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This week on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, a 3rd and 4th dildo get launched at WNBA games. A special appearance from The Old P, Petros Papadakis to talk USC projections and history lessons. The guys talk about the Louis Riddick's comments about Shedeur Sanders. Plus, stick figure tattoos and much more! 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with LaVar Arrington and Brady Winn and Jonas
Knox on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Not again, not again, huh. I mean, we do have
a special news bulletin again that we've got to get
into right here at the start of the show. It
is two pros and a cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
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to be getting to all of that here coming out
in just a few moments from now, but it is
important that we start out with the big news and
special news, and for that we do have a correspondent
with us here on Fox Sports Radio. No stone unturned
when it comes to the situation that took place last night,

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very troubling but it is time for our special WNBA
news report and bulletin. And over to the news desk
we go where Lee Robert de Lap is with us
to explain the situation.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Mister Delap, guys an ongoing saga now in the WNBA.
We're in two separate incidents. On Tuesday night, what appears
to be another green dildo was thrown on the court at.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
That was the color green? That at first?

Speaker 5 (02:11):
That is correct and green are in the same family, right, Yes,
that is true.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
And I saw that there were bets on this.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
I mean, obviously we talked about the different colors, but
somebody did lay down thirteen to win twenty on just
the fact that there would be a dildo thrown before
the August Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Or were you doing last night throwing dil do? I
will keep my mouth shut on this. I will be
the fifth. I can neither confirm nor deny where I
was last night. I mean it happened in La, right,
one of them. That was one of them.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
One was actually at the at the Barclay Center during
the Liberty Wings game contest, and another at the Crypto.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Dot Com arena.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
That is, in fact, you're in La where the fever
lost one hundred and ninety one to the Sparks.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Sophie Cunningham was in fact hit by this dildo.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
Oh no, not so, no, no, not so Sophie, not
our Sophie.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Hey man, So we got so we got four hair
chairs that have been thrown at w NBA games over
the past week. I mean that's something. Hey, you know
what though, at least they're just what else you got?

Speaker 7 (03:16):
What do you mean? You know what?

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I mean, what else you I don't know.

Speaker 6 (03:20):
I loaded get them all out, don't have anything. Well,
you can't drop it hair chair, hair the rest of them.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I'm just saying, I don't. I'm just trying to figure
out stop whether the rest I don't.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
I just.

Speaker 7 (03:38):
Not ready. I'm going to now.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Just to note here the Liberty Wings game, according to
fans in the stands, there was another sex to allegedly
thrown at the game, but it did not.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Reach the court, didn't make the court. No, we ass
arm boy.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
No, they need to work on their warm You're gonna
get that thing that spiral or it's gonna be endover.
That's there's only two ways to do it. It's a gancer.
Do you try to throw at helicopter. It's not gonna work.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
I'm right now just seeing a dial flattening there here,
It's like, what is that? What?

Speaker 7 (04:20):
He man?

Speaker 5 (04:22):
That's gotta be in slow motion if you see it
going over your head, or.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
That's gotta be the wildest.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
The spiral might be kind of a vibe too, bro like,
kind of look like the one that you know, the
javelin that Lamar threw and revenge of the nerves.

Speaker 7 (04:45):
That would be kind of crazy.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
I mean, just the way my body would feel if
I saw a dildough.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
In the air going over heading into the court.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
So I'm just wondering though, and I'm not saying this
to be funny or to try and make it a joke,
but how if your.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Security like how are you checking? You know what I mean,
how are you checking? Because you could fit that thing
up perfectly where it's non detectable, yeah, you know, which
would make it even more disgusting by the way, that
would be way bore.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's especially if it was a guy. What's that supposed
to mean? How dare you how?

Speaker 6 (05:42):
How are we just describing this this dildo crisis?

Speaker 2 (05:45):
The w NBA is in this uh? Is this a revolt?
Is that what this is.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
It's like they were you know, pa us more whatever
they're sure was And this is the response to the
w NBA players putting more money.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well, I think and this is just a theory, but
you guys know this that if you you know this
from being in locker rooms, no, now, you know this
being in locker rooms or growing up with siblings, that
the second, the second you show them that something bothers them,
you're going to go to that for the rest of
their life. Like you just know that. That's that's the

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way this works. And I wonder if people see how
sensitive the w NBA is to some of the criticism
that they get and are like, oh, we're not gonna
take this serious. Let's just start sneaking in neon green
dildos and throw them onto the court at at a rack.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Okay, so don't take it there. What what message are
you trying to send by using a dildo as your
weapon of choice to throw onto the court, Like, what
message are you trying to send?

Speaker 6 (06:53):
I asked this the other day to you guys. I
think it's a sign of disrespect. I think it's a
sign of like, Okay, you want us to take you
seriously pay you more here.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Or play with that? Yeah, I mean, because that's got
to be misogynistic. Who's ever doing this? It's got to
be a chauvinistic pig who's doing this?

Speaker 6 (07:13):
Right, it couldn't be harder to find its way in
or maybe not, but that's why I was.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
That was that's what made me laugh a little bit earlier,
you know, because I mean if it was yeah, anyway
either way, I mean, both sides could get it in,
you know what I.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Think if we're getting to the point.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
So no, it's not me throwing them. Please.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
I have never thrown a dildough in my life. I
never touched one. I've seen one before.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
I was thinking, though, should the w NBA like lean
into this, you know, I mean, if you think about
the most recent news stories, they should really have like
all the fans wear wigs, you know, and then like
take them off and throw them on the court. You
know that'd be fun. Or you know, bring your dildo
to to the w n B a game night. You know,
everyone's bringing their own way. It's like, well, if everyone's

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got one, you know, it's not like as big of
a deal, right, everybody bubblehead dolls. You just have bubble dildos. No,
no one's I mean you could lean into it.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Hey listen, I'm I'm all for in game promotions. This
is going to be a real, real tough one to figure.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Out, though. It's going to be a tough one to
figure out.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, I mean, so how how can you?

Speaker 5 (08:34):
How do you because there's there's that elephant in the room,
by the way, you know that you know someone look like, w.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Go ahead, Ce, what were you going to say, man? Good?
Well were you going to say?

Speaker 6 (08:51):
Contrary to and Jonas's take that the guy didn't really
get arrested. The guy who threw it that got caught
I think first or second he's raised the three separate charges. Wow,
So there is you know, penalizing these guys in a
serious way, or whoever's doing I shouldn't say guys penalizing
them in a serious way.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
I mean, I wonder do they practice like you?

Speaker 5 (09:17):
You gotta have some there has to be some science
to it, because you don't want to get caught for
one or is it like you look around, you look
around and it's like fast, throw it fast and then
like get back the character.

Speaker 6 (09:29):
Think about how the life of a w NBA security
yard has changed drastically in the past two years. Oh yeah,
like for starters knowing went to the games so you
really didn't have to worry about anything. And then all
of a sudden, Kaitlin Clark goes the league and they
start getting greater attendance and like, ah, shoot, now I've
actually got to like look out and maybe stop a

(09:51):
fight or something here or there.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
And next thing you know, this whole dildo crisis starts happening.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
People are launching these things from all different tas years
of the arena.

Speaker 7 (10:03):
From the top.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Those guys jobs just got exponentially harder.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Do you imagine it dropping from the top of the arena.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
The person who couldn't make it onto the court, you
gotta feel like such a horse's ass. All that trouble
and you couldn't even get in and get it out.
And the first person that gets it to land upright
on the court should be given season tickets.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
I agree they should be a national hero.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I was gonna say so much to try to throw
in the basket, that'd be sweet. Yeah, imagine gets stuck
up in the net. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
I have a theory, by the way, on who this
most the last one that didn't make it to the court.
I've actually profiled who this kid is. Okay, this kid,
I say kid because he's between the ages of fifteen
and thirteen years old, maybe sixteen and thirteen years old.

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And the reason why I'm profiled this kid in this
way is usually you get kids at that age who
are very impressionable, but at the same time they're kind
of followers, they're not leaders.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
So this is someone who's seen it a few times.

Speaker 6 (11:12):
He's going for clout, trying to be cool, and he
doesn't have the arm strength though, to get it to
the actual court. Obviously has no experience throwing dildos, clearly
by way of it not making to the court. So
in this you know, act of cloud chasing, he tries
to toss the thing, has no idea how to toss it,

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and on top of that, maybe it's slicker than he.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Ever imagined around them before. So it ends up short.

Speaker 6 (11:41):
And meanwhile all his friends, all the people who want
to put on social media are get excited about it.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
That's the end of it.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
I mean, how do you hold the dial though, to
throw it? I'm sorry, man, like, are you grabbed?

Speaker 6 (11:58):
You've ever thrown a knife before you can hold it
by the button. You can hold it by the That's
what I'm saying. Are you holding it back? Are you tip?
Are you if you go end over end? You really
want to hold by you know, the the head, you know,
I think that's how you want to hold it because
you want the weight, the weight of the balls to
be able to get it to turn over.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
And see it's like it's like flipping a water bottle.
You got to use the weight if still still remaining
inside the bottle to get the land.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Doesn't make a noise when you try it, Like is it?

Speaker 5 (12:34):
Like?

Speaker 7 (12:37):
Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (12:37):
I mean if you if you got enough revolutions on
that thing, it's gonna make a noise.

Speaker 7 (12:42):
Now.

Speaker 6 (12:42):
The other way is the spiral, which that one you
put on a grab closer to the balls.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
You can't you can't grab it.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
Because but you've got Most people make the mistake of
grabbing in the middle. Like then we have a football
and be like, oh, put my hand in the middle.
It's like no, you gotta grab towards the end. That's
how you spin that thing.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
And then you put the finger on the tip. Right
do you do the because that wouldn't that wouldn't you're
not throwing from that? I know what you're doing.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
Oh god, I'm a proper technique for number five.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Well, I'm trying to five comes around, because wasn't it
was it Tom House who came up with the you
gotta make a C next to your ear when you throw.
Was it was it you who said that you gotta
do this.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
When you throw, you follow your Tom Martinez that was
like the old Tom Martin Martine is in my wedding.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Then you got to follow it through to the bottom
of your nose, follow through, throw it like with that,
and then follow through to your bottom of your nose.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
I don't know what the heck you're talking about. And
these things are like fifty bucks.

Speaker 5 (13:48):
So that's the four. Let's see the form again. Let's
see let's under these under the under the nose. Now
you got to bring it under, you got you gotta
turn it, and you gotta finish what you're throwing with
the elbow to the inside. Okay, and the pinky finger
under the note.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I didn't know. And these things are and you looked
them up the other day. These things are like fifty bucks.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Some of them are. Some of them are like thirteen dollars.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
Yeah, yeah, the range is like I guess it depends
on the functionality of it.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I'd love to know what the increase in sales are.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
I was about to say, bro, I bet you Braziers
is out here like putting a spoof together as we speak.
As we speak one of them, what's the other ones called?
You know what they're called?

Speaker 2 (14:37):
I don't me.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
You live out here? Come on, you used to live
amongst them?

Speaker 7 (14:45):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (14:45):
Look, man, what if a parent was involved, like like
the dad thinks it's so funny.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
He's even like, oh yeah, sudden, let me help you here.
Let's go on. I mean again, a young kid's probably
not going into a hustler.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
You can order those things super easily, though.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yes you could. You have to be eighteen, though, don't
you to order them?

Speaker 4 (15:08):
I don't know. I don't think so. I don't believe that.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
That's well, let's go to our resident expert, uh Lee
Lorena what age?

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, you do have to be eighteen, but I mean
it's the internet.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
You can just told you.

Speaker 8 (15:20):
That the last time I did online shopping for this
type of stuff. I believe it's kind of like when
you go to an online site, they say are you
eighteen or older? Because you can't they can't ask for
your ID, so they have to just ask are you
eighteen year older?

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I can go test it right now though.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
I'm testing it right now as we speak. What are
you looking at? Here's an adult toy right here.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
I want to buy.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
I want to buy it now.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Why why pay the extra money?

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Just get not ask me for.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
I don't think you want that in your algorithm.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
It's not asking me. I mean, I'm just saying, and
I'm just.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
I know the next thing, next thing, you know it
is be popping up everywhere, right. It's like Brady went
through var Brady went through this, uh, this phase where
he was sending me these Instagram clips of people coming
up with crafty ways to flip you off. And I
looked at one and it completely changed my algorithm. People

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doing handstands.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
You don't have to check being eighteen by the way,
you don't know, you don't.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
You don't have to be of age to buy this toy.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
And particularly, the same thing happened to me one time
I got sent a you know a thing in a
group chat, clicked on that next thing, you know every
every you know Instagram video that pops up that the
woman's got big boobs?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
I who said that? Yeah, it's like whoops.

Speaker 6 (16:42):
I could plain it about it, you know, and for
some reason my page still just looks like that everywhere.

Speaker 7 (16:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Oh well, I think, uh, I think this is, you know,
a job well done by our correspondent. Lead to laugh.
Who really uh really? Dug deep?

Speaker 5 (17:06):
You know, like when you wanted don't warrior movies, like
like like a Gladiator what he threw the when he
threw the sword that hit the dude off the horse?

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Like that thing just catch you off guard.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Come out of nowhere.

Speaker 7 (17:20):
By the way, it's you upside to hit.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Somebody's gonna get really creative. You're gonna see dildo nunchucks.
You're gonna see all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 7 (17:27):
Come out now.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Dildo stars, oh yeah, Chinese stars. Oh grow up, everybody
have some respect. Oh god, it is two pros and
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Speaker 4 (17:47):
Who was the leading scorer? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I thought that was the game?

Speaker 7 (17:51):
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Speaker 6 (17:51):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
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Speaker 5 (17:54):
You got me the first time on that one. What
Brittany Hicks be.

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Speaker 2 (18:49):
Normally a Wednesday tradition, but a rare Monday appearance here.
He's the one and only Petros Papadakis. He is the
co host of the Petro Some Money Show, which you
can hear on the Blowtorch and five seventy l a
Sports a Fox College football analyst. You can get them
on x at the Old p Petros.

Speaker 11 (19:10):
Good morning, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, I'm here.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
How was your weekend? That was all right?

Speaker 7 (19:24):
I don't know, like what.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
You do, Petros, you followed the w n b A
for a long time. Do they have a dildo throwing epidemic?
Like what's happening?

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Happening?

Speaker 7 (19:35):
You know earlier years?

Speaker 9 (19:36):
It's not cool anymore. I mean the first dildo okay,
you know the second one?

Speaker 7 (19:42):
Yeah? But now what has it been three?

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Has it?

Speaker 7 (19:46):
I don't thought it wasn't just two.

Speaker 9 (19:47):
Thought it was just two and two and one arrest
right on? That's what supposed Yeah, I mean that's a lot,
you know. I mean, they shouldn't throw stuff. They're athletes,
can You can't throw hard objects onto the court, no
matter how funny it is. It's not okay, we can't
have it. We're going to hurt one of those people.

(20:09):
So it's not it's not right, it's not right.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
What's been a report you've heard out of US training
camp so far? I've seen eighteen is up for the buckets,
and you know the linebacker, the six foot who the
six foot ten lines?

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Everyone up for the buckets at this point.

Speaker 7 (20:25):
Yeah, I mean, I'm up anybody who's gonna play? Is it?
Did you win the buckets I did. That's pretty sweet.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
You know.

Speaker 9 (20:34):
I played football with a Buttess Award winner and I
was proud of that the year before I got it. Yeah,
Chris Claiborne. So very exciting award and a great award.
But we cannot give it out about Gentry. Yeah yeah,
oh the tall guy.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, that's all that he's like.

Speaker 7 (20:49):
Yeah, nine, he's been great.

Speaker 9 (20:51):
I think he transferred from Arizona State, Okay, and he's
been great when he plays, and he's fallen out of
favor with some of their defensive coaches. USC has a
really great defensive coordinator in Deanton Lynn, and I think
that he's a future head coach.

Speaker 7 (21:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (21:12):
If he's going to be able to help Lincoln, who's
on a really, really hot seat. But I think most
people understand that Lincoln Riley, if it wasn't for the
buyout that he had, he'd have been fired after the
last couple of years of performances. So it's a very
interesting year at USC. There's no real buzz about what

(21:35):
the season is going to be like. And one thing
that bothers me a lot when it comes to college football,
and this happened under Sark when he was flailing at USC.
And Lane Kiffen, who eventually was fired on a tarmac.
That's another stupid thing that didn't have to happen that created.

Speaker 7 (21:55):
I mean, you can.

Speaker 9 (21:56):
Fire Lane Kiffen, but why create this whole mythology about
getting fired on a tarmac for everybody from this point
onward in college football.

Speaker 7 (22:06):
That's a big USC stigma.

Speaker 9 (22:08):
Why because one of these donors wanted Lane kiff and
fired on that tarmac and Pat Hayden.

Speaker 7 (22:14):
Went ahead and did it.

Speaker 9 (22:15):
But what people did or said when it came to
those guys, and I know you guys have all heard
about this where they're like, well, look we got to
fire our head coach.

Speaker 7 (22:24):
And then all these people go, but what about the
recruiting class.

Speaker 9 (22:27):
It's like what you know, it's like with kiff and
you know, they were like, well we got to fire
this guy. You know, they just lost a game by
fifty points. What about the recruiting Well, I mean Petros.

Speaker 6 (22:38):
Petros see it from their side, when you're paying these
kids back then illegally, it's like, well, they want to
make sure that money goes the right spot. They will
waste all their money and giving it these kids, you.

Speaker 9 (22:48):
Could still pay me illegally. Just fire the damned coach
and you can still pay them. Losing them, I understand.
But because you have a recruiting class that may or
may not come where four or five guys may contribute
in the next year, and who knows what that number
is now because of the way the transfer portal is
and how everybody wants a more veteran team, and going

(23:10):
the high school route takes a lot of patients from
your fan base, patients that the USC fan base does
not have. I just don't know how anybody's recruiting class
in the future should ever help them when they go
five hundred in a blue blood place or a wanna
be blue blood place like USC.

Speaker 7 (23:32):
So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 9 (23:34):
But when USC has a slow start or whatever, I
think they start the year out with like Missouri State
or something like that. But when or if USC starts
losing big ten games, you're gonna hear that. People are
gonna say, well, we should fire Lincoln Riley, and somebody's gonna.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
Say, what about the recruited club.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
Hey, well, the good thing is sounds like they're getting
this Notre dame USC rivalry figured out.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
I think Pete Bovaco.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
Came out and recently said, hey, they'd be opened to
do it even week one.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, I guess the balls in Southern Cal's court at this.

Speaker 7 (24:08):
Point, I guess.

Speaker 9 (24:10):
I mean they should have never They should not have
been a question whatsoever. It should not have been even
teased that they would change the time of year, because
the time of year for the opposite years between October
and late November at Notre Dame and at USC, respectively.

(24:35):
They should have never even talked about that how it
should be changed, that it should be changed, the fact
that it was ever even a topic, and that anybody
ever brought it up was asinine. And then all of
a sudden, it's something that you're going to be asked
about every time you're in public because Lincoln Riley has
sent mixed messages. Lincoln Riley said the stupidest thing I've
ever heard at the Big ten media day when you

(24:57):
guys were there, and he in an attempt to walk
it back. No, well, I mean in an attempt to
walk back the whole the whole thing. He was like, well,
we got I came here because we're going to play
Notre Name and That's why, you know, before I took
the job, that's what I thought about. But I'll always
do what's best for USC. Yeah, what's best for USC

(25:19):
is for you to resign. Now, you're not gonna do that,
you know, I mean, don't sit there and say that,
you know, I mean, just say say what you really mean.
I don't want to play the rivalry because I'm soft,
But I've gotten so much pushback about it that I'm
going to try to walk this back and get out
of it. And the fact that jen Co and the
USC Athletic director hasn't said anything about it probably lets

(25:42):
you know, not really publicly, probably lets you know that
she was disappointed that Lincoln Riley opened his mouth in
the first place about it, and now they've tried to
walk it back and seem like they're on the same
page or not. Lincoln Riley has as if he has

(26:04):
a choice, has tried to manipulate USC schedule and get
rid of the rope Notre Dame rivalry, or at least
bring questions up about it, which is criminal. He should
have never brought it up. I don't care if he's
even even if he's won eleven games the last four
years that he's been there. He shouldn't bring it up.
He should never bring it up if you coach USC,

(26:25):
you played Notre Dame when USC plays Notre Dame, and
you should shut your mouth about it. And anybody that
says anything else about it is a soft crumb coward.
And I can't take it, and I won't. I won't
discuss it as the when the season starts, I will
not discuss it anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
So well, I'm curious though from usually out here, the
fanboys and fangirls in the media don't really want to
be critical of the local teams. They just don't.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
Yeah, it's a toothless media.

Speaker 9 (26:53):
When the Seattle media is tougher than LA, we have
a real problem.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
And so you and Scott Wolf are basically the only
two that are willing to call out USC for their craft.
We have fine Bob Well, yeah, you mean locally, yeah,
locally well and Colin Coward too.

Speaker 12 (27:11):
It's true, it's true, you know, but what sort of
feedback do you get from people either in and around
the program?

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Are you ostracized?

Speaker 7 (27:22):
Are you is?

Speaker 4 (27:23):
It?

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Just don't even we don't even address that anymore, even
though you postorcize. Yeah, I mean, are you like, what
sort of feedback do you get from people in and
around the program if you guys are always so hard
on the pain about all the flaws that USC has.

Speaker 9 (27:39):
Well, I've told the truth about it for a long time,
and it's not like I was wrong. Us see, after
Pete Carroll and his uh what Pete Carroll did and
how he did it, and the arrogant way in which
it was handled, and the fact that his superiors allowed

(27:59):
it to happen crippled generations of USC football, the sanctions
and all that, and then who they hired to pull
them out of it, which were Pete Carroll's old proxies
Kiffin and Sarkeisian and then ending up hiring Clay Helton,
and the way that they've had athletic directors work not

(28:22):
real administrators. The one administrator that they ended up hiring,
a guy named Mike Bone, seemed like he had a
head injury the whole time he was there.

Speaker 7 (28:32):
You don't even know.

Speaker 9 (28:33):
Yeah, I acted like a complete weird jackass.

Speaker 7 (28:37):
Just was like a caricature of a blowhard old athletic.

Speaker 9 (28:40):
Director, which was really sad because I was just happy
that it wasn't an ex USC football player that they hired,
and now they actually have a real administrator in Jen Cohen.
But it's a real tsunami of no I'm sorry about
the well, I guess the tsunami didn't really send anybody
too much, maybe in Russia, but it was a real

(29:02):
pseudonambie of bad stuff that she's got to deal with.
And a lot of modern college football stuff, modern athletic
department stuff that USC is just they don't just they
just don't seem ready for the twenty first century.

Speaker 7 (29:14):
They were barely ready for things to change.

Speaker 9 (29:21):
The last few times in college football, they've not been
ahead of the crest of the wave like a lot
of programs like Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, people that
are comparable US. He just hasn't been there like that.
And I don't know if it's going to happen anytime soon.
They have this Lake A Riley contract, maybe this guy
wins the buck gist, but other than that, I don't think.

(29:43):
I don't know how much we're going to be talking
about it as far as relevant college football is.

Speaker 7 (29:46):
The year goes on.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
You got a kid by the name of Tamir Robinson
from our school from Penn State. That's a linebacker. Keep
an eye out for him. Kid is super athletic, special kid.
He was under you know, he gots ill at Penn
State last year, but he actually transferred to USC.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
I didn't like it, but kick and ball, So.

Speaker 7 (30:09):
I'm sorry that he transferred.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
Yeah, I didn't like that he left us to especially
to come to a Big ten school. But that is
what it is. But let me ask you this. You
you talked about just kind of like like that momentum
isn't there for USC, But.

Speaker 7 (30:24):
What about the recruits?

Speaker 5 (30:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (30:26):
And the recruits.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
I mean, we just saw Trey Lance have a good,
a good preseason game. I really believe Harball is going
to have the Chargers balling this year. And then you
got Sam or excuse me, Matthew Stafford. His back is sore.
You think this could be a Chargers year in LA.

Speaker 9 (30:47):
That's a great question. Everybody says that every year. And
I'll be a Chargers camp today. Hell yeah, okay, Actually,
so I'll let you know by the way, I will, yeah, please,
after I survey them in camp, LeVar, I'll be able
to tell you whether or not it's you know, I
really will watch practice and make sure they're doing karaoke

(31:09):
correctly and that he'll be able to say, you know,
this is the Chargers year. But it's kind of funny
whether it's their year or not. I mean, last year
they looked a lot different than they had in the
regular season, and then they go to the playoffs and
lose horribly. What was it to Houston and kind of

(31:29):
look exactly like the Chargers look every year in the playlofs.

Speaker 7 (31:33):
So that was disappointing.

Speaker 9 (31:36):
It's kind of funny because Jim Harbaugh, he's such a
football institution, and I don't know how you guys feel
about him because both of you have Big ten kind
of backgrounds where you play Michigan and they're more of
a rival and you're Big Noon and all that. So
Brady's there all the time. But I mean, I covered
Harbaugh when he was at Stanford a lot and got

(31:59):
to know him there. I even got to know him
when he was down at USD. And it's funny. It's
like you'd think that Harball, not that the Chargers are
good or bad or anything, but you'd think that Harball
was like gonna make the Chargers cool. And it's almost
like the Chargers made him a dork.

Speaker 7 (32:18):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (32:19):
Sure, it's just kind of funny to see him in
a Charger gear and just being, you know, doing all
his Harrball stuff. Like it's still kind of surreal to
me that he's he's with the Chargers. He's a great
football coach and his teams have always responded really well
to him, and he's been able to build teams everywhere
he's gone. So to say that they're not going to

(32:40):
have success would be naive. But it is just kind
of funny the way, like just seeing Harball around La
like eating cheetos.

Speaker 7 (32:48):
At like little league games, and he's just like he's like.

Speaker 9 (32:52):
Here and and it's just it's still kind of surreal
to me. And last year the proof was in the putting.
The regular season was so much better. They were such
a physical team and all that, and it was just
year one. So yeah, I would expect them to get better.
I think one of their best defenders got popped for
having a bunch of guns in his car, right, Harryman.

(33:15):
I think he was on his way to the shooting range.
But oh okay, yeah, but he had a bunch of
illegal guns, I believe, so.

Speaker 7 (33:25):
What am I wrong?

Speaker 9 (33:27):
No, I didn't hear that that up in camp? Should
I not play all the wow?

Speaker 6 (33:34):
I recall seeing something about that. I don't recall about
his explanation he was going to the gun range, although
everyone probably should have that as their explanation.

Speaker 9 (33:43):
Wasn't he headed out to the gun range. A lot
of people, like a lot of people in California like
to go out to the middle. I mean, we have
a lot of middle of the nowhere kind of places
in California and of the further east you go, uh,
and a lot of people like to go out in
the middle of nowhere and shoot off guns.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I got a lot of them.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
Yeah, I bought a house just for that, to be
able to do just that.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
I did not know that.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah, I like really, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
You bought a house just to shoot guns.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
Well, I mean it was my house around the house,
it was my house. It was my house. It was
like forty eight acres and so.

Speaker 9 (34:21):
What like instead of turning off the light with your hand,
you just shot shot it out.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
No, not not like that, but it was this in California,
then Maryland, Maryland.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
It was just a place with the koy pon. Yeah,
who is your neighbor.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, did you.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
Ever tell Petros about the coy pon situation? I don't
like talking about it. You love it, I know, but
it's actually really good. Still love my misery of my
like like John No and Juju and and and Creamy
and and orange and yeah, all of them, man like.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
They all that good point called black.

Speaker 7 (34:56):
Yeah, you killed your fish.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
I didn't kill them, Petro, intentionally, I did not.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
They didn't.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
They perished.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
We had that big storm, you remember that great storm
that came through, the hurricane that came through, like it
was like a hurricane slash blizzard that.

Speaker 9 (35:15):
Came through, shot down like a tornado, like sharknado.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
Our power went out and my generator only lasted for
like it was like maybe five days before the It
was something crazy, but we did. We were out of
power for like seven days. It was like a long
ad sign with no power. And my fish started going

(35:40):
belly up like the second day with no power.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
And next thing you.

Speaker 7 (35:44):
Know, they were in like a pond.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Yeah, they're in a pond indoors, So it has to
be the water has to be circulating or they lose
the oxygen. And one thing leads to another and they
and I mean they were big. I raised them from babies.
They were little baby cooys, and they were really really big,
like like probably like the length of your arm, like

(36:09):
really big.

Speaker 9 (36:10):
Well, it reminds me of a few things. Chris Wembers.
You used to have a lake in the back of
his house in the Atlanta area, and he would have
it stocked with fish and he would go out and
fish on it.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Oh sweet, yeah, trout.

Speaker 9 (36:25):
Deal right, So that's you know, that makes me think
of that. And then I thought of LeVar just out
there shooting at his fish, which you'd never do.

Speaker 7 (36:32):
No, since you raised them.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
I wouldn't be shooting at my fish. But the way
my probably you were gone and you.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Came back to the house. No, I found them that way.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
We were in there.

Speaker 7 (36:42):
You just slowly watched them.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
I watched them like I had to like live through
watching do anything.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, I thought you should. I thought, I thought, did you.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Guys create that?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I swear I thought that was the story that you
walked in the house in the smell and smell that's
what you told us initially.

Speaker 7 (36:59):
The other thing is like a lot of jep Show. Up.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
I was there, we were there, We were stranded in
a storm.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
We were snowed in. It was a storm.

Speaker 7 (37:08):
You could consider this LeVar because.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
I mean I might have walked in from a different room.
I mean it was twenty twenty thousand square foot home.

Speaker 7 (37:15):
In Orange County.

Speaker 9 (37:17):
For a time, everybody got like coyfish tattoos.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Yeah, yeah they did.

Speaker 9 (37:22):
Yeah, a lot of people had coyfish tattoos. Maybe in Memoriam.
I don't know how it.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Uh, what was that about?

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 9 (37:28):
It was like a white guy flat bail, like Fox Racing,
like Monster Energy thing. Yeah, those things. Those guys came
with a lot of coyfish. And every once in a while,
like mister choose Asian restaurant or something and Bakersfield will
be robbed of their cooyfish. I'm glad you brought something,
you know what I mean. People do like to steal coyfish.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
Hey, Petros, was I wrong for saying that Confederate flags
are related to NASCAR events?

Speaker 7 (37:56):
Well? You got the general lee right, I mean, but
is that wrong?

Speaker 5 (37:59):
Like I'm saying, you go to a NASCAR event, Confederate
flags are part of NASCAR events that might have beanned them,
but that's still that doesn't mean that they don't want
to have them.

Speaker 7 (38:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (38:11):
I mean, the Confederate flag is interesting. I mean it
represents a lot of different things, a lot of different people.
YEA one interesting fact about the Confederate flag. I believe
it was was designed by Beauregard, who was a Creole
general for the for the Confederates. He was in Charleston.

(38:35):
He made some mistakes, but he was he was in
pretty well, he did, yeah, but he was a pretty
he was a pretty famous general in his time. And
they the first flag they designed for the Confederacy looked
too much like the American flag or the Union flag,
and so the Confederate battle flag looked a lot like

(38:56):
and it was confusing in the early parts of the
Civil War, and there was a lot of confusion anyway,
if you can imagine.

Speaker 11 (39:04):
How loud all that well, they were fighting over confusion,
right well, I mean there's a lot of I mean,
if you can imagine like thirty thousand men in either
army attacking each other in like a giant field.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
You're like, wait, there's our flag.

Speaker 9 (39:17):
Wait right there, smoke and there's like, you know, one
of the most I think the most famous Confederate general
of them all other than Lee, which would be Stonewall Jackson.
He died from friendly fire in the Civil War. Because
there was a lot of confusion. So the first Confederate
flag looked a little bit too much like the other one.

(39:38):
So then the stars and bars he designed and they
were they're more distinctive. And I mean I come from
a time where you know, if we had an old
lineman that was a white guy who was from you know,
the South, well not even the South, just inland like Norco.
You know, they put a flag up and listen to

(40:01):
country music and stuff like that. I don't know if
they really had a perspective on what it meant or
not meant. But as far as being involved with Nascar,
I mean, the the origin of NASCAR is bootlegging, yep, so,
which would be like souping up your car to outrun.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
The cops cops.

Speaker 9 (40:23):
On Southern roads to run moonshine or whiskey or whatever.
And so it's kind of got an outlaw sort of
vibe and a background and definitely a Southern background. So
if it's a Southern outlaw background, yeah, I would say.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
Which is interesting because again, like the educational point there
to that is black dudes was bootlegging too. Black and
white people were bootlegging. It was all about the the
corn liquor. It was about that that shine. It was
about getting that that you know, getting that liquor to
where it needed to get to, you know, and you

(41:03):
get your money if you got it there.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Yes, so it was it was beyond it was green.
That was the color. It wasn't, you know, bootleggers.

Speaker 9 (41:11):
I would say, I mean if LaVar had to uh
if if if LeVar, if you, if you had to
belabor the point, you would say that you'd be most
likely to see a Confederate flag in a masscar event,
perhaps more than an F one or an indie event.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Thank you, thank you. Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 9 (41:31):
Like I don't see all the backs were stopping Dutch
fans waving around the stars and bars and talking about,
you know, the Lost Cause theory.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
That's correct, that is that is an accurate statement there, sir.

Speaker 9 (41:44):
But you could look up Beauregard and they called him
because he was creole, they called him the black General.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
So he was like, sup, perhaps this this flag will
be better.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
So after this war, we need to go get home.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
By the way, pet New Orleans for a time. You
mentioned Stonewall Jackson. If I have this correct, I think
he was one of the I think he invented the
cold shower, the cold tub treatment. That guy used to
in the dead of winter take cold showers to get
ready for battle.

Speaker 9 (42:18):
Stonewall was an interesting guy, a very very religious, almost
like a Zelot, and he was a He was an
artillery instructor at vm I so.

Speaker 7 (42:34):
Once.

Speaker 9 (42:34):
I think they up until maybe ten years ago, they
still had his two cannons.

Speaker 7 (42:41):
I think they're.

Speaker 9 (42:41):
Biblically named there displayed. I think they still might be,
but they still have some Stonewall Jackson stuff at vm I,
and I think his house is a museum.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
See, there's nothing. This is the best, you know, there's nothing.
Petro's doesn't know. We appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (43:02):
I don't know who's gonna win the butters on.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Get him on X at the Old p and we
will do it again next week.

Speaker 7 (43:11):
There he is the great.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Petros Papadakas with us here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 9 (43:16):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 5 (43:26):
Pacific, Camp I, Campa camp I, Campa Brady's, got it,
got that camper, Tell all of them, I get the camp,
break it up, bring it down, Camp By, Campa Brady's,
Campa Briday's, Campa Jonas, Camp d I made love to

(43:48):
a strip of Yes he did. Yeah, first you have to,
she said, I'm not quipon Quipan. They already they say,
Lorena coming, he comes like a stone.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Uh uh huh.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
I bet you Lorraina is a big tipper one hundred percent.
I think that this is now.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
It only takes fourteen singles, that's it. Heck, yeah, what
is that?

Speaker 13 (44:16):
They still come to me?

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Did you they still come to you?

Speaker 7 (44:19):
Dang?

Speaker 2 (44:21):
You worked at a restaurant, right, yes? Yeah, if you've
ever worked at a restaurant, you're a big tipper. You
just kind of know that world. Then there's something she
just said. She rolls with fourteen to a strip club.
I mean, why go in there if you're only going
in there with fourteen singles?

Speaker 5 (44:37):
What?

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Please tell me what the plan is with fourteen singles?

Speaker 13 (44:40):
You find the one strip, give them away, man, and
you give her all fourteen of your.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Ones, like singularly.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, make it rain.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
No, you can't make it rain with fourteen singles the lightings, right, No,
you cannot. What do you mean it's impossible? Well, here's
as Well throws the dimes her.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
Jonas goes and picks them up after he throws them downs. Correct,
you know he's he's breaking them up.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
You know he's picking him up quick. That's that's throwing
it out there. That's the movie.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
Jones throws him at his computer while he's holding the
mouse with his right hand.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
You're right, left hand, you're right, yeah, I'm not good there. Yeah,
you just you throw them up in the air and
then as soon as they go to grab me, just
go he's got a gun. And then you just scoop
them all back.

Speaker 13 (45:24):
Up and you take the first stripper I fell in
love with, who got my fourteen dollars is also tattooed
on my ankle.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
It's very awkward.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Would you say the first stripper you felt that?

Speaker 4 (45:36):
That may be that may be a curly hair, Oh
my god. Anyways, that may not. That may not be
the story we want to hear.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
What do you mean her name or picture or what.

Speaker 13 (45:48):
Like her image? Her likeness in a stick figure stripper.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Yes, she.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
You were so guy you guys extending Nazi. That wasn't
it's it's inspired.

Speaker 7 (45:59):
That was.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Yeah, had a moment. Huh ya had a moment, A
lot of moments. Yeah, memorable moments.

Speaker 13 (46:04):
For fourteen dollars.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
That's crazy, man, cheaper in a movie. I mean, why
couldn't you just round it off to fifteen? Like, why fourteen?
What's the significance of fourteen? I'm just I'm confused.

Speaker 13 (46:19):
That was just what we decided on that night.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
All right, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Okay, that's interesting. I had no clue that was going
to take that turn.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
But yeah, that one threw me off. I ain't gonna lie.
I mean, just when I thought it couldn't get any
more bizarre. Then we go to a tattoo of her
on the ankle. That's uh wow, Well okay, there you go.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah. Let mean, let's see it, right, I mean, have
you posted that on your ig for?

Speaker 7 (46:47):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (46:48):
Uh No, I don't think I have posted my stick
figure stripper. I'll show you guys in the break.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
I think you need to show it to us. Now,
come on, come show it to us. Now, give it a
little une. Come on, let's let's get a.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Look at this.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
Let it is an in segment view of this this
stripper that you fell in love with.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
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right now. She's hiking up get in the middle of

(47:25):
her her bell bottom in between us yoga pants, and
she's trying to show us this. Oh that's tiny. I'll kids, please,
that looks like the Blair witch stick.

Speaker 7 (47:37):
Please.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
That's like you were playing Hangman and you stop midway through.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
It looks like.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Lee did the did the tattoo. So I'll say, you
did not need a tattoo artist for that one, Lorena,
that was one.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Uh don't sell that online? No, no, no, God, So
Brady can see it.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Yeah, No, I'm not please.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
If that's the likeness of the stripper you fell in
love with, I'm I'm just you know, no, I don't.
It looks straight like a witch hair. Yeah, that's not
I mean, yeah, no, I don't buy that one. But
I'm not one that looks like that looks like the
new image that goes on women's bathrooms. That is what

(48:25):
it looks like women enter here. You got to be
more clear with that stuff these days.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah, did you see it? Q? Did you see it?

Speaker 2 (48:36):
I've not seen it.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
You're not seen it. It's not come three.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
I mean, you're not missing much. You're not You're not
missing much. That that that is a very short story.
It's yeah, that's just one of the something that's just
one of the worst things to say that this is
the reason why I got it.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
If you're saying based off.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Of real quick, what age did you get that tattooed?

Speaker 4 (49:00):
And how well was the tattoo artist the same? Maybe
me think?

Speaker 13 (49:03):
Okay, hold on, hold on? Was that it was at
least it was at least eight years ago. Good, it
is at least years ago, And it was I went
to the Fits the Fritz in Anaheim. That's the that's
the strip club I went to, and then I got
the tattoo when I went to Vegas a few months later.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yes, so you were so inspired you waited months.

Speaker 13 (49:25):
Yeah, I had to design what we wanted, so.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
You had to design that.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Please tell me you design.

Speaker 13 (49:30):
And my friend put two different So mine's in one
position on the pole and his is in a different
position on the pole. But same same.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Girl is is in a different position. And uh, yes, I.

Speaker 13 (49:42):
Have matching sticks figure tattoos.

Speaker 7 (49:44):
All right?

Speaker 5 (49:45):
Did you have a relationship with him as well? Was
this like a group thing?

Speaker 12 (49:52):
Group?

Speaker 6 (49:53):
Enough?

Speaker 4 (49:56):
All right, y'all.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Clearly was on on something because is that stick figure?

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Is not it?

Speaker 5 (50:04):
I think she's cute, the stick figure? Yes, that's why
you put it where no one can see that? Bad
boy you?

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Okay? All right, well there we go. Let's let's talk some.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Well, here's what we can see, shad Or Sanders this
weekend in the NFL. All right, Shadoor Sanders getting a
start for the Cleveland Browns. Everybody's excited he'll take on
the Carolina Panthers and uh, people are really fired up
about this. But people are also concerned. Somebody that's concerned

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about the whole situation is one Lewis Riddick of ESPN,
who said this about Shudor's opportunity.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
I'm afraid he's.

Speaker 14 (50:43):
Gonna get on the field in preseason games without a
lot of practice reps, and then they're going to ask
him to perform these heroic tasks in order to prove
that he's worthy of being a starter when he hasn't
had enough rep to really get comfortable. That's the kind
of battle he's dealing with right now.

Speaker 7 (50:57):
I know.

Speaker 14 (50:58):
I've seen it. We've been in these camps. We know
how that goes. You don't get enough reps. They play
a whole half of the game, and then all of
a sudden, coaches are going, why are you making that mistake?
Why aren't you making that check? Well, damn, coach, I
never was in there in practice. You never even talked
to me during practice, But now you expect.

Speaker 7 (51:12):
Me to know. That's what they're gonna expect of him.

Speaker 14 (51:14):
But if anyone can get it done, it's this kid,
because he's been trained the right way. But I'm telling you,
he is ice skating uphill.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
So that is Lewis Riddicko.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
Yeah, this is such a long departure from the truth
and the reality. And what pains me about a take
like this? And I heard this and I literally thought
to myself, it's a lie, Like I want everyone out
there to know that is one of the biggest lies.
It's one of the biggest reasons why people get frustrated

(51:43):
with ESPN's content is because they have people who go
on TV and they say things that literally are not true.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Let's just start off with this fact.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
Has it ever changed for a rookie that he wasn't
gonna get enough reps before or they go into a
preseason game in the history, in the history of the
NFL draft, Like that's always been the case. Like when
you're drafted as a rookie, you never or very seldom,
I would say, what point zero one percent of the time.

(52:15):
Maybe you're like a cam Ward, which even cam Ward
up to a point this offseason, who is the number
one overall pick, was quote unquote battling with Will Levis.
So even he wasn't getting every single rep to prepare
him for the first preseason game. But every single player
isn't getting every single rep to prepare them for every
single scenario.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
And by the way, that's okay.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
Like when you become a backup or if Shoud or
Sanders ends up being the backup, do you think he's
gonna get every single rep in the course of the
season to prepare him for every scenario when he goes
into a game.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
No, that's like part of the job. So I would
look at it this way.

Speaker 6 (52:55):
One, like the scenario he's playing out is such a
long departure from the truth for every single rookie, not
just Shador Sanders, which is what I hate about him
actually saying this on TV at anyone giving it any credibility.
The second thing is Picket's been out with the hamstring injury,
Gabriel's been out with the hamstring injury, Flacco has been

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mixing in with reps. Two, they've all kind of shared reps.
So in reality of all of the quarterback situations, just
because there's a lot of bodies there, it actually doesn't
mean at all that shad Door Sanders hasn't got a
fair amount of reps and all sorts of different types
of situations. The next thing i'd step two is it's preseason.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
Everyone understands that there's going to be mistakes made. Everyone
understands there's gonna be a learning curve, there's gonna be
adjustment to the speed of the game, and there's a
lot that comes along with that. No one comes back
from a preseason game completely chewing guys out. They're trying
to teach, they're trying to get them to learn, they're
trying to see improvement from game one to Game two
to Game three. When they then want have to make

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a decision. It used to be until game four when
a lot of those rookies, young guys got to play
a half of football. You know, they got to play
the two minute drive going into halftime. They got to
do the coming out series in the third quarter where
you make adjustments, you script off some starters to go
with and try to build momentum like that. So, like,
I sit here and I listen to this, and I

(54:21):
go I get people's frustration with ESPN's content because it
feels like they're just throwing stuff out the wall to
say stuff to try to get a reaction. In reality,
it's so far from the truth. And also like talking
about well he's been Yeah, he's played a lot of
college football. He's been a start at Jacksonville State. He's
obviously been a start oft called out of for a

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couple of years. He's got a lot of experience. Like
he's started more games, Okay, he started more games at
this point, if you look at college in comparison or
over the last five years, he started more games than
Trey Lance. Probably go back to his high school days,
he started more games over Anthony Richardson and when he

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started one season at Florida and a handful of games
since then Indianapolis. It's not like he doesn't have actual
starting experience, granted at the college level, but running multiple
offenses in multiple places and being successful doing so, so
like it's almost like he's building this thing up to

(55:24):
protect him for like whatever criticism may come. It's preseason. Yeah,
it's ridiculous. I mean, I'll put it this way. The
first preseason game I ever got into. Do you want
to know when I got to go into the game
fourth quarter, I was running a two minute drill the
entire time, and people were like, Oh, it's because the
hold on everything else.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
You know why I was able to execute.

Speaker 6 (55:42):
I think we went down for like two separate touchdown drives,
did two separate touchdown passes. Because I'd been there for
ots in mini camp. I didn't miss Jack Squat and
Shador's been there for OTAs in mini camp, and Trandy
Camp was just a rehearsal of the same stuff you
already had. So to sit there and say that's an
absolute lie, and he knows it. Like these coaches work

(56:04):
with players, they try to build up players.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
It's entirely different.

Speaker 6 (56:09):
God of the days where you've got these organizations that
bring a guy in or spend a draft pick on them,
and they just push them the wayside. They don't talk
to them. That is such a long departure from how
any cultures build on any team anymore.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
Most guys move with camp.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
During the first game of the preseason year, anyway, you're
looking at the cheerleaders, You're looking into the stands. You're
trying to see what you can see. Did anybody come
to see you so you can see them? So y'all
can see each other and look at each other back
and forth. That's what preseason is really about, especially the
first game, last game. I mean, let's be clear, you're

(56:43):
not going I was being funny though, you're not going
into a game game planning in the first game of
the year. So to even put that type of weight
on it, I would say, this is the one time
where you would say you want to see a rookie
play really well because it's going to be a vanilla

(57:03):
approach to the game. You're going in there generally with
a limited amount of plays that you're going to use,
so you don't open up the playbook as to what
it is you're going to do and what you're going
to be when you get to the regular season. Those
are the things you work on in practice, not in
the game. So it's not even a prepared depth chart.
There's no scouting report, there's no nothing for game one

(57:27):
in preseason, so there's no reason to have put that.
I can understand lewis putting the pressure on it to say, Okay,
this kid is going to be measured and judged at
a different level than any other quarterback that's a rookie
in this situation. Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong. It's
not a horrible assessment. But what I will say is

(57:50):
is to automatically say, well, he hasn't been in position
to be successful. I tend to agree. I think that
is an overstated way of approaching it, because again, for one,
you're not game planning him, so it's not like you're
going to roll coverages and disguise coverages and do certain
things to try to confuse them and bring pressures from

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different spots on the field.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
You're not going to.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
Show those aspects of your defense because you don't want
to put that on film. You do not want an
organization being able to take that and add that to
their scouting report. Okay, when they do this and they
walk him down, they generally are blitzing from here. Oh,
this is a trigger blitz type of situation. I have

(58:37):
the back here, We're going to run an RPO. I
see this. That linebacker is triggered. You know, he's triggering.
He's rushing based off of what the running back is doing.
If you're giving offensive coordinators that type of film and
week one of the preseason, you probably won't have a
coaching job very long. So to me, you come into

(58:59):
the game. You have the opportunity to dink and dunk,
do do vanilla things, maybe even take a chance, you know,
maybe even take a chance and take some risk, because
at the end of the day, if it doesn't go right,
all it is is a practice. It's a glorified practice
against another team. What's the downside?

Speaker 2 (59:17):
A week ago, the conversation was, he's not gonna get
enough opportunities. There's too many guys there he's fourth string,
He's this, he's that. Now a week later, because of injuries,
he's getting a chance to start their first.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
Preseason and you already saying stuff that that justifies if
he doesn't play.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Well, wait, like.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
This is all good. I don't exactly. I don't get it.

Speaker 6 (59:36):
And that's the other thing, like, is he gonna be
more heavily scrutinized than cam Ward who's their starter going
into the season. There really is no other option. Is
he going to be more scrutinized than Tyler Shuck who
they drafted in the second round of New Orleans And
it's either between Spencer rather Jake Canner or Tyler Shuck. No,
because those fans are looking at and being critical of
the guys who are already gonna be thrust it into

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that week one starting role. I mean, Joe Flacco is
not going to play at least not in this preseason game,
maybe not at all this preseasons. Who knows, because it's
gonna be the start of going in to week one,
he's number one the depth chart. Now that's not going
to change. This is really about whether or not Shador
will be second third string depend on how this is
going to work, and so it's all upside. This entire
thing is completely upside for Shador to go in there

(01:00:23):
and play.

Speaker 7 (01:00:23):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
So I just I sit there and I listen to
stuff like this, and I go, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
I get why people are concerned with ESPN acquiring a
lot of the NFL media properties an ESPN red zone
and people saying like they're going to ruin it because
they do like they put people on who have takes
like this that are just factually not true.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
You know, it's interesting to me, and I'll leave it
here at this that you know, Stephen A made the
ridiculous comment and assertion that that Shador Sanders was comparable
in ways to Colin Kaepernick, and I, you know, I
came out said what I had to say about it.
I thought it was a ridiculous assertion and that it

(01:01:04):
shouldn't be comparable. Let the young man play ball. Don't
turn this into like this racial thing where he doesn't
get an opportunity. But when you have moments like these,
when the media drives the narrative home that he's been
set up and he's been put in a position where
he can't succeed, it does kind of take on that

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that feeling of he's.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
Going to be mortared? Is that the right way saying it, Martyred,
that they're.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
Going to put him in a situation where nothing he
does will be him having to be accountable for it.
And so when you look at it, while you're correct
and saying, well, you know, the Shucks and the Ward
should get all of the scrutiny, what's going to happen
is is who's ever starting for Cleveland is going to

(01:01:53):
get all the scrutiny because the scrutiny is connected to
what is happening with Shador Sanders, because it actually grades
out as a more interesting, more polarizing, more clickbait, more
headline grabbing story as to what is the trajectory of

(01:02:14):
Shador Sanders? When are we going to see Shador Sanders?
That's going to be the over I can guarantee you
one of the overwhelmingly strong storylines that will be in
this season will be what is the progress of Shador Sanders?
Where is Shador Sanders?

Speaker 7 (01:02:32):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
All of that pressure now creates the what is Cleveland doing?
How is that starting quarterback playing? What is their record?
What's justified to say that there's now the moment in
time where you have to entertain what you're going to
do with Shador Sanders. I do believe that will be
one of the top three top five storylines all season long.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Have you guys heard anything about Jalen Milroe this offseason?

Speaker 10 (01:02:58):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Really, not sins like since.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Rooking many ca. You know, people were kind of hyping
them up and now you haven't really.

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
Although that being said, have you heard anything about anything
much out in Seattle?

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
It's just but like should like that's all the conversation
is all surrounding Shador Sanders and now you got people
sort of you know, laying the nest down for a
for a soft landing just in case he struggles.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
It's just that's cloud chasing too, right, Like it's cloud Okay, let's.

Speaker 6 (01:03:31):
Let's pull back the curtain. We've worked in TV. We
know how this works. They come up with a list
of topics. I mean, you were in radio right now,
and people will sit there and say, well, what are
we going to talk about?

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
What's going to grab the attention?

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
Like I was just at a college football NFL seminar
for Fox. And one of the things Fox does an
incredible job of is they do surveys. They take a
lot of the data and research behind how people are
consuming their content, whether that's in broadcast television, cable television, digitally.
And what was most fascinating about it is who do

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you think was the most recognized figure in college football
last year?

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Shador Sanders well coach but oh coach? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
by far and away. Now here's the here's the interesting
thing of the survey they took. It was about sixty
four percent of fans that were college football fans could
identify Dan and identify them as called as head coach.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
So as you start to break these.

Speaker 6 (01:04:30):
Things down, you realize that, like, all right, like you know,
people followed them, they saw them, they they had this
kind of idea of of you know, who called out
it was who Shador was because of that really because
of his dad. But I kind of keep going going
back to this, is they're talking about it because it
will grab people's attention because you know, he's recognizable and

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and you know, Shador's recognizable because he's Dion's son. And
and so when you look at how they're creating something
to talk about on TV this time of year when
there's not much to talk about, this stuff gets thrown
in there and then someone takes a passionate take like
that where you're going, dude, this is this completely unnecessary,
and it just it feels like, for some reason, you know,

(01:05:15):
people feel.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Like they need to do this and they don't.

Speaker 6 (01:05:18):
Shador has handled himself with the exception of you know, speeding,
you know, he's handled himself exactly how you'd hoped he
would and settle the right things and done all the
right things. And you know, even for people at issues
with how he conducted himself in Colorado, he it's not
like he was popped for doing you know, bad stuff
off the fields, just because he's got a different way

(01:05:39):
of showcasing his brand and showcasing himself, especially when he
has success.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
So I don't feel like there's any issue there at all.
And it's almost like

Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
People are trying to stir up an issue or create
an issue out of nothing when we haven't even got
to a game yet.