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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
All hell yeah, Brady Quinn, it's a Dan Patrick show
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three o'clock Pacific, but.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
We're doing on We're throwing that around way too much lately. Okay.
Two Hall of famers, one one in the Pro Football
Hall of Fame, now one of the College Football Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Damn right, just to ask him and Professor Styx Yep.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
That's all right, we forgot we learned that before the
end of twenty twenty five. Sticks picks. Yeah, his pick
is to be a professor apparently at at Penn State University,
which there are some who will be a big time
fan of that as I fall into that category. It's
like Jonas who are are asking the alumni base if
they're upset that that is now watered down their degree,

(00:54):
that LaVar is teaching a class.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
I mean, I just you know, I'm all about, you know,
be fair and balanced on this show, man, and I
just think that it's important to uh to get to
the bottom of this stuff. And I also wonder, you
know this kind of you know, poison the well, so
to speak. That's all I mean. I just I just
want to know what. I want to know what these
classes are going to look like. I want to know

(01:16):
if that's why he's not here because he's preparing for
you know, putting together his lectures and all that. I
just want to know. I gotta know.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
I will say this, and I think you would agree
with this. He has been incredibly enlightening in both of
our lives for the many times and conversations we've had,
mostly off the mic. That is correct. Yes, there's I'm
sure there's a lot of education that's going to be
taking place. Yeah, that is That is correct.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
He's definitely definitely this. He's definitely somebled who's got quite
the resume. So sore. They're getting a U they're getting
one of the great professors and they don't even know
it yet. But you can't listen to us on the
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Begin just search two pros FSR and subscribe. You mentioned
this earlier you were at the Orange Bowl that yeah, yeah,

(02:22):
take it away.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Look, I'll say this, and I mentioned it before. I
think one of my biggest takeaways and in regards to
the teams that are going to be competing for a
national championship that are still in it, and maybe what
went wrong for the teams that were in the playoff
that it didn't go well, I mean, first and foremost
to me, there's no, no, there's no more important position
in all sports in the quarterback, even though look again,
you're only out there, you know, let's say a third

(02:44):
of the time if you really break up the snap
counts with special teams of defense. However, I think even
more so at college football, and the reason is, I
just think there's not as much talent at the college
level on most teams. So a quarterback you can play
a high level, is able to raise that, you know,
level of everyone else at around him. And I think
you've seen that with Indiana this year and obviously Fernanda Mendoza.

(03:08):
I think you saw that a little bit of Dante
Moore this year, the quarterback for Oregon for Texas Tech.
At times he did with Baron Morton, but this was
not one of his best games. You know, he really struggled.
He went up against a team that's got the ability
to rush, got the ability to cover, and that was
very evident. I just I think that was unfortunately one
of those poor performances offensively for Tech. That was not

(03:29):
you know how they played the entire season, and then
you got to give Dan Lanning his staff credit, their
players credit, but also that's just it's a bat out.
It's a bad day, and I thought Oregon in every
capacity was the more physical team. But there's also an
element of I mean, just when I watched Texas Tech
this year, if you go back Evento the Utah game,
Barry Morton struggled. You know in that game, he got injured.

(03:49):
You know, missed a period of time this year. And
it's tough because you know he is He's the type
of player and kid that wanted to always be the
starting quarterback at Texas Tech. Like this is him living
out his dream and that was his final game, and
to go out that way, it's never the way anyone
wants it to go. So it stinks for Texas Tech.
But I think that's a big step for the program

(04:11):
what they're able accomplish. Went in the Big Twelve, you know,
getting a bye, being a you know, number four seed
in the playoff, but now you've got a Dan Lanning
team an Oregon that Jonas, to me feels more like
Ohio State last year, right, Like, didn't play in the
Big Ten championship game, had that time to collect themselves,
got some momentum going in the first round, and now
another dominant performance in the quarterfinal, like squarely looking for

(04:33):
revenge in that rematch versus Indiana.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, and it looked like there's like it feels like
Dan Lanning the experience based on last year. And he's
been very vocal about just the scheduling. You know, look
at that this game should have been played at Loubic
I didn't want to go there, so on and so forth.
But he also talked afterwards about some ways to improve,
some ways to change, some things to get done in

(04:55):
the world of college football to help everybody.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
What do you think of not having thing a first
round by this season. I guess it works, right.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
You know, I've been a proponent for games to be
happening much quicker for a long time. I think that's
best for college football. Again, I felt like this game,
the Orange Bowl first off, was unbelievable. I should have,
you know, really gave him kudos to the Orange Bowl
because it's been a great experience. But it's not the
same bowl experience anymore when you talk about playoffs, right,
you know, our guys didn't leave the hotel. They had
a mindset, you know that we can celebrate when this

(05:25):
thing's all over with, and they were really focused.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
But the hospitality here was unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
But we're trying to serve two different purposes here, and
this is a playoff. Playoff, in my opinion, should have
been played in Lubbock, Texas.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
I said that before.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
That's not because we wanted to go play in Lubbock.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
I certainly didn't.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
I'm glad we played here in Miami and it was
good prep for us. But you know, last year a
very similar situation for us. Feel like that game should
have been playing in Eugene, and there's a lot of
people who do playoffs. You know, I feel like the
playoffs have looked a certain way for a long time.
We're trying to serve two purposes here, and the amount
of time in between games. Obviously it's tough for teams.
You know, we experienced it last year.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I mean, it makes a lot of sense. I also
would say this being at the Orange Bowl last year
and you were there yesterday, And this is not to
give credit to you and LeVar and your alma maters,
but being at the Orange Bowl last year felt a
little bit more significant than maybe the one yesterday that.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Was again but different circumstances, right, I mean, you had
a night game and a semi final game where the winner.
I mean, it's after New Year. You're not dealing with
the holiday, especially a noon kick in Miami, which if
there's anywhere that parties and stays out all night, it's Miami.
I mean, I can't tell you how many people I
met while I was there who were either still just

(06:42):
rolling in from the night before or had a quick turnaround.
And we're not happy about it. I mean, they're the dog.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
But by the way, did you just do yourself a favor?
Like if you go to X type in Dan Lanning
and just find out what the first word is afterwards.
All Right, No, Dan Lanning was not partying on South Beach.
He's just got a lot of energy. Okay, I'll put
it that way, Like people got to stop making reckless
accusations against Dan Landing. Enough's enough guys fired up on
the sidelines.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
I'm not even going to touch that. But but I'll
just I'll say this. I think it's tough for the
quarterfinal games because we saw this a bit a little
bit last year too, with some of the fan bases.
I mean, there was a much greater Texas Tech crowd
that was present for that game, and it was noticeable
inside the stadium, maybe not so much thout the course
that game, just because of the way the game went

(07:30):
so low scoring in the first half and the obviously
the second half, Oregon distanced themselves. But if your Texas Tech,
like you know, outside of the Big Twelve Championship, you
didn't have a first round game, so this was that
moment to travel to it you don't know if your
team's gonna win or not. For Oregon fans, I mean,
they've you know, now gone to you know, if you're
probably going up to Eugene. You know, that's a fan
base that would probably have to travel. There's fans up

(07:52):
in Eugene, obviously, but you know they've been coming from
all over the Pacific Northwest, maybe all over the country,
you know, to see that first round game. And then
you got to decide, am I going to go to
the Orange Bowl? If I'm expecting Oregon, which they were
a slight favorite to win, I got to prepare for
that next trip, you know that in the next place
we're going. And I think that's the tough part about
the playoff system in general right now with a lot

(08:13):
of the New Year six games, is it stresses the
fan bases. It does stress some of the Bowl games,
especially in the quarterfinal round, to sell out some of
those tickets. I mean, geographically speaking, can we not take
a gander or look at where the teams are coming from,
Like maybe we don't need to just have set assignments,

(08:34):
Like maybe we sit there and say, would have it
not been better to have this game played in the
Rose Bowl between Texas Tech and Oregon, Like, wouldn't that
be a little better than having both teams have to
travel across the country? To South Florida. Like again, I'm
just throwing out ideas, because if a tendance is your
concern and the environments you're concerned, that's always going to

(08:55):
be an issue for the quarterfinal round. In my opinion,
I just think you're gonna have a hard time doing
it as the semi final round. Obviously it gets close
in for national championship, those aren't concerns. What's crazy to me, though,
is the fact that this might be the only time
on record in college football history that you could get
a team that plays for the national championship in their

(09:16):
home stadium. Now, you probably have to go back to
the days where, maybe even before the Bulls, where you
just played your schedule and the associated press and teams
kind of claimed the national championship. Like you have to
go to those days. So I'm not a historian, but
I would imagine if Miami makes a national championship game,

(09:37):
they'll I have a chance to do something that I
don't know that will ever be replicated outside of again,
potentially the Hurricanes if they can keep this thing on
a run and Miami ends up being a host sitting
in the future.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Let me ask you something about Dan Lanning. So he
makes the comment that we're trying to do two things.
Is it possible to feed both beaces? Like, is it
possible to have this college football playoff but still keep
the traditions that are the bowl games that we've all
grown up with and watched for so many years. Like
it's a subtle thing, but you know there was something too,

(10:11):
you know, Rose Bulls kicking off an hour earlier. Like
it's a subtle thing, but it's the sunset, Like there's
there's the I just wonder, is there a way to
do both? Or we just passed the point to where
it is what it is?

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Man?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
The playoffs going to change everything.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
I think the playoffs's going to change everything, you know,
because if we're being honest about the desire to expand further,
you know, you're you're going to probably get rid of
conference championship games, you know. I think there's been some
ideas floated out about twenty four teams, which to me
is too many. I mean, I don't I don't think
that makes as much sense. I know, we've got one
hundred and you know thirty some teams in FBS. So

(10:47):
if you look at the percentage of teams actually that
would then have a chance to play for the national
championship that would probably more closely resemble you know, obviously
not what we have in the NFL, but you know
what you have in college basketball, so that there might
be some there might be some validity to that, but
I would say sixteen makes the most sense. I don't
really believe in buys. I think all these programs should

(11:07):
have the chance to host a home playoff game, just
having been to a number of them. It's just it's
an incredible atmosphere and it's a ton of fun from
that point moving forward, though, I don't know, I'm not
sure how you know, you change anything outside of you know,
really seeing how those first round games play out and
basing where those teams will go in the quarterfinal round

(11:28):
based on you know, maybe the you know, the higher
ranked team and the region, right like, that's that's the
only way you could kind of go about doing that.
So create some flexibility to it, yeah, I mean, and
again that's tough to do when you're asking these teams,
depending on how much times in between those games, to
deal with that. So that's that's the first issue. But

(11:49):
going back to the initial point, we talked about in
the first hour, the college football calendar is it's a problem.
It's never made sense to me. It's never syncd up.
I mean, thank god, you know, the powers that be
got to get and said we don't need two transfer
portal windows. I have no idea why. No other sports
of my knowledge in college sports has two windows. You
only needed one. And we're moving closer, obviously to doing

(12:11):
the right things. But start the season a week zero,
start moving through faster to the actual playoff after a
conference championship weekend. If we're going to keep those games
and then end this thing on New Year's or around
New Year's I mean, help, you know, play it somewhere
in this vicinity, you know, after New Year. But I
don't think we need to extend it as far out

(12:33):
as we do into January. I don't think you need
to have to, you know, try to compete with the NFL,
which seems very intent on taking up every Saturday possible now,
which used to be sacred for college football. I mean, like,
let's do some things that are in the best interest
of the sport in the long term, not just how
we're trying to line our pockets right now.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Cash grab. Everything's a cash grab. And I also look
back last year in the Bo Prabula situation at State
when he had to transfer and everyone's like, oh, how
could you leave you? I mean, he's leaving his team
and you know, he's entering the portal and they're in
the semi final and they've got the Orange Bowl coming up.
And James Franklin was the first guy who defended him
and said, look, man, he doesn't want to do this.

(13:14):
He like, he doesn't want to leave his team. And
it also puts him in a It wasn't like perrule.
It didn't appear in games either, like he had some experience.
If something would happened to Drew Rowler last year, all
of a sudden, you don't have that guy because he's
got to enter the portal and ends up at Missouri.
It just it feels like this is a problem, and
even the coaches who are having to see these guys

(13:35):
leave are stepping up going they don't want to do this.
Like everybody's on the same page. It doesn't make any sense,
and for some reason it's still here. Well again, we
have a professional model.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
And I keep going back and forth because I remember
my first year out from playing calling both NFL and programs,
and I'd always have questions for Mike Proer and Dean Blandin.
I'll just say, why are these rules not the exact
same of both levels?

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Right?

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, like what are we doing here? Well, for example,
one of the hardest things for quarterbacks when they adapt
from college football into the NFL is dealing with where
the hashes are. Now, there's a number of reasons we
can kind of go into and all that. Obviously, you know,
the wider the hashes are, the easier. It makes those
boundary throws. So you know, high school, college, you know,

(14:18):
have a little wider hashes. But also it's the manner
in which you spread the field, So the field feels
more spread out because the ball is placed on one
side more so than the other. But you get through
the NFL, it's basically in the middle because the hashes
are so narrow. So, you know, this transition for quarterbacks
oftentimes pre snap post snap, when you're trying to read
whether it's a one high safety meeting there's a safety

(14:39):
in the middle of the field or too high, it
actually flips. You know, in college football, when you see
a safety near the hasher thing and split safety coverage
in the NFL when you see a safety and or
a hasher thing in post high and I know that
sounds like super elementary, and people are like, what's so
hard about that? Well, when you're doing it in the
midst of everything else, you have to take into account
as a quarterback when you're yeah, I have to make

(15:00):
a decision in two and a half seconds, it actually
makes it a little harder than you think when you've
been trained a certain way for years. So I just
I mean the eighth official thing we brought up with
Dean Blandino earlier this week. I have no idea. If
they want extra eyes on the field, why they don't
just bring on an extra eighth official to help get
the call right on the field. It's like, well, that's

(15:21):
a college football thing.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
I was like, oh, okay, you know you mentioned the
uniformed rules at both levels. I completely forgot if had this.
So I was watching with my son. There's a bowl game.
I forget which one it could, like the Dollar Tree Bowl, Like,
who cares. It was some bowl game and they were
doing a replay of a catch made by a guy

(15:43):
at the college level, and he got one foot in
and they you know, it was a completion, et cetera.
And my son says to me, and I swear to
God Papa, but both feet he didn't get both feet.
I was like, well, no, it's college. In college, you
only have to have one foot in. Uh. In the NFL,
yet you have to have two feet in. And he
was like why. I was like, I don't know nothing.

(16:08):
I have no answers for you. I don't know why
there are certain rules that are different at college and
are in the NFL. I have no idea. It seems
like it would make the most sense in the world.
It's pretty easy. It's the same product. Yet for some reason,
there's two different ways to to rule it and officiate it.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
It's weird to have stripe on the ball, no stripes.
You can keep going with it. I mean, even the
way you can, you know, doctor the balls and how
they're providing the NFL risk college are completely different. So
there's a lot of there's a lot of things. I mean,
I don't know, this is the hill I'm willing to
die on.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
But come on, let's go. I would just generally say this,
in the professional model, you don't have free agencies start
until the quote unquote new league year defined as you know,
in the collective bargaining agreement. And I realized there's a
lot of legal just you know people, or I should
say attorneys are legal minds excuse me, that are smarter

(16:59):
than I. So there's some that don't feel like we'll
ever get a collective barn and agreement. There's something that
feel like we do. Whether we do or we don't,
I do think it be it would be in our
best interest to move up the season, figure out a
way of making the transfer portal after the season is concluded,
allow the players coaches to focus on what we should
all be focused on right now, and that's the teams
that are going to try to play for a championship

(17:20):
and end a story like there doesn't need to be
any other debate around you know why it should be
any other way, And if we want to use the
academic calendar as an excuse for it, we threw the
academics out a long time ago, or at least a
few years ago. Once you started involving in IL, once
you started involving the transfer portal, and zero limitations on

(17:41):
the amount of times they transfer everything else. The academic
desires of these student athletes went out the window. It's
all about the money. It's all about where I can
go play and make money. That's the concern for people,
as long as they stay eligible enough. These a lot
of these players don't even go to class anymore. They
literally will never step foot in a classroom all online.

(18:02):
So that's that's the point of which we're at now.
And again I'm not trying to judge it. I think
it's the same bad long term, but you know, for
where we're at now, let's at least clean up the
calendar so we can prioritize the things that matter most,
and that should be winning a championship.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
All right. I got another uniform rule that we should implement.
How about this Major League Baseball aluminum bats. Let's go,
all right, you can you can do it. Aluminum bats,
all right, because like I want to see tank shots.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Someone's gonna die like those guys, the way they'd rip
the ball.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
The chance is what it is, all right, is what
it is.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
That option idea, just.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Letting you know, like there's there's a way that we
can help out every sport. If they would just keep thinking,
it would make things easier for everybody telling you, man,
I kind of advocate for the illuminum bats too, personally,
like just pipe shots with aluminum bats.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
That makes it exciting for me is you can have
a team up like twelve to four in the seventh
or eighth inning, and there's a legit. It's they're gonna
rip off ten runs in one.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
No lead is safe, all right, everybody's wearing a bike
helmet or something in the Yeah, you're.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Gonna be bringing back cut guy's gonna be taking cross
shots driving like especially third base.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Let me tell you something. Two days into the new year,
and you and I have just solved two major problems
uniform rules in football, uniform bats in baseball.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Two days in, I'm not advocating for aluminum bats. I
think that'd be I mean, first off, guys be rewriting
the record books too. It's like I'd rather see them
juicing up again with the wooden bats as opposed to
using the aluminum.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Batsy Patrick, keep this conversation for when we don't want
to talk NBA after football is over. Would you rather
have aluminum bats or steroids in baseball?

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Take your pick?

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah? Noted? Right now, keep that up.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
I'm just saying, like I want my hitters to look
like Mark McGuire's forums, right, that is correct, and I'm
not making any claim he was or was I was saying,
I just want everyone to look absolutely jacked to the
gills when they stand up that plate holding well, it
looks to be a toothpick.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Correct. And if you see a paint can of Andro
and his locker, look the other way. Don't be so nosy,
all right, look And if.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
You have an issue with me saying this right now,
that's the where I grew up in Okay. I was
born in the eighties. Love eighties music, love the nineties.
As far as the style of basketball they played back
then too, as I still think they should bring back
the physicality to the NBA. And I'd lived in an
era where you watch dudes who were absolutely jacked launched

(20:37):
that ball outside of stadiums and I missed.

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What Up?

Speaker 6 (22:36):
What Up?

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Brady? Happy New Year, Jonas, Yeah, I'll see you. I
hope you were able to joy all the games yesterday,
all the fest cities. I know you still worked in
this time slot. However, many many took some time off
just to watch a ball, hang with the family and friends.
That's what we're doing. So we actually was at one
of the games, so there was some boots on the
ground for the Orange Bowl, so that was a ton

(22:58):
of fun. But I'll I'll start off by asking this question,
how long do you get to say Happy New Year
to someone?

Speaker 2 (23:06):
I think it's pretty much it.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
I think you should just say so after today. If
you say happy new to someone, you're a jerky.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah. Basically, you were the main event of the Happy
New Year. And anybody that says it after you, they're
just they're a fraud. Like it's worn out, it's welcome,
we are done. You just said the last one, and
now you got to move on to twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
So you're not going to say Happy New Year to
LeVar when you see him on Monday.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Oh god, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
of course not. I didn't even say it to my wife. No,
please come on, No, that's not happening. Yeah, it's over.
You were the last one. So anybody that said just
you're put on. Notice. Anybody that says that the rest
of the day, you are a fraud. You're living a

(23:54):
lie and you are trying to carry on.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
It is what.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
I don't make these rules.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
To do this. I don't make these January second, twenty
twenty six, and you can't have more of a rosy attitude.
Speaking of Rosie, by the way, what about.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
That Roles how about you. Look at you, mister Segway King,
look at you. Can I tell you, just because the
nuances of football you've forgotten more than ninety nine percent
of the planet. I'll just say this that there are
certain games where you watch and you don't need to
know the nuances. You don't need to know the fine details.

(24:31):
You can just look at it and it is completely
obvious to the untrained eye. Indiana is so much better
than Alabama. It's almost shocking. Like I was watching the
game going you know what reminded me of It reminded
me of when SEC teams in the early two thousands

(24:52):
or mid two thousands were playing other teams like that's
it like, it's almost like roles reversed, like those old
Florida teams with Mired, Like it was like roles reversed
to where you're watching and it looks like two different
levels of football.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
I am look, I'm still shocked. I still keep thinking
that I'm like a sleep and I'm dreaming and I'm
watching a team that I mean, if you go back
to the Big Ten Championship, we always get these notes
before some of these games, and I believe Indiana was
the second most losing program in college football history, and

(25:31):
I keep taking that into account. I remember, like looking
at some of the notes of how Ohio State has
like the second most wins something like that, and the
difference between Ohio State and their program history of wins
and Indiana, that difference I think equated to we're almost
equated to the amount of wins that Indiana has that
in school history. So when we talk about what Kurt Signetti,

(25:56):
Fernando Mendoza, the staff, the players, everyone involved, when we
talk about what they've done, not only last year, because
last year was kind of that moment where you're like, okay,
it feels like that Cinderella story, you know, where you're
dreaming and you're like, are you gonna wake up? As
this dream ever gonna good end? This year solidified the
foundation of what they did last year and what they're

(26:16):
doing this year. To me, it's the greatest turnaround in
sports history. Like I can't think of some people talked
about Kansas State. This is way beyond that. You throw
me out a professional sports franchise. That's a bigger turnaround
a team that was largely viewed as a doormat. I mean,

(26:39):
I can't tell you. I visited there back when I
was in high school. A buddy, Adam Cadello, who's a linebacker,
who was looking to go there too, and we kind
of went on the visit and coach Donardo was there.
I loved Coach DeNardo is running a West Coast system.
But you got there and you looked at the home stadium,
you looked at facilities, and you're like, this is not
a football school. This is a basketball school. Man Like

(27:00):
coming off obviously on Bobby Knight and that you know,
growing up watching him when I was young being a
basketball player, I can't I still can't fathom what they've accomplished.
And what sticks out the most to me, Jonas is
being at the Big Ten championship game and big around
this team. When you see them up close, you know
they don't It looks like David and Goliath. Like I

(27:23):
know that reference gets thrown around a bunch, but when
you look at the sheer size of the players on
Indiana versus the Ohio States, the Alabama's the name you're
in Oregon for example, who they beat earlier this season.
When you look at them on the field versus one another,
you're going, yeah, I don't think they're gonna match up,

(27:46):
but they overcome that with the way they play as
a team. They seldom, if ever make mistakes. They're one
of the best technical teams you will ever find. I
think what stands out to me the most, too, is
even when they're putting positions where they have to win
a one one battle, they're either winning that one on
one matchup, I don't care if it's on the offensive line,
at wide receiver, at dB, or to stalemate. Like they

(28:09):
don't really lose, Like they just don't do the things
that other teams do that end up losing them football games.
And it's incredible to watch how they time and time
again end up being the more physical team end up
being the better team. And look, I was wrong. I
said I thought Bamba could keep it closed. I didn't
think they were gonna win necessarily because I don't think
I don't think BAM would even deserve to be in

(28:29):
the playoff for that matter. But that's another conversation. But
just from being down there and seeing those players, it's
incredible when you look at what the Upper against every week,
and it'll be that way again as they have a
rematch now versus Oregon again they will be outmatched by
as far as the eye test, the you know, looking
at both teams on the field before the game, but

(28:51):
they have constantly overachieved and this is a damn good
football team.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
The hit on Tys Simpson where he was scrambling, which
was kind of a key moment in the game beause
he was going to pick up a first down. I
think it was ten to nothing at that point, and
it was like, all right, if they could get down
and get a score. You know, they get it to
one score and then you know there's some you know,
they start to feel good about things, and he just
gets lit and fumbles the ball and you just see
the look on his face and it looked like all

(29:18):
that's that's just a different level, Like they're playing. Indiana's
playing at a different level than we've seen before, and
it should I just come away from that, yeah, really impressed,
but shocked to see Alabama. I think the stat was
it's the first time Alabama's been held without a touchdown

(29:40):
in a bowl game since nineteen sixty. I mean, they
got clowned that wasn't closed yesterday, and Indiana just did
whatever they wanted to just whatever they wanted to all
game long, totally exposed him. It was really really impressive.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
And look, you know, I think we can be critical
of some of Alabama. For example, I think on a
fourth and one running like a jet sweep, it's like, dude,
you're Alabama, Like you can't run the football like downhill
versus a team that you've got a i mean decisive
size advantage over on both sides of the ball. I mean,
I do feel like Ryan Grubb just gets too cute

(30:16):
sometimes with some of the things he does. And it
again credit to Indiana, you know, defensively, and we've talked
about this before and obviously Levar's not here today working
with us, but they do something that's like somewhat unique.
You don't hear you know, usually pre snap, a lot
of defensive players are assigned to a gap. They allowed
their defensive front to basically penetrate, you know, get upfield penetrate,

(30:37):
and they allow the backers to fit off of that.
And there's elements of that that take place on every level.
But when you watch them, it's so fluid. They never
feel like they're out of position, they never feel like
they're out of a gap, and they just work together.
They do all those little things that like you hear
in your top. And again, credit to Kurt Signetti and

(30:58):
credit to the staff. You know, his staff has been
with him for such a long period of time that
it just it feels like they have a sense in
every phase of how they want to play the game together,
Like the offense, defense, especially tams all working in unison.
And then they have a quarterback who you know, is
as efficient, is as accurate, is as tough and gritty

(31:22):
at times. I mean, Fernando Mendoz is not one of
the better athletes that's gonna be on the field, but
he finds a way to use his legs to extend
plays when something's not there. He finds a way of
you know, not creating a disaster of a play. He
gets upfield, he gets what he can it's positive yardage
or back to the line of scrimmage. You know, he
throws the football away. I just the entire group is

(31:44):
so impressive. And you know, of all the teams that
you look at and say, well everyone else, you know,
they they got to buy couldn't figure it out in
that quarterfinal round. Not the case for Indiana, Huh, Like
they're taking every narrative and they're throwing it out the window.
And I think the spin off of this conversation is

(32:07):
they're doing this at Indiana. This isn't a blue blood
like this is a program that again has been a
doormat in college football with a few exceptions throughout its
history besides the past two years since Kurt Signetty got there,
and they've turned it around to this and we can
look at other examples. We can look at Vanderbilt right

(32:28):
like we can. We can start saying, hey, there's as
much parity in college football as ever because of the
transfer portal, and now that's the level of the playing
field because of NIL and how some institutions and some
programs have been able to benefit from that and help
them to create, you know, more Perry and their roster
and some of their their top line players. That's part
of it too, But it puts a lot of other

(32:48):
coaches on notice, like if those if those programs have
the money to buy out those coaches, he'll do it.
And those guys are feeling they're feeling like they're on
the hot seat right now. And the programs that aren't
buying those coaches out probably because they don't have the money.
That's a tough spot to be in. But Indiana doing
what they've done to me, I don't know if you

(33:10):
agree with this, but I think it's the greatest turnaround
in sports, like not just college football, in sports, with
what they've been able to do thus far. And if
if they wouldn't all it only adds to it. But
even just getting to this point, it's incredible now.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Kurt Signetti afterwards was on with Rhees Davis on the
stage after the Rose Bowl and you know, was asked
about the movie Hoo's Yours, but he made sure to
let people know there's a rallying cry there in Bloomington.
Who would start turk Signetti in the movie.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
I don't know about that one, But there'd been a lot.

Speaker 8 (33:46):
There'd been a big chest to characters because it's all
about people. You gotta have the right people on your staff,
the right guys in the locker room. And we've been
very fortunate and these guys buy in. They all think alike,
they play like we want them to play. There's been
a lot of first it is kind of surreal, there's
no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I understand why there's.

Speaker 8 (34:04):
Been a lot of skeptics, but I only have one
thing to say, perfectly.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Said, perfect gratulations.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Champ Man. I'm telling and I don't say this much.
I was obviously down at the Orange Bowl yesterday and
there before the Oregon Texas Tech game, and there was
Indiana fans there, Like there was people who dressed up
New Year's that are celebrating it in South Florida and
just wanted to come to the game. And I guess
they're just waiting to keep moving along with Indiana as
they go through the playoff. But they have a fan

(34:39):
base that is crazy about what this team has accomplished.
And there's that saying like, act like you've been there before. Well, look,
let's give Indiana fans, uh, you know, a little room
for air here because they have like this is a first.
They've never been here before, so they don't know how
to act about it. So I'm okay with them wild'ing
out right now. When you see those Indiana fans who
are excited about what their team's done. Look, I know

(35:00):
it's it's way too early to start talking dynasties and
all that stuff with the the end they haven't won
one yet, but I'm just saying in the sense of
because you pointed out, you know, we're getting to like
they've never done anything close to this before, like when
we grew up, you know, the Jordan Bulls. You know,
that was like the team, Like everybody loved the Jordan Bulls,
but there was a long time before that where they

(35:21):
were awful, like like they were, and so it's hard
to imagine in the moment like oh really the but
you we were sort of there in the embryotic stages
of them developing into this great team and and and
all of a sudden, the history of the team completely changed.
And it almost feels like we're getting to live in
the moment of the beginning stages of maybe another powerhouse.

(35:45):
And it's kind of cool to watch because, yeah, the
history of it, they've been so bad for some like
the were so bad for so long, and yet here
they are and it's two years in a row and
they're dominating great programs like Alabama. I think it's a
cool opportunity to see something from the beginning stages because look,
there's a lot of you know, and you mentioned and

(36:06):
I've talked about this before when you walk through the
you know, the Boston. It was at Logan Airport in Boston.
They've got all the championship flags there. You're in laws.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
But there was a long time before the Patriots went
on that dynasty. They were terrible, terrible, Like a lot
of Patriots fans remember that. And there's a you know,
a group of Patriots fans now that look around and go,
all I know, for the most part is success, and
they're back and maybe potentially going to make a deep
run and maybe have the MVP of the league this year.
I think Indiana is in the beginning stages of all this,

(36:36):
and I think it's really cool to watch because we'll
be able to if this goes the way that it's
gone the first two years with Signetti, we'll be able
to tell people years down the road, oh, you guys
have no idea what this was like beforehand, Like enjoy it. Yeah,
they're popping up left and right. And maybe there's some
in CTI fans that are that are jumping around and
you know, bringing out all their old Indiana stuff. But

(36:58):
I just think it illustrate rates how desolate things were
there for Indiana for so long, to where yeah, it
was a basketball school and Kurt Signetti's got him rolling. Man,
It's fine.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Well, and that's where even like because I was talking
with my in laws about this, because I said, you know,
even before the Patriots went on the round with the Belichick,
like they'd been to a super Bowl with Parcels and
what Tony Easton at quarterback, you know, they experienced like
some level of getting to the championship before, like really
the greatness occurred there. There's nothing like this, No, like
there's been nothing. I mean, Tom Allen had a nine

(37:31):
to ten one year whatever it was or somewhere in
that ballpark. We was competitive in Indiana and hell it
might have been that shit in the COVID year now
that I think about it, when Michael Pennix was there
and they kind of competed within the big ten. But
they've never really been able to replicate anything of what
they've done these past two years. It's why I keep
kind of going back to I can't think of another

(37:53):
really program that has struggled to the degree that Indiana
has and has now done this. And I think, look again,
and we're only at the semi final portion of the
of the playoff or the tournament. But the hard thing
is they're gonna have to start over again at quarterback.
Now his brother, Fernando's brother, Alberto I believe is his
first name. He's there as the backup. So I would

(38:15):
assume that might be a guy that looking at or
maybe Signetti wants to go back to the Portal again
because they've they've kind of lived off of two things,
and that's some of the players he brought from James
Madison with him, but also from Portal players that he's
you know, has transferred in very similar to Fernanda Mendoza
coming from cal So, you know, in one way, that's
one of the things that's allowed them to be able

(38:37):
to go on this run and build their roster the
way they have, and the other, you know, part of
that is there's gonna be times where you miss. And
so that's why when you talk about even like mentioning dynasty,
like dude, this is so hard to do, and especially
the way they have done it in some ways early on,
because there's so much roster turnover and there will be
like this is a team that has players are gonna

(38:58):
get drafted, like there will be the most player from
this roster drafted in Indiana history. And I don't know
that it's gonna be close. So replacing Mendoza, replacing some
of these players, you're going to lose, and then trying
to come back and do it again. That's the tough part.
But it feels like Signetti has And when you talk
to his staff and you talk to like what would

(39:20):
be the equivalent of their front office folks in their
scouting department, you know those guys say, you know, he
sits down with all these players and he's very very
diligent with how he does film and always cut ups
and different things he does. He's like, so he sees
the player, he knows the player, what they're capable of.
But the secret is he talks to them and he

(39:41):
interviews them, and from that singular meeting, when they walk
out of the room their scouting department, he'll kind of
give a nod of yes or no. And to the
point of what he said postgame about all these guys
buying in, all these guys are on the same page.
There is some conversation that occurs, and whatever is said

(40:04):
back to him, he's able to discern whether or not
that person is the right fit. Wow, And I think
that's one of the biggest things that stands out to
me about just what they've accomplished is, Dude, it's a
bunch of I don't want to say castaways or misfits
as they've described themselves, but I look at a guy
like Pat Coogan. He was at Notre Dame. He was

(40:26):
there somewhat in a backup role, but then he got
thrust it into a starting role. Was phenomenal at Notre Dame.
But he's not there anymore, in part because he wasn't
going to start this upcoming season, so he transfers to
Indiana and now he's a part of the team that's
playing in the semi final, potentially for a national championship.
And you look at like a player like that, for example,
he obviously has a certain makeup, of a certain building

(40:46):
and a huge chip on his shoulder. And I think
that's what Kurt Signetti has really found in a lot
of these players, is at one point they were told
they weren't big enough, they weren't fast enough, they weren't
good enough, they weren't smart enough. And he's found an
edge and he's found a way to use them in
the right way where they fit. And I think it's
a lesson for like dude life or like a lot

(41:06):
of people maybe might be listening who are in a
job that they're not they don't feel appreciated in, or
they'll feel like they're maximized in. Like man, you can
be passionate as you want about something, but you also
have to be in the right place and the right
fit for what that place is looking for. And that's
one where Indiana's like the case study for that right now,
because it feels like every single person that walks in

(41:26):
that program and he brings on his team and he
decides to coach and develop, it just seems like the
right fit and they're fit for one another.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
If you go to Sports Reference and you just look
up Indiana, just look up the school history. God, they've
had some bad years. Whoa like these and you pointed
this out it's the first time. The first time they
ever won double digit games in a season was last year.
Like just it's crazy in the history of the program.
And it's not like they just got here, you know,
twenty minutes ago, or it's uk that's been.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Around football for a long time. Stadium the other statement.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Looks like it one hundred and twenty seven years of
Indiana football and we're finally here, so so good for them.
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Do we have Albert with us?

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Do we have him?

Speaker 6 (45:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (45:18):
I uh yeah, what truth? I don't know what truth
there is to hash out here.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
I think we all saw what happened the other night.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
So I hey, Albert, at what point did you start
betting the elbow after watching that performance?

Speaker 6 (45:35):
That was a tough one. Bra I will say, I
can't see accused of about being the mush because.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
I was not in the building for that one.

Speaker 6 (45:43):
But uh yeah, I was.

Speaker 9 (45:44):
A rough first half and you know, we couldn't get
it going quite enough and speed it up quite enough
there in the second half. So I mean credit to Miami.
Like those those monsters they have up front on either
his side, you know, had their way when they need to.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
That's the way early in the game.

Speaker 6 (46:01):
And you know, we got control for a little while,
and then at the end of the game they wind up,
you know, finding.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Sort of their second win and that was that.

Speaker 9 (46:10):
So yeah, it's pretty wild. But I'm not I'm not
the only one on here with an Alma miner who
lost to Miami this year.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Right, Oh geez, that's right. Over the differences, some of
us think that maybe notre names should have been in
the playoff because they would have performed better than Ohio State.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Okay, Okay, well, I mean like everybody's got.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
To I mean, we did see both teams playoff are
just having to be in their home stadium week one,
and it was a pretty tight game for a team
that presumably got betters this season went on. I guess
that's the That's where I'll go with you next, is
what happened to Ohio State since their win over Michigan.
I feel like offensively just they never really could figure
it out running the football, but also just the pass
game too really struggled.

Speaker 9 (46:49):
Yeah, I'd say, like there's a million things that were
kind of going through my head on that. I mean,
I think like the offensive line, they were managing an
issue at right guard I think all year and you know,
I don't know how much they were challenged in that area,
but it really blew up on them, you know, early
in this game.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
And you know, then I think the left tackle, you know,
from what I understand, was hurt, but like I don't
think he's playing very well anyway. And so then they
go they go to backups to both those spots in
the second half, which is I think it is go'd
be extremely.

Speaker 9 (47:19):
Rare to change out two offensive linemen in that sort
of game at halftime and it's stabilized. I honestly think Brady, like,
I think, what when you look back at last year, right,
and how they went from this slow moving offense into
like this breakneck attack at all angles forced them to

(47:40):
defend every blade of grass type offense in the playoffs, you.

Speaker 6 (47:44):
Know, Like I think we all kind of had in
her head that they.

Speaker 9 (47:46):
Were going to be able to flip that switch again,
and then they fall behind these games and she said
they didn't.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Have it, you know.

Speaker 9 (47:52):
I mean I would say this, like even in the
third quarter, right, like that first drive, they marched down
the field and score, But the whole time, I'm.

Speaker 6 (48:00):
Thinking to myself, why are they going so slow?

Speaker 9 (48:03):
You know what, I mean, they're down two scores? Like
why why aren't you.

Speaker 6 (48:06):
Picking up the pace a little?

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Like don't you want to maximize the amount of times
that you're going to have the ball here? And maybe
it was.

Speaker 6 (48:12):
To give their defense a blow or take some snaps
off of them.

Speaker 9 (48:15):
I don't know, but you know, I just didn't look
like that gear that they had last year existed the
same way I think the defense is mostly final.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Though give Miami's offensive line credit.

Speaker 9 (48:25):
Like they got them in second and six and third
and two a lot.

Speaker 6 (48:29):
You know, and as you know better than me, like
that can be.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
That can be the ballgame, and I think it kind
of was.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
The other night, all right, So this does put to
test the theory. And we're talking about this and the
feeling last year you didn't beat Michigan, but you won
the national team.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
I have thought about this before.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
We're going, Okay, so which which postseason feels better for you?
This year or last year?

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Last year? Any won the Natty?

Speaker 6 (48:59):
I mean, like I've heard that question before. It sucks
that the you know, losing to Michigan. I'm not gonna
lie about that.

Speaker 9 (49:05):
Brady saw me suffer through that live and in living color.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
But I actually drew attention to you suffering.

Speaker 9 (49:13):
Yeah, yeah, Brady, Brady. Brady, Brady made my suffering a
national story. So I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Brady, Yeah, I missed that similar to someone, but I
didn't point out to your section too, that you're the
bad you're the most you're the bad luck, which most
people started to turn on you. There are some different
epithets and things thrown out your way. I wasn't.

Speaker 9 (49:30):
I can't, but yeah, I mean Brady Brady may or
may not have gotten one of the professor the professional
photographers that Fox employees to take a picture of me.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (49:42):
I may or may not have happened, but uh but
but yeah, like I I uh, I like that was
honestly like I as much as that sucks, like the
run of the championship was incredible last year, and I
loved the rivalry. It's you know, I've got family on
on the other side of it. I got a lot

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of friends.

Speaker 6 (50:02):
On both sides of it, and it's is like one
of the most.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Important days of the year is childs Is that sounds
for me?

Speaker 6 (50:11):
So I uh, you know, I I respect.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
The rivalry like you wouldn't believe.

Speaker 9 (50:16):
But you know, I would take the Natty over beating
Michigan for sure, and I'm sure it will be the
same thing for them.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
You know, Albert, have you seen a We're catching up
with Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at
the m m QB here on Fox Sports Radio, But
have you seen an NFL comp to what is happening
in Indiana.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
That's a good question.

Speaker 6 (50:44):
Like maybe the Rams with McVeigh.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Would that be the closest one?

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Like a five hundred team though when Fish was there.

Speaker 9 (50:52):
Yeah, the last by the way, they had had.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
The greatest show on turf in their history.

Speaker 6 (51:00):
Yeah, God, like who would that be?

Speaker 3 (51:04):
I don't think there is one.

Speaker 9 (51:05):
Jackie Parcels Barcells brought the Patriots to respectability before Belichick
was there.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
I don't think there is one.

Speaker 6 (51:14):
Mcvay's have one to popped in my head. I mean
McVay popped in my head just because they were so bad, you.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Know what I mean, like.

Speaker 9 (51:22):
The year like like the year before he got there,
like they really kind of collapsed. But I mean Brady's
right like they were. They were close to five hundred
with Jeff Fisher and you know, like I think turning
around golf was eye opening because golf was not good
as a rookie, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Like, so you have that maybe the Lions, the Lions
would be the closest thing.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
I think that's probably fair. The Lions thing.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Browns fans would have something to say. The difference is
the Browns before the merger and like deep into the
history of their organization have had success. It's just been
a long time, like and no point has Indiana ever
had success play football, at least not to the magnitu
these two years.

Speaker 9 (52:03):
Right, I mean, and that's the thing, like college versus
pro Like, that's sort of the difference, like is that
you don't have Like it's because like college is sort
of set up for there to be established towers and
then they're to be teams they are for there to
be teams that are sort of in the bottom half
of their conference perpetually, Like the NFL has set up
the you know, for the best teams to rise to

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the top, the worst team so eventually rise back to
the top, and then for the best teams to come
back to earth.

Speaker 6 (52:32):
So I can't think of one. I mean, What'sittingett.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
He's done.

Speaker 6 (52:35):
I said this on Twitter yesterday. It is the best
coaching I think.

Speaker 9 (52:41):
Maybe the best person you have I've ever seen any
sport in my lifetime.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yeah, and that's literally what I said earlier today, Like,
I can't think of another example, and I'm sure someone
else might have one out there, so tweeted us or something.
But I want to transition the NFL U what is
there all this to do with Lamar Jackson and every
thing else? Like he's going to play in this game.
There as a speculation that he wouldn't. I mean, Harball's
had to kind of talk about it. It's become a

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story because the story was put out there, Like what
do you make of all this?

Speaker 6 (53:12):
I think it's like, you know, I think this is
sort of an insight baseball thing, Brady. But you know,
I would say like this has sort.

Speaker 9 (53:19):
Of been like the the awkwardness of the whole relationship
going back to the first contract negotiation, and I think
so much of it stems from him not having an agent,
because it doesn't just you have to follow me here.
But it doesn't just affect the contract. It can make
things awkward with the contract because you've got to say
things in contract negotiations that wind up affecting things big

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picture wise.

Speaker 6 (53:42):
I think John Harvey has always been able to navigate
that time.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
You know.

Speaker 6 (53:46):
I think one of the things that that that that
that it does seem to like create like and has
created over the years, is when this guy is hurt,
there there really isn't like someone out there giving clarity
explaining where he's at and you know, like that's a
part of like all of this that happens with most players.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
As I'm sure you guys.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
Know, there's like ninety percent.

Speaker 9 (54:10):
Of the time when you're seeing detailed injury information get
out there, it's coming by the agent.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Well why would the agent do that?

Speaker 9 (54:17):
The agent would do that, So everyone knows that, Like, look,
my guy's trying to be out there, wants to be
out there. Here's what he's dealing with, Here's what he's
had to deal with. Like this isn't you know, it's
protecting the reputation of the player.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
And Lamar hasn't really.

Speaker 9 (54:31):
Had somebody to do that, and I don't think because
of who he is, like like he doesn't care what
people think, so he isn't doing that publicly.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
And so if you noticed earlier in the week, but
John Harbulgy more detailed injury information on Lamar than I've
ever heard him give on anybody, you know, in eighteen
years of covering him as a head coach, you know.
And so I think that that was sort of an
all apprentich to Lamar.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
But certainly these are all.

Speaker 9 (54:55):
Questions, you know, like his his you know, his injury history,
you know is is now relatively sensitive.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
His workload is historic.

Speaker 9 (55:04):
No quarterback has ever taken on a sort of workload
that he has in the run game.

Speaker 6 (55:09):
And you know, if every time he gets hurt, now,
the bigger picture questions.

Speaker 9 (55:13):
Are going to be answered, going to be asked about,
like is this where he breaks down? And that's gonna,
you know, you know, sensibly affect the way that you
handle content negotiations if you're the Ravens. So I don't
think there's anything nefarious here. I think it's more just
the awkward, unique setup of how things have been there
and how things are and they've been able to navigate

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it for so many years. I think he'll play on Sunday.
I think he'll play well on Sunday. But you know,
those big picture questions, I think.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
It still exist.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Albert who if anybody is coaching for their job this
weekend in the NFL to where look, I mean Arthur
Smith was.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
In here, go one way or the other?

Speaker 2 (55:51):
You yeah, because I remember back to Arthur Smith with
the Falcons and it was like it seemed like he
was safe and then the final two weeks of the
season it just fell hard and they ended up moving
on but you look at this week, Judge would be another.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
One YoY right giants all right?

Speaker 9 (56:08):
So, like I think Miami's a coin toss right now,
I would say, have a list in front of me
so I can take it through home.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
But Miami, I think is a coin toss right now.

Speaker 9 (56:16):
They've brought in Troy to consult with them, and you know,
I do think that the ownership there really likes Mike
McDaniel and wants to go forward with Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
But a lot of that's going to kind of depend
on how they are coming out, how they are coming
out of the season.

Speaker 9 (56:30):
When they do a full assessment Cleveland, I'd expect that
they're going to sit down Sunday night Monday to hash
all of that out where they're at. You know, I
know they've discussed the restructure. I don't know how likely
that is, you know. And then I think that there's
probably a two way conversation that with Kevin Stefanski on
his appetite to keep going Indianapolis has come up the
last couple of weeks. I don't know that they'll make change,

(56:51):
but they are a little bit of a wild card
because je Mercedes daughter is now in charge and so
she doesn't really have track director yet one way or
the other.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
So we'll see where that goes. Vegas.

Speaker 9 (57:03):
I think the Raiders will make a change, and I
think Pete Carroll will be gone, and I think you
hear a lot about Tom Brady's involvement in the organization
going forward from here.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
You know, Atlanta like they've won a bunch of games
in a row. Now what do they do?

Speaker 9 (57:16):
I think that's a you know, an open question now.
And I think Raheem Moore has helped himself the last
few weeks, but they have a consulting firm in there.
Matt Ryan is going to be involved.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
At some level.

Speaker 6 (57:27):
I've heard it could be like a Chris Steelman type
of role. And I think there'll be some level of change.
But I think Raheem has.

Speaker 9 (57:32):
Got a better shot now or to survive potentially than
the general manager there, Terry Fontina has. And I think
Arizona will have some change as well, but I don't
think it'll be total change. So could I see like
the GM staying and the head coach going possibly. I
know they like both guys, you know, if they try
to push change on Jonathan Gannon will gann and go down.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
With the ship.

Speaker 9 (57:52):
I think those are some questions you can ask there
and then you know, get in Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
Like those situations. I think at least their.

Speaker 9 (57:59):
Watch you know, could Mike, tom and walk Away do
TV for a year. Buffalo has an early Axit has
that affect things. I think those are those are situations
where I'll be watching as well. Camp is another one
where I think Tampa's you know, I don't think they're
out of the woods.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
That they lose tomorrow. It'll be interesting to see the
way that they handle all that.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yeah, the NFC South, the gift that just keeps on
giving a team can be what won in their last
eight games they've played, I think they've won once and
they're still in the hunt for the playoffs in the division.
I want to ask you, if you had an m
DP vote today, who would be for.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
So I do have one, which means I can't tell you.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I know, I just tell us who he plays for.

Speaker 9 (58:41):
Yeah, well, if I gave you the conference, that would
give it away. I think at this point, right, I think,
I honestly think like I think Drake, let me.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
This your votes down to two guys. Is it fair
to say that.

Speaker 6 (58:55):
I would be going to the final weekend you did?

Speaker 9 (58:57):
If you're speaking conceptually, like I think that there are
two front runners.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Yeah, and then let's just kind of pick around on
the littleness. Do you uh you know, are you more
impressed by someone who's doing it at an older age
or a younger age?

Speaker 4 (59:12):
I'm kind of neutral on that.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Okay's well, what about a guy who uh you know
plays in what could perceive to be a tougher division.

Speaker 6 (59:23):
I mean, I think that that's all a matter of opinion, right,
isn't it?

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Like we know, it's factual. The NFC West is much
tougher than the AFC.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I was I was going to go I was going
to go Ohio State alum. So I was thinking Jackson
Smith and Jigba and Justin Fields, like I wasn't sure
if those were the two. Yeah, I don't know like that.
I was just thinking Ohio State guys.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (59:42):
I actolutely think a number of guys have it, like
I think beyond the two obvious ones, I do think
like a number of guys have a case like I. Okay,
Christ McCaffrey, Allen, Josh All Josh Allenson, a lot, Christian McCaffrey's,
and a lot justin Herbert As.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
I mean, Jeohn Robinson should be a part of it
if you just live with the stats.

Speaker 9 (01:00:00):
John Robinson's had a dynam my year. Now, do you
give it to a running back who's going to miss
the playoffs?

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Probably not right, No, But like I don't know that
that's the way we should be looking at it. But yeah,
I realized that's part of the equation.

Speaker 9 (01:00:14):
Yeah, yeah, I mean mc daffrey's got a good case.
Like you look at McCaffrey like he's the one constant, right,
Like so like Days had to play without Frederick Warner
and Nick Bosa for most.

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
Of the year, they were without brock Party for a
chunk of the year, they were without you know, they
were without Deebo Samuel this year, without Brandon Ayuk this year.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
That's the top two receivers from last year. Kittle, this's
a lot of time.

Speaker 9 (01:00:38):
Like, but Jaffrey's case to me is pretty good based
on just the amount of moving parts around him and
how they won twelve games, and.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
He's the one constant.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
And Albert jonas Is pointed this out, especially not getting
distracted with off the field stuff. You know when you
think about what he goes onto every.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Time listen Christmas, every single day of the year, you
know what I mean. Like, I'm just saying, man, certain
people got it and certain people don't.

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
I did want to ask that you've got something Instagram God.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Some deep digging. I mean, You've never seen so much
preparation put into this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Hey Albert, Hey Albert, I've got the the All twenty
two if you need it, So I'll just anytime you
want to just let me know. I what's gonna I
wasn't gonna ask you this though. The hell's going on
with Max Crosby. I mean, this is the like, this
is so blatant and at is the NFL gonna step

(01:01:33):
in or are they gonna be like, what are you doing?
The guy wants to play? Or is this just he's
being vocal and he is more banged up than he
has to acknowledge. And and that's where we're at with this.

Speaker 9 (01:01:43):
I mean, I think for Max is the pride thing,
you know, Like I think you know it's it's tough man.
Like he has been on team hasn't been very good.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
He's made the playoffs once since he came into the
league in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
This is his seventh year. He's twenty eight years old.
They haven't been in intention much and so what does
he have, Like, you know, he watched the.

Speaker 9 (01:02:03):
Show that he can play full seasons and still be
the same guy and you know, sack totals and Defensive
Player of the Year runs and all that different stuff.
It's like sort of what he's left to play for,
you know. And I don't think that he liked having
a decision taken out of his hand that said, this
is something that he's dealt with since October, you know,
and it's gotten worse over the course of time. There

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was never any dispute that he was going to need
surgery to fix it at some point, and he will
need surgery to fix it after the season, which you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Know he'll now have.

Speaker 9 (01:02:37):
And basically what happened was they felt like his player
fell off the last few weeks. So on Tuesday of
last week, they took they had him coming and do
a scan.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
They felt like at that.

Speaker 9 (01:02:47):
Point that the damage was significant enough they told him
that they were going to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
Shut him down.

Speaker 9 (01:02:53):
He went and got second opinions from two outside doctors
who are really respected guys.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Both said that if he could.

Speaker 6 (01:02:59):
Manage the pain, that he can go ahead.

Speaker 9 (01:03:01):
And play, and so that's where the disagreement was, you know,
And I know, like listen, like he's suspicious of like
what's going on here too.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (01:03:10):
Like, so it's not just us, Like I think he
has his desicions over over the.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Reason for sitting down, but you know, clearly, I.

Speaker 9 (01:03:17):
Think it's like kind of created a little bit of
a divide between between Max and the organization, between Max
and potentially Tom Brady. And this to me is as
close as we've come to MaTx potentially asking for a
trade that hasn't happened yet, but I think it's certainly.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Something that will be keeping an eye on in February
and March.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
I don't know. Tom Brady is a pretty persuasive guy,
so I'm sure he's don't talk to him to calm
down some of that. Speaking of just another player, maybe
there's something going on with the organization. Joe Burrow, we've
heard him talk about Miles Garrett the sack record to
be sacked or to not be sacked. That's not really
where I want to go with this, though, because he's
talked about the Bengals playoffs rout, He's talked about things

(01:03:58):
needing to change. I mean, it feels like it's been
a long, longest season for Bengals fans, considering at one
point Joe Flacco was their starter who actually started the
season in Cleveland. Like, it's just been a lot Bengals fans,
but for Joe Burrow too, anything to keep an eye
on the off seasons. We approached their last game of
the season.

Speaker 9 (01:04:14):
Yeah, I don't think he's there yet, you know, but
I think we're I think everybody's at the radar up
for you know, eventually something because I looked like cold
just become Matthew.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Stafford in Detroit.

Speaker 9 (01:04:24):
The Bengals themselves have history with something like that with
Carson Palmer.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
What was it in twenty ten?

Speaker 6 (01:04:29):
I think so, like I think, you know, like this
is I think it's good.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
I think it's fine now.

Speaker 9 (01:04:36):
I think, you know, for twenty twenty six, he'll be
locked in, you know, but that's not a forever thing,
you know what I mean, Like they you know, he wants,
he badly wants to compete for championships. He was in
the AFT title game after a second year, after a
third year, made a super Bowl, And you know, I
think he understands and appreciates the fact that he'll be

(01:04:59):
judged strong wins and losses as a quarterback, you know so,
And that's why I think he's taking such an active
role in trying to be a change agent in the organization.

Speaker 6 (01:05:07):
I mean, i'd say, even.

Speaker 9 (01:05:08):
Like the little things like getting an indoor facility built,
which was a little bit absurd that they didn't have one,
But getting an indoor facility built, if Cincinnati was was
part partly because of his presence and the pressure that
he put on them to modernize, thinks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
But I know, I wish you understood how many times
I've called the organization cheap and Bengals fans are irate
with me, and I'm like, dude, you didn't even fly
in some of your former greats for somebody's like ring
of honor inductions, like you're you're mad at me for
telling the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Like I'm sorry, by the way, Albert, is it true
that Joe Burrows the reason they have running water too
in the building or.

Speaker 6 (01:05:45):
Well he had helped them he I mean, look, but
he did push to have ja Marches.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
Extended, Adabte Higgins.

Speaker 9 (01:05:51):
Extended adabt Trey Hendrix his contract address, like pushed for
all those things.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
They've got a bunt.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
They don't have an indoor. They have a bubble. There's
a difference between them.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Yeah, that's true. They have a bubble.

Speaker 6 (01:06:06):
Bubble.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
If I could pop it with the rusty nail, I
don't know if it counts as like big movement in
that regard, all right, Like Jonas and I can go
buy a tent Dick sport Goods right there on the side.

Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
I mean that is true, Jonahs.

Speaker 9 (01:06:22):
The reality they have a they have a bubble like
your your your local health pub.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
You know what I mean. I I uh, you know,
but I and.

Speaker 9 (01:06:33):
I've heard all the stories that Brady has, like I go,
it's gotten better.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
I mean back in the day.

Speaker 9 (01:06:39):
I remember, God, I remember going up from Chad Johnson
when he got to New England in the locker room
and I was, you know, I was, you know, talking
with him and everything, and I said, like, hey's the
thing about the gatorade true in Cincinnati?

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
Anything you know about that?

Speaker 6 (01:06:54):
And the story I had heard was that they don't
like they actually have the gatorade next there they did
to have like the actual gate.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
You know, like the counter. So that's that's that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Hey, when they're out, what do they do? They used
tang or is it cool? Aid? What do they do?
What's the option be?

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
By the way, Albert, I believe Palmer made it seven
years in Cincinnati before he kind of forced his way
out to Oakland. And I think, is Joe is he
going to the year six or is he finished year six?

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
For him?

Speaker 9 (01:07:30):
I think Palmer, Yeah, I think you're right because when
you were tired and yeah, because he made it through
a nine and then retired after a nine and I
think in ten, if I remember, that.

Speaker 6 (01:07:40):
Was when the Raiders trade no no.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Or was it eleven?

Speaker 6 (01:07:45):
It was?

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
I think you're when the Raiders traded for him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah, that's unfortunate. Well, hey, you know you got Joe Burrow.
Maybe it'll be around, uh you know for I.

Speaker 9 (01:07:55):
Mean, I mean a big, a fake, a fake resirement
is a pretty pretty plastic measure.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Think it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Powdered gatorade powdered.

Speaker 6 (01:08:07):
Oh wait, so he wasn't the Bengals and he did
play for the Bengals in ten. Okay, so it was
a lockout.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
When he retired, I.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Was off here.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
So he played eight years in Cincinnati.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
So the cost the coast second.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Yeah, well maybe we appreciate it as always. Enjoy the
games this weekend, and we'll do it again next week.
All right, there is Happy year, Happy New Year to you, uh,
Senior lead content Strategy. I told you that was it?
Like that? That was it after that, It's just you know,

(01:08:40):
we're running at the score feels like h. You can
get him on X by the way, at Albert Breer. H.
If you know, you've got any thoughts that you want to,
you know, express to Albert there on social media, you can.
But I do know this, man, and it's but you
especially if all people know this, Brady, because sometimes it's
real rough. When you try and wipe with a piece
of dry toilet paper, you probably wondering, is this as

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Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
It's not.

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