Best of the Week: 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

This week on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Steelers need to be prepared to get what they paid for. The Old P, Petros Papadakis stops by for his weekly visit to talk some MLB rivalries and College Football recruiting.  Justin Turner plays a harmless joke. The Bengals and Knicks are comparably dysfunctional and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Aarings and rating Win and Jonas Knox
on four Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Because the NBA wants to take their sweet ass time
with getting to these games, they've extended the talking points
or the ability to talk through the in between of
game two and Game three, but there's nothing really.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Worth talking about when it comes to that.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
So we just got to wait our turn and instead
shift gears and focus in on the story that you
thought was going to be done. And you thought we
were going to move on and just focus on the
stuff on the field, and then all of a sudden,
the details started to trickle out. When it comes to
Aaron Rodgers and the saga and signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Who wrote this? Who wrote this? Expect who typed this out?
When did Albert become Albert Brie? Mike wrote this? Oh yeah,
that was a profate Mike, you forgot an r. Yeah
it's Breer. I don't know. I mean, even even the

(01:17):
best of the best need editors. You know that, you
know people to proof read it, at least you know
Albert Albert Brie. I'm all right, who's that what what
insider is that? Huh, maybe he was hanging with Lee.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Dan.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Hey, Lee, I'm just saying it's not beyond the realm
of possibility that Mike could have been, you know, bending
and bending the elbow a little bit. You know, Mama's
Mama's truth juice. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Uh, Well, listen, he.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Really wanted to read it too, Lee. He's like man,
he is like me. You see it, Albert Albert Briham
Si you say, oh my god, just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
But that is one of the details that has come
out when it comes to the Aaron Rodgers situation and
the details of the contract that he did sign with
the Pittsburgh Steelers. As we mentioned yesterday, we will get
to hear from Rogers. He is scheduled to speak with
the media in Pittsburgh later on today. We did an
over under on how many questions before somebody asked him
about the wedding ring or whatever that ring was yesterday.

(02:41):
We'll await the results and have those results coming up tomorrow.
Did they ask him, No, not yet, because they talk
later today.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
Today. The day Soday's the big day. Today's a big day.
He must have the mighty fallen if today is the
big day because you're interviewing a guy.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
You gave a one year deal nineteen million dollars, which
somebody's only going to make like just one dollar over
ten million.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
I got news for you, anybody, I got news for you,
anybody that's got Aaron Rodgers fatigue. Why don't you tell
somebody in the NFL to do us as solve and
get arrested. Okay, give us something else to talk about.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Or go or go do something else with your for weeks.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, that too.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
I'm so sick. I'll see you on a couple of months.
Used to you too, biggest? You came in hot.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Oh my god, I can't get out my mom.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
I literally can't it.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
It's been like it's hard to unhear it and see
it once you once you heard.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
But uh so so with that, we do have the details.
According to Albert Bree of SI, doc is laid out
by Mike Floria. We'll listen it, it happens.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Who cares?

Speaker 2 (04:03):
But point is the incentives.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Hey, I would have caught that.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
The incentives that come along with the Aaron Rodgers contract
or the following if he participates in seventy percent of
the offensive snaps in the regular season. If that threshold
is satisfied. Here's what he'll get if the Steelers make
the playoffs. Will go one at a time. You tell
me how likely this is. Lamar Steelers make the playoffs

(04:30):
and gets five hundred thousand dollars likely, Okay, if they
earn a first round buy and if they win in
the wild card round, Rogers takes at least half the
snaps six hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Depends, all right, depends.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
If they win the divisional round. And you know, let's
what can we spice this up a little bit? You
got any game show music, maybe Pittsburgh Steeler polka in
the like let's go ahead and I'll go with the polka.
Oh yeah, let's dust off a parole.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom
boom boom boom boom. You know they played the same
thing for Groundhog Day.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy, one of them.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
It's the same song, but they made it the Pittsburgh
Steelers song, the original guys. Come on, I mean, people
have a lot of perceptions.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
About us, you know how we are, but didn't Steelers
Polka come before.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
I don't know, I probably would. I don't know. That's
that's a that would be a great trivia question. Yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
Kidding the Pittsburgh Steelers, Chuck Maull and all his friends,
them Steelers.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Joe used to dance. What do Italians dance like? Why
do you want Italians dance like that?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Common?

Speaker 7 (06:02):
So let me jump it? What maybe Dan's are like that? Okay,
come on, man, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Snail tramp you can't.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
You can unsee that one either.

Speaker 8 (06:20):
So so the we continue on the incentive of gravity,
the incentive details of the Aaron Rodgers contract. If so
if these Steelers, if they earn a first round by
if they win in the wildcard round with Rogers taking
at least half the snaps to get six hundred grand,
If they win in the divisional round and Rogers takes
at least half the snaps, seven hundred and fifty thousand,

(06:43):
still doable.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
All of those are doable. I don't think they'll win
the division but I think all like they could possibly.
I think they'll make the playoffs. They could possibly win
their divisional round in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
So are they going to win the AFC title game
because if so Rogers and Rogers takes at least half
the snaps, he gets a million dollars.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah no, if they win stick and you know what,
you want to know what's ridiculous about them doing that?
I mean, I'm gonna just be honest. What's what's ridiculous
about them doing that is if if you're expecting Aaron
Rodgers to be that good, Okay, we get we can stop,

(07:29):
we can yeah, yeah, yeah, this is I'm a stripper music.
Hey hey, easy, now talking about my hometown. So here's
the thing, right, if you're bringing Aaron Rodgers in, and
you're bringing him in with the idea that he's that

(07:49):
good where he can win the AFC North your division,
or he can get you into the playoffs out of
your division as a wild card. If you believe he's
good enough to get you out of the divisional round,
if you believe he's good enough to get you to
the AFC Championship Game, if you believe he's good enough

(08:10):
to get you to the super Bowl, why the hell
did you give him this little ass one year contract.
And if you're going to give him a one year contract,
why did you give him a contract that is comparable
comparable to a rookie, because this isn't his contract comparable

(08:31):
to cam Warts. It's less than that. It's less than
cam Warts. So that that would be my this would
be my question. This is where I'm having a hard
time trying to keep these gators on the ground. Give
me three claps in a woo. This is the problem

(08:54):
I have with it again. And I said this yesterday.
You know how they say the sayings to all these
these athletes that are coming up. You can't go in
the backyard and give and give a regular effort and
expect all American results.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
You can't set the stage for the standard to be
that high, and you're not setting the standard of what
the belief is coming into it. So to me, it's
like if you believe that you can do discounted parts

(09:33):
on a car for the Daytona, if you think you
could do discounted guys to help put the car together,
if you think you could do a discounted driver to
drive your car, and you put all these incentives in there,
and you say, okay, if you if you come in first,

(09:56):
if you come in second, we're gonna pay you all
this money, which isn't even that much money, but we're
gonna pay you all this money if you're able to
go out there drive this car with generic parts, guys
that aren't the best in the business, putting the car together,
making sure they run the proper diagnostics of it, and this,

(10:19):
that and the other, and know that the car, without
a shadow of a doubt is running at the highest
of levels when you drive it and the driver is like,
I don't know, maybe ranked thirtieth out of all the
drivers driving. And you're saying, but if you're able to

(10:39):
be as good as the top half of those guys,
because if he's coming out of the AFC, that means
he had to be better than Lamar Jackson. Let's not
even go outside of the north just yet. You had
to be better than Jackson. You had to be better
than Burrow. You had to be better than Mahomes. You
had to be better than Alan, you had to be

(11:00):
better than uh Stroud, you had to be better than
the upper echellance players in the AFC. And you don't
even get play, you don't even get paid like any
of those guys. To me, this is a problematic situation
because you're hadging your bets. You're feeling like you're getting

(11:23):
a ton of value without having to pay for it.
So I don't understand why you could think the results
are going to be this profound, outstanding result when that's
not what you paid for. I mean, and wasn't last
year enough of an example. This is not the way

(11:44):
to go about doing it.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean we're not even done yet. Come, I mean,
do you want to know how he can earn an
extra three million dollars Aaron Rodgers if they win the
super Bowl and if he's the MVP of the regular season,
extra three million bucks?

Speaker 3 (12:01):
I'm again again, I'll say again, I'll say if you,
if you're if you believe that he holds that type
of value at this point, will you bring him into
your your organization where you would actually put those things
which listen, a contract is a contract. You're going to
put escalators and the incentives into the contract. Problem is

(12:24):
is that you got to have somebody who stimulated and
motivated by those types of incentives that are connected to
those types of numbers. My biggest question to you, Jonas
would be is are these incentives along with those accomplishments.
Is it feasible to think that Aaron Rodgers is motivated

(12:47):
by the dollars and the incentives to go after it
and get it for the amount of time he's going
to have to go out there and get it.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well, that's why this another detail that came out yesterday
about the tract which is kind of interesting, and this
also pointed out by Mike Florio that sources tell him
that Rogers would have played for even less than the
Daily signed, but that his agent pushed him to take more.
It's still not knowing how Rogers can pump up his
pay from thirteen to nineteen, but at that time they

(13:19):
were like, well, you know, one of the factors is
winning the Super Bowl, et cetera. So as we laid out,
that's how you get to that number. But even at
that number, reportedly Rogers would have taken less, but his
agent said, no, take a little bit more. Now, whether
or not that's true, I who the hell knows, But
whether it's true or not, does it matter. No, And
they got he's you have discounted Aaron Rodgers. So now

(13:41):
he's doing the belt discount double check, not just for
the commercial, for the insurance or whatever. He's doing it
because that's his real reality right now. Well, and also
the other aspect, and we kind of touched on this
a little bit yesterday that people were pointing out was well,
it was the Steelers third option because as we lay out,
they wanted Matthew Stafford, they wanted to resign justin Field,

(14:03):
so they settled on Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Oh and by the way, what number were they option
wise for Aaron Rodgers? I mean, nobody, Neither one of
them is coming to the party and has left the
party Like me, dude, like me, I'm leaving the party
with who I wanted to leave with. Otherwise I'm gonna
leave alone. Like that's just not it's just not worth

(14:26):
it to leave the party with somebody that you didn't
want to leave the party with. But unfortunately for you,
unfortunately for the other person involved, you didn't get who
you wanted.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Okay. But I think that the way that that is
laid out, okay, has made it behind the bar, has
made it to sound way, it's made it to probably
not made it to sound way.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Worse than it actually is.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
So because if you just broke down each individual player
that they're discussing here, well, they wanted Matthew Stafford they
can get. Of course, other teams wanted Matthew Stafford. The
Giants wanted Matthew Stafford, like there was other teams that
were in the mix for Matthew Stafford. They didn't get him,
then it was well they wanted Justin Fields not bad enough.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
The Jets wanted him.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, I mean, let's let's not pretend like the other
was an offer made. They were far apart on guaranteed money.
But if it was so, if everything was going so smoothly,
why did they still ride with Russell Wilson towards the
end when Russell Wilson and the offensive coordinator Arthur Smith
didn't even get along and people in the building wanted
them to go back to Justin Fields, and still they
didn't make the move.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
And by the way, if this is the deal you
gave Aaron Rodgers, what did the dal look like you
was offering Justin Field like that?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
That's my point, is this idea that people are looking
at this as, oh, well, he's just the third option,
and they're taking all right, fine, But what does it
matter if you actually broke all that down. Matthew Stafford
was a pipe dream. Justin Fields. Clearly it didn't go
well enough, else they wouldn't have let him out of
the building or let him lose that starting job last year.

(16:06):
And it wasn't because of injury or really poor play.
They just wanted to give the opportunity to Russell Wilson.
So Rogers is your guy, the incentive, the contract, all
of that stuff. I don't think any of it matters.
The bottom line is this is more than likely Rogers
last year. And if things go poorly enough as matter yesterday.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
It doesn't matter for Aaron because you ain't paying me
that much anyway, Like you gave me an opportunity to
come play another year. Thank you, good night and God.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
And I don't think that in the back of his mind,
this is all about, well, super Bowl, super Bowl, I
gotta win another super Bowl. I think he's at peace
with it.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Then?

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Why are you doing it?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
I think he wants to go out on a smoother
note than what happened with the Jets.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
That's my thought.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
My opinion is I think he looks at what happened
with the Jets.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
You're not going on thun grows. You're not going to
undo what you did, and those two seasons with one
season unless you win a super Bowl, I think it's
I don't think and if he thinks that he's going
to undo what took place in New York with the
amount of talent that was on that team and he
got a one year reprieve because he got hurt in

(17:16):
year one. If he thinks that he's going to go
into Pittsburgh and win a Super Bowl and that's going
to erase everything that has happened in New York and
he can walk out of the league in the game
with a blaze of glory, that should be disturbing.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
If he finished last year either on the bench, injured,
couldn't come back to full health, or looked similar to
how Kirk Cousins looked last year in Atlanta, I don't
think Rogers comes back. I think the back end of
last season and the way that the Jets wanted to
maybe move on or distance themselves from him, I think

(17:54):
he looked at that and said.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
All right, screw it.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
If there's a situation that I look at and go, oh,
all right, no drama, no no weirdness tied to the organization,
no dysfunction. If there's a place similar to what I
came in the league with in Green Bay, it's probably Pittsburgh,
and I think he goes out after a year with Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Can you say that is what? Can we really say
that about the Pittsburgh Steelers? All right? You might want
to think about that. I mean, look, think about it.
They just got rid of their number one receiver, who
was their number one receiver before pickings.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
But to their to their credit, when they've had issues elsewhere,
whether it be Antonio Brown and all that stuff, you
heard maybe some rumblings, it wasn't until those guys were
out the building that you're like, oh God, I'm gonna
pushback on that one.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
I think.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
I think there has been drama that has come out
of the locker room far before, like long before those
guys were being let go. I think the rumblings of
what that locker room is like, what the deterioration of
the culture of what the Pittsburgh Steelers have historically represented

(19:07):
has been discussed. I think it has been discussed, and
I think it has been a growing conversation since Ben
Roethlisberger's last few years there. It's been that long that
the conversation of questioning the like ask ask Terry Bradshaw,

(19:30):
He'll tell you. You know, you sit there and you hear
some of the older guys that played for the team
and talking about it, even listening to Plexico talk about
it at one point. The one thing that has been
discussed by guys who have played there has ultimately, in
a lot of regards, has been the same. It's like,

(19:51):
people love Mike Tomlin. People believe in Mike Tomlin, but
there's elements of what the culture that was rep presentation
of what Pittsburgh was and has been historically has been deteriorating.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, but you can't even put them in the Jets
in the same category of dysfunction.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
You can't put them in the set. You cannot put
them in the same category. That is true.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
That is very true, and I think that that element
with the Jets was probably a turn off. And even
in saying that, Rogers was like, listen, I'm open to
coming back. I feel good about how my body went
and was progressing at the end of last year, and
I'd like to give it another go, and they wanted
to move in a different direction. I think he still

(20:36):
believes that the back end of last season that he
can still play at a high enough level that why
not give it one more year?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Which one is better? A better loser or just a
bad loser? Which one is better? What do you mean,
which one's better? Would you rather be a better loser
or just a bad loser. I'd rather be a better loser,
would you?

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Because then I can blame people around me. Hell yeah,
see to me, to me. The Pittsburgh Steelers are a
better loser, meaning they win, they go to the playoffs,
they don't have losing seasons, but the expectations for them
are so low for a team that wins, whereas the

(21:23):
New York Jets, it's like everything is a bonus. If
you do well. Bonus, win a game, bonus, make it
to the playoffs. Bonus when your your division, bonus when
your conference. Holy moly, the world is coming to an end.
Let's not make it to the super Bowl play for

(21:44):
a super Bowl? Holy smokes? What comes next? As it rain?
I mean, I'm just saying, bro, I'd rather be a
bad loser than a good loser. So if you're gonna suck, suck,
if I'm gonna lose, I don't want to be a
fringe losers. It's false hope. And you know what it does.

(22:06):
It creates false expectations and you know what, false expectations
turn into rage, Yeah, but anger.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
But it does leave U leave a little bit of
some interesting storylines for week one when they got the Jets,
you know.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
And it made for a good storyline today, you know,
and in the heat of June, the dog days of
radio and no dog days, I don't need no cat
days and need more it is.

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Speaker 4 (23:13):
It's popping with y'all.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Hello us bad bade make it? Petro?

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Did you know that sounds? Did you prefer that? Did
you prefer that one of the the previous one, which
I think ladder?

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 9 (23:26):
But the previous, the previous the former was awful and
then you know, so was the Ladder.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Let's be honest, but you know it's a little bit
of an improvement.

Speaker 9 (23:38):
It's not Project Pat Chickenhead. Now, that would be something
and we could all get to.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
But that that, I mean, that's a good.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
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Speaker 4 (23:56):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Petros? I got a I didn't know that this was
a topic of conversation. But some people are trying to
judge whether or not the Dodgers Padres is a rivalry.

Speaker 9 (24:08):
I think it's a certainly a twenty first century deal, right.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
I mean Max Munsey said that the Giants Dodgers is
more of a rivalry.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
But that's a real rivalry. Trying to the Padres.

Speaker 9 (24:20):
I mean it's like saying, you know, there's rivalries that
last the hundreds of years. There's rivalries that go back
to the birth of the sport kind of like USC
Notre Dame, something we've been talking about a lot over the.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Last few years.

Speaker 9 (24:37):
And there's rivalries that are of interest now because San
Diego has Manny Machado and Tatis and Jackson Merrill and
they're a good baseball team. And the Giants just won
six straight, albeit there playing the Rockies mostly. But it's
a great division. The NL West is an absolute fire

(25:00):
ball right now, and it's fun to watch because and
you know, the talking point from the Dodger people is, well,
the only reason the division is this close is because
the Dodgers are so beat up and they don't have
any pitching and all of their pitching guys are hurt.
And now they're slowly coming back. Blake Smell's working out again,

(25:21):
Otani's getting ready to pitch, maybe even before the All
Star break. So there's a lot of movement there. But yeah,
I mean, people go to the games in mass The
games are all sold out. They're screaming the entire time.
There's a lot of social media buzz and excitement and action.

(25:43):
They meet each other in the playoffs every year, it seems,
and have epic battles and there's vitriol between the managers
between from the last year's playoffs.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
There's all kinds of stuff there.

Speaker 9 (25:59):
So and Manny Machado remember, used to be a Dodger
and ended up with the Padres signing there so. I
mean they did the crying Kershaw do you remember that?
Oh yeah, from a couple of years ago. They beat
the Dodgers, and I don't know why the Dodgers are
so but hurt about this, but they did like a
meme of Kershaw crying and ringing mission mel up on their.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
JumboTron or their big screens.

Speaker 9 (26:25):
And there's a lot of meat on the bone between
the Dodgers and the Padres. Now, Kirk Boom, Yeah, does
it go way back to the nineteenth century?

Speaker 4 (26:36):
No?

Speaker 9 (26:38):
Does it speak to the expansion to the West Coast
of Major League Baseball with the Dodgers and the Giants
leaving Brooklyn and New York respectively, and then those colors
and the orange and Blue being replaced and turned into
the New York Mets. You know, all of that stuff
is endless. It's a great rivalry. It's Vince Scully, it's

(27:02):
Willie Mays, It's Tommy Lasorda, it's Juan Marishal.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
It's all that stuff.

Speaker 9 (27:08):
But there's been a lot of fire and brimstone between
the Dodgers and the Padres for decades. And right now
the Padres, I know they have some financial issues. The owner,
who was a great owner, passed away, and I'm not
sure what the future is. I know their TV deal
is super weird, like Major League Baseball, and they have

(27:29):
a great TV broadcast and Major League Baseball's in charge
of their TV broadcast. They have like the MLB Mike
Flags and stuff like that. But all that being said,
I think Munsy's right. I mean, the real rivalry, the
one hundred and twenty year old rivalry, is Dodgers versus Giants.
Now this, you know, this can change in a lot

(27:51):
of ways. I mean it changed in the nineties for
Washington and Oregon right in the Pac twelve pack, ten
or pack, whatever you wanted to call it. Back then,
it was Washington. Washington State is the Apple Cup, Oregon
Oregon State is the Civil War. And those are great
rivalries and everybody gets involved. But in the last twenty years,

(28:15):
the bigger rivalry in the Northwest that developed that of
anger and hatred and Rick Neuheisel doing something is Washington
versus Oregon and jealousy over who the blue blood in
the Northwest is and Phil Knight and all that. So
these things can change. But it's Giants, Dodgers is the
West Coast Yankees Red Sox, and you know, yes, it's

(28:40):
great when the Red Sox played in Blue Jays or whatever,
but this is a little I mean, Dodgers Padres is exciting,
but it doesn't have the breadth and depth of the
of the history.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Well I'm just gonna ask you that because it does
feel like ESPN still tries to churn out Yankees Red
Sox as if it's you know, twenty years ago, and
you got Pedro Martinez assaulting Don Zimmer, like it's like, well, you.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Know, did he assault Don Zimmer or did don Zimmer
charge it?

Speaker 2 (29:09):
That's fair, I mean it's fair.

Speaker 9 (29:11):
Grabbed Don Zimmer by the ear lobes and did a
little bit of an ola.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
I mean he handled bar his ears.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
You know, I want to see Don Zimmer go down
like that.

Speaker 9 (29:19):
And then the worst part was he went down and
he didn't get up, No, you know, he just went
he just dirted.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
It, which was by the way, that was wild television
back in the day.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Oh it was awesome.

Speaker 9 (29:30):
I mean, it was like it was it was like
one of those simulations and AI you see, we're like
Trump sitting in the Oval office and then he just
starts socking some world leader.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Like that's not real, you know, but it really happened.
Uh yeah.

Speaker 9 (29:43):
But Yankees Red Sox still means a lot to a
lot of people, you know.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
I mean, I know ESPN runs it out like like like.

Speaker 9 (29:51):
Big Noon runs out Brady Quinn versus Liner and every year.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Ready for that right now?

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Oh yeah, Oh, they're gonna watch the game and go
over it again.

Speaker 9 (30:04):
At least we're gonna have to listen to Reggie anyway.
All I'm saying is all I'm saying is these things
are cyclical. But for centuries we've had Yankees Red Sox
and Dodgers Giants and all of those great things. And
Dodgers Padres is really exciting within the context of the
Major League season the last few years.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
But I don't know if it has the staying power.

Speaker 9 (30:27):
If the Padres have the staying power, then then maybe
it will.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Hmm. I'm gonna switch sports on you. You do see that, Okay?
Let's see good with that.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
I'm fine. I'm not you know, I'm not really a
baseball expert, believe it or not.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
I mean you sounded like you were all in on it.

Speaker 10 (30:44):
No, you know.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
I mean that's that's a testament to how good you
are at the craft that that you've chosen to take on.
You know, so I'm proud of you. Bet yours, thank you. Look,
that's that moment where it's like, you know, two contemporaries
that are the same age, you know, compliment one another
because it's like really cool to give a guy, you know,
his props and his just due. Like you're pretty dope

(31:05):
dude at what you do. Anyway, let me let me,
let me throw this one out at you. Let me
hurrow this one out at you. Uh U c l A.
They they were able to get an offensive lineman that
was coincidentally heading to Penn State to flip and yeah
big time, big time.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Michael Jordan in the documentary.

Speaker 9 (31:25):
And I took that personally, and I took that person
I bet you did.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
So Johnny Johnny DJ Jones, he's he's out of Florida,
which is interesting because everybody's recruiting nationally now, and I
know the last time we talked, you're like, listen, they
got to rope off Southern Cawn. They gotta get usc
that is, has to get the talent that's local. But
I guess my question for you would be seeing these

(31:50):
these types of reports continue to pop up, how much
do you think the NIL is playing a part in
how this goes? And do you think a team like
UCLA who has historically not been aggressive and active in
trying to help the football team be able to be
competitive And that could be like taken by offensively by

(32:13):
some people who may say this, but it's true, true,
but it is true they prioritize other things over that,
which isn't a bad thing, but just isn't conducive to
them being a national powerhouse or competitive team to try
to win it. Do you see this becoming the new trend?
And do you see teams or schools like a UCLA,

(32:35):
you know, comeing to the party and say, look, NIL
is going to allow for us to be able to
sign bigger prospects and bigger prospects from around the country.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, well it certainly does.

Speaker 9 (32:45):
Basketball wise, I mean UCLA committed themselves to the NIL.
Basketball wise, some could say they even did that under
John Wooden when it wasn't legal, but those are different
stories for different times. But yeah, they paid a lot
of money back basketball wise, and they were very competitive
in the NIL basketball wise in the last couple of

(33:05):
years for Mick Cronin, and that's made them nationally relevant
throughout the basketball season, which is very different obviously from football.
If we're talking about UCLA, it's very interesting because you're right, LeVar.
I mean, even when I was playing and afterwards, there
was this big pr push for UCLA to be like,

(33:26):
we have one hundred plus national championships. We have all
these different sports, and that's great, not necessarily a bad thing,
but if you're going to have a very special football program,
you have to treat the football program in a very
special way, and they have to be treated separate from
the rest of the sports.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
And I think that has.

Speaker 9 (33:48):
Been an issue for UCLA for years. I know for
a fact it's what pushed Chip Kelly out. Now you
can think that Chip Kelly underachieved at UCLA.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
You can think that he was a weirdo. You can
say that.

Speaker 9 (34:01):
He lost his offensive touch, and maybe all of those
things are true, but It's also true that he didn't
feel as if he got the support necessary to compete
even in the Pac twelve, let alone going into the
Big ten.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
So all of those things are true.

Speaker 9 (34:17):
Now, this offensive lineman that flipped from that, we're using
it as an example for the discussion. This guy from
Florida that flipped from UCLA to Penn State, Like, when
is this guy gonna from Penn State to UCLA? From
Penn State to UCLA to UCLA? When is this guy
allegedly coming to school?

Speaker 3 (34:39):
I mean he's next year, he's a twenty six er exactly.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
And this is the same thing with the u USC High.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Well there's a second.

Speaker 9 (34:48):
The USC High train is like, oh my god, these
guys are coming in twenty twenty six. Everything's gonna change
and this is going to be a great recruiting class
in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
And that's problem for a few reasons.

Speaker 9 (35:01):
Number One, if you're a blue blood or a competitive
college football program and Penn State says, oh we had
this guy, Oh we lost this guy. Okay, well we're
Penn State. We gotta keep on moving on. He might
end up coming back. The point is you can't these
guys I mean, how many freshmen, even if there's a
great freshman class, especially at today's day and age where

(35:23):
teams use the portal to fill gaps as opposed to
playing younger players, how many freshmen, unless it's Travis Hunter
or something, how many freshmen are really going to contribute
to your roster If you have let's say an eighteen
which is very high for today's day and age, I
would imagine like an eighteen person freshman class. Yeah, how

(35:46):
many are going to contribute twenty twenty six?

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Like five? Six? Five? Yeah, exactly right, six or five?

Speaker 9 (35:54):
And that's gonna save USC football a freshman class in
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
And then the crazy thing is is is that guy
really coming? You know?

Speaker 3 (36:04):
It's one that's where I thought you were going with it,
Like are these recruits starting to use this now as
a recruiting a negotiating tool? Like all right, I don't
have any intentions on going to UCLA or wherever the
school may be, but I must say I'm gonna go
here because it shows that, well, i'll de commit. You're
gonna assume that that decommitting is because of money. I mean,

(36:26):
that's just safe to say that that's what we're going
to assume. So now that opens the door. Said, well,
if he'll de commit from Penn State to go to UCLA,
then if I'm USC or somebody else, it's like, okay,
let's come in with a higher number and we land
a top recruit, like by default.

Speaker 9 (36:42):
And is it very different with the de committing and
the committing and I'm taking this trip, I'm not taking
this trip.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
I mean, there is the money part involved, and that
may be a.

Speaker 9 (36:53):
Little bit more above the table negotiation, but honestly, is
it very different than when we were recruited. Guys will commit,
they'll decommit, they'll say they're coming. And another thing like,
and I could say this as a West Coast guy
who doesn't know his elbow from his ass as a
young guy, you know, it's one thing to live in

(37:15):
Florida and be a junior in high.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
School and be like, yeah, that's right. When I'm done,
I'm going to Westwood.

Speaker 9 (37:20):
I'll see you in LA you know, and I pack
up the U haul you know, call you know, she
going to UCLA.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
She'd be trying to party. I mean all of those things,
you know.

Speaker 9 (37:32):
But then when it's actually in practice and you got
to say goodbye to your mom and your East Coast lifestyle,
and you live on the West coast and not everybody
is into football at UCLA, and there's fifteen thousand people
at the game hit the Rose Bowl that fits one hundred,
maybe you feel a little differently about it.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
It's it's a fluid situation for these young people.

Speaker 9 (37:52):
And I don't I feel badly in a way that
recruiting and it happened, I don't know, twenty five years ago,
maybe more thirty years ago, that college football recruiting and
with the NIL and the transfer portal, I guess it's
not as much of a cottage industry as it was,
but it has become a real cottage industry as far

(38:15):
as following where these young men are, identifying these people
when they're very young, just like your son LeVar, and
then identifying them and then following where they're going to go.
And it's easy for us to sit here and point
fingers and be like, look at that kid. He transferred,
you know, five times, or he committed five transferring five

(38:36):
times different, but he committed five to five different schools.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
He said he was going to do this.

Speaker 9 (38:40):
He look at his hat dance his mom got up
and walked out, And you know, it's really easy to
point fingers and laugh at people, and really that's our job.
But at the same time, these are really young people,
they really are, and there's a lot of scrutiny on them.
It is a very difficult thing to be told you're
a great football player and you're going to have a

(39:01):
great career when you're a really young person, because you
have no idea what that means or how it's going
to play out. There are so many different variables between
you and greatness on the field. And we really do
a disservice to these guys by the way we follow them.
The cat is out of the bag, there's no going back.
But I wish we gave them a little more grace

(39:23):
because it's hard to be young. It's hard to be
young and sit in a room with a college football
coach you've seen on television your whole life and that
guy asks you to commit.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
What do you say?

Speaker 9 (39:35):
You know, I understand why these guys, you know, tell
five teams that they're going to be their girlfriend. It's
a very difficult thing as a young person to say
no to these people that are on your side. And
seemingly want you to be part of what they're doing.
And it's it is kind of interesting. So I try

(39:55):
to give these guys grace when they commit, de commit,
Go here, go there. I mean, if you really think
about it, what is modern college football recruiting? I mean
there's a bunch of guys who preach twenty four to
seven about accountability, about keeping your word, about your commitment
to your teammates, about your commitment to living a good life,

(40:18):
your commitment to being a great son or brother or
boyfriend or husband or father, all of these different things
the lip service that we hear from college football coaches.
Yet all they do in recruiting is just bend their
legs backwards to get a young person to go back.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
On their word. Think about that. I mean, that's the
you know.

Speaker 9 (40:42):
I mean, we use all these platitudes about being a
great person and accountable and truth, justice in the American
way and put the s on the chest, and really
these guys go in somebody's room and be like, forget
what you said to Kirby Smart, Come to old mess, right,
you know, I mean, we're to take carry the kiffins.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Do you guys?

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Do you guys find yourself because I've I've found myself
getting more and more exhausted by the storyline surrounding college
football to where it's nil transfer portal college football playoff
twelve team, sixteen automatic qualifiers. This conference wants this, this conference.
And I don't know if it's because I just longed

(41:24):
for simpler times, but I find myself worn out by
the constant discussion about changes that need to be made,
and I just want to watch the games, do Yeah?
And the off season is exhausted, Yeah, I mean really,
I just want to get to the games.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
And that's true, and we're all striving to get to
the games.

Speaker 9 (41:42):
And I guess the NFL and the NBA have found
different ways to entertain people in the off season. You know,
even though nothing actually happens at the draft, everybody watches
like nothing actually happens. There's no real competition that you
know that that's not why we're watching. But and the NBA,

(42:03):
with their free agency and the way that works out
and the hot takes from this person and that person
and who said what on a podcast, that off season
is a lot more easily easily digested than what we
have in college football.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
I think it's a good point, Jonas.

Speaker 9 (42:17):
But that being said, when the season rolls around and
we have the games, it feels a lot better and
it feels a lot more natural, and it feels like
all is not lost, which is a good thing. But yeah,
the college football posts, I mean, this the new committee
that's going to really enforce things. You know, it's like

(42:40):
the the NCAA is hanging on by this skin. They're
like the gambling commission in the song Atlantic City. I mean,
they're barely hanging on and now they're gonna have some
new police siaka please. I mean these stories, I mean
Lincoln Riley trying to wriggle out of the Notre Dame
r I mean, these off seasons stories are pathetic and

(43:03):
they are they are unsavory, and you can't say that
they don't hurt the sport. I'm I'm positive that they
hurt the sport. But when the season starts and we
have that going, that's good. I Mean I remember calling
a game and it was I forget who it was.
I it was Washington State Boise State, and it was
a good game. You know, John Mattier versus Ashton Gent.

(43:24):
I mean, that's a hell of a game last year
for star Power and my play by play guy. Because
play by play guys can't help it. They always they
can't just call the game, you know, they always want
to bring up you know, well, look what's going on
in the Mountain Wars, and you know, and and I
just said, look, I'm glad to be calling a game

(43:46):
where the two teams aren't suing each other.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
By the way, I think I was watching that.

Speaker 9 (43:51):
It's true, right, like you know, I mean, at least
these two teams don't hate each other. They want to
be in the Pac twelve together in a couple of years.
So I mean, and I do feel like we should
dismiss those stories during the season because the season is
special and we still have that competition and the revealing
of virtue with young men working together, which is what
we like about college football.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
But uh, but I take your point. The off season
is exhausting.

Speaker 9 (44:16):
And it's like LeVar said, I mean, this kid, I mean,
this was a big story that offensive lineman that flipped.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
There was a big story that some tight end, the
tight end from not.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
And modern la that's it's a new day and age.

Speaker 9 (44:28):
Man, UCLA's greatest on lineman ever is a Joe Wow Jayo. Yeah,
Ogden who's from way out east, you know Maryland guy?
What Saint Altman's prep? I believe so, I mean that's
that's Uh. They've gotten a lot of a lot of
UCLA doesn't really build the fence in La the way

(44:49):
that sc needs to.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
But I don't think it's possible for them to do
it unless they brought a big old Brinks truck. They
can't even well.

Speaker 9 (44:57):
The one time they tried to do it, Carl Derel
pulled a few you D line types out of Crenshaw,
big kid named Bryce, remember him from Yeah, And Pete
Carroll got so mad he did that whole gang outreach.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Thing on sixty minutes. Remember he was wearing like a
leather jacket.

Speaker 9 (45:14):
Next thing, you know, Pete Carroll was like at at
Nickerson Gardens and Watts like, hey.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Man?

Speaker 3 (45:19):
That's hey, let's compete.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
What are you doing? Hey, what's up?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Complete blood blood.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Like yourself. It's like, okay, Pete, I get it.

Speaker 9 (45:30):
You got mad that Carl Drel got one recruit, so
you bought a black leather jacket and now all of
a sudden you're like cool mode out there.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Okay, what's up? Blood?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Get him on X at the old pet the.

Speaker 9 (45:48):
Harrol Hey strap brother, he's in Naked City right now
recruiting some practice.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
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can hear the blow towards am five seventy l A
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do it again next week.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Thank you. Guys. There he is.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
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Speaker 3 (46:14):
The USC say we are too. Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 2 (46:28):
Those of you that maybe were listening earlier and are
now trying to figure it out, like, hey, we'd Levargo
he was here the first hour. Well, this is how
this works. They are called random peed test for a reason.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
At six fifty five am Eastern time, LaVar Arrington was
administered a random test. At six fifty six am Eastern time,
LaVar Arrington pissed hot can't be condoned, so he will

(47:06):
not be with us for the remainder of the show
how to make the rules and I kinda do, but
hey is what it is. And as some people would say,
tough balls. And speaking of which, I would like to
take this time to defend somebody here on the show.
I would like to defend somebody. And for people listening

(47:28):
on one of those affiliates known as the blowtorch Am
five to seventy LA Sports, you're going to know this
individual very well, very popular figure when he was out
here in Los Angeles, spent many years, was a champion
out here. And that's somebody is Justin Turner. Justin Turner,
who is living out maybe the final days of his

(47:50):
major league baseball career at forty years old, and he
is currently a role player with the Chicago Cubs. He
comes in a little bit of a bit of a
platoon situation, but he comes in great locker room guy,
great clubhouse guy. Everybody loves Justin Turner. Anybody that's followed
the course of his career, anybody out here in Los Angeles,

(48:11):
you know, still very popular him and his wife, the
things they've done locally, just you cannot find anybody. This
is a bad thing about Justin Turner. Everybody loves Justin Turner. Well,
Justin Turner finds himself a little bit of an awkward
predicament that really isn't his fault last night during the

(48:33):
Cubs Pirates game on Marquee Sports. And I know because
I was watching it with my son, who's four years old.
We're watching the game last night. I believe it was
intermission of the Stanley Cup Final, which has been fantastic,
and they decide to award something called the Fan of

(48:56):
the Game at Wrigley Field. Normally, what they do is
they'll find a fan in the crowd and award that
fan as fan of the game, just kind of a
little goofy you know thing marque Sports does. Instead, what
they did is they decided to award it to a player,
and the player they awarded it to was Justin Turner.

(49:19):
The problem is they showed Justin Turner down in the
clubhouse jumping up and down to celebrate his teammate's home run.
That teammate is Saya Suzuki. And apparently nobody at Marquee
who was working the camera or the production noticed that
Justin Turner, while jumping up and down, had a pair

(49:39):
of fake testicles on while doing so. And the best
part is the guys call the game, Boog Shambie and
Jim Deshays, who are fantastic, by the way, they're one
of the best duo calling games anywhere. They just went silent.

(50:00):
They showed Justin Turner jumping up and down. He's got
a pair of fake truck nuts on, and they don't
know what to do. They literally just went silent. And
I would have done anything to be in the booth
to see what was going on, because I guarantee me,

(50:22):
I guarantee they were laughing their ass off. You had
no choice. It was so awkward for everybody, and I've
spotted it in real time. I'm like, wait, wait what
And you can find the video if you go to
social media. Just search Justin Turner. Okay, just search Justin

(50:43):
Turner and it's him jumping up and down with a
pair of fake nuts on. But the problem is nobody
noticed that, and they made him the fan of the game.
And there's no possible way that anybody decided, hey, this
will be a fun one. Let's do let's st fan
of the game on Pride Night no less with Justin

(51:05):
Turner jumping up and down with fake testicles. The whole
thing was phenomenal, so unintentionally funny, and Boogshawbie and Jim
Desias literally couldn't speak. They had nothing to say. They waited.
It was really silent and really awkward, and then they

(51:28):
just continued calling the game. So I would like to
defend Justin Turner from the standpoint of, hey, listen, clubhouse behavior.
Probably shouldn't have been a camera on him. They probably
shouldn't have awarded him fan of the game if he's
jumping around with any sort of male purse between his
legs while celebrating a teammates Homer, Yeah, probably should have

(51:50):
had the camera there. It's why it's the clubhouse and
or locker room for Elite for a reason. There should
be a little bit of privacy there. So I just
want to defend Turner. Also give a shout out to
Fox Sports Radio alum Cole Wright, who is also working
at Marquee Sports. He does a phenomenal job. Cole's fantastic,
so give a shout out to him as well too.

(52:12):
A member of the Fox Sports Radio Alumni Association. I
believe Ben Maller calls it, so congratulations to Cole he's
been doing phenomenal there, and congratulations to whoever decided to
award Justin Turner the Fan of the Game and didn't
happen to pan down, you know, just didn't happen to

(52:32):
pan down. And some people were speculating, are those really
his No, that's the joke. So speaking of nuts, the
Cincinnati Bengals might even fall into that category, because the
Cincinnati Bengals are like, you know what, got a franchise quarterback,

(52:54):
We got all this talent on offense. We've shown that
we've got the ability to go throw for throw with
Patrick Mahomes and actually beat him in the postseason in
the playoffs. We nearly won the Super Bowl a couple
of years ago. Some would argue we probably should have
won the Super Bowl, but you know, we lost it
it so far to the Rams and Aaron Donald got
his ring and Cooper Cupp you know who apparently has

(53:17):
shaved his beard now. Cooper Cup is the MVP of
this like all those things that But if you're the Bengals,
you're like, man, listen, we're close.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
We got this.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
And then they're like, huh, how could we f this up?

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
I know, let's get into contract disputes with not only
one defensive player, but two, the latest being Shamar Stewart,
who decided, you know what, I'm out of here. I
don't like the fact that you guys are changing the
language on this deal when last year it wasn't the
same language. I'm not going to sign it. I'm not
signing anything. And so what makes us even more fun

(53:52):
is that on the Cincinnati Bengals, you have somebody who
knows a thing or two about the entire situation. And
that's somebody would be Bengals center and nfl PA vice
president Ted Karris, who defended both Shamar Stewart and his
other teammate Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 10 (54:09):
It's not the best case scenario of how the Spring
could have gone for our first round pick, but you know,
there is a pretty serious business aspect to our profession,
and you know he's taking counsel from from his you
know camp, and uh, you know, I don't. The main

(54:29):
thing I want to say is I don't think to
either of our defensive ends that there's not any harboring
resentment in this locker room. To them, I know, and
I really hope that both camps can figure this out.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Because we have a you know, we have a really
good team.

Speaker 10 (54:42):
We've had a super productive spring, and you know, you
just don't want this to carry over into into summer.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
I think from a.

Speaker 10 (54:49):
PA perspective, always, we don't want you know, language and
contracts that are going to be negative to players. As
far as guaranteed money, We're always trying to you know,
maxim of guarantees that guys get.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
So you know, it's a business negotiation, and you.

Speaker 10 (55:06):
Know, I just I'm uh, you know, I feel I
feel for Shamar that you know, he has to kind
of this is his first taste of the league with
you know, kind.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Of a lot of hate.

Speaker 10 (55:15):
Hate on the internet, not hate, but since he Twitter
is a mess around, so I, you know, I hope
that he can come and be super productive and fall
and kind of get everyone back on a side.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
So that was Ted Carris of the Cincinnati Bengals discussing
the uh, the contract issues there and the off season
the Bengals are currently going on. And also, you know,
Joe Burrows asked about it. Yeah, it's a distraction. Zach
Taylor's been asked about it.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
It's just there are and we were discussing this earlier.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
There are franchises around the NFL that would do anything
for the problems of the Cincinnati Bengals. Anything where if
you were to ask a friend, you pull them aside
and say, hey, so here is your problem, quote unquote.
You've got a franchise quarterback, a guy who's got the
chance to be a Hall of Famer, a guy who's

(56:08):
been talked about. Troy Aikman has called him maybe his
favorite quarterback of all time. Everybody agrees Joe Burrow's the guy.
You end up with him because you sucked so bad
the year prior. You've also been able to work out
a long term extension with him. You've got Jamar Chase,

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who's one of the best wide receivers in the air.
You've got all of this at your disposal. You've shown
the ability to beat the team that is the dynasty
of your era. You were the Boogeyman potentially going into
the playoffs last year. So all of that is yours,

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and you just get this feeling that somehow, someway, the
Bengals are going to screw this up. They've got all
of this potential, all of this opportunity, the window is open,
and they're going to put a board over it somehow, someway.
You just get that impression, You get that vibe. And

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if I'm Bengals ownership, if I like, dude, figure out
a way to get Trey Hendrickson in the door and signed,
figure out a way to get Shamar Stewart's contract work
out and go back to the deal that was signed
last year. From a pre it's like, why why get
in the way of all this? And we've talked about

(57:36):
it on the show before. Some organizations cannot help themselves.
Do you want an NBA comp for you? How about
the New York Knicks who put the nick in Nickel
and Dime with the way that they operate, And you
should have known that this is exactly how the Knicks

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are going to operate, based on the way that they
celebrate after getting past the second round. And I was
on record and Knicks fans got upset about it and
got pissy about it because I pointed out the fact
that you know, it is kind of pathetic. This is
supposed to be Madison Square Guard and this is supposed
to be the Knicks. This is supposed to be New York.
This is market number one. Blah, blah blah blah blah,

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and the Knicks operated like the Sacramento Kings did years
ago when they hung a Summer League title banner up
at the arena. You got past the second round and
people were climbing stuff in the streets, and then two
wins later, you fire your coach. But don't worry, they've

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got a plan. If you don't believe me, believe the
Hall of Famer Charles Barkley. He was on NBA TV
and Charles Barkley spoke about this quote unquote plan by
the New York Knicks.

Speaker 11 (58:58):
The Knicks gotta be the stupidest down people in the world. Like,
you don't find no good coach like that and don't
have a plan. I mean, a hell of a job
of sum's going on now, but you don't have a plan,
and now the three coaches turn you down.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
You gotta have a plan, man, And they don't have
a plan now. I mean, I don't know what the
hell they're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Nobody does.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Nobody does.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
But it's funny because all these Knicks fanboys who want
to defend the team are like, oh, listen, don't worry
about it. They got an idea. They know exactly what
they're doing. Oh yeah, what's that. Now they're gonna they're
gonna target this guy and that guy and with with,
with with. They have no idea what the hell they're doing.

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They accomplished something they hadn't done in a order century
and then decided, now we got to make changes. Okay,
how's that going? But doriy, you got your guy. They
got their guy. They they had an idea and they
got their guy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Nah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Not really, And it was supposed to be feel good
time for the Knicks. Remember like this was the brand
new Knicks. Remember James Dolan was nowhere to be found.
Like JD in the straight shot, I think we're doing
a cover sets at some local pub in in Manhattan somewhere,
you know, a couple of blocks like they were nowhere
to be found. I don't even know if he's at

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the games. Nobody talked about the Charles Oakley stuff. Nobody's
even bringing up the fact that, you know, Tracy Morgan,
who's basically nostradamus. Tracy Morgan blue chunks on the court
during a game, which might have been an indication that like, hey, guys,
I know this seems cool and all right now, But
it's gonna go poorly. Guy just lost his launch and

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it looked like he lost the previous three lunches as
well too. But don't worry. The Knicks are making a run.

Speaker 9 (01:01:03):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
You had Timothy Champagne or whatever his name is, show
up with one of the Kardashians. Everybody all got its God,
the Knicks are back. The Knicks are back, and then
they fire their head coach that got them to a
place they hadn't been in a quarter century. But but
they got a plan, they got everything's gonna be fine.

(01:01:26):
The Knicks got this, they got it figured out. And
it's almost as if James Dolan was like, you know what, man,
you guys are doing way too good and I'm nowhere
to be found. I want to put my my fingerprints
on this. I want to make my mark. Okay, how's
that going. It's like the Bengals have a window here,

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an opportunity, and somehow, someway you just get the field
and they're gonna screw it up. The Knicks do something
they hadn't done in twenty five years, and somehow, some
way they're going to screw it up. They can't help themselves.

(01:02:08):
This is the way they operate, and that's why when
organizations get labeled as dysfunctional or theirs skepticism about an
organization from the quote unquote national media, the people locally
get all upset and all hot and bothered about it.
It's like, dude, take a step back and look at
the big picture, and it's going to tell you everything

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you need to know.