May 10, 2025 • 55 mins
This week on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Ravens release Justin Tucker. The guys break news on the Cowboys trading for WR George Pickens. And the Old P, tries to save the rivalry between USC and Notre Dame. All that and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with LaVar As Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
The Baltimore Ravens have made a decision, and that decision
is Justin Tucker. It's been nice to know anybody, uh
and and that is that. That is that for the
time of Justin Tucker as a Baltimore Raven. A long
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legendary career from from Justin Tucker there in Baltimore and
the Ravens released a statement this from Eric Tacosta, their GM.
Sometimes football decisions are incredibly difficult, and this is one
of those instances. Considering our current roster, We've made the
tough decision to release Justin Tucker. He created many significant
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and unforgettable moments in Raven's history. His reliability, focused drive, resilience,
and extraordinary talent made him one of the league's best
kickers for over a decade. We are grateful for Justin's
many contributions while playing for the Ravens. We sincerely wish
him and his family the very best in this next
chapter of their lives. Not not not talked about in
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that little description was the NFL investigation that's still ongoing
because he's been accused of sixteen different massage therapists in
the Baltimore area for the inappropriate actions we mentioned.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
You just got to read in between the like you
got it like kind of you know, listen to what
he's saying. Yeah, the memorable memory he's done. You know,
a couple of things here.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Do you guys feel like when a team makes a
decision like this, they're on the cusp of either punishing
him or finding out like they know more information. There's
something that's going to come out next.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
He's too good to be for it not to be that, right, Well, he.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Was too good until last rough year.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, but weren't you guys the one saying that. That's
probably why he was struggling because in the back of
his mind, he's like, man, there's a lot of pressure
on me right now, he can't read the masseuse is
catching up to me, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And here's the worst part is, let's say, for example,
this is it feels hard again? Okay, like that, let's
go back. Let's go back, because you have to approach
it the same way we did with DeShawn Watson. Where
there's there's smoke, there's got to be fire there. It's
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just it's too many. I mean for starters. I'll go
back to the same thing I said about the Shawn
Watson situation. Why there's so many damn therapists, Like he's
been in Baltimore for how long and he's got that
many therapists. Like that's a problem. I understand if you're
trying to find one that you like and you can
kind of work with, because eventually, like they need to
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know your body, they know your routine and how you know,
to kind of fix you when things are wrong.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
The problem is now is like every single massage.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Therapist he ever, or you know, place he goes to, spa, whatever,
is always going to look at him as you know,
what's he gonna do here we go, whether he's being
good or not. But clearly there is something going on,
like there's there's it's too many massage therapists to not
think that that something had to have been going on.
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I wonder if there's like sixteen others who would come
in his defense and then and then that makes it
even look more ridiculous. So I feel like there's something
that's going to drop, whether it's punishment, whether something else
comes out there's gonna be something else there that's gonna
come out Otherwise, I'm not really.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Sure what this road leads for.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Justin Tucker. I mean, he's a Hall of Fame kicker.
He just didn't take that away last year.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Like if one came out and said, hey, he was
inappropriate to be like, all right, and you found enough evidence,
like no, okay, yeah, that's not great. Multiply that by sixteen,
like what's the defense here? Samely with Deshaun Watson, what's
the defense? Oh listen, that number is outrageous. All right,
I'll tell you what. We'll cut it in half. Let's
call it even. We'll make it thirty thirty accusations.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
All right?
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Is everything better now? Like if it was only.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Eight, if it was four, if it was one, like
the whole thing like it just it doesn't add up
that that many people at that many different locations would
publicly want to burn a bridge with an athlete unless
there was something to it. Like it just none of
it makes any sense. And I remember talking to Jerry Coleman,
who covers the Ravens in Baltimore, and I thought the
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same thing, like, oh, now we know why he was
struggling and his thought on it was this was one
of the worst kept secrets in Baltimore. A lot of
people knew about it. And he said, the reason this
stuff started to come out last year is because people
were trying to figure out why he was struggling, and
they threw out the theory, Oh, maybe it's because he
needs to go back to his old ways, and that's
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when that stuff started to fire back up, and all
of a sudden, all these people are like, oh, yeah,
me too. It's multiple times over and just like the
Watson stuff, it's all the same story. Now, the details
of the story probably not suitable for for radio, but
we'll just say he left a parting gift in most
of the encounters.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Is there and this is just me trying to see
both sides?
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Is there the chance?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Is there the chance that there is a trend that
is being created in terms of like this is becoming
popular culture to to actually pile on and have these
types and listen, I'm not saying it because I believe it,
like full disclosure, let me just give my disclamor I'm
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not saying I believe it. I'm just saying, is there
the chance? Because you're starting to see it's just like
and look it is what it is. It's almost like
the me too movement. Right you start to see like, oh,
so I can benefit from from this. I get the
benefit of the doubt in this scenario. Let me throw
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my hat into the ring. Maybe I'll settle for fifty K.
I mean, I definitely might have been, you know, consensual
in the situation whatever took place. But now that I
think about it, maybe I wasn't consensual. Let me you know,
let me jump in on this. There's more validity to it.
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And in most cases, my name isn't going to come out.
And because there are some that may get settled, they
don't want to hear what I gotta say.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
So I'm gonna catch it. I'm gonna cash a check too.
It could be a quick.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Come up because people be popping up, people pop up
this whole the ladies that's talking about Shannon right now,
where's she come from?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Like this?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I think the dude was still playing ball when when
the stuff.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Happened with that lady?
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Oh is there a new one?
Speaker 5 (07:08):
There's a new one.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And she's like all out here, like you know, all
I'm saying is is there the chance is there a
chance that this could be misunderstandings in the situation.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Is there a chance sixteen of them? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
But here's what I'll say, is I understand what you're asking.
I think the quickest way of describing it is or
massage therapists in this case sing an opportunity. And that's
really what this comes down to. I tend to say, no,
this is not them singing like. That's not the issue
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of what's happening right now. The issue is there's players,
there's guys who feel like it's it's okay and they're comfortable,
you know, going in there and thinking that it's not
just about you know, getting you know, a massage, like
there should need more to that, and that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I couldn't agree with you. I just thought i'd introduce
it to the conversation. I mean, I agree with but
I'm just saying we do live in a culture in
a society now, whereas hey, man.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I'm not trying I'm not trying to focus on any
any one group of people, but I'm just saying I
got a lot of Heathens from Jersey and there's certain
guys that I know that you know, that's how they
if you have a massage, you know, it's just that's just
how it is.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Here's my thing.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Though, there are like like bobby orchids, right, there are
places where, if that's what you're thinking, they exist. It's
the red open sign that's on twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
What's side you're talking about. It's called open, That's what.
That's all I'm saying, Like, what sign? That's all I heard.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I ain't never seen the No, that's not my deal,
that's not mine, that's not my cup of tea. But
what I will say is, I mean up League went
to the Holland Wolf every freaking night when we were
in New Orleans. And it's like to go to a
place called the Howling Wolf in a place like New Orleans.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
You put those two and two together, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
That's That's what I was in my hotel the entire time,
but different there in the in the lobby or in
my room the entire time.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
There's the entire time.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
There's a big difference between a massage parlor and the handhouse,
like they're just there feels like two different things there.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
And you know when you're going in.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Go to if you go to a legitimate massage place
like a spa, and you're there they are told, like
to me, super professional. Anytime I've ever gone to like
a place like Equinox, I used to go to Equinox.
I was a member there for quite some time. Yeah,
they had massage, massage, massage rooms stuff like that. You
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go in there and you get to you have conversations
with the person. I could see if a person like
got caught up into the conversation while they're getting rubbed
down and and and they're they're they're hitting those different
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algor regions, outer regions, stuff like that, and while you're talking.
It's because massage masseuses are like barbers.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
They're like your therapists.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Like you start to open up to them about things
that you got going on, like, oh man, I gotta
pay these bills, da da job stinks this that and
the other My mom called me said she needs me
to bring.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Her over this that.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
You start talking to them, you like, you start because
they want you to relax, like they're trying to get
you to relax. And there's a fine line in there
where you gotta understand, like, bro, like this is not
a strip club, This is not a what.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Do you call it a hand? What place?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I mean, you could call it a couple of grape?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Well that's you know to me, you got to understand
you can't forget that this is a.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Yank whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
One thousand hands dressing.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, a thousand hand dressing. I don't get it.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
It's a lot of hands, like thousand island.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
But yeah, all Lorenda, what are your thoughts on this?
I mean, it's my god, it feels like with sixteen
people coming out, there's gotta be more smoke. Is you know,
something more there?
Speaker 7 (11:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:34):
I mean I I see it.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
But at the same time, I know people in this
day and age and the fact that it was one
of those once someone said it, then they all started
coming up.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I always feel it's real.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Fishy when they do that. Yeah, why not just do
it in the moment like, hey, this happened today.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Band be camps Like this.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Guy, you know, made me feel uncomfortable? Whatever the heck?
Why does there have to be a thousand hands in
this dressing? Like, I don't know, Like, why does there
have to be so many before someone speaks up?
Speaker 6 (12:05):
That doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's a great point. Here's here's another valid point of
the whole situation. If you go into a place and
somebody does start to try and attempt that, you can't
say no, Like you can't say, yeah, I'm not here
for that.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
What else?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, you're already getting paid for a session anyway. And
if they're going to say I want my money back,
you're going to be like, really, buddy, you do have
options here. You really want your money back. That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
It all says just a little fish.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You're not being held against your will. Yeah, I just
but I will say this. I believe that he's going
to get another job. You do, Okay, what's out a doubt? Yeah,
he's too talented. He's too talented not to get out.
And this was twenty twelve to twenty sixteen. I think
a team's going to justify. It was a long time ago.
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The NFL has done their investigation, blah blah blah. I
just know that it's not going to be the Patriots
and it's not going to be the Browns. But that
does leave options, like there are there are twenty nine
other teams.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
It's a silly looking dude, though, isn't he Like I mean,
when you put the stories together and you look at him,
it's like, man, he does look like a little Creeper's wait, man,
nice's just my silly looking dude. You'll get your silly
looking ass out of here. Damn he's my teammate. Like
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what you doing? What bro silly looking at it?
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Damn that's Baltimore man.
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Speaker 6 (13:49):
I would like to start off by apologizing.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
There's a lot of sarcasm, but I want to apologize
to one Jerry Jones. He was talking about a substantial
trade being done this offseason. I thought he was just
full of crap, and he was having a couple of
iced teas, maybe with a little bit of booze mixed in,
and he just threw out a bunch of stuff to
try and please Cowboy fans who are not happy about
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the current state of the team.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
And then all of a sudden, this went down.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Breaking news from Fox.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Sports, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Dallas Cowboys
and Pittsburgh Steelers are working to finalize a trade that
will send wide receiver George Pickens to the Cowboys in
exchange for draft pick compensation. The trade is expected to
be finalized today. It's the second time in six months
the Cowboys have traded for a wide receiver. In November,
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the Cowboys acquired wide receiver Jonathan Mingo and a twenty
twenty five seventh round pick from the Panthers in exchange
for a twenty twenty five fourth round pick. Now the
Cowboys are dealing for another receiver, George Pickens. Schefter went
on to say soon to be Cowboys wide receiver George
Pickens is headed into the last year of his contract
and we'll want a new deal. His agent happens to
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be David Mullagetta, whose name Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said
he did not know while talking about a new deal
from Micah Parsons.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That's the substantial trade Jerry Jones was talking about, and
apparently it'll be George Pickens later today to the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
So I won't Mason glory Hill.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Oh wow, Okay, thank you all right, Easy there, Jerry,
don't get too excited now. This this makes a lot
of sense. You mentioned they did this last year and
training for Mingo. I don't know that they got what
they were hoping for out of Jonathan Mingo, but you
add Pickens alongside Ceedee Lamb and that's quite the tandem.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
So I think they've got they've got what they're looking for.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Look, they didn't spent a draft pick on a wide
receiver in this year's draft, and that maybe led to
some signs that there was something in the works or
that they were going to address it in some capacity.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
We knew this was a.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Potential issue, not just because of how last season ended
for Pittsburgh, but also when you bring in DK Metcalf,
there's probably a thought that, well, George Pickens can't be
excited about having to share the ball or maybe being
the number two receiver to DK Metcalf and some of
their other options there in.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Pittsburgh with that trade.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
So it makes a lot of sense from you know,
trying to get an extension how things have may be
gone there in Pittsburgh so far, but also the need
of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
So look at Jerry Man, a man of his word.
We gotta we gotta trust him with it.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
It certainly will be must see TV because Cede Lamb
does not like when he does not get the ball.
And by what we've seen out of how George Pickens
handles things. Who who I mean, I guess it's gonna
come down to how they situate the lockers make I guess,
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make sure you put Ceedee Lamb and and and George
Pickens strategically right next to one another in the locker
room so that they can talk and have Kumbaya moments
and stuff like that and be okay going on to
the field. But like I said, I never met a
receiver that wasn't always open, and I never met a
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receiver that got enough balls. Pause and and you you know,
listening to the SoundBite that we heard from from Elak
Neighbors the other the other day, and listening to him
talk about, you know, you got three receivers, you got
a tight end, you may release a back. You're talking
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about five options of throwing the ball to Will there
be enough balls for ceed Lamb and George Pickens to
catch in Dallas? And how does that? How does that work.
I think that that's going to be when this happens,
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that's going to be one of the singular biggest things
that Brian Schottenheimer and co. Will have to manage as
it applies to what you're doing with this group, And
as far as as I'm concerned with the Steelers, you
are getting out of a situation where, you know, maybe
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maybe they've already maybe he's made it clear, Pickings and
his representation have already made it clear that they're not
playing without a new contract, and the Steelers don't want
to do it. So this is something that they're they're
doing out of a necessity. But is this Steelers team
putting themselves in position to win this year? If I'm
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looking at this current Steelers team where they are at
right now, that will have to be an emphatic no,
they're not. So is this a rebuild year, like in
the truest sense of rebuild, because I don't know how
they're going to compete in such a competitive division with
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what what their roster looks like today.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Does that change if Aaron Rodgers signs there, well, who
is he throwing it to?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Well, you still have DK Calvin Metcalfe Calvin Ailson stepped
up as a gadget. You know, they drafted Robert Watson
last year, a fine rookie season, and then don't forget,
they signed Robert Woods and he's still to me, got
a lot left in the tank.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I mean, do you feel confident in those names?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I mean, you had friar youth to that.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
If you look at their backfield, their run game, yeah,
and they've got kind of don't forget, they've got Cordero
Pattison as a returner slash kind of a slash player
for them too in this offense.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I think they have enough for me. That's who your
quarterback is.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
If you get Aaron Rodgers, that might be talking me
slightly off the ledge, But just because it is Aaron Rodgers,
I'm gonna stay with my feet on the ledge because
I don't know what type of player a I'm going
to get or what's going to happen with him being
the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
If they were really planning on rebuilding there, they wouldn't
have traded for DK Metcalf and they wouldn't have even
had this conversation or waiting game with Rogers. They just say,
all right, let's tear it down to the studs and
let's go. But I think they do believe Rogers are
going to be there. And if he's there, yeah, they
got a shot.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
What if he's not good?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
What if he what if he's what if he's not
up to the standard of what you need your quarterback
to be At this point in his career, it's very
possible that he doesn't live up to the standard and
the expectations. So if he doesn't, does it just mean up?
Speaker 5 (20:37):
That's it?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Who's up next, Who's who's behind him, who's backing him up?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
The goal shouldn't be is he good enough to win
you a super Bowl? The goal should be is he
good enough to keep Mike Tomlin's winning season record?
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Attack? See you.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Listen, I'm half kidding, No, you're not half kids. I
do believe that that's that's a major story here. You're
being a smart as you're doing like that. They really
do hold on to that. That's like precious gold Mike
Tomlins just like the Ravens, like preseason record like that's
like always a note. I mean, I don't think it's
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about him getting a winning record. It is one hundred
about them winning the AFC North and being a favorite
as they approach the playoffs. That's being a contender. I mean,
they're not going to win the.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Division, but they could be a playoff team.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Well that's the expectation.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
And if that's not what's being sold, and if that's
not what they're they're seeking to achieve, then that's going
to put a lot of pressure on on corporate, you know,
to make decisions. They're going to have to decide what
they're going to do because I don't think winning seasons
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is crazy to think that, but which because it does
make sense in the old NFL, especially it makes sense
I mean not too long ago. I mean you look
at what what Marvin Lewis was able to do. Uh, hell,
Jason Garrett was there for for a while. You can
look at numerous coaches that have had a long, long
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leash in terms of what they're able to do just
because the team is winning and and you don't get
they don't get rid of coaches. But I don't know
that that's going to continue to last in Pittsburgh. I
don't know if that's the catalyst or that's deciding factor.
I got to just have a winning record this year.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I got a bad feeling about this George Pickens and Dallas.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
That's that's I think it's the underrated conversation is I mean,
he's gonna go wild at Dallas.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I mean he was already not happy, you know, in
Pittsburgh they had to talk to him multiple times over.
Now he's gonna be in Dwadallas with no extension in place.
He's gonna have to deal with Ceedee Lamb being the
top target. Jake Ferguson's there. He gets a bunch of
balls thrown his way. So you've got that in Dallas,
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no contract extension and an agent who the owner has
already said, I don't know who that guy is. This
this thing could go sideway to go back. It really
could go with a first time head coach. He just
moves moved chairs in the locker room because he thought
that would ignite him fire.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Under some people, this thing could be a disaster.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
George Pickens, locker's gonna.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Be which about the way people are getting upset about
me saying that that's wow. To stand on that hill
and die on like I'm with them. That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Here's the thing is, it's hard to and I get
it because it does sound goofy, but I have you back.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
And when we talked about yes, I mean they don't
understand it.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I don't think there's a sentimental especially like again I
use Daryl Green as an example. Darryl Green was probably
on year like sixteen or something like that when I
got there seventeen, I mean eighteen something like that. This
man had his locker, the same locker for probably fourteen
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or so years of that time. And to shake it up,
you're going to move that man's locker without having the conversation.
I'm not saying don't don't shake things up or move
things around or whatever, but you need to understand that.
And he does Schottenheimer one hundred percent. He's been around
it too long. You got to talk to your vets
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on stuff like that. When there's things where there's routine created,
like don't compare this to your office building, don't compare
it to your profession. Don't compare it because it's not comparable,
and I'm sorry it's not. But when you have created
a habit and this is your place, and you've earn't
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the right to be a veteran where you've been in
that organization for so long, where you've established. Like, imagine
if you came in there, maybe this one works better
instead of Daryl Green. Maybe people don't relate to it.
Imagine if you came in and told Tom Brady or
Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes that they got to use
a different locker.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
Like some of these guys had. Like didn't Tom Brady
have two lockers.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
One with his stuff and one for stuff that he signed,
like dude had. Some of these dudes had more than
one locker, like like to act like there's some type
of like, oh, just shut up and play football, Like
that's not how it works. Oh, yes it is. Nothing
else has worked in Dallas. Well you know what, that
ain't gonna ad. That's certainly probably gonna add to the
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list of things that didn't work.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, but you can't like these are like I'm telling
some of these fans here you go, they've got Stockholm syndrome.
They'll just buy whatever the organization sells them because they
have no choice, Like oh yeah, yeah, no, this is
a great idea. They can't just be critical that. Nah,
so desperate the Cowboys fans are, Yeah, for real.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
You chose to chose to come for me over lockers
being shifted and changed. Screw you, damn Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Take that.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
By the way, Jordan Schultz, who is up and awake
and he is tweeting about the deal. Uh, he did
say that it is a third round pick back to
the Steelers and day three pick swap for the Cowboys
in exchange for George Picketts.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
They do not think very highly of him. You know,
that's kind of the going rate though, is that the
going right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
You look at some of the veteran receivers who want
a new deal, they go for about a third and
something like a third and fifth.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Didn't it? Was it ab Remember they sent a b
to the Raiders. Wasn't that for a third and fifth?
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Was it really good?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah, there's been there's been a number of receivers that's
been It's been somewhere in that somewhere in.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
That standing to be corrected.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Hey, what he was at the height of his career
when he left, when he left Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Right now, there was baggage there, which I think we're
all a baggage.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, yeah, but so maybe the playing aspect of it
was that true.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
But who knew One of the things though on the outside,
I think we don't value third round picks as much
as teams do. I mean, that's one of the reasons
why there's compensatory picks, and when teams get those third
round compensatory picks, it's huge. But you're talking about getting
a top one hundred player. I mean, when we say
that like that, that's the reality. Like you're talking about
getting a top one hundred prospect in the NFL Draft,
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the best out of college, then you're gonna get for
much cheaper. And so if a team is willing to
say to you, all right, here's what we're willing to
do with our organization. We are willing to give a
guy away who we feel like might be you know,
he's a thousand yard receiver, a really good player, but
we don't feel like he's going to be worth the
money and the headache that comes along with him. We'd
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rather take another player at that third round spot. He's
going to be cheaper, and we feel like we'll be
able to produce just as much, or we can find
a starter at that position, you know, just as easily
as we can pay George Pickens and then deal with
all that.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
So well, I get it.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I guess it was fun while it last did, Buddy,
good luck to you so long. Yeah, well, listen, George
Pickens is in Dallas. The Steelers got some draft capital
and now they just wait, wait, wait on Aaron Rodgers.
Hopefully that'll get done soon. But again, apologies to Jerry Jones.
He said it, he did say it, and they made
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a move and now we just wait for the fireworks.
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
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Speaker 3 (28:44):
So again if you're just listening in. I mean, he
was a second round draft pick too. It was not
like he was a first rounder. He was in the
second round. He's talented though, man, he is talented.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
George Pickens expected to be traded and finalized later today.
George Pickens on his way from Pittsburgh to Dallas. He
will be a Dallas Cowboy in exchange for some draft picks.
That was the breaking news that just popped up a
short time ago. Here on Fox Sports.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
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Speaker 2 (29:21):
We kick off our three of this Wednesday edition per usual,
with the one and only Petros Papadakis. He is the
co host of the Petros and Money Show, which you
can hear on the Blowtorch AM five to seventy LA Sports,
a Fox College football analyst and you can find him
on x at the old p Petros. Good morning, out morning,
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Hello to everybody, Good morning, sir. So we were kind
of kicking around the news that came out that Notre
Dame and Clemson we're going to have this long rivalry
starting in twenty twenty seven. They're going to go all
the way up until twenty thirty eight.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
Rivalry.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Yeah there, they're going to be playing each other annually.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
And yeah, apparently they have to start a new one
because there's some old ones that some of the athletic
directors want to get out of.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Yeah, what's with that?
Speaker 8 (30:09):
Well, I don't think it's the AD. I don't think
the AD at USC wants to get out of it,
Jen Cohen. But Lincoln Riley's talked about getting out of
it a whole bunch, and that's what he said to me.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
It's shameful.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
It's probably as embarrassing as Lincoln Riley's kind of been
after year one. It's probably one of the worst things
I think that USC type of people point to where
they say, this guy doesn't understand our tradition. This guy
doesn't understand what it is to coach here and what
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this place, football wise, is known for. I mean, USC
Notre Dame is a great I know that there's so
many things that have gone by the wayside, the backyard brawl,
the Holy War, Oklahoma versus Texas bedlam is now gone,
and I just those things are all unfortunate, and when
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they bring back the rivalries, it's always great. It's kind
of hard to imagine with the seismic shifts that we've
kind of seen in the last decade plus in college
football that these things could keep happening. But it is
shameful that Lincoln Riley talks about getting rid of Notre
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Dame USC. But just because you play somebody every year
doesn't make it a rivalry. It just means you play
them every year. It's not a rival you that I
was offended by that, but I'm well, I mean it
should be exciting. I mean, there are two great programs with.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
And I think here's what younger the younger generation would say,
is like in recent history, it's it's kind of become
like quasi of a of a rivalry because of how
good the programs have both been, how tight the games
have been they've played in. And I think that's really
look they're trying to everyone's always trying to make something
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out of something, right, Like they're trying to make a
new rivalry if you can do that in today's age,
And I think that's what they're more.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Trying to say. This is starting to become.
Speaker 8 (32:24):
Trying to manufacture something as opposed to looking at one
hundred plus years of your history. Sounds about right for
modern day college football.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
And it's like the Kardashian effect. Yeah, it's the same thing.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
We keep eating the meal that they tell us to eat.
And you know what, if Notre Dame's playing Clemson, everybody's
gonna watch. If it's a good game, it's going to
be very exciting. There's no doubt about it. I don't
think Notre Dame USC is going to go away. When
it does, we can talk about it.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
But what Okay, let me ask you this.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
Thinking about it is wrong and I disagree with it.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Okay, So so I want to I want to ask
you this then, because who ultimately makes the decision. I mean,
if Jen Cohen's the athletic director, does she and she hires.
Speaker 8 (33:10):
The TV the TV companies sadly.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Yeah, but this is different.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
This is different because the Big ten is not going
to say no, we don't want you to play Notre
Dame because you and I both know that allows let's
be let's be real about it. It allows Fox, NBC
and CBS to potentially have.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
One of those games.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they don't want it to end. No, no,
so then I don't think it will. I mean, if
if somebody ends it, it will be from the influence
of Lincoln Riley, who is about as usc as Caid
McNown I mean, in my opinion, like Lincoln Riley is
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not as Caid catch a straight.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
Yeah, I saw, I saw Corey Pause was old. You
started thirty seven games at U c l A at
the uh yeah, at the Beach Life festival over the weekend.
So we we talked a little bit. It was nice
to catch up with him coming.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
I mean, Caid's still really from that Miami loss, and
you got a.
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Kid McNown Yeah sure, but uh you know Kate, Yeah sure.
But overall, top to bottom, I think that if if
Lincoln Riley was winning eleven games a year and competing
in the Big Ten for a championship, or people actually
thought that, or there was a bunch of buzz around
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USC's program, or a quarterback that they have or anything,
maybe maybe they would take him more seriously when he
talks about ending the Notre Dame rivalry. But I think
that's a guy who's got to win a lot more
if he's going to talk about the Notre Dame rivalry
or or what it's like to coach at USC ever
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as far as what their traditions are and what you're
supposed to do as a USC head coach.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
And I think a lot of that kind of escapes him.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
If he had won, if he's had more success, maybe
they'd take him a little bit more seriously. But I'm
not sure who takes him seriously When he talks about it.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
It sounds like an air rate approach. Is that a
fair way of putting him?
Speaker 8 (35:11):
Yes, everything weak and offensive is an air rate approach.
JJ Reddick is an air raid in him. No, we
don't need a big guy. Look, we're in it offensively.
Look we almost took the lead at one point. We're fine.
My philosophy is great. This has nothing to do with
my philosophy to shape. Yeah, yeah, no, I got a
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forty year old and a fat guy. Let's play him
the whole time.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Dang, what was your memories like Petros Like you guys
didn't do well against Notre Dame when you were in
school all that.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
That's not true.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
We beat Notre Dame in a ninety seven on a
field goal.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
That's true. Then you beat him again. That wasnighting. And
then we were out there in ninety eight and uh,
you beat him no, no, and to nothing.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
Yeah, ten nothing. We beat him ninety eight here, and
then in ninety nine I was out there lost, I
was hurt, and there was like one of the great
comebacks in the history of the rivalry after a big
a big lead that we had built.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
That was that was upsetting.
Speaker 8 (36:16):
And then in two thousand they beat us here with
what was the name of the white guy.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
The vecchio matt leo.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
Oh, yeah, some try hard puck ass quarterback in the
great number ten.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Yeah, and we got beat.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
So but what were your memories connected to it, Like,
is there anything in particular that.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
You remember if you want to talk about it. I
don't know. I would loved about it before. I love dying, Yeah,
I would love it. Like it's on life support. They've
called him hospice and the robbery is dead.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
The rivalry is not dead, damn it. I saw Bob
Davey hit the ground.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (36:55):
There used to be a tighter tunnel.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
I turned that job.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
Yeah, from what I understand, there was a tighter tunnel
in Notre Dame Stadium when I was playing than there
is now.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
They might even have them come out of opposite tunnels
or something. Yeah, Actually the tunnel's never changed. They have
the away team now come out through a different tunnel.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
Got it, so they can avoid some of the yeahles,
We were lined up like opposite Notre Dame, like literally
on one side of the tunnel and they were on
the other side of the tunnel. What would you be saying,
I got I mean, this was nineteen ninety seven and
I was very I was young. You know, this was
my first trip out there, never never been there before,
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and it's a it's an overwhelming place to take the field.
At least it was for me as far as the
cradle of college football and watching USC Notre Dame my
whole life, and hearing the song and the big Midwestern
sky and all that. For a kid from Los Angeles area,
that was pretty darn special. And we were we were
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lined up on one side of the tunnel and they
were lined up on the other. And I don't know
if I've told you this story. They had a you know,
they always have a leprechaun, you know, like a guy
who's a leprechaun running around and uh, you know, it's
like a different kind of mascot because you can see
the guy's face. You know, it's not like a chick
in there or an administrator or somebody like you know,
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whoever's in the costume. It's it's a person kind of
like the guy or the lady that's on top of Traveler,
the USC horse. So I don't know what it was
or what happened, but this in ninety seven, the leprechaun
was a black guy. Oh.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
I was just about to ask you did you get
the black leper Kahn got the black level? Okay, perfect,
I knew there was there was something too. I was like,
it's because.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
That's why you like reggae.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
Well, I mean the leper con the Leprechaun being len
For whatever reason, the Leprechaun's race incensed some of.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
The black guys on our football team.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah, like they were making fun of black people. Yeah,
I don't make a black man was gone.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
It's like, do you know how many black guys have
fought for the right to be the Leprecaun?
Speaker 8 (39:12):
And now it's not like I was going to be
able to explain that to some of my teammates through
my face mask. You know, when I was a very
young player. Well, this guy, this guy was obviously very
much into his job. He was proud to be the Leprechaun.
And he was not a big man, but he was
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you know, he was black.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Uh, usually the little black man, little black leper count
little black like Kevin Hart, right and uhang literally you
know is.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
He not small? I mean?
Speaker 8 (39:43):
And then you know, usually the Leprechaun is a white guy,
not just a white guy, but a white guy with red.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Hair, right, so ginger like Prince which is like connected
to Ireland right right?
Speaker 8 (39:55):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, and he could also be punching
somebody in the face while Drake King as well, and
that would be even more connected. And you know, maybe
he has like twenty kids nine months apart. Another Irish.
Speaker 9 (40:08):
You know, the Irish said, thus Irish triplets. This guy
happened to be something iris Irish twins. All right, this
guy happened. He checked off the kid thing.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Man, can he check can he check off the Irish part?
Being a black Irish.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
I'm telling you I don't know the guy.
Speaker 8 (40:25):
I just knew it was a black leopard.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Did any sound Irish when you heard?
Speaker 8 (40:29):
I don't remember what he was saying, but whatever he did,
Tyrone O'Malley, whatever, Tyrone O'Malley did that dayang incense some
of the black guys on our team. And just so
you know, in ninety seven US he did have more
than one black guy. Yeah, it was you know, they
had integrated the team Tang.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Then ninety seven it was integrated by time.
Speaker 8 (40:52):
It wasn't like the SEC, which was all white still
in nineteen seventy Tang.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
It was.
Speaker 8 (40:59):
Whatever happened both. It was like the movie like Braveheart
or three hundred when you see the two armies come together,
you know, the Leprechaun, the leper Kahn, because the gigantic
team wide fight in the tunnel between USB.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
That's Chris Claiborne, Chris.
Speaker 8 (41:21):
Lay, Cory Minor. You know, they had the little Mexican
punt returner and everything comes back to race for me anyway,
and that's era I'll never forget. You know, Bob Davey,
like Van Gundy style, was on the ground like holding
onto somebody's leg, you know. And this was before for
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whatever reason, there was no TV camera in there, so
you know, no one saw the fight. There was some
reports of it, and it got broken up pretty quickly
and we went, yes, pet Us.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
You've done an impression before. That's one of my all
time favorite. It's it's you talking trash with your mouthguard
in Oh yeah, well what was this a moment game?
Speaker 8 (42:06):
No, I didn't say anything. I was just dumbfounded. But uh,
later in the game, well right, you know, when the
game started, Notre Dame had a punt returner kick returner
named Alan Rossam who was guy played long time in
the NFL and really explosive guy. And on the opening
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kick he almost took it like he took it eighty
And I was pretty fast in those days, and I
ran him down and tackled him on our opposite twenty
and I mean it was the first play of the
game and I.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
Stood up and you know, they are purple.
Speaker 8 (42:49):
I was like, oh my god. He said my name,
you know. And I remember walking off the field and
our old trainer at USC who was who was my
father's trainer when when my dad played there.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
He was so old.
Speaker 8 (43:03):
Once he cut a cost cast off my hand and
sliced my entire palm.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
He was like, you did it. You saved a touchdown.
You saved a touchdown. And then the next play he
just watched it.
Speaker 8 (43:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (43:17):
And the next play, just watch you chase him down.
Speaker 8 (43:20):
And then the next play they scored a touchdown. I
was like, I saved it. But that was the game.
We ended up winning on a field goal. And I
remember we went back into the locker room after the game,
and at that time, the Notre Dame visiting locker room
had a real low ceiling, and everybody started jumping up
and down, and the ceiling started to cave in, and
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they did something like of like ten dollars of damage
to the to the locker room.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
And I remember John Robinson saying, like, stop it, star,
you know, and.
Speaker 8 (43:56):
That was so I remember.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (44:01):
Some of our players are also such a wet feeling,
like Richard Nick, who cares if he's black, and one
of the hold.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
On mant me what you get carried away for? Don't
what you're doing?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
That?
Speaker 6 (44:21):
God, that John Robinson impression is my favorite.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
Well, you know, he's an old man.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
He died.
Speaker 8 (44:27):
You know, no one remembers anymore. You know, he used
to be very significant, but any day. I also remember
some of our players in the sc Notre Dame game.
In that particular game in ninety seven, the first time
I'd ever been to South Bend, and I've only been
a few times.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (44:46):
A lot of our players had also never seen a kilt.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Yeah, so that threw them off.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
Well, I mean these dudes running around with dresses on. Man, Yeah,
yeah hurts. Like if you don't cut off the field,
I'm gonna pull up your skirt it.
Speaker 8 (44:59):
You know, like that kind of your cat that. Yeah,
it's like the six foot white guy and you know,
right up behind him as some dude breathing in his
ear from Fremont.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
High like hey, I see your skirt. You know. It
was kind of a.
Speaker 8 (45:14):
Memorable trips, uh, no, no doubt about that. And uh
I hope, I hope that was enough of a dissertation
for somebody to hear and and scrap the idea that
sc Notre Dame shirt?
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Were you happy as Like what was you feeling when
you made that tackle though?
Speaker 5 (45:30):
Like for real?
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Because I know when you make a big play, like
like I don't know about you, Like I didn't hear
anything during the plays. It's weird, like everything goes quiet
for me, but as soon as I make a play,
I can hear everything.
Speaker 8 (45:44):
Yeah, it was a disorienting experience for me, you know.
So it was just like you were relieved that you
got to him. Well with my head all bobbling around,
you know. Uh yeah, everything that happened to me in
a football game happened so fast. I didn't really realize
it until, you know, it was just done fifteen seconds later.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
And that I think is what sometimes escapes.
Speaker 8 (46:06):
People watching sports, especially college football, because of the young
people and the pressure involved.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
I think, I guess what I'm trying to ask you
Petros though, is like did you get action because you
made a big play on special teams against Notre Dame?
Like when y'all were drinking beers later on and hanging out.
Did you well?
Speaker 5 (46:26):
Were you popular?
Speaker 8 (46:27):
We had to fly home, you know, and you know,
so you don't get home till like four or five
in the morning, okay, when you play at South Bend.
I do remember my grandmother, God rest her soul. You know.
I grew up in a liquor warehouse. My grandfather owned
liquor stores. So she would always bring a box of
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little tiny liquor bottles lee and then hand it. She
always traveled, so you know, she would hand me like,
you know, maybe eight or nine or twenty bottles or twenty, yeah,
and I'd share them on the plane. I mean, guys
would say, did your grandma come? And we would we
would we would drink the liquor in the back of
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the plane. I believe there was a fistfight on the
plane on the way home, some set tripping on the
way home. And I also believe that Chad Morton was
bullying a guy that we that we had on the teammates,
that Chad was bullying a guy that had turetts called shakes.
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And right when we arrived like four in the morning,
right when we arrived at the hotel, Uh Uh, Shakes
had had enough and just started to beat Chad's ass.
And I remember people stopping team officials from intervening so
Shakes could get a few more shots. So no chicks
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talked to me after that game, but I saw two fights,
one of them was gang related, and we got home
at like four in the morning. And the next day
John Robinson said in the BOS sometimes.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
They can't drain the fluid off of his mouth.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
I mean, geez.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
The transition back to the Lakers, two questions, how will
the season be remembered and how will how will they
transition this offseason to get this roster to a point
where they where they can compete for championships because clearly
they need a big man. There's the questions around Brownie.
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There's the questions around conditioning.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
If you ask J. J Reddick, you know so, So
that's kind of the other part of the question.
Speaker 8 (48:54):
Well, I think that everything that everybody said at the
beginning of the season was kind.
Speaker 5 (49:01):
Of the way it all came to fruition.
Speaker 8 (49:03):
Right, JJ Reddick is immature, and he's going to get
exposed at some point, and man, he got his balls washed.
You know, from the middle of the regular season on,
everybody was saying, Wow, what a great job we did
hiring JJ Reddick. And sure he's condescending and he's really
insufferable to listen to, but look.
Speaker 5 (49:23):
At what a great job he did.
Speaker 8 (49:24):
And many really handled out how to deal with Jokich
and blah blah blah, and ultimately in the playoffs he
ended up trying to do stuff that no one had
ever done before. And there's a reason because he got exposed.
I mean, he got whatever it means for his future
as a coach, I don't know, but he got exposed.
(49:45):
The brawny doesn't deserve to be in the NBA. That
played itself out too, you know, to where he had
the worst shooting percentage of the worst this, this, this,
and this, you know in the NBA. Probably absolutely should
have stayed in college and continue to develop. And ultimately
Lebron looked too old at the end, and Luca looked
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too fat.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
At the end.
Speaker 8 (50:08):
Well you know what does that mean going? And they
weren't big enough, which is what everybody said. And I
thought that that guy Windhorse made an interesting point. Had
they made that trade with Charlotte and brought in that
big man, would JJ Reddick even have played the guy,
which is a great question. So I don't know what
it means for the future, but basically it's kind of
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like Danny Green. The Lakers are who we thought they were,
and that's why we took the field. Yeah, yeah, they
are who we thought.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
They Mike Drop, Hey, pet Trust, we got a little
something special for you here if you're ready for it.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
This courtesy of NBC.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Way back in nineteen ninety seven, the opening kickoff between
the Trojans and the Fighting Irish from South Bend.
Speaker 8 (51:04):
At well underway here at Harry Dame Stadium.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Wissom has it at the four yard line the.
Speaker 11 (51:11):
Fifteen twenty, has a good return up the middle to
the park side across the book. Still going at the fifty,
he steps two tackles at the twenty five yard light,
an unbelievable return at Petro's papadotas saves the touchdown.
Speaker 5 (51:33):
Nothing fancy about this return to Yo.
Speaker 8 (51:36):
I even have a photo of it, and somebody sent
me me tackling. That's like one of like four tackles
I made as a college football player, So we're very proud,
thank you. Wow, that's amazing production.
Speaker 6 (51:49):
Was that was that don Kricky on the call.
Speaker 8 (51:52):
Somebody like I just remember would have done the radio,
I believe right.
Speaker 5 (51:56):
I think it was something like that.
Speaker 8 (51:58):
I remember meeting with two very old men before the
game is one of the subjects because I was supposed
to carry the ball a bunch of that game, which
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (52:09):
And uh then I felt kind of stupid.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
About that great play though, and he got it. You
got a very first play the game, the old p Petros.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
Well.
Speaker 8 (52:18):
See, I mean a lot of the time people tell
football stories and they misremember or whatever, or they say
they were in China when they were really you know,
in Florida.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
But I I that actually, you.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Go, who are you going for?
Speaker 5 (52:32):
Right there? Who did you just think?
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Who'd you fire at Petros?
Speaker 6 (52:35):
I think it really shows.
Speaker 8 (52:37):
Your got running for vice president.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Really, it shows your your ability to focus, especially after
that Donnie brook all caused by a black leper cown
time tonal moments before the game.
Speaker 8 (52:49):
Well, I think it was overall it was racial insensitivity.
It caused me to make the tackle.
Speaker 6 (52:53):
Yeah, I agree, we got to get one back.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
I just didn't realize how racially motivated and simulated Jonas
Knox is until I knew that race always played a
little bit into what he's got going on. But now
I realize how deep that river runs in him.
Speaker 8 (53:10):
I just remember the name of their Mexican punt return.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Now, now, can I ask you guys, this is there
the possibility that there could ever be a Mexican leprechaun?
Speaker 5 (53:24):
Yeah, you know female?
Speaker 8 (53:30):
How about this? So len a male one of the
world's greatest actors of all time since passed away.
Speaker 5 (53:37):
Most people thought he was a Greek man.
Speaker 8 (53:40):
He was not Mexican. Irish Anthony Quinn, the original Mexican Leprechaun. Yeah,
really yeah, guns An Avaron damn.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Very interesting about that.
Speaker 5 (53:53):
I know all about that.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
Well, I guess i'll deth hold a little bit here.
The Irish guard, which Petress you can probably speak.
Speaker 5 (54:01):
To you if you remember. They were the really really
tall dudes.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
They had to be like six three, right, But that's
all changed now too, which it's it's a little.
Speaker 5 (54:14):
I mean, the whole point of it.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
I think their physical presence was supposed to be imposing.
Right now, I regard that right and now and now
they don't have to be six three anymore. They don't
have to be you know, quite fill out the same
build I think they used to. That's changed a bit too.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
So they've softened softened up on.
Speaker 5 (54:32):
It, and they let chicks do it too. I'm not
going that far. I'm just saying it's not like it used.
Speaker 8 (54:39):
To be, all right, So we've lost all our traditions.
Speaker 6 (54:44):
I'm not sure if there by the way, if you
were easily offended, this was not the segment for you.
Speaker 5 (54:55):
I had none of that.
Speaker 8 (54:56):
I just came out to the tunnel. I was overwhelmed.
I don't still liver Kahn was black. I didn't know
why it upset my teammates so much. I wish there
was trash dog through the mouthguard. That's all I wish.
Speaker 5 (55:07):
Oh here, so.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
You get him on X at the old pet to
pick it up off the dirty ground and stick it
back in your mouth.
Speaker 6 (55:24):
He goes to the Petro's Money show.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
You could hear on the blow Tour A M five
seventy l a sports Petros.
Speaker 6 (55:30):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (55:31):
There you can be all right, love y'all, all right,
bro back at save the rivalry
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with LaVar As Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
The Baltimore Ravens have made a decision, and that decision
is Justin Tucker. It's been nice to know anybody, uh
and and that is that. That is that for the
time of Justin Tucker as a Baltimore Raven. A long
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legendary career from from Justin Tucker there in Baltimore and
the Ravens released a statement this from Eric Tacosta, their GM.
Sometimes football decisions are incredibly difficult, and this is one
of those instances. Considering our current roster, We've made the
tough decision to release Justin Tucker. He created many significant
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and unforgettable moments in Raven's history. His reliability, focused drive, resilience,
and extraordinary talent made him one of the league's best
kickers for over a decade. We are grateful for Justin's
many contributions while playing for the Ravens. We sincerely wish
him and his family the very best in this next
chapter of their lives. Not not not talked about in
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that little description was the NFL investigation that's still ongoing
because he's been accused of sixteen different massage therapists in
the Baltimore area for the inappropriate actions we mentioned.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
You just got to read in between the like you
got it like kind of you know, listen to what
he's saying. Yeah, the memorable memory he's done. You know,
a couple of things here.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Do you guys feel like when a team makes a
decision like this, they're on the cusp of either punishing
him or finding out like they know more information. There's
something that's going to come out next.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
He's too good to be for it not to be that, right, Well, he.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Was too good until last rough year.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, but weren't you guys the one saying that. That's
probably why he was struggling because in the back of
his mind, he's like, man, there's a lot of pressure
on me right now, he can't read the masseuse is
catching up to me, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And here's the worst part is, let's say, for example,
this is it feels hard again? Okay, like that, let's
go back. Let's go back, because you have to approach
it the same way we did with DeShawn Watson. Where
there's there's smoke, there's got to be fire there. It's
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just it's too many. I mean for starters. I'll go
back to the same thing I said about the Shawn
Watson situation. Why there's so many damn therapists, Like he's
been in Baltimore for how long and he's got that
many therapists. Like that's a problem. I understand if you're
trying to find one that you like and you can
kind of work with, because eventually, like they need to
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know your body, they know your routine and how you know,
to kind of fix you when things are wrong.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
The problem is now is like every single massage.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Therapist he ever, or you know, place he goes to, spa, whatever,
is always going to look at him as you know,
what's he gonna do here we go, whether he's being
good or not. But clearly there is something going on,
like there's there's it's too many massage therapists to not
think that that something had to have been going on.
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I wonder if there's like sixteen others who would come
in his defense and then and then that makes it
even look more ridiculous. So I feel like there's something
that's going to drop, whether it's punishment, whether something else
comes out there's gonna be something else there that's gonna
come out Otherwise, I'm not really.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Sure what this road leads for.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Justin Tucker. I mean, he's a Hall of Fame kicker.
He just didn't take that away last year.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Like if one came out and said, hey, he was
inappropriate to be like, all right, and you found enough evidence,
like no, okay, yeah, that's not great. Multiply that by sixteen,
like what's the defense here? Samely with Deshaun Watson, what's
the defense? Oh listen, that number is outrageous. All right,
I'll tell you what. We'll cut it in half. Let's
call it even. We'll make it thirty thirty accusations.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
All right?
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Is everything better now? Like if it was only.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Eight, if it was four, if it was one, like
the whole thing like it just it doesn't add up
that that many people at that many different locations would
publicly want to burn a bridge with an athlete unless
there was something to it. Like it just none of
it makes any sense. And I remember talking to Jerry Coleman,
who covers the Ravens in Baltimore, and I thought the
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same thing, like, oh, now we know why he was
struggling and his thought on it was this was one
of the worst kept secrets in Baltimore. A lot of
people knew about it. And he said, the reason this
stuff started to come out last year is because people
were trying to figure out why he was struggling, and
they threw out the theory, Oh, maybe it's because he
needs to go back to his old ways, and that's
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when that stuff started to fire back up, and all
of a sudden, all these people are like, oh, yeah,
me too. It's multiple times over and just like the
Watson stuff, it's all the same story. Now, the details
of the story probably not suitable for for radio, but
we'll just say he left a parting gift in most
of the encounters.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Is there and this is just me trying to see
both sides?
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Is there the chance?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Is there the chance that there is a trend that
is being created in terms of like this is becoming
popular culture to to actually pile on and have these
types and listen, I'm not saying it because I believe it,
like full disclosure, let me just give my disclamor I'm
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not saying I believe it. I'm just saying, is there
the chance? Because you're starting to see it's just like
and look it is what it is. It's almost like
the me too movement. Right you start to see like, oh,
so I can benefit from from this. I get the
benefit of the doubt in this scenario. Let me throw
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my hat into the ring. Maybe I'll settle for fifty K.
I mean, I definitely might have been, you know, consensual
in the situation whatever took place. But now that I
think about it, maybe I wasn't consensual. Let me you know,
let me jump in on this. There's more validity to it.
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And in most cases, my name isn't going to come out.
And because there are some that may get settled, they
don't want to hear what I gotta say.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
So I'm gonna catch it. I'm gonna cash a check too.
It could be a quick.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Come up because people be popping up, people pop up
this whole the ladies that's talking about Shannon right now,
where's she come from?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Like this?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I think the dude was still playing ball when when
the stuff.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Happened with that lady?
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Oh is there a new one?
Speaker 5 (07:08):
There's a new one.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And she's like all out here, like you know, all
I'm saying is is there the chance is there a
chance that this could be misunderstandings in the situation.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Is there a chance sixteen of them? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
But here's what I'll say, is I understand what you're asking.
I think the quickest way of describing it is or
massage therapists in this case sing an opportunity. And that's
really what this comes down to. I tend to say, no,
this is not them singing like. That's not the issue
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of what's happening right now. The issue is there's players,
there's guys who feel like it's it's okay and they're comfortable,
you know, going in there and thinking that it's not
just about you know, getting you know, a massage, like
there should need more to that, and that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I couldn't agree with you. I just thought i'd introduce
it to the conversation. I mean, I agree with but
I'm just saying we do live in a culture in
a society now, whereas hey, man.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I'm not trying I'm not trying to focus on any
any one group of people, but I'm just saying I
got a lot of Heathens from Jersey and there's certain
guys that I know that you know, that's how they
if you have a massage, you know, it's just that's just
how it is.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Here's my thing.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Though, there are like like bobby orchids, right, there are
places where, if that's what you're thinking, they exist. It's
the red open sign that's on twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
What's side you're talking about. It's called open, That's what.
That's all I'm saying, Like, what sign? That's all I heard.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I ain't never seen the No, that's not my deal,
that's not mine, that's not my cup of tea. But
what I will say is, I mean up League went
to the Holland Wolf every freaking night when we were
in New Orleans. And it's like to go to a
place called the Howling Wolf in a place like New Orleans.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
You put those two and two together, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
That's That's what I was in my hotel the entire time,
but different there in the in the lobby or in
my room the entire time.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
There's the entire time.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
There's a big difference between a massage parlor and the handhouse,
like they're just there feels like two different things there.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
And you know when you're going in.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Go to if you go to a legitimate massage place
like a spa, and you're there they are told, like
to me, super professional. Anytime I've ever gone to like
a place like Equinox, I used to go to Equinox.
I was a member there for quite some time. Yeah,
they had massage, massage, massage rooms stuff like that. You
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go in there and you get to you have conversations
with the person. I could see if a person like
got caught up into the conversation while they're getting rubbed
down and and and they're they're they're hitting those different
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algor regions, outer regions, stuff like that, and while you're talking.
It's because massage masseuses are like barbers.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
They're like your therapists.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Like you start to open up to them about things
that you got going on, like, oh man, I gotta
pay these bills, da da job stinks this that and
the other My mom called me said she needs me
to bring.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Her over this that.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
You start talking to them, you like, you start because
they want you to relax, like they're trying to get
you to relax. And there's a fine line in there
where you gotta understand, like, bro, like this is not
a strip club, This is not a what.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Do you call it a hand? What place?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I mean, you could call it a couple of grape?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Well that's you know to me, you got to understand
you can't forget that this is a.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Yank whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
One thousand hands dressing.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, a thousand hand dressing. I don't get it.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
It's a lot of hands, like thousand island.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
But yeah, all Lorenda, what are your thoughts on this?
I mean, it's my god, it feels like with sixteen
people coming out, there's gotta be more smoke. Is you know,
something more there?
Speaker 7 (11:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:34):
I mean I I see it.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
But at the same time, I know people in this
day and age and the fact that it was one
of those once someone said it, then they all started
coming up.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I always feel it's real.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Fishy when they do that. Yeah, why not just do
it in the moment like, hey, this happened today.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Band be camps Like this.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Guy, you know, made me feel uncomfortable? Whatever the heck?
Why does there have to be a thousand hands in
this dressing? Like, I don't know, Like, why does there
have to be so many before someone speaks up?
Speaker 6 (12:05):
That doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's a great point. Here's here's another valid point of
the whole situation. If you go into a place and
somebody does start to try and attempt that, you can't
say no, Like you can't say, yeah, I'm not here
for that.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
What else?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, you're already getting paid for a session anyway. And
if they're going to say I want my money back,
you're going to be like, really, buddy, you do have
options here. You really want your money back. That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
It all says just a little fish.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You're not being held against your will. Yeah, I just
but I will say this. I believe that he's going
to get another job. You do, Okay, what's out a doubt? Yeah,
he's too talented. He's too talented not to get out.
And this was twenty twelve to twenty sixteen. I think
a team's going to justify. It was a long time ago.
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The NFL has done their investigation, blah blah blah. I
just know that it's not going to be the Patriots
and it's not going to be the Browns. But that
does leave options, like there are there are twenty nine
other teams.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
It's a silly looking dude, though, isn't he Like I mean,
when you put the stories together and you look at him,
it's like, man, he does look like a little Creeper's wait, man,
nice's just my silly looking dude. You'll get your silly
looking ass out of here. Damn he's my teammate. Like
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what you doing? What bro silly looking at it?
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Damn that's Baltimore man.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
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Speaker 6 (13:49):
I would like to start off by apologizing.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
There's a lot of sarcasm, but I want to apologize
to one Jerry Jones. He was talking about a substantial
trade being done this offseason. I thought he was just
full of crap, and he was having a couple of
iced teas, maybe with a little bit of booze mixed in,
and he just threw out a bunch of stuff to
try and please Cowboy fans who are not happy about
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the current state of the team.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
And then all of a sudden, this went down.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Breaking news from Fox.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Sports, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Dallas Cowboys
and Pittsburgh Steelers are working to finalize a trade that
will send wide receiver George Pickens to the Cowboys in
exchange for draft pick compensation. The trade is expected to
be finalized today. It's the second time in six months
the Cowboys have traded for a wide receiver. In November,
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the Cowboys acquired wide receiver Jonathan Mingo and a twenty
twenty five seventh round pick from the Panthers in exchange
for a twenty twenty five fourth round pick. Now the
Cowboys are dealing for another receiver, George Pickens. Schefter went
on to say soon to be Cowboys wide receiver George
Pickens is headed into the last year of his contract
and we'll want a new deal. His agent happens to
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be David Mullagetta, whose name Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said
he did not know while talking about a new deal
from Micah Parsons.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That's the substantial trade Jerry Jones was talking about, and
apparently it'll be George Pickens later today to the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
So I won't Mason glory Hill.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Oh wow, Okay, thank you all right, Easy there, Jerry,
don't get too excited now. This this makes a lot
of sense. You mentioned they did this last year and
training for Mingo. I don't know that they got what
they were hoping for out of Jonathan Mingo, but you
add Pickens alongside Ceedee Lamb and that's quite the tandem.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
So I think they've got they've got what they're looking for.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Look, they didn't spent a draft pick on a wide
receiver in this year's draft, and that maybe led to
some signs that there was something in the works or
that they were going to address it in some capacity.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
We knew this was a.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Potential issue, not just because of how last season ended
for Pittsburgh, but also when you bring in DK Metcalf,
there's probably a thought that, well, George Pickens can't be
excited about having to share the ball or maybe being
the number two receiver to DK Metcalf and some of
their other options there in.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Pittsburgh with that trade.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
So it makes a lot of sense from you know,
trying to get an extension how things have may be
gone there in Pittsburgh so far, but also the need
of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
So look at Jerry Man, a man of his word.
We gotta we gotta trust him with it.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
It certainly will be must see TV because Cede Lamb
does not like when he does not get the ball.
And by what we've seen out of how George Pickens
handles things. Who who I mean, I guess it's gonna
come down to how they situate the lockers make I guess,
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make sure you put Ceedee Lamb and and and George
Pickens strategically right next to one another in the locker
room so that they can talk and have Kumbaya moments
and stuff like that and be okay going on to
the field. But like I said, I never met a
receiver that wasn't always open, and I never met a
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receiver that got enough balls. Pause and and you you know,
listening to the SoundBite that we heard from from Elak
Neighbors the other the other day, and listening to him
talk about, you know, you got three receivers, you got
a tight end, you may release a back. You're talking
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about five options of throwing the ball to Will there
be enough balls for ceed Lamb and George Pickens to
catch in Dallas? And how does that? How does that work.
I think that that's going to be when this happens,
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that's going to be one of the singular biggest things
that Brian Schottenheimer and co. Will have to manage as
it applies to what you're doing with this group, And
as far as as I'm concerned with the Steelers, you
are getting out of a situation where, you know, maybe
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maybe they've already maybe he's made it clear, Pickings and
his representation have already made it clear that they're not
playing without a new contract, and the Steelers don't want
to do it. So this is something that they're they're
doing out of a necessity. But is this Steelers team
putting themselves in position to win this year? If I'm
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looking at this current Steelers team where they are at
right now, that will have to be an emphatic no,
they're not. So is this a rebuild year, like in
the truest sense of rebuild, because I don't know how
they're going to compete in such a competitive division with
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what what their roster looks like today.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Does that change if Aaron Rodgers signs there, well, who
is he throwing it to?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Well, you still have DK Calvin Metcalfe Calvin Ailson stepped
up as a gadget. You know, they drafted Robert Watson
last year, a fine rookie season, and then don't forget,
they signed Robert Woods and he's still to me, got
a lot left in the tank.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I mean, do you feel confident in those names?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I mean, you had friar youth to that.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
If you look at their backfield, their run game, yeah,
and they've got kind of don't forget, they've got Cordero
Pattison as a returner slash kind of a slash player
for them too in this offense.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I think they have enough for me. That's who your
quarterback is.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
If you get Aaron Rodgers, that might be talking me
slightly off the ledge, But just because it is Aaron Rodgers,
I'm gonna stay with my feet on the ledge because
I don't know what type of player a I'm going
to get or what's going to happen with him being
the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
If they were really planning on rebuilding there, they wouldn't
have traded for DK Metcalf and they wouldn't have even
had this conversation or waiting game with Rogers. They just say,
all right, let's tear it down to the studs and
let's go. But I think they do believe Rogers are
going to be there. And if he's there, yeah, they
got a shot.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
What if he's not good?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
What if he what if he's what if he's not
up to the standard of what you need your quarterback
to be At this point in his career, it's very
possible that he doesn't live up to the standard and
the expectations. So if he doesn't, does it just mean up?
Speaker 5 (20:37):
That's it?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Who's up next, Who's who's behind him, who's backing him up?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
The goal shouldn't be is he good enough to win
you a super Bowl? The goal should be is he
good enough to keep Mike Tomlin's winning season record?
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Attack? See you.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Listen, I'm half kidding, No, you're not half kids. I
do believe that that's that's a major story here. You're
being a smart as you're doing like that. They really
do hold on to that. That's like precious gold Mike
Tomlins just like the Ravens, like preseason record like that's
like always a note. I mean, I don't think it's
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about him getting a winning record. It is one hundred
about them winning the AFC North and being a favorite
as they approach the playoffs. That's being a contender. I mean,
they're not going to win the.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Division, but they could be a playoff team.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Well that's the expectation.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
And if that's not what's being sold, and if that's
not what they're they're seeking to achieve, then that's going
to put a lot of pressure on on corporate, you know,
to make decisions. They're going to have to decide what
they're going to do because I don't think winning seasons
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is crazy to think that, but which because it does
make sense in the old NFL, especially it makes sense
I mean not too long ago. I mean you look
at what what Marvin Lewis was able to do. Uh, hell,
Jason Garrett was there for for a while. You can
look at numerous coaches that have had a long, long
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leash in terms of what they're able to do just
because the team is winning and and you don't get
they don't get rid of coaches. But I don't know
that that's going to continue to last in Pittsburgh. I
don't know if that's the catalyst or that's deciding factor.
I got to just have a winning record this year.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I got a bad feeling about this George Pickens and Dallas.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
That's that's I think it's the underrated conversation is I mean,
he's gonna go wild at Dallas.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I mean he was already not happy, you know, in
Pittsburgh they had to talk to him multiple times over.
Now he's gonna be in Dwadallas with no extension in place.
He's gonna have to deal with Ceedee Lamb being the
top target. Jake Ferguson's there. He gets a bunch of
balls thrown his way. So you've got that in Dallas,
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no contract extension and an agent who the owner has
already said, I don't know who that guy is. This
this thing could go sideway to go back. It really
could go with a first time head coach. He just
moves moved chairs in the locker room because he thought
that would ignite him fire.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Under some people, this thing could be a disaster.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
George Pickens, locker's gonna.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Be which about the way people are getting upset about
me saying that that's wow. To stand on that hill
and die on like I'm with them. That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Here's the thing is, it's hard to and I get
it because it does sound goofy, but I have you back.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
And when we talked about yes, I mean they don't
understand it.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I don't think there's a sentimental especially like again I
use Daryl Green as an example. Darryl Green was probably
on year like sixteen or something like that when I
got there seventeen, I mean eighteen something like that. This
man had his locker, the same locker for probably fourteen
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or so years of that time. And to shake it up,
you're going to move that man's locker without having the conversation.
I'm not saying don't don't shake things up or move
things around or whatever, but you need to understand that.
And he does Schottenheimer one hundred percent. He's been around
it too long. You got to talk to your vets
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on stuff like that. When there's things where there's routine created,
like don't compare this to your office building, don't compare
it to your profession. Don't compare it because it's not comparable,
and I'm sorry it's not. But when you have created
a habit and this is your place, and you've earn't
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the right to be a veteran where you've been in
that organization for so long, where you've established. Like, imagine
if you came in there, maybe this one works better
instead of Daryl Green. Maybe people don't relate to it.
Imagine if you came in and told Tom Brady or
Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes that they got to use
a different locker.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
Like some of these guys had. Like didn't Tom Brady
have two lockers.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
One with his stuff and one for stuff that he signed,
like dude had. Some of these dudes had more than
one locker, like like to act like there's some type
of like, oh, just shut up and play football, Like
that's not how it works. Oh, yes it is. Nothing
else has worked in Dallas. Well you know what, that
ain't gonna ad. That's certainly probably gonna add to the
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list of things that didn't work.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, but you can't like these are like I'm telling
some of these fans here you go, they've got Stockholm syndrome.
They'll just buy whatever the organization sells them because they
have no choice, Like oh yeah, yeah, no, this is
a great idea. They can't just be critical that. Nah,
so desperate the Cowboys fans are, Yeah, for real.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
You chose to chose to come for me over lockers
being shifted and changed. Screw you, damn Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Take that.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
By the way, Jordan Schultz, who is up and awake
and he is tweeting about the deal. Uh, he did
say that it is a third round pick back to
the Steelers and day three pick swap for the Cowboys
in exchange for George Picketts.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
They do not think very highly of him. You know,
that's kind of the going rate though, is that the
going right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
You look at some of the veteran receivers who want
a new deal, they go for about a third and
something like a third and fifth.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Didn't it? Was it ab Remember they sent a b
to the Raiders. Wasn't that for a third and fifth?
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Was it really good?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah, there's been there's been a number of receivers that's
been It's been somewhere in that somewhere in.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
That standing to be corrected.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Hey, what he was at the height of his career
when he left, when he left Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Right now, there was baggage there, which I think we're
all a baggage.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, yeah, but so maybe the playing aspect of it
was that true.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
But who knew One of the things though on the outside,
I think we don't value third round picks as much
as teams do. I mean, that's one of the reasons
why there's compensatory picks, and when teams get those third
round compensatory picks, it's huge. But you're talking about getting
a top one hundred player. I mean, when we say
that like that, that's the reality. Like you're talking about
getting a top one hundred prospect in the NFL Draft,
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the best out of college, then you're gonna get for
much cheaper. And so if a team is willing to
say to you, all right, here's what we're willing to
do with our organization. We are willing to give a
guy away who we feel like might be you know,
he's a thousand yard receiver, a really good player, but
we don't feel like he's going to be worth the
money and the headache that comes along with him. We'd
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rather take another player at that third round spot. He's
going to be cheaper, and we feel like we'll be
able to produce just as much, or we can find
a starter at that position, you know, just as easily
as we can pay George Pickens and then deal with
all that.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
So well, I get it.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I guess it was fun while it last did, Buddy,
good luck to you so long. Yeah, well, listen, George
Pickens is in Dallas. The Steelers got some draft capital
and now they just wait, wait, wait on Aaron Rodgers.
Hopefully that'll get done soon. But again, apologies to Jerry Jones.
He said it, he did say it, and they made
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a move and now we just wait for the fireworks.
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
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Speaker 3 (28:44):
So again if you're just listening in. I mean, he
was a second round draft pick too. It was not
like he was a first rounder. He was in the
second round. He's talented though, man, he is talented.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
George Pickens expected to be traded and finalized later today.
George Pickens on his way from Pittsburgh to Dallas. He
will be a Dallas Cowboy in exchange for some draft picks.
That was the breaking news that just popped up a
short time ago. Here on Fox Sports.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
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Speaker 2 (29:21):
We kick off our three of this Wednesday edition per usual,
with the one and only Petros Papadakis. He is the
co host of the Petros and Money Show, which you
can hear on the Blowtorch AM five to seventy LA Sports,
a Fox College football analyst and you can find him
on x at the old p Petros. Good morning, out morning,
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Hello to everybody, Good morning, sir. So we were kind
of kicking around the news that came out that Notre
Dame and Clemson we're going to have this long rivalry
starting in twenty twenty seven. They're going to go all
the way up until twenty thirty eight.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
Rivalry.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Yeah there, they're going to be playing each other annually.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
And yeah, apparently they have to start a new one
because there's some old ones that some of the athletic
directors want to get out of.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Yeah, what's with that?
Speaker 8 (30:09):
Well, I don't think it's the AD. I don't think
the AD at USC wants to get out of it,
Jen Cohen. But Lincoln Riley's talked about getting out of
it a whole bunch, and that's what he said to me.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
It's shameful.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
It's probably as embarrassing as Lincoln Riley's kind of been
after year one. It's probably one of the worst things
I think that USC type of people point to where
they say, this guy doesn't understand our tradition. This guy
doesn't understand what it is to coach here and what
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this place, football wise, is known for. I mean, USC
Notre Dame is a great I know that there's so
many things that have gone by the wayside, the backyard brawl,
the Holy War, Oklahoma versus Texas bedlam is now gone,
and I just those things are all unfortunate, and when
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they bring back the rivalries, it's always great. It's kind
of hard to imagine with the seismic shifts that we've
kind of seen in the last decade plus in college
football that these things could keep happening. But it is
shameful that Lincoln Riley talks about getting rid of Notre
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Dame USC. But just because you play somebody every year
doesn't make it a rivalry. It just means you play
them every year. It's not a rival you that I
was offended by that, but I'm well, I mean it
should be exciting. I mean, there are two great programs with.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
And I think here's what younger the younger generation would say,
is like in recent history, it's it's kind of become
like quasi of a of a rivalry because of how
good the programs have both been, how tight the games
have been they've played in. And I think that's really
look they're trying to everyone's always trying to make something
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out of something, right, Like they're trying to make a
new rivalry if you can do that in today's age,
And I think that's what they're more.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Trying to say. This is starting to become.
Speaker 8 (32:24):
Trying to manufacture something as opposed to looking at one
hundred plus years of your history. Sounds about right for
modern day college football.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
And it's like the Kardashian effect. Yeah, it's the same thing.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
We keep eating the meal that they tell us to eat.
And you know what, if Notre Dame's playing Clemson, everybody's
gonna watch. If it's a good game, it's going to
be very exciting. There's no doubt about it. I don't
think Notre Dame USC is going to go away. When
it does, we can talk about it.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
But what Okay, let me ask you this.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
Thinking about it is wrong and I disagree with it.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Okay, So so I want to I want to ask
you this then, because who ultimately makes the decision. I mean,
if Jen Cohen's the athletic director, does she and she hires.
Speaker 8 (33:10):
The TV the TV companies sadly.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Yeah, but this is different.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
This is different because the Big ten is not going
to say no, we don't want you to play Notre
Dame because you and I both know that allows let's
be let's be real about it. It allows Fox, NBC
and CBS to potentially have.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
One of those games.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they don't want it to end. No, no,
so then I don't think it will. I mean, if
if somebody ends it, it will be from the influence
of Lincoln Riley, who is about as usc as Caid
McNown I mean, in my opinion, like Lincoln Riley is
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not as Caid catch a straight.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
Yeah, I saw, I saw Corey Pause was old. You
started thirty seven games at U c l A at
the uh yeah, at the Beach Life festival over the weekend.
So we we talked a little bit. It was nice
to catch up with him coming.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
I mean, Caid's still really from that Miami loss, and
you got a.
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Kid McNown Yeah sure, but uh you know Kate, Yeah sure.
But overall, top to bottom, I think that if if
Lincoln Riley was winning eleven games a year and competing
in the Big Ten for a championship, or people actually
thought that, or there was a bunch of buzz around
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USC's program, or a quarterback that they have or anything,
maybe maybe they would take him more seriously when he
talks about ending the Notre Dame rivalry. But I think
that's a guy who's got to win a lot more
if he's going to talk about the Notre Dame rivalry
or or what it's like to coach at USC ever
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as far as what their traditions are and what you're
supposed to do as a USC head coach.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
And I think a lot of that kind of escapes him.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
If he had won, if he's had more success, maybe
they'd take him a little bit more seriously. But I'm
not sure who takes him seriously When he talks about it.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
It sounds like an air rate approach. Is that a
fair way of putting him?
Speaker 8 (35:11):
Yes, everything weak and offensive is an air rate approach.
JJ Reddick is an air raid in him. No, we
don't need a big guy. Look, we're in it offensively.
Look we almost took the lead at one point. We're fine.
My philosophy is great. This has nothing to do with
my philosophy to shape. Yeah, yeah, no, I got a
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forty year old and a fat guy. Let's play him
the whole time.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Dang, what was your memories like Petros Like you guys
didn't do well against Notre Dame when you were in
school all that.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
That's not true.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
We beat Notre Dame in a ninety seven on a
field goal.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
That's true. Then you beat him again. That wasnighting. And
then we were out there in ninety eight and uh,
you beat him no, no, and to nothing.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
Yeah, ten nothing. We beat him ninety eight here, and
then in ninety nine I was out there lost, I
was hurt, and there was like one of the great
comebacks in the history of the rivalry after a big
a big lead that we had built.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
That was that was upsetting.
Speaker 8 (36:16):
And then in two thousand they beat us here with
what was the name of the white guy.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
The vecchio matt leo.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
Oh, yeah, some try hard puck ass quarterback in the
great number ten.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Yeah, and we got beat.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
So but what were your memories connected to it, Like,
is there anything in particular that.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
You remember if you want to talk about it. I
don't know. I would loved about it before. I love dying, Yeah,
I would love it. Like it's on life support. They've
called him hospice and the robbery is dead.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
The rivalry is not dead, damn it. I saw Bob
Davey hit the ground.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (36:55):
There used to be a tighter tunnel.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
I turned that job.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
Yeah, from what I understand, there was a tighter tunnel
in Notre Dame Stadium when I was playing than there
is now.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
They might even have them come out of opposite tunnels
or something. Yeah, Actually the tunnel's never changed. They have
the away team now come out through a different tunnel.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
Got it, so they can avoid some of the yeahles,
We were lined up like opposite Notre Dame, like literally
on one side of the tunnel and they were on
the other side of the tunnel. What would you be saying,
I got I mean, this was nineteen ninety seven and
I was very I was young. You know, this was
my first trip out there, never never been there before,
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and it's a it's an overwhelming place to take the field.
At least it was for me as far as the
cradle of college football and watching USC Notre Dame my
whole life, and hearing the song and the big Midwestern
sky and all that. For a kid from Los Angeles area,
that was pretty darn special. And we were we were
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lined up on one side of the tunnel and they
were lined up on the other. And I don't know
if I've told you this story. They had a you know,
they always have a leprechaun, you know, like a guy
who's a leprechaun running around and uh, you know, it's
like a different kind of mascot because you can see
the guy's face. You know, it's not like a chick
in there or an administrator or somebody like you know,
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whoever's in the costume. It's it's a person kind of
like the guy or the lady that's on top of Traveler,
the USC horse. So I don't know what it was
or what happened, but this in ninety seven, the leprechaun
was a black guy. Oh.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
I was just about to ask you did you get
the black leper Kahn got the black level? Okay, perfect,
I knew there was there was something too. I was like,
it's because.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
That's why you like reggae.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
Well, I mean the leper con the Leprechaun being len
For whatever reason, the Leprechaun's race incensed some of.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
The black guys on our football team.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah, like they were making fun of black people. Yeah,
I don't make a black man was gone.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
It's like, do you know how many black guys have
fought for the right to be the Leprecaun?
Speaker 8 (39:12):
And now it's not like I was going to be
able to explain that to some of my teammates through
my face mask. You know, when I was a very
young player. Well, this guy, this guy was obviously very
much into his job. He was proud to be the Leprechaun.
And he was not a big man, but he was
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you know, he was black.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Uh, usually the little black man, little black leper count
little black like Kevin Hart, right and uhang literally you
know is.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
He not small? I mean?
Speaker 8 (39:43):
And then you know, usually the Leprechaun is a white guy,
not just a white guy, but a white guy with red.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Hair, right, so ginger like Prince which is like connected
to Ireland right right?
Speaker 8 (39:55):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, and he could also be punching
somebody in the face while Drake King as well, and
that would be even more connected. And you know, maybe
he has like twenty kids nine months apart. Another Irish.
Speaker 9 (40:08):
You know, the Irish said, thus Irish triplets. This guy
happened to be something iris Irish twins. All right, this
guy happened. He checked off the kid thing.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Man, can he check can he check off the Irish part?
Being a black Irish.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
I'm telling you I don't know the guy.
Speaker 8 (40:25):
I just knew it was a black leopard.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Did any sound Irish when you heard?
Speaker 8 (40:29):
I don't remember what he was saying, but whatever he did,
Tyrone O'Malley, whatever, Tyrone O'Malley did that dayang incense some
of the black guys on our team. And just so
you know, in ninety seven US he did have more
than one black guy. Yeah, it was you know, they
had integrated the team Tang.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Then ninety seven it was integrated by time.
Speaker 8 (40:52):
It wasn't like the SEC, which was all white still
in nineteen seventy Tang.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
It was.
Speaker 8 (40:59):
Whatever happened both. It was like the movie like Braveheart
or three hundred when you see the two armies come together,
you know, the Leprechaun, the leper Kahn, because the gigantic
team wide fight in the tunnel between USB.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
That's Chris Claiborne, Chris.
Speaker 8 (41:21):
Lay, Cory Minor. You know, they had the little Mexican
punt returner and everything comes back to race for me anyway,
and that's era I'll never forget. You know, Bob Davey,
like Van Gundy style, was on the ground like holding
onto somebody's leg, you know. And this was before for
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whatever reason, there was no TV camera in there, so
you know, no one saw the fight. There was some
reports of it, and it got broken up pretty quickly
and we went, yes, pet Us.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
You've done an impression before. That's one of my all
time favorite. It's it's you talking trash with your mouthguard
in Oh yeah, well what was this a moment game?
Speaker 8 (42:06):
No, I didn't say anything. I was just dumbfounded. But uh,
later in the game, well right, you know, when the
game started, Notre Dame had a punt returner kick returner
named Alan Rossam who was guy played long time in
the NFL and really explosive guy. And on the opening
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kick he almost took it like he took it eighty
And I was pretty fast in those days, and I
ran him down and tackled him on our opposite twenty
and I mean it was the first play of the
game and I.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
Stood up and you know, they are purple.
Speaker 8 (42:49):
I was like, oh my god. He said my name,
you know. And I remember walking off the field and
our old trainer at USC who was who was my
father's trainer when when my dad played there.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
He was so old.
Speaker 8 (43:03):
Once he cut a cost cast off my hand and
sliced my entire palm.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
He was like, you did it. You saved a touchdown.
You saved a touchdown. And then the next play he
just watched it.
Speaker 8 (43:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (43:17):
And the next play, just watch you chase him down.
Speaker 8 (43:20):
And then the next play they scored a touchdown. I
was like, I saved it. But that was the game.
We ended up winning on a field goal. And I
remember we went back into the locker room after the game,
and at that time, the Notre Dame visiting locker room
had a real low ceiling, and everybody started jumping up
and down, and the ceiling started to cave in, and
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they did something like of like ten dollars of damage
to the to the locker room.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
And I remember John Robinson saying, like, stop it, star,
you know, and.
Speaker 8 (43:56):
That was so I remember.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (44:01):
Some of our players are also such a wet feeling,
like Richard Nick, who cares if he's black, and one
of the hold.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
On mant me what you get carried away for? Don't
what you're doing?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
That?
Speaker 6 (44:21):
God, that John Robinson impression is my favorite.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
Well, you know, he's an old man.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
He died.
Speaker 8 (44:27):
You know, no one remembers anymore. You know, he used
to be very significant, but any day. I also remember
some of our players in the sc Notre Dame game.
In that particular game in ninety seven, the first time
I'd ever been to South Bend, and I've only been
a few times.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (44:46):
A lot of our players had also never seen a kilt.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Yeah, so that threw them off.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
Well, I mean these dudes running around with dresses on. Man, Yeah,
yeah hurts. Like if you don't cut off the field,
I'm gonna pull up your skirt it.
Speaker 8 (44:59):
You know, like that kind of your cat that. Yeah,
it's like the six foot white guy and you know,
right up behind him as some dude breathing in his
ear from Fremont.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
High like hey, I see your skirt. You know. It
was kind of a.
Speaker 8 (45:14):
Memorable trips, uh, no, no doubt about that. And uh
I hope, I hope that was enough of a dissertation
for somebody to hear and and scrap the idea that
sc Notre Dame shirt?
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Were you happy as Like what was you feeling when
you made that tackle though?
Speaker 5 (45:30):
Like for real?
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Because I know when you make a big play, like
like I don't know about you, Like I didn't hear
anything during the plays. It's weird, like everything goes quiet
for me, but as soon as I make a play,
I can hear everything.
Speaker 8 (45:44):
Yeah, it was a disorienting experience for me, you know.
So it was just like you were relieved that you
got to him. Well with my head all bobbling around,
you know. Uh yeah, everything that happened to me in
a football game happened so fast. I didn't really realize
it until, you know, it was just done fifteen seconds later.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
And that I think is what sometimes escapes.
Speaker 8 (46:06):
People watching sports, especially college football, because of the young
people and the pressure involved.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
I think, I guess what I'm trying to ask you
Petros though, is like did you get action because you
made a big play on special teams against Notre Dame?
Like when y'all were drinking beers later on and hanging out.
Did you well?
Speaker 5 (46:26):
Were you popular?
Speaker 8 (46:27):
We had to fly home, you know, and you know,
so you don't get home till like four or five
in the morning, okay, when you play at South Bend.
I do remember my grandmother, God rest her soul. You know.
I grew up in a liquor warehouse. My grandfather owned
liquor stores. So she would always bring a box of
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little tiny liquor bottles lee and then hand it. She
always traveled, so you know, she would hand me like,
you know, maybe eight or nine or twenty bottles or twenty, yeah,
and I'd share them on the plane. I mean, guys
would say, did your grandma come? And we would we
would we would drink the liquor in the back of
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the plane. I believe there was a fistfight on the
plane on the way home, some set tripping on the
way home. And I also believe that Chad Morton was
bullying a guy that we that we had on the teammates,
that Chad was bullying a guy that had turetts called shakes.
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And right when we arrived like four in the morning,
right when we arrived at the hotel, Uh Uh, Shakes
had had enough and just started to beat Chad's ass.
And I remember people stopping team officials from intervening so
Shakes could get a few more shots. So no chicks
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talked to me after that game, but I saw two fights,
one of them was gang related, and we got home
at like four in the morning. And the next day
John Robinson said in the BOS sometimes.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
They can't drain the fluid off of his mouth.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
I mean, geez.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
The transition back to the Lakers, two questions, how will
the season be remembered and how will how will they
transition this offseason to get this roster to a point
where they where they can compete for championships because clearly
they need a big man. There's the questions around Brownie.
(48:47):
There's the questions around conditioning.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
If you ask J. J Reddick, you know so, So
that's kind of the other part of the question.
Speaker 8 (48:54):
Well, I think that everything that everybody said at the
beginning of the season was kind.
Speaker 5 (49:01):
Of the way it all came to fruition.
Speaker 8 (49:03):
Right, JJ Reddick is immature, and he's going to get
exposed at some point, and man, he got his balls washed.
You know, from the middle of the regular season on,
everybody was saying, Wow, what a great job we did
hiring JJ Reddick. And sure he's condescending and he's really
insufferable to listen to, but look.
Speaker 5 (49:23):
At what a great job he did.
Speaker 8 (49:24):
And many really handled out how to deal with Jokich
and blah blah blah, and ultimately in the playoffs he
ended up trying to do stuff that no one had
ever done before. And there's a reason because he got exposed.
I mean, he got whatever it means for his future
as a coach, I don't know, but he got exposed.
(49:45):
The brawny doesn't deserve to be in the NBA. That
played itself out too, you know, to where he had
the worst shooting percentage of the worst this, this, this,
and this, you know in the NBA. Probably absolutely should
have stayed in college and continue to develop. And ultimately
Lebron looked too old at the end, and Luca looked
(50:06):
too fat.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
At the end.
Speaker 8 (50:08):
Well you know what does that mean going? And they
weren't big enough, which is what everybody said. And I
thought that that guy Windhorse made an interesting point. Had
they made that trade with Charlotte and brought in that
big man, would JJ Reddick even have played the guy,
which is a great question. So I don't know what
it means for the future, but basically it's kind of
(50:31):
like Danny Green. The Lakers are who we thought they were,
and that's why we took the field. Yeah, yeah, they
are who we thought.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
They Mike Drop, Hey, pet Trust, we got a little
something special for you here if you're ready for it.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
This courtesy of NBC.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Way back in nineteen ninety seven, the opening kickoff between
the Trojans and the Fighting Irish from South Bend.
Speaker 8 (51:04):
At well underway here at Harry Dame Stadium.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Wissom has it at the four yard line the.
Speaker 11 (51:11):
Fifteen twenty, has a good return up the middle to
the park side across the book. Still going at the fifty,
he steps two tackles at the twenty five yard light,
an unbelievable return at Petro's papadotas saves the touchdown.
Speaker 5 (51:33):
Nothing fancy about this return to Yo.
Speaker 8 (51:36):
I even have a photo of it, and somebody sent
me me tackling. That's like one of like four tackles
I made as a college football player, So we're very proud,
thank you. Wow, that's amazing production.
Speaker 6 (51:49):
Was that was that don Kricky on the call.
Speaker 8 (51:52):
Somebody like I just remember would have done the radio,
I believe right.
Speaker 5 (51:56):
I think it was something like that.
Speaker 8 (51:58):
I remember meeting with two very old men before the
game is one of the subjects because I was supposed
to carry the ball a bunch of that game, which
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (52:09):
And uh then I felt kind of stupid.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
About that great play though, and he got it. You
got a very first play the game, the old p Petros.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
Well.
Speaker 8 (52:18):
See, I mean a lot of the time people tell
football stories and they misremember or whatever, or they say
they were in China when they were really you know,
in Florida.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
But I I that actually, you.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Go, who are you going for?
Speaker 5 (52:32):
Right there? Who did you just think?
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Who'd you fire at Petros?
Speaker 6 (52:35):
I think it really shows.
Speaker 8 (52:37):
Your got running for vice president.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Really, it shows your your ability to focus, especially after
that Donnie brook all caused by a black leper cown
time tonal moments before the game.
Speaker 8 (52:49):
Well, I think it was overall it was racial insensitivity.
It caused me to make the tackle.
Speaker 6 (52:53):
Yeah, I agree, we got to get one back.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
I just didn't realize how racially motivated and simulated Jonas
Knox is until I knew that race always played a
little bit into what he's got going on. But now
I realize how deep that river runs in him.
Speaker 8 (53:10):
I just remember the name of their Mexican punt return.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Now, now, can I ask you guys, this is there
the possibility that there could ever be a Mexican leprechaun?
Speaker 5 (53:24):
Yeah, you know female?
Speaker 8 (53:30):
How about this? So len a male one of the
world's greatest actors of all time since passed away.
Speaker 5 (53:37):
Most people thought he was a Greek man.
Speaker 8 (53:40):
He was not Mexican. Irish Anthony Quinn, the original Mexican Leprechaun. Yeah,
really yeah, guns An Avaron damn.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Very interesting about that.
Speaker 5 (53:53):
I know all about that.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
Well, I guess i'll deth hold a little bit here.
The Irish guard, which Petress you can probably speak.
Speaker 5 (54:01):
To you if you remember. They were the really really
tall dudes.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
They had to be like six three, right, But that's
all changed now too, which it's it's a little.
Speaker 5 (54:14):
I mean, the whole point of it.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
I think their physical presence was supposed to be imposing.
Right now, I regard that right and now and now
they don't have to be six three anymore. They don't
have to be you know, quite fill out the same
build I think they used to. That's changed a bit too.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
So they've softened softened up on.
Speaker 5 (54:32):
It, and they let chicks do it too. I'm not
going that far. I'm just saying it's not like it used.
Speaker 8 (54:39):
To be, all right, So we've lost all our traditions.
Speaker 6 (54:44):
I'm not sure if there by the way, if you
were easily offended, this was not the segment for you.
Speaker 5 (54:55):
I had none of that.
Speaker 8 (54:56):
I just came out to the tunnel. I was overwhelmed.
I don't still liver Kahn was black. I didn't know
why it upset my teammates so much. I wish there
was trash dog through the mouthguard. That's all I wish.
Speaker 5 (55:07):
Oh here, so.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
You get him on X at the old pet to
pick it up off the dirty ground and stick it
back in your mouth.
Speaker 6 (55:24):
He goes to the Petro's Money show.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
You could hear on the blow Tour A M five
seventy l a sports Petros.
Speaker 6 (55:30):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (55:31):
There you can be all right, love y'all, all right,
bro back at save the rivalry
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