June 30, 2020 • 51 mins
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Sports Radio. Clay actually is going to take the rest
of the week off unless giant news breaks. Yesterday he
was gonna be off, but he and I ended up
discussing Cam Newton for three hours, and we're gonna talk
a lot of Cam Newton on this show today. I
am Jason Martin. You may know me as a host
of Jason Martin Show on Sunday mornings here on fs
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are three to six am Eastern time, if you're up
early or up late. Also the former executive producer of
this fine show. And Jeff Schwartz you may remember him
from well playing in the NFL for much of a
decade and usually he is the guy in the chair
opposite me when we do these shows. Jeff, what's going on? Man?
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I'm good. Uh yeah, And I don't know if people
really realized me that I play in the NFL anymore.
I'm just the guy on Twitter who trolls people from
time to time and post football takes and and some
memes and some and some videos in the pool. That's
That's about my my daily routine now. So I was
so glad Jason that we had some sort of football
news the other day felt like a normal day. It
felt like a normal day of just sports, right, I mean,
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we had no sports. We only talked about Cam Newton.
This is why I've been happy the NFL has continued
business as usual during the pandemic, because we've had days
where I didn't think about anything but when I normally
was this time of year, which is football. So it
made me feel normal again for a little bit of
time to to talk about Cam Newton. Um Also, at
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the same time, the Patriots news drops that they got
some news, and it was completely one thousand percent time
to be that way. Mean, there's no way that Bill
Belichick just decided Sunday night We're gonna sign Cam Newton.
I'm sure that it works for quite a bit of time,
especially with how simple the contract was and uh, it
felt like like we had some some normalcy for a
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little bit of time. So I was glad that. I
was glad to see before that the news came out
that there's a some some other freak show flu virus
strain that's coming our way the fall possibly. So uh,
that was that was a good break for a little
bit of time. Yeah, you gotta appreciate the Patriots, like
they Stimy Stone and stimy Seau McVeigh and the super
Bowl and then they found a way to mitigate bad
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news by dropping out. By the way, Cam Newton, like,
don't worry over don't worry about this whole one point
one million dollar fine and loss of a draft pick
over here, don't worry about that. We got Cam Newton.
That's what you're gonna want to talk about. And they
they guessed. Right. So you're in Charlotte and you've watched
Cam Newton up close and personal, and you know that
organization fairly well know a lot of people associated with
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that organization. Clay and I yesterday talked a lot about
is how this just feels like a total win on
all sides. Like, look, ultimately, if Cam Newton can't play
Cam Newton can't play, but he seems driven to try
to prove otherwise, which is a positive. And then on
the flip side, if you're the Patriots, this is what
they do. I mean, we could go through a list
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of big name guys that they've brought in just to
see I think that's the best way. We're just gonna see. Like,
you know, they haven't been able to really look at
him up close lately because of the pandemic, and there
were a lot of articles written about how that was
gonna hurt Cam's chances of actually landing a home because
nobody could really get to see him in a way
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that they wanted to see him. But you think about
Ocho Cinco, you think about even Randy Moss, you think
about Antonio Brown, Like they're just gonna give some guys
a shot. In Belichick, if you've looked over the years,
has always had a healthy level of respect and admiration
for what Cam Newton is capable of. Well, Cam Newton
has torn him apart. I mean that's why he feels that.
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And we've seen throughout the years that Belichick has more
respect for players that are able to really get after
him personally because obviously he's he reveres himself as a coach.
And I mean he's always respected Andy Reid, for example,
whose whose teams have played well against they haven't always won,
but offensively, who've scored a lot of points even with
Alex Smith quarterback against the Patriots. I know he respects
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Andy Reid for for those reasons and for Cam Newton.
He has played very well against New England in his time.
He's used his legs to do a lot of that damage.
And you know this, this, this just made a lot
of sense for for many reasons. Um. One is that
and this is something that I think we we don't
discuss enough when it comes to just how we talk
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about quarterback contracts and just contracts in general. And I
use this a lot when discussed Colin Kaperna coming back
to the NFL, because people always talk about, you know,
what contract should he get? It was compared to someone else, right,
just like they're comparing Cam Newton's contract to Chase Daniel,
let's say, or or someone else. Um there's different levels
of contracts, right. So there's there's the Hey, I'm signing
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to just be a backup guy. I'm signing to be
the third string guy. Cam Newton was only signing somewhere
to be a starter. I understand the contract is very
low here and the reason why the Patriots had all
the leverage in the world because guess what, guys, there's
really one spot for came to be the starter right away,
and that's New England. There's no other place in football
right now where Cam would show up and be the
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day was. Guess whatever one, he's the day one starter
in New England. Sorry for people to think otherwise, that's
that's he's I don't if he's healthy, Cam starting and
so and so this was the one place where he
would would to go to start. And he could have
gone to one year deal for seven five million to
be a backup somewhere, but he didn't want that deal.
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Just like other guys might not take a third string
quarterback deal. He wanted to be the starter. Jamis Winston,
for example, knew that he was not going to be
a starter anywhere. No one was gonna pay him to
be a starter, so he took a backup deal team
that rehabilitated Teddy Bridgewater and got him to get you know,
to be paid. So Cam was specifically looking for a
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place to start. And if you look even throughout the
draft process, through free agency, even going back further, there
was only one place, New England. So it made a
ton of sense for Cam to want to do this deal,
and he got it done and now goes to New England.
And I think, I don't know how you feel about this, Jay,
I think he's the day one starter, like from today,
like he's starter. If he if he I mean as
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solids he passes, is physical, and he is his health
is not a concern, then of course he is. I
don't see any other way. And you know, one of
the other sideline things that had been talked about in
several forums since the NFL schedule was released Jeff is
the Patriots still had an inordinate amount of prime time
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games on Thursdays on Sundays. Uh, you know, they were
still going to be featured in all these big windows
Monday night football, and some thought, well, that's gonna be boring.
I I had a storyline there in my head, and
it's just like, well, you just want to see whether
or not in Belichick is that smart that he could
overcome all of this? But how long are you going
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to watch that? Now? Cam Newton makes them must see television.
It makes that division better, It makes the a f
C better, just in terms of interest level here, I'm
not necessarily talking about quality. Now. If he can't get
it done, if he can't stay on the field, all
this becomes moot. But as it stands right now, it
seemed curious to me that they didn't do anything in
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the draft quarterback wise, and they didn't go get one
of the guys, and we had talked about Cam now
I think you and I even talked about Cam Newton
months ago to New England. They just waited and they
waited and they waited. And of course the timing of
the news with the the other deal, with the taping
deal is is interesting. But do you think maybe that
they just sat and waited and let at price go
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down a little bit more as opposed to pulling that
trigger before COVID. If they pulled that trigger, let's say
in February, just as one example where they tried to
make that move in February, right after the Brady information,
they knew Brady wasn't coming back, and they decided to
go do that. I feel like they would have had
to pay more money for Cam Newton than they ended
up having to pay now. And I'm not sure that
they had as a matter of fact, because they were
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pretty tight to the cab. Well, I I'm with you there.
I think they had they had to wait in Plus,
I don't think I know, we want to give Belichick
a lot of credit for this move, but it was
a very obvious move. I don't know how much he
deserves as far as like, hey, this is a genius
pick up by you know, by by Belichick. I don't
think that they targeted Cam Newton in March. I don't
think the targeted Cam Newton, you know, around the draft
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time either. I think they had a plan in the draft.
The plan might have been to draft somebody a certain
slot and he wasn't available, so they just drafted someone else. Um,
and they didn't feel that they need to trade up
to get a quarterback as well, and and um, they
just were looking after the draft and said, hey, well
look who's left Cam Dude. I never bought that Jared
Stidham was the guy. Look at the history of the
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NFL really just right now, the outside of Russell Wilson,
Tom Brady, Dak Prescott, I think Cousins every quarterback, every
franchise quarterback, starting quarterback is a first or really a
mid second round draft I think like car is like
the lowest second round draft pick who's really starting. There.
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There's a couple of guys here and there I might
have missed, but every guy playing is a high level
draft pick that it doesn't mean even win a Super Bowl,
but that is the formula for success in the NFL.
So Jaredson is a fourth round pick, It's probably not
gonna be successful. Like Tom Brady was like, like, you're
not gonna hit lightning the bottle twice with a late
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round draft pick to become your franchise quarterback. And so
I just think Bill Belichick never thought he was gonna
be the guy. Now. He might not have an answer.
He might have not had he you know Cam. Let's
say Cam signed with the Chargers and he's s oll
like he's going to he's gonna ride stand him and
see what happens. But this kind of just fell into place.
So I don't I don't want to. I don't want
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to say Belichick was the genius for this kind of happening,
because I think it just kind of fell into place
after the draft because there's other teams could have signed him.
There wasn't much interest, supposedly, but it makes a ton
of sense. And one thing I want I want to
cover early here and we could talk obviously, I'll show
about this. You know, people will say, well, what version
of camerare they getting? And if you listened to me
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on any platform for a long period of time. I
live in Charlotte, I played with CAM for a year.
I was on radio here for a little bit of time.
I'm now sitting in my office in Charlotte. UM, I've
watched all Cam. I played with CAM, I know players
who play with Cam. I've always been a little bit
harsher on him as a player, not as a person.
I think he's done great in the community, has been
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I have no problem with who he is as a
person um, but as a as a passer, I've always
been a little more critical with him because I think
accuracy is supremely imported in the NFL. We've seen that
just be able to complete passes a high percentage and
just be accurate, you know, you run a more efficient
offense that way. And Caim for a long part of
his career wasn't even the seasons MVP or which he
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totally deserved. He was great. He only completed passes. That's
not a lot. That's about where he is, Jeff, I mean,
that's about where he is year after year. I looked
at one stat and I mentioned this to Clay yesterday. Uh,
if you look at the last couple of years and
you really want to focus on eighteen and not nineteen
obviously because he didn't play very much at nineteen, he
seems to throw a pretty high percentage of what an
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advanced analytics person would deem bad throws. That's the way
it was actually contextualized was as he had thrown like
three seventy passes over the past two seasons, and sixty
two of those passes were deemed bad throws. Uh. Yeah,
there's a little bit of context. I think it involved
in in this discussion. So the first half of twenty
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team he was healthy, right he was. There were six
and two the Panthers were and then went to Detroit
Detroit Pittsburgh on that Thursday night game and he got
his shoulder injured by by when Watt hit it. Up
until that point, he completed sixty of his passes. It
was the best he's done in his career. Was the
first time in his career, by the way, he was
in what I would consider a pro style passing offense.
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North Turner was the offensive coordinator long time, obviously o
C for years and years. He was the o C
of the Cowboys and the nineties back in the day,
was good head coach um and he was a different player.
He was a pocket passer who got the ball out
on time to the target, accurate passes um and you know,
he obviously sprinckled in some of his of his running ability,
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and then he got hurt and he wasn't very good
that So that first half of teen, Cam Newton, that's
what I think we'll get in Carolina. I mean, not
in Carolina, in New England. If we get that in
New England, that's gonna lead them to the an f
C East. Like that's good enough in my opinion. So
the back half of eighteen, yeah, he was hurt, didn't
play very well. That's fair to criticize him there. But
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in the first half of eighteen he did a really
good job. I've got the status. Yeah, yeah, you're right,
he was. They were six and two, eight games in
in the NFC South, he was tenth and passer rating
at one point eight. He was twelve and QBR at
sixty three point one. His completion percentage was sixty seven
point three. And then came the fifty two to twenty
one game in Week ten with the Steelers, and then
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you realize, Okay, the shoulder is no good. Here's the
way Bill Barnwell wrote about what you just said. It's
important to make this distinction, meaning between the first and
the second half at that point in time, because if
you weren't paying attention to the Panthers last summer and
into the preseason, you might have missed an important piece
of information. By all accounts, Newton healed from that shoulder injury.
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One report from camp lauded the return of his deep ball,
which had gone missing as a result of the shoulder
injury the prior year. He looked to be back on
schedule to return to the Panthers primary quarterback, and while
I'm sure there would have been some growing pains, there
was no suggestion that he was still being bothered by
his shoulder when the next injury struck. And that, of
course is your list, Frank, and that just that's when
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I started seeing a Cam Newton that just didn't look
like he wanted to be there anymore, Like he looked
like Andrew Luck looked. The day that Andrew Luck walked
off the field for the final time in the preseason. Well,
and I and I am with Cam on that feeling.
I mean like that that to rehab all the time.
I mean I did that for for three years, two
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years basically this okay to my big toe. And I
broke my leg twice within three or sixty four days.
Like I I rehabbed for two straight years every day
when I was playing or not, offseason, season whatever. Rehab
is grinding, dude, And it's mentally exhausting because you often
don't see strides for weeks at a time. And my
dad right now at hip surgery and he got his
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hip replace and he he commented, like two weeks, agoes, man,
this we have stuff. It's something, yeah, Dad, it is yes,
he said, I know how you feel. I know, thank you.
Like it's mentally and that's why Andrew Luck retired. It
wasn't like he didn't love the game anymore. He was
tired of making sure his body felt good. And I
did worry that Cam was gonna retire because he kind
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of just had enough of the rehab stuff. And so yeah, yes,
he was miserable and I and I empathize with Cam
for being miserable having to deal with all these injuries.
But he seems rejuvenated. Now go to me knowing that
playing well for one year, and this is why I
think it's gonna work. Jason. The number one reason why
is Cam and Belichick both have a mutual reason to
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make this work. Cam was to revive his career. And
we've seen what reviving your career can do in New England.
Whether it's obviously well, Jimmy didn't revive his square, but
he was drafted there, got signed by the trading Niners,
signed because Matt Castle throughout revis Randy Moss. You've seen
what what reviving your career looks like in New England.
If he can do that for one season, he will
get paid million dollars next season by somebody, might be
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the Patriots. And Belichick wants to give an f you
to Tom Brady and everyone else that he can win
without Tom Brady. So for one year's not a five years,
it's a one year deal. They both have a desired
outcome that leads to winning, and that's why I think
it's gonna work. Yeah, you know, you talk about the
concept of mutually assured destruction, this is kind of the
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opposite of It's like both of them have every reason
in the world to go balls out and make this
thing happen, like to just go for it and go
for broken. And yes, Belichick's ego is absolutely part of this.
We'll continue down the Cam. This this Cam warmhole, which
is it's fun to be able to talk about a
sporting thing, and we will get to the NBA stuff
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a little bit later on, but we still got plenty
more to talk about with Cam, including the weapons he's
got around him and how similar that is to the
situation he often had in Carolina. If you have thoughts
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I'm sure you saw that. Chris Paul and I think
it's Chris Paul is the one that did the interview
with Mark Spears on Sunday Morning. Saturday night. It kind
of hit I think in the midst of my show,
um the Jason Mark Shaw what you can hear on
many of these same Fox Sports radio affiliates across the
country about the uniforms and how they can put they
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can take their name off the back and put social
justice slogans or charitable causes or things like this. And
the first thing I thought was, it's kind of like
the NFL cleats when they are able to do that
for like a game or two or whatever, if they
want to do causes or charities or things like that.
But I wanna do the same thing basically I did
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on the show Sunday, and I actually got pretty decent
pushback from the guys out in l A who just
disagreed with me on this, which made me happy, just
because I wanted to hear a different perspective on this.
But my initial take on this is it's a horrible idea,
it's a horrible decision. But I need to back up
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because I think Laura Ingram's wrong, which she says shut
up and dribble. I think that's dehumanizing to some degree
because I recognize the value of human life, and I
recognize that Lebron James, or Anthony Davis or Dirk Nvitski
or anybody else that's ever played in sport, in any sport,
has value far beyond what they do on a basketball floor,
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on a football field, on the ice, wherever it is.
I recognize that you have value, that you have amazing
talents and abilities that we get to see, but that
you also care about other things. And you live in
a country where I will stand arm in arm with
you even if I disagree with you, to champion your
ability to say something that I don't agree with. I
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love the fact that we well we should, at least increasingly.
I worry about it. But we live in a country
where that's okay. But if you put if you take
your name off and you put Trayvon Martin, or you
put to Mirror Rice, or if you put George Floyd
or Brianna Taylor or any of these names that have
been discussed on here, or if you put Black Lives Matter,
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or if you put all of that kind of thing
on there, you are more than the entertainment you provide
as a human being, But during the time in which
you are actually on the floor, is it not fair
of me just to say, I really do just want
you to entertain me. Then it's the same thing as yes,
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I know Scarlett Johansson is more than Black Widow, but
when I go pay to see Black Widow, I just
want to see her as black Widow. I don't need
to hear about her causes and things like that. And
I know she has a platform because she has me
in a theater and she can do you that. But
it's about the time and the place. And Chris Paul
said in the interview Jeff that you know after in
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press conferences after the games, he's hoping and the the
players that agree with this are hoping that this is
gonna encourage more questions in press conferences. Last I checked,
if they want to say something, they can say something.
Then I thought about this and I said, well, what's
gonna be acceptable and what's not? Because here comes the
first degree of pushback. Let's say I want to put
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hashtag MAGA on the back of my jersey. Let's say
I want to put hashtag in the lockdowns on the
back of my jersey. Should they be back in effect.
Or let's say I believe in equal justice. Let's say
I really champion social justice, and my champion of true
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social justice and reconciliation and revival is Christ. And so
I want to put Hebrews twelve three on the back
of my jersey. How is that going to be received? Well,
there's there's a lot of there's a lot of things
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to get to here, and a lot of a lot
of great points you made. Of course, you made a
movie reference that I just completely um, followed by I
know Scott Johnson is but black widow no idea. Um. Look,
you bring up a lot of extreme points. One is
it Obviously, I think we both believe in the free
speech right, like like, go ahead and do it, um
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if NBA allows it. The one thing that's interesting about
this is the argument that I always make about the
NFL kneeling. As I say, during the actual course of
the game, there are no politics involved. Now you might
disagree with that because of of you know the the
Rooney rule and you know their coaches on the filming.
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There's ways to to to to say there's politics involved
in the actual gameplay, but there really isn't. Right Like
when we walk the game from the kickoff to the
final play, there's not politics involved. We watch an NBA
contest from the tip off un till the end of
the game, there's not politics involved. When we watch baseball
the first pitch to the last pitch, there's not politics involved.
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Right now. Again, you can find nit picks here and
there when they are involved, but most often they're not.
And that's always been my argument about why you can
still watch the NFL if you don't agree with the dealing,
right because just just don't watch the nealing or just
don't really, it doesn't affect the actual game you're watching,
right it's beforehand, and yeah it's a talking point, you
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might not like it, but the actual gameplay there's nothing
involved with politics. But now at the NBA, they are
they are including that during the during the game. And
I do think while I'm pretty much indifferent to this stuff,
like I I really I'm gonna watch it and July thirty,
I don't care what Lebron has in the back of
his jersey, like it never I'm just indifferent to this.
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If if players want to use their platform, go ahead,
if they don't go ahead, it does not bother me.
It's never changed the way I felt about a player
or or or the game, but I will. I can
see how this will turn people off because they do
come to the actual contest to just watch sports and
not have you know, the political stances actually happened during
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the actual game. And to your point about what if
they put a slogan on there that that's not as
agreeable to social media, the backlash that happens there, so
you really can't have it. But I agree there will
be backlash if someone puts MAGA on the back of
their jersey or put something else on there. I'm not
sure to be backlash to too religious to religious boy boy,
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I do. I'm not saying that it's going to come
from the same the same point. Look, Jeff, I know
we come from different perspectives to some degree, um, but
I think this is a place to have honest discussions.
This is a place to have authentic discussions. And there
is a narrative right now, There is an agenda right now.
There is some insidious stuff going on below, like the
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biggest The biggest thing right now is there a certain
things that you can't criticize despite the fact that they
are obvious and true and One of the things that
we have seen increasingly is that we live in a
post Christian culture. We don't live in a culture where
it is okay to be an open Christian. It is
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something that can can tar and feather you in many
ways because of social media. Now, you and I actually
were talking during the break uh minutes ago about how
social media ruins your life, like it makes it worse.
It doesn't technically ruin it, but it makes it worse.
And I said, I hadn't been on Twitter until this
morning for a month, and I was just living my
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life and I was trying to see how much I missed.
And I actually went on you know what, I misrepresented
that I was on Saturday night for just a little bit.
My ego got the better of me, and I wanted
to see what mentions I had gotten over the last month.
And then I went through the timeline for about forty
five seconds, and I was like, get me the hell
out of here now, Like what am I doing? This
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is gonna send me back off for a month. But
I know this week with us doing this show, I
do want to be able to interact with people. So
during the time that that we're actually on I'm gonna
be on social media, but we have come to a
place where and then the secondary story about this is
the NBA is gonna paint Black Lives Matter on all
of the courts in Orlando. And I'm gonna say something
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that you're not supposed to say because it goes against
the narrative, it goes against the agenda. And there are
overlords here who decide what social justice looks like and
what isn't that And when you think about black lives matter,
it's real simple. I believe black lives matter, because we
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all do. I mean, I don't know anybody that doesn't.
I have no idea where that comes from. But this
is how it works. You come up with a slogan
that's a simple sentence. That is easy too. I mean,
you can't say anything other than well, yeah, of course
black lives matter. I believe black lives matter in every
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possible way. But I sure as hell don't believe in
black lives matter. And that's the problem is it's not
just a statement. It's far more than that. It's a movement,
and we don't have to get into the minutia of that.
You can go to their website and find out all
you want to about that, but there is a lot
going on here. John Moran has had to apologize because
he said he wanted to put f above twelve for
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his jersey, and that basically means twelve twelve being a
slur for cops. I've been wondering that, Like I've seen that. Remember,
Adam twelve was was an old was an old comedy
cops show back in like the fifties police show. I
think it's I don't know if it's a fifties or
sixties before my time. I remember you used to pop
up on Nick at night, and so I'm assuming that
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that's where it comes from. But twelve is a derogatory
term for police, and he's apologized for that and said, hey,
there's a good, good police out there and all this
kind of stuff. I just think you are. Here's the
other thing, and this goes to my point about white
house visits and the national Anthem, which I think both
should be canceled because it forces you to take a
stand even if you don't want to. And my example
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is always the same. I know how my dad votes,
and I know how my mom votes. I've known it
basically my whole life. I know they often disagree politically.
They've been married forever and love each other, and I
hope that my marriage goes as well as their's does.
But they keep that private. It's not something that they
They don't introduce themselves the way you do on social media.
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Now when you go and you look at somebody's bio
and in that slow deal right there, you see exactly
where they vote because they want you to know. I'm
not gonna walk up to you, Jeff at Radio Row
and say, hey, I'm Jason Martin, conservative, Christian, libertarian, like
I'm not. That's not My identity is rooted in something
a lot bigger than where it is that that I'm
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going to vote in November or anywhere else. But that's
kind of I think where we have gotten to here.
And if I am just a player that wants to
wear my jersey the normal way, okay, I saw Chris
Paul said that's gonna be okay, But don't you think
it's gonna become a roll call of who does and
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who doesn't, and those who don't are gonna be questioned
about that by a media that I think is complicit
in wanting these messages to be there so that they
can make them a story when all we want. We
talked in the first hour about Cam Newton and how
excited we were to be able to talk about sports
and how football is saying full steam ahead, and we're
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excited about all this kind of stuff. Why can't the
NBA do the same thing. It's not like Lebron James,
Anthony Davis or anybody else doesn't have eight trillion different
platforms in which they can say whatever they want to say.
They can lead marches, they can lead protests, they can
spend money, they can start foundations, they can speak in
press conferences, they can speak on social media, they can
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do anything. They can do endorsement deals with charities or
whatever in the world. But for that two and a
half here it is. It's the same thing as this.
I believe black lives matter. I don't believe in black
lives matter, because there's a difference between those two things.
I don't believe shut up in dribble, but I do
believe that while you're playing the sport. I just want
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to be able to watch the dribble because that's what
I paid the sea is to be entertained. Ultimately, we
want to escape into sports, and the NBA is not
gonna let us do that. It's gonna be on the
floor in front of us, it's gonna be on everybody's
jerseys with all these different causes, but it's gonna only
be select causes. And I think the unintended consequences of
forcing people to make this decision and other players that
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don't want to do this maybe feeling almost forced to
do it. There was another part where Chris Paul said, Hey,
if you don't know which causes to support them, will
will lead you in the direction of some we believe
would be good. What are we doing here? What is
the necessity of doing this on your uniform and opening
up I think cans of worms that flat out do
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not need to be opened up. Well, many things to
touch on here, Um, I do think that, And this
is I can really despect to the NFL. But I've
discussed this not with you, but in general, UM is
that when it comes to kneeling right, we're gonna see
a lot of players kneel I think in a week one.
I don't think it's gonna go past a lot past
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week one, but I think people are going to judge
the players that don't kneel now, right, like like why
you're not kneeling? Why don't you Like for me, for example,
when I was playing, there's probably no chance that would
have kneeled. And that does not mean I don't support
my teammates and their cause, I very much do. But
then like that wasn't really I wasn't I was out there,
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like like I would not have been comfortable to answer
the questions that were brought to me. Now you have
to actually have to be comfortable answering the questions brought
to you on the other side possibly now as well,
But like that wasn't like I wasn't able to do that.
In my CRITI probably got I got to the Giants,
so I felt more comfortable in the role I had
on the team. Maybe I would have done it then,
but I probably would not have kneeled, And I don't think.
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I think a lot of players like feel the same
way as me. It's not that we don't support our
teammates and and we don't listen to them and whatnot.
But now guys that don't kneel are gonna be asked
why aren't you ceiling? And I think for the n
B a and I'm curiously how many players do this? Um,
you know, why don't you have something in the back
of your jersey? So as far as the black lives
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matter on the court? Um, I I think and maybe
I'm unique in this that I can kind of mentally
like detach myself from social media saying like, hey, this
platform is not real life. I use it for work,
I use it as a joke. I do follow for news, um,
you know. But but like generally speaking, I kind of
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just know what it is, um, And I'm able to
detach personally, I think from politics and sports. Now I
think I can watch the NBA and see names in
the back of the jersey and see black lives matter
in the court and just detach my brain from like
I'm just watching the game. It's on the court, like whatever,
it doesn't bother me, to the fact that I just
I'll be able to watch it. Find Do you not
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think you'll be able to detach from the political message
just to watch the games? Like will it bother you?
Or do it bother you that that the other side
is not getting the same respect if they put that
on their jersey? Is that like does that bother you more?
Or just the fact that's kind of on the court
while you're watching the game. The on the court thing.
If they want to put that message there, it's gonna
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upset some people. It's not gonna upset some people. I
have a visceral reaction to that particular statement because I'm
anti Marxist, and I'll just leave it right there. But
when you get past all of that, and you're right, yes,
you can separate the two sort of, except people are
donating money based on a sentence, not realizing where that
money is actually going and what it's actually funding. When
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you put stuff on the back of your jersey, I
honestly don't care which side. It is just a time
and a place situation, and that ain't the time and
that ain't the place. Can you separate it and watch basketball? Yeah,
I'm not gonna boycott the n b A. I'm gonna
watch it because I love hoops. But at the same time,
if ESPN or anybody else starts talking about these various
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things instead of the game, that's gonna get frustrating. And
I think, regardless of us coming from a different place
on this, Jeff, you have to agree because we have
talked about off air, just in text change and things
like that. How it does seem like and we'll get
into this when we come back out of the break,
that there are people rooting for sports not to be
played and that's preposterous, but there is a media that
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is rooting for things to happen instead of celebrating them.
I went off on the Bonus edition about kick to coverage,
and I think I might have even said it on
Friday as well about the bubble Wallace situation, because as
soon as I found out that wasn't what it was
purported to be at first, I said, that's awesome. Can
we celebrate that It turns out this country is not
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quite as broken as some thought, Like that should be
a great thing, that should be a positive thing. But
the reaction wasn't that way. It was still trying to
hold onto this like they needed it as opposed to
needing reconciliation and unity on the other side. And so
I look at the media and I'm just like, the
media will not be able to help themselves in making
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this ten times worse than it would be otherwise. I
just think if you want to speak on causes, you
have so many other avenues to do it, including the
press conference without even being asked a question. Putting it
on your uniform is just going to upset some people.
If they don't care, then that's fine, but there will
be some backlash to this. And your point about the
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kneeling is the one that bothers me. And that's why
I say you canceled the national anthem in the White
House visits because they force you to do one thing
or the other. And now it's either why didn't you
kneel or why would go to the White House with
that guy in office? Regardless of whether it's Obama or
whether it's Trump, or whether it's gonna be Biden or
whatever it is, it just forces you to take a
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stand when I think a lot of guys just want
to play ball, or at least want to keep that
part of their lives private. I don't think everybody wants
to make this stuff public. Social media makes us think
that everybody's every thought is out there, and that's just
a flat outline. Yeah, I'm I'm with you on where
social media is, but I just I guess I do
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a better job of ignoring you. Like I saw a
lot of people with the bubble Wall and say Hey, look,
I'm glad that that there isn't um, you know, there
wasn't a hate crime. I know there's some people that
still want to hold onto um, you know, to hold
onto that, but I don't, I don't like. I guess
I just ignore it, man, I I don't know. I
don't have a better explanation than that. I don't know
if I just don't follow those people. There's people that
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I've muted, like like their entire name on Twitter, so
I just don't see that what they tweet, even if
if I don't followed, and I just don't see it period,
I don't see it period um. So maybe that's helpful
for me. There's certain people that have definitely done that too,
and I think it's made my timeline better and I
spent a lot of time on social media. But I
guess I just don't let it bother me. Like I
I I feel strongly that I can come up with
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my own thoughts, and so I can come up with
my own thoughts about how the bubble wall situation played out.
I don't need the media member to tell me how
I should feel about it. So I guess it doesn't
I guess, But again, though, like I don't really you know,
I'm not on the side I guess of that my
message is not being heard on social media, so that's
I guess I feel differently than you would about that.
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So maybe I don't have it on, you know, the
animosity towards towards how people report things in general. I
just I guess I just ignore it, man, Like maybe
I'm naive to it. I know, I know about naive.
I mean, it's good, it doesn't like it, that's great.
I just wonder how many people can actually do that,
and so they're not time well, they're not and that
and I don't have a great uh retort for that,
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and they're just not. I mean, I wish I could
tell everyone to pick and choose how that you know,
what they think. But I've just been a free thinker,
Like I can see the way it played out. I
can see the picture of the noose. I can read
about whether or not this was in other stalls in Nascar. Um,
you know, I I and I can figure out how
I think about the situation without having media members push
(37:18):
one way or the other. And there were a lot
of them, and I saw and say, hey, look, I'm
glad there's not a hate crime that you know that
occurred here. Um, but yeah, there definitely is an agenda
with media members. Um. And I just I just try
my best, I guess, to to ignore it because I
spent too much time on social media that if I
were to let it influence my life, my life would
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be miserable. And I so I just try not to
let influence how I feel about situations. Well, there were
more Jeff schwartz Is in the world. I think that
would be a positive, especially on social media. Uh, well,
we'll continue to talk. We'll talk more about the media
and when we come back on the flip side, this
is outkicked the coverage with Clay Traffics. He's at the
(38:08):
old p on Twitter. It's Petros Papadakis from A M
five seven d l A Sports and the Great Petro
Some money show. Petros, how are you, good morning fellows?
How are you? Thanks for having me? Nice to hear
from you. Um. Not appreciating the Taylor Swift thought I
would get a reprieve this week, But that's okay. I
was gonna I was gonna wonder, like I guess I
(38:29):
missed these segments. But when I heard that. I said,
there's probably a point behind that cold Clay that Taylor.
So I mean, just listen to the song, listen to
the verse, listen to the writing. I'm like, it's not
good Clay, and he got all upset and but hurt.
Now I get this. And the thing is is usually
I'm not in that bad of a mood, and then
(38:49):
I hear the song right before the interview and it
kisses me off, and then it's like, oh, Mr Doom
and Gloom. It's like, well, yeah, anyway, so himself from
there to this, do you have positivity surrounding Cam Newton
with the Patriots? Oh? Sure, I mean I we detailed
(39:11):
this on the radio yesterday. And my partner Matt usually
pays much more attention to the NFL than I do
because he's the voice of the Chargers. But it seems
like a really good situation for the Patriots, right. It
seems like a situation was really like a no lose
situation for them because if he hits his incentives, that
that means that he's playing really well for them and
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they did a good job bringing him in and if
he doesn't, they barely have to pay him. And we
said it yesterday. I don't think it would be a
big surprise if he thrived there under Josh McDaniels, who
knows how to grind it out with an offense. I
think that, and I've heard that the Patriots are headed
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in that direction anyway. They didn't like the way they
were physically bullied by the and stand the season, and
then they want to bring that back to people. And
one of the big indictments on Tom Brady and this
is just father time and he never had John Elway's
arm to begin with. I'm not I'm not the radio
host that sits there in Rank's arm talent, by the way,
(40:18):
but but I also played football, So I mean Tom
Brady couldn't throw that big boy out from the opposite
hash anymore. He just couldn't do it. And Cam Newton
can do it. I mean he's not the most accurate
guy consistently, but you know, neither was Brady at this point.
And you know Cam can spin it, especially when the
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threat of him running the ball and being that guy
and the other guys that they have running the rock,
they do a great job with that. So and I
think they've just brought in as right the tight end
from U C. L A. And he's a pretty good
looking player and they're probably gonna play a lot of
really closed down type of football. So I'm okay with that.
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I think it's it's a positive move and if your
cam you have a lot of confidence in yourself and
you're not scared, decide it and set up later thing
in a place that's got a lot of reputation for
developing players well, and even some guys that have come.
I remember Corey Dillon who went to the Patriots and
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had like a second life under Bill Belichick, and that
was decades ago. You know, people, I think of all
the backs they've had between him and now or even
most people. So yeah, I'm good with it, and nothing
it matters if I am or not. But I just
can't wait to see them all dressed up like Samuel
Adams or something and like one of those three point
hats and big fluff, fluffy sleeves, and I just can't
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wait to see the fashion. What Not that he's unlikable,
because I don't necessarily think he is. He's done a
lot of good work in the community, but he is
kind of a front runner. He somebody that definitely goes
doom and gloom when they are going south. He can
be good for you, he can be great for you,
or he can be the opposite. But because he has
so much to prove, and and I wasn't sure he
(42:09):
wanted to play football anymore. I thought he might be
going to Andrew Luck route, because if he was just
so battered and done with rehab. But here he is
fighting back, putting out videos, gets another opportunity. Seems like
he wants to bet on himself right now. To me,
this makes him easier to root for, Like I kind
of want to see him succeed. Does that make sense? Well? Sure,
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I mean we love a comeback story, you know. I
want to see Jamis Winston play well if he gets
an opportunity. We've we've watched these guys compete and go
hard and blood and and sweat and tears and all
that stuff on the biggest stage for a long time.
I mean, we've been aware of Cam Newton's story, at
least those of us in the football world, ever since
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he got in trouble at Florida. And I don't know
if I'm rooting for him or not, but I'm certainly interested.
Number One, I just want to see if his shoes
have tails. I mean, who wears shoes with tails? It's
an unbelievable I mean, just just fashion alone, you know.
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And and there was a time in my life because
of my grandfather, who uh didn't go to college and
and and grew up in liquor stores and was a
tough guy and and ran liquor stores, wore a fedora
and a short sleeve button down and a tie. And uh,
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I used to I used to wear. I inherited his
fedoras when he died, but his head was much smaller
than my, uh, so they looked like little yamakas on me.
But I I like fedoras, and I have a collection,
and I used to wear them all the time in
honor of my grandfather. And then one time Matt and
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I were doing a show. If you guys are familiar
with Los Angeles. We're down at Belmont Shore in Long
Beach at a place called Legends, which is the very
first sports bar in the on the West Coast. And
we're doing a show and a guy walked up and
he had a T shirt on it and it had
a picture of a fedora on it, and it said
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Fiduche just ruined it. I mean, you know, it wasn't
not for me, but Matt saw it, you know, and
now you know, I know what he's thinking if I
ever wear my fedora as Plus, it doesn't really help
to wear a fedora when you're doing radio because it's
(44:37):
kind of hard to get the headset over it. But yeah,
Cam wears hats with a way bigger brim, like a
huge brim to where it would like bump into you
in the if you're in the cornerback room and you're
sitting there trying to go through, uh why stick and
all the different formations are going to run it out
of and you're getting hit in the face with his rim.
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You know, that could be a little weird, especially if
you're a developing player like Jared Stidham or Justin Herbert,
you know, like they were talking about out here with
the Chargers bringing him in. But I'm just being fun.
I think it's going to be. Uh, he's a football player.
He's a really good football player. Uh. I don't know
how beat up he is, and he probably doesn't until
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he gets starts getting hit consistently again. And that's the
how much I mean That's the weird thing that that
you know, Mr Schwartz knows way more than I do,
is if you don't get hit for a year, the
coming back becomes exponentially harder. I mean it is, so
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you can't it's hard to remember why how much it hurts,
you know, that's why it always shot. It shocked me
when Michael Vick came back and played well. Shocked me
just because football is, you know, it's not something you
walk away from and then you know, like being an
accountant and then you know, you dust off the old
green visor, you know, in five years. It's it's just
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not that way. So it'll be interesting to see. But
but I'm certainly intrigued. And the Patriots know what they're
doing and they've been able to absorb a lot of
veterans over the years. If it doesn't work out, like
the SKO thing, you know, they just move on and
then no one really faults him for it is players
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start preparing for the season. The season is going to
start on time, at least for the NFL. I feel
very strongly about that, and they said July it's gonna starting.
You you know, you remember your time preparing for the
collettball seasons to start. You know, they're telling these players, hey,
we're not gonna work out in groups, right right, the
pas telling Tom Brady, let's not work out in groups.
And I'm I'm on the side of the players here,
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um that I think that they need to continue to
work out to prepare for the season. When you see
the p A, you know, very strongly discouraging players to
to to do this. If you were playing right now,
would you still be working out in a group? Well,
I mean if I was doing radio right now, would
I still be going to the studio? And the answer
is yes since March so for me and you know,
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we we've all said this as a qualifier at this point,
which is, you know, everybody's got to do what they're
comfortable doing, and you know, everybody has different circumstances. I
try not to get offended. If I'm walking in a
on a trail where there's twenty yards of space and
somebody who's wearing a mask outdoors like goes up onto
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the embankment, you know, like twenty yards away for me
to let me walk by, I'm like, my god, you know,
but I don't know if that person has somebody in
an iron lung at home or what the hell like
the guy in the Big Lebowski. So I get that
part of it for me as a former football player,
and I never dealt with a p A because I
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was a college football player and people cared even less
how we felt when I was playing. You know, That's
the anything about this to me and really one of
the funnier things about society as a whole. I mean,
no one used to care how we felt. No one,
I mean, we just did what we were told, and
that was part of developing there's a college football player
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and team. But I mean I can see in my
in my adult life the same mentality, which is I
knew when the COVID thing happened that and I'm asthmatic,
you know, I'm not exactly h Mr Health over here.
But like I also knew that I had a job
to do. I had a job to try to entertain
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our listeners and get people through a tough time. That's
our job. That's why we get paid to do radio,
to find the right tone for the moment. And I
didn't want to colour away from it. And if I
was playing football, you know, football players play football. They
work out and they play football. And when you're a
football player, I mean most of them feel like you
can jump over a car anyway. I mean, they're not
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scared of this. And if they get sick, they'll recover
and go back, just like the fire department and all
these places have been doing for months and months and months.
You know, they get a guy that gets sick, he
goes away for a couple of weeks, they bring them back. Now,
I don't know if that's really sound or if it's
good or bad so for society. The thing that's funny
to me is that people are like, well, you know,
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is it's safe to go back and play football. It's like, no, no,
it was never safe to play football. Football is the
least safe thing that anybody can do. And it's not
about a pandemic either. Football is not safe and a
perfect world football wouldn't exist. Do you want to make
people safer, you know, don't worry so much about COVID,
(49:38):
Go ahead and commit commit football to be illegal. Obviously
there are two different things, but it is kind of
funny to me. I don't think football players live a
life of risk, and at least that's how I felt
when I played and I'd be going ahead and getting
ready to play and try to make my living if
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I was a football player. But again, and everybody you
know has their own vibe about this and their own
level of fear. That's justus. I think you and I
are a little bit different when it comes to the music.
We won't go with Taylor Swift. But in the last
like half minute or so, give us, give us some
music recommendation. I know you have a deep catalog, So
what are you listening to right now? Let me just
open up the whole thing. Look at the show playlist
(50:21):
for this week. We got David Bowie doing Lazarus. He
that old song. Oh, a new jazz artist named or
a new jazz artist to me. But a new album
by a guy named Quinn Kirshner Shadows and Light. I
think he does a lot of percussion stuff. Okay, Booju Banton,
do you guys know who he is? Is a really
(50:41):
famous Jamaican artist. He was incarcerated in Florida for about
nine years cocaine traveling trafficking charge. Some say in trappmant
you can read up on it. But he's got a
new album out called Upside Down and Uh. For those
of you that like John Legend, he's on their Stephen
Marley's on there. Uh. The Michelle Obama documentary has got
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a soundtrack by Carmassi Washington, who's a great saxophone player
from Inglewood that people might want to look up. That's awesome.
And then there's a new Jamaican star named Hood celebrity
with two wise what I like. Of course he's got
two wise. It's a girl exactly. I was about to say,
(51:30):
I wondered if that's something to do with chromosomal stuff. There,
you figured it out before I did. Pets, you're the
best man. Thank you, Thank you, guys, appreciate it. At
the OLPI on Twitter. Petro's a true renaissance man. Be
sure to catch live editions about Kick the Coverage with
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(00:22):
Sports Radio. Clay actually is going to take the rest
of the week off unless giant news breaks. Yesterday he
was gonna be off, but he and I ended up
discussing Cam Newton for three hours, and we're gonna talk
a lot of Cam Newton on this show today. I
am Jason Martin. You may know me as a host
of Jason Martin Show on Sunday mornings here on fs
(00:44):
are three to six am Eastern time, if you're up
early or up late. Also the former executive producer of
this fine show. And Jeff Schwartz you may remember him
from well playing in the NFL for much of a
decade and usually he is the guy in the chair
opposite me when we do these shows. Jeff, what's going on? Man?
(01:04):
I'm good. Uh yeah, And I don't know if people
really realized me that I play in the NFL anymore.
I'm just the guy on Twitter who trolls people from
time to time and post football takes and and some
memes and some and some videos in the pool. That's
That's about my my daily routine now. So I was
so glad Jason that we had some sort of football
news the other day felt like a normal day. It
felt like a normal day of just sports, right, I mean,
(01:29):
we had no sports. We only talked about Cam Newton.
This is why I've been happy the NFL has continued
business as usual during the pandemic, because we've had days
where I didn't think about anything but when I normally
was this time of year, which is football. So it
made me feel normal again for a little bit of
time to to talk about Cam Newton. Um Also, at
(01:50):
the same time, the Patriots news drops that they got
some news, and it was completely one thousand percent time
to be that way. Mean, there's no way that Bill
Belichick just decided Sunday night We're gonna sign Cam Newton.
I'm sure that it works for quite a bit of time,
especially with how simple the contract was and uh, it
felt like like we had some some normalcy for a
(02:12):
little bit of time. So I was glad that. I
was glad to see before that the news came out
that there's a some some other freak show flu virus
strain that's coming our way the fall possibly. So uh,
that was that was a good break for a little
bit of time. Yeah, you gotta appreciate the Patriots, like
they Stimy Stone and stimy Seau McVeigh and the super
Bowl and then they found a way to mitigate bad
(02:34):
news by dropping out. By the way, Cam Newton, like,
don't worry over don't worry about this whole one point
one million dollar fine and loss of a draft pick
over here, don't worry about that. We got Cam Newton.
That's what you're gonna want to talk about. And they
they guessed. Right. So you're in Charlotte and you've watched
Cam Newton up close and personal, and you know that
organization fairly well know a lot of people associated with
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that organization. Clay and I yesterday talked a lot about
is how this just feels like a total win on
all sides. Like, look, ultimately, if Cam Newton can't play
Cam Newton can't play, but he seems driven to try
to prove otherwise, which is a positive. And then on
the flip side, if you're the Patriots, this is what
they do. I mean, we could go through a list
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of big name guys that they've brought in just to
see I think that's the best way. We're just gonna see. Like,
you know, they haven't been able to really look at
him up close lately because of the pandemic, and there
were a lot of articles written about how that was
gonna hurt Cam's chances of actually landing a home because
nobody could really get to see him in a way
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that they wanted to see him. But you think about
Ocho Cinco, you think about even Randy Moss, you think
about Antonio Brown, Like they're just gonna give some guys
a shot. In Belichick, if you've looked over the years,
has always had a healthy level of respect and admiration
for what Cam Newton is capable of. Well, Cam Newton
has torn him apart. I mean that's why he feels that.
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And we've seen throughout the years that Belichick has more
respect for players that are able to really get after
him personally because obviously he's he reveres himself as a coach.
And I mean he's always respected Andy Reid, for example,
whose whose teams have played well against they haven't always won,
but offensively, who've scored a lot of points even with
Alex Smith quarterback against the Patriots. I know he respects
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Andy Reid for for those reasons and for Cam Newton.
He has played very well against New England in his time.
He's used his legs to do a lot of that damage.
And you know this, this, this just made a lot
of sense for for many reasons. Um. One is that
and this is something that I think we we don't
discuss enough when it comes to just how we talk
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about quarterback contracts and just contracts in general. And I
use this a lot when discussed Colin Kaperna coming back
to the NFL, because people always talk about, you know,
what contract should he get? It was compared to someone else, right,
just like they're comparing Cam Newton's contract to Chase Daniel,
let's say, or or someone else. Um there's different levels
of contracts, right. So there's there's the Hey, I'm signing
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to just be a backup guy. I'm signing to be
the third string guy. Cam Newton was only signing somewhere
to be a starter. I understand the contract is very
low here and the reason why the Patriots had all
the leverage in the world because guess what, guys, there's
really one spot for came to be the starter right away,
and that's New England. There's no other place in football
right now where Cam would show up and be the
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day was. Guess whatever one, he's the day one starter
in New England. Sorry for people to think otherwise, that's
that's he's I don't if he's healthy, Cam starting and
so and so this was the one place where he
would would to go to start. And he could have
gone to one year deal for seven five million to
be a backup somewhere, but he didn't want that deal.
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Just like other guys might not take a third string
quarterback deal. He wanted to be the starter. Jamis Winston,
for example, knew that he was not going to be
a starter anywhere. No one was gonna pay him to
be a starter, so he took a backup deal team
that rehabilitated Teddy Bridgewater and got him to get you know,
to be paid. So Cam was specifically looking for a
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place to start. And if you look even throughout the
draft process, through free agency, even going back further, there
was only one place, New England. So it made a
ton of sense for Cam to want to do this deal,
and he got it done and now goes to New England.
And I think, I don't know how you feel about this, Jay,
I think he's the day one starter, like from today,
like he's starter. If he if he I mean as
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solids he passes, is physical, and he is his health
is not a concern, then of course he is. I
don't see any other way. And you know, one of
the other sideline things that had been talked about in
several forums since the NFL schedule was released Jeff is
the Patriots still had an inordinate amount of prime time
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games on Thursdays on Sundays. Uh, you know, they were
still going to be featured in all these big windows
Monday night football, and some thought, well, that's gonna be boring.
I I had a storyline there in my head, and
it's just like, well, you just want to see whether
or not in Belichick is that smart that he could
overcome all of this? But how long are you going
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to watch that? Now? Cam Newton makes them must see television.
It makes that division better, It makes the a f
C better, just in terms of interest level here, I'm
not necessarily talking about quality. Now. If he can't get
it done, if he can't stay on the field, all
this becomes moot. But as it stands right now, it
seemed curious to me that they didn't do anything in
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the draft quarterback wise, and they didn't go get one
of the guys, and we had talked about Cam now
I think you and I even talked about Cam Newton
months ago to New England. They just waited and they
waited and they waited. And of course the timing of
the news with the the other deal, with the taping
deal is is interesting. But do you think maybe that
they just sat and waited and let at price go
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down a little bit more as opposed to pulling that
trigger before COVID. If they pulled that trigger, let's say
in February, just as one example where they tried to
make that move in February, right after the Brady information,
they knew Brady wasn't coming back, and they decided to
go do that. I feel like they would have had
to pay more money for Cam Newton than they ended
up having to pay now. And I'm not sure that
they had as a matter of fact, because they were
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pretty tight to the cab. Well, I I'm with you there.
I think they had they had to wait in Plus,
I don't think I know, we want to give Belichick
a lot of credit for this move, but it was
a very obvious move. I don't know how much he
deserves as far as like, hey, this is a genius
pick up by you know, by by Belichick. I don't
think that they targeted Cam Newton in March. I don't
think the targeted Cam Newton, you know, around the draft
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time either. I think they had a plan in the draft.
The plan might have been to draft somebody a certain
slot and he wasn't available, so they just drafted someone else. Um,
and they didn't feel that they need to trade up
to get a quarterback as well, and and um, they
just were looking after the draft and said, hey, well
look who's left Cam Dude. I never bought that Jared
Stidham was the guy. Look at the history of the
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NFL really just right now, the outside of Russell Wilson,
Tom Brady, Dak Prescott, I think Cousins every quarterback, every
franchise quarterback, starting quarterback is a first or really a
mid second round draft I think like car is like
the lowest second round draft pick who's really starting. There.
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There's a couple of guys here and there I might
have missed, but every guy playing is a high level
draft pick that it doesn't mean even win a Super Bowl,
but that is the formula for success in the NFL.
So Jaredson is a fourth round pick, It's probably not
gonna be successful. Like Tom Brady was like, like, you're
not gonna hit lightning the bottle twice with a late
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round draft pick to become your franchise quarterback. And so
I just think Bill Belichick never thought he was gonna
be the guy. Now. He might not have an answer.
He might have not had he you know Cam. Let's
say Cam signed with the Chargers and he's s oll
like he's going to he's gonna ride stand him and
see what happens. But this kind of just fell into place.
So I don't I don't want to. I don't want
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to say Belichick was the genius for this kind of happening,
because I think it just kind of fell into place
after the draft because there's other teams could have signed him.
There wasn't much interest, supposedly, but it makes a ton
of sense. And one thing I want I want to
cover early here and we could talk obviously, I'll show
about this. You know, people will say, well, what version
of camerare they getting? And if you listened to me
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on any platform for a long period of time. I
live in Charlotte, I played with CAM for a year.
I was on radio here for a little bit of time.
I'm now sitting in my office in Charlotte. UM, I've
watched all Cam. I played with CAM, I know players
who play with Cam. I've always been a little bit
harsher on him as a player, not as a person.
I think he's done great in the community, has been
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I have no problem with who he is as a
person um, but as a as a passer, I've always
been a little more critical with him because I think
accuracy is supremely imported in the NFL. We've seen that
just be able to complete passes a high percentage and
just be accurate, you know, you run a more efficient
offense that way. And Caim for a long part of
his career wasn't even the seasons MVP or which he
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totally deserved. He was great. He only completed passes. That's
not a lot. That's about where he is, Jeff, I mean,
that's about where he is year after year. I looked
at one stat and I mentioned this to Clay yesterday. Uh,
if you look at the last couple of years and
you really want to focus on eighteen and not nineteen
obviously because he didn't play very much at nineteen, he
seems to throw a pretty high percentage of what an
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advanced analytics person would deem bad throws. That's the way
it was actually contextualized was as he had thrown like
three seventy passes over the past two seasons, and sixty
two of those passes were deemed bad throws. Uh. Yeah,
there's a little bit of context. I think it involved
in in this discussion. So the first half of twenty
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team he was healthy, right he was. There were six
and two the Panthers were and then went to Detroit
Detroit Pittsburgh on that Thursday night game and he got
his shoulder injured by by when Watt hit it. Up
until that point, he completed sixty of his passes. It
was the best he's done in his career. Was the
first time in his career, by the way, he was
in what I would consider a pro style passing offense.
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North Turner was the offensive coordinator long time, obviously o
C for years and years. He was the o C
of the Cowboys and the nineties back in the day,
was good head coach um and he was a different player.
He was a pocket passer who got the ball out
on time to the target, accurate passes um and you know,
he obviously sprinckled in some of his of his running ability,
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and then he got hurt and he wasn't very good
that So that first half of teen, Cam Newton, that's
what I think we'll get in Carolina. I mean, not
in Carolina, in New England. If we get that in
New England, that's gonna lead them to the an f
C East. Like that's good enough in my opinion. So
the back half of eighteen, yeah, he was hurt, didn't
play very well. That's fair to criticize him there. But
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in the first half of eighteen he did a really
good job. I've got the status. Yeah, yeah, you're right,
he was. They were six and two, eight games in
in the NFC South, he was tenth and passer rating
at one point eight. He was twelve and QBR at
sixty three point one. His completion percentage was sixty seven
point three. And then came the fifty two to twenty
one game in Week ten with the Steelers, and then
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you realize, Okay, the shoulder is no good. Here's the
way Bill Barnwell wrote about what you just said. It's
important to make this distinction, meaning between the first and
the second half at that point in time, because if
you weren't paying attention to the Panthers last summer and
into the preseason, you might have missed an important piece
of information. By all accounts, Newton healed from that shoulder injury.
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One report from camp lauded the return of his deep ball,
which had gone missing as a result of the shoulder
injury the prior year. He looked to be back on
schedule to return to the Panthers primary quarterback, and while
I'm sure there would have been some growing pains, there
was no suggestion that he was still being bothered by
his shoulder when the next injury struck. And that, of
course is your list, Frank, and that just that's when
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I started seeing a Cam Newton that just didn't look
like he wanted to be there anymore, Like he looked
like Andrew Luck looked. The day that Andrew Luck walked
off the field for the final time in the preseason. Well,
and I and I am with Cam on that feeling.
I mean like that that to rehab all the time.
I mean I did that for for three years, two
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years basically this okay to my big toe. And I
broke my leg twice within three or sixty four days.
Like I I rehabbed for two straight years every day
when I was playing or not, offseason, season whatever. Rehab
is grinding, dude, And it's mentally exhausting because you often
don't see strides for weeks at a time. And my
dad right now at hip surgery and he got his
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hip replace and he he commented, like two weeks, agoes, man,
this we have stuff. It's something, yeah, Dad, it is yes,
he said, I know how you feel. I know, thank you.
Like it's mentally and that's why Andrew Luck retired. It
wasn't like he didn't love the game anymore. He was
tired of making sure his body felt good. And I
did worry that Cam was gonna retire because he kind
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of just had enough of the rehab stuff. And so yeah, yes,
he was miserable and I and I empathize with Cam
for being miserable having to deal with all these injuries.
But he seems rejuvenated. Now go to me knowing that
playing well for one year, and this is why I
think it's gonna work. Jason. The number one reason why
is Cam and Belichick both have a mutual reason to
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make this work. Cam was to revive his career. And
we've seen what reviving your career can do in New England.
Whether it's obviously well, Jimmy didn't revive his square, but
he was drafted there, got signed by the trading Niners,
signed because Matt Castle throughout revis Randy Moss. You've seen
what what reviving your career looks like in New England.
If he can do that for one season, he will
get paid million dollars next season by somebody, might be
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the Patriots. And Belichick wants to give an f you
to Tom Brady and everyone else that he can win
without Tom Brady. So for one year's not a five years,
it's a one year deal. They both have a desired
outcome that leads to winning, and that's why I think
it's gonna work. Yeah, you know, you talk about the
concept of mutually assured destruction, this is kind of the
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opposite of It's like both of them have every reason
in the world to go balls out and make this
thing happen, like to just go for it and go
for broken. And yes, Belichick's ego is absolutely part of this.
We'll continue down the Cam. This this Cam warmhole, which
is it's fun to be able to talk about a
sporting thing, and we will get to the NBA stuff
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a little bit later on, but we still got plenty
more to talk about with Cam, including the weapons he's
got around him and how similar that is to the
situation he often had in Carolina. If you have thoughts
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I'm sure you saw that. Chris Paul and I think
it's Chris Paul is the one that did the interview
with Mark Spears on Sunday Morning. Saturday night. It kind
of hit I think in the midst of my show,
um the Jason Mark Shaw what you can hear on
many of these same Fox Sports radio affiliates across the
country about the uniforms and how they can put they
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can take their name off the back and put social
justice slogans or charitable causes or things like this. And
the first thing I thought was, it's kind of like
the NFL cleats when they are able to do that
for like a game or two or whatever, if they
want to do causes or charities or things like that.
But I wanna do the same thing basically I did
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on the show Sunday, and I actually got pretty decent
pushback from the guys out in l A who just
disagreed with me on this, which made me happy, just
because I wanted to hear a different perspective on this.
But my initial take on this is it's a horrible idea,
it's a horrible decision. But I need to back up
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because I think Laura Ingram's wrong, which she says shut
up and dribble. I think that's dehumanizing to some degree
because I recognize the value of human life, and I
recognize that Lebron James, or Anthony Davis or Dirk Nvitski
or anybody else that's ever played in sport, in any sport,
has value far beyond what they do on a basketball floor,
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on a football field, on the ice, wherever it is.
I recognize that you have value, that you have amazing
talents and abilities that we get to see, but that
you also care about other things. And you live in
a country where I will stand arm in arm with
you even if I disagree with you, to champion your
ability to say something that I don't agree with. I
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love the fact that we well we should, at least increasingly.
I worry about it. But we live in a country
where that's okay. But if you put if you take
your name off and you put Trayvon Martin, or you
put to Mirror Rice, or if you put George Floyd
or Brianna Taylor or any of these names that have
been discussed on here, or if you put Black Lives Matter,
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or if you put all of that kind of thing
on there, you are more than the entertainment you provide
as a human being, But during the time in which
you are actually on the floor, is it not fair
of me just to say, I really do just want
you to entertain me. Then it's the same thing as yes,
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I know Scarlett Johansson is more than Black Widow, but
when I go pay to see Black Widow, I just
want to see her as black Widow. I don't need
to hear about her causes and things like that. And
I know she has a platform because she has me
in a theater and she can do you that. But
it's about the time and the place. And Chris Paul
said in the interview Jeff that you know after in
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press conferences after the games, he's hoping and the the
players that agree with this are hoping that this is
gonna encourage more questions in press conferences. Last I checked,
if they want to say something, they can say something.
Then I thought about this and I said, well, what's
gonna be acceptable and what's not? Because here comes the
first degree of pushback. Let's say I want to put
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hashtag MAGA on the back of my jersey. Let's say
I want to put hashtag in the lockdowns on the
back of my jersey. Should they be back in effect.
Or let's say I believe in equal justice. Let's say
I really champion social justice, and my champion of true
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social justice and reconciliation and revival is Christ. And so
I want to put Hebrews twelve three on the back
of my jersey. How is that going to be received? Well,
there's there's a lot of there's a lot of things
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to get to here, and a lot of a lot
of great points you made. Of course, you made a
movie reference that I just completely um, followed by I
know Scott Johnson is but black widow no idea. Um. Look,
you bring up a lot of extreme points. One is
it Obviously, I think we both believe in the free
speech right, like like, go ahead and do it, um
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if NBA allows it. The one thing that's interesting about
this is the argument that I always make about the
NFL kneeling. As I say, during the actual course of
the game, there are no politics involved. Now you might
disagree with that because of of you know the the
Rooney rule and you know their coaches on the filming.
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There's ways to to to to say there's politics involved
in the actual gameplay, but there really isn't. Right Like
when we walk the game from the kickoff to the
final play, there's not politics involved. We watch an NBA
contest from the tip off un till the end of
the game, there's not politics involved. When we watch baseball
the first pitch to the last pitch, there's not politics involved.
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Right now. Again, you can find nit picks here and
there when they are involved, but most often they're not.
And that's always been my argument about why you can
still watch the NFL if you don't agree with the dealing,
right because just just don't watch the nealing or just
don't really, it doesn't affect the actual game you're watching,
right it's beforehand, and yeah it's a talking point, you
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might not like it, but the actual gameplay there's nothing
involved with politics. But now at the NBA, they are
they are including that during the during the game. And
I do think while I'm pretty much indifferent to this stuff,
like I I really I'm gonna watch it and July thirty,
I don't care what Lebron has in the back of
his jersey, like it never I'm just indifferent to this.
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If if players want to use their platform, go ahead,
if they don't go ahead, it does not bother me.
It's never changed the way I felt about a player
or or or the game, but I will. I can
see how this will turn people off because they do
come to the actual contest to just watch sports and
not have you know, the political stances actually happened during
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the actual game. And to your point about what if
they put a slogan on there that that's not as
agreeable to social media, the backlash that happens there, so
you really can't have it. But I agree there will
be backlash if someone puts MAGA on the back of
their jersey or put something else on there. I'm not
sure to be backlash to too religious to religious boy boy,
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I do. I'm not saying that it's going to come
from the same the same point. Look, Jeff, I know
we come from different perspectives to some degree, um, but
I think this is a place to have honest discussions.
This is a place to have authentic discussions. And there
is a narrative right now, There is an agenda right now.
There is some insidious stuff going on below, like the
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biggest The biggest thing right now is there a certain
things that you can't criticize despite the fact that they
are obvious and true and One of the things that
we have seen increasingly is that we live in a
post Christian culture. We don't live in a culture where
it is okay to be an open Christian. It is
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something that can can tar and feather you in many
ways because of social media. Now, you and I actually
were talking during the break uh minutes ago about how
social media ruins your life, like it makes it worse.
It doesn't technically ruin it, but it makes it worse.
And I said, I hadn't been on Twitter until this
morning for a month, and I was just living my
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life and I was trying to see how much I missed.
And I actually went on you know what, I misrepresented
that I was on Saturday night for just a little bit.
My ego got the better of me, and I wanted
to see what mentions I had gotten over the last month.
And then I went through the timeline for about forty
five seconds, and I was like, get me the hell
out of here now, Like what am I doing? This
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is gonna send me back off for a month. But
I know this week with us doing this show, I
do want to be able to interact with people. So
during the time that that we're actually on I'm gonna
be on social media, but we have come to a
place where and then the secondary story about this is
the NBA is gonna paint Black Lives Matter on all
of the courts in Orlando. And I'm gonna say something
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that you're not supposed to say because it goes against
the narrative, it goes against the agenda. And there are
overlords here who decide what social justice looks like and
what isn't that And when you think about black lives matter,
it's real simple. I believe black lives matter, because we
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all do. I mean, I don't know anybody that doesn't.
I have no idea where that comes from. But this
is how it works. You come up with a slogan
that's a simple sentence. That is easy too. I mean,
you can't say anything other than well, yeah, of course
black lives matter. I believe black lives matter in every
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possible way. But I sure as hell don't believe in
black lives matter. And that's the problem is it's not
just a statement. It's far more than that. It's a movement,
and we don't have to get into the minutia of that.
You can go to their website and find out all
you want to about that, but there is a lot
going on here. John Moran has had to apologize because
he said he wanted to put f above twelve for
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his jersey, and that basically means twelve twelve being a
slur for cops. I've been wondering that, Like I've seen that. Remember,
Adam twelve was was an old was an old comedy
cops show back in like the fifties police show. I
think it's I don't know if it's a fifties or
sixties before my time. I remember you used to pop
up on Nick at night, and so I'm assuming that
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that's where it comes from. But twelve is a derogatory
term for police, and he's apologized for that and said, hey,
there's a good, good police out there and all this
kind of stuff. I just think you are. Here's the
other thing, and this goes to my point about white
house visits and the national Anthem, which I think both
should be canceled because it forces you to take a
stand even if you don't want to. And my example
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is always the same. I know how my dad votes,
and I know how my mom votes. I've known it
basically my whole life. I know they often disagree politically.
They've been married forever and love each other, and I
hope that my marriage goes as well as their's does.
But they keep that private. It's not something that they
They don't introduce themselves the way you do on social media.
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Now when you go and you look at somebody's bio
and in that slow deal right there, you see exactly
where they vote because they want you to know. I'm
not gonna walk up to you, Jeff at Radio Row
and say, hey, I'm Jason Martin, conservative, Christian, libertarian, like
I'm not. That's not My identity is rooted in something
a lot bigger than where it is that that I'm
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going to vote in November or anywhere else. But that's
kind of I think where we have gotten to here.
And if I am just a player that wants to
wear my jersey the normal way, okay, I saw Chris
Paul said that's gonna be okay, But don't you think
it's gonna become a roll call of who does and
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who doesn't, and those who don't are gonna be questioned
about that by a media that I think is complicit
in wanting these messages to be there so that they
can make them a story when all we want. We
talked in the first hour about Cam Newton and how
excited we were to be able to talk about sports
and how football is saying full steam ahead, and we're
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excited about all this kind of stuff. Why can't the
NBA do the same thing. It's not like Lebron James,
Anthony Davis or anybody else doesn't have eight trillion different
platforms in which they can say whatever they want to say.
They can lead marches, they can lead protests, they can
spend money, they can start foundations, they can speak in
press conferences, they can speak on social media, they can
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do anything. They can do endorsement deals with charities or
whatever in the world. But for that two and a
half here it is. It's the same thing as this.
I believe black lives matter. I don't believe in black
lives matter, because there's a difference between those two things.
I don't believe shut up in dribble, but I do
believe that while you're playing the sport. I just want
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to be able to watch the dribble because that's what
I paid the sea is to be entertained. Ultimately, we
want to escape into sports, and the NBA is not
gonna let us do that. It's gonna be on the
floor in front of us, it's gonna be on everybody's
jerseys with all these different causes, but it's gonna only
be select causes. And I think the unintended consequences of
forcing people to make this decision and other players that
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don't want to do this maybe feeling almost forced to
do it. There was another part where Chris Paul said, Hey,
if you don't know which causes to support them, will
will lead you in the direction of some we believe
would be good. What are we doing here? What is
the necessity of doing this on your uniform and opening
up I think cans of worms that flat out do
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not need to be opened up. Well, many things to
touch on here, Um, I do think that, And this
is I can really despect to the NFL. But I've
discussed this not with you, but in general, UM is
that when it comes to kneeling right, we're gonna see
a lot of players kneel I think in a week one.
I don't think it's gonna go past a lot past
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week one, but I think people are going to judge
the players that don't kneel now, right, like like why
you're not kneeling? Why don't you Like for me, for example,
when I was playing, there's probably no chance that would
have kneeled. And that does not mean I don't support
my teammates and their cause, I very much do. But
then like that wasn't really I wasn't I was out there,
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like like I would not have been comfortable to answer
the questions that were brought to me. Now you have
to actually have to be comfortable answering the questions brought
to you on the other side possibly now as well,
But like that wasn't like I wasn't able to do that.
In my CRITI probably got I got to the Giants,
so I felt more comfortable in the role I had
on the team. Maybe I would have done it then,
but I probably would not have kneeled, And I don't think.
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I think a lot of players like feel the same
way as me. It's not that we don't support our
teammates and and we don't listen to them and whatnot.
But now guys that don't kneel are gonna be asked
why aren't you ceiling? And I think for the n
B a and I'm curiously how many players do this? Um,
you know, why don't you have something in the back
of your jersey? So as far as the black lives
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matter on the court? Um, I I think and maybe
I'm unique in this that I can kind of mentally
like detach myself from social media saying like, hey, this
platform is not real life. I use it for work,
I use it as a joke. I do follow for news, um,
you know. But but like generally speaking, I kind of
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just know what it is, um, And I'm able to
detach personally, I think from politics and sports. Now I
think I can watch the NBA and see names in
the back of the jersey and see black lives matter
in the court and just detach my brain from like
I'm just watching the game. It's on the court, like whatever,
it doesn't bother me, to the fact that I just
I'll be able to watch it. Find Do you not
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think you'll be able to detach from the political message
just to watch the games? Like will it bother you?
Or do it bother you that that the other side
is not getting the same respect if they put that
on their jersey? Is that like does that bother you more?
Or just the fact that's kind of on the court
while you're watching the game. The on the court thing.
If they want to put that message there, it's gonna
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upset some people. It's not gonna upset some people. I
have a visceral reaction to that particular statement because I'm
anti Marxist, and I'll just leave it right there. But
when you get past all of that, and you're right, yes,
you can separate the two sort of, except people are
donating money based on a sentence, not realizing where that
money is actually going and what it's actually funding. When
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you put stuff on the back of your jersey, I
honestly don't care which side. It is just a time
and a place situation, and that ain't the time and
that ain't the place. Can you separate it and watch basketball? Yeah,
I'm not gonna boycott the n b A. I'm gonna
watch it because I love hoops. But at the same time,
if ESPN or anybody else starts talking about these various
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things instead of the game, that's gonna get frustrating. And
I think, regardless of us coming from a different place
on this, Jeff, you have to agree because we have
talked about off air, just in text change and things
like that. How it does seem like and we'll get
into this when we come back out of the break,
that there are people rooting for sports not to be
played and that's preposterous, but there is a media that
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is rooting for things to happen instead of celebrating them.
I went off on the Bonus edition about kick to coverage,
and I think I might have even said it on
Friday as well about the bubble Wallace situation, because as
soon as I found out that wasn't what it was
purported to be at first, I said, that's awesome. Can
we celebrate that It turns out this country is not
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quite as broken as some thought, Like that should be
a great thing, that should be a positive thing. But
the reaction wasn't that way. It was still trying to
hold onto this like they needed it as opposed to
needing reconciliation and unity on the other side. And so
I look at the media and I'm just like, the
media will not be able to help themselves in making
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this ten times worse than it would be otherwise. I
just think if you want to speak on causes, you
have so many other avenues to do it, including the
press conference without even being asked a question. Putting it
on your uniform is just going to upset some people.
If they don't care, then that's fine, but there will
be some backlash to this. And your point about the
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kneeling is the one that bothers me. And that's why
I say you canceled the national anthem in the White
House visits because they force you to do one thing
or the other. And now it's either why didn't you
kneel or why would go to the White House with
that guy in office? Regardless of whether it's Obama or
whether it's Trump, or whether it's gonna be Biden or
whatever it is, it just forces you to take a
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stand when I think a lot of guys just want
to play ball, or at least want to keep that
part of their lives private. I don't think everybody wants
to make this stuff public. Social media makes us think
that everybody's every thought is out there, and that's just
a flat outline. Yeah, I'm I'm with you on where
social media is, but I just I guess I do
(35:31):
a better job of ignoring you. Like I saw a
lot of people with the bubble Wall and say Hey, look,
I'm glad that that there isn't um, you know, there
wasn't a hate crime. I know there's some people that
still want to hold onto um, you know, to hold
onto that, but I don't, I don't like. I guess
I just ignore it, man, I I don't know. I
don't have a better explanation than that. I don't know
if I just don't follow those people. There's people that
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I've muted, like like their entire name on Twitter, so
I just don't see that what they tweet, even if
if I don't followed, and I just don't see it period,
I don't see it period um. So maybe that's helpful
for me. There's certain people that have definitely done that too,
and I think it's made my timeline better and I
spent a lot of time on social media. But I
guess I just don't let it bother me. Like I
I I feel strongly that I can come up with
(36:12):
my own thoughts, and so I can come up with
my own thoughts about how the bubble wall situation played out.
I don't need the media member to tell me how
I should feel about it. So I guess it doesn't
I guess, But again, though, like I don't really you know,
I'm not on the side I guess of that my
message is not being heard on social media, so that's
I guess I feel differently than you would about that.
(36:34):
So maybe I don't have it on, you know, the
animosity towards towards how people report things in general. I
just I guess I just ignore it, man, Like maybe
I'm naive to it. I know, I know about naive.
I mean, it's good, it doesn't like it, that's great.
I just wonder how many people can actually do that,
and so they're not time well, they're not and that
and I don't have a great uh retort for that,
(36:57):
and they're just not. I mean, I wish I could
tell everyone to pick and choose how that you know,
what they think. But I've just been a free thinker,
Like I can see the way it played out. I
can see the picture of the noose. I can read
about whether or not this was in other stalls in Nascar. Um,
you know, I I and I can figure out how
I think about the situation without having media members push
(37:18):
one way or the other. And there were a lot
of them, and I saw and say, hey, look, I'm
glad there's not a hate crime that you know that
occurred here. Um, but yeah, there definitely is an agenda
with media members. Um. And I just I just try
my best, I guess, to to ignore it because I
spent too much time on social media that if I
were to let it influence my life, my life would
(37:38):
be miserable. And I so I just try not to
let influence how I feel about situations. Well, there were
more Jeff schwartz Is in the world. I think that
would be a positive, especially on social media. Uh, well,
we'll continue to talk. We'll talk more about the media
and when we come back on the flip side, this
is outkicked the coverage with Clay Traffics. He's at the
(38:08):
old p on Twitter. It's Petros Papadakis from A M
five seven d l A Sports and the Great Petro
Some money show. Petros, how are you, good morning fellows?
How are you? Thanks for having me? Nice to hear
from you. Um. Not appreciating the Taylor Swift thought I
would get a reprieve this week, But that's okay. I
was gonna I was gonna wonder, like I guess I
(38:29):
missed these segments. But when I heard that. I said,
there's probably a point behind that cold Clay that Taylor.
So I mean, just listen to the song, listen to
the verse, listen to the writing. I'm like, it's not
good Clay, and he got all upset and but hurt.
Now I get this. And the thing is is usually
I'm not in that bad of a mood, and then
(38:49):
I hear the song right before the interview and it
kisses me off, and then it's like, oh, Mr Doom
and Gloom. It's like, well, yeah, anyway, so himself from
there to this, do you have positivity surrounding Cam Newton
with the Patriots? Oh? Sure, I mean I we detailed
(39:11):
this on the radio yesterday. And my partner Matt usually
pays much more attention to the NFL than I do
because he's the voice of the Chargers. But it seems
like a really good situation for the Patriots, right. It
seems like a situation was really like a no lose
situation for them because if he hits his incentives, that
that means that he's playing really well for them and
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they did a good job bringing him in and if
he doesn't, they barely have to pay him. And we
said it yesterday. I don't think it would be a
big surprise if he thrived there under Josh McDaniels, who
knows how to grind it out with an offense. I
think that, and I've heard that the Patriots are headed
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in that direction anyway. They didn't like the way they
were physically bullied by the and stand the season, and
then they want to bring that back to people. And
one of the big indictments on Tom Brady and this
is just father time and he never had John Elway's
arm to begin with. I'm not I'm not the radio
host that sits there in Rank's arm talent, by the way,
(40:18):
but but I also played football, So I mean Tom
Brady couldn't throw that big boy out from the opposite
hash anymore. He just couldn't do it. And Cam Newton
can do it. I mean he's not the most accurate
guy consistently, but you know, neither was Brady at this point.
And you know Cam can spin it, especially when the
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threat of him running the ball and being that guy
and the other guys that they have running the rock,
they do a great job with that. So and I
think they've just brought in as right the tight end
from U C. L A. And he's a pretty good
looking player and they're probably gonna play a lot of
really closed down type of football. So I'm okay with that.
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I think it's it's a positive move and if your
cam you have a lot of confidence in yourself and
you're not scared, decide it and set up later thing
in a place that's got a lot of reputation for
developing players well, and even some guys that have come.
I remember Corey Dillon who went to the Patriots and
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had like a second life under Bill Belichick, and that
was decades ago. You know, people, I think of all
the backs they've had between him and now or even
most people. So yeah, I'm good with it, and nothing
it matters if I am or not. But I just
can't wait to see them all dressed up like Samuel
Adams or something and like one of those three point
hats and big fluff, fluffy sleeves, and I just can't
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wait to see the fashion. What Not that he's unlikable,
because I don't necessarily think he is. He's done a
lot of good work in the community, but he is
kind of a front runner. He somebody that definitely goes
doom and gloom when they are going south. He can
be good for you, he can be great for you,
or he can be the opposite. But because he has
so much to prove, and and I wasn't sure he
(42:09):
wanted to play football anymore. I thought he might be
going to Andrew Luck route, because if he was just
so battered and done with rehab. But here he is
fighting back, putting out videos, gets another opportunity. Seems like
he wants to bet on himself right now. To me,
this makes him easier to root for, Like I kind
of want to see him succeed. Does that make sense? Well? Sure,
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I mean we love a comeback story, you know. I
want to see Jamis Winston play well if he gets
an opportunity. We've we've watched these guys compete and go
hard and blood and and sweat and tears and all
that stuff on the biggest stage for a long time.
I mean, we've been aware of Cam Newton's story, at
least those of us in the football world, ever since
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he got in trouble at Florida. And I don't know
if I'm rooting for him or not, but I'm certainly interested.
Number One, I just want to see if his shoes
have tails. I mean, who wears shoes with tails? It's
an unbelievable I mean, just just fashion alone, you know.
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And and there was a time in my life because
of my grandfather, who uh didn't go to college and
and and grew up in liquor stores and was a
tough guy and and ran liquor stores, wore a fedora
and a short sleeve button down and a tie. And uh,
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I used to I used to wear. I inherited his
fedoras when he died, but his head was much smaller
than my, uh, so they looked like little yamakas on me.
But I I like fedoras, and I have a collection,
and I used to wear them all the time in
honor of my grandfather. And then one time Matt and
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I were doing a show. If you guys are familiar
with Los Angeles. We're down at Belmont Shore in Long
Beach at a place called Legends, which is the very
first sports bar in the on the West Coast. And
we're doing a show and a guy walked up and
he had a T shirt on it and it had
a picture of a fedora on it, and it said
(44:17):
Fiduche just ruined it. I mean, you know, it wasn't
not for me, but Matt saw it, you know, and
now you know, I know what he's thinking if I
ever wear my fedora as Plus, it doesn't really help
to wear a fedora when you're doing radio because it's
(44:37):
kind of hard to get the headset over it. But yeah,
Cam wears hats with a way bigger brim, like a
huge brim to where it would like bump into you
in the if you're in the cornerback room and you're
sitting there trying to go through, uh why stick and
all the different formations are going to run it out
of and you're getting hit in the face with his rim.
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You know, that could be a little weird, especially if
you're a developing player like Jared Stidham or Justin Herbert,
you know, like they were talking about out here with
the Chargers bringing him in. But I'm just being fun.
I think it's going to be. Uh, he's a football player.
He's a really good football player. Uh. I don't know
how beat up he is, and he probably doesn't until
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he gets starts getting hit consistently again. And that's the
how much I mean That's the weird thing that that
you know, Mr Schwartz knows way more than I do,
is if you don't get hit for a year, the
coming back becomes exponentially harder. I mean it is, so
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you can't it's hard to remember why how much it hurts,
you know, that's why it always shot. It shocked me
when Michael Vick came back and played well. Shocked me
just because football is, you know, it's not something you
walk away from and then you know, like being an
accountant and then you know, you dust off the old
green visor, you know, in five years. It's it's just
(46:06):
not that way. So it'll be interesting to see. But
but I'm certainly intrigued. And the Patriots know what they're
doing and they've been able to absorb a lot of
veterans over the years. If it doesn't work out, like
the SKO thing, you know, they just move on and
then no one really faults him for it is players
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start preparing for the season. The season is going to
start on time, at least for the NFL. I feel
very strongly about that, and they said July it's gonna starting.
You you know, you remember your time preparing for the
collettball seasons to start. You know, they're telling these players, hey,
we're not gonna work out in groups, right right, the
pas telling Tom Brady, let's not work out in groups.
And I'm I'm on the side of the players here,
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um that I think that they need to continue to
work out to prepare for the season. When you see
the p A, you know, very strongly discouraging players to
to to do this. If you were playing right now,
would you still be working out in a group? Well,
I mean if I was doing radio right now, would
I still be going to the studio? And the answer
is yes since March so for me and you know,
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we we've all said this as a qualifier at this point,
which is, you know, everybody's got to do what they're
comfortable doing, and you know, everybody has different circumstances. I
try not to get offended. If I'm walking in a
on a trail where there's twenty yards of space and
somebody who's wearing a mask outdoors like goes up onto
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the embankment, you know, like twenty yards away for me
to let me walk by, I'm like, my god, you know,
but I don't know if that person has somebody in
an iron lung at home or what the hell like
the guy in the Big Lebowski. So I get that
part of it for me as a former football player,
and I never dealt with a p A because I
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was a college football player and people cared even less
how we felt when I was playing. You know, That's
the anything about this to me and really one of
the funnier things about society as a whole. I mean,
no one used to care how we felt. No one,
I mean, we just did what we were told, and
that was part of developing there's a college football player
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and team. But I mean I can see in my
in my adult life the same mentality, which is I
knew when the COVID thing happened that and I'm asthmatic,
you know, I'm not exactly h Mr Health over here.
But like I also knew that I had a job
to do. I had a job to try to entertain
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our listeners and get people through a tough time. That's
our job. That's why we get paid to do radio,
to find the right tone for the moment. And I
didn't want to colour away from it. And if I
was playing football, you know, football players play football. They
work out and they play football. And when you're a
football player, I mean most of them feel like you
can jump over a car anyway. I mean, they're not
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scared of this. And if they get sick, they'll recover
and go back, just like the fire department and all
these places have been doing for months and months and months.
You know, they get a guy that gets sick, he
goes away for a couple of weeks, they bring them back. Now,
I don't know if that's really sound or if it's
good or bad so for society. The thing that's funny
to me is that people are like, well, you know,
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is it's safe to go back and play football. It's like, no, no,
it was never safe to play football. Football is the
least safe thing that anybody can do. And it's not
about a pandemic either. Football is not safe and a
perfect world football wouldn't exist. Do you want to make
people safer, you know, don't worry so much about COVID,
(49:38):
Go ahead and commit commit football to be illegal. Obviously
there are two different things, but it is kind of
funny to me. I don't think football players live a
life of risk, and at least that's how I felt
when I played and I'd be going ahead and getting
ready to play and try to make my living if
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I was a football player. But again, and everybody you
know has their own vibe about this and their own
level of fear. That's justus. I think you and I
are a little bit different when it comes to the music.
We won't go with Taylor Swift. But in the last
like half minute or so, give us, give us some
music recommendation. I know you have a deep catalog, So
what are you listening to right now? Let me just
open up the whole thing. Look at the show playlist
(50:21):
for this week. We got David Bowie doing Lazarus. He
that old song. Oh, a new jazz artist named or
a new jazz artist to me. But a new album
by a guy named Quinn Kirshner Shadows and Light. I
think he does a lot of percussion stuff. Okay, Booju Banton,
do you guys know who he is? Is a really
(50:41):
famous Jamaican artist. He was incarcerated in Florida for about
nine years cocaine traveling trafficking charge. Some say in trappmant
you can read up on it. But he's got a
new album out called Upside Down and Uh. For those
of you that like John Legend, he's on their Stephen
Marley's on there. Uh. The Michelle Obama documentary has got
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a soundtrack by Carmassi Washington, who's a great saxophone player
from Inglewood that people might want to look up. That's awesome.
And then there's a new Jamaican star named Hood celebrity
with two wise what I like. Of course he's got
two wise. It's a girl exactly. I was about to say,
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I wondered if that's something to do with chromosomal stuff. There,
you figured it out before I did. Pets, you're the
best man. Thank you, Thank you, guys, appreciate it. At
the OLPI on Twitter. Petro's a true renaissance man. Be
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