Best of the Week: 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

This week on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Ravens deliver a colossal gag-job vs the Bills on Sunday Night. FOX Sports Rules Analyst Dean Blandino stops by for a weekly breakdown of the biggest controversies including Jalen Carter spitting and what officials have planned for dildos on the field. And The Old P, Petros Papadakis talks dirty play, head-sizing and much more! 

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar airings and rating win and Jonas Knox on radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell are we feeling here on this Monday morning?

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Good man? Good what up?

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Sticks out? What?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
What a game last night?

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Oh? Yeah, that was a game. That was That was
a game.

Speaker 5 (00:33):
What a colossal gag job by the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
It was a little uh yeah, it was a little
gag job.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
That's just especially when it's a team that ended your
season a few months ago and you're like, you know,
we're going to make a statement. They were in total
control of that game, total control, and the fourth quarter
happened and next thing you know, it was just a
comedy of airs for the Baltimore Ravens, who ended up
coming up short again to the Buffalo Bills. But that

(01:02):
was a hell of a game and a hell of
a way to close up the first Sunday in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
Yeah, you know, I thought it was a very very
exciting day outside of the obviously the obvious being the
first real week of NFL football. I just I felt
like coming away from some competitive games, some teams looking like.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Some really good teams that it's still I hate.

Speaker 6 (01:35):
I hate to do this because if it was your
team that came out on top yesterday, I just feel
like this kind of takes away from it a little
bit from me, not from anyone else. You keep it
the way you want to keep it. But it's it's
Week one, and I almost feel as though because of

(01:55):
the way preseason is played and there's not a there's
not a.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Level of.

Speaker 6 (02:06):
I would say game legs, there's not a true level
of game legs or preparation in terms of how you're
going to play that first team because you're really not
sure what these teams are going to come out and
do wrinkle wise and personality wise for the season plays,

(02:29):
you know, so to speak, what is the new trend
that that coaches are going to have within their playbooks.
I think it's a hard week to judge, I really do.
It would be premature and irresponsible for me to say

(02:49):
this is a good team or this isn't a good
team based upon yesterday's results. But at face value, I
thought it was. It was a good opening day for
the NFL for well.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
An example of that was last year Week one, the
Patriots beat the Bengals and New England was awful and
fired their coach and went through that whole circus they
went through and then ultimately hiring Mike Rabels. So you know,
like you just yeah to your point, you look back
at Week one results, you know, in retrospect, and you realize,

(03:25):
all right, what really were we discussing or breaking down
or what really what did that result actually mean?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
The one thing I know is that.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Buffalo and Baltimore, those teams are good, and it feels like,
much like they met last year in the postseason, that
this may be an opportunity to see them play twice
again this year. Josh Allen, the winning side of things,
the quarterback for the Buffalo Bills, the reigning MVP, talked

(03:57):
about the performance afterwards.

Speaker 7 (04:00):
Everybody there, I'm just proud of our team for staying
in it. No one on the sideline blinked, I mean
down fifteen points whenever we were with five six minutes left,
staying with it, Fans leaving, you know, the stadium. You know,
you gotta play this game for sixty minutes. And that's
that's a really good outfit that we just played. And
you know, God willing we we take care of business.
How we're supposed to and how we think we will.

(04:21):
You know, it's probably a team we'll see again. So
you know, they're they're a great lea coach team. Hats
off to them for having a really good game plan.
But you know, gotta were stuck in there and I'm
just proud of our guys.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Why are fans leaving the stadium? So it's the last
year for that stadium. You should enjoy every second you
possibly can. It's not like you're seeing bad football players
out there. There's Hall of famers riddled all over that field.
Why would you want to leave early?

Speaker 2 (04:43):
The hell? Else is going on in Buffalo?

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Some we.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
It's this thing called work that people have to go
to getting that work.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, get a life, you know, get a get a
real job.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
Yep, that's exactly right, that's exactly where so that that happens.
You know that that's a part of things. So if
you could try to beat the traffic, the rush, the
wave out of a game, I get it. You know,
It's it's interesting, you know people, that's a part of

(05:16):
I feel like football culture. You have a you have
a certain demographic or a certain portion of fans, and
I'm not sure why they go to games because you
see them leaving at halftime. Yeah, like literally, like that's
their time to depart. Like we got the first half
in wonderful, we're out. It's weird. I don't know. And

(05:40):
I've seen that. I won't throw any throwing these sets
out there. I won't throw any names out there. But
I literally only go to one football game live, so
y'all can do the math on that. But it's weird
because when I'm going out to go to the suites.
When I'm going to the suites, it's, uh, it's it's

(06:00):
interesting how many people I see the partying the game
while I'm heading out and back in.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
To go to the suites.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
But and I thought it was like maybe, like is
this a coincidence? And then now this is like, you know,
the next week, and it's like, no, it's still a
very very large Russia people who are leaving the stadium
at halftime. It's kind of or maybe they're leaving the
Goteil gate and they are they allow re entrance.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
No I don't, and that's funny. Yeah, And so I'm
glad that any of those Bills fans that wanted to
walk away from Game one with like I mentioned Hall
of Famers everywhere, final year of that stadium, with all
the great players that have been through. I'm glad they
walked up back to the front gate and they were like,
you can take a walk back to where you came from.

(06:45):
You're not a real member of Bill's mafia. You phony ass.
I love it, love it, Hi, good morning.

Speaker 8 (06:53):
What I'd say about that is this was probably those
might be the best game we see all season, at
least in the regular season. Yeah, it had literally everything
you're looking for.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
The star power.

Speaker 8 (07:04):
You know, you obviously have two guys who've been League
MVPs who were searching for Super Bowls. You had defenses
that at times stepped up. You had running games that
at times were dominant. I mean, I think most people
probably thought after the long Derek Henry run that thing
was over. But then you've got, you know the advantage
of just I would say luck, like like luck played

(07:26):
a factor too. I mean, you can't tell me it's
not luck. When you get a tipball like that that
goes to Keon Cole when he catches it to help
them get back into the game. Where Derrick Henry, who
has had you know, one of his best nights of
his career and then fumbles you know, you know, in
their own territory with three minutes left. There's just there's
so many things that went into that. Even the story

(07:46):
of the kicker who hits the kick. Matt Prater just
signed there this week, he just signed there. The whole
thing is like as good of a story as you
could write. And it's week one Sunday Night football. It
was phenomenal. I thought the day of games in general
were actually really really good, very competitive, very tight games.

(08:09):
You know, Washington, New York. The score looked more out
of hand than it actually was. I mean the Giants obviously,
you know, had an opportunity to make it a one
score the game they're late, had a couple of opportunities really,
But all in all, I mean, just an incredible day
of football in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
And what what a night man that was.

Speaker 8 (08:26):
That was unbelievable, Like that was one of the craziest
endings and turnarounds. I do have a bone to pick though,
at some point about some decision making by Sean mcdert, though.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Well, let's say, what's the what's the issue?

Speaker 8 (08:41):
So two times this happened in the game, and it
made zero sense to me. I was talking to a
buddy when they did it the first time. But the
Bills went down fifteen, and this was in the third
quarter of the first time they went for two. And
there's probably some people out there who are gonna try
to make an analytical argument, but to me, at that
point the third quarter, you could probably say, you can

(09:02):
go for two, you can kick pat. It doesn't matter
quite as much because what they did in that in
that instance was they went for two.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
They didn't get it. Now that puts you down nine, it's.

Speaker 8 (09:13):
Two possessions later, after that long Derek Henry run, they'
down forty to twenty five. The next touchdown they get
kick the pat. Why because you don't want to be
down two possessions. You don't know if you're gonna get
the ball back, how many possessions you have left. I
would have applied the same logic in the third quarter
that I did in the fourth quarter if I'm Sean McDermott,

(09:35):
because of how that game's going like that.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
That was a game where if.

Speaker 8 (09:40):
I'm like especially a defensive minded head coach, I don't
know how many more times I'm gonna get the ball
back and how many more times all get the ball
back without them throwing out another score. I mean, at
that moment in the third quarter, it felt like it
was kind of a shootout and the Buffalo was really
gonna have to make some big time defensive changes. I
do have one more grape too way about this game,

(10:02):
but that for some reason it bothered me because well, no,
like you shouldn't change your decision making to extend it
to like a point where you have to have a
couple more possessions. You assume you're gonna get the ball
back a couple more times, but you can't make the
assumption that you know, uh, Baltimore is canna only have
forty points, like they're not going to score in one

(10:24):
of those possessions. So I hated that decision making. The
last thing I'll just say is this and this LeVar
you can chime in on. When Derek Henry starts going off,
Chris Collins Hath said something that I'm sit there thinking, like.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Chris, you know this isn't true, Like why are you
saying this?

Speaker 8 (10:41):
He's like, well, you know, Buffalo's trying to adjust to
a too high safety look just to get two guys
taking angles that Derek Henry to stop him.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
You know, he's being so dominant.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
I saw I heard that.

Speaker 8 (10:52):
I was like, Bro, you know that's not why a
team would like in no way shape or would a
team ever play. You could say, oh, they're playing cover four,
so the safety is a part of that, you know,
getting into attack of the run.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Dude, they're playing nickel. They had nickel, they had Dine package.

Speaker 8 (11:09):
Out there, like they needed to play more base personnel,
which they did in the second half because you bring
an additional linebacker. Like, if there's any adjustment that the
Bills needed to make or should have made earlier, was hey, man,
we've got you know, we've got some guys that we
feel like can maybe match up when Baltimore goes to
their sub personnel three wide receiver sets. We're just gonna

(11:31):
have to play base personnel and use three linebackers versus
their three wide receiver sets and make Lamar say, all right,
you've got a match up the pass game.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Take that instead of just.

Speaker 8 (11:41):
Handing it off to Derrick Henry letting him run all
over us. But in no way shape or for me,
you sitting there saying we're gonna pay a too high
shell to stop Derrick Henry running the football, Like, if anything,
you put an extra body down the line on the
line of scrimmage and it's post high, or you're playing
zero coverage where there's no safety help and you're trying
to get everyone you can up around the line of
scrimmage to stop Derrick Henry before he gets started. It

(12:04):
was one of the most insane comments that I've ever
heard made by a guy who I respect, I love
listening to. He's done a phenomenal job throughout his career,
but it was it was some of the worst commentating
I've heard regards to you know, what the Bills are
trying to do to stop Derrick Henry.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
I mean it's.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
You're not husing a too high for stopping the run.
I mean you when you have, in fact, again the
way the way they were getting through the first and
second wave of of tacklers, I mean, too high doesn't
even really matter. I mean, you got first, first wave,
second wave of defenders, you got the D line, you

(12:48):
got the linebackers, you got the secondary guys. I mean,
by the time a second secondary guy is going to
get to Derrick Henry, that's already, you know, eight to
nine yards. You know, he's already past the second second
level of the defense. So yeah, I don't I don't think.
I don't see that per se. And generally speaking, when

(13:08):
you have some safety, did you hear this? I did
hear it. I did hear I didn't give it too much.
I just was like, you know, I did kind of
go like what, But I didn't give it any more
thought than like, like what.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
You know?

Speaker 5 (13:22):
But Sean McDermot, Chris collins Worth, it's week one for everybody.
You know, maybe they'll work through this stuff as the
season goes on.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
I just listen.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
When you have that second safety, generally the front side
safety is.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Alway, he's back anyway.

Speaker 6 (13:38):
It's the backside safety that is going to be the
backside plug field gap player. So whether you have a
single high or not, generally speaking, if it's a single high,
you you probably you do have another guy that's out
and coverage, versus having another guy that might be inside
the run length like what is considered to be the

(14:01):
I guess the box, but they're off the ball unless
you've shifted and brought that safety down, which would possibly
give you an extra backer.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Closer to the run if in theory.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
You know, you looked at it that way, but listen
the way the way Derek was getting through that first
level and to the second level. Yeah, it's not that
that was not That was not the problem. The problem
was is that the Bills offensive line was doing an
amazing job of ceiling and opening those run lanes. Both

(14:35):
Baltimore excuse me, Baltimore, Well Bills were too, but Baltimore's
old line was doing Both old lines were doing a
great job of getting to their spots and opening up
run lanes for for guys to be able to get
into them. And you know, when you have that, that's
going to be difficult. But to your point, why you

(14:56):
you know you were joking about it. It's being week one.
You know, that's probably something that once these guys do
get their real game legs under them, that it most
likely will be a little bit more difficult to be
able to create those type of run lanes. Possibly, possibly
these old lines could just be really that good and

(15:16):
be able to hook and and turn guys the way
they want to turn them. But I found out to
be pretty interesting, Like, man, these offensive linemen are literally
on some of the plays, they were getting a hold
of these defensive linemen and they were turning them back
inside like they didn't even reach them. They got a
hold of them and made it into a reach block.

(15:38):
And I'm sitting there like, man, I ain't never seen
nothing like that, Like, I don't, I don't, that's not
that's not common to see that. But they were manhandling
one another out there. So made it a pretty cool
game to watch.

Speaker 8 (15:52):
Is it fair to say this is a preview of the
NFC Championships? A two I I number one weekend it.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
Home so and you know they I thought about this too.
How many times do we talk about, well, you know
the NBA or some of these other sports have a
seven games. Give me a seven game series between the
Bills and the Ravens. Please let me watch this over
and over again. I want to see it as many
times as possible. I'd rather watch that game than virtually
any other matchup in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Give me those reasons.

Speaker 8 (16:20):
You never get that same sort of intensity, that same
sort of environment that for every single game, because you
know it's a best a seven series Like that's what
makes football unique, That's what makes the sudden death playoffs
in the NFL unique, That's what makes it great. If
you're a Bills fan that left, like sorry about it,
you can't come back for Game two, Game three, and
game four, like that's it. You get one shot at it,

(16:42):
that's got it. I couldn't disagree more like, that's what
I think I love about football in comparison to the NBA,
to a lot of other leagues and great a different sports,
but still that's what makes it awesome in my.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Mind, is you get one shot at this, that's it.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
The Ravens have got to be kicking themselves just thinking
that team ended our season last year in a really
close game and a Mark Andrews drop on a two
point conversion, and then we have this opportunity.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
We've got a.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Two score lead, everything's going our way, and it was,
like we said earlier, a comedy of airs that led
to them losing.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
The Lamar put his hands on one of the fans.
I mean, you know, he was letting y'all know this
was real. You know this ain't for fake.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
This for real out here.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
You know when Slam tests out here.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
You know, I did find it interesting.

Speaker 8 (17:28):
Collinsworth had to bring up the Mark Andrews drop and
he's going, you know, you know what, He'll forget about that.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Never, It'll be with him forever. He's just gonna play
with it.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
I was like, damn, I don't know about that.

Speaker 8 (17:41):
It's like, I mean, he might think if they never
win a Super Bowl, he might think about that. Yeah,
I might stick with them, but under the way he
put it, it's like stick with them forever, we'll never
forget about that.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
It's rough.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
I will say this too quickly.

Speaker 8 (18:00):
I feel like maybe they got away a little bit
from you know, involving Lamar Jackson in the run game
the way they could have and kind of dictated that.
I just it's so hard, like going back to the
Derek Henry success, which it's unfortunate he fumbles, you know,
in that moment, which ultimately kind of led to the
comeback because he had such a great game. But it's

(18:22):
a numbers count. So the two I shell thing. The
reality is you don't have enough bodies down around the
line of scrimmage to stop Derick Henry before he gets started.
And that's the reality of any big back like him.
If you think of safety ten yards away is gonna
be able to stop Derrick Henry, You're out of your
damn mind.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
I mean, you want.

Speaker 8 (18:43):
To get to him in the backfield or around line
of scrimmage, or one or two yards deep before he
starts hitting that nineteen miles per hour he was clocked
at going last night like that dude running twenty miles
an hour almost, You're not stopping him.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
You had no shot, so you kind of have to.

Speaker 8 (19:00):
And the problem is is if you combine Lamar Jackson
and Derek Henry's ability both run the football, in order
to properly account for every run gap and properly account
for both is you have to play zero coverage. There's
no other way defensively for you to be able to
stop that rushing attack, which leaves everyone vultable because now

(19:21):
it's man to man, there's no safety help. And Lamar
Jackson is a former MVP, was good enough to dice
you up from the pocket. So I know, Baltimore lost.
I'd say you're Baltimore Ravens fan, You're fine. I mean
Zay Flowers, the way he's stepped up the playmaking ability,
Hopkins arguably had made the greatest catch we'll see all year.
I mean, this team is loaded and I think they're

(19:43):
gonna be able to be right back in the AFC
Championship Game. I just I sit there and like wonder,
like is watching both those teams, you felt like, Okay,
they looked maybe they're just further ahead of everyone else,
but they look better than Casey, they look better than Chargers,
they look better than the Bengals. I don't know who
who else you're throwing the AFC in that picture, but
they look like a level above everyone else in the AFC.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
Yeah, I'm not gonna get carried away. That's that's all
I'm gonna say. Week one. I just you could look
better than what you are, or you could not look
as good as you're gonna be.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I just that's to me.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
That's the first thing that was my first conclusion is
coming away with I'm not going like, yes, they looked good,
and there were a couple of teams that actually looked good,
and I'm not willing to say they're good. I just
I'm not And I guess I just gotta wait and see.

(20:40):
It's wait and see for me.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Super Bowl Ravens. I got the Ravens, winn't it.

Speaker 8 (20:47):
So you're not trying to sticks damn right, you're not
trying to get too excited about, you know, how good
they looked with exception of.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
They look good. But you know, I assume they're going
to look good. I assume they're going to be good.
I assume, but Buffalo is going to look good. I
assume Buffalo is going to be good. I'm just not
willing to confirm or or just really really go all in, like, yep,
they look like that. They are the teams. I think

(21:15):
they're good because personnel wise, they're a really good team.
But I don't know, like Pittsburgh. No, No, something got
caught my throat a little.

Speaker 8 (21:23):
Bit, said, sounds like something hiccups or maybe yeah, something
a little like like I don't like maybe like that morning,
you know that morning, like.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
You could least that. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
But anyway, I know the air is different here in
Pennsylvania this time of the year, differently, right, Yeah, I'm there, Yeah,
because I go to all the games and so instead
of just flying right out and then flying right back,
I got some things I have to do.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
And hey, I'll to tay you this much. A little disappointed.

Speaker 8 (21:55):
I know they pitched to shut out you know, scored
three some points but they didn't cover all right.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
Us It's almost like, in my mind looking at it,
not not.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
To just really pivot so quickly.

Speaker 6 (22:10):
It was like they didn't want to show anything and
they were so vanilla so early that it was like,
are you like, are we doing ball control here?

Speaker 3 (22:19):
You know, like let's give them some let's give the
fans some.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
Excitement, like like let's go ahead and like let's do it.
Let's let's get up and then be a little bit
more conservative. But I don't know, I you know, I
reserved my judgments on that. They did end up pulling away,
but it was a very very slow start.

Speaker 8 (22:43):
Super you think they're saving it because they've got I mean,
they're not going to show anything versus Villanova next week,
but then they've got a bye in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Then they got in that white out. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
I mean, that's like I said, coming into week one,
and I don't know if you were on to hear this,
but coming into week one, I think that's what a
lot out of NFL teams had to deal with with
one another. We don't really know from the preseason what
you're going to get. You know, you get to know
the personnel, but you don't really get to know what
the plays, what, what the trends, what what the new formations,

(23:14):
what the new wrinkles, what what those are going to be.
Everybody has to start getting that on film and then
you're going to start to see who's who and what's what.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Baltimore, Yeah, one one to bet they're pretty damn good.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
I mean, I don't disagree. I don't disagree, but it'll
be better games, I would assume, or at least you're
going to. I'm not going to say better games because
they were. There were some really good games yesterday. Just
I think there's going to be a different there's going
to be different outcomes for different teams moving forward.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
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Speaker 3 (24:00):
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(24:31):
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Speaker 5 (24:41):
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Speaker 4 (25:01):
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Speaker 2 (25:01):
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somewhere in that range.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah right, don't say that, dude, don't say that.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Dean Controller is famous.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
You know the what was it, Yeah right, the Xbox Xbox. Yeah,
there you go, to Xbox Controller. There you go, Dean.
I want to lead off with all.

Speaker 8 (25:24):
What I think everyone's like wants to know is what
exactly happened that Dallas Cowboys does.

Speaker 9 (25:32):
Well, you know, it wasn't. There was a lot of spitting.
You know, I'm just just saying, I don't know, it's
it's it's crazy, kind.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
Of like dak is what you're saying.

Speaker 9 (25:43):
I get you, yet exactly, I.

Speaker 8 (25:46):
Guess I'll seriously segue into that. In your mind, did
it warrant a suspension or she excuse me, an ejection
because I felt like the ref really didn't know the
full deal of what was going on there.

Speaker 9 (26:02):
Yeah, you know, at least in my experience, there's really
been three automatics in terms of ejections, and it's it's
like something involved with like out you know, non football,
right fighting, you punch somebody, kick somebody, stomp, you know
that type of thing. Intentional contact with an official and spitting.

(26:23):
It's just always been and the officials have the leeway.
The rulebook talks about personal fouls and all that and
fifteen yard penalties, but if it's flagrant, it can be
an ejection. And then spinning has always been, when you
talk about on sportsmanlike considered flagrant because you just somebody
spits on you. That's like utmost disrespect. And what happens

(26:44):
after that, they're kind of you know, it escalates. So
you know the official, Yeah, you can get into did
Dak instigate it? That whole deal, But I think in
a vacuum, there's no quot look jailing Carter spit on back,
official saw it. It's pretty pretty standard procedure that point
that he's got.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
To go, what's the worst you've seen that you've witnessed?
Like this is I can't believe I just watched that.

Speaker 9 (27:07):
Oh I don't, you know, it's yeah, I remember some
of those like the one. It wasn't the worst, but
I remember Steelers spangles playoffs when with Joey Porter getting
in the getting in the huddle, and then there was
a whole big thing, you know, uh, you know, we

(27:28):
we had who was great by the way, but we
had Endomik and Sue come in. You know, remember he
he had a little thing, you know, he had maybe
a little little little temper issue, but he was, you know,
stomping on guys. And he actually came into the league
office and we met and I went through the plays
and he was so like you just thoughtful and went

(27:51):
through it all and and it was just like, this
is the guy that's out there, you know, killing people.
But you know there's been some over the years, but
you know before my time. I mean, there's always the
famous one one h who was at Green Bay when
he when he got the quarterback who was man, that's
right then he just I mean that that happened today.

(28:14):
Could you imagine what the suspension would be.

Speaker 6 (28:17):
Yeah, that's right, And that's pretty interesting to think about.
Let me ask you you this, Dean, I mean, coming
into this weekend, this week's UH round of games. Obviously
you know the Eagles played before the weekend, but the
touch push is still legal. It's still able to be

(28:39):
used and was used, and it was used by multiple teams,
which I found to be very interesting.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
What what was your stance on it?

Speaker 6 (28:47):
And what's your take on do you think that this
is since it got shot down to not be removed
this past offseason? Is it is it just a play
that's here to stay or do you see it becoming
more of a safety issue. Haven't seen any or heard
of any real major injuries taking place, But what what
was your stance on it?

Speaker 9 (29:06):
Yeah, I mean person. I don't love the play just
there's so many it's it's a hard play to officiate,
you know, you see that, it's just so many bodies
you're trying to find the ball. I don't think it
necessarily Legals do it. Great, Great for them, it's within
the rules. But this, this had been illegal forever, you know,

(29:26):
prior to you know, or early early two thousands. I
mean that that was two thousand and five, two thousand
and six. It had been illegal because it's just you
think about, think about from a defensive side of the ball, right,
if you if you if you hit the hit the
running back and you stack them up and you drive
him backward, right, you're not gonna you're not gonna lose.
They're not gonna lose all those yards. Right, You're gonna

(29:47):
get forward progress. But on the offensive side, we're gonna, okay,
we're going to allow the offense to gain that advantage
and push them maybe three, four five yards whatever it is.
So I don't love to play. I don't think. Look,
there's no injury data that says that it's a more
dangerous play than other short yardage plays. I do know
the health and safety people at the League Office don't
love it, and they kind of feel like there is

(30:09):
there is a risk for for head and neck injuries
and other things like that. I think at this point
it's gonna probably two things. Maybe if you don't win
a Super Bowl, then there were I know there were
a lot of teams that didn't want to vote it
out last year because it would have felt like sour grapes.
You know, they're really good at it. They won the
Super Bowl. I think if there's a if there's a

(30:30):
you know, knock on wood. Hopefully there isn't, but if
there's like a catastrophic injury, I think that it'll come
up again. I think the conversation will we'll we'll kick
up again and they'll start talking about it well.

Speaker 8 (30:41):
And that's like my issue with it is it feels
like the NFL is always reactionary and instead of you know,
being proactive about like getting rid of something that it
looks like a rugby play, Like, let's be honest, and
if you look at the injuries that.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Occurrent rugby, it's mostly neck injuries.

Speaker 8 (30:59):
People think that because they don't wear helmets, that like
it's a lot of head injuries, it's mostly neck because
of the way you know that they then do in
those scrums, the way they use their body. You know,
they don't put their head into a tackle oftentimes because
you know of again not having helmets to do so,
so it ends up being the neck that takes the
brunt of it. I want to transition though to the

(31:20):
kickoff rule because we've seen a huge uptick in kickoff returns,
so clearly, you know, giving a team of the ball
in the thirty five is having its impact. But when
they made this change, did they ever look at just
saying let's just move back the kicker to.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Kick off the ball.

Speaker 9 (31:39):
Yeah, they did. They looked at two things, so I
think year one they didn't know what it was going
to you know, what the numbers are going to be,
Where it's the drive start going to go to, how's
it going to impact scoring? And then most importantly, what
are the injury date they're going to look like? It
was all positive, right, Scoring was up, right, The drive
start went from like the twenty five to almost the thirty.

(32:00):
Touchdowns were off field goals were off points per per game,
points per drive that was all up, and the injury
data was it was the lowest, but twenty twenty four
was the fewest concussions they've had, you know, ever that
you know, in recent memories, since they've been really recording
them the way they're doing now. So they said, okay,
we're going to make it permanent and let's let's increase

(32:21):
the returns. So with the two things, they said, move
the kicker back to the thirty and or move the
touch back to the thirty five, and they decided to
just go with the touchback. And you know, through week
one it's over seventy percent. That's a that's a huge jump.
I mean, that's that's back to the numbers back in
the day when the kick return was was a big

(32:42):
part of the game. So, you know, I think they'll see,
you know, look at it another year and if they
want to the numbers are all positive, maybe they keep
it as is or but the thirty was definitely in
the conversation, but they decided not to do it this year.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
It's Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
I was just gonna mention on the kickoff.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
It seems like every off season we're having a discussion
about a new tweak or change to the kickoff. Do
you and I hope they never get rid of it,
because I think it's how you start games. I think
it's it is football to me, that's how you know
a game is about to go, it's about to kick off.
Could you ever envision a world, though, to where they
just say, yeah, you know, what.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (33:23):
How much do we really need this and let's just
let's go ahead and just move on from it. Do
you think that that that's been kicked around or is
there been discussions about do you just get rid of
it altogether? I hope that never happens. But could you
see the league overreacting to a point to where they
make that move?

Speaker 9 (33:38):
Well, it was getting close prior to this change, it
really was. There was a lot of people that were
just like, hey, the injuries, it's it's so much higher
than other plays, you know, play some scrimmage things like that,
So let's just put the ball in twenty five and
go or pick a pick a yard line and go.
But I think with this change, and this was a

(33:59):
drastic chase, I mean think about it. This is like
people look at this. I mean, we did this in
the XFL. I was a part of that back in
twenty twenty and it's different. I mean, and so there
was some you know, some kind of hesitation in terms
of do we want to make this type of change.
But to your point, Jonas, it's like they wanted to
save the play ultimately because it is it's part of

(34:20):
the fabric of the game. I mean, we used kickoff
all the time as NFL kickoff, and that's how the
game starts. And the most exciting play I ever saw live,
one of the most exciting plays was with Devin Hester
returning the opening kickoff in the Super Bowl. I mean
that's and so I think ultimately they wanted to save
the play. And I think this has I can't see

(34:41):
where the injuries are. I can't see it, you know,
all of a sudden, just going going to a level
where the health and safety and then people get together
and say we got to get rid of it. So
I think they have saved the play.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
Dan, you watch the games from a different level, a
different understanding. I wonder what what were you seeing during
the games that you know you put into your notes like, oh,
that's something to focus in on, that's something to discuss
that maybe us that don't have the same eye of

(35:15):
looking at the game the way you're looking at it
would would be able to see.

Speaker 9 (35:21):
Yeah for me, you know, I always and I think
you guys probably know this as well. Like the first
couple of weeks. It's a football not great like like
and I think not great meaning no, I mean, you're right,
you know when you're when you're talking about how when
we get into like we gate nine. Now, now this

(35:42):
is like we're playing NFL football and everybody's kind of
everybody's kind of you know, firing on all cylinders. But
it's like nobody plays in the preseason, right, so and
it's and so what see you're going You see a
lot of like formation stuff, You see a lot of
pre snat penalties and things like that, and they things
they got to clean it up. I mean I did.

(36:02):
We did the Washington Giants game on Sunday, and there
was just a lot of stuff that that you know,
these guys aren't playing together as much. You know, practice
is practice, but you can't simulate that that that real
game feel and speed and everything else. So it's just
you know, and last year was was there were there
were six pre snap penalty like formations and false starts

(36:24):
and offside those types of things six per game, which
was the most since two thousand and five. So it's
it's just cleaning that stuff up. So you notice a
lot of it, and some of it is just officials
don't don't call. So even for the officials, you kind
of they're not in mid season form. So it's just
like that that side the first couple of weeks. It's

(36:45):
just almost like extended preseasons.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
M a serious question.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
Nope, sorry, good no, no, I just say I totally
agree with that, but go go to you.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
It's a serious questions one that I think needs to
be answered. We're seeing a lot of dildo is being
thrown on the courts. I mean, at what point, Dean
is is this thing to get out of hand? Someone
gets struck by one, or like what's the punishment? How
is that going to handle this?

Speaker 8 (37:13):
Are the officials who's supposed to pick it up? Do
you pick it up by the end? Like which end
you pick it up?

Speaker 9 (37:18):
I always know when Brady says this is a serious question,
how unseious it's going to be. But there is there
is a there is a dedicated official on each crew
that is responsible for the dildo. It's not it's not
the same position per crew. They'll they'll dedicate whoever it is, like, Okay,
you know, Tony, it's you today, and uh and yeah,

(37:40):
I mean to me, I think you pick it up
by the shaft. I think that's just means that's.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
A good point. That's a good point.

Speaker 9 (37:48):
If you're going to throw it to you know, whoever
it is, the ball, the ball boy, whoever it is.
You know, no pun intended. You want to just you
want to just you know, kind of.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Get the shaft boy.

Speaker 9 (37:58):
Now, oh god, exactly you brought it up right.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
Oh no, I mean, Dean, do you do you look
at somebody differently if they volunteer to be the guy
to go pick up the dildo on the curve?

Speaker 9 (38:11):
Yeah? You definitely, you definitely like those guys are like,
you know, the crew, the officials are. Those crews travel
together every week and they're together that that's like your family,
you know, your extended family. So you start to learn
things about people, what they do behind closed doors. And
sometimes it's not pretty.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
I told you we have a lot of fun to
get them on a.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
Does that ever travel to to the NFL Hall of
Fame as as like, you know, first object of its
kind to to venture onto the field.

Speaker 9 (38:44):
It's yeah, I mean, it's we're seeing it. I think
the w n b A had a little problem more
so than the NFL. But man, it's I don't know
what the who goes to a game and brings a dilda.
It's like I got my like, you got your you
got your right, you got your you know that you
got the BUILDO yea, we can't forget that.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
What a wild time to be alive.

Speaker 8 (39:08):
Huh, oh my god, you're the best. I had some
other questions for you, but we don't have enough time.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
So he is Dean Blandino, Fox Sports, NFL and College
Football rules analyst, always appreciate, uh, a few minutes of
your time.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
It's going to be a fun ride this year, Dean.

Speaker 8 (39:25):
Thanks man, you got it, guys, sir, question I said,
I said, hey, when if you want to come on,
just know we're gonna ask a few questions about the
rules and then we don't want we don't want our
listeners to get like bored, so we're gonna have some fun.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six a m.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Eastern three am Pacific.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
So we do have traditions here on this show, and
one of those involves this man.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
He's the old p on X.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
He is Petros, Papa Vegas, the co host of the
Petros and Money Show, which you can hear on the
Blowtorch AM five seven e LA Sports Fox College Football Analyst.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Good morning, p How are you?

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Good morning to you? Good morning everybody. I'm okay. There
he is there he is, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello hello,
almost like a Timmy be impression. Petros. Oh, the toad
tapping Timmy B. That's right, that's right, the one only
you know how the toe top? I think that's his. Uh,
that was his nickname back in the day.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
I'm just saying, do you know how to toe?

Speaker 4 (40:34):
Petros? How do you get that nickname? No, I don't believe.
I believe because he has nervous legs.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Nervous legs, Petros, Yes, I'm here. Do you seem like
when you were a player you were kind of.

Speaker 6 (40:50):
Like tough, hard nose, nasty, you know, like fight you
and all that good stuff. You know, scratch you try
to get the upper hand. Would you, I mean, would
you have happened to ever have uh let one go
out of your mouth into another player at any point
time and you're.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
No, no, no, I wasn't a Saturday day. No, I
mean not purposely. You know. I am a mouth breather,
or I was for me, I'm trying not to be.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
But I'm a mouth breather too for something.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Yeah, and my tongue is too big for my mouth, and.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, I think so your big tongue, you big tongue, dude, like.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Big and flaccid, and uh so my tongue. Yes, my
tongue is too big for my mouth. And I'm a
mouth breather. And I I have a lisp, which is
a little bit odd for a radio personality. But uh

(41:49):
so all of those things lead to me spinning when
I talk, but not on purpose.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
I always had a hard time talking much on the
football field with the mouthpiece in and just being able
to watch you do sound like when you try to talk. Sure,
you know like that.

Speaker 6 (42:05):
So the spin going for so long, like you know,
I haven't won a spit was going down your chin
like I don't.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Know, like I'm just I am, I'm very It's been
a long, long time since I played football, and I
still work in football, and I'm around football, and I
am expected to talk about football at the drop of
a hat at all times. But I think that, I mean,

(42:32):
I remember.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Now, what's that You're into other things now?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Though?

Speaker 4 (42:36):
Well, I mean it's been twenty you know, twenty eight
years or something, twenty five years since I looked through
a face mask, So I mean that's a corner, imagine,
corner of a century. So I will say this. When
I got done playing football and got into the media,
I really felt like I was just an old football

(42:56):
player acting like a media member or put on a facade.
And then after a few years of that, I felt
like a media member acting like an ex football player
whenever anybody asked me about what the right things to
do were as far as a football player goes. But yes,
it's it's it's good to remember.

Speaker 6 (43:16):
And you went and shame somebody and tell them that
you know you never played, You would you wouldn't do that.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
I mean, what the way some people talk about the
sport having never played is obvious, I guess, but I
don't think it's nice or prudent to point out on
a panel show or or or really anywhere. I mean,
because that line got very blurred. I mean, there used

(43:46):
to be a time where analysts analyzed because they were
ex players or coaches, and the play by play people
didn't do as much analysis, And now everybody does analysis.
You can be a football analyst just showing up, and
I guess it's the same thing for me. I mean
when am I a short yardage tailback and I'm talking
about all kinds of other stuff in football because I'm

(44:08):
a quote unquote football analyst. So it's yeah, it's it's
a very blurry line in today's day and age, and
it's changed a lot since I got done playing. But
I never I've never respected when somebody sits there and says, well,
that guy sucks, and it's like, okay, well, being a

(44:29):
second string quarterback on an NFL football team, that guy
doesn't suck. The circumstance of football, I think, and how
many moving parts and how many people are out there,
and what's actually happening and the reason behind everything, and
most importantly, whatever level you're at, if you're out there
with the helmet on, just how quickly things happen out there,

(44:53):
Things happen out there in literally the blink of an eye,
and you can either be right or wrong. But people
will analyze what happened in the blink of an eye
for hours and hours and sit there and think about
it and say, well, you should have done this, you
should have done that, without really realizing the just the

(45:14):
fleeting nature of the moment and just how bad things
can go in a very very short time as a player.
And then people will sit back and say, well, this, this,
this and this and this, and it's it's that that
part of it is a little bit disconcerting, I guess,
and we're talking about non players and players just how

(45:37):
quickly things happen out there. And then the other thing
that people I don't think understand is, and it's very
hard to wrap your head around unless you are an
ex player or been in a facility and watch people
come and go and and live that life like football
players do or coaches, is that the circumstantial nature of
football is probably the biggest It's kind of like, Okay,

(46:03):
there's a defense out there with guys like LeVar, and
as the new word to call guys like LeVar on
defense is creatures, you know, they had some real creatures
on that side. Of the ball, and there's all kinds
of people that are really tough as hell, but nobody
out there hits harder than the ground. The thing that

(46:24):
cancusses everybody most of the time is the ground. I
mean not to say that that's happens every time, but
nobody really talks about that. And it's kind of the
same thing with circumstance and football. Circumstance is most of
the time the biggest dictator of what actually happens ness.

(46:45):
You can be a diligent person and live your life
and persevere and fight through it, and football is full
of great stories like that. But since you're asking me
a philosophical question, I'll give you more of a philosophical answer.
I've seen so many players, as I know you guys
have even more that were better than the guys that

(47:05):
were celebrated and great, but because of something in life
a girlfriend grades problems, inability to overcome something, we never
saw them featured like they should have been as great players,
just because that's how it is. Sometimes the best football
players most of us have ever seen didn't play that much,

(47:26):
or there's a reason something happened. You know, they got
hurt badly and things of that nature. Quarterbacks get picked somewhere,
and if they would have got picked somewhere else, they
would have had a fifteen year career somewhere if they
if they got picked this place, it was like a
two year career, and now they work at enterprise renta car,
which could have very easily happened to Brady Quinn. I

(47:47):
mean Brady Brady, Tom Brady, So I mean Brady Quinn
athletic specimen.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
You know, he was graft.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
But so I think that's one thing that maybe escapes
the non players of the world. And of course I'm
not talking about Pete Schrager, who we know and used
to work with at Fox, but the non players of
the world. I think the circumstance of football sometimes escapes
people and they think, well, this guy's a great football player.
He's obviously going to have an NFL career. It's not

(48:18):
that way, and I think most of us that have
been inside the sport have seen it not work out
for so many people, and we understand why, and that
is a little bit I think that's it just is
not logical, it's not linear for people to understand. Sports.
Fans are people that looking at a football team from
the outside and and they don't understand the abstract nature

(48:42):
of Wow, look at all these weird little plinko chips
that had to fall for this guy's career to go
this way. It's maybe it's a little too weird of
an answer.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
I'm surprised that there was such an uproar over it, Like,
and I understand Ryan, Well, I think it's just that guy.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
You know, that guy says something people off every week
and then he has to come back and apologize.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
I look at it like this.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
And we were talking about a little bit earlier, and
I told them, like, if they were to ever, if
Brady or LeVar were ever to.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Say, hey, you didn't play the game, you wouldn't know.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
I wouldn't be offended by it. It's true, Like, there
are elements of that that I don't.

Speaker 10 (49:17):
Know and I will never be you played line a thousand, Oh,
it wouldn't that you guys didn't have a complex blocking. No, No,
I did not play line maybe one time in pri
but I just unnecessary.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
I wouldn't know.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I wouldn't but I wouldn't know.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
I thought he was I thought he was a tackle. No,
definitely not.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
Yeah, yeah, tackle all the way, but.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
On the perimeter.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah yeah, sorry, man.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
All right, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
I just I think that the problem is I think
that the problem is people more so in my position
and who either didn't play or played just at a
high school level and nothing beyond, are really sensitive to
that part of the argument because there is no response
to it.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
You're right, I didn't play.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
Like there's an element of football at the college and
NFL level that you guys know that nobody listening outside
of people who did it will know.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
And there's some people that just get really offended.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
By that Adam unnecessary flex.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
I think a big part of Adam Matt yes, and
and and in the moment, it was super unnecessary and
very disrespectful. And obviously that guy has got his own
brand going and he makes a lot of money doing
it wearing that broach, So go do your thing. I
guess he showed up at a friend of mine's funeral,
so that was nice of him. But other than that,

(50:47):
I do think that people football has always been an
outside in sport, right, no matter what you do, even
if you are an ex football player, even if you're
Joe Montana, Yes, you can show up and analyze a game.
But unless you're really in somebody's facility and you really
know why they're doing there's a reason people do everything

(51:09):
on the football field. There's a reason every play is called.
There's a reason everybody's out there one reason or another.
There's always a reason. It might not be a good reason,
it might not have worked out, it might have looked
really bad after they called the play, or whatever, what
have you, But there's always a reason. And unless you're

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in somebody's building and in their meetings all week and
all that, the truth is you really don't know. So
most of us are just kind of guessing in that
regard and giving educated guesses based on your experience, based
on your meetings, based on what the coaches have told you.
But sometimes that reasoning is not the truth, and sometimes

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it doesn't work out. So that part of it is
a mystery. And I think, what, there's never been more
interest in the sport of football ever, but there's never
been less understanding of what it's like to play and
what the people that play are like and the sacrifices

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that they make. Now, why is this? Why is there
more interest? And twenty four hour shows with Mina chimes
telling you what's going on with the South Korean flag
behind her and her set? You know. I mean, there's
so much, there's so much analysis, fantasy football shows, everybody
with their hot takes, the new YouTube channel on two

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Pros and a cup of Joe comment, tell us if
you like our takes, you know. So there's never been
more interest, But I do think it's a very it's
a weird irony because there's never been more interest, but
there's never been less understanding. Right. It felt like when
I was younger, people that were interested in football understood

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the sport more. So why don't they understand the sport
like they used to in a personal way? And I
think it's because a video games of Madden and stuff
like that, where the players never get tired, things of
that nature. Fantasy football, which is a fantasy You're not
picking a team, you're picking individual players in a team sport.

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From what I understand, I do a lot of fantasy
football commercials, but I've never actually done fantasy football ever,
So I think that helps dehumanize it. The fact that
most players are faceless. You know, we know what Tom
Brady looks like, but beyond that, you know, you know
what Joe Burrow looks like and Josh Allen maybe, but

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most players in the league are not very identifiable by
their face, and that's because guys wear helmets. So I
think that there's and all of these shows that just
kind of talk about it without really knowing about it
or without really digging into the human side of it.
I think that we we've kind of lost touch of
the person inside the pads in some regard, other than

(54:08):
knowing what arch Manning looks like when he's going to
the bathroom. Yeah. On that note, did you see the
clip of him throwing yes, yeah, yeah, I did. It
look like he was wincing in pain. I don't know,
I you know, I mean people cover the team, you know,
it's I think that I think that he went out

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and had the game he had against Ohio State. We
talked about it, and there's going to be scrutiny, you know,
probably through September, and we'll see how you know, That's
that's how it goes. If you play great in your
first game, everybody's on top of you. If you don't
play so good, then everybody's on top of you in
a different way. So here's the thing. Is there was
a rumor that he was playing.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
A little bit banged up.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
I remember that, and I reached out to someone I know.

Speaker 8 (54:54):
He said, yeah, he's been taking like fifty percent of
the snaps in practice. So that's all they would say.
I don't know the extent of what's going on. Clearly
they want to keep it, you know, behind closed doors.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
I don't know what you know, you're going to the bathroom.
Do you what if we ever cross paths and that
did that clip?

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Clip?

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Yeah? I saw the clip. But that's why I'm asking
the wind clip, the Sarks clip.

Speaker 8 (55:21):
Yes, Petri, we played it yesterday. Okay, good, we've got
We wanted us to play it again for you.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
No, I just I wanted. I just I didn't know
that you saw the clip. I thought you might laugh
or something. Go ahead and make it.

Speaker 8 (55:31):
You know, this is this is why I'm asking you,
because you know Sark and it feels like you got
a little cagey about people asking about the health of
Arch Manning, when in reality, I don't know any of
the quarterbacks who throw a football, And as soon as
the bulls getting ready to leave their hand, they're already
making a face like this.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Hurts, Well, I don't know what you look like when
you go to the bathroom. Okay, moving on, I mean,
I mean I didn't understand the answer, you know, I didn't.
You know, Hey, it looks like your quarterback was in
pain there. Did he tell you that? Well, no, but
you know it kind of looks like that, and he
sort of threw it like uncle Rico, I don't know
what you look like when you go.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
To the bathroom. He did defensive there.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
I think deep down, people that know Steve Sarkisian know
that he has a bad temper and that he will
mother He's not as bad as he used to be,
but he will mother f anybody's mother. You saw him
freak out against that guy in the tunnel. That was
just the get back TV production guy that you know

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was trying to like talk on a headset and hold
a team back. And next thing you know, sarks like
barking in this face.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
Was he was he more enjoyable to be around when
he was drinking on the sidelines?

Speaker 4 (56:48):
Well, I do remember, I don't know if he was
ever drinking. I will say this, the stories about Steve
Sarkisian at Washington make whatever happened at USC look like
a trip to Disneyland. Really yeah, And that's why when
he left I don't know if I've ever said that
on Arab, but when he left Washington, the people at

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Washington like through a party, They're like, you're kidding me.
USC hired this train wreck out from under US, and
now we get to go hire Chris Peterson and we
can't believe our good fortune. I mean, that was really
the vibe in Seattle, overwhelmingly, and it lasted quite some time.
And you know what, it reminds me a little bit,

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guys of USC. You know how USC has played what
Missouri State and Georgia Southern and they've scored like two
hundred points and they're flexing on social media and everybody's
all geeked up and all that. It reminds me of
twenty fifteen when Steve Sarkisian had USSE and everybody's talking

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about how talented they were and how many weapons they had.
And in the first game, I think they played Idaho
State and put up a bunch of points. In the
second game, they played Arkansas State and put up a
bunch of points, and everybody was saying, Wow, this USC team,
they're a sleeper and blah blah blah, and then Christian

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McCaffrey came to the coliseum and ran all over him.
And then the Chris Peterson team, with a freshman quarterback
named Jake Browning and a freshman running back named Miles
Gaskin came down on a Thursday night or a Friday,
I think it was Thursday night and beat USC. And
then two days later Sarkesian had an episode of some
kind of was fire. So it reminds me a little

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bit about USC this year, you know, playing a couple
of very very undermanned opponents at home, and now all
of a sudden, you're going to go to Purdue. I
don't know how good Purdue is, but conference road games
are hard, and conference first road game of the year
that is a conference game is especially hard. So it

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does remind me a little bit of that. But was
sark more fun? Yes, you know. We would have him
come out to radio shows and people be like, I
can't believe it. He hung out all night with us,
and it's like, yeah, great, you know, and maybe now
you look back, it's not so great, not such a
great thing. But I will say this, I never walked
into the bathroom to see what he looked like. I
took pictures of whate who's going to the bathroom? Right?

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So what.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
I did want to ask you this because in the
NFL they've adjusted the kickoff yet again, and you'd, being
an old school football fan yourself, somebody who partook in
the kickoff. The fact that we're seeing an uptick in
kickoff returns and the plays all of a sudden alive again,
it's got to warm your heart a little bit as
a throwback football fan.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
No, I don't know. I mean, does the NFL are
we talking about the NFL? Yeah? Yeah, Does the NFL
kickoff still look weird to you guys?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Yes, yeah it doesn't look but at least fort.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
Tow, Yeah it does look weird. But yeah, it looks
like less people are being exploded, like you know, like
by a mortar it used to be. But uh but yeah,
I don't, you know, I don't. The kickoff to me
is kind of a wash. I was on the kickoff
team and the kickoff return team. I was the wedge
and the wedge breaker, and I mean, I hate to

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admit it, but I would just pray that our game
was like nothing nothing, so all I had to do
was do it twice, you know, and uh, you know
at halftime at the wedge buster, Yeah, I just wanted
to do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
It too, and then I would go to over to wedge.

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
If you was in the wedge when I was coming
to get it, Petros you but.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
What if I was holding hands? But if I was
holding hands with the guy next to me, then we
would be I was.

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
I was coming after every last one of y'all. I
came after every single person that was in that way age.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
The worst part about you kickoff is that you have
like forty seconds. Used to have like thirty seconds to think,
not that long, you know, but a long enough thirty
yards to like run down and listen to your pads
click and clack, to just think about it, like why
am I doing this? Why am I running this fast
to this kind of destruction? But here I am.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
I was grunting.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
I was grunting and trying to pick up as much
speed as I could to hit y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
That's what I was doing the whole way down.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
And I do have to say unload. I don't think.
I don't know if I know. Brady played a little
some linebacker at the high school level. But I don't know.
I don't know if you did that. He's got a
good head for it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
But thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
But I didn't know. I mean, the first I heard
that arch Manning could have been beat up. It was
two weeks ago when we were your head he's projecting.
I don't know, Brady. I think we should do honest
size hat you wear. Let's let's you know what. It's
not just the hat bra you were eight. I've seen it.

(01:02:05):
I do not feel like I put a bucket on
my head, don't you, Bruce bochy me. I'm you right now.
My head might be tall, might be big on the top,
but your head comes down around the bottom like a horse.

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But Brady was the first person to mention that arch
Manning could have some shoulder problems to me when we
were on the air two weeks ago, you know, because
of course you guys were all up there and all that,
and uh, and so I that was the first I
heard of it. So when I saw him throw the
ball and WinCE like you said, uh, I was not
as surprised as maybe some others because I had heard

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it from from you here ju Bro's and a cup
of Joe.

Speaker 8 (01:03:00):
Ask you quickly, just the transfer portal. Why do they
complicate this and make it so hard?

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
I think the corner system versus the semester system. I
think a lot of the reason that college football is
so weird and so great is because all of these
places are so different. I mean, you're asking Stanford to
play in the same world as Arizona State, you know,
same league for a while, you know, and you walk

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on campus in those places and they're just you know,
Northwestern and Alabama. You know, you walk around and they're
just so dramatically different. And pro football, I don't think
is like that. You know, pro football, anybody's game and
anybody's facility could really be anything. Places have personality and
teams have personality, but it's not just so entrenched in

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the past and tradition and the area and the personality
of those colleges dictate the sport in a way. So
everybody goes to college at a different time. Everybody has
I mean, we just expect everybody to be in the
same pot, which is awesome, but I think it also
makes it complicated. It's unfortunate. I think, not just the portal,

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but once the season starts, you don't want to talk
about it too much, and you don't want to talk
about you know, this team's in il as, this compared
to this and that, like Gundhy and Dan Lanning were
doing it last week. And now that we have games
and everybody understands that everybody's getting paid, let's just play
the games and celebrate our sport. Because the offseason is

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too long and filled with too much bs. But why
do they make it complicated? Because everything in college football
is complicated and stupid.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
It is Petros. We always appreciate what game you got
this weekend?

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
I have I got to go to Logan, Utah. You
guys ever been to Logan No, no insurance to anybody? Yeah,
you've been here Utah no Logan. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:04:58):
I feel like you drive by Logan to go to
to be provo.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
I don't think so. I've been to promo. I've been
to promo. I've done games. I've never been to Utah State.
I've done games, but I've never been there. I've been
to Salt Lake City a bunch of times, obviously to
see the utes and Kyle Winningham's team. He's never not
been the coach.

Speaker 9 (01:05:21):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Since I've been to Salt Lake and then uh, Provo
obviously is BYU. But I've never been to Logan, which
is supposed to be a nice place, so it's not.
You know, they're people in Utah. Everything seems like relatively
close to Salt Lake City. It's not like, uh, everything's
like forty minutes in some direction.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
They got you back on the road again.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Nice this week, I am yet next week I don't
know if I will be all right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Well, we appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
Air force versus Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Yeah, date you love, and they'll be watching that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
And uh, by the way, you will not opposite. It's
the opposite direction of Provo. It is north. Yeah, it's not.
It's not. I have no idea about the geography in Utah. Well,
i'll send you a photo, Brady, thank you. I gotta
be fair. I don't know either me. Hey, make sure
you trying to fig your big head. Your big head
in there, right, We'll see if they let me on

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the plane with it, they might make me check it.
Your thick tongue ass act like your head's not big, Brady, Fine,
I didn't go look at the not true. It's not
true what they say. Hey, go to the bucket store.
I get yourself a hat. They're a bucket store around here.

(01:06:35):
I'll help you get your head dry.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
Get him on hecks at the old P. Petro is
here on Box More Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Oh my gosh.