February 4, 2019 • 53 mins
Clay Travis is back from Atlanta and gives his reaction to Super Bowl 53! Clay opens up the debate on who should be considered the greatest of all time, Jordan or Brady, and asks callers to share their thoughts. Clay gets the crew to weigh in on the big game. Plus, Alex Marvez joins the show from Atlanta International airport to give his biggest takeaways from the game.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of out kicked the coverage with
Clay Travis on Fox Sports Radio. What an intriguing Super
Bowl that also managed to be absolutely awful. Let me
explain what I mean. I think the number one takeaway
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we're going to have when all is said and done
years from now about this Super Bowl is that Tom
Brady got his sixth championship. Now, maybe Brady is gonna
go on and win his seventh championship, but for now,
I think we have created the number one debate for
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the next decade in sports media, and that debate is
going to be whether or not Tom Brady or Michael
Jordan's is the greatest team sport athlete of their Eras now,
some of you out there are gonna be difficult and
you're gonna say, what about Bill Russell. He's got ten right,
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whatever it is. It's a different era. You're playing in
a ten team NBA. There's not the same level of competition.
Bill Russell was never the best player in the league.
That was Wilt Chamberlain. This, I think is a really
interesting debate that is going to go on for years
and years to come, unless Brady goes out and wins
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another Super Bowl and gets to seven. If you don't
believe me, I put up the poll question last night
seven hours ago, who is the greatest team sport athlete
Tom Brady or Michael Jordan's. With forty five thousand votes in,
you guys are evenly exactly even fifty percent of you
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saying Tom Brady, fifty percent of you saying Michael Jordan's.
You can go vote on that on my Twitter account
at Clay Travis, but will unpack that in the days,
the weeks, the months to come. That, however, remains the
most significant outcome I believe of one of the worst,
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if not the worst, from a pure entertainment perspective, Super
Bowl of my lifetime. On top of that, I believe
what else will be remembered about this season is people
may forget the exact year, but I think the non
call on the past interference penalty at the end of
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the Rams Saints game is going to continue to loom
over this season. I think people will remember as much
about that non call as they did about this game.
And I believe where we got cheated. Clearly the UH
Saints should have been in this Super Bowl, but where
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we got cheated was Jared Goff was not up to
the challenge of being in this Super Bowl, going head
to head with Bill Belichick, having two weeks to prepare.
He just wasn't. And I know Sean McVeigh took blame
for getting out coached, and I think we have audio
of that. Let's play Sean McVeigh saying he got out coached.
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I'm pretty numb right now, but definitely I got out
coach and I didn't do nearly good enough for a
football team. You know, the thing that's so tough about
all of this is that you know the finality to it.
You know, usually when you get a chance, if you
go through some adversity, he can bounce back right away.
This one's gonna stick with you in just things in
your gut. And like I said, I'm still kind of
numb right now, but I have so much love for
these players in these coaches, and that's where you know
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it eats actually because you feel like he didn't do
your part to help them. Okay, that's Sean McVeigh, and
that's a straight up response from him to say he
got out coached. I think certainly he did not get
Jared Goff to play well, but I think Jared Goff
was a disaster out there on the field. He missed
a lot of throws. The interception he threw on the
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final drive, the final time that the Rams were going
to have the football was just an atrocious decision. And
I think time after time when he had chances to
make plays, he couldn't do it. He had a man
streaking down the center of the field. Credit to mccordy
for getting over there and making a play on the
ball that should have been a touchdown. He waited too
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long to throw the ball. There were a lot of
things that Jared Goff, when he goes back and watches
this film, will recognize that he was just fooled on
that he didn't make the throw in time. Now, Brandon
Cooks dropped the pass. That was a pretty good throw
that maybe he should have caught. But the interception was
just a disaster, an awful decision by Jared Goff. Why
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do I say we got cheated because I don't think
Drew Brees would have been confused like this. Drew Brees
might not have played great, and he ultimately may not
have won this game for the Saints, but I don't
think that given how many games he's played in Bill
Bellett check would have been capable of coming out and
completely confusing him, like we saw from Jared Goff. Having
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said all that, the Patriots did what the Patriots have
done for most of the Brady Belichick era. They found
a way to win. They found a way to win
because Tom Brady willed them to victory. This is a
crazy stat Tom Brady now has won six Super Bowls.
In all six, he has led a game winning drive
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in the fourth quarter or overtime. I want you to
hear that again because it is such a remarkable statistic.
In all six Super Bowls that he has won, Tom
Brady has led a game winning drive in the fourth
quarter or overtime. That is beyond a shadow of a doubt, improbable, incredible,
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the kind of data point that makes you sit back
and just right raise your eyebrows. This ten point victory
is the most that any one of the Super Bowls
has been won by the Patriots. Every other one was
a one score game, including the ones that they lost.
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This was, I think again, just a major statement for
Tom Brady's long term legacy in in the aspect of
getting to six overall wins. What else did we have.
We had what I believe was an incredible performance by
Julian Edelman that won him the Super Bowl MVP. He
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was flat out uncoverable. Now. I know some people out
there are fired up about the fact that Julian Edelman
had a four game suspension for peds to start the season,
but that's football. There are lots of guys, for whatever reason,
in baseball, we spend the rest of their career questioning
how this guy could ever end up using peds. In football,
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we don't even blink. And as a result, Edelman was
uncoverable on the field, even though the Patriots don't have
a lot of offensive weapons. In the wide receiving game,
there was almost no one else who even caught a
pass As a wide receiver for the New England Patriots.
You knew where Brady was going, you knew what he
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was going to do, and I think when you look
at the overall stats in this game, that makes Edelman's
performance all the more impressive. Guys receiving yards, obviously, Gronkowski
made a couple of plays. Cordurell Patterson was the only
other wide receiver for the New England Patriots to make
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a catch Cordurell Patterson had two catches for fourteen yards.
Julian Edelman was the only other wide receiver out there
on the field making plays for the Patriots. He had
ten catches for a hundred and forty one yards. The
rest of the Patriots wide receivers combined for fourteen yards receiving.
You knew where Brady was gonna try to go with
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the football, and he was still able to get open.
Julian Edelman was Rob Gronkowski late, big time playmaker. That
catch to set up the only touchdown of the game
was extraordinary. Uh. Great catch, great throw by Brady. Uh. Ultimately,
this was a defensive struggle. The Patriots had to make
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one play and they did it. The Rams had to
make one play and they never did it at all.
I thought, also, when you look at this game and
you think about the larger context of what it means
for the Patriots outside of Tom Brady individually, you could
make a strong argument that when you consider the length
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of time, that the Patriots are the greatest dynasty in
the history of sports. And really it's also an interesting
question does a dynasty record lire more than two guys
because the only two people connected to the Patriots for
all six Super Bowls are Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.
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And that's why the the Jordan's versus Brady argument I
think is so intriguing because probably the best argument you
can make in favor of Jordan's is that Jordan's was
never paired for the entirety of his career with the
greatest head coach in the history of the game. Right
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when you really break it down, Phil Jackson was very good,
but I don't think very many people out there would
say he was the greatest coach in the history of
the game. Whereas I don't think there's any doubt that
Bill Belichick is the greatest coach in the history of
the game. So, uh so all of that conspiring, this
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will be a great debate for years to come. Also
for Jordan, people right now are out there saying, well,
you know, Jordan's he was he was six and oh
in the finals. But I don't think that's a fair
argument because do you really punish a guy for getting
to nine Super Bowls? Would it be better for Tom
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Brady's legacy if he had never made the other three
Super Bowls and he had gone six and oh? Straight
up in the Super Bowl. Maybe, But I think that's
lazy thinking because it would mean that Brady would have
had to lose before he got to the Super Bowl,
and that all three of those losses, for instance against
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the Eagles last year, it would have been better for
Brady's legacy if you're making that argument, if the Patriots
had lost to Blake Bortles and the Jacksonville Jaguars. Does
that make any sense at all when you really break
it down in terms of the Brady versus Jordan's argument.
Jordan's lost to the Orlando Magic in the playoffs in
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the mid of the midst of that six championship UH
run in eight years. People forget that he came back
early and that he was eliminated in the playoffs, and
people forget it because it didn't happen in the NBA finals.
Would it have been better if Brady had managed to
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lose earlier in the playoffs and not make the Super
Bowl before he lost? I don't think so. And again,
Brady has won six Super Bowls and he's had a
game winning drive in the fourth quarter or overtime in
every one of those games. And you think about super
Bowl titles now, Tom Brady by himself has the same
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number of titles as the Pittsburgh Steelers have in the
history of their franchise, Dallas Cowboys in San Francisco, forty
Niners have five each, the Packers and the Giants have
four each, and the Broncos, the Redskins, and the Raiders
have three each. One more point that I think is
worth discussing. A lot of people out there making the
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argument that, um, well, Jared Goff and Sean McVeigh, they'll
be back to the Super Bowl again, Guys, I'm not
sure other than h John Elway. In the modern era,
most of the time, when a quarterback loses in the
Super Bowl, he does not come back and win a
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Super Bowl again. Now, Jared Goff is very young, He's
only twenty four years old, and certainly he expects to
be back in the Super Bowl one day. Uh. And
there was the talk that was going on between McVeigh
and Goff there on the field at the end. You
could see McVeigh whispering to Golf, probably saying something about how, hey,
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we'll be back again. Great job this season. This is
on me, not on you. Don't let this get you down.
Most of the time, even when guys are older, they
become shelves of themselves for a little while. And there's
a massive Super Bowl hangover when a guy loses in overtime.
And even if you're a relatively young quarterback, that legacy
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of losing the Super Bowl seems seems to hang over you.
Look at what happened to Cam Newton. I don't know
if Cam Newton will ever get back to the super Bowl,
but certainly losing the way the Carolina Panthers did in
the Super Bowl seemed to hang over Cam Newton for
a while. Look at Matt Ryan after the Falcons gave
up the three lead. To his credit, they got into
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the playoffs the next year, but that legacy seems to
still be kind of hanging over him, of burning and
losing that game. Look at Steve McNair. Guy quarterbacks the
team to within a yard of the Super Bowl never
gets back there again, even though he was relatively young
when he got to the super Bowl. Then, most of
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the time, if you lose your first super Bowl, you
don't come back and end up winning the super Bowl again. Now,
obviously you can point to John Elway and say, well, Elway,
did he lost his first several, but that's the exception
rather than the rule most of the time, because it's
so difficult to make the Super Bowl. A guy gets there,
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he loses, he doesn't come back and make plays in
the years ahead that helped to erase the sting of
this defeat. I'm gonna bring in the crew when we
come back. I will also open up the phone lines
to allow you guys to react to everything you saw
in the super Bowl and talk about the halftime show.
I thought that was mediocre, too bad. We can talk
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about the UH commercials, which I thought were also mediocre
to bad. I thought, in totality, this was as bad
of a super Bowl as we have seen from a
pure entertainment perspective in a very long time, if not
the worst of my lifetime. Now it's still a super Bowl,
was still entertaining. But when my four year old turns
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to me during the Super Bowl and says, Dad, can
we put on Paul picture, It's better not necessarily a
good sign, because he thought the Super Bowl was so
boring and nothing was happening in it that he wanted
me to put on Paw Patrol. Be sure to catch
live editions of Outkicked the coverage with Clay Travis weeknights
at eleven p m. Eastern eight pm Pacific on Fox
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. I'm sure
there's a lot of people out there who want to
say it. I thought the Patriots were dead. I bet
against them against the Chargers. I said they would lose.
I bet against them against the Chiefs. I said they
would lose. I bet against them against the Rams. I
said they would lose. I was wrong. It's rare that
I admit that I was wrong, but I was wrong.
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I didn't think the Patriots are very good this year.
I still, honestly, I don't think the Patriots were that
good this year. They lost a five non playoff teams.
They went eleven and five in the regular season. But
you know what, they found a way to win. Thank
you d Ford for lining up off sides. You allowed
this Patriot dynasty to continue. You allowed Brady to get
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into the Super Bowl and win the title. And you
get Tom Brady close to the Super Bowl, and by
and large, he finds a way to win the championship.
And one question that was looming out there was what
was gonna happen with Rob Gronkowski. He addressed that after
the game, and we still don't have definity definitive outcome here,
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but to me, it sounds a little bit like he's
leaning towards making this his final, uh final season. But
here's that audio. Tonight, it's about celebrating with my teammates,
and that decision will be made in a week or two,
you know, down the future, because tonight, that's what's about,
is celebrating with my teammates. And that's why I'm worried
about tonight. And we're gonna have a good time. Bill
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told me he's partying tonight, so you know it's gonna
be good. When Bill Belichick is party, you know it's
gonna be good. Let me go to a couple of
your calls, uh, dub Where should I go? First? We
got Leo in Vermont? Leo? What's up? Solid start by
the callers? Leo? Are you ready to go? Let's let's
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try Kevin in Culver City. Yeah, Kevin and Culver City?
What's up? Kevin? Hey? What's up? Clay? You know I'll
make a tradicition out of this every Super Bowl. I
gotta give you a call, and uh, you know, don't
get mad at yourself man, you had the right pick um.
I was all on the Rams. And you know I
had such a big bet on this game. I'm talking thousands.
I was gonna buy Rachel Bannetta a car to get
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my shoutout tomorrow. But you know I looked at this game.
I said, Jared Golf, fourteen points left on the board,
the first throw, the overthrow, Come on, you gotta make
that throw. Don't double pump it in any interception. That
game should have been fourteen to ten rams. I'll get
ready to touchdown to SNDY Michelle to play the ground.
But you gotta give way Phillips credit. That was a
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great coach game by that decent. I mean, Sean McVeigh,
you're giving Todd Gurley ten carries in the Super Bowl.
You gotta look yourself in the mirror and say, hey,
did you get it done? Did you get the ball
to Girlely to get it twenty to twenty five carries?
So it was on off, but McVeigh left along the field.
Bill Collar said that a half time that opens up
the play. Actually that's the same thing I said. So,
I mean, you know, Sean McVeigh has got to know
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how to coach better to to, you know, open it
up a little bit and not make it so predictable
for Belichick. Yeah, I appreciate the call. I agree with
you that that when you consider what Wade Phillips did.
If you had told Sean McVeigh before the game, hey,
your defense is gonna hold the New England Patriots to
thirteen points, I think he would have said, we're gonna
win by double digits. Because, by the way, the over
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under in this game closed at fifty six and didn't hit.
At least I had the under, so I won something
on this Super Bowl. Uh, they're only sixteen total points.
That's the biggest under hit in thirty years of NFL football.
The under hit by forty points. I think if you
had told them that's what we're gonna do when it
comes to the over under, everybody would have been ecstatic
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about that. Right you tell Sean McVeigh that you're gonna
hold the New England Patriots and Tom Brady in the
Super Bowl the thirteen points, I think he would have
bet every dollar he has that his team was going
to find a way to score fourteen. And I think
you're right. Look the big miss by Jared Goff that
would have changed the game in a big way had
a wide open receiver. UM and Tony Romo pointed out
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another big miss by UH by Jared Goff on a
deep deep post. I think it was or a deep
end route. I'm not sure exactly. With about eight minutes
to go on third down and long, I also their
second down and long. I also think the call there
on holding was the wrong call. And I don't want
to belabor the point on NFL officiating, but Todd Gurley
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got a big run. If you remember, with about nine
or ten minutes to go cross midfield, the Rams had
a first and ten and they called a non hold
to bring back the the the Ram offense there. I
don't understand how you continually have calls that are not egregious. Again,
make sure that it's a hundred percent of penalty or
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let these guys play. There weren't a lot of fouls called,
but there were still a lot of miscalls, and I
just I don't get that in the grand scheme of things,
say a couple more of your calls. Who you got
for me? Dub We got CB in Pasadena, CB in Pasadena,
what's up? CB? Right? Thank you? For a call screener
and um, um, first of all, my condolences go on
to Georgia W. H. Bush, you know, and his family.
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It was a beautiful funeral, uh President Um, but you know,
all of the president funeral was like a month ago.
So I mean, I appreciate you giving condolence. I'm sure
his family really appreciates getting the condolences this morning, but
that funeral was like a month ago. Right, you've been
in a cryogenic Chamberson. It's been about it's been about
three weeks. But you know, I just have to give
my condoless out and then I have to give my
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condoless out to the Rams. This is where I was
going with that. That's my segue. Uh's a bad sec
to the other player. Yeah, and then the poor Rams,
you know, thirteen to three. Yeah, it was a dull
kind of game. It was a good defensive game. You know,
I didn't see any electricity out of the All right,
we gotta hang up on CB. That's a bad call.
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When you start off, you're trying to make your point.
You're like, hey, I gotta give condolences to the Bush family,
so you can make a condolence to the Rams. That's
a bad open, my man. President, former president has been
dead for for nearly a month. The bad's a rough reach.
It's a bad reach. I gotta cut you off. Not
a good argument to be made. I can't trust your
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opinion after that bad of it opened. Anybody else still
waiting online? Dub Yeah, we got Tommy down in Florida.
Tommy down in Florida, Tommy, Please don't start off with
condolences for former president. Was a bad guy, has a
bad car. Now Here's here's the point I'm gonna make
about what you're saying with the whole Michael Jordan's thing.
I think you're actually selling Brady a little bit short.
The greatest thing that he's done, in my opinion, is
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the distance between win strong argument, yeah, strong arm. The
guy that you should be comparing him to is actually
Jack Nicholas. Nicholas won his first major and sixty two
and his last one in eight six. That's twenty four years.
Brady one his first title of what oh one, and
now that's eighteen year difference that I mean, like Bradshaw
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Bradshaw one. They're all in like six years. Jordan's like
eight years, Kobe's like six or seven years. That's the
most impressive thing, because Brady's playing with players that some
of them were like what in elementary school when he
was winning. It's incredible that that's a strong argument. That's
a good call, that's a very good call. The longevity
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of Brady's dominance in a sport where longevity is rare,
I think definitely helps him a tremendous amount in our
goat status debate, because most truly extraordinary athletes have a
peak window of six to eight years where they are
the best in the world at what they do, and
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then that peak window kind of disappears. That's an argument,
by the way, in favor of Lebron to that he's
had such a long stretch of dominance. But the differences
in brady sport every single snap. People are trying to
injure you substantially. Jack Nicholas twenty four years between major
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wins is a good one, but nobody's lining up to
hit Jack Nicholas when he's trying to make a putt.
Brady has been getting hit by the biggest, strongest, most physical,
battest men on the planet for nearly twenty years, and
he's still showing up hanging in the pocket and making
the throws that are necessary to win championships. And by
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the way, I think he's gonna be back and extend
that reign of dominance even longer. I used to be
a Tom Brady hater. I've shifted into admire like first
grudging admiration, now to the point where I just think
you have to appreciate greatness. And it's possible that Tom
Brady is the greatest team athlete, individual player in a
team sport of all time. I don't think that's an
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outlandish comment at all. I would say that Brady's six
championships are more important and impressive than Michael Jordan's six championships.
And I think Brady versus Jordan's has definitely passed Jordan's
versus Lebron as by far the most interesting greatest of
all time debate. I just tweeted this out, but we've
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gotten nearly forty five thousand of you have voted who
is the goat, Tom Brady or Michael Jordan's and it's
a dead heat after forty four thousand votes on my
Twitter page, fifty of you saying Tom Brady, of you
saying Michael Jordan's be sure to catch live editions of
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I would kick the coverage with Clay Travis weekdays at
six am Eastern three a'm Pacific. I just tweeted out
um a story that I I I just want to
hit this off the top here. We're obviously breaking down
Jordan's versus Tom Brady now that both men have got
six championships, But CNN just tweeted out a story. This
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is a real story. Why are Adam Levine's nipples fine
for air? But two thousand four's wardrobe malfunction made Janet
Jackson a pariah for years? That's the question some fans
are asking after the Super Bowl. Well, I think an
easy answer would be there aren't billion dollar companies built
around the idea of seeing men topless. Because I'll tell
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you this right now, if somebody wants to pay me
to pose topless in any magazine, especially pose me, pay
me a lot of money, I'll be happy to do
it now. I thought that Janet jackson uh nipplegate back
in two thousand four was an overreaction, But the idea
that a man shirtless is the same thing as a
woman shirtless, there's kind of a big difference. Kind of
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a big difference there. Right, men will spend their entire
lives trying to see as many women topless as they can. Right,
women don't care at all about seeing men topless. Maybe
I'm wrong in this, Maybe the male nipple needs to
be protected. We need some some pasties everywhere we go.
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But the answer is because men desperately want to see
women topless and women don't really care that much about
seeing men toppless. The answer is go to any pool
in America and see what the reaction is if a
woman walks around topless compared to a man walking around topless.
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God bless CNN. Uh, that is incredible, But we are
breaking down Super Bowl fifty three halftime show. I didn't
think it was very good. Commercials I thought were awful.
Everybody's trying to be so woken the commercials. Nobody tries
to be funny anymore. It's like, just sell me your product,
all right, entertain me, make me laugh. I thought the
best commercial. I thought there are a couple of decent commercials.
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I thought the commercial for Stella, which featured the dude
and carry from Sex in the City, I thought that
was pretty good. Uh. In character there. I thought that
was really outstanding. Um. I thought the bud Light ad,
which also intersected with Game of Thrones. You all know
I'm obsessed with Game of Thrones, love that show. I
thought that was pretty good. Um. But but in general
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I didn't think the half to the commercials are very good.
I thought that the NFL hundred year anniversary or whatever,
where all the players were chasing around the football, I
thought that was pretty outstanding. But in general, I didn't
think the commercials are very good. I think the game
was very good. It's a defensive struggle, but it was
a defensive struggle where you felt like, especially the Rams
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left a lot of plays on the field, Jared Goff
missed a lot of throws, and it was just an
ugly performance overall. At the end, though, Tom Brady one
got the Super Bowl, gets the six and three all
time in the Super Bowl, and I think in the
process created the next great sports debate that will be
going on for the next decade or more or and
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that is gonna be Tom Brady versus Michael Jordan, who
is the greatest of all time? And that's our poll
question up got nearly fifty thousand votes in it right
now dead heat fifty jordanst Uh for Uh, Michael Us
for Tom Brady. A couple of stats that I think
are worth the breaking down. Tom Brady and Bill Belichick
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now have thirty combined playoff wins. The next closest combined
number of playoff wins for a coach and quarterback is fourteen. Um.
Over the course of his Super Bowl run, Tom Brady
now has covered eighteen years. Caller earlier pointed out Jack
Nicholas went twenty four years between major wins. That kind
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of gives you a sense for how long Brady has
been at the top of his game. Julian Edelman really
the only weapon that the Patriots had in the passing game.
Everybody else was blanketed. Julian Edelman ten catches a hundred
and forty yards. He was your m v P. Obviously,
also got suspended for pets before the season started. For
the people out there who believe the Patriots are eternal cheaters,
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that's more evidence for you. Second best receiver, Couardurel Patterson,
only had two catches for less than twenty yards. Obviously,
Rob Gronkowski made a big time play late. He was
the second leading receiver for the New England Patriots. Will
see whether or not Gronk is gonna end up retiring.
Um I got to apologize to the Patriots. I didn't
believe in them. I think this is probably the worst
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team since the first team to win the title for
the Patriots uh to win the Super Bowl. But that's
a credit to Brady and Belichick. They got here. They
got the win over the Chargers, they got the win
over the Chiefs, and they got the win over the Rams.
I think that this Patriot team not very good relative
to the standards set by other Patriot teams. But you
know what, the eighteen and oh Patriot team was the
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best ever. They lost Eli Manning and the Giants, and
the team that also lost to the Giants again and
the team that lost to the Eagles. I think all
three of those Patriot team that lost in the Super
Bowl were better than this one. But you remembered for
the games that you win, and the Patriots found a
way to get it done. I want to bring in
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the crew. I would say this also as my number
one takeaway. I think we got cheated out of Drew
Brees versus Tom Brady, and I'm gonna think this for
a very long time to come. I don't believe that
Tom Brady that that Drew Brees would have been anywhere
near as confused as Jared Goff was in this game.
Drew Brees and the Saints may have lost, but Drew
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Brees was not gonna look like a deer in the
headlights like Jared Goff often did. I think Drew Brees
would have made a lot more plays. I think he
would have been prepared for what he saw on the
defensive side of the ball because he's played a lot longer.
I thought that Jared Goff and Sean McVeigh got exposed,
and there's a lot of people out there that are
gonna say, well, Jared Goff is young, you'll probably come
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back and win another Super Bowl. I would just say this,
it's rare for a guy to lose in the Super
Bowl and then come back and win one. Most guys
win their first Super Bowl if they are going to,
whether it's Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Payton Manning, Tom Brady,
Brett Farve, you run through that list, Aaron Rodgers, everybody
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who has won a Super Bowl since all the way
back to John Elway has won the first time they
have gotten there, or they've never won one. Elway is
the last only quarterback in the last thirty years of
the NFL to lose in the Super Bowl and come
back the first time he goes and come back and
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win it. I don't know whether it's the pressure like
a Cam Newton or Matt Ryan feels when they lose
one of these Super Bowls, but it seems like there's
a big hangover, whether it's Dan Marino, Boomerisias and Jim Kelly,
Neil O'donnald Drew, so Steve McNair, carry Collins. Like I said,
Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, if you'll lose the first time
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you go to the Super Bowl, odds are you're not
gonna get back and ever win again. And that's unfortunate
and it hangs over everybody's head and it stinks. But
the odds are against Jared goth ever winning a Super
Bowl now, they just are. It's hard to get there
and again. The only guy in the last thirty years
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who has gotten to the Super Bowl lost the first
time he went there and then come back to win
a Super Bowl is John Elway. It takes a lot
of mental toughness to pull it off. Let me bring
in the crew, Danny G What stood out to you
the most about this about this game? I think the
most frustrating part of the game to me was that
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the field never seemed to open up. The spacing obviously
so tight in the game until the Patriots scored their
late touchdown. Gilmore was all over the Rams receivers and
even Tracy Wolfson was swallowed up, almost dying. Yeah, that
was that was great. When she was trying to speak
with Tom Brady, I felt cloustrophoe, but kind of like
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I was on the airplane to Atlanta all over again,
with a large woman sitting next to me on the plane.
So that's the thing. I was just waiting, come on,
let's open it. I thought in the second half there
would be a lot more scoring, and it just never happened. Also,
obviously you're talking commercials. I agree with you on Marshawn
Lynch with his piece of cake bud Light versus the
Game of Thrones commercial was tremendous. I also think Jason
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Bateman's elevator car shopping commercial a little underrated. That one
stood out to me, and as far as halftime. Why
was it not just an Outcast show at halftime? I
think East Point in College Park should have been the
focal point of the show. Where was Andre three thousand
when we really needed don't know if he refused to
be on, but I wonder whether Outcast would have been
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able to to reunite there. I know because because I
know he kind of has been doing the acting thing.
But Adam Levine taking his shirt off and being squirmy
on stage, he seemed like a broke Freddie Mercury. To me.
It was just awkward. Yet he doesn't have moves like
like like Jagger. Yeah, I think the answer is no,
you don't have moves like It would have been cool
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if they could have gotten make Jagger to come out
and when they did, uh, you know, moves like Jagger.
Now I gotta ask you really quick because you picked
the Rams to win, and now you're saying that you
wish the Saints were in the game, but really we're
just too Brandon Cook's key plays away from the Rams
having a big shot in that game. I mean that
drop touchdown pass at the end of the game that
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was death to the Rams. And obviously earlier golf was
late on that throw to the back of the end zone.
So had the Rams squeaked out a win, would you
still feel like you got ripped off not having the
Saints in the game. No. I mean I think that
they had made a couple of big plays, things would
fill differently. But they didn't even if they played. Because
you're talking Brady the goat versus Jordan, Well, Brady didn't
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play good last night either. Yeah, but he played phenomenally
last year and they lost. I mean, that's how super
Bowls work. That's why it's so hard to win them,
is sometimes the quarterback can go out and be phenomenal.
Brady was I think the greatest passing performance in the
history of the Super Bowl last year, if I'm not mistaken,
and his defense couldn't stop him at all, and so
as a result, he ended up losing what were last
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year forty two. So I mean that's you're comparing team sports.
I mean, I couldn't imagine Jordan ever losing to a
Nick Foles team. You might say, well, you can't compare
the two sports, well exactly, So this entire debate is
very difficult because how do you compare two different sports? Well,
easily because we do it all the time. We do
it all the time, but it doesn't always make the
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most sense. Yeah, you can't compare airs either, and yet
we sit around all the time. That bugs me when
people try to this debate to be infinitely better discussion
in debate is Jordan's versus Brady now instead of Lebron.
I'll give you that. I agree. I agree with you there,
but I just don't know if you have thirty years
of this on the ray. Oh, I'm gonna do it
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for the next years. Yeah, I'm gonna make ten million
dollars a year debating Jordan's versus uh, Jordan versus Brady,
like Skip Bayliss does doing Jordan versus Lebron? What else
stood out to you, dub What stood out to you
in particular from the from the Super Bowl? It was
kind of a win for the old timers. You got
the old defensive minded coach coaches and Wade Phillips and
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Bill Belichick absolutely dominating their side of the ball. I mean,
holding this Rams team to three points. It's got to
be the greatest performance from Bill Belichick that I've seen. Yeah,
and and it's a bounceback performance for Bill Belichick because
last year the discussion was about Malcolm Butler and why
he wasn't in the game and why they couldn't get
a stop against Nick Foles, and how the evolution of
the game had totally changed. And then you get Jared
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Goff just shut down completely. I said in the earlier
in the show, if you told me, if you had
told Sean McVeigh that they were going to hold the
Patriots the thirteen points, I think he would have put
like multiple fingers on the line, right, like you can
chop my finger is off. If we're not gonna to
score thirteen points and lose has to kind of sicken Uh,
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Sean McVeigh. It's one thing to lose, But if they
had gone out and they had lost thirty five to
thirty one, I think he'd be like, okay, you know,
like they just had a little bit more playmaking at
the end. And Uh, in in a season where he
won a game fifty four to fifty one, to lose
three to nothing, basically, to lose thirteen to three and
get held to three points has to really kind of
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stick with him. What about you, Roberto? What stands out well?
When the Rams were winning everybody wanted the next Sean McVeigh.
Everybody said how great McVeigh was and how golf is
just along for the ride. But now that the Rams loss,
it seems like more of the blamess to be on golf.
But McVey supposed to be the boy wonder, the boy genius,
and he seems like he didn't drew up enough explosive
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plays for the Rams to win the game. Yeah, I mean,
I think he drew up the plays. I think they
just didn't get executed. I mean, I'm sure when they
go back and look at the film, there's a lot
of opportunities to make plays out there that Jared Goff
just didn't make. He's a young quarterback. I think the
moment was too big for him. I still think there's
something going on with Todd Gurley, and we haven't spent
a lot of He only got ten carries for thirty
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five yards. If you've got a young quarterback, why wouldn't
you rely on C. J. Anderson and Todd Gurley. I
don't understand what happened with Gurley in this playoffs in general, Um,
something is wrong with him. I just you can't tell me.
The guy who scored twenty three touchdowns, gets ten carries,
maybe a couple of catches, isn't even a part of
the offensive game plan. I need to know what happened
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with Todd Gurley that made this completely uh turn, made
him turn into an afterthought. I mean, he should have
been the workhorse back in my mind, and there has
to be an injury. There has to be some sort
of a pitch count that he was on based on
that injury, and just nobody wants to admit it. Even
signing C. J. Anderson and using him as much as
they have, It doesn't make sense to me that Todd
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Gurley doesn't get those carries in the Super Bowl with
everything on the line, and also in the Super Bowl
with everything on the line, in a game where it's
not like the rams were down and you had to
go to the passing game. It just doesn't make any
sense to me at all. All Right, we come back.
We'll talk with Alex Marvez. He set to join us
breaking down super Bowl fifty three. In the final segment
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of the show, we have got let's go ahead and
play this. Do you have this cute up, Danny G
I want to let people start thinking about this, so
um I uh am on a television show called Lock
It In. And as part of Locking In, we make
gambling picks on the show. And I made a huge
bet on the Super Bowl based on whether or not
they would mention the age difference between Jared Goff and
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Tom Brady during the game. Okay, and during the game
they put up the pictures of the guys. They did
the seventeen year challenge. It's been seventeen years since Tom
Brady won his Super Bowl and they put up the
pictures and this is what it sounded like, and let's
do the seventeen year challenge. Well, you see, seventeen years ago,
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Tom Brady looked bolder. I think Sean McVeigh looked like
he was kindergarten and Jared Goff was in kindergarten? Was
Jared Goff was in kindergarten? All right? And they put
up the pictures of both those guys. I actually want
to pull the crew right here, do you guys think? Well, actually,
I'll ask you really quickly. Now now let's save it.
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I'll pull you guys. So they said Jared Goff was
in kindergarten. They haven't paid out this this prop bet yet,
should that count as mentioning the age difference. To me,
there is no argument that should. If they pay it out,
then I win the week on Lock It In and
I am the King. If they don't pay it out,
then I lost, and we're waiting to see whether or
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not that is going to count. Fox Sports Radio has
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within the I Heart Radio app. Go ahead and bring
in Alex Marvez. Your number one takeaway was amazing, right.
I mean, twenty seven of sixty plays that the Los
Angeles Rams ram went for negative or zero yards, half
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of what was the eleventh most prolific scoring offense in
NFL history during the regular season. Half of their plays
went nowhere or backwards. And we could talk about how
bat Jared Goff was, that Todd Gurley is not the
same guy. The offensive line looked terrible, YadA, YadA, yah.
All that is a discredit to what the New England
Patriots did on defense. They were absolutely fantastic. I mean,
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did the Ram string together more than two good plays?
I mean how many times? Right play? I mean, it
was just it was a brilliant performance and an incredible
send off for Brian Flores, even though if you watch
the broadcast you may not know who he is since
Tony Romo and Jim Man's decided to ignore him. But gosh,
I mean, he was absolutely awesome working with Belichick to
this game. Clim mean, if your Miami Dolphins fan, why
do you feel a little bit better today that this
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guy is gonna become your head coach? I understand that argument,
but we've seen this an awful lot of times where
Belichick assistants have left and been awful, whether it's Matt Patricia, Romeo, Cornell,
char Early, Wise, uh Man Man Genie, like you just
basically run through the list, Josh McDaniels. Belichick is a
great coach who creates an opportunity for everybody to excel.
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I understand the reason for optimism anytime you hire a
new coach. I just haven't seen anybody leave the Belichick
coaching tree and me think, Wow, this guy is unbelievad.
I mean, Bill O'Brien is the most successful coach to
ever leave the Belichick coaching tree, if you don't want
to count Nick Saban going all the way back. But
in the since he's been at the Patriots, and I
don't think a lot of people in Houston are like, oh,
Bill O'Brien is the greatest coach of all time, but
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he's by far the most successful. So I understand the
reason for that, but I'm not willing to be that
excited if I'm a Dolphins fan over this higher because
of this game. Um. Having said that if Sean McVeigh
had known that his team Wade Phillips was gonna hold
that team in the Patriots to thirteen points, how confident
do you think he would have been that he was
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gonna win? Of course, he's a confidence play. I mean, seriously,
you know, I mean thirteen points, you're off and again
five seven point scored during the regular season. I mean,
and you put up thirty on the road. I guess
it was against uh against New Orleans and twenty seven
or so, twenty six against the Cowboys. I mean, they
were scoring points, they were finding ways to get it done.
They made a judgments during games. They never found an answer.
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So what it was that that be a Patriots are
doing on deep and listen Austin blythe and and John
Sullivan the center and right guard. They were pretty miserable right.
The right side of that offensive line was hourrendous in
the Patriots were smart that is where they attacked right
because Andrew Woodworth is still pretty darn good at left tackle,
Roger's Apple really good at left guard. The way that
they attacked this team was the right side of the
offensive behind. I would imagine some major upgrades that Rams
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have to look at having there to get a little
bit more protection, particularly at center John Sullivan and older
players in his thirties. But now they did a great
job and listen better in secondary as well. And what's
crazy was when the lost Patrick Chung, they didn't skip
a beat. I mean, the guy broke his form. He's
a really good safety, but you know when when he
got hurt, it didn't count. It didn't work against them.
I mean, just just so well coached. I mean they
were they were really good. I mean they were really
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last night, all right. Jared Goff was not really really good.
In fact, he was the opposite. These are the guys
who have lost in the Super Bowl since basically Marino
as some of the guys Marino, Dan Marino, Boomerissias, and
Jim Kelly, Neil, O'Donnell Drew bled so Steve McNair, Carry Collins,
Cam Newton, Matt Ryan among them. The only player in
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the last forty years to lose his first Super Bowl
and come back to win a later Super Bowl is
John Elway. If you were betting right now, do you
believe Jared Goff will come back and win a Super
Bowl one day? I will, because I'll tell you this.
I mean, I think about the odds. He's twenty four
years old, so you figured that the guy has got
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at least ten more seasons as an NFL starter, right,
And I think the Rams are pretty well learned the
organization now, and I think Sean McVeigh will learn from
this experience and they will continue to get better. Has
to continue to get better, right, And you know, maybe
this it was weird because the game wasn't too big
for him when we look at what happened and against
the Saints, right, the guy let it come back. He
was fantastic, But you just felt maybe the Super Bowl
it was a little bit too big form. You know,
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you saw that pass at the end interset the but
Stephon Gilmore terrible forms. This technique fell apart as the
game went on, and that's something okay, is that the
Patriots defense is at a symptom of feeling the pressure
of being in a Super Bowl. I mean, those things
are significant, but again, I think with the supporting cast
that they have in the in the type of coach
Sean mcveay, is that ultimately he will be back. And
remember this too, It isn't like a Matt Ryan where
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you lose Kyle Shanahan and the offense take seven steps back.
Right in this case, you know Sean mcday is going
to continue to be the play caller and it's going
to continue to work with him. How did the great
quarterbacks in the NFL developed, They keep comminuity when it
comes to their coaches. You're gonna have that continuity with
Sean McVey and Jared Goff. That's why I feel pretty
good about the young name learning from this and getting back.
At some point, we're talking to Alex Marvez at Alex
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Marvez on Twitter, why was Todd Gurley not more featured?
You know that the word was behind the scenes that
that his knee just isn't right. You know, he'll dispute
that and deny that, and the Rams will dispute that
and deny that. We'll find out there's a surgery in
the offing somewhere. What's happened is that girl has become
a little bit of a I don't say one trick pony,
but teams don't respect him running between the tackles. But
they've been doing is popping in c J Anderson. He's
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been the guy that runs between the tackles and he
did a lot for one past last night J and
got open. But but I'll tell you the you know,
with Gurley, they just couldn't get him on track on
the outside. The interested such a great job covering the perimeter,
you know, keeping him in between and just not making
sure he couldn't get out there. He was rendered pretty ineffective.
And listen, I was a little bit surprised that he
got the all prond considering that he didn't play the
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final couple of weeks of the season. What a great
year is zek Elliott had. He can make an argument
for say Kamon Barkley. But you talked about guys on
a little bit on the hot seat to produce. Coming
into two thousands and nine, the nine team season, I
think Todd Girl is going to be one of them.
I mean, have we seen the best of this guy.
I hate the judge based upon Sea games, especially if
we find out he was injured and that might be
the reason. But other than that, play really disappointed end
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to what had been a fantastic year for him. Do
you think Rob Gronkowski retires? Yeah, you know, talking to
him before the game, he just seemed so happy with
what he was doing. I think there have to be
a couple of things here though. Are the Patriots can
to adjust his salary, Are they gonna let Gronk be
Gronk in the offseason, those types of things. I think
that's a huge consideration for him. And well, they guaranteed
that they're not going to trade him this year. I mean,
you know, all of those things go into it, you know,
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the Patriot way. As soon as you show any sign
to being vulnerable physically on the decline, usually they get
rid of you. Right now, maybe there are special broncles
because it was a relationship with Tom Brady and the guys.
Still a fantastic blocker, and he did have juice last night.
He was beating those linebackers, you know for the rams
and one on one coverage and you know, but again
you're counting on this guy being healthy for an entire season,
and that's just really a lot to ask from Gronk.
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So the question is that he does want to keep
playing well at the end of the scenario where the
Patriots are accepting of the things that he's gonna want,
because he, as he said, he's not going to play
for another organization. He is only going to play for
the New England Patriots. Remember he was threatened to retire
last year after the Detroit Lions, you know, tried to
make the trade for him, and he said that's not happening.
So a lot of things in play here with Gronk,
ope of the Patriots or nothing. I will sell you that.
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We're talking to Alex Marvez. He's at the airport leaving
Atlanta right after Super Bowl fifty three last night. Brady
now has six Super Bowls. Michael Jordan won six. Uh
NBA championships? Who six was more impressive in your mind? Uh?
Jordan's because you play more games, you know, And and
you know the other thing too, I mean the Brady
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Super Bowls, they always come down to the wire, right.
I believe this is their largest marginal victory that they've
had based upon a really good defense. I just think,
you know, Jordan's you know, having to play just more games,
you know what I mean, That's what we're looking at here,
being even more consistent over a longer period of time.
It is so hard to mix sports and evaluate who
does what. But but you know, again, and you could say, well,
the level of Tom Brady is playing at at the
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age of forty one dictade and it's great. It's just
Michael Jordan obviously wasn't the same guy, you know, as
he got into his late thirties, and and I understand that,
but I just think Jordan's was the greatest player on
the planet in his sport. One can argue that Tom
Brady is not the best quarterback in his sport, nor
has been for a couple of years. So and even
some years when he was in his prime, you always
heard more about Aaron Rodgers, sometimes kayten Manning, etcetera. So no,
I gotta go with Jordan's. Um, this is pretty intriguing. Uh.
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You mentioned the Tom Brady stat I mean, and this
one's wild for everybody waking up out there. Brady's won
six Super Bowls. He's led a game winning drive in
the fourth quarter or overtime in every single one of
those um and I know there's a lot of talk
about the Patriots dynasty and everything else. Tom Brey, I
think the stat is worth hitting. Tom Brady was drafted
in sixth round, a hundred and ninety nine overall, and
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his signing bonus was thirty eight thousand, four hundred dollars.
Julian Edelman, who got the m v P last night,
drafted as the twenty seven pick in the seventh round.
That's barely getting into the draft at all, two hundred
and thirty second overall. In two thousand nine, he wins
the m v P. The Patriots have done an incredible
job finding value where others have not in order to
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maintain this dynastic run. I think Edelman's story is not
as well known, him being a seventh round pick and
leading to where he is now now a Super Bowl
m VP and potentially a future Hall of Famer depending
on how he finishes out the season. It's pretty phenomenal,
isn't it. It's pretty great. I think future Hall of
Famer is quite the reach, to be quite honest with you,
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As a Hall of Fame voter, I'm surprised to be
surprised if he gets in the final fifteen at any point.
I know he had a great Super Bowl. I also
know who was the p D violation in this the
first four games. And it is interesting that the NFL
they disqualified players from making the Pro Bowl if you
have a p D violation, but apparently you can still
win Super Bowl m v P in the same season.
I wonder if that's something that the league would look
at if they want to try to continue to put
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teeth into their drug testing policy. So that all that
being said, he's a fantastic slot receiver. He's the guy
who who picks up all the underneath stuff. He's West Welker.
It's better than West Welk, or more reliable than West
Welker was. He's just a better player, and he's he's
perfect for this system. To The Patriots were ahead of
the curve. Remember when they signed Julian Edelman. Teams weren't
looking too much for shifty slot guys like him. They
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identified a player who had certain physical talents and attributes
and a mindset of a guy who's simply gonna outwork
everybody to get to where he is. Whether that's their
p E D s or not, that's another story altogether.
And that's on his resume, you know, just like Tom
Brady the playing football's. I mean, all these things are
there on the public lescords. But you know, incredible game
last night. And look the guy doesn't drop passes. That's
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the thing about it. Be so reliable. I mean, we're
going to always come back to Super Bowl forty six
right now. Wes Welker dropping that path, that's part of
his legacy. Julian Edelman doesn't do that, you know. I mean,
if he's to excel at what he does and and
kudos to him and again perfect system for him as well,
playing like he does in New England? Did you feel
cheated ultimately that this was not the Saints on the field?
And do you agree with me that there's no way
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Drew Brees would have looked as out of sorts deer
in the headlights esque as Jared Goff did at times
if the Saints had been there, correct? I think that
I think that you know, Drew Mind, with his experience,
probably wouldn't been able to adjust better. I think that
he's just at that point in his career where he
can recognize more things than I think Jared Goff is
getting there. Remember there were seven number one overall picks
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that had previously won Super Bowls, and and Jared would
have been the eighth, and he would have been by
far the youngest. I mean sometimes, look, it's not always
Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger as who immediately win these types
of games, you know, early on in their career, and
they're carried by their teams, you know, sometimes to take
several years to get going. But I think that has
that type of experience. I also wondered to get run
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the based decision not to prepare for the crowd noise.
He didn't really play much this week. Did that have
any effect on it as well? Because it seemed a
lot of times at that Ram's offense was really hurried
to try to just try to, you know, run a play.
Some people by be listening to us right now, who
are headed to the Atlanta airport. How would you assess
the overall Atlanta airport scene the day after the Super Bowl?
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Probably the fifth layer of hell um, you know, but
I mean, and and it's it's long. I'm about to
get those security guys. I gonna have to hangd up
here in a second. But I mean, look, it's definitely
if you're if you have a six o'clock flight, leave
now to the airport. You know what I'm saying, that
type of thing, and it's just but again, it's a
lot of folks getting out of here. You know, good
week by Atlanta and I've been a Super Bowl Cities.
Everything was CONVENI was downtown, you know they did. They
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did a solid job. I mean, beautiful stadium. Then by
the way, those concession prices were amazing. Two dollar hot dogs,
five dollar peers. I mean it was. It was very
cool part to blank in the Falcons to keep the
regular season pricing for the Super Bowl outstanding. Stuff is
always Alex Marvez, good luck with to travel home. We'll
talk to you next week probably that is Alex Marvez
at Alex Marvez on Twitter. Be sure to catch live
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editions of OutKick the Coverage with Clay Travis weeknights at
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This is the best of out kicked the coverage with
Clay Travis on Fox Sports Radio. What an intriguing Super
Bowl that also managed to be absolutely awful. Let me
explain what I mean. I think the number one takeaway
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we're going to have when all is said and done
years from now about this Super Bowl is that Tom
Brady got his sixth championship. Now, maybe Brady is gonna
go on and win his seventh championship, but for now,
I think we have created the number one debate for
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the next decade in sports media, and that debate is
going to be whether or not Tom Brady or Michael
Jordan's is the greatest team sport athlete of their Eras now,
some of you out there are gonna be difficult and
you're gonna say, what about Bill Russell. He's got ten right,
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whatever it is. It's a different era. You're playing in
a ten team NBA. There's not the same level of competition.
Bill Russell was never the best player in the league.
That was Wilt Chamberlain. This, I think is a really
interesting debate that is going to go on for years
and years to come, unless Brady goes out and wins
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another Super Bowl and gets to seven. If you don't
believe me, I put up the poll question last night
seven hours ago, who is the greatest team sport athlete
Tom Brady or Michael Jordan's. With forty five thousand votes in,
you guys are evenly exactly even fifty percent of you
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saying Tom Brady, fifty percent of you saying Michael Jordan's.
You can go vote on that on my Twitter account
at Clay Travis, but will unpack that in the days,
the weeks, the months to come. That, however, remains the
most significant outcome I believe of one of the worst,
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if not the worst, from a pure entertainment perspective, Super
Bowl of my lifetime. On top of that, I believe
what else will be remembered about this season is people
may forget the exact year, but I think the non
call on the past interference penalty at the end of
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the Rams Saints game is going to continue to loom
over this season. I think people will remember as much
about that non call as they did about this game.
And I believe where we got cheated. Clearly the UH
Saints should have been in this Super Bowl, but where
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we got cheated was Jared Goff was not up to
the challenge of being in this Super Bowl, going head
to head with Bill Belichick, having two weeks to prepare.
He just wasn't. And I know Sean McVeigh took blame
for getting out coached, and I think we have audio
of that. Let's play Sean McVeigh saying he got out coached.
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I'm pretty numb right now, but definitely I got out
coach and I didn't do nearly good enough for a
football team. You know, the thing that's so tough about
all of this is that you know the finality to it.
You know, usually when you get a chance, if you
go through some adversity, he can bounce back right away.
This one's gonna stick with you in just things in
your gut. And like I said, I'm still kind of
numb right now, but I have so much love for
these players in these coaches, and that's where you know
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it eats actually because you feel like he didn't do
your part to help them. Okay, that's Sean McVeigh, and
that's a straight up response from him to say he
got out coached. I think certainly he did not get
Jared Goff to play well, but I think Jared Goff
was a disaster out there on the field. He missed
a lot of throws. The interception he threw on the
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final drive, the final time that the Rams were going
to have the football was just an atrocious decision. And
I think time after time when he had chances to
make plays, he couldn't do it. He had a man
streaking down the center of the field. Credit to mccordy
for getting over there and making a play on the
ball that should have been a touchdown. He waited too
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long to throw the ball. There were a lot of
things that Jared Goff, when he goes back and watches
this film, will recognize that he was just fooled on
that he didn't make the throw in time. Now, Brandon
Cooks dropped the pass. That was a pretty good throw
that maybe he should have caught. But the interception was
just a disaster, an awful decision by Jared Goff. Why
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do I say we got cheated because I don't think
Drew Brees would have been confused like this. Drew Brees
might not have played great, and he ultimately may not
have won this game for the Saints, but I don't
think that given how many games he's played in Bill
Bellett check would have been capable of coming out and
completely confusing him, like we saw from Jared Goff. Having
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said all that, the Patriots did what the Patriots have
done for most of the Brady Belichick era. They found
a way to win. They found a way to win
because Tom Brady willed them to victory. This is a
crazy stat Tom Brady now has won six Super Bowls.
In all six, he has led a game winning drive
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in the fourth quarter or overtime. I want you to
hear that again because it is such a remarkable statistic.
In all six Super Bowls that he has won, Tom
Brady has led a game winning drive in the fourth
quarter or overtime. That is beyond a shadow of a doubt, improbable, incredible,
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the kind of data point that makes you sit back
and just right raise your eyebrows. This ten point victory
is the most that any one of the Super Bowls
has been won by the Patriots. Every other one was
a one score game, including the ones that they lost.
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This was, I think again, just a major statement for
Tom Brady's long term legacy in in the aspect of
getting to six overall wins. What else did we have.
We had what I believe was an incredible performance by
Julian Edelman that won him the Super Bowl MVP. He
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was flat out uncoverable. Now. I know some people out
there are fired up about the fact that Julian Edelman
had a four game suspension for peds to start the season,
but that's football. There are lots of guys, for whatever reason,
in baseball, we spend the rest of their career questioning
how this guy could ever end up using peds. In football,
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we don't even blink. And as a result, Edelman was
uncoverable on the field, even though the Patriots don't have
a lot of offensive weapons. In the wide receiving game,
there was almost no one else who even caught a
pass As a wide receiver for the New England Patriots.
You knew where Brady was going, you knew what he
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was going to do, and I think when you look
at the overall stats in this game, that makes Edelman's
performance all the more impressive. Guys receiving yards, obviously, Gronkowski
made a couple of plays. Cordurell Patterson was the only
other wide receiver for the New England Patriots to make
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a catch Cordurell Patterson had two catches for fourteen yards.
Julian Edelman was the only other wide receiver out there
on the field making plays for the Patriots. He had
ten catches for a hundred and forty one yards. The
rest of the Patriots wide receivers combined for fourteen yards receiving.
You knew where Brady was gonna try to go with
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the football, and he was still able to get open.
Julian Edelman was Rob Gronkowski late, big time playmaker. That
catch to set up the only touchdown of the game
was extraordinary. Uh. Great catch, great throw by Brady. Uh. Ultimately,
this was a defensive struggle. The Patriots had to make
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one play and they did it. The Rams had to
make one play and they never did it at all.
I thought, also, when you look at this game and
you think about the larger context of what it means
for the Patriots outside of Tom Brady individually, you could
make a strong argument that when you consider the length
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of time, that the Patriots are the greatest dynasty in
the history of sports. And really it's also an interesting
question does a dynasty record lire more than two guys
because the only two people connected to the Patriots for
all six Super Bowls are Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.
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And that's why the the Jordan's versus Brady argument I
think is so intriguing because probably the best argument you
can make in favor of Jordan's is that Jordan's was
never paired for the entirety of his career with the
greatest head coach in the history of the game. Right
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when you really break it down, Phil Jackson was very good,
but I don't think very many people out there would
say he was the greatest coach in the history of
the game. Whereas I don't think there's any doubt that
Bill Belichick is the greatest coach in the history of
the game. So, uh so all of that conspiring, this
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will be a great debate for years to come. Also
for Jordan, people right now are out there saying, well,
you know, Jordan's he was he was six and oh
in the finals. But I don't think that's a fair
argument because do you really punish a guy for getting
to nine Super Bowls? Would it be better for Tom
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Brady's legacy if he had never made the other three
Super Bowls and he had gone six and oh? Straight
up in the Super Bowl. Maybe, But I think that's
lazy thinking because it would mean that Brady would have
had to lose before he got to the Super Bowl,
and that all three of those losses, for instance against
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the Eagles last year, it would have been better for
Brady's legacy if you're making that argument, if the Patriots
had lost to Blake Bortles and the Jacksonville Jaguars. Does
that make any sense at all when you really break
it down in terms of the Brady versus Jordan's argument.
Jordan's lost to the Orlando Magic in the playoffs in
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the mid of the midst of that six championship UH
run in eight years. People forget that he came back
early and that he was eliminated in the playoffs, and
people forget it because it didn't happen in the NBA finals.
Would it have been better if Brady had managed to
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lose earlier in the playoffs and not make the Super
Bowl before he lost? I don't think so. And again,
Brady has won six Super Bowls and he's had a
game winning drive in the fourth quarter or overtime in
every one of those games. And you think about super
Bowl titles now, Tom Brady by himself has the same
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number of titles as the Pittsburgh Steelers have in the
history of their franchise, Dallas Cowboys in San Francisco, forty
Niners have five each, the Packers and the Giants have
four each, and the Broncos, the Redskins, and the Raiders
have three each. One more point that I think is
worth discussing. A lot of people out there making the
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argument that, um, well, Jared Goff and Sean McVeigh, they'll
be back to the Super Bowl again, Guys, I'm not
sure other than h John Elway. In the modern era,
most of the time, when a quarterback loses in the
Super Bowl, he does not come back and win a
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Super Bowl again. Now, Jared Goff is very young, He's
only twenty four years old, and certainly he expects to
be back in the Super Bowl one day. Uh. And
there was the talk that was going on between McVeigh
and Goff there on the field at the end. You
could see McVeigh whispering to Golf, probably saying something about how, hey,
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we'll be back again. Great job this season. This is
on me, not on you. Don't let this get you down.
Most of the time, even when guys are older, they
become shelves of themselves for a little while. And there's
a massive Super Bowl hangover when a guy loses in overtime.
And even if you're a relatively young quarterback, that legacy
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of losing the Super Bowl seems seems to hang over you.
Look at what happened to Cam Newton. I don't know
if Cam Newton will ever get back to the super Bowl,
but certainly losing the way the Carolina Panthers did in
the Super Bowl seemed to hang over Cam Newton for
a while. Look at Matt Ryan after the Falcons gave
up the three lead. To his credit, they got into
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the playoffs the next year, but that legacy seems to
still be kind of hanging over him, of burning and
losing that game. Look at Steve McNair. Guy quarterbacks the
team to within a yard of the Super Bowl never
gets back there again, even though he was relatively young
when he got to the super Bowl. Then, most of
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the time, if you lose your first super Bowl, you
don't come back and end up winning the super Bowl again. Now,
obviously you can point to John Elway and say, well, Elway,
did he lost his first several, but that's the exception
rather than the rule most of the time, because it's
so difficult to make the Super Bowl. A guy gets there,
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he loses, he doesn't come back and make plays in
the years ahead that helped to erase the sting of
this defeat. I'm gonna bring in the crew when we
come back. I will also open up the phone lines
to allow you guys to react to everything you saw
in the super Bowl and talk about the halftime show.
I thought that was mediocre, too bad. We can talk
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about the UH commercials, which I thought were also mediocre
to bad. I thought, in totality, this was as bad
of a super Bowl as we have seen from a
pure entertainment perspective in a very long time, if not
the worst of my lifetime. Now it's still a super Bowl,
was still entertaining. But when my four year old turns
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to me during the Super Bowl and says, Dad, can
we put on Paul picture, It's better not necessarily a
good sign, because he thought the Super Bowl was so
boring and nothing was happening in it that he wanted
me to put on Paw Patrol. Be sure to catch
live editions of Outkicked the coverage with Clay Travis weeknights
at eleven p m. Eastern eight pm Pacific on Fox
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. I'm sure
there's a lot of people out there who want to
say it. I thought the Patriots were dead. I bet
against them against the Chargers. I said they would lose.
I bet against them against the Chiefs. I said they
would lose. I bet against them against the Rams. I
said they would lose. I was wrong. It's rare that
I admit that I was wrong, but I was wrong.
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I didn't think the Patriots are very good this year.
I still, honestly, I don't think the Patriots were that
good this year. They lost a five non playoff teams.
They went eleven and five in the regular season. But
you know what, they found a way to win. Thank
you d Ford for lining up off sides. You allowed
this Patriot dynasty to continue. You allowed Brady to get
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into the Super Bowl and win the title. And you
get Tom Brady close to the Super Bowl, and by
and large, he finds a way to win the championship.
And one question that was looming out there was what
was gonna happen with Rob Gronkowski. He addressed that after
the game, and we still don't have definity definitive outcome here,
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but to me, it sounds a little bit like he's
leaning towards making this his final, uh final season. But
here's that audio. Tonight, it's about celebrating with my teammates,
and that decision will be made in a week or two,
you know, down the future, because tonight, that's what's about,
is celebrating with my teammates. And that's why I'm worried
about tonight. And we're gonna have a good time. Bill
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told me he's partying tonight, so you know it's gonna
be good. When Bill Belichick is party, you know it's
gonna be good. Let me go to a couple of
your calls, uh, dub Where should I go? First? We
got Leo in Vermont? Leo? What's up? Solid start by
the callers? Leo? Are you ready to go? Let's let's
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try Kevin in Culver City. Yeah, Kevin and Culver City?
What's up? Kevin? Hey? What's up? Clay? You know I'll
make a tradicition out of this every Super Bowl. I
gotta give you a call, and uh, you know, don't
get mad at yourself man, you had the right pick um.
I was all on the Rams. And you know I
had such a big bet on this game. I'm talking thousands.
I was gonna buy Rachel Bannetta a car to get
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my shoutout tomorrow. But you know I looked at this game.
I said, Jared Golf, fourteen points left on the board,
the first throw, the overthrow, Come on, you gotta make
that throw. Don't double pump it in any interception. That
game should have been fourteen to ten rams. I'll get
ready to touchdown to SNDY Michelle to play the ground.
But you gotta give way Phillips credit. That was a
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great coach game by that decent. I mean, Sean McVeigh,
you're giving Todd Gurley ten carries in the Super Bowl.
You gotta look yourself in the mirror and say, hey,
did you get it done? Did you get the ball
to Girlely to get it twenty to twenty five carries?
So it was on off, but McVeigh left along the field.
Bill Collar said that a half time that opens up
the play. Actually that's the same thing I said. So,
I mean, you know, Sean McVeigh has got to know
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how to coach better to to, you know, open it
up a little bit and not make it so predictable
for Belichick. Yeah, I appreciate the call. I agree with
you that that when you consider what Wade Phillips did.
If you had told Sean McVeigh before the game, hey,
your defense is gonna hold the New England Patriots to
thirteen points, I think he would have said, we're gonna
win by double digits. Because, by the way, the over
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under in this game closed at fifty six and didn't hit.
At least I had the under, so I won something
on this Super Bowl. Uh, they're only sixteen total points.
That's the biggest under hit in thirty years of NFL football.
The under hit by forty points. I think if you
had told them that's what we're gonna do when it
comes to the over under, everybody would have been ecstatic
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about that. Right you tell Sean McVeigh that you're gonna
hold the New England Patriots and Tom Brady in the
Super Bowl the thirteen points, I think he would have
bet every dollar he has that his team was going
to find a way to score fourteen. And I think
you're right. Look the big miss by Jared Goff that
would have changed the game in a big way had
a wide open receiver. UM and Tony Romo pointed out
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another big miss by UH by Jared Goff on a
deep deep post. I think it was or a deep
end route. I'm not sure exactly. With about eight minutes
to go on third down and long, I also their
second down and long. I also think the call there
on holding was the wrong call. And I don't want
to belabor the point on NFL officiating, but Todd Gurley
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got a big run. If you remember, with about nine
or ten minutes to go cross midfield, the Rams had
a first and ten and they called a non hold
to bring back the the the Ram offense there. I
don't understand how you continually have calls that are not egregious. Again,
make sure that it's a hundred percent of penalty or
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let these guys play. There weren't a lot of fouls called,
but there were still a lot of miscalls, and I
just I don't get that in the grand scheme of things,
say a couple more of your calls. Who you got
for me? Dub We got CB in Pasadena, CB in Pasadena,
what's up? CB? Right? Thank you? For a call screener
and um, um, first of all, my condolences go on
to Georgia W. H. Bush, you know, and his family.
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It was a beautiful funeral, uh President Um, but you know,
all of the president funeral was like a month ago.
So I mean, I appreciate you giving condolence. I'm sure
his family really appreciates getting the condolences this morning, but
that funeral was like a month ago. Right, you've been
in a cryogenic Chamberson. It's been about it's been about
three weeks. But you know, I just have to give
my condoless out and then I have to give my
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condoless out to the Rams. This is where I was
going with that. That's my segue. Uh's a bad sec
to the other player. Yeah, and then the poor Rams,
you know, thirteen to three. Yeah, it was a dull
kind of game. It was a good defensive game. You know,
I didn't see any electricity out of the All right,
we gotta hang up on CB. That's a bad call.
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When you start off, you're trying to make your point.
You're like, hey, I gotta give condolences to the Bush family,
so you can make a condolence to the Rams. That's
a bad open, my man. President, former president has been
dead for for nearly a month. The bad's a rough reach.
It's a bad reach. I gotta cut you off. Not
a good argument to be made. I can't trust your
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opinion after that bad of it opened. Anybody else still
waiting online? Dub Yeah, we got Tommy down in Florida.
Tommy down in Florida, Tommy, Please don't start off with
condolences for former president. Was a bad guy, has a
bad car. Now Here's here's the point I'm gonna make
about what you're saying with the whole Michael Jordan's thing.
I think you're actually selling Brady a little bit short.
The greatest thing that he's done, in my opinion, is
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the distance between win strong argument, yeah, strong arm. The
guy that you should be comparing him to is actually
Jack Nicholas. Nicholas won his first major and sixty two
and his last one in eight six. That's twenty four years.
Brady one his first title of what oh one, and
now that's eighteen year difference that I mean, like Bradshaw
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Bradshaw one. They're all in like six years. Jordan's like
eight years, Kobe's like six or seven years. That's the
most impressive thing, because Brady's playing with players that some
of them were like what in elementary school when he
was winning. It's incredible that that's a strong argument. That's
a good call, that's a very good call. The longevity
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of Brady's dominance in a sport where longevity is rare,
I think definitely helps him a tremendous amount in our
goat status debate, because most truly extraordinary athletes have a
peak window of six to eight years where they are
the best in the world at what they do, and
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then that peak window kind of disappears. That's an argument,
by the way, in favor of Lebron to that he's
had such a long stretch of dominance. But the differences
in brady sport every single snap. People are trying to
injure you substantially. Jack Nicholas twenty four years between major
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wins is a good one, but nobody's lining up to
hit Jack Nicholas when he's trying to make a putt.
Brady has been getting hit by the biggest, strongest, most physical,
battest men on the planet for nearly twenty years, and
he's still showing up hanging in the pocket and making
the throws that are necessary to win championships. And by
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the way, I think he's gonna be back and extend
that reign of dominance even longer. I used to be
a Tom Brady hater. I've shifted into admire like first
grudging admiration, now to the point where I just think
you have to appreciate greatness. And it's possible that Tom
Brady is the greatest team athlete, individual player in a
team sport of all time. I don't think that's an
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outlandish comment at all. I would say that Brady's six
championships are more important and impressive than Michael Jordan's six championships.
And I think Brady versus Jordan's has definitely passed Jordan's
versus Lebron as by far the most interesting greatest of
all time debate. I just tweeted this out, but we've
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gotten nearly forty five thousand of you have voted who
is the goat, Tom Brady or Michael Jordan's and it's
a dead heat after forty four thousand votes on my
Twitter page, fifty of you saying Tom Brady, of you
saying Michael Jordan's be sure to catch live editions of
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I would kick the coverage with Clay Travis weekdays at
six am Eastern three a'm Pacific. I just tweeted out
um a story that I I I just want to
hit this off the top here. We're obviously breaking down
Jordan's versus Tom Brady now that both men have got
six championships, But CNN just tweeted out a story. This
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is a real story. Why are Adam Levine's nipples fine
for air? But two thousand four's wardrobe malfunction made Janet
Jackson a pariah for years? That's the question some fans
are asking after the Super Bowl. Well, I think an
easy answer would be there aren't billion dollar companies built
around the idea of seeing men topless. Because I'll tell
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you this right now, if somebody wants to pay me
to pose topless in any magazine, especially pose me, pay
me a lot of money, I'll be happy to do
it now. I thought that Janet jackson uh nipplegate back
in two thousand four was an overreaction, But the idea
that a man shirtless is the same thing as a
woman shirtless, there's kind of a big difference. Kind of
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a big difference there. Right, men will spend their entire
lives trying to see as many women topless as they can. Right,
women don't care at all about seeing men topless. Maybe
I'm wrong in this, Maybe the male nipple needs to
be protected. We need some some pasties everywhere we go.
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But the answer is because men desperately want to see
women topless and women don't really care that much about
seeing men toppless. The answer is go to any pool
in America and see what the reaction is if a
woman walks around topless compared to a man walking around topless.
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God bless CNN. Uh, that is incredible, But we are
breaking down Super Bowl fifty three halftime show. I didn't
think it was very good. Commercials I thought were awful.
Everybody's trying to be so woken the commercials. Nobody tries
to be funny anymore. It's like, just sell me your product,
all right, entertain me, make me laugh. I thought the
best commercial. I thought there are a couple of decent commercials.
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I thought the commercial for Stella, which featured the dude
and carry from Sex in the City, I thought that
was pretty good. Uh. In character there. I thought that
was really outstanding. Um. I thought the bud Light ad,
which also intersected with Game of Thrones. You all know
I'm obsessed with Game of Thrones, love that show. I
thought that was pretty good. Um. But but in general
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I didn't think the half to the commercials are very good.
I thought that the NFL hundred year anniversary or whatever,
where all the players were chasing around the football, I
thought that was pretty outstanding. But in general, I didn't
think the commercials are very good. I think the game
was very good. It's a defensive struggle, but it was
a defensive struggle where you felt like, especially the Rams
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left a lot of plays on the field, Jared Goff
missed a lot of throws, and it was just an
ugly performance overall. At the end, though, Tom Brady one
got the Super Bowl, gets the six and three all
time in the Super Bowl, and I think in the
process created the next great sports debate that will be
going on for the next decade or more or and
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that is gonna be Tom Brady versus Michael Jordan, who
is the greatest of all time? And that's our poll
question up got nearly fifty thousand votes in it right
now dead heat fifty jordanst Uh for Uh, Michael Us
for Tom Brady. A couple of stats that I think
are worth the breaking down. Tom Brady and Bill Belichick
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now have thirty combined playoff wins. The next closest combined
number of playoff wins for a coach and quarterback is fourteen. Um.
Over the course of his Super Bowl run, Tom Brady
now has covered eighteen years. Caller earlier pointed out Jack
Nicholas went twenty four years between major wins. That kind
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of gives you a sense for how long Brady has
been at the top of his game. Julian Edelman really
the only weapon that the Patriots had in the passing game.
Everybody else was blanketed. Julian Edelman ten catches a hundred
and forty yards. He was your m v P. Obviously,
also got suspended for pets before the season started. For
the people out there who believe the Patriots are eternal cheaters,
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that's more evidence for you. Second best receiver, Couardurel Patterson,
only had two catches for less than twenty yards. Obviously,
Rob Gronkowski made a big time play late. He was
the second leading receiver for the New England Patriots. Will
see whether or not Gronk is gonna end up retiring.
Um I got to apologize to the Patriots. I didn't
believe in them. I think this is probably the worst
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team since the first team to win the title for
the Patriots uh to win the Super Bowl. But that's
a credit to Brady and Belichick. They got here. They
got the win over the Chargers, they got the win
over the Chiefs, and they got the win over the Rams.
I think that this Patriot team not very good relative
to the standards set by other Patriot teams. But you
know what, the eighteen and oh Patriot team was the
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best ever. They lost Eli Manning and the Giants, and
the team that also lost to the Giants again and
the team that lost to the Eagles. I think all
three of those Patriot team that lost in the Super
Bowl were better than this one. But you remembered for
the games that you win, and the Patriots found a
way to get it done. I want to bring in
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the crew. I would say this also as my number
one takeaway. I think we got cheated out of Drew
Brees versus Tom Brady, and I'm gonna think this for
a very long time to come. I don't believe that
Tom Brady that that Drew Brees would have been anywhere
near as confused as Jared Goff was in this game.
Drew Brees and the Saints may have lost, but Drew
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Brees was not gonna look like a deer in the
headlights like Jared Goff often did. I think Drew Brees
would have made a lot more plays. I think he
would have been prepared for what he saw on the
defensive side of the ball because he's played a lot longer.
I thought that Jared Goff and Sean McVeigh got exposed,
and there's a lot of people out there that are
gonna say, well, Jared Goff is young, you'll probably come
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back and win another Super Bowl. I would just say this,
it's rare for a guy to lose in the Super
Bowl and then come back and win one. Most guys
win their first Super Bowl if they are going to,
whether it's Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Payton Manning, Tom Brady,
Brett Farve, you run through that list, Aaron Rodgers, everybody
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who has won a Super Bowl since all the way
back to John Elway has won the first time they
have gotten there, or they've never won one. Elway is
the last only quarterback in the last thirty years of
the NFL to lose in the Super Bowl and come
back the first time he goes and come back and
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win it. I don't know whether it's the pressure like
a Cam Newton or Matt Ryan feels when they lose
one of these Super Bowls, but it seems like there's
a big hangover, whether it's Dan Marino, Boomerisias and Jim Kelly,
Neil O'donnald Drew, so Steve McNair, carry Collins. Like I said,
Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, if you'll lose the first time
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you go to the Super Bowl, odds are you're not
gonna get back and ever win again. And that's unfortunate
and it hangs over everybody's head and it stinks. But
the odds are against Jared goth ever winning a Super
Bowl now, they just are. It's hard to get there
and again. The only guy in the last thirty years
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who has gotten to the Super Bowl lost the first
time he went there and then come back to win
a Super Bowl is John Elway. It takes a lot
of mental toughness to pull it off. Let me bring
in the crew, Danny G What stood out to you
the most about this about this game? I think the
most frustrating part of the game to me was that
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the field never seemed to open up. The spacing obviously
so tight in the game until the Patriots scored their
late touchdown. Gilmore was all over the Rams receivers and
even Tracy Wolfson was swallowed up, almost dying. Yeah, that
was that was great. When she was trying to speak
with Tom Brady, I felt cloustrophoe, but kind of like
(33:09):
I was on the airplane to Atlanta all over again,
with a large woman sitting next to me on the plane.
So that's the thing. I was just waiting, come on,
let's open it. I thought in the second half there
would be a lot more scoring, and it just never happened. Also,
obviously you're talking commercials. I agree with you on Marshawn
Lynch with his piece of cake bud Light versus the
Game of Thrones commercial was tremendous. I also think Jason
(33:31):
Bateman's elevator car shopping commercial a little underrated. That one
stood out to me, and as far as halftime. Why
was it not just an Outcast show at halftime? I
think East Point in College Park should have been the
focal point of the show. Where was Andre three thousand
when we really needed don't know if he refused to
be on, but I wonder whether Outcast would have been
(33:52):
able to to reunite there. I know because because I
know he kind of has been doing the acting thing.
But Adam Levine taking his shirt off and being squirmy
on stage, he seemed like a broke Freddie Mercury. To me.
It was just awkward. Yet he doesn't have moves like
like like Jagger. Yeah, I think the answer is no,
you don't have moves like It would have been cool
(34:14):
if they could have gotten make Jagger to come out
and when they did, uh, you know, moves like Jagger.
Now I gotta ask you really quick because you picked
the Rams to win, and now you're saying that you
wish the Saints were in the game, but really we're
just too Brandon Cook's key plays away from the Rams
having a big shot in that game. I mean that
drop touchdown pass at the end of the game that
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was death to the Rams. And obviously earlier golf was
late on that throw to the back of the end zone.
So had the Rams squeaked out a win, would you
still feel like you got ripped off not having the
Saints in the game. No. I mean I think that
they had made a couple of big plays, things would
fill differently. But they didn't even if they played. Because
you're talking Brady the goat versus Jordan, Well, Brady didn't
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play good last night either. Yeah, but he played phenomenally
last year and they lost. I mean, that's how super
Bowls work. That's why it's so hard to win them,
is sometimes the quarterback can go out and be phenomenal.
Brady was I think the greatest passing performance in the
history of the Super Bowl last year, if I'm not mistaken,
and his defense couldn't stop him at all, and so
as a result, he ended up losing what were last
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year forty two. So I mean that's you're comparing team sports.
I mean, I couldn't imagine Jordan ever losing to a
Nick Foles team. You might say, well, you can't compare
the two sports, well exactly, So this entire debate is
very difficult because how do you compare two different sports? Well,
easily because we do it all the time. We do
it all the time, but it doesn't always make the
(35:40):
most sense. Yeah, you can't compare airs either, and yet
we sit around all the time. That bugs me when
people try to this debate to be infinitely better discussion
in debate is Jordan's versus Brady now instead of Lebron.
I'll give you that. I agree. I agree with you there,
but I just don't know if you have thirty years
of this on the ray. Oh, I'm gonna do it
(36:01):
for the next years. Yeah, I'm gonna make ten million
dollars a year debating Jordan's versus uh, Jordan versus Brady,
like Skip Bayliss does doing Jordan versus Lebron? What else
stood out to you, dub What stood out to you
in particular from the from the Super Bowl? It was
kind of a win for the old timers. You got
the old defensive minded coach coaches and Wade Phillips and
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Bill Belichick absolutely dominating their side of the ball. I mean,
holding this Rams team to three points. It's got to
be the greatest performance from Bill Belichick that I've seen. Yeah,
and and it's a bounceback performance for Bill Belichick because
last year the discussion was about Malcolm Butler and why
he wasn't in the game and why they couldn't get
a stop against Nick Foles, and how the evolution of
the game had totally changed. And then you get Jared
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Goff just shut down completely. I said in the earlier
in the show, if you told me, if you had
told Sean McVeigh that they were going to hold the
Patriots the thirteen points, I think he would have put
like multiple fingers on the line, right, like you can
chop my finger is off. If we're not gonna to
score thirteen points and lose has to kind of sicken Uh,
(37:06):
Sean McVeigh. It's one thing to lose, But if they
had gone out and they had lost thirty five to
thirty one, I think he'd be like, okay, you know,
like they just had a little bit more playmaking at
the end. And Uh, in in a season where he
won a game fifty four to fifty one, to lose
three to nothing, basically, to lose thirteen to three and
get held to three points has to really kind of
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stick with him. What about you, Roberto? What stands out well?
When the Rams were winning everybody wanted the next Sean McVeigh.
Everybody said how great McVeigh was and how golf is
just along for the ride. But now that the Rams loss,
it seems like more of the blamess to be on golf.
But McVey supposed to be the boy wonder, the boy genius,
and he seems like he didn't drew up enough explosive
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plays for the Rams to win the game. Yeah, I mean,
I think he drew up the plays. I think they
just didn't get executed. I mean, I'm sure when they
go back and look at the film, there's a lot
of opportunities to make plays out there that Jared Goff
just didn't make. He's a young quarterback. I think the
moment was too big for him. I still think there's
something going on with Todd Gurley, and we haven't spent
a lot of He only got ten carries for thirty
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five yards. If you've got a young quarterback, why wouldn't
you rely on C. J. Anderson and Todd Gurley. I
don't understand what happened with Gurley in this playoffs in general, Um,
something is wrong with him. I just you can't tell me.
The guy who scored twenty three touchdowns, gets ten carries,
maybe a couple of catches, isn't even a part of
the offensive game plan. I need to know what happened
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with Todd Gurley that made this completely uh turn, made
him turn into an afterthought. I mean, he should have
been the workhorse back in my mind, and there has
to be an injury. There has to be some sort
of a pitch count that he was on based on
that injury, and just nobody wants to admit it. Even
signing C. J. Anderson and using him as much as
they have, It doesn't make sense to me that Todd
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Gurley doesn't get those carries in the Super Bowl with
everything on the line, and also in the Super Bowl
with everything on the line, in a game where it's
not like the rams were down and you had to
go to the passing game. It just doesn't make any
sense to me at all. All Right, we come back.
We'll talk with Alex Marvez. He set to join us
breaking down super Bowl fifty three. In the final segment
(39:15):
of the show, we have got let's go ahead and
play this. Do you have this cute up, Danny G
I want to let people start thinking about this, so
um I uh am on a television show called Lock
It In. And as part of Locking In, we make
gambling picks on the show. And I made a huge
bet on the Super Bowl based on whether or not
they would mention the age difference between Jared Goff and
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Tom Brady during the game. Okay, and during the game
they put up the pictures of the guys. They did
the seventeen year challenge. It's been seventeen years since Tom
Brady won his Super Bowl and they put up the
pictures and this is what it sounded like, and let's
do the seventeen year challenge. Well, you see, seventeen years ago,
(40:00):
Tom Brady looked bolder. I think Sean McVeigh looked like
he was kindergarten and Jared Goff was in kindergarten? Was
Jared Goff was in kindergarten? All right? And they put
up the pictures of both those guys. I actually want
to pull the crew right here, do you guys think? Well, actually,
I'll ask you really quickly. Now now let's save it.
(40:21):
I'll pull you guys. So they said Jared Goff was
in kindergarten. They haven't paid out this this prop bet yet,
should that count as mentioning the age difference. To me,
there is no argument that should. If they pay it out,
then I win the week on Lock It In and
I am the King. If they don't pay it out,
then I lost, and we're waiting to see whether or
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not that is going to count. Fox Sports Radio has
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within the I Heart Radio app. Go ahead and bring
in Alex Marvez. Your number one takeaway was amazing, right.
I mean, twenty seven of sixty plays that the Los
Angeles Rams ram went for negative or zero yards, half
(41:08):
of what was the eleventh most prolific scoring offense in
NFL history during the regular season. Half of their plays
went nowhere or backwards. And we could talk about how
bat Jared Goff was, that Todd Gurley is not the
same guy. The offensive line looked terrible, YadA, YadA, yah.
All that is a discredit to what the New England
Patriots did on defense. They were absolutely fantastic. I mean,
(41:28):
did the Ram string together more than two good plays?
I mean how many times? Right play? I mean, it
was just it was a brilliant performance and an incredible
send off for Brian Flores, even though if you watch
the broadcast you may not know who he is since
Tony Romo and Jim Man's decided to ignore him. But gosh,
I mean, he was absolutely awesome working with Belichick to
this game. Clim mean, if your Miami Dolphins fan, why
do you feel a little bit better today that this
(41:49):
guy is gonna become your head coach? I understand that argument,
but we've seen this an awful lot of times where
Belichick assistants have left and been awful, whether it's Matt Patricia, Romeo, Cornell,
char Early, Wise, uh Man Man Genie, like you just
basically run through the list, Josh McDaniels. Belichick is a
great coach who creates an opportunity for everybody to excel.
(42:11):
I understand the reason for optimism anytime you hire a
new coach. I just haven't seen anybody leave the Belichick
coaching tree and me think, Wow, this guy is unbelievad.
I mean, Bill O'Brien is the most successful coach to
ever leave the Belichick coaching tree, if you don't want
to count Nick Saban going all the way back. But
in the since he's been at the Patriots, and I
don't think a lot of people in Houston are like, oh,
Bill O'Brien is the greatest coach of all time, but
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he's by far the most successful. So I understand the
reason for that, but I'm not willing to be that
excited if I'm a Dolphins fan over this higher because
of this game. Um. Having said that if Sean McVeigh
had known that his team Wade Phillips was gonna hold
that team in the Patriots to thirteen points, how confident
do you think he would have been that he was
(42:54):
gonna win? Of course, he's a confidence play. I mean, seriously,
you know, I mean thirteen points, you're off and again
five seven point scored during the regular season. I mean,
and you put up thirty on the road. I guess
it was against uh against New Orleans and twenty seven
or so, twenty six against the Cowboys. I mean, they
were scoring points, they were finding ways to get it done.
They made a judgments during games. They never found an answer.
(43:16):
So what it was that that be a Patriots are
doing on deep and listen Austin blythe and and John
Sullivan the center and right guard. They were pretty miserable right.
The right side of that offensive line was hourrendous in
the Patriots were smart that is where they attacked right
because Andrew Woodworth is still pretty darn good at left tackle,
Roger's Apple really good at left guard. The way that
they attacked this team was the right side of the
offensive behind. I would imagine some major upgrades that Rams
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have to look at having there to get a little
bit more protection, particularly at center John Sullivan and older
players in his thirties. But now they did a great
job and listen better in secondary as well. And what's
crazy was when the lost Patrick Chung, they didn't skip
a beat. I mean, the guy broke his form. He's
a really good safety, but you know when when he
got hurt, it didn't count. It didn't work against them.
I mean, just just so well coached. I mean they
were they were really good. I mean they were really
(44:01):
last night, all right. Jared Goff was not really really good.
In fact, he was the opposite. These are the guys
who have lost in the Super Bowl since basically Marino
as some of the guys Marino, Dan Marino, Boomerissias, and
Jim Kelly, Neil, O'Donnell Drew bled so Steve McNair, Carry Collins,
Cam Newton, Matt Ryan among them. The only player in
(44:23):
the last forty years to lose his first Super Bowl
and come back to win a later Super Bowl is
John Elway. If you were betting right now, do you
believe Jared Goff will come back and win a Super
Bowl one day? I will, because I'll tell you this.
I mean, I think about the odds. He's twenty four
years old, so you figured that the guy has got
(44:45):
at least ten more seasons as an NFL starter, right,
And I think the Rams are pretty well learned the
organization now, and I think Sean McVeigh will learn from
this experience and they will continue to get better. Has
to continue to get better, right, And you know, maybe
this it was weird because the game wasn't too big
for him when we look at what happened and against
the Saints, right, the guy let it come back. He
was fantastic, But you just felt maybe the Super Bowl
it was a little bit too big form. You know,
(45:06):
you saw that pass at the end interset the but
Stephon Gilmore terrible forms. This technique fell apart as the
game went on, and that's something okay, is that the
Patriots defense is at a symptom of feeling the pressure
of being in a Super Bowl. I mean, those things
are significant, but again, I think with the supporting cast
that they have in the in the type of coach
Sean mcveay, is that ultimately he will be back. And
remember this too, It isn't like a Matt Ryan where
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you lose Kyle Shanahan and the offense take seven steps back.
Right in this case, you know Sean mcday is going
to continue to be the play caller and it's going
to continue to work with him. How did the great
quarterbacks in the NFL developed, They keep comminuity when it
comes to their coaches. You're gonna have that continuity with
Sean McVey and Jared Goff. That's why I feel pretty
good about the young name learning from this and getting back.
At some point, we're talking to Alex Marvez at Alex
(45:48):
Marvez on Twitter, why was Todd Gurley not more featured?
You know that the word was behind the scenes that
that his knee just isn't right. You know, he'll dispute
that and deny that, and the Rams will dispute that
and deny that. We'll find out there's a surgery in
the offing somewhere. What's happened is that girl has become
a little bit of a I don't say one trick pony,
but teams don't respect him running between the tackles. But
they've been doing is popping in c J Anderson. He's
(46:09):
been the guy that runs between the tackles and he
did a lot for one past last night J and
got open. But but I'll tell you the you know,
with Gurley, they just couldn't get him on track on
the outside. The interested such a great job covering the perimeter,
you know, keeping him in between and just not making
sure he couldn't get out there. He was rendered pretty ineffective.
And listen, I was a little bit surprised that he
got the all prond considering that he didn't play the
(46:31):
final couple of weeks of the season. What a great
year is zek Elliott had. He can make an argument
for say Kamon Barkley. But you talked about guys on
a little bit on the hot seat to produce. Coming
into two thousands and nine, the nine team season, I
think Todd Girl is going to be one of them.
I mean, have we seen the best of this guy.
I hate the judge based upon Sea games, especially if
we find out he was injured and that might be
the reason. But other than that, play really disappointed end
(46:51):
to what had been a fantastic year for him. Do
you think Rob Gronkowski retires? Yeah, you know, talking to
him before the game, he just seemed so happy with
what he was doing. I think there have to be
a couple of things here though. Are the Patriots can
to adjust his salary, Are they gonna let Gronk be
Gronk in the offseason, those types of things. I think
that's a huge consideration for him. And well, they guaranteed
that they're not going to trade him this year. I mean,
you know, all of those things go into it, you know,
(47:13):
the Patriot way. As soon as you show any sign
to being vulnerable physically on the decline, usually they get
rid of you. Right now, maybe there are special broncles
because it was a relationship with Tom Brady and the guys.
Still a fantastic blocker, and he did have juice last night.
He was beating those linebackers, you know for the rams
and one on one coverage and you know, but again
you're counting on this guy being healthy for an entire season,
and that's just really a lot to ask from Gronk.
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So the question is that he does want to keep
playing well at the end of the scenario where the
Patriots are accepting of the things that he's gonna want,
because he, as he said, he's not going to play
for another organization. He is only going to play for
the New England Patriots. Remember he was threatened to retire
last year after the Detroit Lions, you know, tried to
make the trade for him, and he said that's not happening.
So a lot of things in play here with Gronk,
ope of the Patriots or nothing. I will sell you that.
(47:56):
We're talking to Alex Marvez. He's at the airport leaving
Atlanta right after Super Bowl fifty three last night. Brady
now has six Super Bowls. Michael Jordan won six. Uh
NBA championships? Who six was more impressive in your mind? Uh?
Jordan's because you play more games, you know, And and
you know the other thing too, I mean the Brady
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Super Bowls, they always come down to the wire, right.
I believe this is their largest marginal victory that they've
had based upon a really good defense. I just think,
you know, Jordan's you know, having to play just more games,
you know what I mean, That's what we're looking at here,
being even more consistent over a longer period of time.
It is so hard to mix sports and evaluate who
does what. But but you know, again, and you could say, well,
the level of Tom Brady is playing at at the
(48:37):
age of forty one dictade and it's great. It's just
Michael Jordan obviously wasn't the same guy, you know, as
he got into his late thirties, and and I understand that,
but I just think Jordan's was the greatest player on
the planet in his sport. One can argue that Tom
Brady is not the best quarterback in his sport, nor
has been for a couple of years. So and even
some years when he was in his prime, you always
heard more about Aaron Rodgers, sometimes kayten Manning, etcetera. So no,
I gotta go with Jordan's. Um, this is pretty intriguing. Uh.
(49:00):
You mentioned the Tom Brady stat I mean, and this
one's wild for everybody waking up out there. Brady's won
six Super Bowls. He's led a game winning drive in
the fourth quarter or overtime in every single one of
those um and I know there's a lot of talk
about the Patriots dynasty and everything else. Tom Brey, I
think the stat is worth hitting. Tom Brady was drafted
in sixth round, a hundred and ninety nine overall, and
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his signing bonus was thirty eight thousand, four hundred dollars.
Julian Edelman, who got the m v P last night,
drafted as the twenty seven pick in the seventh round.
That's barely getting into the draft at all, two hundred
and thirty second overall. In two thousand nine, he wins
the m v P. The Patriots have done an incredible
job finding value where others have not in order to
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maintain this dynastic run. I think Edelman's story is not
as well known, him being a seventh round pick and
leading to where he is now now a Super Bowl
m VP and potentially a future Hall of Famer depending
on how he finishes out the season. It's pretty phenomenal,
isn't it. It's pretty great. I think future Hall of
Famer is quite the reach, to be quite honest with you,
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As a Hall of Fame voter, I'm surprised to be
surprised if he gets in the final fifteen at any point.
I know he had a great Super Bowl. I also
know who was the p D violation in this the
first four games. And it is interesting that the NFL
they disqualified players from making the Pro Bowl if you
have a p D violation, but apparently you can still
win Super Bowl m v P in the same season.
I wonder if that's something that the league would look
at if they want to try to continue to put
(50:28):
teeth into their drug testing policy. So that all that
being said, he's a fantastic slot receiver. He's the guy
who who picks up all the underneath stuff. He's West Welker.
It's better than West Welk, or more reliable than West
Welker was. He's just a better player, and he's he's
perfect for this system. To The Patriots were ahead of
the curve. Remember when they signed Julian Edelman. Teams weren't
looking too much for shifty slot guys like him. They
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identified a player who had certain physical talents and attributes
and a mindset of a guy who's simply gonna outwork
everybody to get to where he is. Whether that's their
p E D s or not, that's another story altogether.
And that's on his resume, you know, just like Tom
Brady the playing football's. I mean, all these things are
there on the public lescords. But you know, incredible game
last night. And look the guy doesn't drop passes. That's
(51:09):
the thing about it. Be so reliable. I mean, we're
going to always come back to Super Bowl forty six
right now. Wes Welker dropping that path, that's part of
his legacy. Julian Edelman doesn't do that, you know. I mean,
if he's to excel at what he does and and
kudos to him and again perfect system for him as well,
playing like he does in New England? Did you feel
cheated ultimately that this was not the Saints on the field?
And do you agree with me that there's no way
(51:31):
Drew Brees would have looked as out of sorts deer
in the headlights esque as Jared Goff did at times
if the Saints had been there, correct? I think that
I think that you know, Drew Mind, with his experience,
probably wouldn't been able to adjust better. I think that
he's just at that point in his career where he
can recognize more things than I think Jared Goff is
getting there. Remember there were seven number one overall picks
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that had previously won Super Bowls, and and Jared would
have been the eighth, and he would have been by
far the youngest. I mean sometimes, look, it's not always
Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger as who immediately win these types
of games, you know, early on in their career, and
they're carried by their teams, you know, sometimes to take
several years to get going. But I think that has
that type of experience. I also wondered to get run
(52:12):
the based decision not to prepare for the crowd noise.
He didn't really play much this week. Did that have
any effect on it as well? Because it seemed a
lot of times at that Ram's offense was really hurried
to try to just try to, you know, run a play.
Some people by be listening to us right now, who
are headed to the Atlanta airport. How would you assess
the overall Atlanta airport scene the day after the Super Bowl?
(52:34):
Probably the fifth layer of hell um, you know, but
I mean, and and it's it's long. I'm about to
get those security guys. I gonna have to hangd up
here in a second. But I mean, look, it's definitely
if you're if you have a six o'clock flight, leave
now to the airport. You know what I'm saying, that
type of thing, and it's just but again, it's a
lot of folks getting out of here. You know, good
week by Atlanta and I've been a Super Bowl Cities.
Everything was CONVENI was downtown, you know they did. They
(52:56):
did a solid job. I mean, beautiful stadium. Then by
the way, those concession prices were amazing. Two dollar hot dogs,
five dollar peers. I mean it was. It was very
cool part to blank in the Falcons to keep the
regular season pricing for the Super Bowl outstanding. Stuff is
always Alex Marvez, good luck with to travel home. We'll
talk to you next week probably that is Alex Marvez
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