January 2, 2020 • 56 mins
Clay Travis asks a question about Jim Harbaugh- what in life is as overrated as Michigan’s average-Jim? The show had some fun with their answers and Clay brings in Dr. Chao to help answer the questions about Tua and what his future looks like and the Dr. gives us all the key NFL injuries going into Wild Card Weekend! Plus, Clay gives major props to David Stern (RIP).
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We're talking about the fact that in a relatively short
period of time, p J. Fleck has taken Minnesota from
absolute football afterthought, Minnesota in college football was a total
backwater in terms of how much people would talk about Minnesota.
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In fact, I bet the amount of time that Minnesota
football has received on national sports talk or radio is
one one. This probably even I compared to how much
people talk about Michigan. P J. Fleck takes over at
Minnesota and he has completely turned around everything there and
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let me like his head coaching tenure because I do
think this is interesting. For instance, Matt Rule took over
an eleven lost team two years ago and took him
to eleven wins. Now they lost last night in the
Sugar Bowl, but that's a pretty incredible trajectory overall. But
if you look at Minnesota, P. J. Fleck was five
and seven in year one, two and seven in the
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Big Ten. By year three, he's eleven in two, seven
and two in the Big Ten. He has taken Minnesota
to eleven wins faster than Jim Harbaugh has been able
to get Michigan to eleven wins. And in the process,
I think that he has made Minnesota football relevant in
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a way they never have been four So row the boat, indeed,
But within that context, what is more overrated than Jim Harbaugh?
I want to open it up to the crew, all right,
sports or otherwise. Also, you can tweet me at Clay
Travis and let me know. I believe firmly that Jim
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Harbaugh is the most overrated coach in the history of
college football. Now doesn't mean he's bad because some people
out there like, well, he's still done. You know, he's
still won eight or nine games or whatever you want
to say. Okay, fine, he has. But relative to expectations,
Jim Harbaugh is the most overrated coach in the history
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of college football. And I don't think there's a close second.
Because he was supposed to be Nick Saban. He was
supposed to be Pete Carroll at USC, he was supposed
to be Urban Meyer. And at best he's been a
little bit above average for Michigan head coaches is over
the last hundred years. That's really what he's done, a
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little bit better than average for Michigan head coaches over
the last hundred years of football in the big house
and in an arbor. So what in life is comparable there?
And by the way, if you don't think Nick Saban
deciding to score late against Jim Harbaugh wasn't a hundred
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percent a response to Jim Harbaugh calling out the SEC
and uh Nick Saban in Alabama, then you don't have
a very good memory. Because Nick Saban is like an elephant.
He never forgets anything. He's like your wife never forgets anything.
You do something wrong, it's gonna get brought up a
decade from now, Like I thought we got over. No, No,
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she didn't forget. She forgave, but she didn't forget. It's
a big difference between forgiveness and forgetfulness. And if you
want to know the difference, just think about your wife.
Uh So, in that scenario, can anybody think of anything
in the world, sports, pop culture, you name it, what
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is more overrated than Jim Harbaugh. Danny G. Do you
know anything in the world right now that is more
overrated than Jim Harbaugh. Yeah. A friend of mine we
were kind of arguing about this the other day because
she was telling me, Oh, you gotta watch the Kevin
Hart special on Netflix. I like him, but I think
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he's way overrated. Like I was a comedian. Yeah, I
like him in Ju MANGI. He's awesome in that movie,
but like the comedy with Will Ferrell and some of
the other comedies that I thought were so cheesy and
that I wasted my money on. And I even went
and saw him do a stand up performance like two
years ago, and I thought, well, maybe he'll be funnier
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in person, but I really didn't laugh that much the
night we were there watching him. I don't know. I
like him, but I think he's way overrated. Because we
had to stand the line to see him. I think
we were in line for like an hour and a half. Yeah,
and I was like, man, it just felt like way
too much effort for what I got back. Kind of
like what you're saying about Hardball no, I can see that.
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I mean, Kevin Hart is probably now I think the
differences with comedians it's hard. It doesn't by the way,
you don't have to be able to prove it. Like
you can prove I think statistically that if you looked
at amount of time spent discussing versus results, I think
you could prove that Jim Harbaugh is like, statistically the
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most overrated coach in college football history. I don't know
what data you could point to to say Kevin Hart
is the most overrated comedian of his era, but certainly
that's a strong argument I could see it. I'm not
an expert on uh, you know, comedians, and I don't
know how you quantify which comedians are good and which
ones are average and which ones are bad and all
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those things. And obviously Kevin Hart has a huge fan base.
But that's an interesting angle there, dub what would you say,
what is the Jim Harbaugh of insert here? Like, what
do you find to be as overrated as Jim Harbaugh? Well,
I was thinking first in the sports world, and the
first thing that came up with Steve Kerr. Okay, I
understand he's got the titles, but if you gave me
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Durant Curry Clay Thompson. I'm fairly confident I could win
at least sixty games with that. So if the drop
off between you know, one of the top coaches in
the NBA and me is eight to ten games, I
think that's an issue. But in in other aspects of life,
I'm not a big I'm not a huge on popcorn,
to be honest with you, I know it's convenient movie time,
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snack corn is overrated in your mind, and well, if
there's if there's if there's a food group that you
have to lather in butter to make it edible. To me,
that's just overrated. To me, it's more of butter. Well
I no, no, that's what I like the butter, but
I have to douse it in butter for me to
even enjoy, and then your fingers are getting hands get
all greasy. To me, I'm fine without the popcorn. Popcorn
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overrated is an interesting angle, Eddie. What would you say,
what is the Jim Harbaugh of sports or otherwise in
your mind? Well, I I gotta say watching the festivities
there in Times Square, I thought that looks really. I mean,
I know everyone seems to be having a good time
and that they're all Jim, I wouldn't You couldn't pay
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me to go do that. That looks standing in the
call for hours. God knows where you go to the bathroom.
I just thought, I have no do that. And the
and the TV shows, by the way, we're awful to that,
the guy, the people that are there, and these musical facts.
It's terrible. I went to Times Square when we flipped
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from nine to two thousand, and uh Now, it was
so crowded then that and I was in college at
the time, but to two thousand, you couldn't get like,
I don't know what the normal crowd is for Times Square,
but it was, you know, orders of magnitude on that level.
And that was all so when everybody had the Y
two K fears. So and for some of you out there,
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you're so young you don't even remember the fears of
Y two K. But the idea was that when we
flipped to two thousand, because computers had been programmed only
based on two decades, I don't I never really understood
the whole Y two K fear, but but essentially it
was like the computers were gonna flip and they were
gonna think it was nine all over again and nothing
was gonna work. And so if you grew up around then,
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like Y two K was a massive terror, right like
everybody was was was just convinced that the world was
gonna come to an end and then nothing happened. It
was it was may maybe the most overhyped calamity of
all time in human history because nothing really happened at all.
Uh And so I thought that was in and of
itself like the danger zone with it, but it was
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so crowded in Times Square that we couldn't get there
until you know, they keep dropping that. That's one of
the lessons. I didn't know this at the time. I mean,
it makes sense, but they keep dropping the apple, the
ball there or whatever you want to say, every hour.
So they do it for East Coast New Year, which
makes sense because that's where New York City is. But
then they'll do it for Central time zone, they'll do
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it for the Mountain time zone, and they'll do it
for the West coast. So by the time they dropped
the ball for the West Coast, we had made it
there to be able to see it, but that was
three am. But yeah, I'm with you guys, it does
seem utterly like and and I always think about it
now from a parent perspective, and I'm like, I some
of these people take their kids, and I can't think
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of anything more miserable than being in the cold with
your kids, who inevitably, as soon as you get a
good spot, are gonna have to go to the bathroom,
and then you're gonna spend like two hours trying to
get them to the bathroom. Uh and so yeah, that
that seems to me to be utterly awful. I can
definitely see that as being overrated. And there are I
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don't think we can play the audio. But you know,
they banned me on CNN for saying that I that
I support the First Amendment. Boot it was like, I'm
not allowed on the entire network anymore. And then I
wake up on and I wasn't watching, like I also
don't watch like the stories, uh you know, like the
ball dropping or whatever else. But CNN had Anderson Cooper
and uh oh, who's the guy from uh Andy Cohen,
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the Bravo guy. They had them on and they were
talking about all sorts of ridiculous stuff. We can't even
play what they were saying on CNN the deal with
body parts, I can't I can't be on because I
talked about how I like boobs and that one is
that one's utterly ridiculous. All right, what about you? Uh?
And but maybe we can cut it. You can look,
I tweeted it out, Danny. I don't even know if
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it's possible for you to grab that and cut it
so that we can play it without committing SCC violations
on radio? What about you, Roberto, what would you say
is the Jim Harbaugh of any other aspect of life? So,
by the way, the nominee so far are Jim Harbaugh
is like standing in outside watching the ball drop on
New Year's Eve. He is popcorn in the words of
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Dub and he is Kevin Hart comedian in the words
of Danny G. Last Week goes off. And I like
to catch up on movies I've never seen before. So
I'd like to go on the IMDb and see you
on the top rated Hunter movies or whatever. I'd always
see that Apocalypse, Uh, what was it? Apocalypse now? Apocalypse now?
It's always done there. I'm all right, I mean, let
me try to watch this movie. I watched it. Man
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I'm always terrible to be done a top one hundred
list of greatest movies, it's it's the greatest, and it's
the top rated war movie. I believe that's on that list.
So Apocalypse not not overrated. Definitely. It's been a long time,
so I saw Apocalypse now, and the only thing I
really remember is that Robert Daval says, uh, you know,
there's uh, what's the uh oh the stuff did you drop?
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Like it's something in the morning smells like napalm in
the morning. That's the wine. It's obviously the most famous
from his character is great in the movie, but he's
only on there a short time, and then Martin Brown
was only in there for like thirty minutes, so it's like,
come on man. Uh yeah. I was thinking about this too, well,
those are good, those are good nominee ease, and I
was trying to think of the world of sports, and
I'm not even sure that there is a guy or
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girl in the world of sports who is the Jim
Harbaugh equivalent. I think you would probably have to go
to somebody who is really good but has never won
a championship. But the thing is, if you're really good
and you've never won a championship, you're still really good.
So that's a criticism like oh, maybe you can't win
the big game, or you're the best that's never won
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a championship. That that doesn't really apply because I think
that hardball isn't really good. So it would be different
if hardball like won ten or eleven games every year
and then Michigan got to the playoffs. Like that would
be like Bob Stoops. If Bob Stoops had never won
a championship before, he has won one, but you point
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to him and say, well, Oklahoma can get there, but
they can't really win a championship. Or you could maybe
say in the NFL, for instance, like Andy Reid, Andy
Reid would be oh he's the best who's never won
a championship. I would say in the coaching you know,
super Bowl realm. But it doesn't mean that Andy Reid
is not still really good. And I can't even conceive
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like this is like someone who's not actually that good.
That we've all been sold a bill of goods to
believe that they are good. And that's why I say
these are relatively rare. Like your guy's suggestions, Kevin hard
is an interesting one it's harder to quantify, Like what
makes a really good comedian popcorn is just like an
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individual preference. Uh, And you know not standing outside for
New Year's is just an individual preference. Like those are choices.
But I I'm genuine like, this is to me a
really interesting question because I don't think there are that
many easy analogies to draw than what is more when
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we got a ton by the way, I'll read you
some of the some of the guys on Twitter who
were weighing in, what's more overrated than Jim Harbaugh in
an out Burger? All right? Again a personal preference avocados? Uh,
the most overrated movie is The Irishman the Beatles. Uh.
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Somebody's saying like highly overrated, blasphe me the Dodger Dog.
I will say that Dodger dog is up there, Dodger Dog.
I I gotta tell you this. I went to I've
been hearing about Dodger dogs my entire life. Oh, the
Dodger Dog is great. The Dodger Dog is phenomenal. It
was the most unfulfilling high expectation meal maybe that I've
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ever had. You didn't have the right one. That's two different.
Was like it was gross. It was like I looked
at it and and I was like, this doesn't even
look good. And then I dove in and it was
a disaster. Like it was utterly atrocious. L A street
dog was that at the odd that's that's it was
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in the corner in late night and the night in
l A. Yeah, they grill outside arenas and stadiums in
southern California at so yeah, I've had a lot of
like and that was one of the great things about
going to UH School in Washington, d C. Was the
street vendors. Like, right, there's always food. And there used
to be a guy back in the day who would
His name was Maniche I think if I remember correctly,
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and Manuch Manus. Manus would set up directly across from
the GW dorms and he was a hot dog vendor.
But he would only work from like eleven o'clock to
three am. So, you know, like most hot dog vendors
are like out like I'll you know, feed you, you know,
during the day or whatever. This guy was only there
for late night, um late night college kids. And so
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you would look out your dorm and you'd see him
there and you'd be like this is amazing because nothing
else is open at the time. I know the d
C now is a lot more active than it was
back then, But when I was in college in d C,
it was crazy because relatively few people lived in many
different parts of d C at the time. Now a
lot more people have moved back in, But d C
was very much, at least Northwest DC where George Washington
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University where I went, was very much of a commuter town,
and so people would come into work and then they
would bail and like there were no restaurants. Uh, you know,
it wasn't like the community that it is today. Like
if you walk around all over d C now, it's
very much of a twenty four hour community everywhere. It
didn't really have that vibe in many parts of the
city when I was there at the turn, you know,
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ninety seven to two thousand one. So this guy was
kind of like your your saviors. So yeah, I can
understand why that could be particularly enjoyable. Um, but uh,
but yeah, the hardball thing is just to me, one
of the off the charts unbelievably ridiculous, over hyped scenarios.
All right, when we come back, I want to jump
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into this to a decision which is going to be
made on Monday. Should he stay or should he go? Now? Uh,
we will discuss men. We can play that music when
we come back. I'll give you the pros and cons
and tell you what I would be thinking if I
worked too and had to make this choice. Uh, and
we'll also talk about that, by the way, with UH
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with Dr David Chow. Be sure to catch live editions
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and the I Heart Radio app. She turns me out
of the blue and goes, He's not gonna ask me
who has the biggest Hollywood z. Okay, that's what and
just said it. Okay, that was CNN. We play that again.
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You can kind of hear what was said Anderson Cooper
and Uh, what's the guy's name, Andy Cohen? I keep
forgetting his name. Uh, they are on CNN for the broadcast.
Can't say boobs on CNN your band for life. If
you say that, you like the First Amendment in boobs,
but you can say this, He's not gonna ask me
who has the biggest Hollywood z Okay, that's what she
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and just said it. Okay, there you go, CNN, they
didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.
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Slash cash back match UM a couple of stories that
we are tracking. David Stern uh seventy seven years old,
thirty year commissioner of the n B a Uh. The
NBA is struggling right now, I think because they don't
have the stewardship of somebody like David Stern. And this
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is an interesting point. I'm gonna talk about to down
to start the top of our three. So if you
want to hear my take on two U, we'll start
it off here in a few minutes. But I do
want to mention to David Stern angle there are a
lot of smart people in the world. One of the
challenges with I think being a smart person, which I
don't think there's any doubt that David Stern was super smart.
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Was being smart enough to understand what normal people think.
And this is something that I think gets lost very often.
I want you to follow me down the road here
before with me a little bit. Think of the smartest
person that you know, whoever that person may be in
your life. Maybe it's one of your family members, maybe
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it's somebody that you work with, maybe it's somebody that
you went to school with. Whoever, the absolute smartest person
you know is how often is that person also incredibly
good at thinking like a normal person. This is this
is something that that I contemplate a lot. For instance,
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there are people, oftentimes attorneys who are trial lawyers are brilliant,
but they're brilliant and they're able to talk in a
way that everybody can understand. They're not like like, if
you sat down with Albert Einstein, and I don't know
whether this would be the case or not, but if
you asked him to explain the theory of relativity to you,
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it's probably the case that he is so well versed
in the theory of relativity that he would have trouble
explaining it. So that an average guy or girl could
really understand it. Now, maybe he also had in an
a gift Einstein to be able to speak to normal
people in a way that they could understand him too.
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What I would say about David Stern is he understood
what the NBA needed to do to appeal to Middle America,
and that was his gift. He was such a brilliant
business person that he was able to craft a sport
which was a niche sport at the time, the n
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b A, and make it appeal to everybody. And the
way that he did that essentially was in a way
to kind of sum it up, NBA action is fantastic.
If you are around my age or your older maybe
you're a little bit younger too, you will remember when
the NBA was at its peak. Do you know what
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their number one calling card was? NBA Action is fantastic.
That was what they're advertising to the entire nation. Michael Jordan's,
Reggie Miller, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird. NBA action is fantastic.
And it was, you know, like a collection of great passes,
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great dunks, exciting things that were designed to appeal to fans. Right.
They would emphasize the fan and fantastic and show people
reacting to the great athletic achievements on the court. I
think that Adam Silver is smart, but I think he's
maybe too smart. He doesn't understand how to appeal to
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the common fan. He's to New York, he's to l A.
He's losing touch with Middle America. And I think that's
always a big challenge. When you have success, you get
sucked into that elite stratosphere. And I think that Adam
Silvers of the world are sitting around saying, Oh, man,
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we've got to ban the word owner because it's racially insensitive.
Oh we gotta pull our All Star Game out of
North Carolina because the transgender bathroom bill. I don't think
those are decisions that David Stern would have made. I
really don't. I think David Stern would have set back
and been able to think about what Middle America, who
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is ultimately the lynchpin of his brand, would think about
those responses and understand that being popular in Park Avenue
in New York or Hollywood in l A is not
necessarily gonna play well in Peoria. It's not necessarily something
that people in Birmingham, Alabama, and Louisville, Kentucky are gonna
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respond to an a good way. And I think that
is David Stern's unique gift. He was able to appeal
to everyone, the elites, the common man, and he lifted
to the NBA two heights that it's never been close
to again. Now people want to talk about on Twitter like, oh,
the NBA is gonna challenge the NFL, which is laughable.
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In the late nineties, the NBA ratings with Jordan and
everybody else when they're trying to appeal to everyone, were
infinitely higher than they are today, and they were infinitely
closer to the to the NFL. And that was, I
believe because of David Stern's unique gift to appeal to
both the elites and the common man simultaneously to make smart,
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incredibly brilliant decisions for his league. Rest in peace, David Stern,
We come back, What should two do? On OutKick? Be
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. January one,
now come and gone. Welcome into twenty twenty, a new decade.
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And a new decade got rolling like a lot of
the past decade was with SEC mostly dominance, Big twelve mediocre. Uh.
The four games that were going on yesterday, I watched
all four of them, got takeaways for all of them.
I want to reiterate my point, which I do think
makes sense. Why would we not start the Outback Bowl
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at eleven a m Eastern and let instead of playing
that game simultaneously with the Citrus Bowl. I miss January one,
where almost as soon as you get out of bed,
there games going. So I would, if I were the schedule,
or start the Outback Bowl at eleven a m. Eastern
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and then when you start the Citrus Bowl at one pm,
then you're able to sit back and watch the first
half at least of the Outback Bowl before the Citrus
Bowl even gets going. But what are we learned? Out
Back Bowl? Props to p J. Fleck. He's everything that
Jim Harbaugh was supposed to be. A guy who arrives
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in the Big ten and over delivers. P J. Fleck
eleven wins in year three. He took over a program
that was in the dumps, went five and seven in
year one, bounced back up. I believe to eight and five,
seven and six in year two, and then in year
three everything coming together for him. Eleven wins for the
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Auburn Tigers. Auburn is now oh and three under gust
miles On in Bowl games after they beat Alabama. And
to me, this is the challenge with Auburn in general
and why the Auburn fan base is so bipolar when
it comes to gust miles On because there's zero consistency
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in that program. Credit to Minnesota for whipping Auburn's ass,
but for Auburn to show up and play like they
did all the time, this is just there's so many
swings from one extreme to the other from the Auburn
Tigers that it is uh, it's it's tough to watch
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in all honesty if you're an Auburn fan with what
you're paying gust miles On. So big win for Minnesota
Alabama and Nick Saban took it to Jim Harbaugh. We
had some fun an hour too, talking about what is
the Jim Harbaugh of other parts of life, sports, pop culture?
What is as overrated as Jim Harbaugh is, who came
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in like a hurricane. He was supposed to be urban Meyer.
He was supposed to be Nick Saban, and instead he's
been a slightly above average Michigan football coach over the
past hundred years. P J. Fleck gets to eleven wins faster.
Crazy stat for you, Rutgers has more Bowl wins in
the last twenty years than Michigan does. Michigan has now
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lost four straight Bowl games under Jim our Ball. Pretty
much every time there's an opportunity to win a big game,
Michigan falls flat on its face and hardball fails and
Nick Saban punched in a touchdown late, I think because
Harbaugh had called out Saban in Alabama and the SEC
over recruiting issues and as a result, Alabama ninth straight
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season of eleven wins or more. Big time performance by
Jerry Judy on his way out to being what I
expect will be the number one overall receiver drafted UH
in the draft here in a few months, and a
big time performance by Alabama in the second half they
held Michigan scoreless. The Tide were down sixteen to fourteen,
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UH and then got rolling and UH and took control
of that game in the Rose Bowl. Absolutely no way
that Wisconsin should have lost that football game. They were
in control almost the entire way defensively, other than Justin
Herbert being able to run the ball, they almost shut
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down Oregon. And to have that game you fumble a
punt and give up a touchdown there to allow Oregon
to win that one. When I felt like and you
probably felt like it as well, Wisconsin was in control
throughout is wild. Oregon only put up two hundred and
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four total yards. Now, it's not like Wisconsin was a
house on fire, but Oregon ran the ball thirty times
for sixty six total yards and that includes one thirty
yards scramble uh design run by Justin Herbert to give
Oregon lead. UH. This was I think a really tough
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one to where if you are a Wisconsin Badger fan,
they had possession in this game for nearly forty minutes
UH compared to twenty minutes for Oregon. Wild wacky game,
a lot of fun to watch. Uh. And then in
the Sugar Bowl, Georgia has a ton of players who
did not show up UH and want to play because
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they didn't want to hurt their draft stock, and they
went out in the first half and just put this
game away. Credit to Baylor for making some plays in
the second half. I hope that their quarterback ends up. Okay,
he got to look like a pretty bad concussion with
about six minutes eight minutes ago in that game, something
along those lines in the fourth quarter. But Georgia twelve
win for the Bulldogs and Jake from was fantastic, especially
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in the first half. Nobody could cover George Pickens who
had eleven catches and Georgia big time when uh certainly,
especially considering how poorly they played last year in the
Sugar Bowl against Texas, and also on top of that,
how many of their top players were sitting out and
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they still found a way to pretty much dominate against
Matt Rule and Baylor. And now the question will be
what will be the next step for Matt Rule. Will
he interview with the Giants? Will he consider moving on
to the NFL. He's already turned down interview opportunity with
the Cleveland Browns. But what's the next step now for
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Matt Rule? Will he stay at Baylor or will he
move into the NFL coaching ranks. I believe both the
Carolina Panthers and the Washington Sorry and the Giants want
to interview him. All Right, that was all a big
part of the January first Bowl games. Here's the other
story that was out there. Greg McElroy said, Remember Greg
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McElroy won a National championship Heisman Trophy winning uh, sorry,
national championship winning quarterback did not win a Heisman trophy.
Lost to Heisman Trophy winning quarterback Cam Newton in his
senior year in the Camback Game, which was one of
those games where Gus malls On figures out how to
win a really big one and then loses the next one. Now,
at least the next one, uh that he lost in
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the bowl game was against UH Florida's date. But that
in and of itself, and he was the offensive coordinator
there as opposed to the head coach. But that's why
Gus malls On really ended up Auburn's coach was because
of that incredible season he had as the offensive coordinator
for Cam Newton. But Greg McElroy says that he expects
for to and talk about Looa to come back to
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Alabama because of his health status, and that's a pretty reasoned,
uh well connected opinion, and to us shortly after that
sends out a tweet saying he will be making his
announcement on January six, and so that's Monday. So on Monday,
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to Ah will have a press conference or will in
some way let everyone know whether he is elected to
enter the NFL Draft or not. He was on the
sideline if you were watching the game. He's still on
a crutch trying to get back to to being healthy.
I think he's gonna come back. I think that to
Uh is gonna turned to Alabama. That's my prediction right
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now now. On Twitter, I gave you guys an opportunity
to tell me what you thought he should do, to
vote whether or not he should come back, and a
huge percentage of you said that he should go PRO.
Thirty five thousand of you voted. Six percent of you
said to I should go PRO. Thirty three percent of
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you said that too, I should stay at Bama. Here's
the interesting decision that he has. And I'm gonna bring
in the crew and see what you guys think if
I were to his dad, because that's the way I
kind of think. Now that I've got three boys, I
got an eleven year old and nine year old, and
the five year old I've moved on from the I'm
gonna think about this from the athlete perspective too. Now
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A lot of times I think about it from the
dad perspective, where you're trying to give advice to your
kid and you're weighing the pros and cons, and you
know the kid's gonna take you. I would tell to
it to go pro if I were his dad right now.
And granted I don't have full access to his medical
record and everything else, but I believe that the quarterback
position is so incredibly important in the NFL that there
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is a team that will take a risk even if
his medical history is not ideal. In the first round,
and probably within the first twenty picks, I think to
H will be drafted and go into the NFL. Then
he especially the later he's drafted in the first round,
the less he's going to actually have to play right,
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because it's likely that somebody will have a quarterback they
might be able to use. Then he can continue to
rehab except get paid millions of dollars to do it.
You make most of your money in the NFL if
you're going to on your second contract, So the faster
you can get to your second contract, the better it
is for you. If to what comes back and he
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plays fabulously well, then he would be a top five
i've picked. If he goes pro now, I still think
he'll go in the top twenty. If he comes back
and he doesn't play well, or even worse, he gets
injured again, then I think the chances of him being
a first round pick almost go to zero, and it's
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possible he falls into the second or third day because
of concerns about his health. I think you have to
take the guaranteed money right now, this point in time.
If I am advising him and I am to his
dad and I am sitting around looking at all these details,
and he asked me for my opinion, I say, you
gotta go pro. You got to think about this like
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a business perspective. It's not ideal that you got hurt.
It likely knocked you out of the top three or
four and pushes you maybe into the teens. But I
still think the quarterback position, even if you have issues
with your health, is so important in the NFL that
somebody will take a chance on you. And by the way,
being drafted later in the first round oftentimes is an
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overall benefit. It's less money, but it's oftentimes an overall
benefit to your long range career because you go to
a better, more stable franchise and are better able to
have success. I e. Think about the difference between Baker
Mayfield going number one overall to the awful Cleveland Brown
organization versus Lamar Jackson going late in the first round
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to the Baltimore Ravens, who were able to build a
successful team around him and build around his talents. I
don't think this is difficult at all. I think this
is an easy decision to me too, I should go pro.
What about you, Uh, Danny G What would you say? Well,
you know how much I love the NFL draft. In fact,
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all day yesterday I was scouting for my favorite team,
the Raiders, and I'm hoping Jerry Judy gets drafted by Vegas.
That would be amazing as far as two agoes, You're
right about it being a blessing in disguise that he
could go late in the first round. I've looked at
just about every mock draft that's already come out, and
a couple of them have the Saints taking to A
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at the end of the first round, basically replacing Teddy Bridgewater.
That puts to A in a very good situation that
would that's a right. I mean, and even though you
might be going late in the first round, where you
go matters to such an extent that to me, that's
a that's a great example. If you can go in
the first round, I think you have to go. Uh
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And and look, I understand that to a and some
people out there gonna say money is not everything, and
I understand that argument, right. I have taken at times
less money to do jobs that I wanted to do more.
In fact, when I left practicing law, people thought I
was crazy to end up doing this profession. But ultimately,
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when all is said and done, to has to be
a businessman in the way that he analyzes his decision making,
and if it's purely a business decision, I don't think
this is difficult. I think you have to go pro.
What about you, dub I can't even believe this is
a real conversation because to me it's so obvious and clear,
especially with his injury history at Alabama. I'm assuming that
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with you know, modern science and medical professionals, that he's
gonna come back pretty much a percent. And I don't
I don't think he's gonna drop that much in the
draft I still think there's gonna be a team take
him top ten. No, in my mind that because he's
such a uh generational talent. In my opinion, I think
there's definitely gonna be a team either in the top
ten or a team outside the top ten that trades up,
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kind of similar to what the Chiefs did with Patrick
Mahomes to come up and take him, because you know,
all season we just kind of assumed he was gonna
be number one overall. And yes, it was a serious injury.
But if he comes back and you can get him
at eight or nine or ten or eleven, I don't
see why on earth you wouldn't do that. And as
far as the business decision, it shouldn't even be a
decision because it's it's his future. And if he goes
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back to Alabama and you know, has another very serious
injury like the one he just had, that he just
doesn't play well because he's not recovered, A yeah, to me,
this is a no brainer and an obvious choice to make.
So both of us so far, all three of us
so far have said he should go pro. What do
you say, Eddie? I completely agree with what everyone else
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is saying, and for the points that have been pointed out. Um,
it is is more likely that he would return to
school and hurt his draft status that help it. And
as as doub mentioned, if it's another serious injury, maybe
that's his career. So look, it's one thing for a
player who's been completely healthy to come back to school
for another year because he has unfinished business or wants
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to help his team win a national championship. But when
you've had the history of the injuries and you were
going to risk that again, it's just you've worked at
one a national champions correct, correct. So he hasn't done
it's starting the entire season. But he literally threw the
touchdown pass to win a national championship. So and and
he's answered every question about how good he is. To me,
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it's pretty much crazy for him to decide to uh
to to come back to Alabama. I really do think
it is. Yeah, he will be remembered as a national
championship quarterback. I believe. Now, Look, there have been guys
who have come back. Andrew Lack came back, Peyton Manning
came back, uh, Sam Bradford came back, and Tim Tebow.
Although that's a little bit different because we didn't know
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about Tebow's draft stock, but those are four big time
star college football players. So from a college football fan perspective,
I like the idea of to a coming back because
I think it makes college football even more interesting. I
also think from an Alabama fan perspective, there's a big
drop off if if to Ah leaves, I think Alabama
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could go back to just be in a nine or
ten win team. I think that that the Tide are young.
But he's a he's been a you know, he's been
sort of a a racer of issues for Alabama because
their offense has been so good under him, and and
so I do think that would have issues if he
doesn't come back at just being good as opposed to
great and the other thing I would say, like again,
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using Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning or or Sam Bradford
for instance, as an example, those guys were one most
I think Bradford may have had a little bit of
health issues. Liner, by the way, came back as well
Matt Liner at a usc um. Those guys all were
not really dealing with major injury issues. In other words,
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that was them just deciding, hey, I'm not ready to
leave college and go pro Yet it was more of
a lifestyle decision and almost all of those situations than
it was a and and and Yes they had the
risk of getting injured and impacting their draft stock, but
two us already had the injury. And I think if
he comes back and he has another injury, remember he's
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not taking a lot of hits, and he's looked pretty brittle.
He's had two different surgeries on his ankles for high
ankle sprains, he's now broken his hip. If he comes
back and he has another injury, I think it's a
fair question to ask. In the NFL, where you get
hit even more, are you really going to be able
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to withstand the rigors of an NFL schedule or is
your body just not built to take all the punishment,
Which is not an indictment on to us. Some people's
bodies just can't handle NFL life. When we come back,
we'll talk with Dr David Chow. He's been in these situations.
What medical advice would he be giving and what does
he anticipate to his expectation expectations being from a health
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status perspective plus lots of health issues. As we get
ready for NFL wild Card weekend, we'll hit those as well.
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the I Heart Radio app dr. First of all, thanks
for getting up earlier with us. Happy New Year, and uh,
I want to go right into this. Uh this to
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a situation. It's gonna be a monster story. He has
announced that he will make his choice about whether to
go pro or return to Alabama on Monday. Purely from
a medical perspective, and I know you don't have access
to his personal uh you know, to try his personal
surgeries or his medical records or anything else. Put into
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perspective for us, what you would anticipate for him over
the next couple of months from a health perspective, Well,
you know, you saw him at the ball game on
a crutch, So it's pretty obvious he's not going to
be ready to work out at the combines if he
decides to turn pro. But then again, most times the
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top clubs don't necessarily work out anyways. But I do
expect that he should be ready to go by this
football season in terms of able to do some things,
and my concerned medically with him after the evascular necrosis
issue and assuming that that does not happen to blood
so issue with a hip dies out. The arthritis is
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the issue, the loss of motion, limited motion and gradual
wear and tear that of the joint that's now accelerated
with this fasher dislocation. That's my medical concern. So if
you were advising him from a perspective of what you
think NFL doctors will be looking at, and I know
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you've looked sometimes at these draft draft picks and and
obviously you were a team doctor for the Chargers, so
you've dealt with a lot of different injuries over time.
Do you think his injury is so significant that there
would be teams that that no one would draft him
in the first round because I think everybody out there
would acknowledge this is a first round quarterback if he is,
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you know, healthy coming into the draft. Do you anticipate
that that this is something where hey, twenty teams take
him off their board and just say we couldn't draft
this guy, Like, what would you anticipate the medical diagnosis
would be the range of opinion for NFL teams. Well,
first of all, if you believe the media reports and
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what his doctors have said. It seems like for sure
he would be drafted in the first round. But you
have to understand all of the medical information that's out
there has come from to A side and to as doctors,
and to a doctors can only release information that to
allows them to release. So if there is a negative report,
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quite sure the patient would say, yeah, you can't say that,
So you get the rosy picture. Now I hope the
rosy pictures what the truth is. But that's what you
don't know until you get to a combined situation and
you actually get hands on exam and to look at
the medical records, which right now no one has except
his own doctors. And so it's a very uh filtered
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or rosy uh information that's been given to the media.
So the real truth will need to be seen. But
I still anticipate that he still could be drafted. Now,
when I started in the NFL, he probably would not
be drafted in the first round, but nowadays I think
he totally would. Now why do I say that, Clay,
Because in the beginning I used to get asked by
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a GM can this guy be our left tackle for
the next decade or more? Right? But by the end,
it was can he get to a first contract? Because
if you look at the long jetty longevity of even
GMS nowadays, it's no longer ten plus years or fifteen years,
it's it's a five year cycle at most. So can
he get through his first contract? And the first rounder
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is five years? So that's why I believe he still
can and would be drafted in the first round. Would
you tell him as a doctor, based on what you
know that it makes more sense, and again you don't
get into what his head is or why he decides
to go or whatnot, but purely from a financial perspective,
given the fact that he could have this arthrit arthritis
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in his hip, and then it's a degenerative condition, and
everybody has a limited number of snaps, whether it's Tom Brady,
you know, play until he's forty two or forty three
years old, or you know the average player who's out
of the league by the time they're thirty. Most people
would do better to get to the NFL as quickly
as they could to maximize their earnings potential. Would that
be what you would advise him, likely if he asked you,
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purely from a medical perspective, what advice you would give him. Yeah,
I mean, obviously I look at the records and then
give himspondest advice, and of course you have to balance
the medical side against his life and what he wants
to do, etcetera. But you know his quote a while back,
money lost, his money lost, and he said that to
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the point of, hey, if I can't get drafted, you know,
twenty four higher, and then he should go back to
college because the money really drops and dips down. Yeah,
that's true. But if he isn't drafted high, now, I mean,
look at the risk if he would take. If he
is injured again, he's really going to drop. And if
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he finishes, fine, he's just put more miles on himself.
And the other thing, you have to think, money lost,
his money lost. If he plays another year at Alabama,
that's money lost. And let's say the other reason to
go pro is to start burning time. Everybody knows that
the second contract is the big money contract is getting
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to the second one, and you know there's a silver
lining and being drafted high in the second round you
only have four years before you get to that second contract. Now,
I'm not thinking he's going to get to the second round. Uh,
barring any surprises medically, but that's kind of what I
would point out, as you say, with limited miles, where
do you want to burn those miles? All right, let's
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go into the NFL and we're talking to Dr David
Chow at Pro Football Doc. Encourage you to go follow
him there. Uh, zach Ertz is probably the most famous
player right now as we get ready for Wild Cars
the weekend that it seems like may not play rib issue.
We don't really know specifically all the details there, But
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what do you anticipate from him? Well, you know, I
wrote the article on two a while back. I wrote
one a second one on Earth's Just Yesterday about why
I am still doubtful that he plays, even though you
hear optimism coming out of Philadelphia. I get that the
Eagles really want him to play and need him their
short pass catchers. I get that zach Ertz is lobbying
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and wants to play. But it's not the rib. It's
the kidney issue. And he says he doesn't feel the
kidney anymore. But normally you don't feel kidney pain in
terms of pain, fibers and what have you. The issue
is re injury. He has a lacerated kidney. And if
you go back in the history of NFL, and I
did this officially through assistant at pro Football dot dot com,
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Taylor did it for me in two thousands fifteen. I
think it was Andrew Luck had a Week nine last
read kidney the team initially said two to six weeks.
Never made it back. Keenan Allen for the Chargers Week
eight in that same year, never made it back. How
do Henry two years later Week fifteen macerated kidney did
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not make it back. Jordan Poyer, a Brown safety at
the time, last rated kidney in October, did not make
it back. Miles Austin of bruise kidney a little bit
different didn't make it back. And uh forgetting one more
right now. But basically they all didn't make it back.
Why because of the risk of re injury to the kidney.
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When it lascerated kidney happens, it's like a watermelon getting
karate choppter dropped on the floor. It's not like a cut.
It sort of explodes a little bit in cracks that
that watermelon gets hit a second time, it really breaks open.
If it becomes a ruptured kidney and you lose a kidney.
Some people would say, so what you can live on
with kidney? Yes, that's absolutely true. But you can't play
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NFL football or contact sports with one kidney because if
you were to lose the second one, you would spend
the life on dialysis. And because of these reasons, unless
it never was a lass rated kidney. It was a
media report that said it was. Unless there's something that
I don't know medically. I don't see how he plays
this weekend, and I don't see how he plays next
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weekend as the Eagles win. I'm talking Dr David Chow.
That is scary, uh indeed, honestly Uh. More positive story,
another big name. It appears the Vikings have tried to
protect Alvin Cook by not playing him the final two
weeks of the regular season. What do you anticipate seeing
from him? How healthy will he be and how impactful
can he be? Thanks for saving me with this question,
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because I started to sound like a negative Nancy there. Well,
I mean it's kind of I mean that that. I mean,
you know, I think sometimes we gloss over legitimate dangers
that people can face from an injury, right, and when
you dive into zach Ert story. I think there are
a lot of people out there kind of wincing as
you worked through the significance of the injury and what
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it could mean to him going forward. Uh. You know
a lot of times we talk about ankles, or we
talk about you know, shoulders or things like that, but
you start talking about kidneys and life changing impact. I mean,
I think that that really is eye opening and sometimes terrifying.
Don't seem to have those same concerns for Dalvin Cook.
But what do we anticipate from him? Well, I anticipate
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Dalvin Cook will be very, very good. First of all,
the timeline for an SC joint spring, you know, he
will have, you know, usually four to six weeks. He
started doing pretty well and he's at that timeline. And
the other reason I say he's going to do fine
is this is what the Vikings seemed to have been
strategizing for. Yes, he had some reaggravations of the of
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the SC joint. Yes he may have injured his left shoulder,
but I think he could have played and finished the
game week fifteen. They chose to sit him. I think
he could have played Week sixteen in Week seventeen, but
they chose to sit him because they were essentially locked
into the succeed. So now that he's got the extra
rest and it really will be three weeks of rest
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that he's gotten extra, I think he's really going to
be fine and suffer no consequences with the sc joint
or shoulder issue and really be a hundred percent And
quite honestly, I think the same thing for Alexander Madison
is backup. Alright. What about some of the secondary issues
for the for the Saints Van Bell Eli Apple, what
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do you anticipate there? Well, you know, lower extremity injuries,
muscle injuries, growing ankles are always tough for dbs, and yeah,
I think that's something to watch. And the something to
watch is can add of Theland finally get back on
track after his hamstring issues off season long and he's
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been back but hasn't gotten back on track. So it's
Adam Theland's hamstring versus a couple of these other defenders
groins and or ankles, and that will be interesting to watch.
Buffalo Houston big storylines. J J. Watt, who is coming
back from I believe as a torn pectoral muscle. Will
Fuller has had all sorts of hamstring issues. He now
has a groin issue. What do you expect from these
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two guys? Well, Will Fuller with the groin on top
of the hamstring, I mean, he probably could play and
be kind of a go route guy as a limited
route tree, but that's kind of what he is a
little bit anyway, So um, I think, uh, wait and see,
but I think he still could play. J. J. Watt
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is obviously going to play at this point in time.
He's been activated in kudos to him in the Texas
for the quick return. But we've talked about this. He's
super human, but he's still human. There's no way he
will be a hundred percent on his strength and he'll
have limited reps. And there was an article out of
Houston talking about it, and we've been talking about it
at the website for weeks now saying, Okay, if he returns,
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he's gonna have some limitation, and some of his limitations
are going to be keeping offensive lineman off of him
from getting hands on him, which is why they're already
saying he's going to be more in the in the
rush and pass game as opposed to the run stopping game.
And then the other thing is it's going to be
harder for him to wrap and tackle on that left
side because of the peck tendon rupture. Look, he's strong,
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his hack J J. Watt is still better than than
most players, but there's no way he's a hundred percent
right now. Okay, what about the Titans New England game.
It looks like a Dory Jackson maybe coming back with
a foot from a foot issue, but Jason mccordy also
has a groin issue for the Patriots, both secondary issues there.
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What else do you see in that game? Well, you know,
the big thing in that game, besides it being a rematch,
You know, everyone talks about Tom Brady's elbow. I don't
think that's the big story. I think the big story
continues to be Julian Edelman and his leftnee patella tendonitis.
If you watch him, and he's listed as the shoulder
injury as well, but if you watch him, he just
doesn't move the same and especially I have yet to
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see him really make a one put one plant cut
off his left leg in weeks and patella tendonitis literally,
you know, lingers so expect him to alter his route
tree in terms of how he runs his routes to
favor that left me and he's nowhere near himself right
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now and that's probably going to be the case for
the rest of the playoffs. Outstanding stuff is always my man.
We'll talk to you next week as we get ready
for Divisional round of the NFL. In the meantime, go
follow at Pro Football Doc Happy New Year when we
come back. Jason Garrett meeting for a third time with
the Dallas Cowboys. Reports are today. What in the world
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is going on with the Cowboys coaching search and their
decision when it comes to Jason Garrett. We'll discuss This
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We're talking about the fact that in a relatively short
period of time, p J. Fleck has taken Minnesota from
absolute football afterthought, Minnesota in college football was a total
backwater in terms of how much people would talk about Minnesota.
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In fact, I bet the amount of time that Minnesota
football has received on national sports talk or radio is
one one. This probably even I compared to how much
people talk about Michigan. P J. Fleck takes over at
Minnesota and he has completely turned around everything there and
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let me like his head coaching tenure because I do
think this is interesting. For instance, Matt Rule took over
an eleven lost team two years ago and took him
to eleven wins. Now they lost last night in the
Sugar Bowl, but that's a pretty incredible trajectory overall. But
if you look at Minnesota, P. J. Fleck was five
and seven in year one, two and seven in the
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Big Ten. By year three, he's eleven in two, seven
and two in the Big Ten. He has taken Minnesota
to eleven wins faster than Jim Harbaugh has been able
to get Michigan to eleven wins. And in the process,
I think that he has made Minnesota football relevant in
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a way they never have been four So row the boat, indeed,
But within that context, what is more overrated than Jim Harbaugh?
I want to open it up to the crew, all right,
sports or otherwise. Also, you can tweet me at Clay
Travis and let me know. I believe firmly that Jim
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Harbaugh is the most overrated coach in the history of
college football. Now doesn't mean he's bad because some people
out there like, well, he's still done. You know, he's
still won eight or nine games or whatever you want
to say. Okay, fine, he has. But relative to expectations,
Jim Harbaugh is the most overrated coach in the history
(02:42):
of college football. And I don't think there's a close second.
Because he was supposed to be Nick Saban. He was
supposed to be Pete Carroll at USC, he was supposed
to be Urban Meyer. And at best he's been a
little bit above average for Michigan head coaches is over
the last hundred years. That's really what he's done, a
(03:04):
little bit better than average for Michigan head coaches over
the last hundred years of football in the big house
and in an arbor. So what in life is comparable there?
And by the way, if you don't think Nick Saban
deciding to score late against Jim Harbaugh wasn't a hundred
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percent a response to Jim Harbaugh calling out the SEC
and uh Nick Saban in Alabama, then you don't have
a very good memory. Because Nick Saban is like an elephant.
He never forgets anything. He's like your wife never forgets anything.
You do something wrong, it's gonna get brought up a
decade from now, Like I thought we got over. No, No,
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she didn't forget. She forgave, but she didn't forget. It's
a big difference between forgiveness and forgetfulness. And if you
want to know the difference, just think about your wife.
Uh So, in that scenario, can anybody think of anything
in the world, sports, pop culture, you name it, what
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is more overrated than Jim Harbaugh. Danny G. Do you
know anything in the world right now that is more
overrated than Jim Harbaugh. Yeah. A friend of mine we
were kind of arguing about this the other day because
she was telling me, Oh, you gotta watch the Kevin
Hart special on Netflix. I like him, but I think
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he's way overrated. Like I was a comedian. Yeah, I
like him in Ju MANGI. He's awesome in that movie,
but like the comedy with Will Ferrell and some of
the other comedies that I thought were so cheesy and
that I wasted my money on. And I even went
and saw him do a stand up performance like two
years ago, and I thought, well, maybe he'll be funnier
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in person, but I really didn't laugh that much the
night we were there watching him. I don't know. I
like him, but I think he's way overrated. Because we
had to stand the line to see him. I think
we were in line for like an hour and a half. Yeah,
and I was like, man, it just felt like way
too much effort for what I got back. Kind of
like what you're saying about Hardball no, I can see that.
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I mean, Kevin Hart is probably now I think the
differences with comedians it's hard. It doesn't by the way,
you don't have to be able to prove it. Like
you can prove I think statistically that if you looked
at amount of time spent discussing versus results, I think
you could prove that Jim Harbaugh is like, statistically the
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most overrated coach in college football history. I don't know
what data you could point to to say Kevin Hart
is the most overrated comedian of his era, but certainly
that's a strong argument I could see it. I'm not
an expert on uh, you know, comedians, and I don't
know how you quantify which comedians are good and which
ones are average and which ones are bad and all
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those things. And obviously Kevin Hart has a huge fan base.
But that's an interesting angle there, dub what would you say,
what is the Jim Harbaugh of insert here? Like, what
do you find to be as overrated as Jim Harbaugh? Well,
I was thinking first in the sports world, and the
first thing that came up with Steve Kerr. Okay, I
understand he's got the titles, but if you gave me
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Durant Curry Clay Thompson. I'm fairly confident I could win
at least sixty games with that. So if the drop
off between you know, one of the top coaches in
the NBA and me is eight to ten games, I
think that's an issue. But in in other aspects of life,
I'm not a big I'm not a huge on popcorn,
to be honest with you, I know it's convenient movie time,
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snack corn is overrated in your mind, and well, if
there's if there's if there's a food group that you
have to lather in butter to make it edible. To me,
that's just overrated. To me, it's more of butter. Well
I no, no, that's what I like the butter, but
I have to douse it in butter for me to
even enjoy, and then your fingers are getting hands get
all greasy. To me, I'm fine without the popcorn. Popcorn
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overrated is an interesting angle, Eddie. What would you say,
what is the Jim Harbaugh of sports or otherwise in
your mind? Well, I I gotta say watching the festivities
there in Times Square, I thought that looks really. I mean,
I know everyone seems to be having a good time
and that they're all Jim, I wouldn't You couldn't pay
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me to go do that. That looks standing in the
call for hours. God knows where you go to the bathroom.
I just thought, I have no do that. And the
and the TV shows, by the way, we're awful to that,
the guy, the people that are there, and these musical facts.
It's terrible. I went to Times Square when we flipped
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from nine to two thousand, and uh Now, it was
so crowded then that and I was in college at
the time, but to two thousand, you couldn't get like,
I don't know what the normal crowd is for Times Square,
but it was, you know, orders of magnitude on that level.
And that was all so when everybody had the Y
two K fears. So and for some of you out there,
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you're so young you don't even remember the fears of
Y two K. But the idea was that when we
flipped to two thousand, because computers had been programmed only
based on two decades, I don't I never really understood
the whole Y two K fear, but but essentially it
was like the computers were gonna flip and they were
gonna think it was nine all over again and nothing
was gonna work. And so if you grew up around then,
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like Y two K was a massive terror, right like
everybody was was was just convinced that the world was
gonna come to an end and then nothing happened. It
was it was may maybe the most overhyped calamity of
all time in human history because nothing really happened at all.
Uh And so I thought that was in and of
itself like the danger zone with it, but it was
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so crowded in Times Square that we couldn't get there
until you know, they keep dropping that. That's one of
the lessons. I didn't know this at the time. I mean,
it makes sense, but they keep dropping the apple, the
ball there or whatever you want to say, every hour.
So they do it for East Coast New Year, which
makes sense because that's where New York City is. But
then they'll do it for Central time zone, they'll do
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it for the Mountain time zone, and they'll do it
for the West coast. So by the time they dropped
the ball for the West Coast, we had made it
there to be able to see it, but that was
three am. But yeah, I'm with you guys, it does
seem utterly like and and I always think about it
now from a parent perspective, and I'm like, I some
of these people take their kids, and I can't think
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of anything more miserable than being in the cold with
your kids, who inevitably, as soon as you get a
good spot, are gonna have to go to the bathroom,
and then you're gonna spend like two hours trying to
get them to the bathroom. Uh and so yeah, that
that seems to me to be utterly awful. I can
definitely see that as being overrated. And there are I
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don't think we can play the audio. But you know,
they banned me on CNN for saying that I that
I support the First Amendment. Boot it was like, I'm
not allowed on the entire network anymore. And then I
wake up on and I wasn't watching, like I also
don't watch like the stories, uh you know, like the
ball dropping or whatever else. But CNN had Anderson Cooper
and uh oh, who's the guy from uh Andy Cohen,
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the Bravo guy. They had them on and they were
talking about all sorts of ridiculous stuff. We can't even
play what they were saying on CNN the deal with
body parts, I can't I can't be on because I
talked about how I like boobs and that one is
that one's utterly ridiculous. All right, what about you? Uh?
And but maybe we can cut it. You can look,
I tweeted it out, Danny. I don't even know if
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it's possible for you to grab that and cut it
so that we can play it without committing SCC violations
on radio? What about you, Roberto, what would you say
is the Jim Harbaugh of any other aspect of life? So,
by the way, the nominee so far are Jim Harbaugh
is like standing in outside watching the ball drop on
New Year's Eve. He is popcorn in the words of
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Dub and he is Kevin Hart comedian in the words
of Danny G. Last Week goes off. And I like
to catch up on movies I've never seen before. So
I'd like to go on the IMDb and see you
on the top rated Hunter movies or whatever. I'd always
see that Apocalypse, Uh, what was it? Apocalypse now? Apocalypse now?
It's always done there. I'm all right, I mean, let
me try to watch this movie. I watched it. Man
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I'm always terrible to be done a top one hundred
list of greatest movies, it's it's the greatest, and it's
the top rated war movie. I believe that's on that list.
So Apocalypse not not overrated. Definitely. It's been a long time,
so I saw Apocalypse now, and the only thing I
really remember is that Robert Daval says, uh, you know,
there's uh, what's the uh oh the stuff did you drop?
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Like it's something in the morning smells like napalm in
the morning. That's the wine. It's obviously the most famous
from his character is great in the movie, but he's
only on there a short time, and then Martin Brown
was only in there for like thirty minutes, so it's like,
come on man. Uh yeah. I was thinking about this too, well,
those are good, those are good nominee ease, and I
was trying to think of the world of sports, and
I'm not even sure that there is a guy or
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girl in the world of sports who is the Jim
Harbaugh equivalent. I think you would probably have to go
to somebody who is really good but has never won
a championship. But the thing is, if you're really good
and you've never won a championship, you're still really good.
So that's a criticism like oh, maybe you can't win
the big game, or you're the best that's never won
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a championship. That that doesn't really apply because I think
that hardball isn't really good. So it would be different
if hardball like won ten or eleven games every year
and then Michigan got to the playoffs. Like that would
be like Bob Stoops. If Bob Stoops had never won
a championship before, he has won one, but you point
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to him and say, well, Oklahoma can get there, but
they can't really win a championship. Or you could maybe
say in the NFL, for instance, like Andy Reid, Andy
Reid would be oh he's the best who's never won
a championship. I would say in the coaching you know,
super Bowl realm. But it doesn't mean that Andy Reid
is not still really good. And I can't even conceive
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like this is like someone who's not actually that good.
That we've all been sold a bill of goods to
believe that they are good. And that's why I say
these are relatively rare. Like your guy's suggestions, Kevin hard
is an interesting one it's harder to quantify, Like what
makes a really good comedian popcorn is just like an
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individual preference. Uh, And you know not standing outside for
New Year's is just an individual preference. Like those are choices.
But I I'm genuine like, this is to me a
really interesting question because I don't think there are that
many easy analogies to draw than what is more when
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we got a ton by the way, I'll read you
some of the some of the guys on Twitter who
were weighing in, what's more overrated than Jim Harbaugh in
an out Burger? All right? Again a personal preference avocados? Uh,
the most overrated movie is The Irishman the Beatles. Uh.
(14:16):
Somebody's saying like highly overrated, blasphe me the Dodger Dog.
I will say that Dodger dog is up there, Dodger Dog.
I I gotta tell you this. I went to I've
been hearing about Dodger dogs my entire life. Oh, the
Dodger Dog is great. The Dodger Dog is phenomenal. It
was the most unfulfilling high expectation meal maybe that I've
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ever had. You didn't have the right one. That's two different.
Was like it was gross. It was like I looked
at it and and I was like, this doesn't even
look good. And then I dove in and it was
a disaster. Like it was utterly atrocious. L A street
dog was that at the odd that's that's it was
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in the corner in late night and the night in
l A. Yeah, they grill outside arenas and stadiums in
southern California at so yeah, I've had a lot of
like and that was one of the great things about
going to UH School in Washington, d C. Was the
street vendors. Like, right, there's always food. And there used
to be a guy back in the day who would
His name was Maniche I think if I remember correctly,
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and Manuch Manus. Manus would set up directly across from
the GW dorms and he was a hot dog vendor.
But he would only work from like eleven o'clock to
three am. So, you know, like most hot dog vendors
are like out like I'll you know, feed you, you know,
during the day or whatever. This guy was only there
for late night, um late night college kids. And so
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you would look out your dorm and you'd see him
there and you'd be like this is amazing because nothing
else is open at the time. I know the d
C now is a lot more active than it was
back then, But when I was in college in d C,
it was crazy because relatively few people lived in many
different parts of d C at the time. Now a
lot more people have moved back in, But d C
was very much, at least Northwest DC where George Washington
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University where I went, was very much of a commuter town,
and so people would come into work and then they
would bail and like there were no restaurants. Uh, you know,
it wasn't like the community that it is today. Like
if you walk around all over d C now, it's
very much of a twenty four hour community everywhere. It
didn't really have that vibe in many parts of the
city when I was there at the turn, you know,
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ninety seven to two thousand one. So this guy was
kind of like your your saviors. So yeah, I can
understand why that could be particularly enjoyable. Um, but uh,
but yeah, the hardball thing is just to me, one
of the off the charts unbelievably ridiculous, over hyped scenarios.
All right, when we come back, I want to jump
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into this to a decision which is going to be
made on Monday. Should he stay or should he go? Now? Uh,
we will discuss men. We can play that music when
we come back. I'll give you the pros and cons
and tell you what I would be thinking if I
worked too and had to make this choice. Uh, and
we'll also talk about that, by the way, with UH
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with Dr David Chow. Be sure to catch live editions
about kick the Coverage with Clay Travis week days at
six am Eastern three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. She turns me out
of the blue and goes, He's not gonna ask me
who has the biggest Hollywood z. Okay, that's what and
just said it. Okay, that was CNN. We play that again.
(17:28):
You can kind of hear what was said Anderson Cooper
and Uh, what's the guy's name, Andy Cohen? I keep
forgetting his name. Uh, they are on CNN for the broadcast.
Can't say boobs on CNN your band for life. If
you say that, you like the First Amendment in boobs,
but you can say this, He's not gonna ask me
who has the biggest Hollywood z Okay, that's what she
(17:51):
and just said it. Okay, there you go, CNN, they
didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.
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Slash cash back match UM a couple of stories that
we are tracking. David Stern uh seventy seven years old,
thirty year commissioner of the n B a Uh. The
NBA is struggling right now, I think because they don't
have the stewardship of somebody like David Stern. And this
(18:34):
is an interesting point. I'm gonna talk about to down
to start the top of our three. So if you
want to hear my take on two U, we'll start
it off here in a few minutes. But I do
want to mention to David Stern angle there are a
lot of smart people in the world. One of the
challenges with I think being a smart person, which I
don't think there's any doubt that David Stern was super smart.
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Was being smart enough to understand what normal people think.
And this is something that I think gets lost very often.
I want you to follow me down the road here
before with me a little bit. Think of the smartest
person that you know, whoever that person may be in
your life. Maybe it's one of your family members, maybe
(19:16):
it's somebody that you work with, maybe it's somebody that
you went to school with. Whoever, the absolute smartest person
you know is how often is that person also incredibly
good at thinking like a normal person. This is this
is something that that I contemplate a lot. For instance,
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there are people, oftentimes attorneys who are trial lawyers are brilliant,
but they're brilliant and they're able to talk in a
way that everybody can understand. They're not like like, if
you sat down with Albert Einstein, and I don't know
whether this would be the case or not, but if
you asked him to explain the theory of relativity to you,
(20:03):
it's probably the case that he is so well versed
in the theory of relativity that he would have trouble
explaining it. So that an average guy or girl could
really understand it. Now, maybe he also had in an
a gift Einstein to be able to speak to normal
people in a way that they could understand him too.
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What I would say about David Stern is he understood
what the NBA needed to do to appeal to Middle America,
and that was his gift. He was such a brilliant
business person that he was able to craft a sport
which was a niche sport at the time, the n
(20:46):
b A, and make it appeal to everybody. And the
way that he did that essentially was in a way
to kind of sum it up, NBA action is fantastic.
If you are around my age or your older maybe
you're a little bit younger too, you will remember when
the NBA was at its peak. Do you know what
(21:07):
their number one calling card was? NBA Action is fantastic.
That was what they're advertising to the entire nation. Michael Jordan's,
Reggie Miller, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird. NBA action is fantastic.
And it was, you know, like a collection of great passes,
(21:28):
great dunks, exciting things that were designed to appeal to fans. Right.
They would emphasize the fan and fantastic and show people
reacting to the great athletic achievements on the court. I
think that Adam Silver is smart, but I think he's
maybe too smart. He doesn't understand how to appeal to
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the common fan. He's to New York, he's to l A.
He's losing touch with Middle America. And I think that's
always a big challenge. When you have success, you get
sucked into that elite stratosphere. And I think that Adam
Silvers of the world are sitting around saying, Oh, man,
(22:14):
we've got to ban the word owner because it's racially insensitive.
Oh we gotta pull our All Star Game out of
North Carolina because the transgender bathroom bill. I don't think
those are decisions that David Stern would have made. I
really don't. I think David Stern would have set back
and been able to think about what Middle America, who
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is ultimately the lynchpin of his brand, would think about
those responses and understand that being popular in Park Avenue
in New York or Hollywood in l A is not
necessarily gonna play well in Peoria. It's not necessarily something
that people in Birmingham, Alabama, and Louisville, Kentucky are gonna
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respond to an a good way. And I think that
is David Stern's unique gift. He was able to appeal
to everyone, the elites, the common man, and he lifted
to the NBA two heights that it's never been close
to again. Now people want to talk about on Twitter like, oh,
the NBA is gonna challenge the NFL, which is laughable.
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In the late nineties, the NBA ratings with Jordan and
everybody else when they're trying to appeal to everyone, were
infinitely higher than they are today, and they were infinitely
closer to the to the NFL. And that was, I
believe because of David Stern's unique gift to appeal to
both the elites and the common man simultaneously to make smart,
(23:41):
incredibly brilliant decisions for his league. Rest in peace, David Stern,
We come back, What should two do? On OutKick? Be
sure to catch live editions of OutKick the Coverage with
Clay Travis weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. January one,
now come and gone. Welcome into twenty twenty, a new decade.
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And a new decade got rolling like a lot of
the past decade was with SEC mostly dominance, Big twelve mediocre. Uh.
The four games that were going on yesterday, I watched
all four of them, got takeaways for all of them.
I want to reiterate my point, which I do think
makes sense. Why would we not start the Outback Bowl
(24:25):
at eleven a m Eastern and let instead of playing
that game simultaneously with the Citrus Bowl. I miss January one,
where almost as soon as you get out of bed,
there games going. So I would, if I were the schedule,
or start the Outback Bowl at eleven a m. Eastern
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and then when you start the Citrus Bowl at one pm,
then you're able to sit back and watch the first
half at least of the Outback Bowl before the Citrus
Bowl even gets going. But what are we learned? Out
Back Bowl? Props to p J. Fleck. He's everything that
Jim Harbaugh was supposed to be. A guy who arrives
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in the Big ten and over delivers. P J. Fleck
eleven wins in year three. He took over a program
that was in the dumps, went five and seven in
year one, bounced back up. I believe to eight and five,
seven and six in year two, and then in year
three everything coming together for him. Eleven wins for the
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Auburn Tigers. Auburn is now oh and three under gust
miles On in Bowl games after they beat Alabama. And
to me, this is the challenge with Auburn in general
and why the Auburn fan base is so bipolar when
it comes to gust miles On because there's zero consistency
(25:51):
in that program. Credit to Minnesota for whipping Auburn's ass,
but for Auburn to show up and play like they
did all the time, this is just there's so many
swings from one extreme to the other from the Auburn
Tigers that it is uh, it's it's tough to watch
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in all honesty if you're an Auburn fan with what
you're paying gust miles On. So big win for Minnesota
Alabama and Nick Saban took it to Jim Harbaugh. We
had some fun an hour too, talking about what is
the Jim Harbaugh of other parts of life, sports, pop culture?
What is as overrated as Jim Harbaugh is, who came
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in like a hurricane. He was supposed to be urban Meyer.
He was supposed to be Nick Saban, and instead he's
been a slightly above average Michigan football coach over the
past hundred years. P J. Fleck gets to eleven wins faster.
Crazy stat for you, Rutgers has more Bowl wins in
the last twenty years than Michigan does. Michigan has now
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lost four straight Bowl games under Jim our Ball. Pretty
much every time there's an opportunity to win a big game,
Michigan falls flat on its face and hardball fails and
Nick Saban punched in a touchdown late, I think because
Harbaugh had called out Saban in Alabama and the SEC
over recruiting issues and as a result, Alabama ninth straight
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season of eleven wins or more. Big time performance by
Jerry Judy on his way out to being what I
expect will be the number one overall receiver drafted UH
in the draft here in a few months, and a
big time performance by Alabama in the second half they
held Michigan scoreless. The Tide were down sixteen to fourteen,
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UH and then got rolling and UH and took control
of that game in the Rose Bowl. Absolutely no way
that Wisconsin should have lost that football game. They were
in control almost the entire way defensively, other than Justin
Herbert being able to run the ball, they almost shut
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down Oregon. And to have that game you fumble a
punt and give up a touchdown there to allow Oregon
to win that one. When I felt like and you
probably felt like it as well, Wisconsin was in control
throughout is wild. Oregon only put up two hundred and
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four total yards. Now, it's not like Wisconsin was a
house on fire, but Oregon ran the ball thirty times
for sixty six total yards and that includes one thirty
yards scramble uh design run by Justin Herbert to give
Oregon lead. UH. This was I think a really tough
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one to where if you are a Wisconsin Badger fan,
they had possession in this game for nearly forty minutes
UH compared to twenty minutes for Oregon. Wild wacky game,
a lot of fun to watch. Uh. And then in
the Sugar Bowl, Georgia has a ton of players who
did not show up UH and want to play because
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they didn't want to hurt their draft stock, and they
went out in the first half and just put this
game away. Credit to Baylor for making some plays in
the second half. I hope that their quarterback ends up. Okay,
he got to look like a pretty bad concussion with
about six minutes eight minutes ago in that game, something
along those lines in the fourth quarter. But Georgia twelve
win for the Bulldogs and Jake from was fantastic, especially
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in the first half. Nobody could cover George Pickens who
had eleven catches and Georgia big time when uh certainly,
especially considering how poorly they played last year in the
Sugar Bowl against Texas, and also on top of that,
how many of their top players were sitting out and
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they still found a way to pretty much dominate against
Matt Rule and Baylor. And now the question will be
what will be the next step for Matt Rule. Will
he interview with the Giants? Will he consider moving on
to the NFL. He's already turned down interview opportunity with
the Cleveland Browns. But what's the next step now for
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Matt Rule? Will he stay at Baylor or will he
move into the NFL coaching ranks. I believe both the
Carolina Panthers and the Washington Sorry and the Giants want
to interview him. All Right, that was all a big
part of the January first Bowl games. Here's the other
story that was out there. Greg McElroy said, Remember Greg
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McElroy won a National championship Heisman Trophy winning uh, sorry,
national championship winning quarterback did not win a Heisman trophy.
Lost to Heisman Trophy winning quarterback Cam Newton in his
senior year in the Camback Game, which was one of
those games where Gus malls On figures out how to
win a really big one and then loses the next one. Now,
at least the next one, uh that he lost in
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the bowl game was against UH Florida's date. But that
in and of itself, and he was the offensive coordinator
there as opposed to the head coach. But that's why
Gus malls On really ended up Auburn's coach was because
of that incredible season he had as the offensive coordinator
for Cam Newton. But Greg McElroy says that he expects
for to and talk about Looa to come back to
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Alabama because of his health status, and that's a pretty reasoned,
uh well connected opinion, and to us shortly after that
sends out a tweet saying he will be making his
announcement on January six, and so that's Monday. So on Monday,
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to Ah will have a press conference or will in
some way let everyone know whether he is elected to
enter the NFL Draft or not. He was on the
sideline if you were watching the game. He's still on
a crutch trying to get back to to being healthy.
I think he's gonna come back. I think that to
Uh is gonna turned to Alabama. That's my prediction right
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now now. On Twitter, I gave you guys an opportunity
to tell me what you thought he should do, to
vote whether or not he should come back, and a
huge percentage of you said that he should go PRO.
Thirty five thousand of you voted. Six percent of you
said to I should go PRO. Thirty three percent of
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you said that too, I should stay at Bama. Here's
the interesting decision that he has. And I'm gonna bring
in the crew and see what you guys think if
I were to his dad, because that's the way I
kind of think. Now that I've got three boys, I
got an eleven year old and nine year old, and
the five year old I've moved on from the I'm
gonna think about this from the athlete perspective too. Now
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A lot of times I think about it from the
dad perspective, where you're trying to give advice to your
kid and you're weighing the pros and cons, and you
know the kid's gonna take you. I would tell to
it to go pro if I were his dad right now.
And granted I don't have full access to his medical
record and everything else, but I believe that the quarterback
position is so incredibly important in the NFL that there
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is a team that will take a risk even if
his medical history is not ideal. In the first round,
and probably within the first twenty picks, I think to
H will be drafted and go into the NFL. Then
he especially the later he's drafted in the first round,
the less he's going to actually have to play right,
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because it's likely that somebody will have a quarterback they
might be able to use. Then he can continue to
rehab except get paid millions of dollars to do it.
You make most of your money in the NFL if
you're going to on your second contract, So the faster
you can get to your second contract, the better it
is for you. If to what comes back and he
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plays fabulously well, then he would be a top five
i've picked. If he goes pro now, I still think
he'll go in the top twenty. If he comes back
and he doesn't play well, or even worse, he gets
injured again, then I think the chances of him being
a first round pick almost go to zero, and it's
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possible he falls into the second or third day because
of concerns about his health. I think you have to
take the guaranteed money right now, this point in time.
If I am advising him and I am to his
dad and I am sitting around looking at all these details,
and he asked me for my opinion, I say, you
gotta go pro. You got to think about this like
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a business perspective. It's not ideal that you got hurt.
It likely knocked you out of the top three or
four and pushes you maybe into the teens. But I
still think the quarterback position, even if you have issues
with your health, is so important in the NFL that
somebody will take a chance on you. And by the way,
being drafted later in the first round oftentimes is an
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overall benefit. It's less money, but it's oftentimes an overall
benefit to your long range career because you go to
a better, more stable franchise and are better able to
have success. I e. Think about the difference between Baker
Mayfield going number one overall to the awful Cleveland Brown
organization versus Lamar Jackson going late in the first round
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to the Baltimore Ravens, who were able to build a
successful team around him and build around his talents. I
don't think this is difficult at all. I think this
is an easy decision to me too, I should go pro.
What about you, Uh, Danny G What would you say? Well,
you know how much I love the NFL draft. In fact,
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all day yesterday I was scouting for my favorite team,
the Raiders, and I'm hoping Jerry Judy gets drafted by Vegas.
That would be amazing as far as two agoes, You're
right about it being a blessing in disguise that he
could go late in the first round. I've looked at
just about every mock draft that's already come out, and
a couple of them have the Saints taking to A
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at the end of the first round, basically replacing Teddy Bridgewater.
That puts to A in a very good situation that
would that's a right. I mean, and even though you
might be going late in the first round, where you
go matters to such an extent that to me, that's
a that's a great example. If you can go in
the first round, I think you have to go. Uh
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And and look, I understand that to a and some
people out there gonna say money is not everything, and
I understand that argument, right. I have taken at times
less money to do jobs that I wanted to do more.
In fact, when I left practicing law, people thought I
was crazy to end up doing this profession. But ultimately,
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when all is said and done, to has to be
a businessman in the way that he analyzes his decision making,
and if it's purely a business decision, I don't think
this is difficult. I think you have to go pro.
What about you, dub I can't even believe this is
a real conversation because to me it's so obvious and clear,
especially with his injury history at Alabama. I'm assuming that
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with you know, modern science and medical professionals, that he's
gonna come back pretty much a percent. And I don't
I don't think he's gonna drop that much in the
draft I still think there's gonna be a team take
him top ten. No, in my mind that because he's
such a uh generational talent. In my opinion, I think
there's definitely gonna be a team either in the top
ten or a team outside the top ten that trades up,
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kind of similar to what the Chiefs did with Patrick
Mahomes to come up and take him, because you know,
all season we just kind of assumed he was gonna
be number one overall. And yes, it was a serious injury.
But if he comes back and you can get him
at eight or nine or ten or eleven, I don't
see why on earth you wouldn't do that. And as
far as the business decision, it shouldn't even be a
decision because it's it's his future. And if he goes
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back to Alabama and you know, has another very serious
injury like the one he just had, that he just
doesn't play well because he's not recovered, A yeah, to me,
this is a no brainer and an obvious choice to make.
So both of us so far, all three of us
so far have said he should go pro. What do
you say, Eddie? I completely agree with what everyone else
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is saying, and for the points that have been pointed out. Um,
it is is more likely that he would return to
school and hurt his draft status that help it. And
as as doub mentioned, if it's another serious injury, maybe
that's his career. So look, it's one thing for a
player who's been completely healthy to come back to school
for another year because he has unfinished business or wants
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to help his team win a national championship. But when
you've had the history of the injuries and you were
going to risk that again, it's just you've worked at
one a national champions correct, correct. So he hasn't done
it's starting the entire season. But he literally threw the
touchdown pass to win a national championship. So and and
he's answered every question about how good he is. To me,
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it's pretty much crazy for him to decide to uh
to to come back to Alabama. I really do think
it is. Yeah, he will be remembered as a national
championship quarterback. I believe. Now, Look, there have been guys
who have come back. Andrew Lack came back, Peyton Manning
came back, uh, Sam Bradford came back, and Tim Tebow.
Although that's a little bit different because we didn't know
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about Tebow's draft stock, but those are four big time
star college football players. So from a college football fan perspective,
I like the idea of to a coming back because
I think it makes college football even more interesting. I
also think from an Alabama fan perspective, there's a big
drop off if if to Ah leaves, I think Alabama
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could go back to just be in a nine or
ten win team. I think that that the Tide are young.
But he's a he's been a you know, he's been
sort of a a racer of issues for Alabama because
their offense has been so good under him, and and
so I do think that would have issues if he
doesn't come back at just being good as opposed to
great and the other thing I would say, like again,
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using Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning or or Sam Bradford
for instance, as an example, those guys were one most
I think Bradford may have had a little bit of
health issues. Liner, by the way, came back as well
Matt Liner at a usc um. Those guys all were
not really dealing with major injury issues. In other words,
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that was them just deciding, hey, I'm not ready to
leave college and go pro Yet it was more of
a lifestyle decision and almost all of those situations than
it was a and and and Yes they had the
risk of getting injured and impacting their draft stock, but
two us already had the injury. And I think if
he comes back and he has another injury, remember he's
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not taking a lot of hits, and he's looked pretty brittle.
He's had two different surgeries on his ankles for high
ankle sprains, he's now broken his hip. If he comes
back and he has another injury, I think it's a
fair question to ask. In the NFL, where you get
hit even more, are you really going to be able
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to withstand the rigors of an NFL schedule or is
your body just not built to take all the punishment,
Which is not an indictment on to us. Some people's
bodies just can't handle NFL life. When we come back,
we'll talk with Dr David Chow. He's been in these situations.
What medical advice would he be giving and what does
he anticipate to his expectation expectations being from a health
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status perspective plus lots of health issues. As we get
ready for NFL wild Card weekend, we'll hit those as well.
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the I Heart Radio app dr. First of all, thanks
for getting up earlier with us. Happy New Year, and uh,
I want to go right into this. Uh this to
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a situation. It's gonna be a monster story. He has
announced that he will make his choice about whether to
go pro or return to Alabama on Monday. Purely from
a medical perspective, and I know you don't have access
to his personal uh you know, to try his personal
surgeries or his medical records or anything else. Put into
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perspective for us, what you would anticipate for him over
the next couple of months from a health perspective, Well,
you know, you saw him at the ball game on
a crutch, So it's pretty obvious he's not going to
be ready to work out at the combines if he
decides to turn pro. But then again, most times the
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top clubs don't necessarily work out anyways. But I do
expect that he should be ready to go by this
football season in terms of able to do some things,
and my concerned medically with him after the evascular necrosis
issue and assuming that that does not happen to blood
so issue with a hip dies out. The arthritis is
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the issue, the loss of motion, limited motion and gradual
wear and tear that of the joint that's now accelerated
with this fasher dislocation. That's my medical concern. So if
you were advising him from a perspective of what you
think NFL doctors will be looking at, and I know
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you've looked sometimes at these draft draft picks and and
obviously you were a team doctor for the Chargers, so
you've dealt with a lot of different injuries over time.
Do you think his injury is so significant that there
would be teams that that no one would draft him
in the first round because I think everybody out there
would acknowledge this is a first round quarterback if he is,
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you know, healthy coming into the draft. Do you anticipate
that that this is something where hey, twenty teams take
him off their board and just say we couldn't draft
this guy, Like, what would you anticipate the medical diagnosis
would be the range of opinion for NFL teams. Well,
first of all, if you believe the media reports and
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what his doctors have said. It seems like for sure
he would be drafted in the first round. But you
have to understand all of the medical information that's out
there has come from to A side and to as doctors,
and to a doctors can only release information that to
allows them to release. So if there is a negative report,
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quite sure the patient would say, yeah, you can't say that,
So you get the rosy picture. Now I hope the
rosy pictures what the truth is. But that's what you
don't know until you get to a combined situation and
you actually get hands on exam and to look at
the medical records, which right now no one has except
his own doctors. And so it's a very uh filtered
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or rosy uh information that's been given to the media.
So the real truth will need to be seen. But
I still anticipate that he still could be drafted. Now,
when I started in the NFL, he probably would not
be drafted in the first round, but nowadays I think
he totally would. Now why do I say that, Clay,
Because in the beginning I used to get asked by
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a GM can this guy be our left tackle for
the next decade or more? Right? But by the end,
it was can he get to a first contract? Because
if you look at the long jetty longevity of even
GMS nowadays, it's no longer ten plus years or fifteen years,
it's it's a five year cycle at most. So can
he get through his first contract? And the first rounder
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is five years? So that's why I believe he still
can and would be drafted in the first round. Would
you tell him as a doctor, based on what you
know that it makes more sense, and again you don't
get into what his head is or why he decides
to go or whatnot, but purely from a financial perspective,
given the fact that he could have this arthrit arthritis
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in his hip, and then it's a degenerative condition, and
everybody has a limited number of snaps, whether it's Tom Brady,
you know, play until he's forty two or forty three
years old, or you know the average player who's out
of the league by the time they're thirty. Most people
would do better to get to the NFL as quickly
as they could to maximize their earnings potential. Would that
be what you would advise him, likely if he asked you,
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purely from a medical perspective, what advice you would give him. Yeah,
I mean, obviously I look at the records and then
give himspondest advice, and of course you have to balance
the medical side against his life and what he wants
to do, etcetera. But you know his quote a while back,
money lost, his money lost, and he said that to
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the point of, hey, if I can't get drafted, you know,
twenty four higher, and then he should go back to
college because the money really drops and dips down. Yeah,
that's true. But if he isn't drafted high, now, I mean,
look at the risk if he would take. If he
is injured again, he's really going to drop. And if
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he finishes, fine, he's just put more miles on himself.
And the other thing, you have to think, money lost,
his money lost. If he plays another year at Alabama,
that's money lost. And let's say the other reason to
go pro is to start burning time. Everybody knows that
the second contract is the big money contract is getting
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to the second one, and you know there's a silver
lining and being drafted high in the second round you
only have four years before you get to that second contract. Now,
I'm not thinking he's going to get to the second round. Uh,
barring any surprises medically, but that's kind of what I
would point out, as you say, with limited miles, where
do you want to burn those miles? All right, let's
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go into the NFL and we're talking to Dr David
Chow at Pro Football Doc. Encourage you to go follow
him there. Uh, zach Ertz is probably the most famous
player right now as we get ready for Wild Cars
the weekend that it seems like may not play rib issue.
We don't really know specifically all the details there, But
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what do you anticipate from him? Well, you know, I
wrote the article on two a while back. I wrote
one a second one on Earth's Just Yesterday about why
I am still doubtful that he plays, even though you
hear optimism coming out of Philadelphia. I get that the
Eagles really want him to play and need him their
short pass catchers. I get that zach Ertz is lobbying
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and wants to play. But it's not the rib. It's
the kidney issue. And he says he doesn't feel the
kidney anymore. But normally you don't feel kidney pain in
terms of pain, fibers and what have you. The issue
is re injury. He has a lacerated kidney. And if
you go back in the history of NFL, and I
did this officially through assistant at pro Football dot dot com,
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Taylor did it for me in two thousands fifteen. I
think it was Andrew Luck had a Week nine last
read kidney the team initially said two to six weeks.
Never made it back. Keenan Allen for the Chargers Week
eight in that same year, never made it back. How
do Henry two years later Week fifteen macerated kidney did
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not make it back. Jordan Poyer, a Brown safety at
the time, last rated kidney in October, did not make
it back. Miles Austin of bruise kidney a little bit
different didn't make it back. And uh forgetting one more
right now. But basically they all didn't make it back.
Why because of the risk of re injury to the kidney.
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When it lascerated kidney happens, it's like a watermelon getting
karate choppter dropped on the floor. It's not like a cut.
It sort of explodes a little bit in cracks that
that watermelon gets hit a second time, it really breaks open.
If it becomes a ruptured kidney and you lose a kidney.
Some people would say, so what you can live on
with kidney? Yes, that's absolutely true. But you can't play
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NFL football or contact sports with one kidney because if
you were to lose the second one, you would spend
the life on dialysis. And because of these reasons, unless
it never was a lass rated kidney. It was a
media report that said it was. Unless there's something that
I don't know medically. I don't see how he plays
this weekend, and I don't see how he plays next
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weekend as the Eagles win. I'm talking Dr David Chow.
That is scary, uh indeed, honestly Uh. More positive story,
another big name. It appears the Vikings have tried to
protect Alvin Cook by not playing him the final two
weeks of the regular season. What do you anticipate seeing
from him? How healthy will he be and how impactful
can he be? Thanks for saving me with this question,
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because I started to sound like a negative Nancy there. Well,
I mean it's kind of I mean that that. I mean,
you know, I think sometimes we gloss over legitimate dangers
that people can face from an injury, right, and when
you dive into zach Ert story. I think there are
a lot of people out there kind of wincing as
you worked through the significance of the injury and what
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it could mean to him going forward. Uh. You know
a lot of times we talk about ankles, or we
talk about you know, shoulders or things like that, but
you start talking about kidneys and life changing impact. I mean,
I think that that really is eye opening and sometimes terrifying.
Don't seem to have those same concerns for Dalvin Cook.
But what do we anticipate from him? Well, I anticipate
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Dalvin Cook will be very, very good. First of all,
the timeline for an SC joint spring, you know, he
will have, you know, usually four to six weeks. He
started doing pretty well and he's at that timeline. And
the other reason I say he's going to do fine
is this is what the Vikings seemed to have been
strategizing for. Yes, he had some reaggravations of the of
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the SC joint. Yes he may have injured his left shoulder,
but I think he could have played and finished the
game week fifteen. They chose to sit him. I think
he could have played Week sixteen in Week seventeen, but
they chose to sit him because they were essentially locked
into the succeed. So now that he's got the extra
rest and it really will be three weeks of rest
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that he's gotten extra, I think he's really going to
be fine and suffer no consequences with the sc joint
or shoulder issue and really be a hundred percent And
quite honestly, I think the same thing for Alexander Madison
is backup. Alright. What about some of the secondary issues
for the for the Saints Van Bell Eli Apple, what
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do you anticipate there? Well, you know, lower extremity injuries,
muscle injuries, growing ankles are always tough for dbs, and yeah,
I think that's something to watch. And the something to
watch is can add of Theland finally get back on
track after his hamstring issues off season long and he's
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been back but hasn't gotten back on track. So it's
Adam Theland's hamstring versus a couple of these other defenders
groins and or ankles, and that will be interesting to watch.
Buffalo Houston big storylines. J J. Watt, who is coming
back from I believe as a torn pectoral muscle. Will
Fuller has had all sorts of hamstring issues. He now
has a groin issue. What do you expect from these
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two guys? Well, Will Fuller with the groin on top
of the hamstring, I mean, he probably could play and
be kind of a go route guy as a limited
route tree, but that's kind of what he is a
little bit anyway, So um, I think, uh, wait and see,
but I think he still could play. J. J. Watt
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is obviously going to play at this point in time.
He's been activated in kudos to him in the Texas
for the quick return. But we've talked about this. He's
super human, but he's still human. There's no way he
will be a hundred percent on his strength and he'll
have limited reps. And there was an article out of
Houston talking about it, and we've been talking about it
at the website for weeks now saying, Okay, if he returns,
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he's gonna have some limitation, and some of his limitations
are going to be keeping offensive lineman off of him
from getting hands on him, which is why they're already
saying he's going to be more in the in the
rush and pass game as opposed to the run stopping game.
And then the other thing is it's going to be
harder for him to wrap and tackle on that left
side because of the peck tendon rupture. Look, he's strong,
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his hack J J. Watt is still better than than
most players, but there's no way he's a hundred percent
right now. Okay, what about the Titans New England game.
It looks like a Dory Jackson maybe coming back with
a foot from a foot issue, but Jason mccordy also
has a groin issue for the Patriots, both secondary issues there.
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What else do you see in that game? Well, you know,
the big thing in that game, besides it being a rematch,
You know, everyone talks about Tom Brady's elbow. I don't
think that's the big story. I think the big story
continues to be Julian Edelman and his leftnee patella tendonitis.
If you watch him, and he's listed as the shoulder
injury as well, but if you watch him, he just
doesn't move the same and especially I have yet to
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see him really make a one put one plant cut
off his left leg in weeks and patella tendonitis literally,
you know, lingers so expect him to alter his route
tree in terms of how he runs his routes to
favor that left me and he's nowhere near himself right
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now and that's probably going to be the case for
the rest of the playoffs. Outstanding stuff is always my man.
We'll talk to you next week as we get ready
for Divisional round of the NFL. In the meantime, go
follow at Pro Football Doc Happy New Year when we
come back. Jason Garrett meeting for a third time with
the Dallas Cowboys. Reports are today. What in the world
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