February 5, 2019 • 40 mins
On today's edition of The Best Of Outkick the Coverage, Clay dives into the Anthony Davis trade saga, speaks with Mark Schlereth, and tells you why the Julian Edelman PED suspension isn't that big of a deal!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of outkicked the coverage with Clay
Travis on Fox Sports Radio two days until the NBA
trade deadline, and the Anthony Davis drama continues to grow
in the city of Los Angeles. We were just talking
about it at the end of our one. I think
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that Anthony Davis is getting really bad advice here, and
I'm surprised that nobody else, at least not maybe you
guys have heard somebody else pointing it out. I don't
understand why Anthony Davis would want to go to a
Laker franchise that is mortgaging itself to trade for him
when he right now is going to be wedding himself
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to an aging superstar, and otherwise there's not a lot
of great other talent that's out there. Uh, And let
me explain my rationale here. If you have to give
up effectively all of the young talent on the Lakers
and potentially the draft picks for years to come, and
you are signing a long term deal with the Lakers,
Anthony Davis needs to be thinking not about what the
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next three years of his career are going to look like,
but about what the next eight years of his contract
are going to look like. And the younger you are,
the more difficulty you have looking ahead. Right. This is
one of the advantages of age is that when you
are older, five years doesn't seem like that long of
a time, right when you have had a little bit
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of wisdom and you know how fast a year can pass. Oftentimes,
you'll look at what people are doing when they're eighteen
or nineteen years old now, and I say, this is
a guy who's gonna turn forty in April, and you'll
think to yourself, my god, why are you making that decision.
You see this all the time in college athletics, where
guys like, man, I can't. I would transfer, but I
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have to sit out a whole year, And you think
about this. When you're a kid, a year seems like
a long time. Second grade seemed like it took fifteen
years to be done. Right, If you went to college,
your freshman year of college, it's like thirty weeks of
actual class time. A semester seemed like it took forever.
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Because your life is not that long, So a year
when you're eight is a huge percentage of your overall life,
and it seems like it takes a really long time.
I remember being a kid and like third and fourth grade,
and it seemed like a week took forever. Remember being
in a classroom on Monday, when you're excited about watching
a football game on Saturday or Sunday, or when you
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know you've got an exciting weekend coming up, your grandparents
are coming to town and you're gonna get to go
to Chuck E Cheese or something like that. You're sitting
there on Monday. It's like, Oh, Saturday is never gonna
get here. And don't even get me started on Christmas.
Remember how long it seemed like it took for Christmas
to actually get there. When you're a kid and then
you're an adult and you're trying to keep tabs on
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everything and you're buying presence like crazy, It's like, I
can't believe Christmas is already here. Didn't we just have Thanksgiving?
I was just buying these kids presence. I'm just buying
these kids. How willween costumes? It seems like yesterday and
now it's already Christmas? How does it get here so quick? Right?
I think Anthony Davis is following victim here to a
young man's thinking in his decision to want to go
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to play for the Lakers. What I mean by that
is Lebron James, thirty four years old. Body is starting
to break down. He missed an entire month plus of
the season already. Next year he's gonna be thirty five
years old. I think Lebron you may disagree, but I
think Lebron is going to decline fairly precipitously over the
next few years. And his overall abilities. I know he's
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a freakish athlete. I know we haven't seen very many
people like Lebron James, but the amount of games he's
had on his knees on his legs since he got
to the NBA at eighteen years old, I think Lebron's
overall athletic ability is going to start to decline precipitously
in the near future. Now Lebron smarter, he can see
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the game because he's older, He's gotten to be a
better shooter. He's certainly trying to add into his repertoire
a lot more outside shots than he used to take
back in the day. But I think Anthony Davis potentially
is committing to a superstar that is on the backslide
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of his career. It's starting to slide on the backside
down his overall career projections with Lebron James, and in
the process, he's requiring the team that he's gonna go
to to trade all the good young players that he
should want to be playing with. Anthony Davis shouldn't be
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thinking about next year. He should be thinking about the
next five years, and Lebron James is not gonna be
there with him. So why would you if you're concerned
now about the Pelicans not winning championships, why would you
want to go to the Lakers that is giving up
all the good young talent they have stockpiled and potentially
draft picks as well, so that you could be good
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for two years with the Lakers and then find yourself
in the exact same situation, except having signed a long
range deal with the Lakers. It doesn't make sense. If
Anthony Davis is being remotely intelligent about his overall decision making,
he should go to the Boston Celtics. That's the team
that actually is growing and has the good young talent
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to surround him. If you think Janice is gonna re
up with the Milwaukee Bucks, Okay, that could make some
sense if you think the Clippers can go get another
big time piece to put with you, maybe the Clippers
could make more sense. I just don't buy the idea
that the Lakers is a good destination point for Anthony Davis.
And I'll tell you this. The minute this news broke
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last week, everybody wanted to be like, oh, wow, this
is Anthony Davis exerting his power. I actually think it's
the exact opposite. I think Anthony Davis and his representation
know that he has almost no power because he still
is under contract for another year, because the Pelicans have
no necessity to trade him at all. I think all
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the public going public did was put pressure on Magic
Johnson to make a deal, to put pressure on the
Lakers to desperately overpay, because they know if they wait
till the end of the year, then they're gonna be
in the same position they were in in the year's past,
where they've got to make big time moved in order
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to have a championship caliber team. And the pressure is
all ratcheted up. And I'm not sure Lebron James is
that great of a GM because I think Lebron James
is entirely thinking about the next couple of years. Remember,
right now, the Lakers are the number ten seed in
the in the NBA playoff race. They are to game
two teams out of even making the playoffs. There's only
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what thirty two games, twenty nine games, thirty games whatever
it is remaining in the NBA schedule. I just I
don't buy the Lakers as being able to put together
any kind of legitimate team here? Am I crazy Coop
for thinking Anthony Davis is not being very intelligent If
he desperately wants to go to the Lakers, He's thinking
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Lebron James is gonna be and thirty year old Lebron
James for the next several years, when I think it's
much more likely that Lebron is gonna be a lot
worse of a player, and trading all the good young talent.
It seems like the Lakers are mortgaging their future after
spending years to get into this position. Why would you
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mortgage your future just for Anthony Davis? And moreover, why
would Anthony Davis want to go to a team that
has to mortgage its future in order to get him?
It just doesn't make sense to me. I agree with
you on that part. The caveat is I think if
he waits, like if they don't trade him before the deadline,
and they wait till the offseason, and I think that
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they'll realize that the Lakers and I disagree with the
Celtics being the better spot for him, because we don't
know that Kyrie Irving is gonna stay. In fact, I
think Kyrie Irving is gonna leave. And then what do
the what do the Celtics have. I mean, they've got
like maybe a better you know, draft picks, but they
got Jason Tatum, who I guess is a little bit
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better than Kyle Kuzma than with like Jalen Brown. We've
got a lot of young players too that are good.
So yeah, but you're having to trade all those guys
in order to get Anthony daus Well exactly. But I
think that's I think they're offering all those guys because
they're trying to get it done before the deadline. But
I think if they wait to the off season, they'll
realize that or like the Pelicans will realize that they're
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not gonna be getting offers as great as what the
Lakers just sent them with all of those young players,
and then they're gonna have to take something a little
bit less. Yeah, But my point is, think about the
way that we bring you. You may not like Lebron James,
but every time Lebron James leaves, he leaves as an
unrestricted free agent. He's not getting traded, right, um, And
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so as a result, whatever team he's leaving, to me,
what I think happened is Lebron James saddled the Cleveland
Cavaliers with a bunch of bad contracts, right, Because I
don't think Lebron is that good of a GM, because
I think he's always looking only at one year at
a time, which is fine. But there's no way that
Tristan Thompson deserved the money that Lebron James got him
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in Cleveland, right. There's no way that j R. Smith
got the money that Lebron James got him. There's arguably
no way, although somebody would have given it to him,
that Kevin Love deserved what he got in Cleveland. I
think Lebron James uh surrounds the franchise with a bunch
of bad contracts, and then rather than reap what he
has sown, he goes ahead and he jumps to a
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new team that hasn't created the same kind of mistakes
and errors as a management team, uh that the team
he's leaving has. So my point here on Anthony Davis
and thinking like a more intelligent soul is, if you
are really rationally talking to Anthony Davis, you're like, dude,
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you have a year and a half even less than
that left in New Orleans, and then you can go
anywhere you want in the NBA and sign without the
team that signs you having to give up anything to
sign you. If you truly hate playing in New Orleans,
a year and a half is almost no time at all.
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There's a huge percentage of people out there listening to
us right now that hate their jobs with every fiber
of their being. They are going to go in and
continue to work at those jobs for a year and
a half or more, because that's what a lot of
people do with their jobs. You can't tell me that
Anthony Davis's life is that bad as an NBA player
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in New Orleans. I've been to New Orleans. Pretty good town,
right and I would imagine it's an even better town
when you're a superstar making twenty million dollars a year
or whatever the heck he's making now. If you don't
want to commit long range to play in New Orleans
for a variety of reasons, I can certainly understand that.
But you're gonna be twenty six or twenty seven and
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you can leave and you can go around and visit
every NBA franchise with any kind of money that has
it on the table, and you can let them pitch
you on what they're trying to do to build the
championship team like Lebron has done. You know what Lebron
didn't do Anthony Davis. He didn't demand that a team
trade for him and give up all their good young
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assets so Lebron James could go play with a declining
thirty four or thirty five year old player. Lebron needs
Anthony Davis a lot more than Anthony Davis. The needs Lebron,
and I think there's an element of star power here
where Anthony Davis is looking at Lebron James all googly
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eyed as a sixteen year old as opposed to a
grown ass man who's twenty five and should be making
smart decisions for his future. Right. Think about this for
a minute. Anthony Davis is being asked by Lebron to
do something that Lebron himself would never do, right. I
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think Lebron is a lot smarter here than Anthony Davis is.
When Lebron left the Calves the first time, he didn't
demand the Calves trade him with a year and a
half left on his contract to a team that had
to trade all of their good young talent in order
to get him. Lebron went out, did his decision, visited
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with every team, and ended up getting sold by pat
Riley on what he could create with Dwyane Wade and
Chris Bosh if they all went to Miami together. They
didn't make the Heat make a bunch of moves to
get them that handicapped the franchise for years to come.
When Lebron went back to Cleveland, he went back to Cleveland.
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He didn't man that the Heat trade him in advance.
He waited until his contract ran out and then he
was a complete free agent. And the same thing happened
when Lebron went to l A again. We had this conversation.
I said, look, if you're the Calves and you're gonna left,
get left holding the bag like the Calves did. Lebron
makes some trade Kyrie Irving makes him sign all these
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long range contracts that don't make sense. They make sense
in the short term, they don't make sense in the
long term, and then Lebron walks and the Calves get nothing,
and they stink, and they may stink again for the
next decade. Who knows, they have no really strong, good
young talent to build around that you feel very good about.
Lebron didn't do what he's asking Anthony Davis to do.
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A sophisticated guy who's representing Anthony Davis and not also
representing Lebron James. By the way, Rich Paul represents both
these guys. Where is his loyalty line? You couldn't be
a lawyer and represent both these guys, right if I
were right, Because lawyers have conflicts. Somebody would say, wait
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a minute. If you're advising here, you might be advising
Lebron James to do something which doesn't fit the interests
of Anthony Davis. You can't, as a lawyer in a
in a case before the court, be representing both of
these guys simultaneously. You'd be conflicted out. Now, agents are different,
they can represent multiple people, But who do you think
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is more important? Right now to rich Paul Lebron James
and his future, or Anthony Davis in his future. If
Anthony Davis were being really smart and he had really
sophisticated representation, he would sit down with Lebron James and say,
wait a minute, Lebron, you've changed teams twice, right. Bron said, yeah, yeah,
I went to you, I went to Miami three teams. Really,
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if you want to count Cleveland's coming back, you went
to Miami, Yeah, you went to Cleveland, yeah, and you
went to l A. Right, so you've changed teams three times.
How could be ever got traded? How come you never
demanded a trade to the team you went to join.
Really put Lebron on the spot there. Lebron is a
smart guy in terms of thinking in short term and
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making sure his team is good. In the meantime, Lebron
is all about himself. He's all about creating value for himself.
Lebron James never demanded that somebody trade him with a
year and a half left on his contract. Lebron James
never said I refuse, I'm not going to resign with
this team. Lebron James always kept all of his options
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open and then he went to teams that weren't having
to give up any assets at all to get him.
Anthony Davis, if he had sophisticated representation or if he
had really good advisors around him, would say, wait a minute,
why am I doing something that Lebron James himself would
not do. Why am I demanding a trade? Why am
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I refusing to serve out the entirety of my contract?
When if I just stay here for the rest of
this year with the Pelicans and then stay one more year,
I can be an unrestricted free agent at the age
of seven and see what every different NBA franchise can
offer me. And oh, by the way, I can also
get on the phone with other big time NBA free
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agents and potentially pull my own Lebron. What is happening
here is Anthony Davis is allowing himself to be a
pawn in Lebron's game. Instead of recognizing that he's the
king on the chessboard right now because his talent is
still rising and therefore he should be surveying the entire
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board and making moves that dictate he is the king.
He's allowing Lebron James to demonstrate that he Lebron is
still the king, and in his world, Anthony Davis is
just a pawn that he can manipulate. Why is nobody
telling Anthony Davis this? It's an easy question, easy question,
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no matter what you do for a living, ask people
why they want you to do something that they themselves
have never done. Wait a minute, Lebron, you want me
to go somewhere and demand a trade so this team
gives up all their assets so that I go there.
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When if I really desperately wanted to be a Laker,
I could just wait a year and a half and
go join this team with Kuzma, with Ball, with Ingram,
all these good young players. And if you're still as
good as you think you're gonna be, Lebron, then maybe
I'll play with you when you're thirty six or thirty
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seven and be with the Lakers when all these other
good young players have gotten better. Somebody needs to sit
down Anthony Davis and point all this out. Over the
next couple of days. I think he has gotten awful advice.
And I think one reason he's gotten awful advice is
because Lebron James and he have the same agent. And
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I think Anthony Davis got all googly eyed over Lebron
James liking him, and he's not being a sophisticated businessman.
He's not saying the Lebron, wait a minute, you want
me here in l A so badly because you know
you only have a couple of years left, and then
you're gonna leave me with a team that isn't very good.
You're gonna Kevin love me, You're gonna Kyrie irving me.
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And to his credit, Kyrie saw what Lebron was doing.
That's why he got out of Cleveland. He saw that
Lebron was trying to leave him an awful team and
that the Calves were being run not to maximize their
long range potential, but to maximize Lebron Durrant James's short
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term interest. And I don't begrudge Lebron for making all
these decisions that are the best for him, but everybody
else needs to look out for themselves as aggressively as
Lebron is looking out for himself. This is a sophisticated
business decision, and I don't think Anthony Davis is behaving
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in a very intelligent or rational way. As a sophisticated businessman.
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Joy Now by my guy Mark Schlareth that I'm gonna
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hit him with this stat which may blow his mind
as we start off the show. Number of players with
at least six titles in the four major professional sports
leagues Major League Baseball, the NHL, the NBA thirteen, the
NFL one, that's according to Darren Ravell. Does that blow
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your mind? I mean, I think it points to clay
one thing about the National Football League. You know, longevity
obviously is part of the deal, um, But how hard
it is because it's the ultimate team game, and how
many players there are that you have to get on
the same page while willing to sacrifice from one another
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and to do those things. I think it just shows
points to how incredibly difficult it is. And I think
it also you have to understand how the league is constructed.
I mean, this league has been constructed through free agency
and through the collective Barkame agreement to be a modern
day Robin Hood type of league where we steal from
the rich to give to the poor, so we create parody.
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We want parody in this league. And that's the remotable
thing about the doing the Patriots. They're in a league
where parody is is preached and the system is created
to uh, to basically implement parody throughout the league. And
yet you can be a dominant football team for two decades.
It's it's absolutely amazing to be It is pretty extraordinary.
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Um and UH. In this game itself, I felt like,
and I argued yesterday, that we got cheated because there's
no way Drew Brees would have been as overwhelmed by
what he saw defensively as Jared Goff was. Do you
agree with me that Breeze, if he had been out
on that field, would have performed at least better than
Golf in terms of knowing what was going on. Well, yeah,
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in terms of knowing what was going on. But you know,
I always go back to and then handing business. I
mean score in the red zone. When you get the
ball twice in the first two drives in the red zone,
one all the turnover, I mean, put the ball in
the end zone. Take care of your business. Drew Brees
didn't anaturally have a very good game either, albeit against
a very great I mean a great Rams defense, there's
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no question about that, and exceptionally talented defense. But but again,
you know, I use I'm one of those guys that
you are where you are because the decisions you may
had nothing to do with the rest. Making a bad
call had to do with you not handling your business.
And we could sit and wine and cry, and we
can take it to the highest court and we can
demand a replay and all that garbage. That's it's exactly
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what's wrong with our society in general. You know what,
So many people know their rights too. You two people
know their responsibility. Take responsibility for where you are in life.
You guys took a dump in your helmets, and that's
why you didn't get to play in the super Bowl.
That's not the Rams fault, that's your fault. So you
know the what if I don't even care about the
what if? Hell are your business. You'd have been in
there and maybe we've got a better game when you
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look at the way that that the game played out,
um and uh and in particular, Brady making a couple
of late plays, uh, in order as it seems like
it's happened over and over and over again for the
Patriots to win. How many more years? When you watch Brady,
do you think it's realistic for him to play? I mean,
I we talked about this yesterday on walking in. You
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are our guest, and we got the question, do you
think he can play to forty five? Do you think
Brady potentially could play three four more years? Yeah? I do.
I think there's a couple of things to that one. Um.
Ever since he has used in and every quarterback in
the league, by the way, uses Tom House other than
I think Aaron Rodgers is the only guy that doesn't
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use Tom House. Tom House, for those who don't know,
is a pitching guru. Mechanics are throwing mechanics guru. UM
actually caught Hank Aaron seve in the bullpit us in
the bullpit for the Braves. So that's two Tom Houses
and every I mean tons of major leaguers use him.
My own son used him, but all the NFL guys
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used him. And he's a mechanics guy. He creates velocity
through you know, through your feet, so kind of hit
rotation and foot tork creates velocity in the football, and
so he keeps guys arms healthy. He keeps them healthy
throwing mechanics. And Tom Brady right now at one stolen
a ball better than he did. So from that standpoint,
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I don't see this, you know, this precipitous fall like
we saw with Peate Manning who had the neck injury
and the nerve damage. So I don't see him falling
off like that. I think the other thing that leads
me to believe he'll play that long is we watch
him in the regular season, and we watch him manage
himself in games. Tom Brady just refuses to get hitting
in the regular season. He's like, man, I will protect
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my body in the regular season, even if it means
maybe we lose a game. I'm not taking one of
the teeth. Come playoff times, I'll take one of the teeth.
I'm tough enough to do it. But I have under
I understand now what's important, and what's important is getting
myself to January, because in January we can make anything
happen in the football team. How long did it take
you when a season ended in order to feel really
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good again? Like so Brady now has won the Super Bowl.
I'm sure that those endorphins and in the excitement will
eventually weigh off. And as you get older, Uh, it
becomes more challenging, I would imagine to get yourself back
to feeling really good. But I'm curious for you in
the NFL as you aged, did you feel a difference
in how long it took you to get back to
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feeling right in the off season? I mean, you have
to I'm a unique I have a unique kind of
perspective or I'm a unique case studies because you know,
I had twenty nine surgeries while I was Yeah, I
always felt like crap. Um, you know, it's varying levels
of crap. So it was one of those situations where, um,
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you know I was beat up coming into the season. Um,
And that was part of the challenge. You know. One
of the reasons that I was able to play for
as long as I played is because I found the
challenge within the game, Like anybody can play the game
when they feel good, Like, how how good can I
be when I'm injured, when I feel like crap? When
like there is no there's no way that I should
be playing in this game. When there are games I
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played it where I literally couldn't walk on Saturday and
and played an entire game on Sunday and whip Pass.
So I mean, you know, that was a game within
a game, a challenge, but it certainly takes its toll
to thing to me that's more impressive is the mental
aspect of it. You you know one and you and
I have talked about this, not stated by your success,
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but you're willing us to train like like we'd all
play on Sundays. It was just about showing up on
Sunday and play. It's about going through the meetings. It's
about the mental preparation, It's about working out on Monday
through Saturday. That's where you lose kind of your desire
as you get older. You're like, man, my body doesn't
want to do this anymore. I'm tired mentally, physically. And
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the fact that he continues to push himself and to
stay that motivated, that's the thing that I find fascinating
more than anything else. Would you trade for Nick Foles?
There's the report now if you needed a quarterback, there's
a report that the Eagles are going to franchise Nick
Foles to allow them to trade his rights to someone
else in the NFL? Would you buy in right now
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to Nick Foles? Who is I think going to be
probably the number one free agent ish. I know he
might be franchise, but the number one of available player
on the market in this offseason will be falls. I
think it's an interesting question because we've seen the really
good Nick Foles, we've seen the really bad Nick Foles,
and we've seen the Nick Foles in between, and you
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have to ask yourself which one is the real Nick Foles?
And I think probably somewhere in the middle. UM. I
think the thing that you have to understand more than
anything else when it comes to the Philadelphia Eagles is
one UM that system fits Nick Foles. It fits his
i it fits his field for the game, and Doug
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Peterson does a great job of calling plays that that
Nick Foles feels comfortable. And I think the other thing
that you have to understand is when healthy, the Philadelphia
Eagles are probably one of, if not the best offensive
line or all of football. So Nick Foles is protected,
Nick Foles feels comfortable, Like you know, it's It's kind
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of the Denver Broncos chasing case teenum last year in
free agency, they said, we got our quarterback. This is
gonna be great. And tase Keena was great in Minnesota,
but he had you know, he had what Eric Manji
refers to his force multipliers. He had a couple of
force multipliers at the receiver position. He had a couple
of force multipliers in the backfield. He had a force
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multiplier at the tight end position. And so he wasn't
required to elevate everybody else around him. The other people
elevated his play, not the other way around. And I
think that if you put Nick Foles kind of in
the situation where kse Keena went to in Denver, where
he's not protected, they don't have a great offensive line,
they don't have a difference maker at tight end. The
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receivers are getting older. I think you've seen the Nick Foles.
I think you see more of the bottom end of
Nick Foles, not what we've seen the last two playoff runs.
Last question for you, We've seen only one quarterback and
it's a guy you know a little bit, John Elway
lose his first Super Bowl and come back and win
another Super Bowl. UH. In the last forty years of
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the NFL. In other words, it's hard to get to
the Super Bowl. For quarterbacks who lose. It's almost impossible
for them so far in the last forty years to
lose their first Super Bowl, come back and win one later.
Do you think Jared Goff will one day win a
Super Bowl? Just a question? And I think based on
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based on the team they have around him right now,
what they've built. The head coach. You know, it's funny
that all of a sudden, you know, Sean McVeigh went
from you know, this wonder kid to uh, you know,
he can't coach. He got completely outcoached. What he said
in his press conference after the game will carry so
much weight within that locker room when he just kind
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of falls on the sword and says, man, I got
out coached. UM. Guys respect that they call him. And
I talked to Jared Goff about it and several other
of his team, several other of the players on the Rams.
He's the fifty four guy on a roster and when
your coach will jump on the hang garnade and showed
that kind of maturity, um and own the responsibility for
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getting out coach, which he did, there is no question
I think they'll learn from this, I think you'll see
them become a team that doesn't base almost entirely out
of eleven personnel, where they can switch some things up
when things aren't working. Because when they played with the lead,
they've been unstoppable. But when they've had their struggles in
Chicago and several other places, they haven't been able to
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get out of that funk. So I think you're gonna
see this be the the actuator that creates a little
bit better personnel variations and a little bit more depth
of offense. And I think you're gonna see that out
of Sean McVeigh. So I will say, yeah, I do
believe that eventually he'll get back there and win one.
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the coverage with Clay Travis weekdays at six am Eastern
three am Pacific. Interesting story that I think is out
there that points out one of our big hypocrisies in
the world of sports. Julian Edelman wins the NFL Super
Bowl MVP Award and he went to Disney World yesterday
with Tom Brady. They had pictures of him out having
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a great time as his commonplace for whoever wins the
Super Bowl m VP, and Julian Edelman, I think, beyond
the shadow of a doubt deserved Super Bowl MVP ten
catches a hundred and forty yards. The rest of the
New England Patriots wide receiving corps combined for two catches
for fourteen yards, and both those catches were by Cordourell Patterson.
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You heard that right, by the way, not a lot
of discussion about it, but Julian Edelman got ten catches
for a hundred and forty yards. The rest of the
New England Patriot wide receiving corps outside of Julian Edelman
had two catches for fourteen yards, both by Cordourel Patterson.
All right, that kind of puts into perspective how few
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of weapons Tom Brady had in the wide receiving category.
Now Gronk had several catches nearly ninety yards receiving as well,
but he's a tight end. So Julian Edelman win the
NFL Super Bowl MVP, and I don't think anybody out
there really strongly disagreed with that idea. Brady was just okay.
Edelman was the best offensive weapon. Nobody defensively played out
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of their mind. Maybe Stefan Gilmore, you could point to
at a corner other than that, I don't really think
there was anybody high tower. Maybe you point to on
the Patriot Patriot defense that was really in the mix
to be a m v P. Think about the way
we treat Julian Edelman, who missed the first four games
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of this season for a ped violation. He was using
a performance enhancing drug with the way baseball treats it's
guys who are found to have used performance enhancing drugs.
Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are two of the greatest
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Major League Baseball players of all time, maybe the best
hitter and the best picture of their eras it's indisputable
that their overall achievements were increased based on the use
of performance enhancing drugs. But it's also indisputable that even
before the rise of performance enhancing drugs, both Bonds and
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Clemens would have been indisputable first ballot Hall of Famers
that you can go look at their records before they
ever use peds, and there's no doubt now once they
started using performance enhancing drugs, they extended and increased their
overall ability in a way that shouldn't have been possible
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based on what we know about the limitations of the
human body in past years. Right, Yet Baseball Hall of
Fame writers are up in arms over the idea that
either of these guys could ever go into the Baseball
Hall of Fame. Now, maybe they're eventually going to get in,
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but it's become a huge debate in baseball and Hall
of Fame voters are still outraged over the Bonds and
the Clemens of the world. I'm just using Barry Bonds
and Roger Clemens as stand ins for the steroid eight
era in baseball in general. Okay, compare that with the
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number of people who said, man is Julian Edelman a
Hall of Famer in the wake of his performance in
the Super Bowl, And how few people at all even
mentioned the idea of Julian Edelman using and having a
four game suspension. Four pets. Why in football do we
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just immediately turn the page and not even blink at
the idea that a guy could be suspended for performance
enhancing drugs and it has almost no impact on his
long range the legacy, and no one even mentions the idea.
You when there's a discussion about whether a guy should
be a Hall of Famer. Now you can think it's
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crazy that Julian Edelman is being discussed as a Hall
of Fame caliber player. You can consider it to be
a clear example of how we're all prisoners of the
moment in sports. That's certainly a valid argument. But how
intriguing is it that almost no one even brings up
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that he got suspended to start this year for performance
enhancing drugs and compare that with how we respond when
guys get caught using performance enhancing drugs in baseball. In baseball,
it's an eternal stain that will follow you for the
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rest of your career and be a first paragraph mentioned
in your eventual obituary. It's something that can keep you
out of the Hall of Fame forever, even if you otherwise.
Would one billion percent be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
And I'm using Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens as the
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examples of that. A a fielder and a pitcher two
different types of baseball player. Yet Julian Edelman, in the
very same year he gets popped for performance enhancing drugs,
wins the m v P of the Super Bowl and
drives off not in a hun day, who knows what
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he drove off in down to Disney World and he
spent the day pretending to be a Jedi. Is it
just that we look at football players and simply believe
they are all using pets. We look at them physically
and say, my god, there's no way you can be
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that big, that's strong, and that fast and not be
doing something outside the bounds of the rules. Is it
because football players wear helmets and we don't see their faces.
Why as a sporting society do we demand that Roger
Clemens testify before Congress about whether or not he ever
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used performance enhancing drugs? And Julian Edelman gets to go
to Disney World and become the Super Bowl m v
P and almost no one even blinks. Everybody's like, Okay, yeah,
that's sure, that's fine. I don't I don't know that
there's an easy answer. There's maybe a discussion that I
want to carry over to tomorrow show and open up
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the phone lines and take some calls on this. I
think it's an unbelievable hypocrisy the way we hold baseball
players to the standard of man. You better never even
think about using a performance enhancing drug and playing baseball,
and for the NFL, we almost immediately forget I've been
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a lot of you out there right now listening to me,
unless you're big time fantasy football players or your huge
New England Patriot fans had even forgotten that Julian Edelman
was suspended for peds before the season started and missed
the first four games. It's just you don't even care.
It's a blip on the radar screen. Yet if this
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happened in baseball, it would be seismic. Why do we
treat the two sports so differently? Why is Julian Edelman's
ped use a non story and Roger Clemens and Barry
Bonds using peds, using steroids, whatever they used is an unmissable, unmistakable,
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huge red flag on their overall resumes. Not trying to
give you an answer of why that is, because I
think it's indisputable that this is true, that we have
a total double standard in the way we were on
both as media and as sports fans to these stories.
Why is it that baseball is held to such a
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different standard than football, and why is it that baseball
players are held to an entirely different standard than football players?
I don't know that it's irrational or that it makes
any sense at all. I actually want to have a
big discussion about this tomorrow. Why don't we totally give
Julian Edelman a pass. He goes down to Disney World,
pretends to be a Jedi, no one cares. And by
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the way, it's not just Julian Edelman. I'm not trying
to pick on him. There are tons of guys who've
been hit for pet suspensions in the NFL, and most
of them you just strug your shoulders and you don't
even care. Whereas when a baseball player gets hit with
the pet suspension now or certainly historically has been proven
Sammy so Sam mart McGuire, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, the
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outrage is years long and essentially never are ending. In baseball.
In football, it barely even merits a mentioned. And I
just thought of it when I see Julie and Edelman yesterday.
There was a picture of him out dressed up as
a Jedi alongside of Tom Brady at Disney World, and
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everybody's like, oh, look, how cool this is. I'm like,
can you imagine if Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens the
day after they won at a high level. Their MVP
Awards had gone to Disney World and dressed up as Jedies.
What people would have said in those swollen bodies they
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have standing there with their lightsabers. People would have been
out of their minds talking about it, and yet in
football it barely registers. I'm curious why that is. Fox
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This is the best of outkicked the coverage with Clay
Travis on Fox Sports Radio two days until the NBA
trade deadline, and the Anthony Davis drama continues to grow
in the city of Los Angeles. We were just talking
about it at the end of our one. I think
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that Anthony Davis is getting really bad advice here, and
I'm surprised that nobody else, at least not maybe you
guys have heard somebody else pointing it out. I don't
understand why Anthony Davis would want to go to a
Laker franchise that is mortgaging itself to trade for him
when he right now is going to be wedding himself
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to an aging superstar, and otherwise there's not a lot
of great other talent that's out there. Uh, And let
me explain my rationale here. If you have to give
up effectively all of the young talent on the Lakers
and potentially the draft picks for years to come, and
you are signing a long term deal with the Lakers,
Anthony Davis needs to be thinking not about what the
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next three years of his career are going to look like,
but about what the next eight years of his contract
are going to look like. And the younger you are,
the more difficulty you have looking ahead. Right. This is
one of the advantages of age is that when you
are older, five years doesn't seem like that long of
a time, right when you have had a little bit
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of wisdom and you know how fast a year can pass. Oftentimes,
you'll look at what people are doing when they're eighteen
or nineteen years old now, and I say, this is
a guy who's gonna turn forty in April, and you'll
think to yourself, my god, why are you making that decision.
You see this all the time in college athletics, where
guys like, man, I can't. I would transfer, but I
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have to sit out a whole year, And you think
about this. When you're a kid, a year seems like
a long time. Second grade seemed like it took fifteen
years to be done. Right, If you went to college,
your freshman year of college, it's like thirty weeks of
actual class time. A semester seemed like it took forever.
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Because your life is not that long, So a year
when you're eight is a huge percentage of your overall life,
and it seems like it takes a really long time.
I remember being a kid and like third and fourth grade,
and it seemed like a week took forever. Remember being
in a classroom on Monday, when you're excited about watching
a football game on Saturday or Sunday, or when you
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know you've got an exciting weekend coming up, your grandparents
are coming to town and you're gonna get to go
to Chuck E Cheese or something like that. You're sitting
there on Monday. It's like, Oh, Saturday is never gonna
get here. And don't even get me started on Christmas.
Remember how long it seemed like it took for Christmas
to actually get there. When you're a kid and then
you're an adult and you're trying to keep tabs on
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everything and you're buying presence like crazy, It's like, I
can't believe Christmas is already here. Didn't we just have Thanksgiving?
I was just buying these kids presence. I'm just buying
these kids. How willween costumes? It seems like yesterday and
now it's already Christmas? How does it get here so quick? Right?
I think Anthony Davis is following victim here to a
young man's thinking in his decision to want to go
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to play for the Lakers. What I mean by that
is Lebron James, thirty four years old. Body is starting
to break down. He missed an entire month plus of
the season already. Next year he's gonna be thirty five
years old. I think Lebron you may disagree, but I
think Lebron is going to decline fairly precipitously over the
next few years. And his overall abilities. I know he's
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a freakish athlete. I know we haven't seen very many
people like Lebron James, but the amount of games he's
had on his knees on his legs since he got
to the NBA at eighteen years old, I think Lebron's
overall athletic ability is going to start to decline precipitously
in the near future. Now Lebron smarter, he can see
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the game because he's older, He's gotten to be a
better shooter. He's certainly trying to add into his repertoire
a lot more outside shots than he used to take
back in the day. But I think Anthony Davis potentially
is committing to a superstar that is on the backslide
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of his career. It's starting to slide on the backside
down his overall career projections with Lebron James, and in
the process, he's requiring the team that he's gonna go
to to trade all the good young players that he
should want to be playing with. Anthony Davis shouldn't be
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thinking about next year. He should be thinking about the
next five years, and Lebron James is not gonna be
there with him. So why would you if you're concerned
now about the Pelicans not winning championships, why would you
want to go to the Lakers that is giving up
all the good young talent they have stockpiled and potentially
draft picks as well, so that you could be good
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for two years with the Lakers and then find yourself
in the exact same situation, except having signed a long
range deal with the Lakers. It doesn't make sense. If
Anthony Davis is being remotely intelligent about his overall decision making,
he should go to the Boston Celtics. That's the team
that actually is growing and has the good young talent
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to surround him. If you think Janice is gonna re
up with the Milwaukee Bucks, Okay, that could make some
sense if you think the Clippers can go get another
big time piece to put with you, maybe the Clippers
could make more sense. I just don't buy the idea
that the Lakers is a good destination point for Anthony Davis.
And I'll tell you this. The minute this news broke
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last week, everybody wanted to be like, oh, wow, this
is Anthony Davis exerting his power. I actually think it's
the exact opposite. I think Anthony Davis and his representation
know that he has almost no power because he still
is under contract for another year, because the Pelicans have
no necessity to trade him at all. I think all
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the public going public did was put pressure on Magic
Johnson to make a deal, to put pressure on the
Lakers to desperately overpay, because they know if they wait
till the end of the year, then they're gonna be
in the same position they were in in the year's past,
where they've got to make big time moved in order
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to have a championship caliber team. And the pressure is
all ratcheted up. And I'm not sure Lebron James is
that great of a GM because I think Lebron James
is entirely thinking about the next couple of years. Remember,
right now, the Lakers are the number ten seed in
the in the NBA playoff race. They are to game
two teams out of even making the playoffs. There's only
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what thirty two games, twenty nine games, thirty games whatever
it is remaining in the NBA schedule. I just I
don't buy the Lakers as being able to put together
any kind of legitimate team here? Am I crazy Coop
for thinking Anthony Davis is not being very intelligent If
he desperately wants to go to the Lakers, He's thinking
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Lebron James is gonna be and thirty year old Lebron
James for the next several years, when I think it's
much more likely that Lebron is gonna be a lot
worse of a player, and trading all the good young talent.
It seems like the Lakers are mortgaging their future after
spending years to get into this position. Why would you
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mortgage your future just for Anthony Davis? And moreover, why
would Anthony Davis want to go to a team that
has to mortgage its future in order to get him?
It just doesn't make sense to me. I agree with
you on that part. The caveat is I think if
he waits, like if they don't trade him before the deadline,
and they wait till the offseason, and I think that
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they'll realize that the Lakers and I disagree with the
Celtics being the better spot for him, because we don't
know that Kyrie Irving is gonna stay. In fact, I
think Kyrie Irving is gonna leave. And then what do
the what do the Celtics have. I mean, they've got
like maybe a better you know, draft picks, but they
got Jason Tatum, who I guess is a little bit
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better than Kyle Kuzma than with like Jalen Brown. We've
got a lot of young players too that are good.
So yeah, but you're having to trade all those guys
in order to get Anthony daus Well exactly. But I
think that's I think they're offering all those guys because
they're trying to get it done before the deadline. But
I think if they wait to the off season, they'll
realize that or like the Pelicans will realize that they're
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not gonna be getting offers as great as what the
Lakers just sent them with all of those young players,
and then they're gonna have to take something a little
bit less. Yeah, But my point is, think about the
way that we bring you. You may not like Lebron James,
but every time Lebron James leaves, he leaves as an
unrestricted free agent. He's not getting traded, right, um, And
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so as a result, whatever team he's leaving, to me,
what I think happened is Lebron James saddled the Cleveland
Cavaliers with a bunch of bad contracts, right, Because I
don't think Lebron is that good of a GM, because
I think he's always looking only at one year at
a time, which is fine. But there's no way that
Tristan Thompson deserved the money that Lebron James got him
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in Cleveland, right. There's no way that j R. Smith
got the money that Lebron James got him. There's arguably
no way, although somebody would have given it to him,
that Kevin Love deserved what he got in Cleveland. I
think Lebron James uh surrounds the franchise with a bunch
of bad contracts, and then rather than reap what he
has sown, he goes ahead and he jumps to a
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new team that hasn't created the same kind of mistakes
and errors as a management team, uh that the team
he's leaving has. So my point here on Anthony Davis
and thinking like a more intelligent soul is, if you
are really rationally talking to Anthony Davis, you're like, dude,
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you have a year and a half even less than
that left in New Orleans, and then you can go
anywhere you want in the NBA and sign without the
team that signs you having to give up anything to
sign you. If you truly hate playing in New Orleans,
a year and a half is almost no time at all.
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There's a huge percentage of people out there listening to
us right now that hate their jobs with every fiber
of their being. They are going to go in and
continue to work at those jobs for a year and
a half or more, because that's what a lot of
people do with their jobs. You can't tell me that
Anthony Davis's life is that bad as an NBA player
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in New Orleans. I've been to New Orleans. Pretty good town,
right and I would imagine it's an even better town
when you're a superstar making twenty million dollars a year
or whatever the heck he's making now. If you don't
want to commit long range to play in New Orleans
for a variety of reasons, I can certainly understand that.
But you're gonna be twenty six or twenty seven and
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you can leave and you can go around and visit
every NBA franchise with any kind of money that has
it on the table, and you can let them pitch
you on what they're trying to do to build the
championship team like Lebron has done. You know what Lebron
didn't do Anthony Davis. He didn't demand that a team
trade for him and give up all their good young
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assets so Lebron James could go play with a declining
thirty four or thirty five year old player. Lebron needs
Anthony Davis a lot more than Anthony Davis. The needs Lebron,
and I think there's an element of star power here
where Anthony Davis is looking at Lebron James all googly
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eyed as a sixteen year old as opposed to a
grown ass man who's twenty five and should be making
smart decisions for his future. Right. Think about this for
a minute. Anthony Davis is being asked by Lebron to
do something that Lebron himself would never do, right. I
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think Lebron is a lot smarter here than Anthony Davis is.
When Lebron left the Calves the first time, he didn't
demand the Calves trade him with a year and a
half left on his contract to a team that had
to trade all of their good young talent in order
to get him. Lebron went out, did his decision, visited
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with every team, and ended up getting sold by pat
Riley on what he could create with Dwyane Wade and
Chris Bosh if they all went to Miami together. They
didn't make the Heat make a bunch of moves to
get them that handicapped the franchise for years to come.
When Lebron went back to Cleveland, he went back to Cleveland.
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He didn't man that the Heat trade him in advance.
He waited until his contract ran out and then he
was a complete free agent. And the same thing happened
when Lebron went to l A again. We had this conversation.
I said, look, if you're the Calves and you're gonna left,
get left holding the bag like the Calves did. Lebron
makes some trade Kyrie Irving makes him sign all these
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long range contracts that don't make sense. They make sense
in the short term, they don't make sense in the
long term, and then Lebron walks and the Calves get nothing,
and they stink, and they may stink again for the
next decade. Who knows, they have no really strong, good
young talent to build around that you feel very good about.
Lebron didn't do what he's asking Anthony Davis to do.
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A sophisticated guy who's representing Anthony Davis and not also
representing Lebron James. By the way, Rich Paul represents both
these guys. Where is his loyalty line? You couldn't be
a lawyer and represent both these guys, right if I
were right, Because lawyers have conflicts. Somebody would say, wait
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a minute. If you're advising here, you might be advising
Lebron James to do something which doesn't fit the interests
of Anthony Davis. You can't, as a lawyer in a
in a case before the court, be representing both of
these guys simultaneously. You'd be conflicted out. Now, agents are different,
they can represent multiple people, But who do you think
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is more important? Right now to rich Paul Lebron James
and his future, or Anthony Davis in his future. If
Anthony Davis were being really smart and he had really
sophisticated representation, he would sit down with Lebron James and say,
wait a minute, Lebron, you've changed teams twice, right. Bron said, yeah, yeah,
I went to you, I went to Miami three teams. Really,
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if you want to count Cleveland's coming back, you went
to Miami, Yeah, you went to Cleveland, yeah, and you
went to l A. Right, so you've changed teams three times.
How could be ever got traded? How come you never
demanded a trade to the team you went to join.
Really put Lebron on the spot there. Lebron is a
smart guy in terms of thinking in short term and
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making sure his team is good. In the meantime, Lebron
is all about himself. He's all about creating value for himself.
Lebron James never demanded that somebody trade him with a
year and a half left on his contract. Lebron James
never said I refuse, I'm not going to resign with
this team. Lebron James always kept all of his options
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open and then he went to teams that weren't having
to give up any assets at all to get him.
Anthony Davis, if he had sophisticated representation or if he
had really good advisors around him, would say, wait a minute,
why am I doing something that Lebron James himself would
not do. Why am I demanding a trade? Why am
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I refusing to serve out the entirety of my contract?
When if I just stay here for the rest of
this year with the Pelicans and then stay one more year,
I can be an unrestricted free agent at the age
of seven and see what every different NBA franchise can
offer me. And oh, by the way, I can also
get on the phone with other big time NBA free
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agents and potentially pull my own Lebron. What is happening
here is Anthony Davis is allowing himself to be a
pawn in Lebron's game. Instead of recognizing that he's the
king on the chessboard right now because his talent is
still rising and therefore he should be surveying the entire
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board and making moves that dictate he is the king.
He's allowing Lebron James to demonstrate that he Lebron is
still the king, and in his world, Anthony Davis is
just a pawn that he can manipulate. Why is nobody
telling Anthony Davis this? It's an easy question, easy question,
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no matter what you do for a living, ask people
why they want you to do something that they themselves
have never done. Wait a minute, Lebron, you want me
to go somewhere and demand a trade so this team
gives up all their assets so that I go there.
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When if I really desperately wanted to be a Laker,
I could just wait a year and a half and
go join this team with Kuzma, with Ball, with Ingram,
all these good young players. And if you're still as
good as you think you're gonna be, Lebron, then maybe
I'll play with you when you're thirty six or thirty
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seven and be with the Lakers when all these other
good young players have gotten better. Somebody needs to sit
down Anthony Davis and point all this out. Over the
next couple of days. I think he has gotten awful advice.
And I think one reason he's gotten awful advice is
because Lebron James and he have the same agent. And
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I think Anthony Davis got all googly eyed over Lebron
James liking him, and he's not being a sophisticated businessman.
He's not saying the Lebron, wait a minute, you want
me here in l A so badly because you know
you only have a couple of years left, and then
you're gonna leave me with a team that isn't very good.
You're gonna Kevin love me, You're gonna Kyrie irving me.
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And to his credit, Kyrie saw what Lebron was doing.
That's why he got out of Cleveland. He saw that
Lebron was trying to leave him an awful team and
that the Calves were being run not to maximize their
long range potential, but to maximize Lebron Durrant James's short
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term interest. And I don't begrudge Lebron for making all
these decisions that are the best for him, but everybody
else needs to look out for themselves as aggressively as
Lebron is looking out for himself. This is a sophisticated
business decision, and I don't think Anthony Davis is behaving
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in a very intelligent or rational way. As a sophisticated businessman.
Lebron Is, but Anthony Davis certainly isn't. Be sure to
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hit him with this stat which may blow his mind
as we start off the show. Number of players with
at least six titles in the four major professional sports
leagues Major League Baseball, the NHL, the NBA thirteen, the
NFL one, that's according to Darren Ravell. Does that blow
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your mind? I mean, I think it points to clay
one thing about the National Football League. You know, longevity
obviously is part of the deal, um, But how hard
it is because it's the ultimate team game, and how
many players there are that you have to get on
the same page while willing to sacrifice from one another
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and to do those things. I think it just shows
points to how incredibly difficult it is. And I think
it also you have to understand how the league is constructed.
I mean, this league has been constructed through free agency
and through the collective Barkame agreement to be a modern
day Robin Hood type of league where we steal from
the rich to give to the poor, so we create parody.
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We want parody in this league. And that's the remotable
thing about the doing the Patriots. They're in a league
where parody is is preached and the system is created
to uh, to basically implement parody throughout the league. And
yet you can be a dominant football team for two decades.
It's it's absolutely amazing to be It is pretty extraordinary.
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Um and UH. In this game itself, I felt like,
and I argued yesterday, that we got cheated because there's
no way Drew Brees would have been as overwhelmed by
what he saw defensively as Jared Goff was. Do you
agree with me that Breeze, if he had been out
on that field, would have performed at least better than
Golf in terms of knowing what was going on. Well, yeah,
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in terms of knowing what was going on. But you know,
I always go back to and then handing business. I
mean score in the red zone. When you get the
ball twice in the first two drives in the red zone,
one all the turnover, I mean, put the ball in
the end zone. Take care of your business. Drew Brees
didn't anaturally have a very good game either, albeit against
a very great I mean a great Rams defense, there's
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no question about that, and exceptionally talented defense. But but again,
you know, I use I'm one of those guys that
you are where you are because the decisions you may
had nothing to do with the rest. Making a bad
call had to do with you not handling your business.
And we could sit and wine and cry, and we
can take it to the highest court and we can
demand a replay and all that garbage. That's it's exactly
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what's wrong with our society in general. You know what,
So many people know their rights too. You two people
know their responsibility. Take responsibility for where you are in life.
You guys took a dump in your helmets, and that's
why you didn't get to play in the super Bowl.
That's not the Rams fault, that's your fault. So you
know the what if I don't even care about the
what if? Hell are your business. You'd have been in
there and maybe we've got a better game when you
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look at the way that that the game played out,
um and uh and in particular, Brady making a couple
of late plays, uh, in order as it seems like
it's happened over and over and over again for the
Patriots to win. How many more years? When you watch Brady,
do you think it's realistic for him to play? I mean,
I we talked about this yesterday on walking in. You
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are our guest, and we got the question, do you
think he can play to forty five? Do you think
Brady potentially could play three four more years? Yeah? I do.
I think there's a couple of things to that one. Um.
Ever since he has used in and every quarterback in
the league, by the way, uses Tom House other than
I think Aaron Rodgers is the only guy that doesn't
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use Tom House. Tom House, for those who don't know,
is a pitching guru. Mechanics are throwing mechanics guru. UM
actually caught Hank Aaron seve in the bullpit us in
the bullpit for the Braves. So that's two Tom Houses
and every I mean tons of major leaguers use him.
My own son used him, but all the NFL guys
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used him. And he's a mechanics guy. He creates velocity
through you know, through your feet, so kind of hit
rotation and foot tork creates velocity in the football, and
so he keeps guys arms healthy. He keeps them healthy
throwing mechanics. And Tom Brady right now at one stolen
a ball better than he did. So from that standpoint,
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I don't see this, you know, this precipitous fall like
we saw with Peate Manning who had the neck injury
and the nerve damage. So I don't see him falling
off like that. I think the other thing that leads
me to believe he'll play that long is we watch
him in the regular season, and we watch him manage
himself in games. Tom Brady just refuses to get hitting
in the regular season. He's like, man, I will protect
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my body in the regular season, even if it means
maybe we lose a game. I'm not taking one of
the teeth. Come playoff times, I'll take one of the teeth.
I'm tough enough to do it. But I have under
I understand now what's important, and what's important is getting
myself to January, because in January we can make anything
happen in the football team. How long did it take
you when a season ended in order to feel really
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good again? Like so Brady now has won the Super Bowl.
I'm sure that those endorphins and in the excitement will
eventually weigh off. And as you get older, Uh, it
becomes more challenging, I would imagine to get yourself back
to feeling really good. But I'm curious for you in
the NFL as you aged, did you feel a difference
in how long it took you to get back to
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feeling right in the off season? I mean, you have
to I'm a unique I have a unique kind of
perspective or I'm a unique case studies because you know,
I had twenty nine surgeries while I was Yeah, I
always felt like crap. Um, you know, it's varying levels
of crap. So it was one of those situations where, um,
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you know I was beat up coming into the season. Um,
And that was part of the challenge. You know. One
of the reasons that I was able to play for
as long as I played is because I found the
challenge within the game, Like anybody can play the game
when they feel good, Like, how how good can I
be when I'm injured, when I feel like crap? When
like there is no there's no way that I should
be playing in this game. When there are games I
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played it where I literally couldn't walk on Saturday and
and played an entire game on Sunday and whip Pass.
So I mean, you know, that was a game within
a game, a challenge, but it certainly takes its toll
to thing to me that's more impressive is the mental
aspect of it. You you know one and you and
I have talked about this, not stated by your success,
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but you're willing us to train like like we'd all
play on Sundays. It was just about showing up on
Sunday and play. It's about going through the meetings. It's
about the mental preparation, It's about working out on Monday
through Saturday. That's where you lose kind of your desire
as you get older. You're like, man, my body doesn't
want to do this anymore. I'm tired mentally, physically. And
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the fact that he continues to push himself and to
stay that motivated, that's the thing that I find fascinating
more than anything else. Would you trade for Nick Foles?
There's the report now if you needed a quarterback, there's
a report that the Eagles are going to franchise Nick
Foles to allow them to trade his rights to someone
else in the NFL? Would you buy in right now
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to Nick Foles? Who is I think going to be
probably the number one free agent ish. I know he
might be franchise, but the number one of available player
on the market in this offseason will be falls. I
think it's an interesting question because we've seen the really
good Nick Foles, we've seen the really bad Nick Foles,
and we've seen the Nick Foles in between, and you
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have to ask yourself which one is the real Nick Foles?
And I think probably somewhere in the middle. UM. I
think the thing that you have to understand more than
anything else when it comes to the Philadelphia Eagles is
one UM that system fits Nick Foles. It fits his
i it fits his field for the game, and Doug
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Peterson does a great job of calling plays that that
Nick Foles feels comfortable. And I think the other thing
that you have to understand is when healthy, the Philadelphia
Eagles are probably one of, if not the best offensive
line or all of football. So Nick Foles is protected,
Nick Foles feels comfortable, Like you know, it's It's kind
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of the Denver Broncos chasing case teenum last year in
free agency, they said, we got our quarterback. This is
gonna be great. And tase Keena was great in Minnesota,
but he had you know, he had what Eric Manji
refers to his force multipliers. He had a couple of
force multipliers at the receiver position. He had a couple
of force multipliers in the backfield. He had a force
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multiplier at the tight end position. And so he wasn't
required to elevate everybody else around him. The other people
elevated his play, not the other way around. And I
think that if you put Nick Foles kind of in
the situation where kse Keena went to in Denver, where
he's not protected, they don't have a great offensive line,
they don't have a difference maker at tight end. The
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receivers are getting older. I think you've seen the Nick Foles.
I think you see more of the bottom end of
Nick Foles, not what we've seen the last two playoff runs.
Last question for you, We've seen only one quarterback and
it's a guy you know a little bit, John Elway
lose his first Super Bowl and come back and win
another Super Bowl. UH. In the last forty years of
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the NFL. In other words, it's hard to get to
the Super Bowl. For quarterbacks who lose. It's almost impossible
for them so far in the last forty years to
lose their first Super Bowl, come back and win one later.
Do you think Jared Goff will one day win a
Super Bowl? Just a question? And I think based on
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based on the team they have around him right now,
what they've built. The head coach. You know, it's funny
that all of a sudden, you know, Sean McVeigh went
from you know, this wonder kid to uh, you know,
he can't coach. He got completely outcoached. What he said
in his press conference after the game will carry so
much weight within that locker room when he just kind
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of falls on the sword and says, man, I got
out coached. UM. Guys respect that they call him. And
I talked to Jared Goff about it and several other
of his team, several other of the players on the Rams.
He's the fifty four guy on a roster and when
your coach will jump on the hang garnade and showed
that kind of maturity, um and own the responsibility for
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getting out coach, which he did, there is no question
I think they'll learn from this, I think you'll see
them become a team that doesn't base almost entirely out
of eleven personnel, where they can switch some things up
when things aren't working. Because when they played with the lead,
they've been unstoppable. But when they've had their struggles in
Chicago and several other places, they haven't been able to
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get out of that funk. So I think you're gonna
see this be the the actuator that creates a little
bit better personnel variations and a little bit more depth
of offense. And I think you're gonna see that out
of Sean McVeigh. So I will say, yeah, I do
believe that eventually he'll get back there and win one.
Be sure to catch live editions of I would kick
(30:46):
the coverage with Clay Travis weekdays at six am Eastern
three am Pacific. Interesting story that I think is out
there that points out one of our big hypocrisies in
the world of sports. Julian Edelman wins the NFL Super
Bowl MVP Award and he went to Disney World yesterday
with Tom Brady. They had pictures of him out having
(31:07):
a great time as his commonplace for whoever wins the
Super Bowl m VP, and Julian Edelman, I think, beyond
the shadow of a doubt deserved Super Bowl MVP ten
catches a hundred and forty yards. The rest of the
New England Patriots wide receiving corps combined for two catches
for fourteen yards, and both those catches were by Cordourell Patterson.
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You heard that right, by the way, not a lot
of discussion about it, but Julian Edelman got ten catches
for a hundred and forty yards. The rest of the
New England Patriot wide receiving corps outside of Julian Edelman
had two catches for fourteen yards, both by Cordourel Patterson.
All right, that kind of puts into perspective how few
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of weapons Tom Brady had in the wide receiving category.
Now Gronk had several catches nearly ninety yards receiving as well,
but he's a tight end. So Julian Edelman win the
NFL Super Bowl MVP, and I don't think anybody out
there really strongly disagreed with that idea. Brady was just okay.
Edelman was the best offensive weapon. Nobody defensively played out
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of their mind. Maybe Stefan Gilmore, you could point to
at a corner other than that, I don't really think
there was anybody high tower. Maybe you point to on
the Patriot Patriot defense that was really in the mix
to be a m v P. Think about the way
we treat Julian Edelman, who missed the first four games
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of this season for a ped violation. He was using
a performance enhancing drug with the way baseball treats it's
guys who are found to have used performance enhancing drugs.
Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are two of the greatest
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Major League Baseball players of all time, maybe the best
hitter and the best picture of their eras it's indisputable
that their overall achievements were increased based on the use
of performance enhancing drugs. But it's also indisputable that even
before the rise of performance enhancing drugs, both Bonds and
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Clemens would have been indisputable first ballot Hall of Famers
that you can go look at their records before they
ever use peds, and there's no doubt now once they
started using performance enhancing drugs, they extended and increased their
overall ability in a way that shouldn't have been possible
(33:38):
based on what we know about the limitations of the
human body in past years. Right, Yet Baseball Hall of
Fame writers are up in arms over the idea that
either of these guys could ever go into the Baseball
Hall of Fame. Now, maybe they're eventually going to get in,
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but it's become a huge debate in baseball and Hall
of Fame voters are still outraged over the Bonds and
the Clemens of the world. I'm just using Barry Bonds
and Roger Clemens as stand ins for the steroid eight
era in baseball in general. Okay, compare that with the
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number of people who said, man is Julian Edelman a
Hall of Famer in the wake of his performance in
the Super Bowl, And how few people at all even
mentioned the idea of Julian Edelman using and having a
four game suspension. Four pets. Why in football do we
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just immediately turn the page and not even blink at
the idea that a guy could be suspended for performance
enhancing drugs and it has almost no impact on his
long range the legacy, and no one even mentions the idea.
You when there's a discussion about whether a guy should
be a Hall of Famer. Now you can think it's
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crazy that Julian Edelman is being discussed as a Hall
of Fame caliber player. You can consider it to be
a clear example of how we're all prisoners of the
moment in sports. That's certainly a valid argument. But how
intriguing is it that almost no one even brings up
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that he got suspended to start this year for performance
enhancing drugs and compare that with how we respond when
guys get caught using performance enhancing drugs in baseball. In baseball,
it's an eternal stain that will follow you for the
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rest of your career and be a first paragraph mentioned
in your eventual obituary. It's something that can keep you
out of the Hall of Fame forever, even if you otherwise.
Would one billion percent be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
And I'm using Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens as the
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examples of that. A a fielder and a pitcher two
different types of baseball player. Yet Julian Edelman, in the
very same year he gets popped for performance enhancing drugs,
wins the m v P of the Super Bowl and
drives off not in a hun day, who knows what
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he drove off in down to Disney World and he
spent the day pretending to be a Jedi. Is it
just that we look at football players and simply believe
they are all using pets. We look at them physically
and say, my god, there's no way you can be
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that big, that's strong, and that fast and not be
doing something outside the bounds of the rules. Is it
because football players wear helmets and we don't see their faces.
Why as a sporting society do we demand that Roger
Clemens testify before Congress about whether or not he ever
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used performance enhancing drugs? And Julian Edelman gets to go
to Disney World and become the Super Bowl m v
P and almost no one even blinks. Everybody's like, Okay, yeah,
that's sure, that's fine. I don't I don't know that
there's an easy answer. There's maybe a discussion that I
want to carry over to tomorrow show and open up
(37:37):
the phone lines and take some calls on this. I
think it's an unbelievable hypocrisy the way we hold baseball
players to the standard of man. You better never even
think about using a performance enhancing drug and playing baseball,
and for the NFL, we almost immediately forget I've been
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a lot of you out there right now listening to me,
unless you're big time fantasy football players or your huge
New England Patriot fans had even forgotten that Julian Edelman
was suspended for peds before the season started and missed
the first four games. It's just you don't even care.
It's a blip on the radar screen. Yet if this
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happened in baseball, it would be seismic. Why do we
treat the two sports so differently? Why is Julian Edelman's
ped use a non story and Roger Clemens and Barry
Bonds using peds, using steroids, whatever they used is an unmissable, unmistakable,
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huge red flag on their overall resumes. Not trying to
give you an answer of why that is, because I
think it's indisputable that this is true, that we have
a total double standard in the way we were on
both as media and as sports fans to these stories.
Why is it that baseball is held to such a
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different standard than football, and why is it that baseball
players are held to an entirely different standard than football players?
I don't know that it's irrational or that it makes
any sense at all. I actually want to have a
big discussion about this tomorrow. Why don't we totally give
Julian Edelman a pass. He goes down to Disney World,
pretends to be a Jedi, no one cares. And by
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the way, it's not just Julian Edelman. I'm not trying
to pick on him. There are tons of guys who've
been hit for pet suspensions in the NFL, and most
of them you just strug your shoulders and you don't
even care. Whereas when a baseball player gets hit with
the pet suspension now or certainly historically has been proven
Sammy so Sam mart McGuire, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, the
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outrage is years long and essentially never are ending. In baseball.
In football, it barely even merits a mentioned. And I
just thought of it when I see Julie and Edelman yesterday.
There was a picture of him out dressed up as
a Jedi alongside of Tom Brady at Disney World, and
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everybody's like, oh, look, how cool this is. I'm like,
can you imagine if Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens the
day after they won at a high level. Their MVP
Awards had gone to Disney World and dressed up as Jedies.
What people would have said in those swollen bodies they
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have standing there with their lightsabers. People would have been
out of their minds talking about it, and yet in
football it barely registers. I'm curious why that is. Fox
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