July 26, 2025 • 55 mins
This week on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox & Brady Quinn discuss Scottie Scheffler's comments about how he views winning and satisfaction, the continuing fallout between the Bengals & Trey Hendrickson + the Old P, Petros Papadakis stops by!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar airings and rating win and Jonas Knox
on five four radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Listen if you are listening to the iHeartRadio app and
you are listening in Europe and all over the world,
congratulations because somebody from here went over and took from there.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Big win yesterday for Scotti Scheffler, raising the American flag
and represented the country proud and putting on a show
yet again. The greatest golfer on the planet performs yet again,
seventeen under guy finished seventeen under par So Scotti Scheffler
is your Can we call it the British Open? Just
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to be a pain in the ass of.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
All we call it the British Open? I think everyone
else is the one that calls it the Open. I
mean it is the oldest Major, so there is something
to that. But the run that he's been on the
past two years is incredible. I think he's been the
number one player now for one hundred and fourteen weeks.
Like we're watching a run similar to some of the
all time greats that I will caution this, people have been,
(01:11):
you know, putting out there all these stats comparing him
to Tiger. Okay, so twenty twenty two to twenty twenty five,
which is the run Scotty's been on. He plays, he's
played in eighty one events, He's one to twenty. He's
got four majors and two players championships. Okay, Tiger from
two thousand and two to two thousand and five, seventy
nine events, eighteen wins, four majors, zero players championships. So
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you're like, oh, okay, it's kind of similar to Tiger, right,
so maybe some of this is warranted. Then you go
back three years before that for Tiger from ninety nine
to two thousand and two, seventy eight events, twenty seven wins,
seven majors, one players.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So I will say what Scotty's doing is in sports
right now.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I would argue he's the most dominant player where he
feels like the sun coming up tomorrow, where if he's
in a lead going into the final round, it is inevitable.
And that's what you hear them talk about, that he's
going to win and he's not going to win. He
might beat the brakes off the rest of the field,
and that's how it kind of felt even though NBC
did their best to pump up ry McElroy all they could,
(02:19):
was I the only one who felt that way watching it?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh, it's I mean, we've got okay, did you hear
this was courtesy? Do we know the credit on this?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
On this all right?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
So this was we're going to try and get the credit.
So if you are listening overseas and you're a big
fan of this show, understand that we will get the
credit as soon as we have the proper credit to give.
But this was the British version of Rory McElroy over
the weekend, and you tell me if there was a
rooting interest here from that side of the world.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
This is for Eagle three. It's on its way. Come on, Rory, come.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
On, Rory, keep going, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Let's go, it's coming over the ridge, go.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
One on again, on again, Yes, bounds Rory McElroy, Eagle
on the twelfth.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's like like hearing me roote for my kid, like
at mini golf, Like, what are we doing here? Aren't
you supposed to be impartial? Aren't you supposed to just
call it as it is instead of openly rooting and
pulling for somebody to win. In these events. I mean,
I don't know golf etiquette as well as you do,
but I would assume as a broadcaster, that's the etiquette
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you should have. So there's a couple of thoughts. The
first is, yes, you're supposed to be unbiased. You're supposed
to kind of follow the way the tournament or the
game is going, and that's what you're supposed to highlight
and talk about. However, this was somewhat unique.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
There's not many tournaments that are played in Northern Ireland. Uh,
Royal Port Rush is not the home course for Roy
mcroy's home course I think was like Hollywood Golf Club,
but it was one where you know, he's they're trying
to type him up. The crowd was there for him, rooting,
had a strong rooting interest. And I'm sure if you're
there and you feel the crowd is constantly pulling for Rory,
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is following Rory, and he's got the you know, the
bulk of the crowd, there's gonna be elements that you
need to play into on TV. But I think this
was more of a what other storyline do we have?
Like we've got Scotti Scheffler who's dominating the sport. Everyone's
heard about it, talked about it, you know, after his
press earlier in the week where he kind of downplayed
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the success, downplayed the Pinnacle moments, and he talked a
little bit about that after he won.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
But when you have a player like that who.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Doesn't want to lean into it, and Jordan Smith even
talked about this a little bit, that he's not trying to,
you know, change the game like Tiger did. Like he's
just coming there to win and he's going home with
his family, like that's that's all he cares about. I
think from that perspective, it makes it tough for TV
to really, you know, ravitate towards a guy who's not
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trying to lean into everything they're trying to do to
continue to build the game. And I'm not saying that
Scotty Scheffer's not building the game. I think he's doing
it in his own way. But I guess is contemporaries
like those guys don't feel like he is.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I mean, look, he's not. Tiger Woods was his own world,
like his own universe, and that's why you could argue
who's the greatest golfer of all time? If you were
around watching golfer watching sports when Tiger was in his prime.
That's Jordan, Like we're talking, that's rarefied air that we
(05:38):
will not see. And yes, Scotti Scheffler's you know, doesn't
have all that and probably doesn't even want that. But
what's wrong with that? Like, I don't think I don't
think it diminishes what he's done for the sport. He
just doesn't have the interest or maybe the thought that, yeah,
I want to go out and I want to build
and promote and be this revolutionary being at this at
(06:02):
this level, representing the sport on a global grand scale.
And Scotti Scheffler even talked because people took that quote
that you mentioned where he just kind of said, hey, listen,
it's cool, but these moments are fleeting and he just
it wasn't as overwhelmed by everything, and it didn't it
didn't run his world and run his life the way
that the way that he a lot of athletes maybe
(06:23):
let them get to at that point. And we talked
about this where Kevin Durant Aaron Rodgers said the same thing.
They finally won a championship and they were like, is
that it?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Like? Is that is that it?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And so Scheffler. Afterwards yesterday was again asked about those comments,
and of course had to clarify his statements.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
I think we live now in a day and age
of where, you know, clickbait is kind of what people
look for and you can shorten a five minute clip
into you know, three words. I think really underestimates what
I was trying to communicate. You know, maybe I didn't
do as effective a job of what I would have
hoped to in communicating that, but you know, at the
end of the day, I have a tremendous amount of
gratitude towards moments like these. I've literally worked my entire
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life to become somewhat good at this game, to be
able to play this game for a living, and it's
one of the great joys of my life.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Being able to compete out here and.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
To be able to win the Open Championship here at
Port Rush is a feeling that's really hard to describe.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You know, if.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Somebody's going to listen to the comments I had this week,
I would encourage them to listen to all of it,
and hopefully I did a good job of communicating.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
That, Yeah, this is amazing.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
To win the Open Championship but at the end of
the day, having success in life, whether it be in golf,
for work, or whatever it is, that's not what fulfills
the deepest desires of your heart. Am I grateful for it?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Do I enjoy it? Oh?
Speaker 6 (07:33):
My gosh, Yeah, this is a cool feeling. I can't
wait to get home and celebrate this, this championship, you know,
with the people that have kind of helped me along
the way. But at the end of the day, it
doesn't fulfill the deepest desires in my heart. And uh,
but it's just it's just tough to describe when you
when you when you haven't lived it. You know, something
I actually talked to Shane about this week was, you know,
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just because you win a golf tournament accomplished them, that
doesn't make you happy.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
It doesn't.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Maybe for a few moments, maybe for a few days,
but at the end of the day then you know
there's more life than playing golf. But you know, I'm
I'm pretty excited to go home and celebrate this one
works for me.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's just he's not wrapped up in it. He's got
a life. Sorry.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Can I make it a comparison of Scotty Scheffler to
someone else in the radio worlds that I would say
Scottie Scheffler's perspective most closely aligns with you if you
actually look at if you look at just how you
go about and associate yourself with radio and kind of
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that disconnect where you know, you've got a family, you
also have a son, one in which that you know,
from time to time in the big moments, we get
to see you and your son, but that's really it.
And then you guys go off and you go home,
or you go off and you do your own thing,
very similar to Scotty Scheffler. You know, you guys like
to keep the radio world in which you dominate in
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its own space, while the whole family life and everything
else is a completely different, compartmentalized part of your life.
So I would say the closest thing in the radio
world to Scotty Scheffler is one Jonas Knox.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Hey, I'll take it, and that is one hundred percent
spot on and correct. Maybe that's why I can what
he says resonates with me, because I don't there are
two different things the second you get home, and I've
heard athletes talk about this to where if you win
a game, or you lose a game, or you win
a fight or lose a fighter, whatever it is that
you do in competition. When you get home to your family,
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they don't care about any of that. None of that matters.
When I get home to my son, he doesn't care
what my best take the day was. What he wants
to know is, Hey, when are we going to play baseball?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Can I get this monster truck? Like he doesn't care
about any of that stuff, So I yeah, maybe there
is a little something to that. Although what Scotty Scheffler
is doing at his level from a radio standpoint, I'm
nowhere close. And I do wonder what is the game
app between him and the next best player, because we've
talked about that in the NFL, where Hey, if Aaron
Donald is the best interior defensive lineman, what's the gap
(10:09):
between him and the next best? And as of right now,
who's even close to Scotti Scheffler.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
It's it's tough to figure out who exactly that person
would be because you think it back to Tiger and
I always wonder, hey, what would Phil Mickelson's career had
been like had Tiger not been around? You know, we're
probably talking about it a little bit different. You know,
maybe he still lives for the live tour, but it
leaves for the live tour. Maybe he doesn't. But there's
there's a lot of those guys that you say, man,
I wonder what their career would have been had they not,
(10:39):
you know, had that Tiger Woods.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
That was in the way.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
A guy who is an anomaly and just that much
better than everyone else. I'm not sure if you throw
in like Xander Shoftle, I'm not sure who you would
you throw in there, because he's just he's been so dominant.
Now I do want to go back to Rory, and
I've got a conspiracy theory on this. Oh right, So
I don't know if we've got any music or if
(11:04):
it's possible to maybe bring back some Robert Stack.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
He's here straight off the course of Royal Troon.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I mean, we heard the clip from a few moments
ago where it felt over the top from NBC and
for anyone who watched in particular on Saturday, because Rory
shot one of his better rounds. I believe it was
Saturday at least, and it wasn't even the best round
of the day, but everyone was acting like it was
I think Russell Henley actually shot the lowest round, but
they're hyping him up. He's gonna make it roll. Oh
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my god, I mean this whole thing. It was just
so over the top and I was thinking of myself.
Wasn't it earlier in the week we saw another note
about Rory McRoy turning down eight hundred and fifty million
to go to live to her?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Was it earlier this past week or maybe two weeks ago?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Uh? I think so, And it was. It was eight
hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Eight hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Jesus.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
And it feels like every single time that there's an
issue for Rory, right, we had that, we had the
whole debacle of the non conforming driver, which came out
Scotti Scheffler acknowledged it and said, hey, they took my
driver too. In fact, if we're going to do this,
why don't we do it to everyone?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
You know?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Why are we only doing this for a third of
the players that are in the tournament. Why doesn't everyone
have their clubs? You know, looked at our drivers, looked
at and where was upset because it happened to get
out and it made him look look kind of bad.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Right, because he had won it.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
He finally got the last major he was looking for,
and now people are saying, all right, well, because he
was using a non performing driver, Well, then we didn't
see him for a couple of weeks, so you had
that whole issue. Then we stopped seeing him more and
more talking to the media and saying, hey, we're not
obligated too.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I was doing this on my own account.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
But he didn't like how that got out about the
non conforming driver. He didn't feel like people had his
back after years of defending the PGA Tour, after years
of not going to the live tour, and this was,
in my opinion, really the next big tournament moment they've
kind of had since all of that, all that fallout,
and it's just it's not surprising to me that you
(13:16):
hear about him going, oh, he turned it down. He's
been turning down live tour offers forever, so either he's
putting it out there because he wants to keep reminding people, Hey,
I've been one of the guys who stayed loyal. I've
been one of the guys who's been upholding the PGA
Tour while the live tours try to come in and
pillage us, and I think a lot of the broadcast
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and media partners have been asked to talk as favorably
as possible about him. It was a natural storyline for
the British Open, given that was in Northern Ireland at
Royal Point Rush. But I do think that there is
a concentrated effort by all parties involved me in the
PGA Tour of trying to make Rory happen because of
(14:01):
how everything has gone over the past couple of years,
and even though he's had his moments, he hasn't been
quite as successful as I think he probably would like
to be, his team would like him to be, and
maybe a lot of people out there thought he would be.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I buy it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
By the way, apologies I called it Royal Troon on accident.
My apologies didn't mean to confuse that with Port Rush,
but yeah, it makes sense because he has really been
the most vocal about supporting the PGA Tour as opposed
to live golf, like if you think about it, more
so than Tiger, more so than anybody, and so there
may be U there MAKEE good to him. In response
(14:37):
to this, with with these reports continuing to come out
of at the live tour could be that. I buy it,
that makes sense. He did disappear for a little bit,
and he didn't seem all that pleased about you know,
the testing of the clubs and and all that that
went on, and and Scottie Scheffler was just like, hey,
I mean, is what it is, but that that was
(14:57):
a fantastic performance for Scotty Schefer. And do you think
he's like Joker where he lets his horses play with
his trophies when they get home and just kind of
says that I under need this, this is just a
toy at this point.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I don't know. I hope he's really boring.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Like I actually love the fact that he just seems
like a really good normal guy. You know, he wins it.
He looks immediately for his wife and son. You know,
he's standing with them, hugging with them. You know, his
dad comes up and he's like, I have no words.
I mean, he's he's on such a run right now
the past couple of years that I imagine now as
a father watching a child do something like this, the
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pinnacle of that sport. And he's talked about how hard
he's worked to get here and at being here especially
with the early struggles and some of the changes that
he made. But you look at it and you just go, yeah,
I'm speechless too. I mean even after he won, the
broadcasts were speechless.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
He said it. They're like, what do you say? I mean,
what do you say at this point when it feels like.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
It's an inevitable every single time he steps up on
a big stage, if he's not winning it, he's right
there in the mix, and you better hope he doesn't
have that lead going into Sunday?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Was Bryson de Shambo? Did I see this correctly? He
was tied for one hundred and forty fourth at one
point and finished tenth. I think he was like tied
for tenth.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
At one point, came all the way back.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's like under the radar, like really impressive was What
was impressive was and this is one of the things
that I've appreciated about his like transition from being one
of more hated players in golf to one of.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
The most likable.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Now the putt he hit, I think he ended up
finishing out like ten under or something. The putt he
hit though on eighteen on the final day, he gave
like the biggest fist pump and like brohok to a
Scatty and he just he embraces it like he's one
of those guys who like fully embraces where it's at.
I think that's the only knock that you're gonna hear
on Scotti Scheffler in the runnings on right now is
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he's not playing Bryson d. Chambeau every week. You know,
he's not playing you know, Tyrrell Hadden or whoever else
do you want to say that's on the live tour
that you could say it would be a you know,
a quality golf because we only see him the majors.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
And even though.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Scotty's dominating when he plays in the Majors, he's not
playing those guys on a weekly basis. So that is
the other caveat to like looking at Scotty Scheffer's run
and comparing it to Tiger. It's a little bit too
like the Lebron Jordan debate, where people kind of forget
just how dominant good Jordan was in an era where
different brand of basketball, so many stars that he went
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through in the East too, just to be able to
get to a championship, as compared to how bad the
East was during Lebron's career, and even though he made
it to all these NBA finals, you're like, okay, that's
that was a much easier path than what Jordan had
to deal with. Kind of similar to with Scheffler, it
hasn't been the most difficult path path. And maybe why
Jack Nicholas sel he said after the Memorial Tournament this year,
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you know, just kind of talking about some of the
guys who are in competition that he had a feeling
they were going to fold in the end when they
were going up against Scotty Scheffler.
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Speaker 2 (19:15):
We do have some hopes that maybe things will turn
around for somebody in the NFL, and that's somebody is
none other than Trey Hendrickson, the star pass rusher for
the Cincinnati Bengals. This from Diana Rassini, who wrote this
on social media yesterday on x Quote, just spoke to
Bengals pass rusher Trey Hendrickson, who is currently in Jacksonville.
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For the last thirty days. He'd been at his home
in Cincinnati and training, but his training camp approached, he
and his wife decided to leave. They received two offers
and a twenty four hour span, none containing the guarantees
past the first year he was looking for. Hendrickson didn't
want to hear the practice whistles while being a distraction
to his teammates, so he and his wife if Alyssa,
(20:00):
decided to pack up and head to Florida. Down in Jacksonville,
Hendrickson continues to train, hoping that a deal could be
worked out.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I was more than willing to take less in some
ways in order to make this work. So that from
Diana Rossini on the subject of Trey Hendrickson and why
he has not agreed to a deal with the Cincinnati Bengals.
I mean, it just it just continues on, and I
get this funny feeling this thing's going to end poorly.
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Either he's going to get traded or he's just not
going to get a deal with.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
The Bengals based on that report, Does it feel like
the Bengals are almost betting against him being able to
keep this sort of productivity? And that's what it feels like.
If you're only able to give him one year of
guaranteesing the deal, you're looking at his age and you're
saying he's either going to be subject to injury or
he's going to have a dramatic decline in his level
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of play. Now, I also say this too about Al Golden,
and we you and I have talked about this before
in regards to scheme and sometimes the coordinators and how
that can play a factor into how they value players,
and some organizations and how those coaches play a.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Factor in how much they value, you know, a.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Big contract extension like this, because if you've got a
more elaborate scheme where we're gonna be pressuring like Al
Golden does, and I assume what he did a Notre
Dame wi Vise very similar to what he's going to
do in Cincinnati. I'm not saying that you don't need
talented players. You always need talented players, But when you
talk about a guy who's got what seventeen sacks the
past two years. You know, you are at times trying
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to isolate him and you can get away with a
four man rush because he's so productive, and I'm sure
every defense coordinator would love that luxury. But if you're
a guy who likes to bring pressure and likes to,
you know, do a variety of things, maybe that is necessary,
right because you're going to find a way of getting
free runners based on the protection, and you're going to
scheme up some things to get pressure. You don't need
(21:57):
to necessarily pay, you know, a ton of money out
for it.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
That's the case. So I do wonder how you know
that new.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Defensive scheme without golden calling the defense is factors in
to some degree to to any of this. But when
I hear only one year of guarantees, what it's saying
to me is like they don't believe that he's going
to be able to maintain his production. They don't believe
he's going to be able to maintain his level of health,
which is unfortunate. So hopefully they can get to a
point where they at least give him two years of guarantees.
(22:26):
You know, it used to be quarterbacks were the only
ones who got into the third year. We're seeing some
of the top players now other positions get that, and
we've obviously seen players like Deshaun Watson get a fully
guaranteed deal, but those are few and far between. As
we know, the owners have colluded to make sure that
doesn't happen again.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
This is what doesn't make any sense about what the
Bengals are doing. If this is the approach, and the
report is true, he's only getting one year of guarantees.
I could understand if there was a history of injuries,
especially over the past couple of years, as he's gotten older.
There hasn't every game the past two years. He's gotten
(23:03):
better as the contract has gone on, like from twenty
twenty one to now, he's gotten better, and he's been
healthy the previous two years. So if anybody's got a gripe,
or if anybody's got a hey, you know, look at
what I've done. There's no evidence to support the fact
that maybe I'm slipping as I'm getting a little bit older.
(23:25):
In fact, I've gotten better the previous two seasons. It's
Trey Hendrickson. And yet, for some reason, if that's the
case and the Bengals are like, yeah, we're just not
sure if you can keep this up. What has given
you any indication of that. He hasn't missed games like
he's produced, He's been one of your only producers on
the defensive side of the ball. Without him, what is
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this defense? And then it goes to the Shamar Stewart
stuff where it's like, Okay, well, at least we've got
a backup plan. You don't even have that like that.
That's the part of this I don't understand. And I
know that you're paying somebody not for what they did,
but for what they can do. But at a certain
point you do have to look at this and go,
what evidence do we have to support us thinking that
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he can't last, or that he can't hold up physically
or whatever it is at this at this stage of
his career, when all the evidence would point to no,
he actually has and in fact, he's gotten better the
previous two years. That's the part of this. It doesn't
make any sense to me.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
It's also odd too, because we've seen like older pass
rushers still be able to play extremely well late into
their career, and if you look at how the leagues
continue to evolve, it's not as if we're talking about,
you know, a guy who is going to be going
up against a lot of you know I formations, base
personnel sets where you're going to be playing against the
run more often than not. I mean, these guys are
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are there, everyone's throwing more, everyone's playing more spread formations.
So he's going to have the opportunity to be in
there on passing downs or even passing situations to impact
the game. So you know, not only do you do
you like to have Shamar Stewart in there as a
young player, but you'd like to have a veteran that
at least if it's you know, for a year, you
know they can you know, they can model this after it.
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And to be quite honest, that's the other part of
the equation is they're only probably willing to do one
year of guarantees because they don't want to have to
thrust Shamar Steward, as we talked to Pete Prisco about yesterday,
into starting and playing right away. He hasn't been there
all off season. They can't seem to figure out that
contractual situation. So even if they do get him in
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at some point, you'd like him to be able to
sit and watch and then slowly work him in until
he's playing a more pivotal role. And then two years
from now, you know, let that be his opportunity to
be the guy. And at that point in time, you're
going to look at Trey Hendrickson say, hey, there's no
guarantees left on this deal. That makes it much easier
to trade. That makes us much much easier to move
on from you if we need to, if there's an issue.
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You know, creates more flexibility for the ownership. So you
can understand too why they only have one year of
guarantees in it, and and because of you know who's
waiting in the wings. And you can understand why Trey
Hendrickson would be frustrated by that because to a certain
degree he is that's the running on the wall, like
he knows exactly the move that they made. Even though
you know Sam Hubber retired, you know, they still are
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looking at it saying like this is eventually going to end,
and we've got your replacement waiting to you know, sitting
right behind you, waiting to come in for that moment.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
We just haven't Pharaoh's contract yet.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
How could Joe Burrow factor into this? Could he put
pressure on the organization publicly. I know it's not you know,
maybe his job to do that, But if he's the guy,
if he's the face of the franchise, and you know
he has spoken about yeah, listen, it's not ideal. You know,
we've got you know, he's made mention of it before
in the off season. But if they start asking him questions,
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how could he put pressure on them to try and
get this deal done? Because he wanted to get the
t Higgins deal done, they got it done. He wanted
to get Jamar Chase done. They got it done. They
obviously got his deal done. Why not step on the
gas and put heat on the organization to get this done?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Well, that'd be a better question for him.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
But of course he could, you know, put pressure on
them by publicly stating we need to get this done
or publicly advocate for Trey and not that I mean
that would be a comment that if he said it
out loud or to the media, I would assume Mike
Brown would be walking down to his locker soon after that.
I mean, that's that's where this thing goes. So he's
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aware of that he's been compensated handsomely, and you know,
as much as you want to help out your teammates,
there's also elements of like, well how much are you.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Willing to help out?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
And maybe that would be a conversation Mike Brown would
would have with them, you know, But again that hasn't
happened yet, not saying it won't if we don't get
to that point, but because I'm sure they're going to
continue to keep asking Joe Burrow about this, and again
I keep going back.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
To the track record.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
I know Bengals fans probably hate hearing this, and I
sound like it's a broken record, but Carson Palmer got
frustrated with this and it eventually drove him away from
the franchise. And you have to beg It begs to
ask the question, will Joe Burrow get frustrated with this
if every single time you know, we look at this
Bengals organization is are they willing to step up? You know,
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we never got our clip yesterday together Of all the
many things that I told you, Pete Prisco would saying defense.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Of the Bengals, By the way, your best performance in
the history of this show is I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
About that, but the prediction, I mean, it's again It's
very easy to tell with Pete because he's got his
buddies and he defends his buddies and like anyone would,
but he's also blinded to the fact that they are cheap.
I mean, I know guys who played for that organization.
Trust me, they are cheap, all right. They will any.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Play Let's play with them, and they play anywhere else.
They'll tell you that.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
So that being said, I do think Burrow could help,
but it might come at the expense of maybe his
relationship with Mike Brown or the organization and how that
would feel.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Like I do wonder about that when you mentioned people
who have been there, because I TJ. Hush Manzada has
talked about just how cheap they were when he was
a part of it, and then you hear the Carson
Palmer stuff. He basically just decided to retire, like really
good quarterback just decided I got to get the hell
out of here. I can't be a part of this anymore.
And I do wonder all this offseason is done, even
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though they paid T Higgins and even though they paid
Jamar Chase, Like if you're a defensive player, like are
you even considering the Bengals in free agency, Like, based
on all of this, if you're a guy in the draft,
are you looking at the Bengals when their pick comes
up and you're playing on that side of the ball, thinking, oh, please,
please not this? Like all they've done is prove people
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right about how frugal and cheap the organization is. And
Bengal fans can get pissy about it all they want.
Andy Furman just text me, by the way, all of
a sudden, he's a Bengals ball washer, a guy's been
ripping the organization for thirty five years, going all the
way back to Sam Weish, and now he's texting me
going but Trey's under contract. Apparently that doesn't mean anything, dude,
He's outperformed his deal. Max Crosby went down with an
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injury last year and got paid this offseason. Miles Garrett
got paid, TJ Watt got paid. He's made Trey Hendrickson
and is making half of what those guys have made,
and he had a better year than all of them
last year. Like I don't there's no argument for the
Bengals at this point. And for some reason, you got
people like fanboys like Andy Furman, who's gonna sit there
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and cap up for him. It's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
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Speaker 2 (30:26):
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Speaker 3 (30:45):
Good morning.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
How you feeling Will I'm all right, I'm here, Yeah
you are. What's going on? Is everybody at the Big
ten media Day?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Everyone?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
No?
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Not everyone? Brady, I'm here, Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
What was before we get to that? How was Mountain
West Media Days? Petros?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
The Death of the Mountain West.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
I saw the Mountain West commissioner at like a cocktail
party and she was like.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
We're just going to concentrate on this year, you know.
I was like, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Did you have any fun interactions with Timmy Chang again
or no?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, I love Timmy Chang.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
Actually It was great to talk about Hawaii football with him,
and they had a much better year than anybody thought.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
And his old defensive or his defensive.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
Coordinator is the guy that recruited me at USC, Dennis Thurman,
an old All.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
American from there.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
Yeah, DT no way, all right, Cowboys USC All American,
Santa Monica High school legend. So I go way back
with old DT uh from my brother's days and being recruited.
So that was cool to catch up with Timmy Chang.
There are some actually really interesting coaches in that league
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and to sit, you know, for fifteen minutes alone with
each of them is always rewarding. Troy Calhoun is great
from Air Force and has been there forever. Last place
he coached was the Houston Texans, and he was telling
me about how they didn't pick Vince Young or Reggie
Bush and why and all that when they had the
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first pick in the draft so many years ago. And
Ken mia Motalolo, who was at Navy for like twenty
eight years and now at San Jose State, is interesting
to talk to. Bronco Mendenhall, very professorial now at Utah State.
And then Dan Mullen who's now at UNLV, who's really
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I mean, it's crazy what's happened to UNLV. And yes,
they've always had not always, but in the last you know,
ten to fifteen years, they've had this big donor for Tita,
one of the guys that owns the when they own
the Houston Rockets and they own a whole bunch of
stuff in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
He's still own the UFC, right, yeah, yeah, and they
they had a huge donor there.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
But now that Vegas is like a town, as you know,
with the A's coming and you got the hockey team
and you have maybe Hoops come in and all of
these the Raiders and the fact that they play an
allegiance now UNLV other than the fact that I think
there's some contract stipulation that means wherever they go they
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have to bring Nevada with them, which is kind of
like having to bring cousin Eddie with you, you know,
to a bougie party. But I mean, Reno is a trip,
right And I like that coach too, Chote, who was
with SARK at Texas.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
But UNLV is really on the come up. And it
was interesting talking.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
To Dan Mullen, who's made a lot of money coaching
in the SEC and saying, you know, I gonna have
a drink here in Vegas and as a coaching you
and help me with my wife, and nobody cares and
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
They don't say you got to be at the office.
You know. It was interesting talking all these different guys.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
So it was actually, even though the Mountain West is dying,
it seems or will look a lot different next year.
People do want nighttime time slots, so we'll see how
it shakes out.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
But I had a picture how different does it sound
with Dan Mullen talking from his perspective at UNLV versus
like if he was like Starkville, you know, does he
think will you be able to go out in Starkville?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
That was his point, you know.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
I mean he was saying that the SEC, the amount
of pressure that they put on you is almost not
worth it, which is very interesting because you know who
else I talked to was the new Fresno coach Matt Entz,
who is a great coach. He was at USC last
year coaching linebackers, but he was the head coach championship
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head coach coach at North Dakota State, so he was
one of those guys like Chris Cleman who's at Kansas State,
or I don't know if Leipold was there, but he
has a background in small universities. But Dickert was at
North Dakota State. I don't think he was the head coach.
Craig Bowl from Wyoming was at North Dakota State. And
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these guys all say the same thing. They were miserable
and fargo and not because of the weather and all
that and what you're used to. But if you win
thirteen games and lose one, they tell you for three
months that you're a failure and it's sixty below.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
You know.
Speaker 8 (35:35):
The second you know, you lose it in December or whatever,
and it's sixty below and they tell you you're a failure
for the rest of the year. These guys can't wait
to get out of there. But that guy, Matt Enttz
was at USC last year and now he's the head
coach at Fresno and he was interesting to talk to too.
They talked about that fish bowl of North Dakota State,
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and I think it's very similar to an SECC where,
I mean, look, you want to have alignment, the best
thing you can have to have success as a college
football coach is the ad the president of the university,
and the head coach and the whole staff all on
the same page, right like Oklahoma used to have when
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Bob Stoops was there. Everybody holds you up, everybody holds
the program up. I'd imagine it's not very different at
Penn State or places like that, but you have to
have that. But if you do have that, like every
SEC school, where everybody's aligned to have a great football program,
you would do end up in a more money, more
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problem situation where the amount of pressure to win on
these coaches is huge and they're scared to have a
drink with their wife in front of everybody.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Petros, I want to ask you because when you brought
up LV, and with the recent news of Memphis trying
to jump into is a big twelve, and the Big
twelve armed them. UNLV is like that team that I
feel like if they try to join another conference and
try to leap up, it would maybe make some sense,
even the progress they've made and the money they've got and.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Just the venue in general.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
But I'm just curious to get your thoughts on just
that whole situation, which I don't know if Memphis wanted
to become public, but it became public and it's probably
not good for Memphis, And I don't know if it's
good for college football.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
Are they They're in the AAC now, yeah, and they're
trying to get out, and you know everybody's trying to
step up, and these teams that have money can do
it fast.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Out here on the West coast.
Speaker 8 (37:38):
You know who was doing that, who has a lot
of money and you wouldn't even know it. Sacramento State,
like they've been making a push. Remember they interviewed Michael Vick.
They ended up hiring the guy that was coaching at
UNLV last year, a very innovative offensive coordinator, Brennan Marion
of the go go offense.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
That he named when he was the coordinator at A
Howard Not a dance style.
Speaker 8 (38:00):
It is actually a musical genre from Washington, DC, the
go go offense. And he's taken it to Sacramento State
and they have a lot of money and they're trying
to buy their way in and they got stiff armed
a couple times, but they're on the come up. One
that really can move is Texas State, right the Bobcats.
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We saw them buy their way into the new PAC
twelve and step up in life. So a lot of
these people are trying it because if they have the
money and the backing behind them, and it's such a
crazy time and the getting is good, you can make
a run. Now when you try to buy your way in,
everybody else has to share revenue with you at some point,
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right So that's probably a stumbling block. But I see
the same thing happening at a lot of places. The
UNLV situation, Brady is really interesting because, like I said,
everybody wants you at LV, but I think they have
to get out of this weird contractual thing where if
UNLV comes, they bring Reno and a lot of people
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don't know, Like Reno's like a nine hour drive from
Las Vegas, and it's like the most desolate drive in
the history of mankind, and it's it's a little place that, Yeah,
they can have success and Colin Kaepernick and Chris Alt
and a lot of different good things have happened in Nevada,
but right now they're more of a basketball school and
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they are a big hindrance to UNLV climbing up.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
In the world of college football.
Speaker 8 (39:32):
But hopefully we just have the games coming up soon,
which is happening, and we don't have to talk as
much about our very unsavory offseason.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
So same state, completely different worlds between Reno and Vegas, basically.
Speaker 8 (39:47):
I mean it's still I mean, I still find both
places to be starkly depressing, regardless of.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, by the way, how was your drive out there?
Because you didn't want to take the flight so you drove.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
Yeah, I don't if I do that again, Like I
hate flying, but the drive made me nervous too. I
was fine until I ran into a haboob or whatever
a monsoon on the way home. Oh did you really
around State line?
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah? And it was.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
It was frightening. A big somebody's trailer hitch flipped in
front of me. There was a big rig accident in
front of me, huge like crazy dust storms that look
like wow, that's like targeting my car as it crosses
the freeway.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
And it was a lot.
Speaker 8 (40:33):
Yeah, heavy rain and one hundred and twenty degrees pretty gnarly.
So yeah, I might fly next time, considering that, I
think I'm going to travel a little bit more this
year for some of the games I do, so I'm
gonna have to buck up, maybe get some some xanax
er see the psychiatrist.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Hell yeah, the old p on the road. Do you
know any of your schedule? Do you know?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
We tentatively.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
Tentatively they said I open at Washington with Colorado State,
which would be a great game. I love that Colorado
State quarterback Nicolosi. The guy that got into it was
should do he? And uh, Washington's got a new quarterback,
runs around a whole bunch, so we'll see it maybe.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
But you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (41:15):
I was told one year that I was going to
be Tim Branda's sideline analyst, and then it changed. So
whenever they tell you what you're doing a lot of
the time, unless you're Brady, you know on Big News.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Okay, easy, real quick, before we move on with whatever
you're gonna say next, I mean, is that a good thing?
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Then? What? Well? I mean, you're not doing the sidelines
with Brando? No, that was like years ago. Oh okay,
I thought, you know.
Speaker 8 (41:40):
I mean what I'm saying is things change. Sometimes they
tell you what you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Do and then it changes.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Yes, but I'm just saying I already know what you're
gonna do, but well, sometimes sometimes they don't tell you
at all. Then things just kind of happen. You're like, right, yeah,
this is happening. Now you react to that.
Speaker 8 (41:54):
Yeah, great deal of confusion as the dominoes fall on
the college football season.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
But yeah, that that's what it looks like. Now.
Speaker 8 (42:01):
It looks like maybe opening up in Seattle, which would
be great. I've been in Seattle since like last year
or two.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Years ago something.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Where are you with the whole college football expansion for
the playoff? Do you care at this point how many
teams do we have? Now we're twelve?
Speaker 3 (42:18):
All right? How many do they want? Sixteen? At them all?
Make it seventy?
Speaker 8 (42:25):
Like?
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Who cares?
Speaker 8 (42:25):
Right, They're just gonna I mean at this point we
have done such rapid change in the last seven eight
years that I mean they're just hitting the gas and
completely and totally retransforming the sport. And part of it
is because of what's happened the TV. The TV companies
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have taken over, and that's where the money is, and
that's what's driving the revenue, and that's what's driving basically
the decision making. I think the biggest problem is the
TV network can't get along the way we thought they
might be able to.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Maybe maybe five years.
Speaker 8 (43:05):
Ago when a lot of this started, we thought the
TV networks would be able to kind of make decisions
together or help create a new super league or something
to kind of get away from the confusion of the NCAA.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
And I don't know if you.
Speaker 8 (43:22):
Thought that, Brady, but I certainly thought that we would
have a little bit more uniformity. But I think Fox
and ESPN and the SEC and Big ten as their proxies,
see it so differently from each other and how they
want to go about this that we're kind of in
the same holding pattern as ever, at least we have
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games to concentrate on and have fun with it in the.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Next few weeks.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
That's what we've been kind of saying, right like, it's
kind of nice just to be able to have football
coming back soon as we have to.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Talk about all this stuff. Yeah, everything else, sude. I mean,
here's the biggest difference. The NFL.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
It obviously dictates, you know, who's a part of it.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
And obviously you know, you've had streaming services who.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Want to get in on this, and you know, Fox
and CBS and ABC, ESPN, NBC, they're all kind of
boxing them out for now. That's obviously could could very
well change in college football. There's not one kind of
unifying approach, you know, whereas the NFL can kind of
dictate almost to a lot of those who are you know,
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showing them. And the problem is, I think that at
times we try to make the model of what college
football is after what the NFL is, and that's where
just it can't work that way, right.
Speaker 8 (44:38):
Well, I mean, yeah, that's kind of a college football is.
I remember ty Wellingham saying this to me in the
midst of a winless season. College football is great because
of the chaos. College football is great because we embrace
the chaos of young people with a tremendous amount of
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responsible ability on and off the field. The hash marks
being where they are. It creates big plays, mistakes, fun, excitement, improbability.
That's the greatness of college football. When we're playing games
the off season, we have a lot of that chaos.
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There's no game to celebrate all we have. Look, Brady,
you've done business at universities for years. You happen to
really love your alma mater, but you also know what
it's like to do business with colleges or universities.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Not easy.
Speaker 8 (45:37):
It seems like they're very big on the outside, but
when you're on the inside, it feels like a very
small world of a bunch of very petty people trying
to pull rank or tenure on each other.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
It's not a fun place to work.
Speaker 8 (45:51):
You feel trapped when you work at one college or
one university, and it's kind of it just feels like
nobody can get out of their way in the chaos
of the off season. We just you know, the NFL
is a great example, but it's not fair to compare
college to it, because it is one entity with one
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person in charge and a group of owners that create
what you know, other than Al Davis and the Raiders,
they create uniformity, and it makes it easy, and it
makes they know how to handle their off season and
so on and so forth. And you can say the
same even about leagues that aren't as celebrated. The NBA
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does a better job with their off season. The MLB.
My god, here in town in LA. They throw off
season parties. They sign some Japanese guy who's a superstar.
The whole collective media comes out to meet a guy
named Roki Sasaki or Yoshi Yamamoto.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
They do a better job. In the off season in.
Speaker 8 (46:55):
College we don't have any agreement or uniformity, So our
off season is basically just a bunch of people suing
each other and politicians grandstanding, and teams trying to go
back on their word.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
And that's the other thing.
Speaker 8 (47:09):
Like somebody pointed this out to me in football a
long time ago. It's like all anybody ever does in
college football is use this lip service about you know,
we're together, we're a team, we're all for one and
one for all, and we don't bend for anybody.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
We keep our values and this and that, and we
keep our word.
Speaker 8 (47:29):
And then most of college football is just trying to
get out of like a contract that you signed and
not keep your word. You get a kid who's verbally
committed to somebody, and you sit there and use all
these platitudes about being an honorable person, and then your
whole life is to try to get a seventeen year
old to go back on his word and commit to you.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
You know. So there's a great deal of hypocrisy.
Speaker 8 (47:54):
The biggest one, probably, Brady, is the fact that we
have this major, multi billion dollar sport somehow wrapped up
with it, I mean completely within the roots and totally
wrapped up as it's like unable to separate like a
tumor within our institutions of higher education and research.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
And how did that happen.
Speaker 8 (48:17):
It happened naturally, and it happened over you know, the
span of hundreds of years. But right now we're in
this hyper speed money grab and yeah, it's it's it's
harder and harder.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
To enjoy the season when the offseason sucks so much.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Speaking of the NFL petros I saw on your social media,
you claim that your friend built the Packers new locker room.
Speaker 8 (48:41):
Yeah, that's my friend, my friend Darren Vieira, who was
the captain of a US baseball team. It's an amazing
story because this guy wanted to be an architect, but
he was a really good baseball player and his older brother,
who I knew really well, was a pitch at USC.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
He was more of a position player. Ended up being
the captain.
Speaker 8 (49:05):
But you can't be an architect and play baseball at
USC or any sport because of when the classes are,
you know, how some of that stuff goes. So he
went he became like an English major, went through college.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
And then went to architecture school.
Speaker 8 (49:21):
When he was done at USC and he's built all
k He built an amphitheater in Nashville. He built I
think he's building fixing the redoing Baylor's baseball field by
the by the river there on the strong arms of
the Brasses in Waco.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
He did the RAMS facility in uh. Where is that.
Speaker 8 (49:44):
Woodland Hills And he's doing and he just finished the
Packers locker room. So he's been out in Lambeau a
bunch and sending me videos of like watching a guy,
you know, playing guitar at some beer bar, you know.
But yeah, he's an old friend of mine, very proud
of him. Darren Vieira is his name, and he is
(50:05):
a Architecture is one of the great arts. And we
have to build better buildings and more and more inspiring buildings,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
Like you look at like.
Speaker 8 (50:17):
Churches and buildings and things they built, you know, in
the last century and before, and there's great inspiration and
human endeavor in those things. And then all of a
sudden they started building like these communist block looking things everywhere,
and it's like, I don't want to live in a
society like that. I want stuff to look cool. Like
it did in the twenties and all these different styles
(50:38):
of building. And uh, there's a great book about architecture
and individual thought by an Rand called The fountain Head
that always reminds me of my friend Darren whenever I
see something new that he's built.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
But yes, thank you for mentioning me.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Well, I mean, anything out here you build is probably
get end up with graffiti on the side of it,
So there's always that time.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
No, No, we're in great shape here in La.
Speaker 8 (51:02):
We only have three like giant, like fifty story zombie
death high rises right that Staple Center is in the
shadow of And we're in great shape because we got
the Olympics come in, and we got the the World
Cup before that, and we got three zombie death towers.
And then you know, every once in a while, like
every night there's a street takeover and somebody's business gets
(51:25):
looted and blown out.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
We're doing good. That sounds like a lot of fun.
Speaker 8 (51:30):
That's awesome out here. Yeah, I guess you didn't drive
out to Vegas, Brady, but you know, on the way
out you can see in prim Nevada that Buffalo Bills
is closed now, Whiskey Petez is closed, Terribles is closed.
You know, there's some real blown out buildings in Vegas,
(51:51):
like toward the state line. And that's pretty much how
we are in LA all the time. Blown out, blown
out and closed and death and post apocalyptic.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Is that how you described the Dodgers at this point
in the year, Patrick, It's not good.
Speaker 8 (52:06):
Yeah, they're not playing well. I mean the four hun
earned runs last night, a bunch of airs. The other night,
Kershaw was, you know, beating the bench with his with
his glove. Uh, it's not good now. I think they're
still in first place, but they're not playing good baseball.
And you know, this happens in a baseball season, has
(52:26):
a lot of ups and downs. But they're they're not
They don't seem like they're on the same page, and
they don't seem to have I don't know where the leadership,
Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman and these guys, they're gonna
have to find some kind of way. But we needed
a little bit too, you know, we have to have
every once in a while, you have to bring out
(52:47):
the panic Brothers and hit the button and get the
fans a little riled up, because otherwise the baseball season
is not.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
Well, we have like we have a we have.
Speaker 8 (52:58):
A sound bite, you know, and you and then there's
like a Pad O'Brien the imitation or padd O'Brien clip.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Where he's like, I'm not parict I'm not pant.
Speaker 8 (53:11):
We would you have to and nobody wants to, Like
you bring people on and they're like, it's gonna be fine.
Don't you remember last year when it was like, yeah,
but that's no fun. We got a panic you know,
we gotta we gotta live for the moment. But uh,
it's getting a little bit worse than the Panic Brothers.
The Dodgers seem to be playing uninspired baseball, which is
not a good thing at any time of the season.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Maybe they're bored, you know, they're just waiting for the
postseason to get here and hopefully things will turn back around.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Well, I mean that's not a good way to look
at it. Yes, agreed.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Well, at least Otani's playing, well, there is that, so
he's he's holding up his end of.
Speaker 8 (53:48):
The bargain and they're buying three hundred dollars jerseys. I
guess that's all that really matters.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Petros always appreciate it. You can get him on X
at the Old p He is the co host of
the Petros and Money Show, where the Panic Brothers can
be heard on the Blowtorch a five day early the
Fox College Football analysts. By the way, speaking of late,
that Washington game is an eight o'clock kick. Yeah, so
you you're gonna be up late for that one.
Speaker 8 (54:14):
There's twenty four hour restaurant at Seattle that's probably closed
and blown out and looted called thirteen Coins. Yeah, I
gotta head over to thirteen Coins after the game.
Speaker 4 (54:27):
I saw Jed Fish last night. He had just gotten
in and I asked him. I said, I.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Said, did you give your players, you know, curfew? He
said no, and I'm like, oh, all right.
Speaker 4 (54:40):
He goes, yeah, but he goes, I did tell them
that if you show up tomorrow there's any news about you.
Speaker 3 (54:45):
He's like, you've ruined your career.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
He's like, if you're dumb enough to do something that
you'll get in trouble for with your one opportunity to
have fun in a place like Las Vegas. So here's
the difference, though, Petros, could you imagine having nil money
at that age like the these kids do now they
actually can go.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
And enjoy themselves.
Speaker 8 (55:03):
Yeah I can't, And no, no, you don't want to
venture there, dude, I know, because none of us would
even be in school because we'd all be thrown out.
You know, do I have nil money on the internet
still exists? Yes, yeah, I'm going back to the mental hospital.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
Petros. We appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar airings and rating win and Jonas Knox
on five four radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Listen if you are listening to the iHeartRadio app and
you are listening in Europe and all over the world,
congratulations because somebody from here went over and took from there.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Big win yesterday for Scotti Scheffler, raising the American flag
and represented the country proud and putting on a show
yet again. The greatest golfer on the planet performs yet again,
seventeen under guy finished seventeen under par So Scotti Scheffler
is your Can we call it the British Open? Just
(00:47):
to be a pain in the ass of.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
All we call it the British Open? I think everyone
else is the one that calls it the Open. I
mean it is the oldest Major, so there is something
to that. But the run that he's been on the
past two years is incredible. I think he's been the
number one player now for one hundred and fourteen weeks.
Like we're watching a run similar to some of the
all time greats that I will caution this, people have been,
(01:11):
you know, putting out there all these stats comparing him
to Tiger. Okay, so twenty twenty two to twenty twenty five,
which is the run Scotty's been on. He plays, he's
played in eighty one events, He's one to twenty. He's
got four majors and two players championships. Okay, Tiger from
two thousand and two to two thousand and five, seventy
nine events, eighteen wins, four majors, zero players championships. So
(01:33):
you're like, oh, okay, it's kind of similar to Tiger, right,
so maybe some of this is warranted. Then you go
back three years before that for Tiger from ninety nine
to two thousand and two, seventy eight events, twenty seven wins,
seven majors, one players.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So I will say what Scotty's doing is in sports
right now.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I would argue he's the most dominant player where he
feels like the sun coming up tomorrow, where if he's
in a lead going into the final round, it is inevitable.
And that's what you hear them talk about, that he's
going to win and he's not going to win. He
might beat the brakes off the rest of the field,
and that's how it kind of felt even though NBC
did their best to pump up ry McElroy all they could,
(02:19):
was I the only one who felt that way watching it?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh, it's I mean, we've got okay, did you hear
this was courtesy? Do we know the credit on this?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
On this all right?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
So this was we're going to try and get the credit.
So if you are listening overseas and you're a big
fan of this show, understand that we will get the
credit as soon as we have the proper credit to give.
But this was the British version of Rory McElroy over
the weekend, and you tell me if there was a
rooting interest here from that side of the world.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
This is for Eagle three. It's on its way. Come on, Rory, come.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
On, Rory, keep going, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Let's go, it's coming over the ridge, go.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
One on again, on again, Yes, bounds Rory McElroy, Eagle
on the twelfth.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's like like hearing me roote for my kid, like
at mini golf, Like, what are we doing here? Aren't
you supposed to be impartial? Aren't you supposed to just
call it as it is instead of openly rooting and
pulling for somebody to win. In these events. I mean,
I don't know golf etiquette as well as you do,
but I would assume as a broadcaster, that's the etiquette
(03:31):
you should have. So there's a couple of thoughts. The
first is, yes, you're supposed to be unbiased. You're supposed
to kind of follow the way the tournament or the
game is going, and that's what you're supposed to highlight
and talk about. However, this was somewhat unique.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
There's not many tournaments that are played in Northern Ireland. Uh,
Royal Port Rush is not the home course for Roy
mcroy's home course I think was like Hollywood Golf Club,
but it was one where you know, he's they're trying
to type him up. The crowd was there for him, rooting,
had a strong rooting interest. And I'm sure if you're
there and you feel the crowd is constantly pulling for Rory,
(04:09):
is following Rory, and he's got the you know, the
bulk of the crowd, there's gonna be elements that you
need to play into on TV. But I think this
was more of a what other storyline do we have?
Like we've got Scotti Scheffler who's dominating the sport. Everyone's
heard about it, talked about it, you know, after his
press earlier in the week where he kind of downplayed
(04:30):
the success, downplayed the Pinnacle moments, and he talked a
little bit about that after he won.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
But when you have a player like that who.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Doesn't want to lean into it, and Jordan Smith even
talked about this a little bit, that he's not trying to,
you know, change the game like Tiger did. Like he's
just coming there to win and he's going home with
his family, like that's that's all he cares about. I
think from that perspective, it makes it tough for TV
to really, you know, ravitate towards a guy who's not
(05:02):
trying to lean into everything they're trying to do to
continue to build the game. And I'm not saying that
Scotty Scheffer's not building the game. I think he's doing
it in his own way. But I guess is contemporaries
like those guys don't feel like he is.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I mean, look, he's not. Tiger Woods was his own world,
like his own universe, and that's why you could argue
who's the greatest golfer of all time? If you were
around watching golfer watching sports when Tiger was in his prime.
That's Jordan, Like we're talking, that's rarefied air that we
(05:38):
will not see. And yes, Scotti Scheffler's you know, doesn't
have all that and probably doesn't even want that. But
what's wrong with that? Like, I don't think I don't
think it diminishes what he's done for the sport. He
just doesn't have the interest or maybe the thought that, yeah,
I want to go out and I want to build
and promote and be this revolutionary being at this at
(06:02):
this level, representing the sport on a global grand scale.
And Scotti Scheffler even talked because people took that quote
that you mentioned where he just kind of said, hey, listen,
it's cool, but these moments are fleeting and he just
it wasn't as overwhelmed by everything, and it didn't it
didn't run his world and run his life the way
that the way that he a lot of athletes maybe
(06:23):
let them get to at that point. And we talked
about this where Kevin Durant Aaron Rodgers said the same thing.
They finally won a championship and they were like, is
that it?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Like? Is that is that it?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And so Scheffler. Afterwards yesterday was again asked about those comments,
and of course had to clarify his statements.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
I think we live now in a day and age
of where, you know, clickbait is kind of what people
look for and you can shorten a five minute clip
into you know, three words. I think really underestimates what
I was trying to communicate. You know, maybe I didn't
do as effective a job of what I would have
hoped to in communicating that, but you know, at the
end of the day, I have a tremendous amount of
gratitude towards moments like these. I've literally worked my entire
(07:01):
life to become somewhat good at this game, to be
able to play this game for a living, and it's
one of the great joys of my life.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Being able to compete out here and.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
To be able to win the Open Championship here at
Port Rush is a feeling that's really hard to describe.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You know, if.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Somebody's going to listen to the comments I had this week,
I would encourage them to listen to all of it,
and hopefully I did a good job of communicating.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
That, Yeah, this is amazing.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
To win the Open Championship but at the end of
the day, having success in life, whether it be in golf,
for work, or whatever it is, that's not what fulfills
the deepest desires of your heart. Am I grateful for it?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Do I enjoy it? Oh?
Speaker 6 (07:33):
My gosh, Yeah, this is a cool feeling. I can't
wait to get home and celebrate this, this championship, you know,
with the people that have kind of helped me along
the way. But at the end of the day, it
doesn't fulfill the deepest desires in my heart. And uh,
but it's just it's just tough to describe when you
when you when you haven't lived it. You know, something
I actually talked to Shane about this week was, you know,
(07:56):
just because you win a golf tournament accomplished them, that
doesn't make you happy.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
It doesn't.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Maybe for a few moments, maybe for a few days,
but at the end of the day then you know
there's more life than playing golf. But you know, I'm
I'm pretty excited to go home and celebrate this one
works for me.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's just he's not wrapped up in it. He's got
a life. Sorry.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Can I make it a comparison of Scotty Scheffler to
someone else in the radio worlds that I would say
Scottie Scheffler's perspective most closely aligns with you if you
actually look at if you look at just how you
go about and associate yourself with radio and kind of
(08:36):
that disconnect where you know, you've got a family, you
also have a son, one in which that you know,
from time to time in the big moments, we get
to see you and your son, but that's really it.
And then you guys go off and you go home,
or you go off and you do your own thing,
very similar to Scotty Scheffler. You know, you guys like
to keep the radio world in which you dominate in
(08:58):
its own space, while the whole family life and everything
else is a completely different, compartmentalized part of your life.
So I would say the closest thing in the radio
world to Scotty Scheffler is one Jonas Knox.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Hey, I'll take it, and that is one hundred percent
spot on and correct. Maybe that's why I can what
he says resonates with me, because I don't there are
two different things the second you get home, and I've
heard athletes talk about this to where if you win
a game, or you lose a game, or you win
a fight or lose a fighter, whatever it is that
you do in competition. When you get home to your family,
(09:34):
they don't care about any of that. None of that matters.
When I get home to my son, he doesn't care
what my best take the day was. What he wants
to know is, Hey, when are we going to play baseball?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Can I get this monster truck? Like he doesn't care
about any of that stuff, So I yeah, maybe there
is a little something to that. Although what Scotty Scheffler
is doing at his level from a radio standpoint, I'm
nowhere close. And I do wonder what is the game
app between him and the next best player, because we've
talked about that in the NFL, where Hey, if Aaron
Donald is the best interior defensive lineman, what's the gap
(10:09):
between him and the next best? And as of right now,
who's even close to Scotti Scheffler.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
It's it's tough to figure out who exactly that person
would be because you think it back to Tiger and
I always wonder, hey, what would Phil Mickelson's career had
been like had Tiger not been around? You know, we're
probably talking about it a little bit different. You know,
maybe he still lives for the live tour, but it
leaves for the live tour. Maybe he doesn't. But there's
there's a lot of those guys that you say, man,
I wonder what their career would have been had they not,
(10:39):
you know, had that Tiger Woods.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
That was in the way.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
A guy who is an anomaly and just that much
better than everyone else. I'm not sure if you throw
in like Xander Shoftle, I'm not sure who you would
you throw in there, because he's just he's been so dominant.
Now I do want to go back to Rory, and
I've got a conspiracy theory on this. Oh right, So
I don't know if we've got any music or if
(11:04):
it's possible to maybe bring back some Robert Stack.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
He's here straight off the course of Royal Troon.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I mean, we heard the clip from a few moments
ago where it felt over the top from NBC and
for anyone who watched in particular on Saturday, because Rory
shot one of his better rounds. I believe it was
Saturday at least, and it wasn't even the best round
of the day, but everyone was acting like it was
I think Russell Henley actually shot the lowest round, but
they're hyping him up. He's gonna make it roll. Oh
(11:36):
my god, I mean this whole thing. It was just
so over the top and I was thinking of myself.
Wasn't it earlier in the week we saw another note
about Rory McRoy turning down eight hundred and fifty million
to go to live to her?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Was it earlier this past week or maybe two weeks ago?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Uh? I think so, And it was. It was eight
hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Eight hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Jesus.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
And it feels like every single time that there's an
issue for Rory, right, we had that, we had the
whole debacle of the non conforming driver, which came out
Scotti Scheffler acknowledged it and said, hey, they took my
driver too. In fact, if we're going to do this,
why don't we do it to everyone?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
You know?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Why are we only doing this for a third of
the players that are in the tournament. Why doesn't everyone
have their clubs? You know, looked at our drivers, looked
at and where was upset because it happened to get
out and it made him look look kind of bad.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Right, because he had won it.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
He finally got the last major he was looking for,
and now people are saying, all right, well, because he
was using a non performing driver, Well, then we didn't
see him for a couple of weeks, so you had
that whole issue. Then we stopped seeing him more and
more talking to the media and saying, hey, we're not
obligated too.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I was doing this on my own account.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
But he didn't like how that got out about the
non conforming driver. He didn't feel like people had his
back after years of defending the PGA Tour, after years
of not going to the live tour, and this was,
in my opinion, really the next big tournament moment they've
kind of had since all of that, all that fallout,
and it's just it's not surprising to me that you
(13:16):
hear about him going, oh, he turned it down. He's
been turning down live tour offers forever, so either he's
putting it out there because he wants to keep reminding people, Hey,
I've been one of the guys who stayed loyal. I've
been one of the guys who's been upholding the PGA
Tour while the live tours try to come in and
pillage us, and I think a lot of the broadcast
(13:38):
and media partners have been asked to talk as favorably
as possible about him. It was a natural storyline for
the British Open, given that was in Northern Ireland at
Royal Point Rush. But I do think that there is
a concentrated effort by all parties involved me in the
PGA Tour of trying to make Rory happen because of
(14:01):
how everything has gone over the past couple of years,
and even though he's had his moments, he hasn't been
quite as successful as I think he probably would like
to be, his team would like him to be, and
maybe a lot of people out there thought he would be.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I buy it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
By the way, apologies I called it Royal Troon on accident.
My apologies didn't mean to confuse that with Port Rush,
but yeah, it makes sense because he has really been
the most vocal about supporting the PGA Tour as opposed
to live golf, like if you think about it, more
so than Tiger, more so than anybody, and so there
may be U there MAKEE good to him. In response
(14:37):
to this, with with these reports continuing to come out
of at the live tour could be that. I buy it,
that makes sense. He did disappear for a little bit,
and he didn't seem all that pleased about you know,
the testing of the clubs and and all that that
went on, and and Scottie Scheffler was just like, hey,
I mean, is what it is, but that that was
(14:57):
a fantastic performance for Scotty Schefer. And do you think
he's like Joker where he lets his horses play with
his trophies when they get home and just kind of
says that I under need this, this is just a
toy at this point.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I don't know. I hope he's really boring.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Like I actually love the fact that he just seems
like a really good normal guy. You know, he wins it.
He looks immediately for his wife and son. You know,
he's standing with them, hugging with them. You know, his
dad comes up and he's like, I have no words.
I mean, he's he's on such a run right now
the past couple of years that I imagine now as
a father watching a child do something like this, the
(15:35):
pinnacle of that sport. And he's talked about how hard
he's worked to get here and at being here especially
with the early struggles and some of the changes that
he made. But you look at it and you just go, yeah,
I'm speechless too. I mean even after he won, the
broadcasts were speechless.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
He said it. They're like, what do you say? I mean,
what do you say at this point when it feels like.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
It's an inevitable every single time he steps up on
a big stage, if he's not winning it, he's right
there in the mix, and you better hope he doesn't
have that lead going into Sunday?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Was Bryson de Shambo? Did I see this correctly? He
was tied for one hundred and forty fourth at one
point and finished tenth. I think he was like tied
for tenth.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
At one point, came all the way back.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's like under the radar, like really impressive was What
was impressive was and this is one of the things
that I've appreciated about his like transition from being one
of more hated players in golf to one of.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
The most likable.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Now the putt he hit, I think he ended up
finishing out like ten under or something. The putt he
hit though on eighteen on the final day, he gave
like the biggest fist pump and like brohok to a
Scatty and he just he embraces it like he's one
of those guys who like fully embraces where it's at.
I think that's the only knock that you're gonna hear
on Scotti Scheffler in the runnings on right now is
(16:52):
he's not playing Bryson d. Chambeau every week. You know,
he's not playing you know, Tyrrell Hadden or whoever else
do you want to say that's on the live tour
that you could say it would be a you know,
a quality golf because we only see him the majors.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
And even though.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Scotty's dominating when he plays in the Majors, he's not
playing those guys on a weekly basis. So that is
the other caveat to like looking at Scotty Scheffer's run
and comparing it to Tiger. It's a little bit too
like the Lebron Jordan debate, where people kind of forget
just how dominant good Jordan was in an era where
different brand of basketball, so many stars that he went
(17:28):
through in the East too, just to be able to
get to a championship, as compared to how bad the
East was during Lebron's career, and even though he made
it to all these NBA finals, you're like, okay, that's
that was a much easier path than what Jordan had
to deal with. Kind of similar to with Scheffler, it
hasn't been the most difficult path path. And maybe why
Jack Nicholas sel he said after the Memorial Tournament this year,
(17:50):
you know, just kind of talking about some of the
guys who are in competition that he had a feeling
they were going to fold in the end when they
were going up against Scotty Scheffler.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
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Speaker 2 (19:15):
We do have some hopes that maybe things will turn
around for somebody in the NFL, and that's somebody is
none other than Trey Hendrickson, the star pass rusher for
the Cincinnati Bengals. This from Diana Rassini, who wrote this
on social media yesterday on x Quote, just spoke to
Bengals pass rusher Trey Hendrickson, who is currently in Jacksonville.
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For the last thirty days. He'd been at his home
in Cincinnati and training, but his training camp approached, he
and his wife decided to leave. They received two offers
and a twenty four hour span, none containing the guarantees
past the first year he was looking for. Hendrickson didn't
want to hear the practice whistles while being a distraction
to his teammates, so he and his wife if Alyssa,
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decided to pack up and head to Florida. Down in Jacksonville,
Hendrickson continues to train, hoping that a deal could be
worked out.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I was more than willing to take less in some
ways in order to make this work. So that from
Diana Rossini on the subject of Trey Hendrickson and why
he has not agreed to a deal with the Cincinnati Bengals.
I mean, it just it just continues on, and I
get this funny feeling this thing's going to end poorly.
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Either he's going to get traded or he's just not
going to get a deal with.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
The Bengals based on that report, Does it feel like
the Bengals are almost betting against him being able to
keep this sort of productivity? And that's what it feels like.
If you're only able to give him one year of
guaranteesing the deal, you're looking at his age and you're
saying he's either going to be subject to injury or
he's going to have a dramatic decline in his level
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of play. Now, I also say this too about Al Golden,
and we you and I have talked about this before
in regards to scheme and sometimes the coordinators and how
that can play a factor into how they value players,
and some organizations and how those coaches play a.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Factor in how much they value, you know, a.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Big contract extension like this, because if you've got a
more elaborate scheme where we're gonna be pressuring like Al
Golden does, and I assume what he did a Notre
Dame wi Vise very similar to what he's going to
do in Cincinnati. I'm not saying that you don't need
talented players. You always need talented players, But when you
talk about a guy who's got what seventeen sacks the
past two years. You know, you are at times trying
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to isolate him and you can get away with a
four man rush because he's so productive, and I'm sure
every defense coordinator would love that luxury. But if you're
a guy who likes to bring pressure and likes to,
you know, do a variety of things, maybe that is necessary,
right because you're going to find a way of getting
free runners based on the protection, and you're going to
scheme up some things to get pressure. You don't need
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to necessarily pay, you know, a ton of money out
for it.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
That's the case. So I do wonder how you know
that new.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Defensive scheme without golden calling the defense is factors in
to some degree to to any of this. But when
I hear only one year of guarantees, what it's saying
to me is like they don't believe that he's going
to be able to maintain his production. They don't believe
he's going to be able to maintain his level of health,
which is unfortunate. So hopefully they can get to a
point where they at least give him two years of guarantees.
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You know, it used to be quarterbacks were the only
ones who got into the third year. We're seeing some
of the top players now other positions get that, and
we've obviously seen players like Deshaun Watson get a fully
guaranteed deal, but those are few and far between. As
we know, the owners have colluded to make sure that
doesn't happen again.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
This is what doesn't make any sense about what the
Bengals are doing. If this is the approach, and the
report is true, he's only getting one year of guarantees.
I could understand if there was a history of injuries,
especially over the past couple of years, as he's gotten older.
There hasn't every game the past two years. He's gotten
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better as the contract has gone on, like from twenty
twenty one to now, he's gotten better, and he's been
healthy the previous two years. So if anybody's got a gripe,
or if anybody's got a hey, you know, look at
what I've done. There's no evidence to support the fact
that maybe I'm slipping as I'm getting a little bit older.
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In fact, I've gotten better the previous two seasons. It's
Trey Hendrickson. And yet, for some reason, if that's the
case and the Bengals are like, yeah, we're just not
sure if you can keep this up. What has given
you any indication of that. He hasn't missed games like
he's produced, He's been one of your only producers on
the defensive side of the ball. Without him, what is
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this defense? And then it goes to the Shamar Stewart
stuff where it's like, Okay, well, at least we've got
a backup plan. You don't even have that like that.
That's the part of this I don't understand. And I
know that you're paying somebody not for what they did,
but for what they can do. But at a certain
point you do have to look at this and go,
what evidence do we have to support us thinking that
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he can't last, or that he can't hold up physically
or whatever it is at this at this stage of
his career, when all the evidence would point to no,
he actually has and in fact, he's gotten better the
previous two years. That's the part of this. It doesn't
make any sense to me.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
It's also odd too, because we've seen like older pass
rushers still be able to play extremely well late into
their career, and if you look at how the leagues
continue to evolve, it's not as if we're talking about,
you know, a guy who is going to be going
up against a lot of you know I formations, base
personnel sets where you're going to be playing against the
run more often than not. I mean, these guys are
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are there, everyone's throwing more, everyone's playing more spread formations.
So he's going to have the opportunity to be in
there on passing downs or even passing situations to impact
the game. So you know, not only do you do
you like to have Shamar Stewart in there as a
young player, but you'd like to have a veteran that
at least if it's you know, for a year, you
know they can you know, they can model this after it.
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And to be quite honest, that's the other part of
the equation is they're only probably willing to do one
year of guarantees because they don't want to have to
thrust Shamar Steward, as we talked to Pete Prisco about yesterday,
into starting and playing right away. He hasn't been there
all off season. They can't seem to figure out that
contractual situation. So even if they do get him in
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at some point, you'd like him to be able to
sit and watch and then slowly work him in until
he's playing a more pivotal role. And then two years
from now, you know, let that be his opportunity to
be the guy. And at that point in time, you're
going to look at Trey Hendrickson say, hey, there's no
guarantees left on this deal. That makes it much easier
to trade. That makes us much much easier to move
on from you if we need to, if there's an issue.
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You know, creates more flexibility for the ownership. So you
can understand too why they only have one year of
guarantees in it, and and because of you know who's
waiting in the wings. And you can understand why Trey
Hendrickson would be frustrated by that because to a certain
degree he is that's the running on the wall, like
he knows exactly the move that they made. Even though
you know Sam Hubber retired, you know, they still are
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looking at it saying like this is eventually going to end,
and we've got your replacement waiting to you know, sitting
right behind you, waiting to come in for that moment.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
We just haven't Pharaoh's contract yet.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
How could Joe Burrow factor into this? Could he put
pressure on the organization publicly. I know it's not you know,
maybe his job to do that, But if he's the guy,
if he's the face of the franchise, and you know
he has spoken about yeah, listen, it's not ideal. You know,
we've got you know, he's made mention of it before
in the off season. But if they start asking him questions,
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how could he put pressure on them to try and
get this deal done? Because he wanted to get the
t Higgins deal done, they got it done. He wanted
to get Jamar Chase done. They got it done. They
obviously got his deal done. Why not step on the
gas and put heat on the organization to get this done?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Well, that'd be a better question for him.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
But of course he could, you know, put pressure on
them by publicly stating we need to get this done
or publicly advocate for Trey and not that I mean
that would be a comment that if he said it
out loud or to the media, I would assume Mike
Brown would be walking down to his locker soon after that.
I mean, that's that's where this thing goes. So he's
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aware of that he's been compensated handsomely, and you know,
as much as you want to help out your teammates,
there's also elements of like, well how much are you.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Willing to help out?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
And maybe that would be a conversation Mike Brown would
would have with them, you know, But again that hasn't
happened yet, not saying it won't if we don't get
to that point, but because I'm sure they're going to
continue to keep asking Joe Burrow about this, and again
I keep going back.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
To the track record.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
I know Bengals fans probably hate hearing this, and I
sound like it's a broken record, but Carson Palmer got
frustrated with this and it eventually drove him away from
the franchise. And you have to beg It begs to
ask the question, will Joe Burrow get frustrated with this
if every single time you know, we look at this
Bengals organization is are they willing to step up? You know,
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we never got our clip yesterday together Of all the
many things that I told you, Pete Prisco would saying defense.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Of the Bengals, By the way, your best performance in
the history of this show is I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
About that, but the prediction, I mean, it's again It's
very easy to tell with Pete because he's got his
buddies and he defends his buddies and like anyone would,
but he's also blinded to the fact that they are cheap.
I mean, I know guys who played for that organization.
Trust me, they are cheap, all right. They will any.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Play Let's play with them, and they play anywhere else.
They'll tell you that.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
So that being said, I do think Burrow could help,
but it might come at the expense of maybe his
relationship with Mike Brown or the organization and how that
would feel.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Like I do wonder about that when you mentioned people
who have been there, because I TJ. Hush Manzada has
talked about just how cheap they were when he was
a part of it, and then you hear the Carson
Palmer stuff. He basically just decided to retire, like really
good quarterback just decided I got to get the hell
out of here. I can't be a part of this anymore.
And I do wonder all this offseason is done, even
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though they paid T Higgins and even though they paid
Jamar Chase, Like if you're a defensive player, like are
you even considering the Bengals in free agency, Like, based
on all of this, if you're a guy in the draft,
are you looking at the Bengals when their pick comes
up and you're playing on that side of the ball, thinking, oh, please,
please not this? Like all they've done is prove people
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right about how frugal and cheap the organization is. And
Bengal fans can get pissy about it all they want.
Andy Furman just text me, by the way, all of
a sudden, he's a Bengals ball washer, a guy's been
ripping the organization for thirty five years, going all the
way back to Sam Weish, and now he's texting me
going but Trey's under contract. Apparently that doesn't mean anything, dude,
He's outperformed his deal. Max Crosby went down with an
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injury last year and got paid this offseason. Miles Garrett
got paid, TJ Watt got paid. He's made Trey Hendrickson
and is making half of what those guys have made,
and he had a better year than all of them
last year. Like I don't there's no argument for the
Bengals at this point. And for some reason, you got
people like fanboys like Andy Furman, who's gonna sit there
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and cap up for him. It's disgusting.
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Speaker 2 (30:26):
We've got traditions here on this show, and we've got
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can hear on the blowtorch AM five to seventy LA
Sports Fox College Football Analyst. You can also get him
on X at the Old pe Petros, Good morning.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Good morning.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
How you feeling Will I'm all right, I'm here, Yeah
you are. What's going on? Is everybody at the Big
ten media Day?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Everyone?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
No?
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Not everyone? Brady, I'm here, Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
What was before we get to that? How was Mountain
West Media Days? Petros?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
The Death of the Mountain West.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
I saw the Mountain West commissioner at like a cocktail
party and she was like.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
We're just going to concentrate on this year, you know.
I was like, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Did you have any fun interactions with Timmy Chang again
or no?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, I love Timmy Chang.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
Actually It was great to talk about Hawaii football with him,
and they had a much better year than anybody thought.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
And his old defensive or his defensive.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
Coordinator is the guy that recruited me at USC, Dennis Thurman,
an old All.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
American from there.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
Yeah, DT no way, all right, Cowboys USC All American,
Santa Monica High school legend. So I go way back
with old DT uh from my brother's days and being recruited.
So that was cool to catch up with Timmy Chang.
There are some actually really interesting coaches in that league
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and to sit, you know, for fifteen minutes alone with
each of them is always rewarding. Troy Calhoun is great
from Air Force and has been there forever. Last place
he coached was the Houston Texans, and he was telling
me about how they didn't pick Vince Young or Reggie
Bush and why and all that when they had the
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first pick in the draft so many years ago. And
Ken mia Motalolo, who was at Navy for like twenty
eight years and now at San Jose State, is interesting
to talk to. Bronco Mendenhall, very professorial now at Utah State.
And then Dan Mullen who's now at UNLV, who's really
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I mean, it's crazy what's happened to UNLV. And yes,
they've always had not always, but in the last you know,
ten to fifteen years, they've had this big donor for Tita,
one of the guys that owns the when they own
the Houston Rockets and they own a whole bunch of
stuff in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
He's still own the UFC, right, yeah, yeah, and they
they had a huge donor there.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
But now that Vegas is like a town, as you know,
with the A's coming and you got the hockey team
and you have maybe Hoops come in and all of
these the Raiders and the fact that they play an
allegiance now UNLV other than the fact that I think
there's some contract stipulation that means wherever they go they
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have to bring Nevada with them, which is kind of
like having to bring cousin Eddie with you, you know,
to a bougie party. But I mean, Reno is a trip,
right And I like that coach too, Chote, who was
with SARK at Texas.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
But UNLV is really on the come up. And it
was interesting talking.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
To Dan Mullen, who's made a lot of money coaching
in the SEC and saying, you know, I gonna have
a drink here in Vegas and as a coaching you
and help me with my wife, and nobody cares and
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
They don't say you got to be at the office.
You know. It was interesting talking all these different guys.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
So it was actually, even though the Mountain West is dying,
it seems or will look a lot different next year.
People do want nighttime time slots, so we'll see how
it shakes out.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
But I had a picture how different does it sound
with Dan Mullen talking from his perspective at UNLV versus
like if he was like Starkville, you know, does he
think will you be able to go out in Starkville?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
That was his point, you know.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
I mean he was saying that the SEC, the amount
of pressure that they put on you is almost not
worth it, which is very interesting because you know who
else I talked to was the new Fresno coach Matt Entz,
who is a great coach. He was at USC last
year coaching linebackers, but he was the head coach championship
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head coach coach at North Dakota State, so he was
one of those guys like Chris Cleman who's at Kansas State,
or I don't know if Leipold was there, but he
has a background in small universities. But Dickert was at
North Dakota State. I don't think he was the head coach.
Craig Bowl from Wyoming was at North Dakota State. And
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these guys all say the same thing. They were miserable
and fargo and not because of the weather and all
that and what you're used to. But if you win
thirteen games and lose one, they tell you for three
months that you're a failure and it's sixty below.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
You know.
Speaker 8 (35:35):
The second you know, you lose it in December or whatever,
and it's sixty below and they tell you you're a failure
for the rest of the year. These guys can't wait
to get out of there. But that guy, Matt Enttz
was at USC last year and now he's the head
coach at Fresno and he was interesting to talk to too.
They talked about that fish bowl of North Dakota State,
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and I think it's very similar to an SECC where,
I mean, look, you want to have alignment, the best
thing you can have to have success as a college
football coach is the ad the president of the university,
and the head coach and the whole staff all on
the same page, right like Oklahoma used to have when
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Bob Stoops was there. Everybody holds you up, everybody holds
the program up. I'd imagine it's not very different at
Penn State or places like that, but you have to
have that. But if you do have that, like every
SEC school, where everybody's aligned to have a great football program,
you would do end up in a more money, more
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problem situation where the amount of pressure to win on
these coaches is huge and they're scared to have a
drink with their wife in front of everybody.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Petros, I want to ask you because when you brought
up LV, and with the recent news of Memphis trying
to jump into is a big twelve, and the Big
twelve armed them. UNLV is like that team that I
feel like if they try to join another conference and
try to leap up, it would maybe make some sense,
even the progress they've made and the money they've got and.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Just the venue in general.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
But I'm just curious to get your thoughts on just
that whole situation, which I don't know if Memphis wanted
to become public, but it became public and it's probably
not good for Memphis, And I don't know if it's
good for college football.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
Are they They're in the AAC now, yeah, and they're
trying to get out, and you know everybody's trying to
step up, and these teams that have money can do
it fast.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Out here on the West coast.
Speaker 8 (37:38):
You know who was doing that, who has a lot
of money and you wouldn't even know it. Sacramento State,
like they've been making a push. Remember they interviewed Michael Vick.
They ended up hiring the guy that was coaching at
UNLV last year, a very innovative offensive coordinator, Brennan Marion
of the go go offense.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
That he named when he was the coordinator at A
Howard Not a dance style.
Speaker 8 (38:00):
It is actually a musical genre from Washington, DC, the
go go offense. And he's taken it to Sacramento State
and they have a lot of money and they're trying
to buy their way in and they got stiff armed
a couple times, but they're on the come up. One
that really can move is Texas State, right the Bobcats.
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We saw them buy their way into the new PAC
twelve and step up in life. So a lot of
these people are trying it because if they have the
money and the backing behind them, and it's such a
crazy time and the getting is good, you can make
a run. Now when you try to buy your way in,
everybody else has to share revenue with you at some point,
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right So that's probably a stumbling block. But I see
the same thing happening at a lot of places. The
UNLV situation, Brady is really interesting because, like I said,
everybody wants you at LV, but I think they have
to get out of this weird contractual thing where if
UNLV comes, they bring Reno and a lot of people
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don't know, Like Reno's like a nine hour drive from
Las Vegas, and it's like the most desolate drive in
the history of mankind, and it's it's a little place that, Yeah,
they can have success and Colin Kaepernick and Chris Alt
and a lot of different good things have happened in Nevada,
but right now they're more of a basketball school and
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they are a big hindrance to UNLV climbing up.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
In the world of college football.
Speaker 8 (39:32):
But hopefully we just have the games coming up soon,
which is happening, and we don't have to talk as
much about our very unsavory offseason.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
So same state, completely different worlds between Reno and Vegas, basically.
Speaker 8 (39:47):
I mean it's still I mean, I still find both
places to be starkly depressing, regardless of.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, by the way, how was your drive out there?
Because you didn't want to take the flight so you drove.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
Yeah, I don't if I do that again, Like I
hate flying, but the drive made me nervous too. I
was fine until I ran into a haboob or whatever
a monsoon on the way home. Oh did you really
around State line?
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah? And it was.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
It was frightening. A big somebody's trailer hitch flipped in
front of me. There was a big rig accident in
front of me, huge like crazy dust storms that look
like wow, that's like targeting my car as it crosses
the freeway.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
And it was a lot.
Speaker 8 (40:33):
Yeah, heavy rain and one hundred and twenty degrees pretty gnarly.
So yeah, I might fly next time, considering that, I
think I'm going to travel a little bit more this
year for some of the games I do, so I'm
gonna have to buck up, maybe get some some xanax
er see the psychiatrist.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Hell yeah, the old p on the road. Do you
know any of your schedule? Do you know?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
We tentatively.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
Tentatively they said I open at Washington with Colorado State,
which would be a great game. I love that Colorado
State quarterback Nicolosi. The guy that got into it was
should do he? And uh, Washington's got a new quarterback,
runs around a whole bunch, so we'll see it maybe.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
But you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (41:15):
I was told one year that I was going to
be Tim Branda's sideline analyst, and then it changed. So
whenever they tell you what you're doing a lot of
the time, unless you're Brady, you know on Big News.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Okay, easy, real quick, before we move on with whatever
you're gonna say next, I mean, is that a good thing?
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Then? What? Well? I mean, you're not doing the sidelines
with Brando? No, that was like years ago. Oh okay,
I thought, you know.
Speaker 8 (41:40):
I mean what I'm saying is things change. Sometimes they
tell you what you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Do and then it changes.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Yes, but I'm just saying I already know what you're
gonna do, but well, sometimes sometimes they don't tell you
at all. Then things just kind of happen. You're like, right, yeah,
this is happening. Now you react to that.
Speaker 8 (41:54):
Yeah, great deal of confusion as the dominoes fall on
the college football season.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
But yeah, that that's what it looks like. Now.
Speaker 8 (42:01):
It looks like maybe opening up in Seattle, which would
be great. I've been in Seattle since like last year
or two.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Years ago something.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Where are you with the whole college football expansion for
the playoff? Do you care at this point how many
teams do we have? Now we're twelve?
Speaker 3 (42:18):
All right? How many do they want? Sixteen? At them all?
Make it seventy?
Speaker 8 (42:25):
Like?
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Who cares?
Speaker 8 (42:25):
Right, They're just gonna I mean at this point we
have done such rapid change in the last seven eight
years that I mean they're just hitting the gas and
completely and totally retransforming the sport. And part of it
is because of what's happened the TV. The TV companies
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have taken over, and that's where the money is, and
that's what's driving the revenue, and that's what's driving basically
the decision making. I think the biggest problem is the
TV network can't get along the way we thought they
might be able to.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Maybe maybe five years.
Speaker 8 (43:05):
Ago when a lot of this started, we thought the
TV networks would be able to kind of make decisions
together or help create a new super league or something
to kind of get away from the confusion of the NCAA.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
And I don't know if you.
Speaker 8 (43:22):
Thought that, Brady, but I certainly thought that we would
have a little bit more uniformity. But I think Fox
and ESPN and the SEC and Big ten as their proxies,
see it so differently from each other and how they
want to go about this that we're kind of in
the same holding pattern as ever, at least we have
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games to concentrate on and have fun with it in the.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Next few weeks.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
That's what we've been kind of saying, right like, it's
kind of nice just to be able to have football
coming back soon as we have to.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Talk about all this stuff. Yeah, everything else, sude. I mean,
here's the biggest difference. The NFL.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
It obviously dictates, you know, who's a part of it.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
And obviously you know, you've had streaming services who.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Want to get in on this, and you know, Fox
and CBS and ABC, ESPN, NBC, they're all kind of
boxing them out for now. That's obviously could could very
well change in college football. There's not one kind of
unifying approach, you know, whereas the NFL can kind of
dictate almost to a lot of those who are you know,
(44:25):
showing them. And the problem is, I think that at
times we try to make the model of what college
football is after what the NFL is, and that's where
just it can't work that way, right.
Speaker 8 (44:38):
Well, I mean, yeah, that's kind of a college football is.
I remember ty Wellingham saying this to me in the
midst of a winless season. College football is great because
of the chaos. College football is great because we embrace
the chaos of young people with a tremendous amount of
(44:59):
responsible ability on and off the field. The hash marks
being where they are. It creates big plays, mistakes, fun, excitement, improbability.
That's the greatness of college football. When we're playing games
the off season, we have a lot of that chaos.
(45:20):
There's no game to celebrate all we have. Look, Brady,
you've done business at universities for years. You happen to
really love your alma mater, but you also know what
it's like to do business with colleges or universities.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Not easy.
Speaker 8 (45:37):
It seems like they're very big on the outside, but
when you're on the inside, it feels like a very
small world of a bunch of very petty people trying
to pull rank or tenure on each other.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
It's not a fun place to work.
Speaker 8 (45:51):
You feel trapped when you work at one college or
one university, and it's kind of it just feels like
nobody can get out of their way in the chaos
of the off season. We just you know, the NFL
is a great example, but it's not fair to compare
college to it, because it is one entity with one
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person in charge and a group of owners that create
what you know, other than Al Davis and the Raiders,
they create uniformity, and it makes it easy, and it
makes they know how to handle their off season and
so on and so forth. And you can say the
same even about leagues that aren't as celebrated. The NBA
(46:33):
does a better job with their off season. The MLB.
My god, here in town in LA. They throw off
season parties. They sign some Japanese guy who's a superstar.
The whole collective media comes out to meet a guy
named Roki Sasaki or Yoshi Yamamoto.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
They do a better job. In the off season in.
Speaker 8 (46:55):
College we don't have any agreement or uniformity, So our
off season is basically just a bunch of people suing
each other and politicians grandstanding, and teams trying to go
back on their word.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
And that's the other thing.
Speaker 8 (47:09):
Like somebody pointed this out to me in football a
long time ago. It's like all anybody ever does in
college football is use this lip service about you know,
we're together, we're a team, we're all for one and
one for all, and we don't bend for anybody.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
We keep our values and this and that, and we
keep our word.
Speaker 8 (47:29):
And then most of college football is just trying to
get out of like a contract that you signed and
not keep your word. You get a kid who's verbally
committed to somebody, and you sit there and use all
these platitudes about being an honorable person, and then your
whole life is to try to get a seventeen year
old to go back on his word and commit to you.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
You know. So there's a great deal of hypocrisy.
Speaker 8 (47:54):
The biggest one, probably, Brady, is the fact that we
have this major, multi billion dollar sport somehow wrapped up
with it, I mean completely within the roots and totally
wrapped up as it's like unable to separate like a
tumor within our institutions of higher education and research.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
And how did that happen.
Speaker 8 (48:17):
It happened naturally, and it happened over you know, the
span of hundreds of years. But right now we're in
this hyper speed money grab and yeah, it's it's it's
harder and harder.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
To enjoy the season when the offseason sucks so much.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Speaking of the NFL petros I saw on your social media,
you claim that your friend built the Packers new locker room.
Speaker 8 (48:41):
Yeah, that's my friend, my friend Darren Vieira, who was
the captain of a US baseball team. It's an amazing
story because this guy wanted to be an architect, but
he was a really good baseball player and his older brother,
who I knew really well, was a pitch at USC.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
He was more of a position player. Ended up being
the captain.
Speaker 8 (49:05):
But you can't be an architect and play baseball at
USC or any sport because of when the classes are,
you know, how some of that stuff goes. So he
went he became like an English major, went through college.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
And then went to architecture school.
Speaker 8 (49:21):
When he was done at USC and he's built all
k He built an amphitheater in Nashville. He built I
think he's building fixing the redoing Baylor's baseball field by
the by the river there on the strong arms of
the Brasses in Waco.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
He did the RAMS facility in uh. Where is that.
Speaker 8 (49:44):
Woodland Hills And he's doing and he just finished the
Packers locker room. So he's been out in Lambeau a
bunch and sending me videos of like watching a guy,
you know, playing guitar at some beer bar, you know.
But yeah, he's an old friend of mine, very proud
of him. Darren Vieira is his name, and he is
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a Architecture is one of the great arts. And we
have to build better buildings and more and more inspiring buildings,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
Like you look at like.
Speaker 8 (50:17):
Churches and buildings and things they built, you know, in
the last century and before, and there's great inspiration and
human endeavor in those things. And then all of a
sudden they started building like these communist block looking things everywhere,
and it's like, I don't want to live in a
society like that. I want stuff to look cool. Like
it did in the twenties and all these different styles
(50:38):
of building. And uh, there's a great book about architecture
and individual thought by an Rand called The fountain Head
that always reminds me of my friend Darren whenever I
see something new that he's built.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
But yes, thank you for mentioning me.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Well, I mean, anything out here you build is probably
get end up with graffiti on the side of it,
So there's always that time.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
No, No, we're in great shape here in La.
Speaker 8 (51:02):
We only have three like giant, like fifty story zombie
death high rises right that Staple Center is in the
shadow of And we're in great shape because we got
the Olympics come in, and we got the the World
Cup before that, and we got three zombie death towers.
And then you know, every once in a while, like
every night there's a street takeover and somebody's business gets
(51:25):
looted and blown out.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
We're doing good. That sounds like a lot of fun.
Speaker 8 (51:30):
That's awesome out here. Yeah, I guess you didn't drive
out to Vegas, Brady, but you know, on the way
out you can see in prim Nevada that Buffalo Bills
is closed now, Whiskey Petez is closed, Terribles is closed.
You know, there's some real blown out buildings in Vegas,
(51:51):
like toward the state line. And that's pretty much how
we are in LA all the time. Blown out, blown
out and closed and death and post apocalyptic.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Is that how you described the Dodgers at this point
in the year, Patrick, It's not good.
Speaker 8 (52:06):
Yeah, they're not playing well. I mean the four hun
earned runs last night, a bunch of airs. The other night,
Kershaw was, you know, beating the bench with his with
his glove. Uh, it's not good now. I think they're
still in first place, but they're not playing good baseball.
And you know, this happens in a baseball season, has
(52:26):
a lot of ups and downs. But they're they're not
They don't seem like they're on the same page, and
they don't seem to have I don't know where the leadership,
Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman and these guys, they're gonna
have to find some kind of way. But we needed
a little bit too, you know, we have to have
every once in a while, you have to bring out
(52:47):
the panic Brothers and hit the button and get the
fans a little riled up, because otherwise the baseball season
is not.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
Well, we have like we have a we have.
Speaker 8 (52:58):
A sound bite, you know, and you and then there's
like a Pad O'Brien the imitation or padd O'Brien clip.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Where he's like, I'm not parict I'm not pant.
Speaker 8 (53:11):
We would you have to and nobody wants to, Like
you bring people on and they're like, it's gonna be fine.
Don't you remember last year when it was like, yeah,
but that's no fun. We got a panic you know,
we gotta we gotta live for the moment. But uh,
it's getting a little bit worse than the Panic Brothers.
The Dodgers seem to be playing uninspired baseball, which is
not a good thing at any time of the season.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Maybe they're bored, you know, they're just waiting for the
postseason to get here and hopefully things will turn back around.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Well, I mean that's not a good way to look
at it. Yes, agreed.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Well, at least Otani's playing, well, there is that, so
he's he's holding up his end of.
Speaker 8 (53:48):
The bargain and they're buying three hundred dollars jerseys. I
guess that's all that really matters.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Petros always appreciate it. You can get him on X
at the Old p He is the co host of
the Petros and Money Show, where the Panic Brothers can
be heard on the Blowtorch a five day early the
Fox College Football analysts. By the way, speaking of late,
that Washington game is an eight o'clock kick. Yeah, so
you you're gonna be up late for that one.
Speaker 8 (54:14):
There's twenty four hour restaurant at Seattle that's probably closed
and blown out and looted called thirteen Coins. Yeah, I
gotta head over to thirteen Coins after the game.
Speaker 4 (54:27):
I saw Jed Fish last night. He had just gotten
in and I asked him. I said, I.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Said, did you give your players, you know, curfew? He
said no, and I'm like, oh, all right.
Speaker 4 (54:40):
He goes, yeah, but he goes, I did tell them
that if you show up tomorrow there's any news about you.
Speaker 3 (54:45):
He's like, you've ruined your career.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
He's like, if you're dumb enough to do something that
you'll get in trouble for with your one opportunity to
have fun in a place like Las Vegas. So here's
the difference, though, Petros, could you imagine having nil money
at that age like the these kids do now they
actually can go.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
And enjoy themselves.
Speaker 8 (55:03):
Yeah I can't, And no, no, you don't want to
venture there, dude, I know, because none of us would
even be in school because we'd all be thrown out.
You know, do I have nil money on the internet
still exists? Yes, yeah, I'm going back to the mental hospital.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
Petros. We appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.
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