Best of Outkick the Coverage: Jun 23, 2020

Clay Travis dives into the Bubba Wallace incident, praises how NASCAR handled it yesterday, yet has a lot of questions about the investigation. Clay comes up with what he says may be the best Twitter poll of the decade, dealing with Brett Favre’s Kap comments and a Deadspin Masters article. Shannon Spake joins the show with some excellent insight into the Bubba Wallace story, and weighs-in on the poll. Plus, Petros is in the house for his usual Tuesday Shenanigans.

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Sports Radio. Major League Baseball news for those of you
waking up right now, uh, spring training will start July one,
with the sixty game regular season starting the weekend of
July through the twenty six That is the expectation here.
After talking about Major League Baseball, it feels like every

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day for months, not actual baseball, but whether there was
going to be baseball, it feels like finally we are there,
all right. So a couple of things here. First of all,
Shanon Spake was fantastic. She's always good. But I had
to put on my lawyer hat there and ask a
bunch of questions cause, frankly, I don't know very much

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you want to know questions about, you know, football stadiums
or baseball stage. I've spent a lot of time there.
I had no idea how big the enfield was at NASCAR.
What I have just uh? I So I think we
learned a lot from her, and that was a fantastic
guest spot she just did. I'm gonna open up phone
lines and allow you guys to ask questions based on

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what she just said eight seven seven nine six three
six nine, obviously surrounding the Bubba WALLACENUS incident. Now, have
you guys seen my Twitter feed? This has been ricocheting
around Twitter a lot, and Shannon spoke to it directly.
There is a pull rope on the garages at Talladega

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which would allow you to pull down the garage door.
Right if you look, and I just tweeted it out,
if you look at the Bubba Wallace rope in his garage,
it is noticeably shorter and without the loop in the
same way as the garage that is next to him.

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Is it possible that the rope broke on his garage
and that was the noose? All right? I want everybody
to look at that picture. Now, let's all play where's waldo? Uh?
Look at that picture that I just tweeted out in
the crew NASCAR needs I believe to get out in
front of this story today, they need to have an

(02:34):
investigator answer every question. They need to have either somebody
arrested and if somebody committed a hate crime and they
figured out who it is, that person should be banned
for life from the sport and also face criminal charges.
But also they need to be able to answer questions
for everybody out there who's asking, Okay, what is the

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story here, what is going on? And also they need
to understand that this is the way people respond to
stories like these, because there have been stories like these
that have not proven to be true. Jesse Smollett, Michael Bennett,

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even though most people stopped paying attention to it, the
Lebron racial slur on the on the gate that the
l a p D decided not to press charges on
that immediately got painted over that there was no evidence of.
And if there's not gonna be cameras, which is that's
incredibly frustrating, right. The entire purpose of having a camera

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is to ensure that there's no divergence of stories, that
everybody is able to know exactly what happened. So if
there's no camera that shows this garage, I don't know
how you're going to quote unquote catch anybody in the

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act because you can't see what the intent of this
might have been. All right, So let me bring in
the crew, Danny G. Did you see Have you had
an opportunity to look at the picture that's tweeted out
that is going and circling around the Twitter sphere now
from people who cover racing, The Bubba Wallace garage rope

(04:27):
is shorter than the one next to it. You see that.
Is it possible that that rope broke? The other possibility
would be somebody came along and cut it and said, oh,
I'm gonna turn this into a noose, and then they
threw it on Bubba Wallace's Uh. I think it's interesting.
Shannon said that the NASCAR officials were asked specifically about

(04:49):
whether the noose was a part of the garage rope
and didn't answer that question. So the reason why I'm
I'm looking at this is if we don't have video,
which is frustrating, is it? And look, everybody out there
is opposed to racism, right like, so this is not like, oh,
I'm not saying if this didn't happen, racism didn't know

(05:10):
they're a racist they certainly they're problem. Sure they're racist
at NASCAR, just like they're racist at every employment employment, uh,
in place of employment in the country. Right there, racism exists,
So this is not a racism doesn't exist. What I'm
doing is trying to look at the facts of a
specific story. When you look at that rope, the Bubba

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Wallace rope is substantially shorter on the garage, right, Is
it possible? And NASCAR has refused to say whether or
not that is the rope that is the news that
they are investigating. Does this look interesting at least as
a part of this discussion to you, Danny G. Yeah,
I mean it's worth looking at. It is possible, wondering

(05:54):
if maybe it was manipulated by some idiot who knew
the cameras was off. That's that's there. That's why I
asked Shandon like because the reason why I asked that
question is my assumption, and I think most of you
would assume as well. When you see a camera, I
just assume it's on, right, I don't assume that it's

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turned off because of the coronavirus, and so they're not
monitoring things as they ordinarily would. And this was my
thing with the Lebron incident, people got mad at me,
They're like, why are you asking? Lebron literally had a
security camera directly focused on his gate, so when the
police showed up, they said, hey, where's the camera footage?

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And they were like, oh, the camera was off. And
I'm like, if you showed up at Lebron James's gate
and there's a huge camera right there looking out over you,
would you write a racial slur on the gate with
the camera right there looking at you. Wouldn't you assume
that the camera is on. So whether all these people

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knew that the cameras were off, I think is a
big part of this story. The cameras being off well
clear a big part of this story. You can't see
all the cameras though, either you would just assume. I
would think, unless you had inside knowledge, you would think
that cameras were recording. Because you remember I went to
the Fontana Race. What was it It was February, I think,
right before everything got shut down. I had I had

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one of those hot passes, so I got to be
in the garages and I went to two garages, the
number twenty four car because of Kobe, which will William Byron.
I took a picture, and I also went to Bubba
Wallace's garage because one of my friends who happens to
live in Tennessee is a huge Bubba Wallace fan, So
I was taking pictures of stuff in his garage. There
was absolutely nobody around. The race had already started, no

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one was in there. There were some TV monitors, so
I still got to watch what was going on in
the race. But I assumed that camera you were there, yeah,
because I was around all this expensive equipment, because you
could just bought just taking a wrench theoretically, right like
you could have just walked away with something. They were
working on the car, And so your natural assumption is

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there has to be security that would see me if
I walked over here and took something away. Exactly. I
was standing right there next to Wallace's gear, and I
just assumed there's got to be cameras recording me right
now because there's no security guards. Obviously, was somebody on
the inside or somebody that broke into the track and
and just did this, you know, and then took off quickly,

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or is it possible that the rope broke somebody just
tossed it over to the side, and then somebody else
comes in and thinks, oh my god, this is a
news Seriously. I mean the reason why I'm raising that
is an issue is they were specific According to Shannon,

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they were specifically asked whether it was the pull rope
on the garage that was the noose, and they didn't.
They wouldn't answer. So if like, if you knew that
it was not that, wouldn't you say no, it wasn't
that it was a different rope. Just look, this is

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this is what lawyers do. Right. People want to immediately rush.
They want to put the cart before the horse, right.
They want to come running in pell mell, especially in
a social media era, and they want to establish all
these different factors, right, like all the significance of it.

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And by the way, props to NASCAR for the way
they have responded and rallied around Bubba Wallace. But is
it possible that there wasn't actually a noose there with
the intent? In other words, a lot of people are like, oh,
this is fake. Right, It's in this day and age,
doesn't matter what the story is. People on the internet,

(09:52):
social media, they're like, oh, this is fake. And then
there's other people that are gonna be like, oh, this
is a u percent a hate crime without looking at
any of the evidence. Is it possible? It's somewhere in
the middle that when you actually look at the data,
and I think today is a big day for NASCAR.
I tweeted out the picture if you want to see

(10:13):
it for yourself, of Bubba Wallace's garage because I was
asking Shannon questions. I had no idea what these garages
look like at Talladega. If you're curious about what that
looks like, you can go look at the picture. You
can zoom in at Clay Travis dub you're looking at
the picture that I tweeted out as well. That pull rope,

(10:35):
it does look different on Bubba Wallace's garage than it
does on the garage next to it. Right, it is
substantially shorter on this photograph. Yeah, I'd say at least
half the length, probably less than half the length. And
the end of the rope has like a circle, which
would be considered could be considered a NEOs like circle, right,

(10:57):
like a loop in other words, where you like put
your finger in. If you think about the old school,
like how do you pull a garage door? Down. Some
of them had ropes, and some of them have like
a circle at the bottom where you could put your
fingers in to pull it down. Now, it's possible somebody
cut that rope on Bubba Wallace's garage and then through it,

(11:20):
intending it to be an insult. It's also possible that
that rope was already shorter and was never actually the
same as the other ropes. It's also possible that that
rope broke and somebody just threw it off to the side,
and then when somebody on Bubba Wallace's crew came in,
they said, oh my god, there's a news here. We

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don't know. That is why NASCAR needs to answer these questions.
Is there anything else from that picture that stood out
to you, dub I mean, the only thing that really
stands out is, I mean, the rope is significantly shorter
than the other rope pictured. And I mean I think
the fact that, uh, what Shannon said that when they
were asked NASCAR was about whether or not the news

(12:07):
was related to that rope, the pull down rope in
the garage, and they didn't answer. I mean to me
and I you just kind of laid that out in
your previous statement there. To me, it kind of makes
me think that that's probably where the news came from. Now,
whether or not what the intent was that seems to
be the real question. But I feel like I feel like,

(12:28):
just put piecing together all these pictures and in ideas,
I feel like that has to be the origin of
the news. Now, the intent is obviously the bigger question
at hand here, which is why you need a camera
which maybe wasn't turned on, which makes this potentially more
difficult than it otherwise might have been. But to me,

(12:50):
if you're asked if your NASCAR specifically directly, was it
a rope from the garage door that was potentially considered
to be the news and ASCAR refuses to comment on it,
that to me sounds like something that would suggest the
answers yes, because if you ask something that's not the case,

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you would think you'd say, no, no, that's not that's
not the where we think the rope came from. It all, Eddie,
you've had chance to look at this picture now as
we are doing our own uh investigation here. This is
one of the things that can be positive about social
media or negative, is there are lots of different people
that want to play detective on the internet with stories

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like these on social media. Um, the picture appears to
be accurate of the Bubba Wallace car there. I tweeted
it out because I do find it interesting just to
know what the garages look like, because that's one of
my first questions. But also the fact that the rope
is right there on his pull door and is substantially
shorter than the one next to it, and the fact

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that NASCAR was specifically asked about this makes it look
like potentially that could be the door, right. What do
you think when you look at that picture and that
tweet that I sent out? Well, first off, I want
to give major props to Shannon Spake who she was fantastic.
She was, She was awesome and answered a lot of
questions I had, so that was great. Did I not

(14:16):
ask I? Did I did? I should? Like you guys
can text me in the middle of an interview, it's
kind of hard, or maybe I could throw it out
to you guys more so, But it was there any
question you wish that I had asked her? That I
didn't because I'm trying. I try to ask questions most
of the time as if I were a listener. In
other words, like if I'm driving around in my car,
the questions that I'm trying to ask of guests when
we have a story like this that we're trying to unpack,

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is the question that I would want to be answered,
did it? Was there anything that I didn't ask that
you wished I had? No? I think you covered it.
And I also think the one thing I really took
away and and really was questioning was why there was
no comment on that specific question about was it was
the news from a rope you know that was attached
to the door, Because I've looked at your picture that

(14:58):
you tweeted out in a bunch of other pictures as well,
and I think you're you're You're kind of final theory
is something that I'm kind of leaning towards now, is
it did someone cut that rope that looks like a
noose and put it somewhere to where you know it
was meant to be offensive to or did it break
and somebody just tossed it off to the side, and

(15:18):
maybe it was and not intending to be at a
negative And then it's found like, right, what is and
this is why you need a video? This is why
there needs to be a video to tell us exactly
what happened in order to know who did it, because
then you know you can actually go in and talk
to the person who did it and try to figure

(15:39):
out Like I think if the video showed somebody with
a with scissors or a knife and they cut it
and then they throw it in the direction of his
car or place it on the top of the car
or in some way, Like we don't know where this
rope was found, right, so in what what was the

(16:01):
intent of the placing of the rope? All these things
are important and go towards helping to explain what exactly happened.
Anything else from you, Eddie, like who did this and
what was their intent? If that rope is the like,
we need to know all these details because they go
towards explaining exactly what was going on. And again, to me,

(16:27):
the fact that NASCAR didn't comment when asked about that
rope and whether it could have been from the garage
pole door is a really interesting question. And again there
are a lot of people who are I don't believe it,
like I think it was staged, right, And every doesn't
matter what the story is On the internet, people don't

(16:49):
believe it, right, Like Elon Musk can send a spaceship
to UH to link up with the space station. And
if you search on social media, there's like people like, oh,
it's all staged, No way, this is real, Right, that happens.
There are also people who are immediately going to believe
everything that they read on the internet. And then there's

(17:13):
also the possibility there are three options here. Right, it's
a hate crime, and whoever did it should be excluded
from NASCAR for life and charged with a crime. That's
option one. Option two is maybe it's not a intentionally
nefarious act. Maybe the garage door broke the chord, it

(17:36):
was thrown off to the side. It was later found
in Bubba Wallace's garage, and because of the hyper sensitivity
surrounding him right now, somebody thought, oh my god, this
is a threat that's been made against him. This is
a news And then the other option, which some people believe,
is that it's all staged. Right, That's I would say,

(18:00):
is there any other possibility? Like, if you are an investigator,
you begin with everything that could happen as you look
at the facts. Is it fair to say those are
the only three possibilities as you look at anybody think
of a fourth possibility. It's a hate crime, it's a
broken rope that was out an abundance of caution, considered

(18:22):
to be something nefarious that was not intended, or it
was staged. And those are the three options. I think
the staged is the less like, the least likely personally.
Um So that's my opinion, but certainly there are a
lot of opinions out there. Can anybody else think of
another option than the three that I just laid out?

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Danny g any other options? I don't think So those
are the options. Dub any other options. I can't imagine
another one other than those three, Eddie, any other options
not that I can think of at this time. If
you're investigating and if you're looking at the facts, those
are the three options. What I believe NASCAR needs to
do today is either charge someone, let us know who's responsible,

(19:08):
or they need to come out and tell us all
the details of how this rope was found, where it
came from, who discovered it, where it was All of
these things need to be explained today by NASCAR. Given
all the attention this story has gotten. All right, when
we come back We'll be joined by Petro's Papadakis, the

(19:28):
satis man in all of sports talk radio at the
Old p on Twitter. This is outkicked the coverage with
Clay Travis Shannon's spake. You're walking into a whirlwind here
because I've got the most difficult question that has been

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out there for a while. All Right, I just put
up the poll question. I'm not gonna tell you what
the results are yet. Which is the dumber woke statement
from yes terday dead Spin arguing the Master should have
to change its name because of racism, or Brett Farves
saying Pat Tilman and Colin Kaepernick are both heroes because

(20:11):
quote they did something similar. This is the question that
is nearly You're gonna go far I have to, Yeah,
I mean to to compare. Listen, I I understand, um,
you know the Colin Kaepernick stuff. I understand why he
did it. And you know, I'm on the football field.
I get you know, the point that he was trying
to make and and and the attention he was trying

(20:33):
to bring to to to you know the fact that
there's not justice, but the fact that Pat Tilman walked
away from everything went over there. I know that he
was killed by friendly fire, but but gave his life
to fight on the front lines. I just, um, yeah,
that's a hard one not to kind of go up with.
All Right, So the public, I told you this was
almost a perfect question. So far in the commercial break,

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hundred of you voted. You can go vote at Clay Travis.
It's the top tweet that I just sent out. Fifty
two percent are saying the Master's name change, forty eight
percent are saying far v on Tilman and Cap. And
here's the thing. When I come up with a poll
that I'm like, oh, this is gonna be basically fifty fifty,

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I know it's a killer question, right because everybody's out there, like,
on the one hand, I'll make this argus, so with
what's going to eventually be tens of thousands of people voting,
this is going to be right up there for a
battle for the ages between Which is the dumber comment
that was made yesterday? All right, So there's a lot

(21:38):
of it everywhere. Alright, So let's go into the actual
race itself. Exhilarating end of the race there. I was
watching it live on television, as I imagine a lot
of my listeners were I couldn't even tell who won, right,
I mean I watched it and then I was like, well,
I gotta figure out the photo finish, uh, And then
we figure out how exactly close it was? Seven one

(21:59):
thousands of a set again or something like that. I
think was the was the amount, how crazy and wild
was the race itself. That's as exhilarating of an ending
as you can get. Well, I mean, I told you
last week that Talladega is you know that that racetrack
is my favorite racetrack to go to. Um, I told
you last week, if you had one race to watch

(22:20):
every single year, Talladega would be the one to watch
because it's just so amazing. Uh. One of my favorite
things to do ever when I covered racing was the
stand on top of that haller and to watch those
cars go through the front stretch at full speed. And
and that's honestly one of the reasons why when when
all of this went down this weekend with Bubba Wallace, Uh,
you just I mean, it's so hard to defend a

(22:41):
place where something like this happened, and and that was
part of the story for me. And um, I've been
listening all morning long, and I have some answers for
you guys. So, um, go first one, Um, I think
you kind of said, like cameras, right, So here's the deal,
Clay right, Okay, So yes, normally there are camera in
that garage. Listen, there are a hundred and forty thousand

(23:03):
square feet of social engagement areas inside the garage stalls, right,
Fans can walk through there, they can see teams working
on the cars. To the guests, there are cameras, but
because of the current climate, these cars are literally coming
off the hallers. They aren't even going into the garage.
They're going straight to TECH and then they're going out
to the grid. So what NASCAR is said, they're not

(23:26):
confirming how many cameras are actually on in those garages
right now. But but they haven't reactivated or put those
cameras back because they they're not needed. The cars aren't
going into the garage, you're not working on the cars.
If they fail tech, that's when they'll go into the garage.
But for no other reason, and obviously with the rain delay,
that's where they had to be parked. So as far

(23:46):
as cameras, I was shocked when I found I'm like,
there's cameras everywhere. But I reached out to a couple
of crew chiefs this morning and that was the answer
that I got, which makes sense to me, right, it
makes sense why they wouldn't have those on. Okay, So
that's the first think the gonna ask a warrior like
questions here, because this is good information. Do you think
that everybody would have known that those cameras were not on?

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And the reason why I asked that is, I have
no idea if I'm walking up to somebody who has
like a ring camera on their front door, whether it's
functional or not. But my assumption is if I see
a camera that it's working. Right, So do you think
the average person was aware that, hey, all these cameras
may not be working if you know you were walking

(24:31):
by one. I don't know the answer to that, right,
I mean, um, I don't know the answer to that.
And again, Clay, I mean, there's ways around these cameras
right there, not necessarily, like I mean, there's these garages
are huge, there's forty cars. They just said that there's
a hundred and forty thou square feet of social engagement
area inside the garage area. So it's not like you're,

(24:51):
you know, walking into this small little area. I don't
know the answer to that. Listen, there's a limited amount
of people. It's track right now. We know that everything
is secure, are right. People people have to get you know,
their temperatures taken. It's only necessary personnel. So there's all
of that, right. And I did hear you guys mentioned
this morning about like you know, I know the size
of a football stadium. Well, to kind of give you

(25:13):
a perspective, Calladegas two and seventy acres. That's the infield
two hundred and seventy acres compared to like Bryant Denny Stadium,
which is thirteen acres. I looked this up this morning
just to kind of you that it's a massive, infilled venue. Yes,
huge right now. The garage area is definitely smaller. It's secure.

(25:34):
There's fences around them, but there are points right that
you get into the garage and they're not They don't
have security guards wrapped all the way around the senses.
So what happened was most crews, most teams, everyone got
released about four o'clock on Sunday. This is kind of
a timeline I'm I'm aware of because of the rain delay.
And that's that's when the cars were pushed back into
the garage. I believe, based on the statements that we've heard,

(25:56):
this is when this article was found. It was found
by a crew member or Bubble Bubba according to what
I've heard, did not see it. A crew member called NASCAR. Now,
why would they tell people because I did hear you
say this earlier. Why would they let people know before
they found it? Well, because it's gonna get out, right,
And then if it gets out and people find out
that NASCAR didn't say that this was found in a garage,
that's gonna look even worse. Right, Um, if NASCAR doesn't

(26:18):
release this because A they have to make sure Bubba
has extra security when that car was moved back into
the garage. They did check the car in the morning
to make sure it had not been hampered with. They
had extra security for Bubba. Whoever the crew guy that
found this, obviously he's going to talk. The team needs
to know. NASCAR officials got involved, so that's why they
they They openly kind of told everyone that this has happened.

(26:40):
NASCAR's pretty small area. People do talk. It would have
gotten out. I feel like it would have. Um, the
FBI is involved, so in terms of what they can
say and what they can't say, I mean, you know
this better than most, right, I mean, you've got to
kind of be a little bit careful about what you
say as the investigation is going on. Am I surprised
that there wasn't um some kind of answer yesterday a little,

(27:01):
but I also thought maybe, like let's let's the race happen,
and let's let's get let's get everything in a row
and then let's move forward. UM. I would expect that
we're definitely gonna hear something today, something else I wanted
to kind of mention, and it's about Bubba, right, because
I know all that social media stuff out there right now,
Clay people are kind of you know, they're they're insinuating
that he, he or team may have had something to

(27:22):
do with it. And I, like many people, I definitely
in a lot of situations have like you know, skepticisms
and and and all those types of things. So I
kind of thought about this in in a way that
that made sense to me. And here it is. So
Bubba's been in the sports since two thousand thirteen, right,
two thousand thirteen. He lost his ride in two thousand
seventeen and was able to fill in for Eric Almola

(27:45):
at Richard Petty Motorsports when Eric got hurt. That is
how he got this chance at Richard Petty Motorsports. Bubba
has fought to stay in this sport and until the
last few weeks he's actually avoided talking about race. He
didn't want to be known as the black NASCAR driver
when George Floyd died, when he was murdered, that is
when Bubba, and at first Bubba didn't want to talk
about it, by the way, he didn't want to be

(28:07):
that face, right, and then something changed and something awoke
inside of him, and now he is. So I'm my
question is why when we're actually making progress in this sport,
like he has been the face of progress and this
act of just discussed, it's a setback. So why would
someone who's trying to make progress in a sport, a

(28:28):
sport that he loves. He's got the support of everybody.
I don't understand why people could even look at him
and think that he would be responsible for this. Well,
I think they said that NASCAR said that he wasn't involved, right,
that he wasn't there. He didn't see it, so he didn't.
The idea that he would be involved I think would
require a pretty good leap at this point, because if

(28:49):
he didn't see it and he wasn't involved in turning
it over to NASCAR, you would have to argue that
it would take it. You'd have to take a big
leap for him to be involved. So so that is
that is something that is out there as a fact. Now,
you said that you expect to hear something today. What
makes you think that you're going to hear something today?
Is that just based on your intuition or is it like,

(29:11):
what what are you hearing that makes you feel like
today could be the day. I would think that they
would have to make some kind of statement. I'm not
saying that I think we're going to find out today
what happened, but I would think that there has to
be some kind of statements because, like you, and like me,
and like everybody that's calling into your show this morning,
we we do want answers. We want to know how
this happened, why this happened, and who did this? And
I would think that NASCAR would make some kind of statement,

(29:34):
even if it's as simple as like, hey, we're continuing
to move forward. We're still investigating. We're doing this, we're
doing that. UM. Not saying that we're going to get
something like you know, you know firm today, but I
do think that NASCAR will make some kind of statement.
How So you're this is good in focus. You've been
to Talladega, you understand it. I'm obviously not that familiar
with it. But I look at all the stories like

(29:54):
these and look for the facts to try to tie
them together. Do we have any idea how how many people?
So all these cars get pulled back because of the
rain delay and they're put into garages. Let me just
take a step back and ask this question. Does everybody
have an individual garage with its own walls where like

(30:15):
you would walk in and they would be like, Okay,
this is Bubba Wallas's garage, this is Jimmy Johnson's garage,
right like where you could see the car parked in
there and you could like shut down your area or
is it one larger room? Like what do the garages
look like at Talladega? They are they are one large
building that basically cars parked next to each other. They

(30:37):
have a stall entrance UM with a door that closes
that stall. Right, So each car can kind of pull in,
but it is open. Now, I haven't been to the
new Talladega garage, but I will tell you how every
other every other garage that I've ever seen, these cards
they literally work right next to each other. So if
you want to yeah, sorry, I'm just trying to visualize

(30:57):
that if you were standing inside of a garage another STU,
you can look into it. It's like a horse stall, correct, yes,
but without like the sides. There's no sides, right, I mean,
they just pull in. There's a garage that opens up,
a garage joy that opens up. You pull in, but
you could literally walk, like if I wanted to walk
across from one car to the next, I could walk
all the way down. Now, what I was told was

(31:18):
that the truck drivers, the holler drivers, they did bring
sort of they have like a crash car in case
they crash that they can bring the car into the garage.
It's got all of your stuff on it. I was
told that they brought those into the garage dolls. So
that's how you know. And often and they are lined
up in the garage based on points. So it's also
the way that they park their haulers is based on points. So, yes,
you do know that you would see the crash card

(31:40):
in there, you would see the forty three Richard Petty Motorsports.
You would know that it was Bubba Wallace's garage. But
the car did not actually go into that garage until
the race was called around you know, three thirty four
o'clock on Sunday, that's when the car was brought into
the garage. Would the driver drive the car into the garage? No? No,
the cars once it started raining, the cars on pit

(32:01):
road were covered up and left there and they cover
them up to keep them out of the rain, and
then the crew would push the car back to the garage.
The Bubba would have had nothing to do with that.
He was probably back at his holler, I should say,
so the crew pushes it back. So when you think
about it, and I know you we're not like you're
not on the Bible here, but how many people do
you think would have been able to have access to

(32:23):
a garage like this from four PM, let's say, when
they get the cars back into the garage until later
that afternoon when it suddenly becomes a story like are
we talking a hundred people? Two hundred, five hundred like,
what kind of number would you think that they Because
the reason why I bring that up is in theory,

(32:44):
that is your suspect group. Right, if somebody did this,
then it's got to be we know somebody who has
access to these garages. How many people could have had
access to the garages kind of a question I'm asking, Yeah,
not many right now, I mean unless I mean listen,
and there's always speculation that someone could have snuck in, right,
There's that security could have been breached. We had obviously,

(33:05):
I don't know if you saw there was a plane
flying over with a banner that's a defund NASCAR with
the Confederate flag. There was apparently a couple of protests
outside the racetrack on Sunday about the Confederate flag being removed,
and so certainly, and I just mentioned two d and
sixty acres, right, I mean, someone could have breached security.
So I think that's all that's um, I mean, all

(33:25):
that is on the table right now, and that's obviously
why the FBI is involved. Uh is much bigger than
what NASCAR can do. And uh, yeah, I listen, I
mean all of us want answers, right, Clay, I mean
this is a sport that I've covered for two decades,
and you know with NASCAR, listen, this is not a
sport that you just kind of show up and you
work sixteen weeks or twenty weeks and then you go

(33:46):
and you have an off season. We we spent forty weeks,
forty weeks, four days a week, which is why one
of the reasons so many people in the garage are
taking this personally, because this is not just an attack
on Bubba Wallas. This is an attack on on every
single person um that that that is pushing for change
in this sport. And and this is I mean, it's
you saw the drivers and you saw you've seen me.

(34:08):
The emotions are so rang and so real from everyone
in that garage, and it's m it's a very painful,
painful thing that we've we've dealt with as the community
this past weekend. So I'm circling back around. But again,
but do you think it's hundreds? Like would you think like, oh,
it's you know, like if you were setting over under
less than that? Okay, So yeah, so there's forty cars

(34:29):
forty cars, right, and then there's you know, would they
have fifteen essential personnel? They also have some pit crew guys.
So yeah, I mean I would say upwards of a
hundred total, right, But I don't know what the protocol
was in specific terms with Talladega, in terms of how
many people were able to bring that car back. I mean,
think about it. If the cars were out on the
grid during the rain delay for an extended period of time,

(34:49):
teams were back in their hallers, drivers were at their
motor home. There was a long period of time where
those cars, those garage dolls were open. I mean there's
there's a there's a there's a lot. There's a significant
period of time where someone could have done this. Right now,
the amount of people that are allowed quote unquote are
certainly smaller. There's no fans in the garage. Even though
there were fans in the stands, they're not allowed in

(35:10):
the garage right now. So the personnel is limited absolutely,
which is why I mean, as as we mentioned, I
don't think it. I mean, this should not be the issue.
With the cameras, I think is the biggest thing. Right Normally,
those cameras would be on and operating because there are
so many people around, and I believe Bubba Wallace's mom
was on serious this past weekend, maybe last night, and

(35:33):
said that she had heard that there was no video evidence. Uh,
NASCAR did take a picture from what I've heard of this,
UM of this devices news that they found inside the garage.
UM And we have not seen that picture yet. And
I know that's one thing that one of your one
of your callers asked about. UM, but I have been
told that there is a picture of it. Would it

(35:54):
be so to me? I take a step back, and
let's think about it. Obviously, you want to catch who
might have been responsible for this. If you can't catch
who was responsible for this, then the next step to
me is you need to have the people who discovered
this go talk to the public right and answer questions, because, uh,

(36:14):
there is going to be a lot of questions. And
if you're not going to be charging someone with a crime,
I think most people out there gonna say, Okay, well
I want as much information about this as possible. Does
that make sense to you? So if if as the
days go on like and yesterday, you can at least argue, hey,
the race is going on like it didn't really like
it would detract if you try to be doing arrest,

(36:36):
you know, ten minutes before everybody starts to the race
or whatever else. But to me today and that's what
I started off the show by saying, today is an
integral day to trying to figure out what exactly happened
in terms of this situation. If you can't resolve it today,
then I think a lot of people start to say, Okay,
what actually is going on? Right? Like, that's the response
that we're going to see. I agree with you, Clay,

(36:59):
I mean, we all want answers, right, I mean, I
agree with you one. I think every single person, whether
you're a NASCAR fan or not, wants answers because this
is disgusting display that that that that yes, I mean,
and it's it can't just go away, right. We need
to find out what happened. I agree with you on um.
I you know from what I've heard that they questioned

(37:20):
people again because I do I mean, listen, people talk, right,
and if this something happened in this garage or if
someone was involved in this, I do believe it's going
to get out. I do not believe that this is
going to uh. This is certainly not going to go away.
It's not right, And I agree with you. We do
need answers. Can you come back? I could had a

(37:41):
couple more questions for you. We're talking to chan Spake
about this huge NASCAR story. This is outkicked the coverage
with play trafficks. All right, Shannon, I got this a
lot online. I bet you have gotten it as well.

(38:04):
Is it possible that this is neither a intentional hoax
nor a noose? That this could be a rope that
potentially is used in UH in the garages that just
happened to be in the bubble Wallas vicinity, and people
were particularly sensitive and nervous, and so they believed that

(38:27):
it might be a threat, when in reality it could
have just been a rope. In other words, there's a
lot of people out there who say, I'm skeptical, I
don't believe it. There's a lot of people who say,
I do believe it. Is it possible? It's somewhere in
between those two things. I would really my gut, My
gut tells me because obviously this is something that I
thought of as well, because you're just like you go,

(38:47):
I can't imagine insanely right that someone because if someone
did it, it's racist, But you're risking your career, your
be banned for NASCAR from life, and you would also
probably go to jail all for what exactly. Okay, So
if there are lots of people out there who are like, oh,
this is clearly like a racist act, this is unacceptable,

(39:08):
and everybody would agree if that's the case, I think
almost entirely in my audience, there are also people out
there who say, you know, I'm this naturally skeptical, and
then is there a middle ground where it's an abundance
of caution? And then you look at it and you're like,
I'm not sure what might have been going on because
there are pictures out there that are circulating on the
internet of different ropes and different things, and I'm sure

(39:31):
there are lots of different ropes involved. I'm not an expert.
I don't know how you fix cars and what you do,
but I'm sure there are ropes involved in that. Is
it possible that it's not criminal, that it was it
was an abundance of caution? Is there any possibility of that? Yeah?
I um again, Clay, I you know my mind immediately
when like, I really hope that this is not true.

(39:52):
I hope it's a mistake. I hope it's something that
was just you know, in there. I would doubt Listen,
I think that they're capable of human beings that walked
into that garage, and I think that they know the
difference between just a rope hanging there and something that
looks like a noose, right, I think that they would
be able to differentiate between those two. Now. C Felts,
who's the president of NASCAR, was asked if this was

(40:14):
the rope, because they actually have ropes that that pulled
the garage dolls down, you know, like your garage, so
it would hang on to the outside of the clamp
or whatever that you would pull down, and so there
are ropes. And he was asked if it was that rope,
and he did not answer that question. He would not
answer that question. Uh, So, again, I don't know what
it looks like. Is I haven't seen a picture, and

(40:34):
no one has seen a picture. Uh. Is it possible
that there might have been something hanging in there that
was a rope from the outside of the garage or
something that went on the car? Sure, but I would
I would like to think that someone who looks at
it would know the difference between that and know the
difference between what a noose looks like hanging in someone's garage,
And if they're going to go and say that this
is the specific thing that it was and bring this

(40:55):
attention and get the FBI involved and get you know,
extra security around Bubba, I would hope that they would
know the difference between one and the other. I amen.
But also you can see a situation where if you're
hyper on alert, where you're like, you're just you're you're
going to be more apprehensive than you ordinarily would given

(41:16):
the situation, which is reasonable. I this is why, by
the way, it's so incumbent upon NASCAR to come out
I think today honestly and answer the question about what
exactly is the story here and and also release the picture.
Right if there is a picture of this news, Uh,
what is it? You know, what does it look like?

(41:37):
Is it similar to the rope that would have been
used to pull the garage door down? Is it something
totally different than that? Uh? That would go a long
way towards answering these questions as well. I'm I'm on
board with you, you know, and I'm I'm with everyone else.
I want answers as well. I mean, this is a
sport that I've been a part of and and have
you know, care very much about and and have. Um,
I mean, this is a sport that I'm a part of,

(41:58):
you know, and so I certainly want answers as well. Um. Again,
I hope that they would know the difference between the
two and this stuff if if it was a mistake,
I would venture to say that they would air on
the side of caution rather than just kind of going
forward and moving forward with something as as disgusting as
as what they've as what they've said that was in
this garage. Um. So that's that's kind of where I

(42:19):
lay right now. And um, but I again, I want
answers just as much as everybody else. Everybody does. Shannon,
you're fantastic. Thank you for getting up early with us.
As always, we will talk to you, hopefully next week
and we'll have some resolution on this. Okay. Thanks, that's
Shannon Spake. We'll talk about this a little bit more
when we come back. We'll also update you on the
poll results. Which is dumber changing the name of the

(42:39):
Masters or Brett Farves saying about Colin Kaepernick. In comparison
to Pat Tillman, they both did something similar, which is dumber.
I'll update you. It's the poll question potentially of the decade.
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(43:01):
trying to hang on here. I got two more seconds.
This is Outkicked. The coverage with Clay Travis. Let's go
ahead and bring in my guy, Petros Papadakis, a M
five l A sports at the Old p on Twitter.

(43:21):
Petro's my man baseball. It feels like may finally be back.
Are you ecstatic? Are you excited? Are you sitting shirtless
right now filled with anticipation, in glee and glory. I
am sitting shirtless, and I am filled with something. But
it's not that I am so tired of the emotional
pendulum that the baseball situation is. And somebody told me

(43:47):
exactly what it was a couple of people, smart baseball
types told me exactly what it was like weeks ago,
and I still just went along. It's like having a
girlfriend that just loves to pull on your emotion chords
and you just go along with it because you know
the end result is going to be makeup, sex or something,

(44:08):
so you just go along with all the all the
emotional machinations, and that's what we've been doing with baseball.
But somebody told me a long time ago, Look, this
is just working like one of those arbitrations does. Or
it gets really nasty between both sides, and then eventually
they make a deal or it comes to whatever conclusion.

(44:33):
And usually we don't know what happens behind those closed
doors and those arbitration meetings. I I know that most
of the players just want to punch everybody when when
they come out of one of those, but we have
to be witnessed to the whole thing, and that that's
been difficult because it put a really sour taste in

(44:53):
people's mouth, and they don't like the back and forth.
They don't like to see the tip for tat between
very wealthy people who don't seem to be arguing about
health issues. We talk about this all the time. It's
about money and how to split it up, and it's
a turn off. But when we get it, we'll we'll
get it, and we'll have live sports on a daily

(45:17):
basis that people want to and need to and love
to celebrate. So I think we'll forgive them all if
it comes back. But if it doesn't that'll be tough
to forgive. Yeah, no kidding. Um, we're talking to petros
because am five seventy l A sports. You played college football,
and now every day we have updates on the percentage

(45:40):
of players that are testing positive and everything surrounding that. Uh.
I know it's hard to see a little bit to
think about, but it appears I talk to people, and
I'm sure you have to at L s U and
Clemson that the guys are getting infected not from working
out and getting back to back to playing football, but
because they're on campus and they can go out to

(46:02):
bars or house parties and chase girls. That might be
the biggest threat in terms of guys getting this virus. Um.
Take it back in time when you were eight years old,
when you were the captain of USC's football team. Can
you imagine if you'd been sent home, told to stay
at home for months, and then suddenly you get back
on campus and there's suddenly lots of girls around and

(46:23):
everything else. How hard would it have been to get
your teammates not to go to parties and not to
be out hanging out with those girls. Impossible? Yeah, you
would have to have a beach cruiser bike patrol with
a bunch of like, uh, ball boys and managers and stuff,

(46:46):
just to be out there narking on people. And I've
seen that before on like a big Thursday night where
the coach says, I don't want anybody out this and that,
and we leave on Friday morning or something, and they'll
they'll send out a big narc kind of brigade to
go write down names and figure out who's doing what. Yeah,

(47:09):
I mean it would really be difficult. I mean it. Look,
when you're a twenty year old college football player and
you run and jump and and lift, and you you
can basically do most things physically that people can't do,
and you're young and you feel invincible, and you think
you can jump over a car and you think you're

(47:32):
gonna live forever and you're never going to be stopped
and nothing bad is ever gonna have. Mean that is
that is really what goes through the minds of these
young people, and it's hard to get them to acquis now.
The one thing is when I see a bunch of
people have COVID on a team, like a lot of
people gasp and it's not a death sentence. You know
they're not going to do They're they're going to be fine. Now,

(47:57):
if there's an older person who's immune to mission or
something around the football team, that's a concern, and that's
something that these these programs have to deal with. But
I don't I wasn't super concerned that it was happening
right now. I would think it's better to get it
out of the way, these outbreaks now, so teams can

(48:18):
figure out how to deal with it, how to go forward,
how to separate players. But it's damn dear impossible to
tell college kids not to interact with each other. It's
it's it's almost futile. And I don't know how I
would go about doing it as a as a young guy,
I guess, and as a team captain. I mean, do

(48:39):
you think that the coach has come to you and say, look,
because they're one hand. There's an argument that everybody getting
exposed to the coronavirus, especially when you're young and you're
under a greater danger from the flu or pneumonia, and
most of the time the cases are asymptomatic, that everybody
getting exposed during the training camp era basically right now

(49:01):
is not necessarily an awful thing because it means that
nobody's gonna get sick during the season, right, You can
make that argument, and then it's but I don't you know. Look,
we started talking on the Fox World yesterday about college football,
and there's still a lot of big questions, but we
want to do college football, you know. And we got

(49:24):
the teams together and we started having some outbreaks. So
football in itself is about overcoming adversity. It's not about
things being perfect. It's not about having everything be executed
in the exact proper way every time. It's about having
things get all messed up and overcoming that adversity that

(49:45):
is football. Within a game, within a practice, within a lifetime,
within a season, it's about overcoming stuff. So this is
a this is a hill that they have to climb.
But the guys are okay. You know. That's the one
thing I want emphasize because there's so much information and
we're getting we're getting so confused all the time. The

(50:06):
players are going to be fine. No one is in danger.
The players are safer with their teammates than they are,
you know, back at home going to parties. Now campus
is a whole different thing. And the funny thing is
is it's the middle of the summer. You know, usually
we're all alone on camp I know at U s c. Clay,

(50:26):
I mean, we were alone on campus in the summertime.
That's a commuter school in many ways. You know, unless
there's a football game home game, which is like what
seven games a year on Saturday. Most people go home
on the weekends at USC and they're they're gone during
the summer. I mean, we couldn't find a party to

(50:47):
go to if we wanted to. We used to drink
forties on the practice field and stare at each other
and then go back the next day and there'd be
empty forty bottles of the strange. Coach would be mother
effic some homeless, the homeless are leaving their bottles out,
would laugh, but you know, there wasn't anybody to party with.
It is really funny. So but to me, what this

(51:09):
is is a little bit of a window of what
the return of college is going to be like. Because
you've got all these kids that by and large have
been at home and mom and dad's apartment or condo
or house wherever you live when you're not in college,
and then you get back to a college campus and
your favorite bar and your girls are out there and
everybody's gonna rush out, and there's gonna be a huge
spike in initial infections. And football is reflective of that

(51:34):
as opposed to like an outlier. Right, if football players
are just reflecting what's likely to happen elsewhere, what already
has happened at Clemson and l s U is likely
to happen elsewhere. And I don't know, I guess what
I'm saying is short of saying like, hey, we're gonna
start doing bed checks, and maybe that's the answer. Maybe
they're gonna have to for football season really restrict these guys,

(51:55):
much like is happening on on the NBA with their bubble.
Maybe they're going to have to restrict their social activity
in a way that ordinarily is not the case during
the season. But if you're going to classrooms and you're
going out and seeing you're doing taking care of your work,
you would think that that is going to be challenging
in and of itself. Yeah, I mean it probably if

(52:19):
if everything that's happening or being said is true, and
we really are supposed to be that afraid of being together,
and you know me, I'm as confused as ever about everything.
I mean, I I just I can barely keep my
head above water informationally. But if if all that stuff

(52:40):
is true, we probably shouldn't have college and shouldn't have
football in the fall, if all that stuff is true.
But we've been misled a few times during this age
of coronavirus, as you know. So I I believe that
no matter what, they're gonna put kids on campus and

(53:02):
try to play because otherwise, and John Wilner wrote this
the other day too, otherwise the whole thing economically collapses.
And I don't think that colleges will allow that to
happen to themselves, or we'll try to keep themselves from
from having that fate. I'm not sure if it's right

(53:22):
or wrong or what the result is going to be.
But without kids and dorms and kids on campus, colleges
can't make money and they can't sustain their utopian societies
for long at all. So they're gonna give it a try,
and God speed. I hope it. I hope it works
out because I need college football in my life. We

(53:45):
all do. And I hope it's safe and I hope
we can pull it off. All right, I got a
pull question for you. I don't know if you've seen
this yet, but it is maybe the most difficult poll
question of all time. All right, yeah, okay, so uh
they now are seventeen thousand people that have voted in
the what let's see hour and change since it's been up.

(54:08):
Which is the dumber woke statement from yesterday dead Spin
arguing the Master should have to change its name because
of racism or We're gonna play this audio for you.
I don't know if you've heard the audio. Here's Brett Farve.
I've heard it about Pat Tilman and Colin Kaepernick. Will
probably some people are waking up right now and haven't
heard it. It's only the twenty seconds here it is.
You know, I can only think of Ronald stuff. I have.

(54:29):
Pat Tillman's another guy who did something you know, similar,
and we regard him as a hero. So I assume
the hero status will will be stamped with with Kaepernick
as well, all right, which is dumber arguing that the
Masters have to change their name, or Brett Farve comparing
Pat Tilman and Colin Kaepernick, Well, the whole thing is,

(54:53):
you know, they're both dumb. None of it makes sense
because the Pat Tilman Kaepernick. I mean I played against
Pat Tillman. I know his family. Part of what happened
with Pat Tillman was part of the reason the anthems
a problem. You know, military promotion through the NFL and
the friendly fire and you know the military kind of

(55:14):
being a misleading not kind of about the way he
died and all that. It's convoluted there. Uh. I love
Pat Tillman and I can't believe his sacrifice, and I
think about him all the time. I think about playing
against him. So that's a complicated Thingdom for me, the

(55:35):
master's is about being a master of golf, right, Okay,
like uh, like a karate master, is that a chess
grand master someone who has a master's degree, you know,
I mean I don't think farm could answer that question
in any way that it wouldn't have pissed somebody off, honestly.

(55:57):
I mean, making that comparison is really volatile, uh to
many people. Uh, you know you're going masters, right, you know,
I just it's a great question because you're having different
chess master, a master of chess, you know, a master,

(56:19):
card master, master, key master. Yeah, I'm gonna go with master.
But then again, they're trying to get somebody was trying
to get after white Jesus the other day. And uh,
I mean in the Greek Church r G, we have
a lot of icons and stuff like the Catholics. Uh.

(56:42):
And our Jesus is kind of swarthy as opposed to
be in white Jesus wasn't white, he was. You know,
they do have a point. You know, Jesus was not
a white dude. You pretty swarthy guy. But you know,
I mean people take liberties when they paid things. I

(57:03):
guess our Jesus is pretty swarthy. Uh, speaking of Jesus,
can whatever can have whatever skin colored people want. Yeah,
it does, It doesn't really. Yeah, it doesn't really impact
me very much. Master's name change fifty one saying the
master's name changes the dumbest want to change it too
good at golf. I don't know. I guess they could

(57:26):
just call it Augusta National. It's it's really dumb. Petro's Papadakis,
I gotta get to break. Can you come back? And
you want to come back? Just a just to two
words for the Master's ready? Yes, golf tournament, golf tournament, brilliant.
We'll talk to Petro's next week. Uh, he said, like
he was in a a pretty good mood at the old

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