February 6, 2019 • 56 mins
Clay Travis reacts to the big Sixers / Clippers trade and asks the crew and callers if it's time to panic about LeBron possibly missing the playoffs. Animal Thunderdome has two amazing stories you don't wanna miss and New York Post writer Andrew Marchand joins Clay to talk Adnan - leaks and firing. Plus, Clay asks if Harris' addition makes the Sixers the top dog in the East.
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Sports Radio. You listen to the show yesterday, you know,
I don't think it's smart of Anthony Davis to want
to go to the Lakers, And I laid out exactly why,
but I used Lebron James as an example. I said, look,
when Lebron left the Calves, when Lebron left the Heat,
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and when Lebron left the Calves again, he didn't make
the team that he was joining mortgage it's future in
order for him to join them. He didn't make them
trade away all of their good young talent in order
for him to be on those teams. Lebron knew that
joining a team, it was important to preserve all of
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their assets so they could bring as much good talent
around them in the years around him. In the years
ahead as was possible, but he also left behind oftentimes
wrecked refuge that was not anywhere near championship caliber. Look
at what the Calves look like right now. He way
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overpaid as GM Lebron Tristan Thompson, way overpaid j R. Smith. Arguably,
Kevin Love never deserved the contract that he got. Kyrie
Irving saw all of this coming and he said, I
don't want to be left holding the bag when Lebron
skips town. And he smartly got traded to a better team.
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And now he's going to be a free agent and
he'll be able to go out and look at all
of his options. The smart play for Anthony Davis is
not to be traded now for all of the good
young talent on the Lakers, It's to wait out the
rest of this year and then wait out all of
next year two and be an unrestricted free agent at
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the age of twenty six and be able to do
what Paul George did, be able to do what Lebron
James did, be able to do what Kevin Durant did.
Go join a new team without having to worry about
everything being upset right before your contract comes on, comes
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comes up to market and be able to actually join
a team that still has a lot of assets left
with you. Moreover, again, Lebron James is a declining asset
coming off of a fairly serious injury. Right now, do
we really believe that Lebron James is going to be
good for years and years ahead? Why would Anthony Davis
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want to tie himself down with what might end up
being another mediocre franchise in the Lakers as Lebron James
plays out the end of his career. Remember, the Lakers
have been through this once before and they don't want
to believe history can repeat itself. But at some point,
Lebron James is going to age himself out of excellence.
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We saw it happen with Kobe Bryant. Kobe got paid
way too much money relative to his overall talent, and
I think the same thing is going to happen on
the tail end of this deal for Lebron James with
the Lakers. Lebron does not have a lot of time
to make any moves. He's desperate. Anthony Davis shouldn't be desperate.
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He's got a decade of basketball ahead of him. He's
still climbing the mountaintop. He can still get better. Lebron
James is beginning his ascent. Now maybe it'll be a
slow ascent, you certainly hope. So if you're a Laker
fan or if you're a Laker management, but I'm not
sure about buying in on this, let me bring in
the crew that I'm gonna go to your calls. The
calls by the way, eight seven, seven nine six six
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three six nine, what do you guys think kind of
going forward? Um? And uh we will will obviously be
following this story in a substantial way, Danny g Let's
ask this question, based on what you saw against the Pacers,
do the Lakers have to make a trade because their
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overall team chemistry is so broken? Based on this Anthony
Davis news going public last week and all the public
discussion about where the other Laker players are going to be,
the performance they put forward against the Pacers flat out unacceptable,
likely to be ugly on Thursday against the Celtics as well,
not to mention what might happen over the weekend against
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the seventies Sixers, who will now have to bias Harris that,
by the way, the big trade. If you're just waking
up the seventies Sixers have traded for Tobias Harris. What
do the Lakers have to do get past Thursday? Honestly,
I understand what you're saying, but I think things will
calm down once the trade deadline passes. It's stinks right
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now for Laker fans, but if you can be patient,
which the patient's got thrown out the window once Lebron
joined the Lakers, right because once that happened, the second
superstar was what everybody wanted. And if it doesn't happen
before Thursday, and we still we're not sure what's going
on behind the scenes between Magic and del Demps, so
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who knows what's gonna wind up happening with that? I
think we kind of know. I think that the Pelicans
really really want to see what the Celtics are gonna
lay out in a trade scenario with them, and also
what's gonna happen with the Knicks and where do they
land in the lottery and all that. So if the
Pelicans seriously want to wait, I don't think the Pelicans
are gonna get what they could have got from the
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Lakers if they decide to wait, So then that gives
the other teams the leverage, I think. But that's okay.
If the Pelicans want to be stubborn, let it happen. Now, remember, Clay,
you kind of counted out Lebron last season two. You
you thought he wasn't gonna make the playoffs last season. No, no, no, no.
I don't think I ever said they weren't gonna make
the playoffs. I said that they weren't going to make
the NBA finals. They were never I don't have the
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schedule in front of me right now, but I don't remember.
I remember a point in the season where you were
questioning whether or not he would even advance past the
first round. Yeah, but that's a big difference making the
playoffs or not. I don't think the Calves were ever
out of playoff contention. My point is Lebron when he
needs to, we've seen how he could put a team
on his back. But obviously there's some stuff going on
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in the locker room right now which is really obvious.
And you said it yourself, un lock it in yesterday.
Then it's easy to bet against the Lakers right now
because of the strife. I mean, I would be like you,
you're the leader of this show and if we all
found out that you were trying to get a new
staff and then we still had to come to work
the next day, we wouldn't have harmony. It's human nature.
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But once that trade deadline passes, I think it could
calm down. Before Lebron got hurt, the Lakers were in fourth,
fourth spot in the West, so they can have some chemistry.
It's gonna take weeks to get that back. Right now
after his injury, I think the Lakers are in real trouble.
I think They're gonna lose the next two. I think
they'll fall to twenty seven and twenty nine. That will
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mean that they've got twenty six games left in order
to try to make the playoffs. They could fall into
the eleventh or twelfth place in the Western Conference. I
think this is a big deal. Eddie Garcia, what would
you do at this point? This? This is, by the way,
is why let me say this. I think that Anthony
davis Is representation has fundamentally bungled every aspect of his representation.
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And I would be asking if Anthony Davis was really
sophisticated and intelligent in terms of his representation. He can't
be represented by the same guy as Lebron James, because
Rich Paul's interest in Lebron James is totally different than
what his interest should be for Anthony Davis. Yet it
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seems like Rich Paul is doing everything on behalf of
Lebron James as opposed to Anthony Davis. It doesn't make
sense for Anthony Davis, who was only twenty five years old,
to have the Lakers trading away all of his assets
in order for him to get there. He could be
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twenty six years old and still be an unrestricted free agent.
He only has to finish out this season, which will
be over in the snap of fingers, especially because it
doesn't seem like the Pelicans are going to make the playoffs,
and then he comes back next year, and if he's
not gonna re up with the Pelicans, then they have
to decide to trade him before the NBA trade deadline
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next year or he just plays out his contract. Either way,
he's an unrestricted free agent at the end of next season.
It doesn't make sense for him to demand a trade
right now on his future uh in the NBA. It
makes sense for Lebron James because Lebron is going to
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age quickly, but it doesn't make sense at all for
Anthony Davis. He if he wants to join the Lakers,
he should want the Lakers to keep all of this
good young talent and he can join the Lakers and
know that those young players are there and not have
to worry about everything they gave up to get him.
It just doesn't make any sense. I mean, Mike Crazy
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Eddie Garcia for making this argument. I mean, I think
that that Anthony Davis has gotten really bad advice throughout
this process. I think publicly announcing that you're not going
to resign with the Pelicans was dumb. I think trying
to go public with the fact that you want to
be traded was dumb. I don't think that anything that
that Anthony Davis has got from his representation has adequately
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in any way advanced his cau is. And I hear
almost no one pointing this out and also pointing out
the incredible conflict that his agent has where he's basically
working full throated for Lebron James and that's actually counter
to the interests of Anthony Davis. These two guys aren't
in the same boat. There two different players. I think
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this is an example of Anthony Davis being starstruck. I
think he's thinking about Lebron James like he's a kid. Oh,
it's so great that Lebron James wants to trade for me.
He's thinking about what he thought about Lebron James when
he was sixteen years old instead of thinking about Lebron
James as a sophisticated NBA player at the age of
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He can't go all Google eyes over Lebron wanting him.
He needs to be a calculated businessman. And if that's true,
you don't want anybody giving up assets to get you
because it just mortgages the future of the team you're
committing to. Well, you, you would hope that, you know,
Anthony Davis, being a young guy, could get better advice.
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But as you said, you know, with the agent representing
Lebron as well, Uh, it certainly looks like he's getting
mixed signals. Uh, to say the least. You know, in
the end, the agent is supposed to work for Anthony Davis,
and so Anthony Davis has to ultimately okay this or not.
But yes, it doesn't seem like this is certainly in
his best interests overall. As far as what the Lakers
should do with the situation. It certainly seems like New
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Orleans is going to try their best to take advantage,
you know, of this situation and get you know, I
don't know, like herschel Walker type return from the Lakers.
So even though it's not popular and you think it's
almost counterintuitive to what l A is all about and
wanting star power, you know, and the guys they have
other than Lebron James, there's no real stars in there.
There's some decent players, but they're not stars. You would think,
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you know, get Anthony Davis and be damned about everything else.
But it seems everything that I've read that that the
Pelicans want try to take advantage of the Lakers. That
l A, if they're gonna be smart, they're gonna have
to just not throw everything in the world to the
Pelicans and try and be patient and see if they
can get Anthony Davis later or maybe pass on Davison
trying to build in the off season. What I would
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love to see from a plot twist perspective is the
Lakers trade Lebron James for Anthony Davis. Huge plot twist moment.
I would love Lebron getting shipped for the remainder of
his career to New Orleans, um and Anthony Davis going
out to to l A and Magic Johnson just like
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I mean, coming off like I mean, it would just
be an unbelievable plot twist to suddenly have that story
emerged and kind of making fun of the fact that
the Pelicans have asked for everything from the Lakers. Uh,
what if in the end they were like, hey, we
want Lebron and Lebron got traded out of the out
of the process. I think does Lebron have the ability
to block any trade? Surely he does. Yeah, I'm assuming
he has no trade clause. I just would love that
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that element to see what Lebron's reaction would be if
that if that story got floated. Oh, the Lakers really
want Anthony Davis so much so that they've actually included
Lebron James and Rate talks. That would be Uh, that
would be Lebron thinks he's a chess grand master. That
would be like getting checkmated um by by Magic Johnson.
Would be pretty outstanding. If he's like, you know what,
he's got injury issues, he's starting to age. We're gonna
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ship Lebron to New Orleans. Um, all right, we're gonna
take some of your let me bring in Dub dub.
What would you do here? What would you do if
you are the Lakers? I mean, I think the Lakers
have have so painted themselves into a corner that they
have to give the Pelicans whatever the Pelicans want at
this point in time, which is why I said last
week when this story broke, a lot of people were like, oh,
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look at Anthony Davis. This is such a power move.
I said, no, you guys are completely wrong on this. Uh,
the in terms of the immediate response that was out
there as the national narrative, I was like, this is
a huge benefit to the Pelicans, which again to me
represents and reflects the fact that I believe Anthony Davis
is getting unsophisticated representation by his agent and not being
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led in a very intelligent fashion. Yeah, Lakers have kind
of dugged themselves a little hole here, and but I
kind of agree with Danny G. Just get through Thursday.
This team needs the All Star break more than any regroup.
Like Danny G said, they were fourth in the West
before Lebron's injury. If they're still struggling a week or
two after all Star Break, then it's time, you know,
maybe push the panic button a little bit. But until then,
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I'm I'm betting on Lebron so that that's wanted to do.
What though, I mean, he's gonna make the playoffs in
my opinion. I mean, but I don't know. If you
make the playoffs as an eight seed and get swept,
is that really like matter? Well, no, it doesn't. But
I'm thinking they could maybe get to a five or
six seed if if they can come together and and
get back playing the kind of basketball they were playing
prior to Lebron's injury. I understand that argument, but if
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you just look at the standings right now, they are
a long way from being a five or six seed.
I mean, and you just do the math. They're going
to lose, I believe. I mean, it would be a
big upset if they beat either the Celtics or the
seventies sixers on the road in the next two games.
So if you assume that they're gonna lose those two games,
which I think is fair, they would then fall to
twenty seven and twenty nine. That might drop them all
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the way to potentially the third Let's see what right now,
they're the ten seed. Uh, then there's obviously only eight
teams to make the playoffs. They could they could fall
all the way to twelve by the time the All
Star Breakers here could happen, might not, but could happen,
and then in order to make like catch Houston, they'd
be like eight games back potentially of Houston to be
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able to get back to that four or five line,
and they'd only have twenty five games left to play.
That's almost impossible. I mean, we're talking about best case
scenario them getting into the seven or eight seed line
probably and not even that being necessary. Now, maybe you
could give the Denver Nuggets a run, but I think
everybody out there right now would say the Golden State
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Warriors would probably sweep the Lakers in the playoffs. Maybe
the Lakers win one game in that series and boom,
Lebron is done and he's done really early. And that's
assuming he even makes the playoffs. We're trending to awards
this being a disastrous decision by Lebron James to go
join the Lakers. Let me take some of your calls.
Jim in North Carolina, what's up, hey, Clay? I love
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your show. Appreciate that. Yeah, I just say from from
from the Lakers standpoint, this thing going public with Anthony
Davis is probably going to create a more of a
disaster because now now everyone knows, so New Orleans is
gonna try to get as much as they can. I
don't think it's gonna happen. And then as far as
like the schedule, I don't see him making the playoffs. Yeah,
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schedule is too tight, and uh, you know, they just
they don't have any cohesiveness as a team. It's a
it's a five on five game, not just a one
on one. So I think my answer off the year, yeah,
I mean one. I mean you have to question how
healthy is Lebron because this whole situation was strange about
him coming back to play against the Clippers and then
he needs personal day, he needs more recovery time, so
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he doesn't play against the Warriors. That was strange. You
sit out a month, you come back for one game,
and then you sit out another game, and now he's
on the road, gets dominated. The worst beating of Lebron
James's career, the Pacers put on the Lakers last night,
and obviously remember that's the Pacers without Victor Oladipo. It's
not like we're talking about a stacked Pakeer Pacers team.
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You know, the the Celtics are gonna be out for
blood on Thursday. You know also that the seventies sixers
now with Tobias Harris. That's the big news if you're
waking up, the seventies Sixers have traded for Tobias Harris.
If that happens, You've got a lot of different moving
parts here that are gonna be pretty fascinating to see.
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I mean, and it was, uh, the second night of
a back to back last night for the Pacers as well,
so it's not like the Pacers had, you know, four
days to get ready for the Lakers coming to town,
and we're incredibly rested. They won by forty two on
the second night of a back to back without Victor Oladipo.
Paul and Fargo. What's up, Paul, he Clea, Thanks for
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the call. I hope you're having a good I've been
a Laker fan since the Magic Johnson days, although I'm
not a big fan of Lebron for many of the
reasons that you have discussed on your show. So I'm
kind of torn on whether or not to root for
the Lakers these days. I totally agree with you that
the Lakers are in trouble. I don't understand the desire
to give up so much for Anthony Davis. I mean,
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history has shown that for teams to win a championship,
or at least to compete for a title, they need
three elite players. The Garnett Ray Allen Paul Pierce Celtics teams,
the Lebron d Wade Rush Miami teams, and of course
the the Steph kdi Play Thompson Golden State teams, who
I would argue have a fourth elite player in Draymond.
I mean, I just think that having just the two
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elite players Lebron and Anthony Davis and then having basically
no one else isn't going to come close to being
able to compete for a title this year or even
in the years that follows. So thanks for the call, play,
Hope you have a good day. Yeah, I'm wondering what
the Clippers creating all that space. Nobody's really talking about
the Clippers, and obviously their brand along range is nowhere
near or what the Lakers is. But if you're a
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sophisticated NBA player, wouldn't you and you desperately want to
go to l A. Let's say you're Kauahi Leonard, wouldn't
you rather be on a team that doesn't have Lebron
James's massive contract down the stretch. I think you have
to play on history, lean on history, as opposed to
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leaning on Lebron's history. And history shows us when guys
get to be thirty six, thirty seven years old, their
play declines precipitously, and that's even without having been in
the league since eighteen years old. Look at what happened
to Kobe major injury, shell of his former self and
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he rides off into the sunset. That's gonna happen for
Lebron too. It definitely is Josh and Greenville. What's up, Josh,
Hey Clay. I'm just wondering why they even want to
trade for Anthony Davis. What makes Lebron think that he's
gonna gel that well playing with Anthony when typically he
does well with shooters. I mean, Anthony's another big man. Yeah,
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he's a great player, but I don't see him selling well.
Lebron needs shooters, not someone else who can take it inside. Yeah,
I agree, I think the number one player right now
in the in my opinion, in the NBA, who's going
to be a free agent. I believe next year, right
that would make a lot of sense. Let's leave Kevin
Durant out. Who's the second best player in the NBA.
Clay Thompson would be the perfect player for Lebron James.
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Agree with you a thousand percent on that. Just the
lines up outside. There's that great video of Clay Thompson
scoring forty plus points and he dribbled the ball like
four times or whatever. Spot up shooter, get wide open
looks all day long, doesn't have to create. That's the
kind of guy who typically would make the most sense
for Lebron James. I don't necessarily know why Anthony Davis's
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game fits well with what Lebron is trying to do.
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you just heard the news breaking about the trade that
happened overnight or early this morning, depending on how you
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want to classify it to bias, Harris has been officially moved.
The drama now all with the Lakers and the Lake Show.
Losing by forty two points last night, I thought, guys
wanna bring up the crew here the picture of Lebron
sitting by himself. I tweeted it out. I would imagine
everybody else has seen it. The Lakers go on the
road Thursday against the Celtics, then they play Saturday against
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the Sixers. I think they're likely to lose both those
games and fall two games under five hundred. Then they've
got one more against the Hawks, which in theory, they
should be able to win. Then it's the All Star Break.
Is there anybody else other than me who thinks the
Lakers are going to struggle to make the playoffs regardless
of what happens before the trade deadline. No, and I'm
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not just being a homer. I said this before the
season started. I think that the Lakers will squeak into
the playoffs and dreaming I wanted them to be like
a fourth or fifth seed. That's not gonna happen. But
I do think that they can get that eighth spot,
especially with the Clippers dealing away their big man and
one of their best shooters. Yeah, the Clippers right now
are the eight seeds, so the Clippers are trying to
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clear up space. Now, it would be a real I
was making a joke about if the the Lakers suddenly
traded Lebron for Anthony Davis, but it would be kind
of a spoiler alert or a or a record scratch moment.
I guess I should say if suddenly the Clippers made
the move and ended up with Anthony Davis, because they're
certainly is going to be the movie. The potential there
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that the Clippers could end up with somebody like Kauai
and Anthony Davis together, which would make the Lakers job
that much more difficult. Um, what about you, Eddie, you're
out in l A. Would you be stunned if the
Lakers don't make the playoffs? I wouldn't be stunned. But
I do agree with Danny that the Clippers have pulled
the plot on their season trading away their best player.
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Uh now, maybe that'll set them up later with all
the picks they've acquired, and we'll see if they make
a trade. But I would say, as it stands, right now,
the Clippers are not going to make the playoffs, and
I think the Lakers are better than the Sacramento Kings.
I think the Lakers will squeak in What is the
actual Somebody looked this up for me. The time the
exact time of the NBA trade deadline is a four
o'clock Eastern on on Thursday, because I know it's Thursday,
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but I'm curious what exact time it is on Thursday,
because I know on Friday will probably be reacting to
whatever happened on Thursday. But I think, if I'm not mistaken,
it's like four o'clock Eastern, So that would mean whatever
the math is. Now, there's about thirty what thirty six hours?
It's three pm Eastern. Three pm Eastern is the official
trade deadline on Thursday. So let's say three pm Eastern arrives.
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And by the way, if you're not on Twitter, that
is what Twitter is made for, right the NBA trade deadline,
NFL start a free agency, everything else. That's where the
news breaks like crazy. So let's presume that it is
three oh one Eastern and the Lakers have been unable
to make any moves. What is Lebron gonna be like
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with the with the team that has left behind. Is
he gonna be like, is he gonna lie? Is he
gonna be like? You know what I decided. I told
the management that we couldn't make any moves because you
guys are too good and I thought you were better
than Anthony Davis. Like, does he call a team meeting?
Because right now it seems clear that Lebron is the
only guy who feels confident that he is going to
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be on the team Friday. Right If you saw the
way the Lakers played last night against the Pacers, that
is the overriding impact right now. I don't think it's
gonna be a good performance on Saturday against the Celtics,
but at least then those guys will know, hey, we
get to finish out the rest of this season before
anything happens. And I do think like it sucks to
get traded, probably if you're a young guy, period, But
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getting traded at the end of a season is nowhere
near the same as getting traded in the midpoint of
a season, where suddenly you're you know, and on an
airplane moving to a strange city. That's pretty overwhelming, even
for a veteran but for a younger guy who may
not have even lived in that many different cities in
his life. For instance, Alonzo Alonzo Ball hasn't been anywhere
other than l A. If he's suddenly got shipped to
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New Orleans, he'd be like a fish out of water.
Now his brothers have been to Lithuania or whoever the
heck it was was that Lithuania. I can't even remember
where they went and played pro basketball for for a
little bit of time. But does Lebron call a team
meeting and be like, hey, guys, I decided not to
trade anybody. He's got a lie, right, because those guys
would still know they weren't the preferred choices. I would
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love to know what Lebron does. If it's three oh
one eastern, nothing has taken place, nothing has happened. He's
stuck with basically the same squad he already had, and
then he's got a losing record, and he's got to
convince these guys that they can make the playoffs and
get drilled by the Warriors. Be sure to catch live
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I'm just glad. I was scared, boys and goods. I
thought he thought I was like this enormous piece of
chicken dime. Times. Here, this is animal Thunderdome. This is
an amazing opening paragraph to an animal Thunderdome story. A
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man whose body was discovered partially eaten by a bear
in the Great Smoky Mountains last year died of a
meth overdose before the bear got to him, according to
an autopsy released on Monday. The remains of William Lee Hill,
he was thirty, were discovered in the National Park in
September when officials encountered a bear feeding on the body
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in an area off a trail. Without knowing the exact
cause of death, park officials and wildlife professionals decided to
euthanize the bear a few days later for public safety reasons,
but on Monday they discovered that the man actually died
of a meth overdose. Uh and the thirty year old
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had gone to the park with his friend, who illegally
removed gensing, but the pair became separated and the other
guy dies as a result of a meth overdose. The
bear was killed and the park says attacks on humans
are rare bears or wild animals. So they're about fifteen
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hundred bears in the Great Smoky Mountains which exist along
the Tennessee North Carolina border. So for a little while,
a couple of things about this for a little while.
Do you think the meth translated to the bear? And
if so, how wild was that bear when he had
when he was a meth bear, I mean, just running
like crazy through the woods, all hopped up on meth,
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thinking he could destroy the world. That had to be
the most dangerous a bear ever in the history of mankind. Second,
the bear just gets killed for just eating a random
guy who died and was, you know, just off the trail,
like like left behind. So I think this is a
tough break for the bear. He didn't even do anything
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and he still got killed. But can you imagine a
meth bear like a bear all hopped up on meth,
and how much of an apex predator that bear would
have been. I'm no scientist, we only play those on
the radio here, but because of the way certain drugs
metabolized and all that, I'm wondering, if second hand, can
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that bear actually have any effects of the meth in
the bear system. My assumption is yes, because it's much
more entertaining to think about it that bear. I just
love the idea of the bear all met up, like
just knocking things over, running through trees, like just step
into other bears, um until it ends up eating shot.
But what does meth exactly due to people? Do? You know?
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I don't know much. I've never done it, but I
think it makes you basically feel like you're indestructive, you know,
like unjust indestructible, right, like it's who's the math expert
on here, dub um. I think it makes you feel
like you're completely like like I mean, you would be
like I think, like you're a superhero, right, I think
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I think that's LSD, isn't it. I mean maybe it's
a mellow or version of I'm gonna google it. What
does meth make you feel? Like? Yeah, don't use drugs kids, uh?
And because if you do, you might get eaten by
a bear? Right, I mean, I don't know how. Also
tough tough life to be out digging for jens ing
in the in the National park, which is illegal, and
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then decide you gotta do meth and then overdose and
then get eaten by a bear, it says euphoria. The
effect that math users are looking for is a kind
of intense pleasure called euphoria. Yeah, so, I mean I
think the bear would just be euphoric, you know, just
running around like, you know, convinced he's the greatest bear
that's ever lived. I don't think you want to step
to that. Um all right. Uh. We also have Oh man,
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this is an unbelievable story Colorado. Yeah, this was tweeted
to us hundreds of times. A trail runner in Colorado
killed a mountain lion with his bare hands in self
defense after he was attacked from behind on Monday. The
unidentified man suffered serious injuries, but he was able to
kill the animal while defending himself. The runner did everything
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he could save his life. In the event of a
lion attack, you need to do anything in your power
to fight back, just as this gentleman did, says Mark
Leslie the Colorado Parks in Wildlife. He choked out. He did,
he suffocated it, choked it out. I mean, he just
got his hands around. This is like my argument. Remember,
we had this argument for a while about the fact
that I thought I could kill an alligator. Um, but
(30:53):
just like a lot enough elbows to the vital you know,
like an organ. Region. This guy gets attacked from behind
by a mountain lion and somehow maintains his wits and
chokes the thing out. Now, do you take some kill
points away because it was a juvenile mountain lion? It
depends on how much smaller a juvenile mountain lion is.
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I mean, yes, certainly, if I were this guy in
an ideal situation, I don't want the mountain lion described
as juvenile. But are we were not talking about like
a kitten. I mean, it's I think it said the
thing weight eighty pounds, So I mean, if you kill
an eighty pound mountain lion that attacks you from behind
while you're just out for a jog, it's not like
this guy was on a hunt, you know, and he
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had a weapon. He's used his bare hands to kill.
Remember we had this big discussion. I think it was
just a while back. Arian Foster argued that he could
kill a wolf with his bare hands, and there was
much discussion about whether or not that was possible, and
this certainly would go in favor of him, that this
guy was able to kill the mountain lion. And didn't
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we have a grandma like choke out a mountain lion
a while back in Georgia. Yeah, there's been a few
of these stories on Animal Thunderdome, and you're right this
even though it was a quote unquote juvenile mountain lion,
it did some damage to this guy. He's still in
the hospital with serious injuries including facial bite, wounds, lacerations
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to his arms, legs, and back. Yeah, we need to
get this guy on uh out kick at some point
if we can uh the authorities after the authorities are
done with them, because they say we have several questions
for him, So there that doesn't I mean, what questions
could they remotely have for him? Yeah, this guy, he's
not a bad guy, is a hero, and even if
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he picked a fight with the mountain lion, he still
wanted like the mountain lion he says, attacked him. But
I don't even know what questions they could have for him,
And why wouldn't they just go ahead and ask those questions. Anyway,
this is a big win for the humans in the
Animal Thunderdome. I know the animals are going to strike back,
but for a mountain lion to attack a random guy
jogging in Colorado, and the mountain lion cowardly attacked from behind,
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and then this dude just fights him often chokes it out.
I mean that is that's pretty awesome. I feel bad
for the meth bear, but the mountain lion human conflict.
I'm pretty pumped about about our success as a species
in this wind. By the way, you can always send
the animal thunderdome stories as many of you do. We
appreciate it. You can tag us on Twitter, you can
certainly make sure that we see them, and uh, we
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This is indeed the Guico out kick. The coverage studios
were joined now by Andrew Marshand. He is a reporter
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on sports and media and business related to issues for
The New York Post, and he broke a big story
about at Nan Verke and ESPN uh sportscaster ESPN announcer
who was fired for leaking information uh to a to
another sports website. Want to bring him in right now, Andrew,
this is a big story. I don't remember a story
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ever like this before, do you off hand? I mean
it does. Nothing comes to mind, at least with sports
media companies with someone getting fired for leaking. Uh so, yeah,
it's a it's a little bit different. I mean, having
covered teams for a long time, I know, uh, you
know there's sometimes some crackdowns with you know, I've covered
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the Yankees for years, but nothing like this where someone
got let go. We're talking to Andrew Marshan. So for
people who don't know this story, ad Nan Verke is
a fairly popular, versatile used a lot um announcer for
ESPN for a lot of their studio programming shows. What
happened and why did he get fired? So far as
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you've been able to uncover, well, yeah, he's a rising
He's a rising star to says forty affball guy did
a lot of filling work on ESPN radio, uh and
call football college basketball. And so the feeling from ESPN
was this was premeditated. Um, he he leaked some information,
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uh to the website awful announcing where first off, he
tipped them off to a conference call. And then they
had the conference call and it was it was about baseball,
and ad Nan Verke wasn't on it for most of
the conference call. So, uh, after the call, he called
one of his bosses and asked very pointed questions about
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you know, the contracts and the what's going on with
baseball and major and and ESPN And then those answers
ended up being on the ll PU announcing website later
that day. Um. And so the issue for ESPN, which
really got them going was first off, they felt like
it was premeditated. Secondly, Um, the fact is on the
(35:54):
conference call, these things weren't discussed. So you know a
lot of times you're in a conference call fifteen people on,
there could be any one of fifteen people. Okay, gets
out this case, they didn't discuss what was in the report.
The questions were asked, uh to two vers boss and
they're kind of, you know, not really in his lane
in terms of really what his concerns probably should be.
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And then end up on a website later that day.
And then he wasn't forth the right in terms of
when he was confronted with this information. And it's a
harsh penalty. Uh could have been a two weeks suspension. Yeah,
it's possible. But uh, but then he was let go
and and that's where it stands right now. And if
he contemplating, I think you've reported a lawsuit right over
his firing. He is, he's either hired or will hire
(36:40):
a Connecticut based lawyer, and you will probably pursue legal action. Now,
this is a fascinating story to me because by firing him,
they draw way more attention to this story than would
ever have existed if they had not fired him. I
assume you would agree with that, no doubt. So what
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is the ESPNS motivation here? Are they trying to basically
send a message to everybody else who's an employee that hey,
you better not be talking to media because if you do,
it could be your job. Is this is? Is he
just kind of the fall guy for a larger, uh,
a larger intent here to try to stifle the release
of sensitive information. Yeah. I can't speak to their full motivation,
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but I don't think so though. I don't think it's
some sort of let's make an example an ad Nan Burke.
I think this is a situation where it kind of
was a little fire and then it became a forest
fire and where they felt like this was the right
thing to do. You know, they just signed at nan
Burke to a four year contract. So it's not as if, um,
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you know, they didn't like him, Uh, you know, because
that that just happened. Um. But I mean, I think
a fair question to ask if this was Scott van Held,
you know, the Midnight Sports Center doing very well in
the ratings, and this happens, and you know Van Pell,
what's that he wasn't forthright? And you know the exact
same scenario, would he have gotten let go? I don't
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know about that so, um, but but I don't think
it's the stifle other people. I just think that the
fact of how you know a word that you know
sources keep telling me, the premeditated action of kind of
going out of your way to give company secrets. Uh,
that is what I think really said off ESPN. This
is always fascinating to me when a leak happens, Right,
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whether it's in the White House, whether it's out of
a team, whether it's in any other industry. Right, why
did the person want the story to be leaked? Um?
This story had to do with baseball Baseball ratings, whether
Baseball Tonight is going to be on ESPN. What was
adding in Vert's motivation to care enough about this story
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that he wanted it out there. And that's the it's
a very good question, and it's kind of it's right now.
I don't know. I don't have a full answer for you.
Why why he would do this? Because, like I said,
he just signed a four year contract. Perhaps and I
don't know this for sure, but perhaps you was leaking
information awful announcing to try to curry favor and good
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good publicity. That's been known to happen. But but like
I said, he just got a new contracts. I don't
really see, I don't really see the motivation for him,
um getting it out there. I think I saw you
tweet maybe or say something I want to on um
your periscope show about that. Maybe he wanted to try
to get public pressure to get Baseball Tonight on more regularly. UM,
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I don't know. That seems a little like I that's
an odd strategy to me for a sportscaster. I think
he was a little naive, quite honestly. And uh and
and it's it's cosm dearly, but I don't know if
there's some like, uh, huge game plan that was it
was it was in play. Yeah, And that's always what
surprises me is I buy that people will leak stories,
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but usually there's an underlying motivation on behalf of the
person who leaks. And what I always say is people
out there like we talk about stories like these. But
my position is, I don't think I've ever been an
anonymous source for an article. I mean, I mean that
legitimately and certainly I've never been anonymously quoted. Because if
I have an opinion on something, I just say it,
and if I don't feel comfortable saying it, then I
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don't say anything at all about it. And so that
to me is really what's so intriguing about this story
in general. One I don't necessarily think what got leaked
is like some major state secret that is like fundamentally
altering the trajectory of ESPN's business model. And two I
can't figure out why add Nan Verke would want to
be leaking this to begin with. And three I keep
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circling back around to the ESPN decision if they just
like kind of keep this in house, nobody else ever
hears about it, And it doesn't turn into a major story.
That's true. But when you run a business, though, I
don't know if you can every decision make you have
to think about only the pr point of view of it.
You know, it's because I think you have to. Again,
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I'm not saying their decisions right or wrong, but I
don't know if you can just say, well, we think
he should be let go, but we're not gonna let
him go because of the publicity won't be great. Um,
I think you have to do what you think is right.
I think you worry, you have to worry about publicity,
don't get me wrong, but you also I don't worry
about what you think is right. And I think what
really was broken is the trust between you know, Verked
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and you know his direct boss. Um, like you speak directly.
If this is what Phil or Leans is, the senior
coordinate producer. But if if you called Clay your bosses
at I Heart Radio or Fox Sports and said to them, uh,
you know, ask some pointed questions about stuff, and then uh,
you know, ten minutes later called me up leaked that
(41:46):
information on. I don't know if they'd be at the
trust with you and your bosses would probably be severed.
And I'm not saying it's you know not you couldn't
repair it, but it would be difficult. So I think
that it's mainly stupid of me, right, which is why
to adding Invert's actions here, Like what does he think
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that people are not gonna know where this is coming from?
Like this just seems so dumb to me. It doesn't
seem bright like I, like I said before, it Adding
is a very talented broadcaster. And the reason that you know, um,
I think you have a little phone with I think
he's gonna be fine in terms of eventually he's very talented.
I think you'll get another jobs big in entertainment, Maybey'll
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move into that. Sports. I think they'll be opportunities. So
I think he's gonna be fine. But in terms of
the like why you would do that, I don't see
the motivation at all, Like what's in it for him? Again?
Just signed a new four year contract that was worth
more than seven figures in total, Uh so why why
get into this? And also just like you have to
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think about it, and I have sources of course, and
you know sometimes you're on you have a conversation with them,
and it just happened, and there's like three people in
the room, and it's like, yeah, you know what, you
know if I say to UM, I don't want to
get you in trouble, and then you know, and they
say you know this, you know, let's we had to
wait a little bit because there's three people in the room,
and it'll be it's pretty you know, obvious how he
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could eliminate and and that person would be the one
that point the finger at And in this case, yeah,
there was really no Um, it was obviously was him.
I mean there's no there's no other way to look
at it. And and also just asking the questions of
your boss there really have nothing to do with what
you what he does. I think that also hurt him.
Uh when the when he USTN made its final decision,
the story comes out one hour before kickoff for the
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Super Bowl on Sunday. Coincidental in your mind, Yes, I
mean I know how it worked. I mean I take
into all my sources, but yeah, I mean I was.
I mean I could just tell you on a personal level,
I was getting ready to review the super Bowl and
it wasn't really something I necessarily wanted UH to to
work on at that point. I was, you know, getting
(43:53):
ready and watched the poo game, and you know, the
turnaround was pretty quick after I found out the information.
I think it was like forty five minutes later, you know,
I you know, made several calls and had confirmation we
had a story. Um up. So yeah, that had nothing
to do with it. I know that you tweeted that,
but that's completely inaccurate. I still think the timing is unbelievable,
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but you can you Yeah, I get to the sources,
but you're completely wrong on that. I get it why
you would think that. But and also if there were
the uh it actually if that it's it's it's totally incorrect.
Let me say that. But if it were, it would
have been a bad strategy because these types of stories
really get a social media lift everyone. A lot of
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people are on Twitter during the Super Bowl. Of the
Super Bowl was completely you know, boring, and the story, um,
I can tell you gotta at least be a post
and a lot of people picked it up. There was
read by a lot of people. Yeah, no doubt at all.
But pr one oh one, in my mind is right
before a major event about to happen, throw some story
out there. And and you hope that the game is
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actually really good and everybody forgets about what happened an
hour before the story. That would be my thought. All right,
two other questions I want to get to you. We're
talking to Andrew Marshawn, who writes at the New York Post.
Follow him on Twitter. I believe at Andrew marsh end
is uh Marshawn, Marshand You can tell me exactly how
to pronounce it. But Marshand, you do good work. You
can find him there, all right. Jeff Bezos talking about
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the Super Bowl is in the booth of Roger Goodell.
CBS shows him a hundred million people are watching. Is
that intentional? Would you be nervous if you had the
NFL Sunday ticket in your Direct TV and you see
Bezos in the in the suite of Roger Goodell right
before the NFL has to make a decision about whether
(45:44):
to allow Direct TV to keep the NFL Sunday ticket, Yeah,
you'd be a bit nervous. Jeff Bezos is the stalking
horse for you know, network TV, uh in terms of
football and for Direct TV in terms of the Sunday
a ticket. I mean he can buy whichever package he wants.
The question is, here's the thing. There's a Sunday ticket
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to be in play. Um, you know we're still a
few years out Monday night football to be in play.
Uh Thursday, you know, you know by then, you know
could be in play. But you know he's not getting
the Sunday packages. Those are gonna be on network TV.
Uh So yeah, Amazon, you know Netflix is not getting football.
I'd be absolutely shocked. They have no ad business. There's
(46:26):
the business, and if they paid so much money for football,
they'd have to raise the prices so that I'd be
shocked if they got into football. Um, you know the
other ones Facebook, Twitter, I doubt it, Amazon, the one
with Prime. Uh that if you're you know, the networks
or direct TV, you have to be concerned with. Do
you think the NFL is at all concerned that the
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NFL viewership for the Super Bowl drop below a hundred
million near a decade blow? Or do you think they
just write that off as this is a function of
the game not being very good this year? He has
a function of the game. I think, Hey, look are
they a little concerned? Of course? I mean you're gonna
be concerned if your ratings aren't what you want to be.
But uh, the game was terrible. There weren't a million
(47:10):
storylines going in. Besides you know there there there were some,
but nothing that really stood out. Um, you know, but
in the Patriots are a I I think people you know,
we it's it's uh, your your buddy Collin Coward like
to say this, and he's right about like the tournament, Um,
you know, March madness. Everyone wants to see Cinderella, but
if you have Duke in North Carolina in the final,
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you're gonna have a higher rating. And I think the Patriots, uh,
for as much as everyone most people hate them. Besides
Patriots fans, Uh, they still we think are good for ratings.
The Rams don't have a following. And then the big
thing also is door Lean a pretty big city. Uh,
bodycott is the super Bowl? You know, they have the
audience that they usually do. Have you ever seen that before?
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By the way, I've never seen a city. You know
a lot of times you hear people say, oh, are
so disgusted of it. But New Orleans compared to last
year when they watched it, it it like a fifty seven rating.
I mean New Orleans a football crazy market this year
they dropped by over half. I've never seen anything like
that in one city. No, it's incredible, it's really Ah.
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You gotta tip your hat to you know, their dedication
of boycotting that said. I mean, I don't I don't
know what you've said on this, but the same top
the ball in overtime. So it's a little much. It
was a terrible miscall, but I mean they're miscalls in
a lot of games that that have happened for forever.
So it's not like the things didn't have a chance.
They gotta run the ball. There's a million things. So
I think it's a little overblown. But in terms of
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a boycott, as much as you could do, that was impressive.
Last question for you, Lebron James and the Lakers got
whipped last night. They lose by forty two. They're currently
in tenth place in the Western Conference in the NBA
playoff race. If the Lakers do not make the playoffs,
the reaction for ESPN and t n T executives is
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how much panic? Yeah there, I don't know if they'll panic,
but they'll be. It's that good for them. I mean,
Lebron is the calling guard of the n b A.
He's the guy everyone wants to see, lovem or hate him.
But the ratings show that Lebron is the most important
player by far in that league. And if he's not
in the playoffs, uh, it's it's bad for the league.
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You know, we we talked about the NFL ratings. I
know you you've talked about that a lot, and I
think the biggest factor manival ratings were down, and they
were up during the regular season a lot this year,
but when they were down was quarterback play and and
also the fact that they have too many games on
and they you know, they they put their programming on
too many nights and it made it not special. And
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they have two games. But stars are what sell you know,
it's and and Lebron is the biggest star by far
in the NBA. So yes, that would be terrible for
Turner and for ESPN ABC if they have no Lebron
in the playoffs. Why do you think, by way, I
know I said last question, but this builds off that one.
Why do you think the amount of attention for the
NFL ratings and the fact that they were down dwarfs
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all of the attention on the fact that the NBA
is down substantially because Lebron to a large extent, has
moved to the Western Conference and a lot of people
on the East Coast can't stay up for his games anymore.
Yet almost no one is talking about the NBA ratings
going down, and everyone was talking about the NFL. Two things.
First off, nf the NFL is the biggest sport, so
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they're gonna get more attention, you know. Number two is youah,
the Colin Kaepernick situation and the President getting involved, that's
going to bring more attention to it as well. And
number three is the NBA has had really great ratings
you know, last year, and I think the story is
um maybe slowered unfold. And four this most bortan one.
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I can't speak for what other people do. I've written
about it, um, so what other people choose to cover
and not cover, uh, you know, that's their decisions. I
can't speak for why other people don't cover it. Um.
You know that said, I think if you look deep
into it, they turner got a best you know, a
tough schedule to start and their way down opening night. Uh,
(51:14):
and then they've been trying to fight back. They're not
going to fight all the way back. Ever since, the
ratings have gone up and ABC has done pretty good,
uh you know, and ESPN has been kind of flat.
So it's not as I don't think it's as extreme
as the NFL ratings were when it when it when
it went down. Andrew, appreciate you waking up early with us.
Helped to have you on again soon and uh, good
luck chasing down those leaks. All right, thanks. Thanks. Be
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Tobias Hairs being shipped to the Philadelphia seventies sixers. Now
they have four big time stars on the seventies sixers.
They're making a move in the Eastern Conference, trying to
keep up with Let's be honest, I mean, there's basically,
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I think it's fair to say four teams that you
would think have a decent chance to win the Eastern Conference.
The Celtics, even though they've been a little bit wobbly
and we don't exactly know what's gonna happen with their
team chemistry. The Raptors, who have rented Kawhi Leonard trying
to persuade him to stay with them. Raptors may be
making some moves UH before the NBA trade deadline as well.
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And the Milwaukee Bucks, who I think are still a
little bit under the radar UH with Janice and exactly
how good they have been um in UH in Milwaukee.
So those are the three teams, along with the seventy
Sixers that I would say feel like, hey, once we
get to the playoffs, we could potentially advance all the
way to the NBA Finals. How much of a difference
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does Tobias Harris make in the Eastern Conference? Does this
propel the seventies sixers in some way to the top
of the potential contenders given their four man talent that
they have right now? They've already traded for Jimmy Butler
as well, obviously they have. They have got a lot
of talent. They lost for those of you don't remember,
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to the Celtics last year in the second round of
the playoffs. If I'm not mistaken, UH, in the Eastern Conference?
Do they have enough to get past now? What do
you think, Danny G Yeah, well, you're right about the
Bucks weighing low under the radar because they actually have
the best record in the entire NBA right now, thirty
nine and third, which I think would surprise a lot
of people who aren't paying much attention to the regular
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season NBA. So I don't I don't think the seventy
sixers are gonna pass the Bucks at this point, but
they could get all the way up to number three
or number two Tobias Harris. It's interesting because I was
listening to our flagship station in l A A M
five seventy l A Sports yesterday right before the Clippers
game started. I was listening to the pregame and they
were having this long conversation about Tobias Harris and how
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he's such a streaky shooter. He'll be super cold one game,
then he'll go off in the next game, and then
of course they ship them off. It's gonna help the
Sixers as far as when he's on fire, but then
when he's cold, he's cold. That's how it is with
Tobias Harris. Yeah, and I don't think they're thinking we're
gonna get the number one seed or anything like that,
but I think they're thinking, hey, they'll be wide open
(54:07):
in the Eastern Conference. As a result of this move,
we feel like we can be as good as anybody else.
What about you, Eddie Garcia, do is that? Where would
you slot the Sixers right now in the wake of
this move? You know, I'm still unsure with the Boston
Celtics exactly where where they're fitting in all this. I
know Kyrie Irving is in and out of a lineup,
(54:28):
but I would put them probably maybe third behy in
Toronto and Milwaukee. Yeah, I think right now if you're
and I know it's not reflected in the standings right now,
but if you were asking me, who do you think
is gonna win the Eastern Conference? I would go with
the Celtics because I think the Celtics with Brad Stevens
as their coach. We saw what they did last year.
(54:48):
They almost went to the Eastern Uh. They almost went
to one the Eastern Conference last year, UH, losing in
seven games to UH to the Calves, right, and in
a series that when they beat the Calves, they didn't
just beat the Calves, they oftentimes blew them out right.
So I understand that was a tough shot for the Celtics. UH.
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I don't buy in necessarily to the Raptors, even though
they've traded to Rosen and they've got a new vibe
with Kawhi Leonard. We talked about this last year. I
got burned buying into the fact that they were UH
worthy of of contemplation as Eastern Conference champs. By the way,
you want to talk about NBA television partners losing their
minds if Lebron either didn't make the playoffs or lost
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in the first round of the Western Conference playoffs and
then you ended up with the Warriors against the Raptors.
UH So you had a Canadian team advancing to the
NBA Finals. The amount of money that television networks would
lose t N T and UH ESPN would be off
the charts. That has to leave television executives staring at
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the ceiling late at night, shivering in a cold sweat,
because that's potentially out there as a possibility. Having said that,
I think it's going to be the Celtics against the Warriors.
I don't think this move by the seventies Sixers changes that.
But certainly you could make that argument if you are
bullish on the seventies sixers future, given that they now
have four big time playmakers. Now that they've added Tobias Harris,
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Sports Radio. You listen to the show yesterday, you know,
I don't think it's smart of Anthony Davis to want
to go to the Lakers, And I laid out exactly why,
but I used Lebron James as an example. I said, look,
when Lebron left the Calves, when Lebron left the Heat,
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and when Lebron left the Calves again, he didn't make
the team that he was joining mortgage it's future in
order for him to join them. He didn't make them
trade away all of their good young talent in order
for him to be on those teams. Lebron knew that
joining a team, it was important to preserve all of
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their assets so they could bring as much good talent
around them in the years around him. In the years
ahead as was possible, but he also left behind oftentimes
wrecked refuge that was not anywhere near championship caliber. Look
at what the Calves look like right now. He way
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overpaid as GM Lebron Tristan Thompson, way overpaid j R. Smith. Arguably,
Kevin Love never deserved the contract that he got. Kyrie
Irving saw all of this coming and he said, I
don't want to be left holding the bag when Lebron
skips town. And he smartly got traded to a better team.
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And now he's going to be a free agent and
he'll be able to go out and look at all
of his options. The smart play for Anthony Davis is
not to be traded now for all of the good
young talent on the Lakers, It's to wait out the
rest of this year and then wait out all of
next year two and be an unrestricted free agent at
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the age of twenty six and be able to do
what Paul George did, be able to do what Lebron
James did, be able to do what Kevin Durant did.
Go join a new team without having to worry about
everything being upset right before your contract comes on, comes
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comes up to market and be able to actually join
a team that still has a lot of assets left
with you. Moreover, again, Lebron James is a declining asset
coming off of a fairly serious injury. Right now, do
we really believe that Lebron James is going to be
good for years and years ahead? Why would Anthony Davis
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want to tie himself down with what might end up
being another mediocre franchise in the Lakers as Lebron James
plays out the end of his career. Remember, the Lakers
have been through this once before and they don't want
to believe history can repeat itself. But at some point,
Lebron James is going to age himself out of excellence.
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We saw it happen with Kobe Bryant. Kobe got paid
way too much money relative to his overall talent, and
I think the same thing is going to happen on
the tail end of this deal for Lebron James with
the Lakers. Lebron does not have a lot of time
to make any moves. He's desperate. Anthony Davis shouldn't be desperate.
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He's got a decade of basketball ahead of him. He's
still climbing the mountaintop. He can still get better. Lebron
James is beginning his ascent. Now maybe it'll be a
slow ascent, you certainly hope. So if you're a Laker
fan or if you're a Laker management, but I'm not
sure about buying in on this, let me bring in
the crew that I'm gonna go to your calls. The
calls by the way, eight seven, seven nine six six
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three six nine, what do you guys think kind of
going forward? Um? And uh we will will obviously be
following this story in a substantial way, Danny g Let's
ask this question, based on what you saw against the Pacers,
do the Lakers have to make a trade because their
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overall team chemistry is so broken? Based on this Anthony
Davis news going public last week and all the public
discussion about where the other Laker players are going to be,
the performance they put forward against the Pacers flat out unacceptable,
likely to be ugly on Thursday against the Celtics as well,
not to mention what might happen over the weekend against
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the seventies Sixers, who will now have to bias Harris that,
by the way, the big trade. If you're just waking
up the seventies Sixers have traded for Tobias Harris. What
do the Lakers have to do get past Thursday? Honestly,
I understand what you're saying, but I think things will
calm down once the trade deadline passes. It's stinks right
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now for Laker fans, but if you can be patient,
which the patient's got thrown out the window once Lebron
joined the Lakers, right because once that happened, the second
superstar was what everybody wanted. And if it doesn't happen
before Thursday, and we still we're not sure what's going
on behind the scenes between Magic and del Demps, so
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who knows what's gonna wind up happening with that? I
think we kind of know. I think that the Pelicans
really really want to see what the Celtics are gonna
lay out in a trade scenario with them, and also
what's gonna happen with the Knicks and where do they
land in the lottery and all that. So if the
Pelicans seriously want to wait, I don't think the Pelicans
are gonna get what they could have got from the
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Lakers if they decide to wait, So then that gives
the other teams the leverage, I think. But that's okay.
If the Pelicans want to be stubborn, let it happen. Now, remember, Clay,
you kind of counted out Lebron last season two. You
you thought he wasn't gonna make the playoffs last season. No, no, no, no.
I don't think I ever said they weren't gonna make
the playoffs. I said that they weren't going to make
the NBA finals. They were never I don't have the
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schedule in front of me right now, but I don't remember.
I remember a point in the season where you were
questioning whether or not he would even advance past the
first round. Yeah, but that's a big difference making the
playoffs or not. I don't think the Calves were ever
out of playoff contention. My point is Lebron when he
needs to, we've seen how he could put a team
on his back. But obviously there's some stuff going on
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in the locker room right now which is really obvious.
And you said it yourself, un lock it in yesterday.
Then it's easy to bet against the Lakers right now
because of the strife. I mean, I would be like you,
you're the leader of this show and if we all
found out that you were trying to get a new
staff and then we still had to come to work
the next day, we wouldn't have harmony. It's human nature.
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But once that trade deadline passes, I think it could
calm down. Before Lebron got hurt, the Lakers were in fourth,
fourth spot in the West, so they can have some chemistry.
It's gonna take weeks to get that back. Right now
after his injury, I think the Lakers are in real trouble.
I think They're gonna lose the next two. I think
they'll fall to twenty seven and twenty nine. That will
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mean that they've got twenty six games left in order
to try to make the playoffs. They could fall into
the eleventh or twelfth place in the Western Conference. I
think this is a big deal. Eddie Garcia, what would
you do at this point? This? This is, by the way,
is why let me say this. I think that Anthony
davis Is representation has fundamentally bungled every aspect of his representation.
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And I would be asking if Anthony Davis was really
sophisticated and intelligent in terms of his representation. He can't
be represented by the same guy as Lebron James, because
Rich Paul's interest in Lebron James is totally different than
what his interest should be for Anthony Davis. Yet it
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seems like Rich Paul is doing everything on behalf of
Lebron James as opposed to Anthony Davis. It doesn't make
sense for Anthony Davis, who was only twenty five years old,
to have the Lakers trading away all of his assets
in order for him to get there. He could be
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twenty six years old and still be an unrestricted free agent.
He only has to finish out this season, which will
be over in the snap of fingers, especially because it
doesn't seem like the Pelicans are going to make the playoffs,
and then he comes back next year, and if he's
not gonna re up with the Pelicans, then they have
to decide to trade him before the NBA trade deadline
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next year or he just plays out his contract. Either way,
he's an unrestricted free agent at the end of next season.
It doesn't make sense for him to demand a trade
right now on his future uh in the NBA. It
makes sense for Lebron James because Lebron is going to
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age quickly, but it doesn't make sense at all for
Anthony Davis. He if he wants to join the Lakers,
he should want the Lakers to keep all of this
good young talent and he can join the Lakers and
know that those young players are there and not have
to worry about everything they gave up to get him.
It just doesn't make any sense. I mean, Mike Crazy
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Eddie Garcia for making this argument. I mean, I think
that that Anthony Davis has gotten really bad advice throughout
this process. I think publicly announcing that you're not going
to resign with the Pelicans was dumb. I think trying
to go public with the fact that you want to
be traded was dumb. I don't think that anything that
that Anthony Davis has got from his representation has adequately
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in any way advanced his cau is. And I hear
almost no one pointing this out and also pointing out
the incredible conflict that his agent has where he's basically
working full throated for Lebron James and that's actually counter
to the interests of Anthony Davis. These two guys aren't
in the same boat. There two different players. I think
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this is an example of Anthony Davis being starstruck. I
think he's thinking about Lebron James like he's a kid. Oh,
it's so great that Lebron James wants to trade for me.
He's thinking about what he thought about Lebron James when
he was sixteen years old instead of thinking about Lebron
James as a sophisticated NBA player at the age of
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He can't go all Google eyes over Lebron wanting him.
He needs to be a calculated businessman. And if that's true,
you don't want anybody giving up assets to get you
because it just mortgages the future of the team you're
committing to. Well, you, you would hope that, you know,
Anthony Davis, being a young guy, could get better advice.
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But as you said, you know, with the agent representing
Lebron as well, Uh, it certainly looks like he's getting
mixed signals. Uh, to say the least. You know, in
the end, the agent is supposed to work for Anthony Davis,
and so Anthony Davis has to ultimately okay this or not.
But yes, it doesn't seem like this is certainly in
his best interests overall. As far as what the Lakers
should do with the situation. It certainly seems like New
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Orleans is going to try their best to take advantage,
you know, of this situation and get you know, I
don't know, like herschel Walker type return from the Lakers.
So even though it's not popular and you think it's
almost counterintuitive to what l A is all about and
wanting star power, you know, and the guys they have
other than Lebron James, there's no real stars in there.
There's some decent players, but they're not stars. You would think,
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you know, get Anthony Davis and be damned about everything else.
But it seems everything that I've read that that the
Pelicans want try to take advantage of the Lakers. That
l A, if they're gonna be smart, they're gonna have
to just not throw everything in the world to the
Pelicans and try and be patient and see if they
can get Anthony Davis later or maybe pass on Davison
trying to build in the off season. What I would
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love to see from a plot twist perspective is the
Lakers trade Lebron James for Anthony Davis. Huge plot twist moment.
I would love Lebron getting shipped for the remainder of
his career to New Orleans, um and Anthony Davis going
out to to l A and Magic Johnson just like
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I mean, coming off like I mean, it would just
be an unbelievable plot twist to suddenly have that story
emerged and kind of making fun of the fact that
the Pelicans have asked for everything from the Lakers. Uh,
what if in the end they were like, hey, we
want Lebron and Lebron got traded out of the out
of the process. I think does Lebron have the ability
to block any trade? Surely he does. Yeah, I'm assuming
he has no trade clause. I just would love that
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that element to see what Lebron's reaction would be if
that if that story got floated. Oh, the Lakers really
want Anthony Davis so much so that they've actually included
Lebron James and Rate talks. That would be Uh, that
would be Lebron thinks he's a chess grand master. That
would be like getting checkmated um by by Magic Johnson.
Would be pretty outstanding. If he's like, you know what,
he's got injury issues, he's starting to age. We're gonna
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ship Lebron to New Orleans. Um, all right, we're gonna
take some of your let me bring in Dub dub.
What would you do here? What would you do if
you are the Lakers? I mean, I think the Lakers
have have so painted themselves into a corner that they
have to give the Pelicans whatever the Pelicans want at
this point in time, which is why I said last
week when this story broke, a lot of people were like, oh,
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look at Anthony Davis. This is such a power move.
I said, no, you guys are completely wrong on this. Uh,
the in terms of the immediate response that was out
there as the national narrative, I was like, this is
a huge benefit to the Pelicans, which again to me
represents and reflects the fact that I believe Anthony Davis
is getting unsophisticated representation by his agent and not being
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led in a very intelligent fashion. Yeah, Lakers have kind
of dugged themselves a little hole here, and but I
kind of agree with Danny G. Just get through Thursday.
This team needs the All Star break more than any regroup.
Like Danny G said, they were fourth in the West
before Lebron's injury. If they're still struggling a week or
two after all Star Break, then it's time, you know,
maybe push the panic button a little bit. But until then,
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I'm I'm betting on Lebron so that that's wanted to do.
What though, I mean, he's gonna make the playoffs in
my opinion. I mean, but I don't know. If you
make the playoffs as an eight seed and get swept,
is that really like matter? Well, no, it doesn't. But
I'm thinking they could maybe get to a five or
six seed if if they can come together and and
get back playing the kind of basketball they were playing
prior to Lebron's injury. I understand that argument, but if
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you just look at the standings right now, they are
a long way from being a five or six seed.
I mean, and you just do the math. They're going
to lose, I believe. I mean, it would be a
big upset if they beat either the Celtics or the
seventies sixers on the road in the next two games.
So if you assume that they're gonna lose those two games,
which I think is fair, they would then fall to
twenty seven and twenty nine. That might drop them all
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the way to potentially the third Let's see what right now,
they're the ten seed. Uh, then there's obviously only eight
teams to make the playoffs. They could they could fall
all the way to twelve by the time the All
Star Breakers here could happen, might not, but could happen,
and then in order to make like catch Houston, they'd
be like eight games back potentially of Houston to be
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able to get back to that four or five line,
and they'd only have twenty five games left to play.
That's almost impossible. I mean, we're talking about best case
scenario them getting into the seven or eight seed line
probably and not even that being necessary. Now, maybe you
could give the Denver Nuggets a run, but I think
everybody out there right now would say the Golden State
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Warriors would probably sweep the Lakers in the playoffs. Maybe
the Lakers win one game in that series and boom,
Lebron is done and he's done really early. And that's
assuming he even makes the playoffs. We're trending to awards
this being a disastrous decision by Lebron James to go
join the Lakers. Let me take some of your calls.
Jim in North Carolina, what's up, hey, Clay? I love
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your show. Appreciate that. Yeah, I just say from from
from the Lakers standpoint, this thing going public with Anthony
Davis is probably going to create a more of a
disaster because now now everyone knows, so New Orleans is
gonna try to get as much as they can. I
don't think it's gonna happen. And then as far as
like the schedule, I don't see him making the playoffs. Yeah,
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schedule is too tight, and uh, you know, they just
they don't have any cohesiveness as a team. It's a
it's a five on five game, not just a one
on one. So I think my answer off the year, yeah,
I mean one. I mean you have to question how
healthy is Lebron because this whole situation was strange about
him coming back to play against the Clippers and then
he needs personal day, he needs more recovery time, so
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he doesn't play against the Warriors. That was strange. You
sit out a month, you come back for one game,
and then you sit out another game, and now he's
on the road, gets dominated. The worst beating of Lebron
James's career, the Pacers put on the Lakers last night,
and obviously remember that's the Pacers without Victor Oladipo. It's
not like we're talking about a stacked Pakeer Pacers team.
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You know, the the Celtics are gonna be out for
blood on Thursday. You know also that the seventies sixers
now with Tobias Harris. That's the big news if you're
waking up, the seventies Sixers have traded for Tobias Harris.
If that happens, You've got a lot of different moving
parts here that are gonna be pretty fascinating to see.
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I mean, and it was, uh, the second night of
a back to back last night for the Pacers as well,
so it's not like the Pacers had, you know, four
days to get ready for the Lakers coming to town,
and we're incredibly rested. They won by forty two on
the second night of a back to back without Victor Oladipo.
Paul and Fargo. What's up, Paul, he Clea, Thanks for
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the call. I hope you're having a good I've been
a Laker fan since the Magic Johnson days, although I'm
not a big fan of Lebron for many of the
reasons that you have discussed on your show. So I'm
kind of torn on whether or not to root for
the Lakers these days. I totally agree with you that
the Lakers are in trouble. I don't understand the desire
to give up so much for Anthony Davis. I mean,
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history has shown that for teams to win a championship,
or at least to compete for a title, they need
three elite players. The Garnett Ray Allen Paul Pierce Celtics teams,
the Lebron d Wade Rush Miami teams, and of course
the the Steph kdi Play Thompson Golden State teams, who
I would argue have a fourth elite player in Draymond.
I mean, I just think that having just the two
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elite players Lebron and Anthony Davis and then having basically
no one else isn't going to come close to being
able to compete for a title this year or even
in the years that follows. So thanks for the call, play,
Hope you have a good day. Yeah, I'm wondering what
the Clippers creating all that space. Nobody's really talking about
the Clippers, and obviously their brand along range is nowhere
near or what the Lakers is. But if you're a
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sophisticated NBA player, wouldn't you and you desperately want to
go to l A. Let's say you're Kauahi Leonard, wouldn't
you rather be on a team that doesn't have Lebron
James's massive contract down the stretch. I think you have
to play on history, lean on history, as opposed to
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leaning on Lebron's history. And history shows us when guys
get to be thirty six, thirty seven years old, their
play declines precipitously, and that's even without having been in
the league since eighteen years old. Look at what happened
to Kobe major injury, shell of his former self and
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he rides off into the sunset. That's gonna happen for
Lebron too. It definitely is Josh and Greenville. What's up, Josh,
Hey Clay. I'm just wondering why they even want to
trade for Anthony Davis. What makes Lebron think that he's
gonna gel that well playing with Anthony when typically he
does well with shooters. I mean, Anthony's another big man. Yeah,
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he's a great player, but I don't see him selling well.
Lebron needs shooters, not someone else who can take it inside. Yeah,
I agree, I think the number one player right now
in the in my opinion, in the NBA, who's going
to be a free agent. I believe next year, right
that would make a lot of sense. Let's leave Kevin
Durant out. Who's the second best player in the NBA.
Clay Thompson would be the perfect player for Lebron James.
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Agree with you a thousand percent on that. Just the
lines up outside. There's that great video of Clay Thompson
scoring forty plus points and he dribbled the ball like
four times or whatever. Spot up shooter, get wide open
looks all day long, doesn't have to create. That's the
kind of guy who typically would make the most sense
for Lebron James. I don't necessarily know why Anthony Davis's
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game fits well with what Lebron is trying to do.
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want to classify it to bias, Harris has been officially moved.
The drama now all with the Lakers and the Lake Show.
Losing by forty two points last night, I thought, guys
wanna bring up the crew here the picture of Lebron
sitting by himself. I tweeted it out. I would imagine
everybody else has seen it. The Lakers go on the
road Thursday against the Celtics, then they play Saturday against
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the Sixers. I think they're likely to lose both those
games and fall two games under five hundred. Then they've
got one more against the Hawks, which in theory, they
should be able to win. Then it's the All Star Break.
Is there anybody else other than me who thinks the
Lakers are going to struggle to make the playoffs regardless
of what happens before the trade deadline. No, and I'm
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not just being a homer. I said this before the
season started. I think that the Lakers will squeak into
the playoffs and dreaming I wanted them to be like
a fourth or fifth seed. That's not gonna happen. But
I do think that they can get that eighth spot,
especially with the Clippers dealing away their big man and
one of their best shooters. Yeah, the Clippers right now
are the eight seeds, so the Clippers are trying to
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clear up space. Now, it would be a real I
was making a joke about if the the Lakers suddenly
traded Lebron for Anthony Davis, but it would be kind
of a spoiler alert or a or a record scratch moment.
I guess I should say if suddenly the Clippers made
the move and ended up with Anthony Davis, because they're
certainly is going to be the movie. The potential there
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that the Clippers could end up with somebody like Kauai
and Anthony Davis together, which would make the Lakers job
that much more difficult. Um, what about you, Eddie, you're
out in l A. Would you be stunned if the
Lakers don't make the playoffs? I wouldn't be stunned. But
I do agree with Danny that the Clippers have pulled
the plot on their season trading away their best player.
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Uh now, maybe that'll set them up later with all
the picks they've acquired, and we'll see if they make
a trade. But I would say, as it stands, right now,
the Clippers are not going to make the playoffs, and
I think the Lakers are better than the Sacramento Kings.
I think the Lakers will squeak in What is the
actual Somebody looked this up for me. The time the
exact time of the NBA trade deadline is a four
o'clock Eastern on on Thursday, because I know it's Thursday,
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but I'm curious what exact time it is on Thursday,
because I know on Friday will probably be reacting to
whatever happened on Thursday. But I think, if I'm not mistaken,
it's like four o'clock Eastern, So that would mean whatever
the math is. Now, there's about thirty what thirty six hours?
It's three pm Eastern. Three pm Eastern is the official
trade deadline on Thursday. So let's say three pm Eastern arrives.
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And by the way, if you're not on Twitter, that
is what Twitter is made for, right the NBA trade deadline,
NFL start a free agency, everything else. That's where the
news breaks like crazy. So let's presume that it is
three oh one Eastern and the Lakers have been unable
to make any moves. What is Lebron gonna be like
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with the with the team that has left behind. Is
he gonna be like, is he gonna lie? Is he
gonna be like? You know what I decided. I told
the management that we couldn't make any moves because you
guys are too good and I thought you were better
than Anthony Davis. Like, does he call a team meeting?
Because right now it seems clear that Lebron is the
only guy who feels confident that he is going to
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be on the team Friday. Right If you saw the
way the Lakers played last night against the Pacers, that
is the overriding impact right now. I don't think it's
gonna be a good performance on Saturday against the Celtics,
but at least then those guys will know, hey, we
get to finish out the rest of this season before
anything happens. And I do think like it sucks to
get traded, probably if you're a young guy, period, But
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getting traded at the end of a season is nowhere
near the same as getting traded in the midpoint of
a season, where suddenly you're you know, and on an
airplane moving to a strange city. That's pretty overwhelming, even
for a veteran but for a younger guy who may
not have even lived in that many different cities in
his life. For instance, Alonzo Alonzo Ball hasn't been anywhere
other than l A. If he's suddenly got shipped to
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New Orleans, he'd be like a fish out of water.
Now his brothers have been to Lithuania or whoever the
heck it was was that Lithuania. I can't even remember
where they went and played pro basketball for for a
little bit of time. But does Lebron call a team
meeting and be like, hey, guys, I decided not to
trade anybody. He's got a lie, right, because those guys
would still know they weren't the preferred choices. I would
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love to know what Lebron does. If it's three oh
one eastern, nothing has taken place, nothing has happened. He's
stuck with basically the same squad he already had, and
then he's got a losing record, and he's got to
convince these guys that they can make the playoffs and
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I'm just glad. I was scared, boys and goods. I
thought he thought I was like this enormous piece of
chicken dime. Times. Here, this is animal Thunderdome. This is
an amazing opening paragraph to an animal Thunderdome story. A
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man whose body was discovered partially eaten by a bear
in the Great Smoky Mountains last year died of a
meth overdose before the bear got to him, according to
an autopsy released on Monday. The remains of William Lee Hill,
he was thirty, were discovered in the National Park in
September when officials encountered a bear feeding on the body
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in an area off a trail. Without knowing the exact
cause of death, park officials and wildlife professionals decided to
euthanize the bear a few days later for public safety reasons,
but on Monday they discovered that the man actually died
of a meth overdose. Uh and the thirty year old
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had gone to the park with his friend, who illegally
removed gensing, but the pair became separated and the other
guy dies as a result of a meth overdose. The
bear was killed and the park says attacks on humans
are rare bears or wild animals. So they're about fifteen
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hundred bears in the Great Smoky Mountains which exist along
the Tennessee North Carolina border. So for a little while,
a couple of things about this for a little while.
Do you think the meth translated to the bear? And
if so, how wild was that bear when he had
when he was a meth bear, I mean, just running
like crazy through the woods, all hopped up on meth,
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thinking he could destroy the world. That had to be
the most dangerous a bear ever in the history of mankind. Second,
the bear just gets killed for just eating a random
guy who died and was, you know, just off the trail,
like like left behind. So I think this is a
tough break for the bear. He didn't even do anything
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and he still got killed. But can you imagine a
meth bear like a bear all hopped up on meth,
and how much of an apex predator that bear would
have been. I'm no scientist, we only play those on
the radio here, but because of the way certain drugs
metabolized and all that, I'm wondering, if second hand, can
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that bear actually have any effects of the meth in
the bear system. My assumption is yes, because it's much
more entertaining to think about it that bear. I just
love the idea of the bear all met up, like
just knocking things over, running through trees, like just step
into other bears, um until it ends up eating shot.
But what does meth exactly due to people? Do? You know?
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I don't know much. I've never done it, but I
think it makes you basically feel like you're indestructive, you know,
like unjust indestructible, right, like it's who's the math expert
on here, dub um. I think it makes you feel
like you're completely like like I mean, you would be
like I think, like you're a superhero, right, I think
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I think that's LSD, isn't it. I mean maybe it's
a mellow or version of I'm gonna google it. What
does meth make you feel? Like? Yeah, don't use drugs kids, uh?
And because if you do, you might get eaten by
a bear? Right, I mean, I don't know how. Also
tough tough life to be out digging for jens ing
in the in the National park, which is illegal, and
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then decide you gotta do meth and then overdose and
then get eaten by a bear, it says euphoria. The
effect that math users are looking for is a kind
of intense pleasure called euphoria. Yeah, so, I mean I
think the bear would just be euphoric, you know, just
running around like, you know, convinced he's the greatest bear
that's ever lived. I don't think you want to step
to that. Um all right. Uh. We also have Oh man,
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this is an unbelievable story Colorado. Yeah, this was tweeted
to us hundreds of times. A trail runner in Colorado
killed a mountain lion with his bare hands in self
defense after he was attacked from behind on Monday. The
unidentified man suffered serious injuries, but he was able to
kill the animal while defending himself. The runner did everything
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he could save his life. In the event of a
lion attack, you need to do anything in your power
to fight back, just as this gentleman did, says Mark
Leslie the Colorado Parks in Wildlife. He choked out. He did,
he suffocated it, choked it out. I mean, he just
got his hands around. This is like my argument. Remember,
we had this argument for a while about the fact
that I thought I could kill an alligator. Um, but
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just like a lot enough elbows to the vital you know,
like an organ. Region. This guy gets attacked from behind
by a mountain lion and somehow maintains his wits and
chokes the thing out. Now, do you take some kill
points away because it was a juvenile mountain lion? It
depends on how much smaller a juvenile mountain lion is.
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I mean, yes, certainly, if I were this guy in
an ideal situation, I don't want the mountain lion described
as juvenile. But are we were not talking about like
a kitten. I mean, it's I think it said the
thing weight eighty pounds, So I mean, if you kill
an eighty pound mountain lion that attacks you from behind
while you're just out for a jog, it's not like
this guy was on a hunt, you know, and he
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had a weapon. He's used his bare hands to kill.
Remember we had this big discussion. I think it was
just a while back. Arian Foster argued that he could
kill a wolf with his bare hands, and there was
much discussion about whether or not that was possible, and
this certainly would go in favor of him, that this
guy was able to kill the mountain lion. And didn't
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we have a grandma like choke out a mountain lion
a while back in Georgia. Yeah, there's been a few
of these stories on Animal Thunderdome, and you're right this
even though it was a quote unquote juvenile mountain lion,
it did some damage to this guy. He's still in
the hospital with serious injuries including facial bite, wounds, lacerations
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to his arms, legs, and back. Yeah, we need to
get this guy on uh out kick at some point
if we can uh the authorities after the authorities are
done with them, because they say we have several questions
for him, So there that doesn't I mean, what questions
could they remotely have for him? Yeah, this guy, he's
not a bad guy, is a hero, and even if
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he picked a fight with the mountain lion, he still
wanted like the mountain lion he says, attacked him. But
I don't even know what questions they could have for him,
And why wouldn't they just go ahead and ask those questions. Anyway,
this is a big win for the humans in the
Animal Thunderdome. I know the animals are going to strike back,
but for a mountain lion to attack a random guy
jogging in Colorado, and the mountain lion cowardly attacked from behind,
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and then this dude just fights him often chokes it out.
I mean that is that's pretty awesome. I feel bad
for the meth bear, but the mountain lion human conflict.
I'm pretty pumped about about our success as a species
in this wind. By the way, you can always send
the animal thunderdome stories as many of you do. We
appreciate it. You can tag us on Twitter, you can
certainly make sure that we see them, and uh, we
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This is indeed the Guico out kick. The coverage studios
were joined now by Andrew Marshand. He is a reporter
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on sports and media and business related to issues for
The New York Post, and he broke a big story
about at Nan Verke and ESPN uh sportscaster ESPN announcer
who was fired for leaking information uh to a to
another sports website. Want to bring him in right now, Andrew,
this is a big story. I don't remember a story
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ever like this before, do you off hand? I mean
it does. Nothing comes to mind, at least with sports
media companies with someone getting fired for leaking. Uh so, yeah,
it's a it's a little bit different. I mean, having
covered teams for a long time, I know, uh, you
know there's sometimes some crackdowns with you know, I've covered
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the Yankees for years, but nothing like this where someone
got let go. We're talking to Andrew Marshan. So for
people who don't know this story, ad Nan Verke is
a fairly popular, versatile used a lot um announcer for
ESPN for a lot of their studio programming shows. What
happened and why did he get fired? So far as
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you've been able to uncover, well, yeah, he's a rising
He's a rising star to says forty affball guy did
a lot of filling work on ESPN radio, uh and
call football college basketball. And so the feeling from ESPN
was this was premeditated. Um, he he leaked some information,
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uh to the website awful announcing where first off, he
tipped them off to a conference call. And then they
had the conference call and it was it was about baseball,
and ad Nan Verke wasn't on it for most of
the conference call. So, uh, after the call, he called
one of his bosses and asked very pointed questions about
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you know, the contracts and the what's going on with
baseball and major and and ESPN And then those answers
ended up being on the ll PU announcing website later
that day. Um. And so the issue for ESPN, which
really got them going was first off, they felt like
it was premeditated. Secondly, Um, the fact is on the
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conference call, these things weren't discussed. So you know a
lot of times you're in a conference call fifteen people on,
there could be any one of fifteen people. Okay, gets
out this case, they didn't discuss what was in the report.
The questions were asked, uh to two vers boss and
they're kind of, you know, not really in his lane
in terms of really what his concerns probably should be.
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And then end up on a website later that day.
And then he wasn't forth the right in terms of
when he was confronted with this information. And it's a
harsh penalty. Uh could have been a two weeks suspension. Yeah,
it's possible. But uh, but then he was let go
and and that's where it stands right now. And if
he contemplating, I think you've reported a lawsuit right over
his firing. He is, he's either hired or will hire
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a Connecticut based lawyer, and you will probably pursue legal action. Now,
this is a fascinating story to me because by firing him,
they draw way more attention to this story than would
ever have existed if they had not fired him. I
assume you would agree with that, no doubt. So what
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is the ESPNS motivation here? Are they trying to basically
send a message to everybody else who's an employee that hey,
you better not be talking to media because if you do,
it could be your job. Is this is? Is he
just kind of the fall guy for a larger, uh,
a larger intent here to try to stifle the release
of sensitive information. Yeah. I can't speak to their full motivation,
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but I don't think so though. I don't think it's
some sort of let's make an example an ad Nan Burke.
I think this is a situation where it kind of
was a little fire and then it became a forest
fire and where they felt like this was the right
thing to do. You know, they just signed at nan
Burke to a four year contract. So it's not as if, um,
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you know, they didn't like him, Uh, you know, because
that that just happened. Um. But I mean, I think
a fair question to ask if this was Scott van Held,
you know, the Midnight Sports Center doing very well in
the ratings, and this happens, and you know Van Pell,
what's that he wasn't forthright? And you know the exact
same scenario, would he have gotten let go? I don't
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know about that so, um, but but I don't think
it's the stifle other people. I just think that the
fact of how you know a word that you know
sources keep telling me, the premeditated action of kind of
going out of your way to give company secrets. Uh,
that is what I think really said off ESPN. This
is always fascinating to me when a leak happens, Right,
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whether it's in the White House, whether it's out of
a team, whether it's in any other industry. Right, why
did the person want the story to be leaked? Um?
This story had to do with baseball Baseball ratings, whether
Baseball Tonight is going to be on ESPN. What was
adding in Vert's motivation to care enough about this story
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that he wanted it out there. And that's the it's
a very good question, and it's kind of it's right now.
I don't know. I don't have a full answer for you.
Why why he would do this? Because, like I said,
he just signed a four year contract. Perhaps and I
don't know this for sure, but perhaps you was leaking
information awful announcing to try to curry favor and good
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good publicity. That's been known to happen. But but like
I said, he just got a new contracts. I don't
really see, I don't really see the motivation for him,
um getting it out there. I think I saw you
tweet maybe or say something I want to on um
your periscope show about that. Maybe he wanted to try
to get public pressure to get Baseball Tonight on more regularly. UM,
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I don't know. That seems a little like I that's
an odd strategy to me for a sportscaster. I think
he was a little naive, quite honestly. And uh and
and it's it's cosm dearly, but I don't know if
there's some like, uh, huge game plan that was it
was it was in play. Yeah, And that's always what
surprises me is I buy that people will leak stories,
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but usually there's an underlying motivation on behalf of the
person who leaks. And what I always say is people
out there like we talk about stories like these. But
my position is, I don't think I've ever been an
anonymous source for an article. I mean, I mean that
legitimately and certainly I've never been anonymously quoted. Because if
I have an opinion on something, I just say it,
and if I don't feel comfortable saying it, then I
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don't say anything at all about it. And so that
to me is really what's so intriguing about this story
in general. One I don't necessarily think what got leaked
is like some major state secret that is like fundamentally
altering the trajectory of ESPN's business model. And two I
can't figure out why add Nan Verke would want to
be leaking this to begin with. And three I keep
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circling back around to the ESPN decision if they just
like kind of keep this in house, nobody else ever
hears about it, And it doesn't turn into a major story.
That's true. But when you run a business, though, I
don't know if you can every decision make you have
to think about only the pr point of view of it.
You know, it's because I think you have to. Again,
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I'm not saying their decisions right or wrong, but I
don't know if you can just say, well, we think
he should be let go, but we're not gonna let
him go because of the publicity won't be great. Um,
I think you have to do what you think is right.
I think you worry, you have to worry about publicity,
don't get me wrong, but you also I don't worry
about what you think is right. And I think what
really was broken is the trust between you know, Verked
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and you know his direct boss. Um, like you speak directly.
If this is what Phil or Leans is, the senior
coordinate producer. But if if you called Clay your bosses
at I Heart Radio or Fox Sports and said to them, uh,
you know, ask some pointed questions about stuff, and then uh,
you know, ten minutes later called me up leaked that
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information on. I don't know if they'd be at the
trust with you and your bosses would probably be severed.
And I'm not saying it's you know not you couldn't
repair it, but it would be difficult. So I think
that it's mainly stupid of me, right, which is why
to adding Invert's actions here, Like what does he think
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that people are not gonna know where this is coming from?
Like this just seems so dumb to me. It doesn't
seem bright like I, like I said before, it Adding
is a very talented broadcaster. And the reason that you know, um,
I think you have a little phone with I think
he's gonna be fine in terms of eventually he's very talented.
I think you'll get another jobs big in entertainment, Maybey'll
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move into that. Sports. I think they'll be opportunities. So
I think he's gonna be fine. But in terms of
the like why you would do that, I don't see
the motivation at all, Like what's in it for him? Again?
Just signed a new four year contract that was worth
more than seven figures in total, Uh so why why
get into this? And also just like you have to
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think about it, and I have sources of course, and
you know sometimes you're on you have a conversation with them,
and it just happened, and there's like three people in
the room, and it's like, yeah, you know what, you
know if I say to UM, I don't want to
get you in trouble, and then you know, and they
say you know this, you know, let's we had to
wait a little bit because there's three people in the room,
and it'll be it's pretty you know, obvious how he
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could eliminate and and that person would be the one
that point the finger at And in this case, yeah,
there was really no Um, it was obviously was him.
I mean there's no there's no other way to look
at it. And and also just asking the questions of
your boss there really have nothing to do with what
you what he does. I think that also hurt him.
Uh when the when he USTN made its final decision,
the story comes out one hour before kickoff for the
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Super Bowl on Sunday. Coincidental in your mind, Yes, I
mean I know how it worked. I mean I take
into all my sources, but yeah, I mean I was.
I mean I could just tell you on a personal level,
I was getting ready to review the super Bowl and
it wasn't really something I necessarily wanted UH to to
work on at that point. I was, you know, getting
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ready and watched the poo game, and you know, the
turnaround was pretty quick after I found out the information.
I think it was like forty five minutes later, you know,
I you know, made several calls and had confirmation we
had a story. Um up. So yeah, that had nothing
to do with it. I know that you tweeted that,
but that's completely inaccurate. I still think the timing is unbelievable,
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but you can you Yeah, I get to the sources,
but you're completely wrong on that. I get it why
you would think that. But and also if there were
the uh it actually if that it's it's it's totally incorrect.
Let me say that. But if it were, it would
have been a bad strategy because these types of stories
really get a social media lift everyone. A lot of
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people are on Twitter during the Super Bowl. Of the
Super Bowl was completely you know, boring, and the story, um,
I can tell you gotta at least be a post
and a lot of people picked it up. There was
read by a lot of people. Yeah, no doubt at all.
But pr one oh one, in my mind is right
before a major event about to happen, throw some story
out there. And and you hope that the game is
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actually really good and everybody forgets about what happened an
hour before the story. That would be my thought. All right,
two other questions I want to get to you. We're
talking to Andrew Marshawn, who writes at the New York Post.
Follow him on Twitter. I believe at Andrew marsh end
is uh Marshawn, Marshand You can tell me exactly how
to pronounce it. But Marshand, you do good work. You
can find him there, all right. Jeff Bezos talking about
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the Super Bowl is in the booth of Roger Goodell.
CBS shows him a hundred million people are watching. Is
that intentional? Would you be nervous if you had the
NFL Sunday ticket in your Direct TV and you see
Bezos in the in the suite of Roger Goodell right
before the NFL has to make a decision about whether
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to allow Direct TV to keep the NFL Sunday ticket, Yeah,
you'd be a bit nervous. Jeff Bezos is the stalking
horse for you know, network TV, uh in terms of
football and for Direct TV in terms of the Sunday
a ticket. I mean he can buy whichever package he wants.
The question is, here's the thing. There's a Sunday ticket
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to be in play. Um, you know we're still a
few years out Monday night football to be in play.
Uh Thursday, you know, you know by then, you know
could be in play. But you know he's not getting
the Sunday packages. Those are gonna be on network TV.
Uh So yeah, Amazon, you know Netflix is not getting football.
I'd be absolutely shocked. They have no ad business. There's
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the business, and if they paid so much money for football,
they'd have to raise the prices so that I'd be
shocked if they got into football. Um, you know the
other ones Facebook, Twitter, I doubt it, Amazon, the one
with Prime. Uh that if you're you know, the networks
or direct TV, you have to be concerned with. Do
you think the NFL is at all concerned that the
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NFL viewership for the Super Bowl drop below a hundred
million near a decade blow? Or do you think they
just write that off as this is a function of
the game not being very good this year? He has
a function of the game. I think, Hey, look are
they a little concerned? Of course? I mean you're gonna
be concerned if your ratings aren't what you want to be.
But uh, the game was terrible. There weren't a million
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storylines going in. Besides you know there there there were some,
but nothing that really stood out. Um, you know, but
in the Patriots are a I I think people you know,
we it's it's uh, your your buddy Collin Coward like
to say this, and he's right about like the tournament, Um,
you know, March madness. Everyone wants to see Cinderella, but
if you have Duke in North Carolina in the final,
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you're gonna have a higher rating. And I think the Patriots, uh,
for as much as everyone most people hate them. Besides
Patriots fans, Uh, they still we think are good for ratings.
The Rams don't have a following. And then the big
thing also is door Lean a pretty big city. Uh,
bodycott is the super Bowl? You know, they have the
audience that they usually do. Have you ever seen that before?
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By the way, I've never seen a city. You know
a lot of times you hear people say, oh, are
so disgusted of it. But New Orleans compared to last
year when they watched it, it it like a fifty seven rating.
I mean New Orleans a football crazy market this year
they dropped by over half. I've never seen anything like
that in one city. No, it's incredible, it's really Ah.
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You gotta tip your hat to you know, their dedication
of boycotting that said. I mean, I don't I don't
know what you've said on this, but the same top
the ball in overtime. So it's a little much. It
was a terrible miscall, but I mean they're miscalls in
a lot of games that that have happened for forever.
So it's not like the things didn't have a chance.
They gotta run the ball. There's a million things. So
I think it's a little overblown. But in terms of
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a boycott, as much as you could do, that was impressive.
Last question for you, Lebron James and the Lakers got
whipped last night. They lose by forty two. They're currently
in tenth place in the Western Conference in the NBA
playoff race. If the Lakers do not make the playoffs,
the reaction for ESPN and t n T executives is
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how much panic? Yeah there, I don't know if they'll panic,
but they'll be. It's that good for them. I mean,
Lebron is the calling guard of the n b A.
He's the guy everyone wants to see, lovem or hate him.
But the ratings show that Lebron is the most important
player by far in that league. And if he's not
in the playoffs, uh, it's it's bad for the league.
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You know, we we talked about the NFL ratings. I
know you you've talked about that a lot, and I
think the biggest factor manival ratings were down, and they
were up during the regular season a lot this year,
but when they were down was quarterback play and and
also the fact that they have too many games on
and they you know, they they put their programming on
too many nights and it made it not special. And
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they have two games. But stars are what sell you know,
it's and and Lebron is the biggest star by far
in the NBA. So yes, that would be terrible for
Turner and for ESPN ABC if they have no Lebron
in the playoffs. Why do you think, by way, I
know I said last question, but this builds off that one.
Why do you think the amount of attention for the
NFL ratings and the fact that they were down dwarfs
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all of the attention on the fact that the NBA
is down substantially because Lebron to a large extent, has
moved to the Western Conference and a lot of people
on the East Coast can't stay up for his games anymore.
Yet almost no one is talking about the NBA ratings
going down, and everyone was talking about the NFL. Two things.
First off, nf the NFL is the biggest sport, so
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they're gonna get more attention, you know. Number two is youah,
the Colin Kaepernick situation and the President getting involved, that's
going to bring more attention to it as well. And
number three is the NBA has had really great ratings
you know, last year, and I think the story is
um maybe slowered unfold. And four this most bortan one.
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I can't speak for what other people do. I've written
about it, um, so what other people choose to cover
and not cover, uh, you know, that's their decisions. I
can't speak for why other people don't cover it. Um.
You know that said, I think if you look deep
into it, they turner got a best you know, a
tough schedule to start and their way down opening night. Uh,
(51:14):
and then they've been trying to fight back. They're not
going to fight all the way back. Ever since, the
ratings have gone up and ABC has done pretty good,
uh you know, and ESPN has been kind of flat.
So it's not as I don't think it's as extreme
as the NFL ratings were when it when it when
it went down. Andrew, appreciate you waking up early with us.
Helped to have you on again soon and uh, good
luck chasing down those leaks. All right, thanks. Thanks. Be
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Tobias Hairs being shipped to the Philadelphia seventies sixers. Now
they have four big time stars on the seventies sixers.
They're making a move in the Eastern Conference, trying to
keep up with Let's be honest, I mean, there's basically,
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I think it's fair to say four teams that you
would think have a decent chance to win the Eastern Conference.
The Celtics, even though they've been a little bit wobbly
and we don't exactly know what's gonna happen with their
team chemistry. The Raptors, who have rented Kawhi Leonard trying
to persuade him to stay with them. Raptors may be
making some moves UH before the NBA trade deadline as well.
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And the Milwaukee Bucks, who I think are still a
little bit under the radar UH with Janice and exactly
how good they have been um in UH in Milwaukee.
So those are the three teams, along with the seventy
Sixers that I would say feel like, hey, once we
get to the playoffs, we could potentially advance all the
way to the NBA Finals. How much of a difference
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does Tobias Harris make in the Eastern Conference? Does this
propel the seventies sixers in some way to the top
of the potential contenders given their four man talent that
they have right now? They've already traded for Jimmy Butler
as well, obviously they have. They have got a lot
of talent. They lost for those of you don't remember,
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to the Celtics last year in the second round of
the playoffs. If I'm not mistaken, UH, in the Eastern Conference?
Do they have enough to get past now? What do
you think, Danny G Yeah, well, you're right about the
Bucks weighing low under the radar because they actually have
the best record in the entire NBA right now, thirty
nine and third, which I think would surprise a lot
of people who aren't paying much attention to the regular
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season NBA. So I don't I don't think the seventy
sixers are gonna pass the Bucks at this point, but
they could get all the way up to number three
or number two Tobias Harris. It's interesting because I was
listening to our flagship station in l A A M
five seventy l A Sports yesterday right before the Clippers
game started. I was listening to the pregame and they
were having this long conversation about Tobias Harris and how
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he's such a streaky shooter. He'll be super cold one game,
then he'll go off in the next game, and then
of course they ship them off. It's gonna help the
Sixers as far as when he's on fire, but then
when he's cold, he's cold. That's how it is with
Tobias Harris. Yeah, and I don't think they're thinking we're
gonna get the number one seed or anything like that,
but I think they're thinking, hey, they'll be wide open
(54:07):
in the Eastern Conference. As a result of this move,
we feel like we can be as good as anybody else.
What about you, Eddie Garcia, do is that? Where would
you slot the Sixers right now in the wake of
this move? You know, I'm still unsure with the Boston
Celtics exactly where where they're fitting in all this. I
know Kyrie Irving is in and out of a lineup,
(54:28):
but I would put them probably maybe third behy in
Toronto and Milwaukee. Yeah, I think right now if you're
and I know it's not reflected in the standings right now,
but if you were asking me, who do you think
is gonna win the Eastern Conference? I would go with
the Celtics because I think the Celtics with Brad Stevens
as their coach. We saw what they did last year.
(54:48):
They almost went to the Eastern Uh. They almost went
to one the Eastern Conference last year, UH, losing in
seven games to UH to the Calves, right, and in
a series that when they beat the Calves, they didn't
just beat the Calves, they oftentimes blew them out right.
So I understand that was a tough shot for the Celtics. UH.
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I don't buy in necessarily to the Raptors, even though
they've traded to Rosen and they've got a new vibe
with Kawhi Leonard. We talked about this last year. I
got burned buying into the fact that they were UH
worthy of of contemplation as Eastern Conference champs. By the way,
you want to talk about NBA television partners losing their
minds if Lebron either didn't make the playoffs or lost
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in the first round of the Western Conference playoffs and
then you ended up with the Warriors against the Raptors.
UH So you had a Canadian team advancing to the
NBA Finals. The amount of money that television networks would
lose t N T and UH ESPN would be off
the charts. That has to leave television executives staring at
(55:54):
the ceiling late at night, shivering in a cold sweat,
because that's potentially out there as a possibility. Having said that,
I think it's going to be the Celtics against the Warriors.
I don't think this move by the seventies Sixers changes that.
But certainly you could make that argument if you are
bullish on the seventies sixers future, given that they now
have four big time playmakers. Now that they've added Tobias Harris,
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