May 3, 2025 • 56 mins
This week on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox and Brady Quinn celebrate the success that was the Draft in Green Bay. The Shedeur slide comes down to how he handled interviews but how in the world can the Browns manage the QB room? The Old P, Petros Papadakis talks about the circus that is the NFL Draft and who the Lakers will blame when they get eliminated. Plus, Horse Name or Horse Crap!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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it'll be BQ and I taking you all the way
up until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. How
about that NFL draft in Green Bay?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
How about it?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Awesome?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Put on a.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah for a draft that outside of Shador Sanders, which
you know he delivered, he delivered, But outside of Shador Sanders,
it didn't seem like there was a lot of drama.
The ratings were there and Green Bay showed up. That
was such an unbelievable scene in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Kudos
(01:33):
to all the fans that went out there, the Packers fans,
Everett involved with the Packers organization. That looked awesome. That
looked like the place to be for the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Draft at Mark Murphy said, I think a week ago
the expectation was two hundred and fifty thousand people were
going to be in attendance over the course of the weekend,
and the NFL announced, well a little more than that.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
At six hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So that's got to be great for the businesses there,
the local me they put out, Man, that was awesome.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
You know what's incredible to watch, And and we'll get
to the topic that everyone wants to talk about. But
mel Kuiper has found himself kind of embroiled in this
topic that everyone wants to talk about. Shador Sanders has
drop to the fifth round. But if you go back
(02:24):
and watch one of the first times, like mel Kuiper
really made a name for himself in talking about the
Colts organization and hammering their general manager I believe it
was at the time. Oh yeah, just go back and
look at the scene of that room and and how
the draft was conducted back then. Which I mean it's not.
(02:47):
You know, at some point, you know, they decided to
make this thing a lot bigger in New York and
invite players and make it more of an event. But
the decision was it what five years ago?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
How long has it been around seven?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Okay? The decision to take it on the road city
by city where they could almost you know, bid for it.
It's been a home run case in point the Green Bay,
Wisconsin this past but like even Detroit was awesome, Nashville
was awesome. I know there's other cities that were involved,
but I look at it, I just go, this has
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been incredible. Man. It really has been incredible for the NFL,
their fan bases and to mix in you know, fan
bases that aren't gonna be hosting a super Bowl, but
in some cases, the Draft kind of is their super Bowl.
You know. There's a number of teams that they look
forward to, the hope and the optimism the draft brings
every year, and this event has become so much fun
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to watch and just see what's gonna happen next. It's
it's the best reality TV there is and now it's
surrounded by essentially almost like a reality TV show.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, and I was actually twenty fifteen because it first
went to Chicago for a couple of years, and then
it went to Philly, it went to Arlington, Nashville. In
twenty twenty it was actually held in Anthony Fauci's dungeon,
so it was held there, and then twenty twenty one
was Cleveland, Vegas, Kansas City, Detroit, and then Green Bay.
(04:17):
So ten years has been going on. It gets bigger
every year, every single year. Yeah, and look, I've always
thought that it's for places like Green Bay or a
place like Philly or Cleveland that's not going to get
a Super Bowl. This is kind of the next best
thing as far as you're not going to get what
Vegas got when we were there. New Orleans got when
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we were there. But this is at least a consolation prize.
You hope the weather cooperates in late April and then
people show out and it's great for everybody in the town.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Well that's never say never. If one of those cool
weather teams builds a dome, I'm just I'm not counting
them out yet, but yeah, think about this. Here are
the numbers, so we all know, like the first round
does well and that's that's part of the reason why
there's a desire for multiple networks. I mean, Fox isn't
on it, Amazon, some of the streaming networks. Everyone is in
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on the rights to bid for the NFL Draft next year.
I mean next year is up now. ESPN is still
a part of it, but those rights are going to
go for at least fifty maybe to one hundred million
a year Jesus for the rights to this. I mean
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the day to the second third round got average over
seven million viewers for that grant. That was up forty
percent compared to the year before, and a lot of
that had to do with Shador. But I look at
it and I go, this has become must see TV.
And in a time and era where like we tend
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to watch things on our own, this is appointment television
and it has been to a degree. But I can
kudos to the NFL for having the vision to see
this through and get excitement around it. And that's one
of the things where I'm curious to see if they
open it up to other networks besides ESPN. Because of
a lot of the controversy around Shador, it's probably time
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we pivot to his drop from what was projected to
potentially be a topic to the fifth round. But even
how ESPN handled it, which you know you could, you
can take whatever side you want, but he got kind
of ugly up there for a while, and maybe it's
time to let someone else actually go ahead and handle it.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You know, an old school radio, there's this term, it's
called the topic tree, where there's this tree that's a topic,
and then the branches that come off or different storylines
and angles off the topic. And Shador Sanders delivered many
branches off of that tree. First and foremost. Shout out
to the Cleveland Browns, you know, and I feel bad
(06:55):
for anybody who bet on the Cleveland Browns to be
the team who drafted Shador Sanders on DraftKings, was sitting
at plus three p forty on Thursday before the draft,
so you bet a hundred bucks, you went on three
hundred and forty dollars.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That was a wild ride to go on to get
your three.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Hundred and forty dollars, like you went round after round
after round, a quarterback taken the night before, and then
finally you get him to pick one forty four in
the fifth round. I don't I was not expecting the
Browns were going to be the team to do so.
But they traded up, they jumped over Philly, they made
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the move, and now Shadoor Sanders finds himself in Cleveland,
And I just don't know that a lot of people
thought that was going to be the way that it
played out and ended up let alone in the fifth round.
But back to Cleveland, a team that some people rejected
he was going to end up with anyways.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, and let's just break this all down because there's
a lot of angles that I think people have taken
on this one. As for the drop, you know, that's
that's the first topic is how has a guy who
was viewed as a first round pick dropped to the
fifth round. Now, the first thing I'd say to caution
everyone in that regard is I was talking to a
former NFL general manager and he had talked about how
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there's one like eleven eleven first round grades in this
year's draft. Yeah, so on the outside we get these
mock drafts. Again, guys who, in many cases no disrespect,
they've never played, coached or even been in a scouting department,
but they put together a mock draft, okay, which mind you,
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and no other facet of life. Do we look at
that with any credibility. Okay, like if you had someone
who had never actually played, coached or been in a
front office organization to be in the role of selecting
that drafting a player, would we give any weight to
their opinion. But with the NFL Draft, we do. I've
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always said this, going to the NFL comp mine is
one of the most fascinating things because it's the start
of that evaluation process. And when you go as a
media member for credentialing, you get the like everyone out
of the woodwork comes out and it's like draft of
thon dot Com. It's like, yeah, I get your media credentials.
It's like, well, who are these guys?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Backer Blitz done that packer Blitz.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah. Yeah, we were able to convince LeVar backer Blitz
dot Com was an actual credible, credentialed media company. So
that is how wide ranging this goes. Whether there's this
desire for everyone and their mother to want to give
you what they think about who's going to go here
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and who's gonna be drafted there, or what this college
football player how he is. It's one of them. It's
the oddest thing, but at the same time it makes
a lot of fun. So here we are, we have
a player in Shador Sanders who look I'll be I'll
be full disclosure. I thought he was much closer to
cam Ward in regards to what I saw on tape
from the two then, you know, and Jackson Dart was
(10:03):
kind of right there behind him. But I didn't think
there was that much separation if you're just purely measuring
from pick one to pick one four at least as
far as the tape. And that's where the conversation I
think kind of ends, because a lot of what happened
with Shador Sanders, I think has to do with everything
outside of what he is as a football player. Now,
(10:26):
do I think he is dynamic or as athletic as Camboard.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
No?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Does he have a strung of an arm? No. So
there's some things that you look at in his game
you go, well, I can see why he didn't go
anywhere close to cam Ward or get drafted ward Jalen
Milroe did. He's not as dynamic as an athlete of
Jalen Milroe. So then you started listening off some of
the other quarterbacks that went before him. You know Jackson
Dart went in the back of the first round. Well,
(10:53):
you don't have as many concerns about all the things
that Shador Sanders has going on around him as posed
to football, and so that this isn't a race thing.
And I know some people try to make it a
race topic. There's other black quarterbacks who were drafted, Cam
Warred in particular, Number one overall, Jaylen Milroe as well.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And by the way, it's not like in the NFL's race.
It's like there's actually more biracial quarterbacks in the NFL
right now and there are white quarterbacks. So if you
want to go that route, go ahead, But I don't
know that you're going to find much credibility in that discussion.
This has to do with how Shador has handled himself
in meetings, how he's handled himself in the public eye,
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and maybe to some degree too, the concern about the
dad and what that may happen if he gets drafted
and things don't go well. I mean, there's a lot
of concern with all that just from going through the
process as a player. These teams don't want you to
tell them how to do stuff. They're drafting you. They're
the ones making the decision, and so they want you
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to more fall in line now that they don't want
they want you to be your own person. But in
the same sense, they still want you to be a
part of their culture and their environment, not try to
change it. Like like they're there, they're the ones who
are there to try to bring players to have success,
to change it. They're they're not asking you to do
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anything other than win football games. And I think that's
the hard part about this with Shador is you got
to keep the main thing the main thing. And when
you go to look at the draft party and they're
launching the Legendary brand and you see the prank call,
and you see him even in the prank call, he's
trying to They're they're filming it and everything else that
goes along with it. They're trying to like drop the
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Legendary in there for part of the branding process. And
I'm like, all right, like this is about everything other
than football, feels like at times, and I think to
some degree that was a turnoff for a lot of
those teams. I mean, you can go through the other
accounts that started to surface, but that's where, or at
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least from my experience going through the combine being in
the NFL, being at times a starter a backup, and
being a guy who's just trying to be third stringer.
Hang on the NFL does not. None of these teams
are trying to say we want you to be the
one worrying about changing our franchise. We just want you
to go out and win. We want you to play football,
(13:23):
love football. That's all we want you to do. And
there's some people who would take issue with that, but
don't take issue with me. I'm just telling you how
it works.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, it was Todd McShay who reported Brian dave Ball.
I guess they had to visit a private visit and
he tried to do an install package. Should Or Sanders
wasn't prepared for it. Brian day Ball called him out.
Should Or didn't like the fact that he called him out.
They asked Brian dave Ball about it. He kind of
(13:54):
sidestepped the whole thing over the weekend when they asked
him about it, and so you just started to hear
more of that stuff come out and you go, Okay, well,
maybe there really was something to the reporting that was
out there that he didn't have great visits with teams
throughout the whole process of the draft. Now he's going
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to Cleveland and he's going to be a member of
the Browns. So of course the Cleveland media caught up
with him after he was selected on Saturday, and here
with Shador.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
I know I'm gonna fit in perfectly. It's first getting in,
showing the respected events, showing them you know, I'm here
ready to work, show to coaches and have him understand
you know, I'm here ready to work, so they could
actually understand the real meat. That's what I'm truly thankful
to have is an opportunity for people to actually see
(14:47):
the real met and not be able to see stuff
that could be true or not.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
So there were some people that were kind of speculating, well,
maybe this is going to be the thing that humbles him.
I mean, you'd hope so, but yeah, like who knows. Man, Like,
if he's got this brand going, he's got all these
other things going. There's video surfacing of him trying to
convince cam Ward let's let's record a song together, and
cam Ward's like, no, I'm all about football.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I don't want to be a rapper, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Like like you would think, Okay, maybe over the weekend
he got a glimpse into hey, you've got to clean
some stuff up. He alluded to that and talking with
the Cleveland media as well too. But now you turn
it over and you just say, all right, he's going
to get in there and we'll see how it plays
out as a fifth round pick as opposed to a
fringe first round pick that some people had him at.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Well, let me ask you this. And they put out
a lot of content content themselves. I mean, was that
not real? Like what do you what are you supposed
to believe when they put out a lot of content? Right?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, it's look the and I do wonder based on
the coverage over the weekend if there were certain NFL
teams that we're looking around gone Now do you see,
like we didn't even draft the guy? And look what
it's turned into. Right, And the more that it went on,
(16:09):
and you mentioned the ratings for it and the storyline,
and look, I give you credit all the time on
this and talking about it leading up to the draft.
You're the one who pointed out, man, if not for
Shador Sanders, what's the interesting storyline in the draft?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
And it's true and that thing carried on all three days,
like all three days. That was the story of the
entire draft.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
I will say this though, because the Sanders family and Shador,
because they're so polarizing, that's what drove it. It wasn't that
people are like waiting to see where he goes because
they like him, which is a bit sad. And we'll
talk about the prank call and all that stuff later on.
I think the hard thing for me and talking about
(16:53):
this draft pick too, though, is looking at it from
the side of the Cleveland rounds and I guess let's
just do this. Let's hear from their general manager Andrew Berry,
and then we can talk about that on the other
side of it.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
It wasn't necessarily the plan going into the weekend to
select two quarterbacks. But you know, as we talked about,
we do believe in best player available, we do believe
in positional value, and you know, we didn't necessarily expect
him to be available in the you know, in the
fifth round, and so we love adding competition to every
position room and adding him to compete with, you know,
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the guys that are already in there. We felt like,
you know, that was the appropriate thing to do.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
How's this going to work? I mean, in all seriousness.
So so this offseason, the Cleveland Browns have signed veteran
Joe Flacco, who was already there a couple of years ago.
I think he built up a lot of equity with
the fan base for the way he handled himself and
help get that team, you know, into the playoffs towards
the end of the season. You have Kenny Pickett, who
they traded for, who's still on his rookie contract, former
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first round pick. Then you take Dylan Gabriel, so very productive,
experienced quarterback at the college level. I think he comes
in ready to go. You know, there's some maybe some
limitations a bit with as far as his size, but
by all accounts a very talented passer, lefty, but very
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talented passer. Then you take Shador And this doesn't mention
the fact that Deshaun Watson's still technically on the roster,
even though it feels like he's a bit of an afterthought.
I remember, Yeah, how's it going to work? You have
four new players, two of which are rookies, one that's
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on his rookie deal, that's played some but not a ton,
and you got to get these all these guys prepared
reps for someone to start. I mean, I understand clearly
the Cleveland Browns are trying to address the quarterback position,
but I don't think they're doing Chador any favors, because
if you're just basing it purely off of the draft
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pick and what guys have signed for and what guys
are being paid and everything else that goes along with that,
he's the least valued. He's the guy that starts day
one on the roster as fourth string, assuming Deshaun Watson
isn't healthy back as part of that whole mix. So
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how many reps is he even getting? Like most teams
keep two, maybe three quarterbacks on their active roster. Four
maybe maybe I'm the practice squad if they keep three
on the active roster. So not only is it gonna
be hard for especially between Dylan Gabriel, Shore Sanders, for
one of the you know these guys develop, it's to
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be hard to prepare any one of those four for
the be the starter. And so on top of that,
you now bring in what is And again we sawid
Day two in the draft, second and third round, seven
point two some point three million people watched just to
see if he did or did not get drafted and
everything that comes along with that, and some people might say,
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well that's a good thing. Then people are gonna watch
the Browns for that opportunity of shoud or starts. Well,
if he even gets the chance to start, if he
even gets the chance to dress. I mean, you get
a fifty three men roster at forty six dress, you
can use the third quarterback designation. That's if he even
dresses to have a chance of playing. So I look
at this as actually quite possibly one of the worst situations,
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not only for a quarterback in the Browns room to
start and play, because you're gonna have limited reps. There's
no there's no one guy like Camboard right now. And
they could say will Lewis and they are gonna compete. Bs.
You drafted camb Woard number one. Overall, Give cam Ward
every single flipping rep toil the start of the of
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this upcoming season, because because that's what you that's what
you drafted him to be, So prepare him. Give them
every rep at best. These guys are gonn He did
twenty five percent of whatever cam Woard's gonna get at best.
So and not only is it not a good situation
for either of the young quarterbacks they just drafted. It's
not a great situation to figure out who their guy's
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going to be as their starter because they're not getting
a ton of enough reps or a ton of reps
to prepare for it. And based on the photo when
they took shardhors Sanders, it looked like someone was holding
kevin'st to Fancy or Andrew Barry hostage.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
But you you pointed that out to me, and I
went back and looked in Andrew Berry's face and He's like, yeah,
he looked like like like somebody was literally electrocuting his
dog right in front of him, like he had he
had no there was no emotion, no smile, no anything.
And for an organization that has tried to openly distance
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themselves from a circus that is Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
They've just invited another one in.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
They could say whatever they want, all that branding, all
of that is coming to the organism, and they had
other options. They chose other options and still couldn't resist
and trade it up in order to grab them anyways.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
So it's which it's wild, man.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
You know, it's not often times that you have an
owner involved fifth round draft pick. I think Jimmy Haslm
was here. Oh boy. I mean when you hear the
words and again this is just you know, talking about
Andrew Berry. We just heard a moment ago say that
wasn't the plan going into it? Well, what changed? I mean,
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the head coach, general management, their plans don't really change, right.
And you can talk about draft value, positional value, all
that stuff. You already took one. You took doing Gable
in the third round. So I sit there and say,
there is something more there where I'm sure Jimmy Haslm
kind of came to the rescue and nudge those guys
to bring Shure and give him a chance. And so
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now hopefully Shudor could do some of the things he
said and fall in line. Give respect to the bets,
because here's the truth. Did it seem like Shadoor, Sanders
or anyone really gave a lot of respect to the
Colorado players that were veterans, that were existing, they were
already there. I mean, the answer is no. But they're
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going to rely on the fact of just saying, well,
there were a one win football team before we got there.
You know, and look what we built it into. Well,
it's not like every single one of those players was
the reason or justification for it. There's a lot of
factors that play a role in all of that. But look,
I've loved his confidence, I love his accuracy, I love
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how he lays throws. I think he can play in
the NFL. I do. And Kevin Stefanski, by the way,
has been a coach that has showcased that doesn't matter
who's that quarterback, he can be able to maximize their abilities.
So from that standpoint, maybe it's a good thing for
where he ended up. But the problem is is, again,
you've got four guys who just all brought in this offseason.
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They all need the reps. You got to prepare one
to be the starter, and that guy should get at
least half, if not the majority. And like I said,
with young guys or especially guys you want to start,
like if if I was the starter, I'm not giving
up any of my reps ever, because I would never
want to feel like I'm not prepared or I wish
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I would have taken one more rep of this. I
wish I would have taken one more rep of that.
You want to take as many reps as you can
to feel prepared because you have such a big install
week in and week out that you have a hard
time ever really making every throw that's on that game
plan or on that you know, on that call sheet.
So you want to get as many reps as possible.
That's why I keep going back to this. It just
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it seems like it's gonna be an awkward scenario. But
I mean looking and I'm I'm a Browns fan through
and through, guy drafted by the Browns, played for it
was a part of kind of how this goes. And this,
unfortunately is the broken record. This keeps going over and
over and over again.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Man, But my buddy is a Browns fan. He works
in radio at another network, and he texted me and
he's like, they just can't help themselves.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
They literally gets unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
It's like, what can't you let someone else do it? Hey, seriously,
let someone else do it? Did you just have can
you have an off season where it's like there's just
no drama with it? Like if you got past Deshaun Watson,
now you can't just be like, all right, let's let's
go in this direction. Let's do it the right way. No,
of course not.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, it's so there you go.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
There's the Cleveland Browns and the outlook for the twenty
twenty five season.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (25:43):
And it is a Wednesday, which means we've got a
tradition to uphold on this show.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
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Speaker 2 (25:52):
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My son and I rip those now those are gone.
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analyst and our good buddy on ex at the Old
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(26:16):
Good morning, LeVar?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
I'm all right, I'm okay, good so good.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
To know Petros. I just want to first, you know,
send my condolences to you and yours. I know you
were pretty distraught that should or had to wait as
long as he did.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Tough for me.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
So it's really I gotta say, uh, I had a
conversation with somebody about this last night, somebody who knows
better than me, uh as far as like how executives
think and all of that, And I know for a
fact that this made the draft more interesting for me.
I'm not a fan of the NFL Draft. I never
(26:53):
have been. And I'll explain it, uh, LeVar. It's like
we deal with all the douchary before and at halftime
and after a football game, because there's a football game
to watch, right, Like I might even tolerate as a viewer,
(27:15):
you know, Ian Rapaport and whatever other douchebag information guy
going back and forth about who's right about the information
they have and all that different stuff, Like I will
tolerate that, you know, Peter Schrager, I'll tolerate all of
that crap because you know that there's a game coming.
And that's the amazing thing about the NFL Draft game.
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It is just the self flating NFL information guide douchiarie
for literally four hours and there's no game, and the
fact that you know, six hundred thousand people will show
up for it or whatever it was throughout the weekend,
and they'll get seven and a half million viewers combined
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for an event that has no actual payoff. That's pretty amazing. Oh,
deep down ESPN, the NFL network, they're high fiving. No
matter what pundit you might feel like made a fool
of themselves or didn't. They're having a hell of a
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time feeling great about the draft because everybody watched because
of one thing.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Now, I would allege earlier.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
Before I had this conversation that yeah, okay, NFL networks
high fiving. ESPN's high fiving. But deep down the NFL,
because all of their draft picks were overshadowed and many
of their pundits are embarrassed or are embarrassing, the NFL
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must be pretty red in the face. They can't be
happy about the way this went down. And the guy
I was with last night, who's an executive, said, are
you They don't care. They just want people to talk
about them. They love it. They're not embarrassed. They don't
have some kind of moral high ground that they're standing
on and saying, oh, we don't like this room for
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room for um. No, this was an embarrassment, but it
was also a gigantic victory for the NFL. These leagues
are always trying to become the biggest story of the week,
especially if they're not playing, like that's a huge bonus.
Off season, it's the biggest story of the week. The
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NBA off season kind of tried to create that in
the summer. So that's kind of the big picture of
what I thought after the weekend is this was a travesty.
Is anybody embarrassed by it? And the answer is no, nobody.
Nobody is embarrassed about it.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
You don't feel like the eventual crash out that was
going to take place by mel Kiper that took place
this draft weekend.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
You don't think he's embarrassed about that. Today, I go no.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
I mean, I don't know if he had any shame,
he would have tucked it in after.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
The Jimmy claws and stuff. You know, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
I mean, it's a whole different cottage industry, and mel
Kuiper has made the draft what it is. And again,
you know, I'm a guy in his basement screaming into
a microphone. I mean, I understand the level of interest.
I don't maybe I don't, but I look, this moved
the needle in a huge way, and the NFL and
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everybody else involved is taking a victory lap. I don't
know what Kuiper's like. He could be looking in the
mirror saying, you know, I hate you. I don't know,
but uh, but overall, it was, it was. It was
an event that I watched, and you know, usually I'm
semi interested in the draft as far as oh I
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know this player, Hey good for that guy, or hey,
that's what a cool story, but nothing to where I
was like riveted and people were texting me.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
He's not gonna go. He's not going you know, you know,
like he's not gonna go.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
We were all, you know, pretty pretty uh pretty glued
to it, and and there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
And you have to give the NFL whatever perverse kind of.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
Credit you'd want to give him. I mean, to me,
if you're Jackson Dart or any of these guys, and
everybody's having a temper tantrum when you get picked. Anybody
who got picked anywhere that they thought Shador Sanders was
gonna get picked.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
The panel had a temper tantrum. On day two.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Everybody seemed even Joel, who's a Colorado guy, Like everybody
seemed to get reeled in except for your brother with
the with the hair helmet.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
So Petros, would you see like the numbers and you
mentioned the interest, it's there and the viewership numbers up
over forty percent on day two from the previous year,
up over forty percent on day three from the previous year.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Yeah, I mean they wish they could create the every year.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Oh yeah, And so I look at it and I go.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
But this was a natural occurrence.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
I mean, this was a rebuke, a rebuke of the
NFL's front offices against the Shador Sanders and Dion Sanders.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
And how they went about this.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
I don't think he was a first round pick ever,
Like I really don't, But I don't think he would
have gone that deep. Had they not maybe, and they've
admitted it themselves, maybe they could have gone about this
in a different way. And I think that's probably in hindsight,
I think that that's what they would end up doing.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Doesn't also speak though, to there's like this is.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Why Colorado bringing in Dion Sanders like this, this was
part of it because we're talking about a fifth round pick.
And his rookie jersey sale is third amongst all draft picks.
I mean, he's the only non first round pick. And
it just goes to show you, like, man, Colorado was
desperate to have anything and to see the noise that
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comes along and the coverage that comes along with Dion
and Shador and man, we have brought up Travis Hunter,
who's the best player in the draft potentially. It just
tells me Colorado was right in.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
The move they made.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
It may never result in a national title, and Dion
could be the coach of the Browns in two years,
who the hell knows, But what they did was put
the program back on the map, and they did so
by way of Dion Sanders, who put his son and
his old brand on the map.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Again.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
Yeah, you can't argue with it. I mean you can
say that it's manufactured and the story is deeply.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Manufactured because it doesn't warrant.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
I mean I was a little offended just because everybody's like, well,
Colorado football's not done anything for twenty years.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
It's like, no, no, that's not true.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
They had a coach, the guy from San Jose McIntyre
or whatever. That guy had him in the Pac twelfth
championship game with Philip Lindsay and that big quarterback I
think his name was Montees or something.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
I mean, not that it's very memorable.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
To anybody else, but that was a higher performing team,
you know, in the last twenty years, in the last
ten years, than what Shadour and Travis Hunter and Dion
did just as far as you know X's and Ozen
on the field, that was.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Actually a better team.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Stephen Montes, Yes, Stephen Montes and and that's okay, I mean,
that's fine.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
This is this is a manufactured story. But what is it?
Speaker 8 (34:25):
Manufactured? Revenue, attention, television ratings, you know, all of these
different things, and.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
It's hard to argue with that now.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
Other than most of the points that everybody's already made.
I think it is interesting because this did prove one
point the media and whatever that is. You know, when
whatever your interpretation is, when you hear somebody say that word,
the media couldn't get this guy drafted. And I I
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think this was a little bit of a reprimand on
the media because the last time I saw the media
get a guy drafted out of place was Lonzo Ball, right,
And you had to be an idiot like Magic Johnson,
the same guy that traded away a vitza booth Zubats.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
You have to be somebody who was very naive to
fall into the.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
Media trap because he was local and all that, to
draft Lonzo Ball as opposed to Jason Tatum or de
Aaron Fox, you know, and I know about Markel Foltz
and all that, but he was a consensus number one.
And gms don't get fired if you pick the guy
that's a consensus number one because you just figure, yeah,
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everybody else would have picked him. It's not my fault.
So that's the only other time I've really seen like
just a huge media swell to get a guy drafted
out of place. And this seemed like a little bit
of a reprimand on on all the talk for months
and months that the NFL wasn't having it.
Speaker 7 (36:04):
Speaking of reprimands, p I mean the kid they did
the prank, he apologized.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
How problem that.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
I didn't know that that had been a thing.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Yeah he got cut, but like I didn't know.
Speaker 8 (36:18):
That that had happened last year and years before it
happened to another kid.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Well, I had no idea.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
I mean shouldn't something like the fact that it's it
got leaked by you know, uh an official will say
inside of the organization.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Shouldn't there be some type of consequence to it?
Speaker 8 (36:36):
I mean, I don't know what he want to do
to poor old brick. He's already I mean, he's already embarrassed.
I mean, his kids, embarrassed himself. And the kid has apologized.
I mean he got cut.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
I mean, should we have him stand somewhere like butts up?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Shame? Oh yeah, shame? What a rabbit butts up?
Speaker 7 (36:53):
Maybe seven seven canes? I don't, yeah, you know, shame,
you know, maybeg shame.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
I mean, isn't that happening? I mean, isn't he being
I mean, isn't it happening right now?
Speaker 7 (37:04):
If I'm the NFL, you don't want that to Like,
your biggest storyline was Shador Sanders, and that became a
part of the storyline. When he got everybody went running
for the phone and it's it's time.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I've been waiting for your call.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
Well you're gonna keep waiting, Like in the moment, it
shouldn't like it was kind of like maybe a tab it,
Like I don't want to admit.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
It was funny.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
I thought the whole thing was racial, to be honest
with you. But that's just all I'm gonna say. And
that's that's a whole another deal. That's that's that's a
whole nother deal. But anyway, I mean, I just feel
like there should be some type of repercussion if the
information that's a private line and that information gets out
where something like that can happen from an organization.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
I just listen.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
I think it's important that at some point, I know
it didn't happen this time, but at some point I
feel like we're gonna get a black quarterback drafted high.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I agree, petros, Oh, that's sarcasle I agree.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
What are you trying to say?
Speaker 4 (38:06):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 8 (38:06):
I mean, I just look when somebody goes like, you know,
this is because the kid wears chains and he raps,
and I was like, dude, if you took all the
guys out that wear chains and raps, you know, we
don't have a league, you know, I mean.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
We don't have anything to talk about, you know.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
I mean every guy that I know that I played
football with that was of a certain background, most of
them thought that they could do three things rap look
cool and jewelry and played basketball And the truth is
none of those things were true.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
They could just play football.
Speaker 8 (38:42):
I mean, our best basketball players were usually the guys
who played quarterback. They were tall, and they actually had
played high school basketball. Now, it's an amazing story. The
whole thing, LeVar is amazing, and there's so many different
avenues to take it. And I think that there's a
lot of social common and treat that comes along with it.
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That you know, if you feel a certain kind of
way about a certain kind of thing on one way
or the other, you can find something about this Shadeur's
story and make it a platform and attack others.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
I think it happens all the time in sports these days,
which is really unfortunate. We sort of lost our anonymity
with the political world and people use these stories.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Look at what happened to Saquon, right, what's your take
on that? I saw?
Speaker 7 (39:26):
You saw like they're attacking Saquon? Oh wait, you people
are attacking Saquon Like. I just don't understand why a
man can't live his life like you can have your
own political views and personal feelings, but why are you
projecting that on the Like we don't like, like Petros,
you don't have to live for somebody else, Like you
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don't have to give validation from somebody else.
Speaker 8 (39:50):
If my daughter wants to go to the Trump golf
course where they stamp the Trump name on the burger
and she likes the way it looks because she's nine,
I'm gonna take her. You know, I don't care what
somebody on the and Twitter might say. Uh No, I'm
I think you did a great job being a little
bit more. I guess just reasonable with his explanation as
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to what he was doing.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
I like, if he's not there, have a problem like, okay,
you're not inviting people like.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Be upset at that you're upset that he's there.
Speaker 8 (40:22):
No, I think you've come to a point where there's
a group of people who they're gonna think that you're
evil if you deal with uh, with the guy who
they elected president, and that's not I don't think that's
right either. It's obviously a hot button topic for a
lot of people because some people are just absolutely and totally,
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just gutturally opposed to anything that that guy does, whether
it's good or bad. So that that's a tough story.
And I hate the fact that athletes get sucked into that.
But you know, there is a bigger There is a
bigger picture when it comes to the shador thing, just
as far as him being not being drafted a high
or anybody in a professional league, whatever that league is.
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And you understand better than anybody else talking the pain
in the ass factor on one side of the scale,
and then the other side is how good is this guy?
Speaker 4 (41:20):
How much did he contribute?
Speaker 8 (41:22):
And once that pain in the ass factor starts to
outweigh that, how.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Good is this guy?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
And they're going to take you?
Speaker 8 (41:28):
People don't stick around very long, right, you know. I
mean I think about Yasiel Puig one of the biggest
stories that I've covered when since we've had the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
He disappeared every day.
Speaker 8 (41:39):
What's ple gonna do? What's ple gonna do? What did
look at the face he made? You know, But he'd
show up late and this and that and that was publicly. Privately,
you know, they couldn't get him to come home at night.
You know, they they they were struggling.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
It didn't granky like throw his stuff off a bus.
Speaker 8 (41:55):
Yeah, I mean they had a lot. Yeah, that wasn't
a book, and they struggled. You know that I had
a mentor living with them all this stuff. But the
second that his performance dropped below all the stuff you
have to do to keep this guy around because he's
a pain in the ass, he was gone. Kaepernick t Bow.
I mean, two different sides of the same coin. The
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second your story becomes bigger than what it's worth for
the actual team, they get rid of you. You know,
whether it's right or wrong, they get rid of you.
Who else Johnny Manzel, you know, I mean it just
goes on and on. This is a professional league. So
that part of it that made a lot of sense
to me. One thing I thought that was funny was
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my radio partner was like, you know, what do they
got Louis Vuton trunks in the corner?
Speaker 4 (42:43):
For what is that? Why do they have those just
stacked up? You know?
Speaker 8 (42:47):
And I was like, those are like fifty thousand dollars
a piece, and he's like, yeah, why do they have those?
Speaker 4 (42:52):
What is this?
Speaker 8 (42:53):
And I was like, well, you know, it's actually quite interesting.
I mean, Louis Vauton. If you're gonna have Louis Vauton
stuff like, that's the most authentic thing you could have
because that's what Louis Vuton actually made. Louis Vuitton was
a poor carpenter type. He was an artisan. He walked
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the seventy or whatever it is miles from Leon to Paris,
taking odd jobs on the way, and he became a
guy in Paris who made really bougie traveling trunks for
rich people who travel on boats and trains and stuff
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like that, where people would use a big ass trunk
and be gone. Yeah, months and months and months, and
those trunks that's what Louis Vuton.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Made for like one hundred years.
Speaker 8 (43:44):
Be more, you know, they started making sunglasses and hats
and purses and all the scarves and all the other stuff.
So I thought the Louis Vuton trunk choice was was a.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Very classy choice, you know, in the and then we
found out what was in it.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Straight cash, straight cash, homie, you know, the words of
the great Tony Bruno. That's beautiful, Louis Vuitton, knowledge man,
beautiful man, beautiful.
Speaker 8 (44:10):
I will say this though, I don't know, and the
honest question, I don't know if the cash in the trunks.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Could buy the trunk.
Speaker 8 (44:19):
Yeah, those sixty thousand bucks really, oh they're beautiful. Yeah,
you know, they're like, they're really like, you know, it's
like buying a piece of furniture.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
I think people would say that. And she doors got
two just scattered in the corner filled.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
With cat Yeah, they was opening them bad boys up.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Yeah, it's not from Cleveland cash, but it's Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
It's cash.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Petros Uh. Before we let you go, you got to
call your shot here. When the Lakers get eliminated by
the Timberwolves.
Speaker 8 (44:46):
What are you talking about there? Don't think that the
they'll have the refs help them out.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Well, I was gonna say when they do tonight. When
they do, it could be tonight, it could be Game six.
But when they do, first excuse you'll hear from the
Lakers about the loss will be.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
What, oh, we didn't have time to develop.
Speaker 8 (45:07):
They might throw JJ Reddick under the bus, because you know,
there's a reason nobody left their whole team out there
for the whole second half ever before ever. You know,
it's one thing to be innovative, it's another thing to
be stupid, like you're coaching a video game. You know,
Reddick's interesting. Had he overcame a lot of the negativity
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and very honest negativity about him, because he had no
coaching experience coming into this, and he overcame a lot
of that and drew a lot of praise from a
lot of people that were criticizing him. But the second
the playoffs has started, he's really shown his ass. I mean,
they got they were getting beat up in that first game,
and they do those in game interviews you know now,
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and he's like, listen, you know, we're just getting beat
This has nothing to do with schematics, nothing. It's like
you said it like three times and it's like, okay, dude,
we get it. You don't want to act like you're
being out coached. Whether it's true or not, it just
seems like he's he's got huge rabbit ears and I
just can't stand listening to him talk and he's That's
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probably where they'll blame it. They'll probably blame his lack
of playoff coaching experience, or they'll say, well, this team
just wasn't very built very well for the playoffs, and
Nico's gonna have a little victory lap in.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Dallas, right of course, and he deserves it every year.
Speaker 8 (46:28):
You know, the Clippers were looking good for a second there. Yeah,
and they're still alive. But and I guess they're they're
in better shape than the Lakers, right, Like, I guess
you could say that.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
And every year people are like, this is it?
Speaker 8 (46:42):
You know, come on, And every year I won't get
on the boat and I stand in the breakwater and
I watched the clipper ship explode in the harbor.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Yeah. Yeah, it's too bad, it really is. It's really
too bad.
Speaker 8 (46:57):
And this year it didn't even take Hawaii's like leg
falling up. It's just happening.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
That's been great, Kawhi, it's been great. It's just you know,
you just can't win. James Harden has vanished the last
couple of games.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
But Petros, we always appreciate such my ex at the
old pe. He is the great Petros papadakas the co
host of the Petros and Money Show, which you can
hear on at the Blowtorch, a M five seventy l
a Sports Fox college football analyst and a man who
brought the knowledge about Louis Vauton.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Here on the show. Yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
Pee.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
I have stacks of drachmas in my Louis Vauton.
Speaker 8 (47:33):
Oh yeah, I have a Louis Vuitton wallet. It's not
filmed with very much money.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Well, listen, maybe we'll uh that's a that's a holiday idea.
Maybe for Christmas, we'll uh, we'll line you up with something.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
For all these appearances, thanks Petros, so they compensated. The
great Petros Papadakas with us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Be sure to catch lived of two Pros and a
Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and Jonas
Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
Is it a horse name or horse crap? All right?
Speaker 3 (48:21):
It's Kentucky Derby time.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
And what that means is we've got a list of
names here. It's either an actual horse name, it's completely
made up, and it's horse crap. We've got LeVar versus
Brady LeVar. You are the defending champions, so you get
the honors here. Would you like to go first or
go second?
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Let's let him go first? You all right?
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Sticks?
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Picks so good picks?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
All right?
Speaker 3 (48:51):
So Brady, now didn't.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Just to be clear on this, these are all if
it's an actual name of a horse, these are horses
not running in the Kentucky Derby, but they are running
at Churchhill downs this weekend. All right, So is this
a horse name or is this horse crap? Brady Quinn
up first, and the first name for you, sir, is
table flirt.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Okay, all right. So that's a tough one because that
could be misconstrued as any one of our members of
our crew. All right, it could be Jonas LeVar, myself.
We've eaten out enough. We're pretty friendly when we sit
down to eat and grub together, table flirts. I'm gonna
go with horse name.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
That is correct.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Congratulations, Brady, you are on the board, and we go
over to LeVar. Now, who's next up?
Speaker 3 (49:42):
LeVar?
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Horse name or horse crap? Fall down, drunk?
Speaker 7 (49:49):
I bite you one last year you, Jonas, and I
appreciate and I appreciate.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
The easy loab on this one. But I'm gonna say
it is a a horse name. So it's horse crap.
It's horse crap. That is correct. Yeah, horse that was
that was a love. That was a love. I'll take it,
all right.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
So things will get a little bit more difficult here
for Brady Quinn, who is next up here? The horse
name or horse crap, Brady Quinn, the name for you
is trot Shapiro.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
First, off shout out. Congrats to Scott Shapiro, our boss
for the Minnesota Timberwolves getting to the second round. Is
this is for the third time in my thirty years
or something. I think he was sweeting about it.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Yeah, in fact about happy before you, Scott.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Minnesota's got a shot and maybe to make a little
run here. So we'll see. That is a horse crap
though it's not a horse name.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Correct. That is horse crap trot, Shapiro, not an actual
name of a horse. Shapiro. Over to LeVar Arrington. LeVar,
you are next up here on this edition of Horse
Name or Horse Crap, and the name for you is
naked I.
Speaker 7 (51:03):
Naked Eye sounds like it should be a horse's name,
So I'm going to lean towards.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (51:10):
What horse what?
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Or horse?
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Horse name or horse crap. Yeah, I'm gonna go with
horse name.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
That is correct. Congratulations, LeVar. You guys are perfect thus far.
So now we go back over to Brady Quinn. Here, Brady,
the name I just gave LeVar was naked Eye. The
name I've got for you is naked Guy.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
That sounds more like Lee on a Wednesday night. I'm
gonna say that's horse crap.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Jonas, You're correct, You are correct, and you guys are
perfect here. By the way, I don't know why I
Lee caught astray out of all people here on this show.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
We're trying to have your own, all right, So LeVar.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Next up for you here on this edition of Horse
Name or Horse Crap? Lee dirt napput bunch here.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with with horse crapp. You are
well the perfect there. You guys are off and running
here on this edition of Horse Name or Horse Crap?
Is it exactly the easiest one?
Speaker 7 (52:15):
I will admit that was the easiest one ever in
the history so far took number one.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Is it an actual horse name of a horse racing
at Churchill Downs this weekend? Or completely made up? Next
up is Brady Quinn. We are tied at three apiece.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
Brady. The name for you, sir, is diddy up.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
Oh No, I mean I hope they I hope that's
not a horse's name. I really do. I don't know.
Maybe maybe he's got one running in there? Is he
in jail? Where's he at right now?
Speaker 3 (52:47):
I don't know, Yes, he's down, just turned down his peaking. Oh,
I'll turn down.
Speaker 4 (52:53):
All right, I'm gonna say horse crap at least I
hope it's horse crap.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
It's not a name that is correct, Brady, when that
is a made up horse name. So we go back
over to Lvar here solely from cuff up LeVar. The
next LeVar. The next name for you here is ivory
and ebony.
Speaker 7 (53:14):
Oh so it's a black and white horse mixed together
that gave you ivory and ebony.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
I'm going to go with horse name. You are good, sir,
That is correct. All right, Brady.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
We are getting late in the game here, and speaking
of which, the name for you her by the name
for you here, Brady, is too late to castraight horse.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
Name or horse crap that just that just took the cake.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
That just took the cake, horse crape LeVar final one
here to tie the game.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
The name for you, sir, is into pleasure horse name
or horse crap.
Speaker 7 (53:53):
Oh no, that's a goot one. That's a good one.
I'm gonna say horse. I'm gonna say horse name.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
That is correct. Are we have tied it? Which brings
us to our tiebreaker horse to try and win.
Speaker 4 (54:13):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
This year's edition of horse name or horsecraft. So here's
how it works. I'm going to give the name. It's
either the name of a horse racing at Churchill Downs
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
Or it's completely made up.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
In order to take a guess, you have to ring in,
buzz in with your first name. You can't shout out
horse name, horsecrap, it doesn't count. You've got to buzz
in with your name. Your name is your buzzer. And
that's how we will decide who will get the opportunity
to win the game and the twenty twenty five Kentucky
Derby edition of horse Name or horse crap. So, if
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you guys are ready, I have the tiebreaker name.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
For you here. All right, here we go. Brady, are
you ready?
Speaker 4 (55:03):
I think I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
Yeah, the name is hold on, hold on, hold on,
you said, Brady, Is he ready?
Speaker 7 (55:11):
As if you're singular singular singling him out?
Speaker 3 (55:15):
No, no, no, for him to do it. I was
making sure that both of us having to say, yeah,
your name is your buzzer.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
I will give the name of the.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
Horse, because I wasn't sure what you did right there?
You all right, Okay, you.
Speaker 4 (55:25):
Have to explain to him because he because when Wivar
is not here. That's when we do the headliner, Lie,
and that's how we do the tie breaker on Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
So's tie break.
Speaker 4 (55:34):
I got it all right, got it? So here we
go it.
Speaker 3 (55:37):
Get ready, there we go. Hands on the buzzer. The
name is Orchids of Hasia.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Brady, Brady Quinn, you're in first, Brady, is that a
horse name or horse crap?
Speaker 4 (55:55):
That sounds like horse crap?
Speaker 2 (55:56):
The Jonas to me, Orchids of Asia is made up,
believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
And Brady Quinn, you are the winner of this year's edition.
Have horse name or horse craft? I'm out another doing
any grin? Why not? Why not?
Speaker 4 (56:17):
I just love how Jonas really flexed his creativity of
those names this year. I mean, would you have one?
One horse? One actual horse? Sell is a part of it?
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Table flirt, naked eye. It was really weak into pleasure.
I thought that one was gonna trip LeVar out into pleasure.
Sounds like something moving and ivery and ebony. That was
an actual horse name. It was a good one racing
later on today at Churchill Downs. So congratulations, there's the
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there's the when for Brady Quinn here on horse name
or horse crabt
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with LaVar airings Rady Win and Jonas Knox on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You know, at least one of us is delivering the
goods here as far as music goes on this show.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Can't speak for anybody else.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Two pros and a cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
Rady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. No LeVar Arrington.
He's still working on a U A countertake to the
Warriors are done if Jimmy Butler is injured. So we'll
get to that as soon as we'll get to that.
(00:55):
As soon as he figures out what out, he'll be
joining us here on the show. But no LeVar, and
it'll be BQ and I taking you all the way
up until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. How
about that NFL draft in Green Bay?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
How about it?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Awesome?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Put on a.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah for a draft that outside of Shador Sanders, which
you know he delivered, he delivered, But outside of Shador Sanders,
it didn't seem like there was a lot of drama.
The ratings were there and Green Bay showed up. That
was such an unbelievable scene in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Kudos
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to all the fans that went out there, the Packers fans,
Everett involved with the Packers organization. That looked awesome. That
looked like the place to be for the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Draft at Mark Murphy said, I think a week ago
the expectation was two hundred and fifty thousand people were
going to be in attendance over the course of the weekend,
and the NFL announced, well a little more than that.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
At six hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So that's got to be great for the businesses there,
the local me they put out, Man, that was awesome.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
You know what's incredible to watch, And and we'll get
to the topic that everyone wants to talk about. But
mel Kuiper has found himself kind of embroiled in this
topic that everyone wants to talk about. Shador Sanders has
drop to the fifth round. But if you go back
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and watch one of the first times, like mel Kuiper
really made a name for himself in talking about the
Colts organization and hammering their general manager I believe it
was at the time. Oh yeah, just go back and
look at the scene of that room and and how
the draft was conducted back then. Which I mean it's not.
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You know, at some point, you know, they decided to
make this thing a lot bigger in New York and
invite players and make it more of an event. But
the decision was it what five years ago?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
How long has it been around seven?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Okay? The decision to take it on the road city
by city where they could almost you know, bid for it.
It's been a home run case in point the Green Bay,
Wisconsin this past but like even Detroit was awesome, Nashville
was awesome. I know there's other cities that were involved,
but I look at it, I just go, this has
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been incredible. Man. It really has been incredible for the NFL,
their fan bases and to mix in you know, fan
bases that aren't gonna be hosting a super Bowl, but
in some cases, the Draft kind of is their super Bowl.
You know. There's a number of teams that they look
forward to, the hope and the optimism the draft brings
every year, and this event has become so much fun
(03:45):
to watch and just see what's gonna happen next. It's
it's the best reality TV there is and now it's
surrounded by essentially almost like a reality TV show.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, and I was actually twenty fifteen because it first
went to Chicago for a couple of years, and then
it went to Philly, it went to Arlington, Nashville. In
twenty twenty it was actually held in Anthony Fauci's dungeon,
so it was held there, and then twenty twenty one
was Cleveland, Vegas, Kansas City, Detroit, and then Green Bay.
(04:17):
So ten years has been going on. It gets bigger
every year, every single year. Yeah, and look, I've always
thought that it's for places like Green Bay or a
place like Philly or Cleveland that's not going to get
a Super Bowl. This is kind of the next best
thing as far as you're not going to get what
Vegas got when we were there. New Orleans got when
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we were there. But this is at least a consolation prize.
You hope the weather cooperates in late April and then
people show out and it's great for everybody in the town.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Well that's never say never. If one of those cool
weather teams builds a dome, I'm just I'm not counting
them out yet, but yeah, think about this. Here are
the numbers, so we all know, like the first round
does well and that's that's part of the reason why
there's a desire for multiple networks. I mean, Fox isn't
on it, Amazon, some of the streaming networks. Everyone is in
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on the rights to bid for the NFL Draft next year.
I mean next year is up now. ESPN is still
a part of it, but those rights are going to
go for at least fifty maybe to one hundred million
a year Jesus for the rights to this. I mean
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the day to the second third round got average over
seven million viewers for that grant. That was up forty
percent compared to the year before, and a lot of
that had to do with Shador. But I look at
it and I go, this has become must see TV.
And in a time and era where like we tend
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to watch things on our own, this is appointment television
and it has been to a degree. But I can
kudos to the NFL for having the vision to see
this through and get excitement around it. And that's one
of the things where I'm curious to see if they
open it up to other networks besides ESPN. Because of
a lot of the controversy around Shador, it's probably time
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we pivot to his drop from what was projected to
potentially be a topic to the fifth round. But even
how ESPN handled it, which you know you could, you
can take whatever side you want, but he got kind
of ugly up there for a while, and maybe it's
time to let someone else actually go ahead and handle it.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You know, an old school radio, there's this term, it's
called the topic tree, where there's this tree that's a topic,
and then the branches that come off or different storylines
and angles off the topic. And Shador Sanders delivered many
branches off of that tree. First and foremost. Shout out
to the Cleveland Browns, you know, and I feel bad
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for anybody who bet on the Cleveland Browns to be
the team who drafted Shador Sanders on DraftKings, was sitting
at plus three p forty on Thursday before the draft,
so you bet a hundred bucks, you went on three
hundred and forty dollars.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That was a wild ride to go on to get
your three.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Hundred and forty dollars, like you went round after round
after round, a quarterback taken the night before, and then
finally you get him to pick one forty four in
the fifth round. I don't I was not expecting the
Browns were going to be the team to do so.
But they traded up, they jumped over Philly, they made
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the move, and now Shadoor Sanders finds himself in Cleveland,
And I just don't know that a lot of people
thought that was going to be the way that it
played out and ended up let alone in the fifth round.
But back to Cleveland, a team that some people rejected
he was going to end up with anyways.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, and let's just break this all down because there's
a lot of angles that I think people have taken
on this one. As for the drop, you know, that's
that's the first topic is how has a guy who
was viewed as a first round pick dropped to the
fifth round. Now, the first thing I'd say to caution
everyone in that regard is I was talking to a
former NFL general manager and he had talked about how
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there's one like eleven eleven first round grades in this
year's draft. Yeah, so on the outside we get these
mock drafts. Again, guys who, in many cases no disrespect,
they've never played, coached or even been in a scouting department,
but they put together a mock draft, okay, which mind you,
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and no other facet of life. Do we look at
that with any credibility. Okay, like if you had someone
who had never actually played, coached or been in a
front office organization to be in the role of selecting
that drafting a player, would we give any weight to
their opinion. But with the NFL Draft, we do. I've
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always said this, going to the NFL comp mine is
one of the most fascinating things because it's the start
of that evaluation process. And when you go as a
media member for credentialing, you get the like everyone out
of the woodwork comes out and it's like draft of
thon dot Com. It's like, yeah, I get your media credentials.
It's like, well, who are these guys?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Backer Blitz done that packer Blitz.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah. Yeah, we were able to convince LeVar backer Blitz
dot Com was an actual credible, credentialed media company. So
that is how wide ranging this goes. Whether there's this
desire for everyone and their mother to want to give
you what they think about who's going to go here
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and who's gonna be drafted there, or what this college
football player how he is. It's one of them. It's
the oddest thing, but at the same time it makes
a lot of fun. So here we are, we have
a player in Shador Sanders who look I'll be I'll
be full disclosure. I thought he was much closer to
cam Ward in regards to what I saw on tape
from the two then, you know, and Jackson Dart was
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kind of right there behind him. But I didn't think
there was that much separation if you're just purely measuring
from pick one to pick one four at least as
far as the tape. And that's where the conversation I
think kind of ends, because a lot of what happened
with Shador Sanders, I think has to do with everything
outside of what he is as a football player. Now,
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do I think he is dynamic or as athletic as Camboard.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
No?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Does he have a strung of an arm? No. So
there's some things that you look at in his game
you go, well, I can see why he didn't go
anywhere close to cam Ward or get drafted ward Jalen
Milroe did. He's not as dynamic as an athlete of
Jalen Milroe. So then you started listening off some of
the other quarterbacks that went before him. You know Jackson
Dart went in the back of the first round. Well,
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you don't have as many concerns about all the things
that Shador Sanders has going on around him as posed
to football, and so that this isn't a race thing.
And I know some people try to make it a
race topic. There's other black quarterbacks who were drafted, Cam
Warred in particular, Number one overall, Jaylen Milroe as well.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And by the way, it's not like in the NFL's race.
It's like there's actually more biracial quarterbacks in the NFL
right now and there are white quarterbacks. So if you
want to go that route, go ahead, But I don't
know that you're going to find much credibility in that discussion.
This has to do with how Shador has handled himself
in meetings, how he's handled himself in the public eye,
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and maybe to some degree too, the concern about the
dad and what that may happen if he gets drafted
and things don't go well. I mean, there's a lot
of concern with all that just from going through the
process as a player. These teams don't want you to
tell them how to do stuff. They're drafting you. They're
the ones making the decision, and so they want you
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to more fall in line now that they don't want
they want you to be your own person. But in
the same sense, they still want you to be a
part of their culture and their environment, not try to
change it. Like like they're there, they're the ones who
are there to try to bring players to have success,
to change it. They're they're not asking you to do
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anything other than win football games. And I think that's
the hard part about this with Shador is you got
to keep the main thing the main thing. And when
you go to look at the draft party and they're
launching the Legendary brand and you see the prank call,
and you see him even in the prank call, he's
trying to They're they're filming it and everything else that
goes along with it. They're trying to like drop the
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Legendary in there for part of the branding process. And
I'm like, all right, like this is about everything other
than football, feels like at times, and I think to
some degree that was a turnoff for a lot of
those teams. I mean, you can go through the other
accounts that started to surface, but that's where, or at
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least from my experience going through the combine being in
the NFL, being at times a starter a backup, and
being a guy who's just trying to be third stringer.
Hang on the NFL does not. None of these teams
are trying to say we want you to be the
one worrying about changing our franchise. We just want you
to go out and win. We want you to play football,
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love football. That's all we want you to do. And
there's some people who would take issue with that, but
don't take issue with me. I'm just telling you how
it works.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, it was Todd McShay who reported Brian dave Ball.
I guess they had to visit a private visit and
he tried to do an install package. Should Or Sanders
wasn't prepared for it. Brian day Ball called him out.
Should Or didn't like the fact that he called him out.
They asked Brian dave Ball about it. He kind of
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sidestepped the whole thing over the weekend when they asked
him about it, and so you just started to hear
more of that stuff come out and you go, Okay, well,
maybe there really was something to the reporting that was
out there that he didn't have great visits with teams
throughout the whole process of the draft. Now he's going
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to Cleveland and he's going to be a member of
the Browns. So of course the Cleveland media caught up
with him after he was selected on Saturday, and here
with Shador.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
I know I'm gonna fit in perfectly. It's first getting in,
showing the respected events, showing them you know, I'm here
ready to work, show to coaches and have him understand
you know, I'm here ready to work, so they could
actually understand the real meat. That's what I'm truly thankful
to have is an opportunity for people to actually see
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the real met and not be able to see stuff
that could be true or not.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
So there were some people that were kind of speculating, well,
maybe this is going to be the thing that humbles him.
I mean, you'd hope so, but yeah, like who knows. Man, Like,
if he's got this brand going, he's got all these
other things going. There's video surfacing of him trying to
convince cam Ward let's let's record a song together, and
cam Ward's like, no, I'm all about football.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I don't want to be a rapper, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Like like you would think, Okay, maybe over the weekend
he got a glimpse into hey, you've got to clean
some stuff up. He alluded to that and talking with
the Cleveland media as well too. But now you turn
it over and you just say, all right, he's going
to get in there and we'll see how it plays
out as a fifth round pick as opposed to a
fringe first round pick that some people had him at.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Well, let me ask you this. And they put out
a lot of content content themselves. I mean, was that
not real? Like what do you what are you supposed
to believe when they put out a lot of content? Right?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, it's look the and I do wonder based on
the coverage over the weekend if there were certain NFL
teams that we're looking around gone Now do you see,
like we didn't even draft the guy? And look what
it's turned into. Right, And the more that it went on,
(16:09):
and you mentioned the ratings for it and the storyline,
and look, I give you credit all the time on
this and talking about it leading up to the draft.
You're the one who pointed out, man, if not for
Shador Sanders, what's the interesting storyline in the draft?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
And it's true and that thing carried on all three days,
like all three days. That was the story of the
entire draft.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
I will say this though, because the Sanders family and Shador,
because they're so polarizing, that's what drove it. It wasn't that
people are like waiting to see where he goes because
they like him, which is a bit sad. And we'll
talk about the prank call and all that stuff later on.
I think the hard thing for me and talking about
(16:53):
this draft pick too, though, is looking at it from
the side of the Cleveland rounds and I guess let's
just do this. Let's hear from their general manager Andrew Berry,
and then we can talk about that on the other
side of it.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
It wasn't necessarily the plan going into the weekend to
select two quarterbacks. But you know, as we talked about,
we do believe in best player available, we do believe
in positional value, and you know, we didn't necessarily expect
him to be available in the you know, in the
fifth round, and so we love adding competition to every
position room and adding him to compete with, you know,
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the guys that are already in there. We felt like,
you know, that was the appropriate thing to do.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
How's this going to work? I mean, in all seriousness.
So so this offseason, the Cleveland Browns have signed veteran
Joe Flacco, who was already there a couple of years ago.
I think he built up a lot of equity with
the fan base for the way he handled himself and
help get that team, you know, into the playoffs towards
the end of the season. You have Kenny Pickett, who
they traded for, who's still on his rookie contract, former
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first round pick. Then you take Dylan Gabriel, so very productive,
experienced quarterback at the college level. I think he comes
in ready to go. You know, there's some maybe some
limitations a bit with as far as his size, but
by all accounts a very talented passer, lefty, but very
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talented passer. Then you take Shador And this doesn't mention
the fact that Deshaun Watson's still technically on the roster,
even though it feels like he's a bit of an afterthought.
I remember, Yeah, how's it going to work? You have
four new players, two of which are rookies, one that's
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on his rookie deal, that's played some but not a ton,
and you got to get these all these guys prepared
reps for someone to start. I mean, I understand clearly
the Cleveland Browns are trying to address the quarterback position,
but I don't think they're doing Chador any favors, because
if you're just basing it purely off of the draft
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pick and what guys have signed for and what guys
are being paid and everything else that goes along with that,
he's the least valued. He's the guy that starts day
one on the roster as fourth string, assuming Deshaun Watson
isn't healthy back as part of that whole mix. So
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how many reps is he even getting? Like most teams
keep two, maybe three quarterbacks on their active roster. Four
maybe maybe I'm the practice squad if they keep three
on the active roster. So not only is it gonna
be hard for especially between Dylan Gabriel, Shore Sanders, for
one of the you know these guys develop, it's to
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be hard to prepare any one of those four for
the be the starter. And so on top of that,
you now bring in what is And again we sawid
Day two in the draft, second and third round, seven
point two some point three million people watched just to
see if he did or did not get drafted and
everything that comes along with that, and some people might say,
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well that's a good thing. Then people are gonna watch
the Browns for that opportunity of shoud or starts. Well,
if he even gets the chance to start, if he
even gets the chance to dress. I mean, you get
a fifty three men roster at forty six dress, you
can use the third quarterback designation. That's if he even
dresses to have a chance of playing. So I look
at this as actually quite possibly one of the worst situations,
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not only for a quarterback in the Browns room to
start and play, because you're gonna have limited reps. There's
no there's no one guy like Camboard right now. And
they could say will Lewis and they are gonna compete. Bs.
You drafted camb Woard number one. Overall, Give cam Ward
every single flipping rep toil the start of the of
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this upcoming season, because because that's what you that's what
you drafted him to be, So prepare him. Give them
every rep at best. These guys are gonn He did
twenty five percent of whatever cam Woard's gonna get at best.
So and not only is it not a good situation
for either of the young quarterbacks they just drafted. It's
not a great situation to figure out who their guy's
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going to be as their starter because they're not getting
a ton of enough reps or a ton of reps
to prepare for it. And based on the photo when
they took shardhors Sanders, it looked like someone was holding
kevin'st to Fancy or Andrew Barry hostage.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
But you you pointed that out to me, and I
went back and looked in Andrew Berry's face and He's like, yeah,
he looked like like like somebody was literally electrocuting his
dog right in front of him, like he had he
had no there was no emotion, no smile, no anything.
And for an organization that has tried to openly distance
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themselves from a circus that is Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
They've just invited another one in.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
They could say whatever they want, all that branding, all
of that is coming to the organism, and they had
other options. They chose other options and still couldn't resist
and trade it up in order to grab them anyways.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
So it's which it's wild, man.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
You know, it's not often times that you have an
owner involved fifth round draft pick. I think Jimmy Haslm
was here. Oh boy. I mean when you hear the
words and again this is just you know, talking about
Andrew Berry. We just heard a moment ago say that
wasn't the plan going into it? Well, what changed? I mean,
(22:30):
the head coach, general management, their plans don't really change, right.
And you can talk about draft value, positional value, all
that stuff. You already took one. You took doing Gable
in the third round. So I sit there and say,
there is something more there where I'm sure Jimmy Haslm
kind of came to the rescue and nudge those guys
to bring Shure and give him a chance. And so
(22:52):
now hopefully Shudor could do some of the things he
said and fall in line. Give respect to the bets,
because here's the truth. Did it seem like Shadoor, Sanders
or anyone really gave a lot of respect to the
Colorado players that were veterans, that were existing, they were
already there. I mean, the answer is no. But they're
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going to rely on the fact of just saying, well,
there were a one win football team before we got there.
You know, and look what we built it into. Well,
it's not like every single one of those players was
the reason or justification for it. There's a lot of
factors that play a role in all of that. But look,
I've loved his confidence, I love his accuracy, I love
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how he lays throws. I think he can play in
the NFL. I do. And Kevin Stefanski, by the way,
has been a coach that has showcased that doesn't matter
who's that quarterback, he can be able to maximize their abilities.
So from that standpoint, maybe it's a good thing for
where he ended up. But the problem is is, again,
you've got four guys who just all brought in this offseason.
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They all need the reps. You got to prepare one
to be the starter, and that guy should get at
least half, if not the majority. And like I said,
with young guys or especially guys you want to start,
like if if I was the starter, I'm not giving
up any of my reps ever, because I would never
want to feel like I'm not prepared or I wish
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I would have taken one more rep of this. I
wish I would have taken one more rep of that.
You want to take as many reps as you can
to feel prepared because you have such a big install
week in and week out that you have a hard
time ever really making every throw that's on that game
plan or on that you know, on that call sheet.
So you want to get as many reps as possible.
That's why I keep going back to this. It just
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it seems like it's gonna be an awkward scenario. But
I mean looking and I'm I'm a Browns fan through
and through, guy drafted by the Browns, played for it
was a part of kind of how this goes. And this,
unfortunately is the broken record. This keeps going over and
over and over again.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Man, But my buddy is a Browns fan. He works
in radio at another network, and he texted me and
he's like, they just can't help themselves.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
They literally gets unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
It's like, what can't you let someone else do it? Hey, seriously,
let someone else do it? Did you just have can
you have an off season where it's like there's just
no drama with it? Like if you got past Deshaun Watson,
now you can't just be like, all right, let's let's
go in this direction. Let's do it the right way. No,
of course not.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, it's so there you go.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
There's the Cleveland Browns and the outlook for the twenty
twenty five season.
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Speaker 7 (25:47):
Hey, where them Olbay though, I'm Old Bay Fish.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Oh those are gone gone. Yeah, the Old Bay Goldfish crackers.
My son and I rip those now those are gone.
He is Petro Papa Vegas, the co host of the
Petros Money Show, which you can hear on the Blowtorch
AM five seventy l a sports a Fox College football
analyst and our good buddy on ex at the Old
p Petros. Good morning, Good morning guys, let's pop's going there?
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Good morning, LeVar?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
I'm all right, I'm okay, good so good.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
To know Petros. I just want to first, you know,
send my condolences to you and yours. I know you
were pretty distraught that should or had to wait as
long as he did.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Tough for me.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
So it's really I gotta say, uh, I had a
conversation with somebody about this last night, somebody who knows
better than me, uh as far as like how executives
think and all of that, And I know for a
fact that this made the draft more interesting for me.
I'm not a fan of the NFL Draft. I never
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have been. And I'll explain it, uh, LeVar. It's like
we deal with all the douchary before and at halftime
and after a football game, because there's a football game
to watch, right, Like I might even tolerate as a viewer,
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you know, Ian Rapaport and whatever other douchebag information guy
going back and forth about who's right about the information
they have and all that different stuff, Like I will
tolerate that, you know, Peter Schrager, I'll tolerate all of
that crap because you know that there's a game coming.
And that's the amazing thing about the NFL Draft game.
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It is just the self flating NFL information guide douchiarie
for literally four hours and there's no game, and the
fact that you know, six hundred thousand people will show
up for it or whatever it was throughout the weekend,
and they'll get seven and a half million viewers combined
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for an event that has no actual payoff. That's pretty amazing. Oh,
deep down ESPN, the NFL network, they're high fiving. No
matter what pundit you might feel like made a fool
of themselves or didn't. They're having a hell of a
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time feeling great about the draft because everybody watched because
of one thing.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Now, I would allege earlier.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
Before I had this conversation that yeah, okay, NFL networks
high fiving. ESPN's high fiving. But deep down the NFL,
because all of their draft picks were overshadowed and many
of their pundits are embarrassed or are embarrassing, the NFL
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must be pretty red in the face. They can't be
happy about the way this went down. And the guy
I was with last night, who's an executive, said, are
you They don't care. They just want people to talk
about them. They love it. They're not embarrassed. They don't
have some kind of moral high ground that they're standing
on and saying, oh, we don't like this room for
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room for um. No, this was an embarrassment, but it
was also a gigantic victory for the NFL. These leagues
are always trying to become the biggest story of the week,
especially if they're not playing, like that's a huge bonus.
Off season, it's the biggest story of the week. The
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NBA off season kind of tried to create that in
the summer. So that's kind of the big picture of
what I thought after the weekend is this was a travesty.
Is anybody embarrassed by it? And the answer is no, nobody.
Nobody is embarrassed about it.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
You don't feel like the eventual crash out that was
going to take place by mel Kiper that took place
this draft weekend.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
You don't think he's embarrassed about that. Today, I go no.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
I mean, I don't know if he had any shame,
he would have tucked it in after.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
The Jimmy claws and stuff. You know, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
I mean, it's a whole different cottage industry, and mel
Kuiper has made the draft what it is. And again,
you know, I'm a guy in his basement screaming into
a microphone. I mean, I understand the level of interest.
I don't maybe I don't, but I look, this moved
the needle in a huge way, and the NFL and
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everybody else involved is taking a victory lap. I don't
know what Kuiper's like. He could be looking in the
mirror saying, you know, I hate you. I don't know,
but uh, but overall, it was, it was. It was
an event that I watched, and you know, usually I'm
semi interested in the draft as far as oh I
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know this player, Hey good for that guy, or hey,
that's what a cool story, but nothing to where I
was like riveted and people were texting me.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
He's not gonna go. He's not going you know, you know,
like he's not gonna go.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
We were all, you know, pretty pretty uh pretty glued
to it, and and there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
And you have to give the NFL whatever perverse kind of.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
Credit you'd want to give him. I mean, to me,
if you're Jackson Dart or any of these guys, and
everybody's having a temper tantrum when you get picked. Anybody
who got picked anywhere that they thought Shador Sanders was
gonna get picked.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
The panel had a temper tantrum. On day two.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Everybody seemed even Joel, who's a Colorado guy, Like everybody
seemed to get reeled in except for your brother with
the with the hair helmet.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
So Petros, would you see like the numbers and you
mentioned the interest, it's there and the viewership numbers up
over forty percent on day two from the previous year,
up over forty percent on day three from the previous year.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Yeah, I mean they wish they could create the every year.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Oh yeah, And so I look at it and I go.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
But this was a natural occurrence.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
I mean, this was a rebuke, a rebuke of the
NFL's front offices against the Shador Sanders and Dion Sanders.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
And how they went about this.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
I don't think he was a first round pick ever,
Like I really don't, But I don't think he would
have gone that deep. Had they not maybe, and they've
admitted it themselves, maybe they could have gone about this
in a different way. And I think that's probably in hindsight,
I think that that's what they would end up doing.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Doesn't also speak though, to there's like this is.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Why Colorado bringing in Dion Sanders like this, this was
part of it because we're talking about a fifth round pick.
And his rookie jersey sale is third amongst all draft picks.
I mean, he's the only non first round pick. And
it just goes to show you, like, man, Colorado was
desperate to have anything and to see the noise that
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comes along and the coverage that comes along with Dion
and Shador and man, we have brought up Travis Hunter,
who's the best player in the draft potentially. It just
tells me Colorado was right in.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
The move they made.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
It may never result in a national title, and Dion
could be the coach of the Browns in two years,
who the hell knows, But what they did was put
the program back on the map, and they did so
by way of Dion Sanders, who put his son and
his old brand on the map.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Again.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
Yeah, you can't argue with it. I mean you can
say that it's manufactured and the story is deeply.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Manufactured because it doesn't warrant.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
I mean I was a little offended just because everybody's like, well,
Colorado football's not done anything for twenty years.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
It's like, no, no, that's not true.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
They had a coach, the guy from San Jose McIntyre
or whatever. That guy had him in the Pac twelfth
championship game with Philip Lindsay and that big quarterback I
think his name was Montees or something.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
I mean, not that it's very memorable.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
To anybody else, but that was a higher performing team,
you know, in the last twenty years, in the last
ten years, than what Shadour and Travis Hunter and Dion
did just as far as you know X's and Ozen
on the field, that was.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Actually a better team.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Stephen Montes, Yes, Stephen Montes and and that's okay, I mean,
that's fine.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
This is this is a manufactured story. But what is it?
Speaker 8 (34:25):
Manufactured? Revenue, attention, television ratings, you know, all of these
different things, and.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
It's hard to argue with that now.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
Other than most of the points that everybody's already made.
I think it is interesting because this did prove one
point the media and whatever that is. You know, when
whatever your interpretation is, when you hear somebody say that word,
the media couldn't get this guy drafted. And I I
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think this was a little bit of a reprimand on
the media because the last time I saw the media
get a guy drafted out of place was Lonzo Ball, right,
And you had to be an idiot like Magic Johnson,
the same guy that traded away a vitza booth Zubats.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
You have to be somebody who was very naive to
fall into the.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
Media trap because he was local and all that, to
draft Lonzo Ball as opposed to Jason Tatum or de
Aaron Fox, you know, and I know about Markel Foltz
and all that, but he was a consensus number one.
And gms don't get fired if you pick the guy
that's a consensus number one because you just figure, yeah,
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everybody else would have picked him. It's not my fault.
So that's the only other time I've really seen like
just a huge media swell to get a guy drafted
out of place. And this seemed like a little bit
of a reprimand on on all the talk for months
and months that the NFL wasn't having it.
Speaker 7 (36:04):
Speaking of reprimands, p I mean the kid they did
the prank, he apologized.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
How problem that.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
I didn't know that that had been a thing.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Yeah he got cut, but like I didn't know.
Speaker 8 (36:18):
That that had happened last year and years before it
happened to another kid.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Well, I had no idea.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
I mean shouldn't something like the fact that it's it
got leaked by you know, uh an official will say
inside of the organization.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Shouldn't there be some type of consequence to it?
Speaker 8 (36:36):
I mean, I don't know what he want to do
to poor old brick. He's already I mean, he's already embarrassed.
I mean, his kids, embarrassed himself. And the kid has apologized.
I mean he got cut.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
I mean, should we have him stand somewhere like butts up?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Shame? Oh yeah, shame? What a rabbit butts up?
Speaker 7 (36:53):
Maybe seven seven canes? I don't, yeah, you know, shame,
you know, maybeg shame.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
I mean, isn't that happening? I mean, isn't he being
I mean, isn't it happening right now?
Speaker 7 (37:04):
If I'm the NFL, you don't want that to Like,
your biggest storyline was Shador Sanders, and that became a
part of the storyline. When he got everybody went running
for the phone and it's it's time.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I've been waiting for your call.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
Well you're gonna keep waiting, Like in the moment, it
shouldn't like it was kind of like maybe a tab it,
Like I don't want to admit.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
It was funny.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
I thought the whole thing was racial, to be honest
with you. But that's just all I'm gonna say. And
that's that's a whole another deal. That's that's that's a
whole nother deal. But anyway, I mean, I just feel
like there should be some type of repercussion if the
information that's a private line and that information gets out
where something like that can happen from an organization.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
I just listen.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
I think it's important that at some point, I know
it didn't happen this time, but at some point I
feel like we're gonna get a black quarterback drafted high.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I agree, petros, Oh, that's sarcasle I agree.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
What are you trying to say?
Speaker 4 (38:06):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 8 (38:06):
I mean, I just look when somebody goes like, you know,
this is because the kid wears chains and he raps,
and I was like, dude, if you took all the
guys out that wear chains and raps, you know, we
don't have a league, you know, I mean.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
We don't have anything to talk about, you know.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
I mean every guy that I know that I played
football with that was of a certain background, most of
them thought that they could do three things rap look
cool and jewelry and played basketball And the truth is
none of those things were true.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
They could just play football.
Speaker 8 (38:42):
I mean, our best basketball players were usually the guys
who played quarterback. They were tall, and they actually had
played high school basketball. Now, it's an amazing story. The
whole thing, LeVar is amazing, and there's so many different
avenues to take it. And I think that there's a
lot of social common and treat that comes along with it.
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That you know, if you feel a certain kind of
way about a certain kind of thing on one way
or the other, you can find something about this Shadeur's
story and make it a platform and attack others.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
I think it happens all the time in sports these days,
which is really unfortunate. We sort of lost our anonymity
with the political world and people use these stories.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Look at what happened to Saquon, right, what's your take
on that? I saw?
Speaker 7 (39:26):
You saw like they're attacking Saquon? Oh wait, you people
are attacking Saquon Like. I just don't understand why a
man can't live his life like you can have your
own political views and personal feelings, but why are you
projecting that on the Like we don't like, like Petros,
you don't have to live for somebody else, Like you
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don't have to give validation from somebody else.
Speaker 8 (39:50):
If my daughter wants to go to the Trump golf
course where they stamp the Trump name on the burger
and she likes the way it looks because she's nine,
I'm gonna take her. You know, I don't care what
somebody on the and Twitter might say. Uh No, I'm
I think you did a great job being a little
bit more. I guess just reasonable with his explanation as
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to what he was doing.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
I like, if he's not there, have a problem like, okay,
you're not inviting people like.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Be upset at that you're upset that he's there.
Speaker 8 (40:22):
No, I think you've come to a point where there's
a group of people who they're gonna think that you're
evil if you deal with uh, with the guy who
they elected president, and that's not I don't think that's
right either. It's obviously a hot button topic for a
lot of people because some people are just absolutely and totally,
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just gutturally opposed to anything that that guy does, whether
it's good or bad. So that that's a tough story.
And I hate the fact that athletes get sucked into that.
But you know, there is a bigger There is a
bigger picture when it comes to the shador thing, just
as far as him being not being drafted a high
or anybody in a professional league, whatever that league is.
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And you understand better than anybody else talking the pain
in the ass factor on one side of the scale,
and then the other side is how good is this guy?
Speaker 4 (41:20):
How much did he contribute?
Speaker 8 (41:22):
And once that pain in the ass factor starts to
outweigh that, how.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Good is this guy?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
And they're going to take you?
Speaker 8 (41:28):
People don't stick around very long, right, you know. I
mean I think about Yasiel Puig one of the biggest
stories that I've covered when since we've had the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
He disappeared every day.
Speaker 8 (41:39):
What's ple gonna do? What's ple gonna do? What did
look at the face he made? You know, But he'd
show up late and this and that and that was publicly. Privately,
you know, they couldn't get him to come home at night.
You know, they they they were struggling.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
It didn't granky like throw his stuff off a bus.
Speaker 8 (41:55):
Yeah, I mean they had a lot. Yeah, that wasn't
a book, and they struggled. You know that I had
a mentor living with them all this stuff. But the
second that his performance dropped below all the stuff you
have to do to keep this guy around because he's
a pain in the ass, he was gone. Kaepernick t Bow.
I mean, two different sides of the same coin. The
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second your story becomes bigger than what it's worth for
the actual team, they get rid of you. You know,
whether it's right or wrong, they get rid of you.
Who else Johnny Manzel, you know, I mean it just
goes on and on. This is a professional league. So
that part of it that made a lot of sense
to me. One thing I thought that was funny was
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my radio partner was like, you know, what do they
got Louis Vuton trunks in the corner?
Speaker 4 (42:43):
For what is that? Why do they have those just
stacked up? You know?
Speaker 8 (42:47):
And I was like, those are like fifty thousand dollars
a piece, and he's like, yeah, why do they have those?
Speaker 4 (42:52):
What is this?
Speaker 8 (42:53):
And I was like, well, you know, it's actually quite interesting.
I mean, Louis Vauton. If you're gonna have Louis Vauton
stuff like, that's the most authentic thing you could have
because that's what Louis Vuton actually made. Louis Vuitton was
a poor carpenter type. He was an artisan. He walked
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the seventy or whatever it is miles from Leon to Paris,
taking odd jobs on the way, and he became a
guy in Paris who made really bougie traveling trunks for
rich people who travel on boats and trains and stuff
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like that, where people would use a big ass trunk
and be gone. Yeah, months and months and months, and
those trunks that's what Louis Vuton.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Made for like one hundred years.
Speaker 8 (43:44):
Be more, you know, they started making sunglasses and hats
and purses and all the scarves and all the other stuff.
So I thought the Louis Vuton trunk choice was was a.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Very classy choice, you know, in the and then we
found out what was in it.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Straight cash, straight cash, homie, you know, the words of
the great Tony Bruno. That's beautiful, Louis Vuitton, knowledge man,
beautiful man, beautiful.
Speaker 8 (44:10):
I will say this though, I don't know, and the
honest question, I don't know if the cash in the trunks.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Could buy the trunk.
Speaker 8 (44:19):
Yeah, those sixty thousand bucks really, oh they're beautiful. Yeah,
you know, they're like, they're really like, you know, it's
like buying a piece of furniture.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
I think people would say that. And she doors got
two just scattered in the corner filled.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
With cat Yeah, they was opening them bad boys up.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Yeah, it's not from Cleveland cash, but it's Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
It's cash.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Petros Uh. Before we let you go, you got to
call your shot here. When the Lakers get eliminated by
the Timberwolves.
Speaker 8 (44:46):
What are you talking about there? Don't think that the
they'll have the refs help them out.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Well, I was gonna say when they do tonight. When
they do, it could be tonight, it could be Game six.
But when they do, first excuse you'll hear from the
Lakers about the loss will be.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
What, oh, we didn't have time to develop.
Speaker 8 (45:07):
They might throw JJ Reddick under the bus, because you know,
there's a reason nobody left their whole team out there
for the whole second half ever before ever. You know,
it's one thing to be innovative, it's another thing to
be stupid, like you're coaching a video game. You know,
Reddick's interesting. Had he overcame a lot of the negativity
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and very honest negativity about him, because he had no
coaching experience coming into this, and he overcame a lot
of that and drew a lot of praise from a
lot of people that were criticizing him. But the second
the playoffs has started, he's really shown his ass. I mean,
they got they were getting beat up in that first game,
and they do those in game interviews you know now,
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and he's like, listen, you know, we're just getting beat
This has nothing to do with schematics, nothing. It's like
you said it like three times and it's like, okay, dude,
we get it. You don't want to act like you're
being out coached. Whether it's true or not, it just
seems like he's he's got huge rabbit ears and I
just can't stand listening to him talk and he's That's
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probably where they'll blame it. They'll probably blame his lack
of playoff coaching experience, or they'll say, well, this team
just wasn't very built very well for the playoffs, and
Nico's gonna have a little victory lap in.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Dallas, right of course, and he deserves it every year.
Speaker 8 (46:28):
You know, the Clippers were looking good for a second there. Yeah,
and they're still alive. But and I guess they're they're
in better shape than the Lakers, right, Like, I guess
you could say that.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
And every year people are like, this is it?
Speaker 8 (46:42):
You know, come on, And every year I won't get
on the boat and I stand in the breakwater and
I watched the clipper ship explode in the harbor.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Yeah. Yeah, it's too bad, it really is. It's really
too bad.
Speaker 8 (46:57):
And this year it didn't even take Hawaii's like leg
falling up. It's just happening.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
That's been great, Kawhi, it's been great. It's just you know,
you just can't win. James Harden has vanished the last
couple of games.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
But Petros, we always appreciate such my ex at the
old pe. He is the great Petros papadakas the co
host of the Petros and Money Show, which you can
hear on at the Blowtorch, a M five seventy l
a Sports Fox college football analyst and a man who
brought the knowledge about Louis Vauton.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Here on the show. Yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
Pee.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
I have stacks of drachmas in my Louis Vauton.
Speaker 8 (47:33):
Oh yeah, I have a Louis Vuitton wallet. It's not
filmed with very much money.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Well, listen, maybe we'll uh that's a that's a holiday idea.
Maybe for Christmas, we'll uh, we'll line you up with something.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
For all these appearances, thanks Petros, so they compensated. The
great Petros Papadakas with us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Be sure to catch lived of two Pros and a
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Speaker 4 (48:10):
Is it a horse name or horse crap? All right?
Speaker 3 (48:21):
It's Kentucky Derby time.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
And what that means is we've got a list of
names here. It's either an actual horse name, it's completely
made up, and it's horse crap. We've got LeVar versus
Brady LeVar. You are the defending champions, so you get
the honors here. Would you like to go first or
go second?
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Let's let him go first? You all right?
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Sticks?
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Picks so good picks?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
All right?
Speaker 3 (48:51):
So Brady, now didn't.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Just to be clear on this, these are all if
it's an actual name of a horse, these are horses
not running in the Kentucky Derby, but they are running
at Churchhill downs this weekend. All right, So is this
a horse name or is this horse crap? Brady Quinn
up first, and the first name for you, sir, is
table flirt.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Okay, all right. So that's a tough one because that
could be misconstrued as any one of our members of
our crew. All right, it could be Jonas LeVar, myself.
We've eaten out enough. We're pretty friendly when we sit
down to eat and grub together, table flirts. I'm gonna
go with horse name.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
That is correct.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Congratulations, Brady, you are on the board, and we go
over to LeVar. Now, who's next up?
Speaker 3 (49:42):
LeVar?
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Horse name or horse crap? Fall down, drunk?
Speaker 7 (49:49):
I bite you one last year you, Jonas, and I
appreciate and I appreciate.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
The easy loab on this one. But I'm gonna say
it is a a horse name. So it's horse crap.
It's horse crap. That is correct. Yeah, horse that was
that was a love. That was a love. I'll take it,
all right.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
So things will get a little bit more difficult here
for Brady Quinn, who is next up here? The horse
name or horse crap, Brady Quinn, the name for you
is trot Shapiro.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
First, off shout out. Congrats to Scott Shapiro, our boss
for the Minnesota Timberwolves getting to the second round. Is
this is for the third time in my thirty years
or something. I think he was sweeting about it.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Yeah, in fact about happy before you, Scott.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Minnesota's got a shot and maybe to make a little
run here. So we'll see. That is a horse crap
though it's not a horse name.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Correct. That is horse crap trot, Shapiro, not an actual
name of a horse. Shapiro. Over to LeVar Arrington. LeVar,
you are next up here on this edition of Horse
Name or Horse Crap, and the name for you is
naked I.
Speaker 7 (51:03):
Naked Eye sounds like it should be a horse's name,
So I'm going to lean towards.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (51:10):
What horse what?
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Or horse?
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Horse name or horse crap. Yeah, I'm gonna go with
horse name.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
That is correct. Congratulations, LeVar. You guys are perfect thus far.
So now we go back over to Brady Quinn. Here, Brady,
the name I just gave LeVar was naked Eye. The
name I've got for you is naked Guy.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
That sounds more like Lee on a Wednesday night. I'm
gonna say that's horse crap.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Jonas, You're correct, You are correct, and you guys are
perfect here. By the way, I don't know why I
Lee caught astray out of all people here on this show.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
We're trying to have your own, all right, So LeVar.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Next up for you here on this edition of Horse
Name or Horse Crap? Lee dirt napput bunch here.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with with horse crapp. You are
well the perfect there. You guys are off and running
here on this edition of Horse Name or Horse Crap?
Is it exactly the easiest one?
Speaker 7 (52:15):
I will admit that was the easiest one ever in
the history so far took number one.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Is it an actual horse name of a horse racing
at Churchill Downs this weekend? Or completely made up? Next
up is Brady Quinn. We are tied at three apiece.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
Brady. The name for you, sir, is diddy up.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
Oh No, I mean I hope they I hope that's
not a horse's name. I really do. I don't know.
Maybe maybe he's got one running in there? Is he
in jail? Where's he at right now?
Speaker 3 (52:47):
I don't know, Yes, he's down, just turned down his peaking. Oh,
I'll turn down.
Speaker 4 (52:53):
All right, I'm gonna say horse crap at least I
hope it's horse crap.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
It's not a name that is correct, Brady, when that
is a made up horse name. So we go back
over to Lvar here solely from cuff up LeVar. The
next LeVar. The next name for you here is ivory
and ebony.
Speaker 7 (53:14):
Oh so it's a black and white horse mixed together
that gave you ivory and ebony.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
I'm going to go with horse name. You are good, sir,
That is correct. All right, Brady.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
We are getting late in the game here, and speaking
of which, the name for you her by the name
for you here, Brady, is too late to castraight horse.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
Name or horse crap that just that just took the cake.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
That just took the cake, horse crape LeVar final one
here to tie the game.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
The name for you, sir, is into pleasure horse name
or horse crap.
Speaker 7 (53:53):
Oh no, that's a goot one. That's a good one.
I'm gonna say horse. I'm gonna say horse name.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
That is correct. Are we have tied it? Which brings
us to our tiebreaker horse to try and win.
Speaker 4 (54:13):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
This year's edition of horse name or horsecraft. So here's
how it works. I'm going to give the name. It's
either the name of a horse racing at Churchill Downs
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
Or it's completely made up.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
In order to take a guess, you have to ring in,
buzz in with your first name. You can't shout out
horse name, horsecrap, it doesn't count. You've got to buzz
in with your name. Your name is your buzzer. And
that's how we will decide who will get the opportunity
to win the game and the twenty twenty five Kentucky
Derby edition of horse Name or horse crap. So, if
(54:55):
you guys are ready, I have the tiebreaker name.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
For you here. All right, here we go. Brady, are
you ready?
Speaker 4 (55:03):
I think I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
Yeah, the name is hold on, hold on, hold on,
you said, Brady, Is he ready?
Speaker 7 (55:11):
As if you're singular singular singling him out?
Speaker 3 (55:15):
No, no, no, for him to do it. I was
making sure that both of us having to say, yeah,
your name is your buzzer.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
I will give the name of the.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
Horse, because I wasn't sure what you did right there?
You all right, Okay, you.
Speaker 4 (55:25):
Have to explain to him because he because when Wivar
is not here. That's when we do the headliner, Lie,
and that's how we do the tie breaker on Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
So's tie break.
Speaker 4 (55:34):
I got it all right, got it? So here we
go it.
Speaker 3 (55:37):
Get ready, there we go. Hands on the buzzer. The
name is Orchids of Hasia.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Brady, Brady Quinn, you're in first, Brady, is that a
horse name or horse crap?
Speaker 4 (55:55):
That sounds like horse crap?
Speaker 2 (55:56):
The Jonas to me, Orchids of Asia is made up,
believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
And Brady Quinn, you are the winner of this year's edition.
Have horse name or horse craft? I'm out another doing
any grin? Why not? Why not?
Speaker 4 (56:17):
I just love how Jonas really flexed his creativity of
those names this year. I mean, would you have one?
One horse? One actual horse? Sell is a part of it?
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Table flirt, naked eye. It was really weak into pleasure.
I thought that one was gonna trip LeVar out into pleasure.
Sounds like something moving and ivery and ebony. That was
an actual horse name. It was a good one racing
later on today at Churchill Downs. So congratulations, there's the
(56:45):
there's the when for Brady Quinn here on horse name
or horse crabt
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