November 8, 2025 • 57 mins
Jonas Knox, LaVar Arrington, and Brady Quinn explain why there was no need for Dan Quinn to apologize for Jayden Daniels suffering a severe injury in Week 9. The guys give their thoughts on all the action of the NFL trade deadline, highlighting the big moves from the Cowboys and Colts. Plus, the guys pick the biggest NFL games of Week 10 against the spread.
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Speaker 3 (00:48):
All right, So.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
We talked a little bit yesterday about the Jaden Daniels injury,
the dislocated elbow. He's out indefinitely, and the u S
afterwards was about, you know, why was he in the
game at that point, and you know, should he been
taken out of the game earlier with it being such
a wipeout and risking his health, et cetera, et cetera. Well,
(01:11):
Dan Quinn, the Commander's head coach, UH spoke yesterday and
accepted responsibility for that decision.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I know many of you have been asking about the
thought process of Jaden being in the game in that situation.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I get that.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I've been thinking about honestly NonStop too. And you know,
for me, the answer is, Man, I missed it, but
I would you know, I'll fill you on my thought process.
At the start of the fourth core, I guess it
was probably like twelve and a half minutes left in
the game, and that was gonna be the last drive
for a couple of guys Jayden and Zach and Debo
and LT and so we're gonna have any read run
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plays and meaning no carries, you know for the quarterback
on a run. And honestly, man, that's where I missed it.
Of course he could scramble.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
It's Jaden.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
It's what he's special at. And that is one hundred
percent that's on me.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
So that's what he's specialized scrambling. Well, yeah, to me,
that's the bigger that's the bigger point of all of this.
You don't need to take the blame for a player
that got injured doing what they're special at doing what
am I And I get the conventional wisdom of saying, Okay,
(02:20):
the game's out of reach, like pull your starters out.
I get that, but he didn't. He played his starters like.
It's always going to be an easy point of reference
and contention if something like this happens. Like, but I mean,
the man's a coach. He's got to coach his team.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
And so so let me ask you this because this
was kind of what like went through my head watching it.
And then even though as you talked a little bit
about yesterday, we didn't have time to fully discuss, just discuss,
but we talk about taking out your starters. You can
only take out so many like we do this in
preseason two. Will react like, oh, yeah, the backups are
all in. Well, okay, your roster size is a bit
bigger then, But once you get to the regular season.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Dude, you dressed forty six. You can't pull everyone.
Speaker 7 (03:02):
There's not some sort of whole change like all the
backups are in, Like, you don't dress that many guys.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
So I do wonder as a head coach when you look.
Speaker 7 (03:11):
At where Washington's been, where they've struggled offensively, and some
people had said, well, maybe there's the thought of trying
to get them into a rhythm, or maybe there's the
thought of just trying to get him one decent series,
get a touchdown, and try to get something going out
of that game because they played so poorly. But I
also wonder, like in the locker room, you got other
starters who are going to sit in there and have
to battle and have to finish.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Out the game.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
Yeah, hu, Like, how do you view it, like if
your starter comes out, how does your mindset change? Because now,
as a defender, like, there's probably not many chance, like
many opportunities where you're sitting there thinking to yourself, I
need to protect myself to make sure I get out
of this game healthy, because clearly we're throwing in the
white towel, but I'm still out here.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
You're told to fight for sixty minutes, you're told to
lock in and dial in. If we were to look
around the league we talked about last week prior to
this one, how how not non competitive these games were
and teams were getting beat by multiple possessions. How many
(04:15):
of those quarterbacks finished the game. You know, it's so
easy to stop and flash a big light on, oh
my gosh, this coach left their player in. He ends
up getting hurt. What are you doing? You should have
pulled him out? Like, look around the league. How many
quarterbacks that had two possession games, two possession leads, you know,
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deficits that they had to overcome, finished out the game.
I don't think we need to even overthink it, the
idea of saying, oh, you should have pulled them, you
should have pulled him, Like it's season.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
We're in season. He's playing the game and he hasn't
played that much.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
I don't even care if he hasn't If anything, if
he hasn't played that much, I'm be like, Okay, maybe
he's tired. Let me give him, let me give him
a play count, because he could be tired, let me
inch him back in.
Speaker 8 (05:09):
But if he's up and.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Running and he's full go, why would you, as a
coach even give that too much thought of We're going
from whistle to whistle for four quarters. It's the regular season,
it's not preseason. So why do why do I have
to be scrutinized? I mean, you get why scrutinized. It's
(05:31):
the profession, it's part of it. But you don't have
you didn't have anybody else coming out in rage. Oh
my gosh, they had the starter in at the end
of the game and they weren't. They clearly had no
chance of winning the game.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, remember it was Carson Wentz last week who defended
the Vikings and defended Kevin O'Connell and them and said, no,
they did not. This is not on them. I wanted
to stay in the game. I knew what the risk
that comes along with this. It was my choice to
stay in. I was in pain and basically defended the
organization because there were some people who are like, well, man,
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he's clearly in pain. Why is he still out there?
And then he ends up having season ending surgery, you
know the a few days later. The part that bugs
me about this, and I'm not surprised to.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Say what My next point was, I hope you say
what I think it is good, well and say it
with your chest. Well, yeah, it's not going to be
what I'm pretty sure I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Dan Quinn basically caved to the soft narrative that was
put out because of Jaden Daniels injury. Like, I don't
like the fact that dan Quinn had to come out.
And I'm not surprised because I know he's a stand
up guy and he's a good dude. But the fact
that he came out and accepted responsibility for a quarterback
getting injured in an NFL game, why, because people were asking, well,
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what is he still doing in there? Well, he hasn't
played that much. They're trying to get some sort of
a rhythm on offense. I know it's a blowout, but
he's got to get some reps and he's gotta he's
got to get back into the swing of things somehow.
Marshawn Lattimore LeVar brought this up yesterday he tore his
a cl I mean, is that dan Quinn's fault too,
like it is our guys getting injured in the fourth
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quarter of games that are out of reach. Is that
the coach's fault because they get injured or is that
just the fact that it's football. It's it's basic sanction
violence and you're gonna fall and land awkwardly from time
to time and bad things are going to happen. The
fact that dan Quinn had to come out and apologize
and accept respond or take responsibility. I think it's a
bad look and I think it kind of presents him
(07:33):
as a Hey, if you uh, if you talk loud
enough and you uh and you make enough noise, he's
going to cave to the narratives out there and have
to speak on it.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Outre Can I ask you guys, one serious question. Absolutely
not okay, never mind rum skin Okay. Why is there
no scrutiny on the decision making of Jaydon Daniels in
this situation the game is out of reach? Yeah, you
clearly cannot win the game. That's that's the narrative that
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that is driving the outrage and the backlash of the
decision making of the head coach because.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
If he doesn't play hard, then he gets the Cam
Newton treatment and he never lives down the fashion.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
So if he throws the ball away, I'm if he
if he throws the ball away or hands the ball off,
because if I recall my recollection from what dan Quinn said,
it was usually he hands the ball off in this
situation or throws it to the flat. So if it's
throwing it to the flat, he can easily throw it away.
(08:39):
It's garbage time, hand the ball off. I don't care
if you lose five yards running hand the hand the
ball off.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
I get it, like I understand what you're saying, and
I think that comes with playing more and like time
in the League of maturity, where there's a saying like
live to play the next down, because you will not
survive if you keep trying to play outside the pocket
for so many plays. Eventually you'll get hurt, either via
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a hit or either via just unfortunate unluck, you know,
not being lucky enough to be able to get down
or side, whatever the case is. Bad things happen outside
the pocket. In the pocket, enough bad things happen, but
at least you're protected, so defenders know, and they have
to let up to some degree, and they have to
hit you a certain way to some you know, so
it changes. But eventually that comes. The hard thing about
(09:33):
what you're saying, LeVar is you don't want to take
out that competitiveness in him. And again he hasn't played
that much, so there's an element two of him wanting
to get back out there and play the way he's
accustomed to. So it's it's complicated. You can see it
from both sides, But I do hate the fact.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
That upset at No. I don't know, and I'm not
I'm not attacked Jaydeon Daniels for it.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
All I'm saying is is if it was clearly important
enough for Jaydon Daniels to scramble and pull the ball
down in that minute in his mind to create what
he was going to create, what do people have a
problem for, Like, I haven't heard one person really sit
there and be like, why do he pull the ball
down and start scrambling. It's not that it's his fault,
(10:25):
it's you don't have to come up with justification.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
He was doing his job.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
It's nobody's fault he was doing it.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
It's just football. It's what I said yesterday. It's it's football.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
We can dissect this whole decision from Dan Quinn, from
Jane Daniels.
Speaker 9 (10:41):
It's football. Correct injuries happened, correct injuries are gonna happen,
and that's unfortunate that it happened. It was grotesque, it
was upsetting to watch it take place. It's your franchise, guy.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
I get it. But if that, like we said, you
said Marshaun Lattimore, if.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
That was any other player on that field doesn't get
this type of attention, Does it get this type of
vitriol coming back from it?
Speaker 8 (11:06):
If that's the case, and then you'll wonder why.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
The culture is And then you heard Dak Prescott touching
on it because they're one of those types of franchises
that that's the way the media covers like. People may
not understand this because they may be so far removed
from the old days, but the media was actually supposed
to be your conduit to market, advertise and promote the product.
(11:32):
These guys used to go out after games, smoke jacks together,
drink beers together. Sometimes you drank too much, I'll drop
you off. Hey, get say hi to the wife by
first name.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
Get them in.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Maybe it's the local police officer. He drops both of
you off. You guys are at the local pub having
some pops after the freaking game, and y'all had a relationship.
Speaker 8 (11:56):
There was an unwritten.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Rule that relationship between the media and the players and
the organizations was imperative to the health of the sport
of the game. Not to tear them down, Not to
look for these angles that are so polarizing and just
so sensationalized that you're actually destroying. You're destroying the reputation
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of the coach, You're destroying the reputation of the organization.
Speaker 8 (12:27):
Apologize, that's not what this is for. You know what
they should have been saying.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
This is a team that was one game away from
getting to the super Bowl the year before.
Speaker 8 (12:36):
The Clearly the approach.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
That dan Quinn has brought to a team that has
struggled and suffered for many many moons before he got here,
it's clearly something that's working. Focus in on. Okay, it's
unfortunate that he got hurt, But dan Quinn, this new
ownership group, they seemingly brought a new energy that has
(12:58):
rejuvenated the organization and the franchise. Why are you slipping
back into your old ways of how to cover and
how to do these things? And then now it turns
into an adversarial relationship between the media and the organization.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Why do you think.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Dan Quinn did it? What do you guy have to
put that much? Apologize? Well, because it's the nation's capital,
that's the way they bro They like the only the
only media market that's worse on handling. Well, it could
be Philly too, but but New York is is unforgiving
(13:34):
and that's just but you go into it understanding that's
what you signed up for. The Washington DC media, I'm
telling you, they handle it like it's a White House address.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
I've seen it firsthand. I lived in it. I was
a part of it.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
They covered the Washington football team like they covered the
president and apolitics.
Speaker 8 (13:56):
Next please hell hello everyone, Hello, Hello, good evening to
you all.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
He's the chair of the Talking Smack hit Stick Talking Committee.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
I would certainly never go into the details of the
exchanges nor verbal contact that I've made with my opponents,
but I just like to say, respectfully, they played a
wonderful game. They you know, for us, we can stand
to get better. I mean, how amazing were they? Like,
you just have to be unassuming, give the other team
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credit for what it is that they did it, and
even if they didn't do it, still give them credit. Underplay,
under deliver yourselves, and keep it moving. And it's so
generic and it's so bland, but it's necessary because these
cats look for these weird ass angles to be able
to present the team, can I be honest with you.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
One of the most disheartening things as a competitor, though,
is having to play out a game where you know
you cannot win, Like you get to a point we
were like, we're not able to score that many times
with this amount of time left, and you know that
unfortunately was the position that they were in.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
It's it's terrible to be playing out of the game
that way, right.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
It's like, you know, like you're watching this this death
come at the at the end, you know it's coming.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
You can't stop it. There's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
And like I remember we played Baltimore on Monday Night
football and we got to a point where we you know,
we weren't able to come back. There was just like
two little time left. We're down by a couple scores
or a few scores, and our play caller at the
time had called in a play that you would kind
of run more like a two minute situation. And I'll
(15:44):
never forget. I was like, I think I even told
Josh Cribs this. I was like, please, Josh, just get down.
I was like, just don't you know, Because Josh Cribs
was the type that whether he was a special teams
returner or as a receiver, he was so good to
yards after contact, yards after the catch, just trying to
get you know, something more out of it, and I
think I said in the huddles, I just get down whatever,
(16:05):
just get down.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I'm like, do not try to extend this.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
And sure enough, like it was one of those kind
of like throw the slant kind of pitching around.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
At the where he got like put to sleep. Now,
I was like, there was a kick return. I think
it was.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
There was another one.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
This wasn't a kick return. This was on This was
on Monday football versus Baltimore.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
But I just remember like the whole play playing out,
and I was like, man, like this is worst case
scenario because he gets injured.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
You lose one of your best players.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
I don't know, you know who knows, you know how
severe it is what's happening.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
And like it wasn't necessary. We could have just ran
the damn ball.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
And I kept thinking in my head, I should just
check to a run, like there's there's no point in
that case. But the problem is as a coach, like
you know, they're at a tough spot too, like if
they basically a knowledge defeat, regardless of what point it's at,
he's gonna be up at that podium talking about something else.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
That's gonna involve like his job and all of that.
The angles, that's the angle of adversarial coverage. That's the angle.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
And when you lose, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
At the end of the day, there's always gonna be
something they're gonna they're gonna try to target and talk
to you to pick at.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
It's always gonna be about how you lost everything else.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
I can't tell you how many times we won and
I came back like, yeah, but I should have done this,
or we should have done.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
This, and the media never asked about it.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
They don't ask about those like critical mistakes you actually
made in a win.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
It's only in a loss.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
And so that's the hard part about even this whole,
this whole conversation is dan Quinn was gonna have to
answer to something. If it wasn't Jaden Daniel's injury, it'd
be something else. Maybe it would have been a lot
of More's injury. Maybe they would have pivoted to him,
Maybe it would have been something else that they did
or didn't do. But that's ultimately too. The other issue
with all this is that's what you sign up for
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as a head coach. You know, when you lose it's
there's always gonna be a critical angle and no matter what,
nothing you have done is going to be the right
decision because everyone's looking with twenty twenty vision, because they've
got the ability to look at a hindsight and judge
every decision you made. And the unfortunate reality to football
to life is that's not how decisions are made. You know,
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obviously dan Quinn wouldn't have made the decision if he
knew he was gonna get hurt. That's easy to say
now that that's That's part of my issue with all
this is like it's an easy position to be in
the media and then have to continually like harp on
this point when it's a tough position for dan Quinn
to be in. The second he pulls out Jane Daniels,
they're admitting defeat. The second he pulls out Jane Daniels
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and someone else gets hurt, it's like, why don't you
pull that guy out?
Speaker 10 (18:43):
Why?
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Why don't you pull all the guys out?
Speaker 7 (18:45):
You know what, why don't you just ask the end
of the game with ten minutes left in the fourth quarter.
You know, it's like it's like you're in such a
no win position as a head coach, and that, and
that in that particular.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Scenario you can't win. You shouldn't have to tell your kid.
If there is a fire fireplace that's lit, don't stick
your hand in the fireplace.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
You'll burn your hand.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
You shouldn't have to tell your kids things that common
sense wise, you just don't do. You stay away from it.
If you're at the end of a game and you're
getting blown out. This is something that you learn in
pee wee league. This is something that if you didn't
play pee wee league, you learn at high school level.
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If you played in college, you know in the college level,
if the game is out of reach, do not subject
yourself to injury. And if you do, because you want
to be considered the effort guy. Air quotes, you are
the effort guy who gives it there all on every
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single play. There's nothing wrong with you being that type
of player. There is nothing wrong with it. But you
should not have to tell a player in this scenario.
Make sure you're careful with what you do. That's not quitting,
that's not being a lack of a competitor. That's being
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wise about the scenario. It was a handoff or a
pass there's no reason for you to try to extend
to play none, and that should be the If you're
going to focus on that one play, why are you
scrambling with a game that's out of reach. So you're
basically saying you need a handler. We're I mean, we
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make these these bold claims that, well, quarterbacks are the
most intelligent beings on the football field. If you're so intelligent,
then you understand and you know in this scenario. In fact,
let's be clear, look at the way they call these
games anymore. On any play, I don't don't care if
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it's the first play or the last play. Your thought
process should be, don't get hit. The game is structured
for you to be protected and not be hurt by
hits like the one Jaydon Daniels took that maybe ended
his season. Don't take those types of hits, not now,
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not ever, not any time period. And that's the end
of the story. Something that he does very well.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
He did it.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
He pulled the ball down, started moving, moving out of
the pocket, and he got caught.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
He got caught. Done. Case closed.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
You don't have to sit there and act like a
grown ass man has to be babysat by his goddang
head coach. That man is coaching the game and he
has other players that he's got to worry about as well.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
Okay, it's your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
I get that, no shade, but I'm just saying, handing
the fricking ball off case, closed, throw throw the incomplete
throw the flat. You didn't get in the yards? So
what is incomplete? So what what mess with your QB are?
Speaker 8 (22:09):
So what?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
So?
Speaker 10 (22:12):
What? Like?
Speaker 8 (22:13):
Routine play shouldn't even be a conversation.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
And then you're right, Jonas, he should not have come
out and apologized for it. He said he ran it
in his head. Okay, great, you called the play fifty times.
He said, what fifty times out of fifty times you
run this play? It's a handoff four throw. Come on, man,
Throw to the flat, which is quick. Throw to the flat,
which is quick. Same old commanders. I mean, that's what
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it sounds like. At least they trying, they trying to
have them vibes.
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Speaker 2 (23:26):
Let's start with the team who just decided, you know what,
we'll just have ourselves a good old fashioned fire sale.
And that team would be the awful New York Jets,
who decided to go ahead and trade cornerback Sauce Gardner
to the Colts in exchange for two first round picks
twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven first round picks
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and wide receiver ad Mitchell. So the two first round
picks and ad Mitchell go back to the Jets, Sauce
Gardner heads to the Colts, and then they decided we're
not done. They also decided to trade three time Pro
Bowl defensive tap Quinn Williams to the Cowboys for a
second round pick in twenty twenty six and a first
round pick in twenty twenty seven, along with defensive tackle
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Mazzie Smith. And there you go. That's the New York
Jets in a nutshell. And this, by the way, the
Sauce Gardner side of things. Right after during the offseason,
they gave him and Garrett Wilson contract extensions to keep
them there as sort of the foundational pieces of the
franchise and organization.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
Gohak you good.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Well, I was gonna ask you, I mean, doesn't this
kind of Is this a rebuttal to your comments about
Micah Parsons. Is Jerry Jones just throwing us right back
in your face?
Speaker 10 (24:40):
Far?
Speaker 8 (24:41):
I mean, you're trying to I think.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
He heard you. He's attacking you.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
He's going after Is he coming after me?
Speaker 10 (24:47):
He might have heard us.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
I mean, we are nationally syndicated show. People do listen
to us. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he
did hear us. But I mean that doesn't to me.
That doesn't change up how I felt about it or
how I feel about it. Like, listen, he's trying to
shore up the interior part of his line. He needs
a pass rush. Like I get it. You want to
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stop the run, but you also need to be able
to get to the passer. And Quinnin is a fine
football player. He'll improve their their defensive front and it'll
improve their team. I think it's yet another another piece.
Strategically speaking, I can see that Jerry Jones is possibly
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potentially him and Steven Jones are positioning themselves to be
able to get, you know, a pass rusher out of
the draft to go along with a strong interior. I
will say, if you got a dope interior line line,
a very very strong defensive tackle, three technique, zero techniques,
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whatever it is, it definitely makes life easier on the
ends on the edges because you you have to use
multiple guys on the interior. I mean, you think about
that Tampa Bay team that had Simme and Rice and
and and guys like that on the defensive line. I
mean you had Booger McFarland Chidi Ahun two on the
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other side. You but you have Booger McFarland and Warren
Sap on the inside. That's two formidable guys and it
always allowed for them to have that one on one
blocking scheme against them, which you're not going to block
a Simi and Rice, you know, by yourself. So maybe
that's the direction that that Jerry Jones is taking himself
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in by doing what he's doing. But I like that
the Colts were aggressive on trying to shore up their
defense because they had the type of team that can
make a run. I like, in fact, as crazy as
it may sound, I like that if you're going to
declare that it's a rebuild, then what better way than
getting rid of two of your biggest players, most productive
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players on a failing team to get more draft capital
to try to maybe start a rebuild. So I'm not
gonna I'm not going to take a negative approach on
New York. Maybe this sparks the beginning of a conversation
of a change, a change in philosophy, a change in
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how they approach things as a culture. Maybe this signifies
the end of what was and the beginning of what
could be. Possibly I put.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
It this way, I actually think it's how do I
say this?
Speaker 7 (27:40):
I think I like it for the Dallas Cowboys because
it's a good, strong, aggressive move. Clearly they know their
defense is struggling. You go up, you get a linebacker,
and you trade to get Quinn Williams. You've already tried
to get Kenny Clark. They are a middle of the
pack team in regards to Sachs. Just if you look
at the numbers, think they're seventeenth in the league. You know, however,
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they're their pressure percentage is actually higher than that. I
think they're like a top ten team, that's according to
if you're looking at PFF. But so I don't know
that the idea that they really need an edge r
I don't think that's the problem for them. I think
one of their biggest issues is like teams are just
able to do run throughat whatever they want, and I
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think that's more of the issue with the defense right
now is they're allowing everyone to be balanced, and I
think they feel like if they stop the run or
do a better job of doing that, there's a better
chance that then they can actually, you know, get even
more pressure on opposing quarterbacks and more sacks. So I
don't I guess I like the fact that Jerry's trying
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like this isn't a Dallas Cowboys team that's just gonna
be a bunch of hot air and talk like they're
making moves, they're trying. You look at the Colts as
you talked about, like the Colts feel like they're in
a window right now. That was a big time deal
when you look at what they've given up, you know,
two first round picks as well as Adie Mitchell, who
to me is a player who's got all the ability
in the world. And so for the Jets, they get
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a guy who's got some to prove he's in a
new environment. You could be a nice compliment to Gara Wilson.
I mean, you legitimately could have two studs if you
can get Adie Mitchell mentally to be whereing he needs
to be, Like that's that's a big if because obviously
this team moved on ever since the fumblo out of
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the end zone versus the ramps, Like that's the reality
of it. That play, that singular play, as incredible of
a catch and run as it was, that ended up
being kind of his last moment with the Colts and
they've been mentally moving on ever since.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
And this is an example of that.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
So you know, they go get a player in Sauce
Gardner who's going to be there for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
As Jonas mentioned, they just paid him.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
They feel like they have a window of right now
where they're trying to go win something, and twenty twenty six,
twenty twenty seven. That's what that signified to me. So
I love the fact that we had action before the
trade deadline. I love the fact that we've got teams
that they're identifying what their weaknesses are. They're trying to
get better, like the Jets for example, kind of kicking
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the candle the future.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
It's not that far down the road, George, the future.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
You start looking their draft capital for twenty twenty six,
twenty twenty seven, they can start making those changes immediately
and we'll we'll see where.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
They stack up. But I love the fact that we
just had action.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
You know, this trade dot deadline used to come and
go and we wouldn't have anything going on, and people
would just kind of be like, oh, yeah, it's football.
It's really hard for a player to you know, join
the team and get involved and learn the offense, learn
the defense like that.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
That was what you still always say, right, I mean,
it's just kind.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
Of awesome that now we get something to talk about
after the trade deadline and teams are being more aggressive.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, I don't remember one like yesterday to where you
had legitimate, big time names that were on the move.
Like trade on the deadline has always been more of
an NBA, MLB type thing, NHL, the NFL just kind
of other than when Garoppolo was traded to the Niners
years ago. But you know, it's not like he was
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starting a bunch of games or anything like that. I
can't recall the last time we had big time names
like this on the move. I just think this proves
you can know the Jets should never be taken seriously
as an organization ever, Like they just in the same offseason.
You told Rogers we don't need you, and you told
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Sauce Gardner we do need you, we want you here,
We're going to pay you, and they're both gone.
Speaker 12 (31:45):
Like, so what was the what was it?
Speaker 6 (31:48):
He did need to have time to evaluate his talent.
I mean, I would think that that's legit, right. You
gotta have the opportunity to evaluate your talent.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Why did you pay Why did you give soft Gardner
the contract if you're just gonna trade him? And I
think Garrett Wilson's a little banged up, right, now I
wonder if he wasn't banged up, would they have just
traded him too.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Well, here's what I started thinking about. When you talk
about a blockbuster deal that delivers that type of draft capital.
You know, Daniel Jones has totally galvanized the QB position
in in Indiana. We have not said the other name
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in so long. They need a quarterback in New York.
I'm curious as to why, maybe maybe one of those
first round draft picks, maybe you just give us one
and give us Anthony Richardson. You think that was maybe
possibly on the table. I mean, they sent sent away
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like a lot of capital.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
He got his face caved in by a workout band.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Yeah yeah, I don't know that he's actually healthy.
Speaker 8 (33:02):
Okay, if you could, maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Then if you could get a first round pick, like
if the Jets gave up a first round pick for
Anthony Ring.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
No, no, I'm saying they should be relegated.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
I'm saying, instead of getting two first round picks from
the Jets, just take Anthony Richardson in one first round.
He's an I R though from Okay, all right, then
that makes sense because they need they need a QB.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Yeah, well they he fractures orbital bone.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
It's it's like, like, I don't some people have a
hard time, you know, saying stuff after coming.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Back from that.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
So hmm, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
I mean, I know, we don't say his name at
Nobody says Anthony Richardson's name anymore, Like it's not even
a afterthought at this point. But he might still could
possibly be a quarterback that could be you know, I mean,
look at Daniel Jones. I wouldn't have thought he would
have been able to go do what he's doing now
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after what what went down in New York.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
I don't disagree with his ability. I think the biggest
difference between Daniel Jones and I mean, Daniel Jones played
a lot of football, like, he had a lot of experience,
and he also had a year where he played really
really good football. I mean, he took a team to
the playoffs. So that's never been the case for Anthony Richardson.
I'm not saying that he can at some point, but
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there's a lot of maturing that needs to occur and
development that needs to occur before that's ever going to happen.
And the hard thing about the NFL is they're not
waiting for him to mature, you know, they're not. That's
not their priority. This is a what can you do
to help me?
Speaker 10 (34:40):
Now?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
You know, what have you done for me lately? League?
Speaker 7 (34:43):
So I again, not not even worth really talking about though,
only because he's he's on ir.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
Yeah, yeah, I just that's what came to mind when
when I heard that they were just they were going.
Speaker 11 (34:55):
And.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
What came to mind when I watched all this, I
was thinking, like, dude, I can only if you are
a player on that team. And look, I understand that
there's the logic of well, hey, what you put on tape,
that's your resume, but I also feel like there's gonna
be some times where there's gonna be players who are like, man,
obviously we're kicking the can down the road, like we've
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literally can't. And by the way, I've been a part
of teams that are are you know, two win teams
at this point in time this season, and it is
one of the toughest things to do because you're you
are constantly preaching, hope, constantly preaching to guys about like
playing for you know, your resume, playing for all these
things that are real, but you're not playing for a
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super well, you're not playing for any of that. And
it gets really, really hard to motivate teams when they
get to this point, and especially after a trade deadline
and a bunch of deals like we saw from the
Jets yesterday.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean, Breese Hall like there was talking he was
gonna get downe. They were talking about you stick around, Yeah,
stick around and just swim in them with the rest
of us here and trying to get too dirty.
Speaker 12 (36:04):
All right, man, how many games are left?
Speaker 6 (36:08):
I mean, you definitely have have told your team that
we don't believe in any of y'all mother efforts. And
I'm just letting y'all know that we're going to finish
out this season. Y'all can win, y'all can lose, y'all
can do whatever it is y'all want to do. It's
almost kind of like a gangster move for real, for real,
because that like, that's a brain f if you're still
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in that locker room games, that's a lot of games, man, God,
that's a lot of games.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Half of the season.
Speaker 8 (36:37):
I've told y'all.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
I've now let y'all know, y're all on notice, you're
you're all on notice, like you think you can't get it.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
Quinnon's a good dude, He's a better man than most
of y'all in here. He had to go.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
Sas Gardner's a cool cat, he had to go. So
I'm just looking out all of y'all in this room.
Speaker 8 (36:59):
Do you think gota care about you? You better make
me care? Are you out of here? I mean every
once in a while, I mean, we don't live in an.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Era of time where scare tactics really work with this
generation of people. But I gotta say one of the
biggest motivating factors a part of football with scare factors,
scare techniques, Hell yeah, scare.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
You, and let me tell you something.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
You want to know the reality of what's going on
and the Jets building from here on out. I guarantee
you you're gonna see more inspired football bout the New
York Jets moving forward, because any of y'all can get it.
And we've just let y'all know if we lose, we
already losing. We're already losing, y'all. Mother efforts have messed
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this up. Y'all didn't know how good you had it
until you start seeing dudes like Quinnin and Saws end
up somewhere else.
Speaker 8 (38:02):
You want a reality check, that's a hell of a
reality check.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
Now, what you going to do with it? I gotta
be honest to you. I'll be transparent.
Speaker 7 (38:12):
So all this, while all this was going on yesterday,
I was I was, actually I was, I was attending
Nick Mangle's funeral.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Oh man, we uh.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
The crazy thing about it was it was really close
to Floorham Park where their facility is.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
And by the way, they have one of the best
facilities in the league.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
They have some of the best at that little label
Little pond Man made pond after that.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, no one's doing much there.
Speaker 7 (38:40):
I'm just saying, like everything they have at the facility
is incredible, the food, the people who work there, like everyone.
It truly is like a really special place. Like the
whole area around it, Madison, Morristown, those areas are really
really awesome places to like live and raise a family
and all that. But it was it was crazy because
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you know, I'm seeing all these people now. Granted, you
know past players and coaches and people who who worked
worked for the organization. Still you know, we weren't seeing
like their current regime. But I was just thinking, how
like all this stuff is going on while all these
people who have so many ties to the organization or
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even some of the people who are working equipment or
you know, work in the training with the training staff
and all that they're they're you know, here a part
of this and it's it's got to be a shock
to them too. But on a separate not super super
sad day yesterday, but also like pretty awesome. I've I've
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never I've never heard a yuleg if you will, or
or remembrance from Alan Fannick who spoke and it was
maybe the greatest I have ever heard like that man
like I obviously have always respected him as a you know,
former player, but the man that Alan Fannick is. And
then when he talked about Nick Mangold, obviously the man
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that Nick Mangold was. You can tell why they were
close and you could tell why he was who they
chose to, you know, stand up and speak. It was
it was pretty moving. It was pretty incredible.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Good dude, you would do He still running marathons too.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
He looks fantastic, Like if you if you if you
saw him, you would never guess that he played offensive
line ever ever, Like he looks fantastic and and these
is sharp and he's just awesome. Like you can tell
he's a he's a Hall of Fame through and through
and every in every capacity.
Speaker 8 (40:42):
That's how a lot of them are. Man, they lose
that weight, you know.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
You know, I mean not to change subjects because that's
a somber topic, but just to get us off of
being sad.
Speaker 8 (40:52):
That the only way that I would have probably we're
talking about the Jets is kind of hard.
Speaker 10 (40:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
Yeah, it went from sad to sad er though, like saddest,
you know, because that's a I mean, he's a bright
spot for that organization and he you know, he got
up out of here. Yeah, so that's like really like
kind of like dang, it's bad. But Hutchinson, you know,
the lineman, that the Hall of Fame lineman. You know,
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we had a very very like turbulent type of deal.
Like since college, we we've always were like, you know,
he was that one dude that felt like he was
going to be the one that slams me around and
finished plays and go go after the whistle. I decided
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I'd be as Huckleberry, So I did the same thing
back to him.
Speaker 8 (41:42):
We was doing that even when we went to the pros.
Speaker 6 (41:46):
Just hated each other like he was one of the
players on my list of people that we just we
hated each other, like literally hated each other. And when
I saw him at the College Football Hall of Fame,
we're talking Da da Dad, this that we're like chumming
it up. But he's looking at me like he still
had this kind of look at me like you know,
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I'll bust your ass type of look right, And I
ain't understand it because I ain't know who he was.
I'm sitting there chumming it up with a dude that
I've hated for all these years. He lost that much,
he lost so much weight. I thought I was talking
to like a quarterback, like we're having a good time.
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Tommy Fraser was there, Da Da Dad. We're sitting there
at the bar where we're having a good time. He's
standing there with his wife. His wife is slim, he's slim.
We're sitting there talking and I look at his head
and I'm like, hold on a minute, that's a pro
Football Hall of Fame ring, not a college football Hall
of Fame ring.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
It looks better than mine. Who is this.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
I looked at somebody, and somebody said Steve. I was like, bitch,
can't believe it. I shook his head. After I realized
that I was talking to Steve Hutchinson, I shook his hand,
he shook my head. We looked at each other. We
gave each other a hug. I said, I guess we're
family now, so we got to get over whatever our
hard feelings were. And he was like, yeah, man, we
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gave each other a hug. This was in Vegas. It's
a magical moment. Got to keep all shots out to
the lineman, right, It's cool little story. I had no
idea who I was talking to, man, and that was
the only reason why we even got close enough to
even have that moment. But anyways, just reminded me of
like a cool because Alan Fanica big fan of Allen Fanica,
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because obviously I'm a big Steeler fan.
Speaker 12 (43:36):
Joe Thomas lost a lot of weight too.
Speaker 8 (43:37):
They all lose a ton of weight.
Speaker 6 (43:39):
Russell o'coon have you seen have you seen the Pouncy Brothers,
Like all these dudes that were like three four hundred pounds,
they look crazy.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
Slim My guy, Orlando Franklin I think has lost the
most that I've ever seen. Like you wouldn't, you would
never recognize him. I played with him, and like I
remember seeing the picture. I was like, who's that. One
of my guys is like that's Orlando Franklin. Like a
holy cow, it's incredible. I mean, he's he's lost a ton.
You'd be sitting there like are you sick? Like you've
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lost too much, You've lost way too much. You know
who else got slim?
Speaker 8 (44:14):
Jared Allen got slim, like super slim.
Speaker 6 (44:21):
Like guys are just I don't And I mean I
guess it's it's obviously for health purposes, Like there's so
many of your joints, all kinds of different things, cardiovasculars
and all kinds of different things, hypertension, that the silent killer,
heart attacks and all that stuff. Like when you're that big,
your heart is working, your liver, your kidneys are working
all crazy old time Franklin looks like an NBA player. Now, bro,
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look at the pounces man. Look, I mean there's like
there's a long there's a laundry list them dudes do
he's got on my point?
Speaker 8 (44:55):
Let me see. Yeah he looks, he looks. Yeah, he
looks very slim, very skin.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
I'm just saying if even his face like it's hard
to like. Yeah, it's like place it at first.
Speaker 8 (45:09):
Yeah, he was. He was a thick one when he
was playing. That's him on the left when he was playing.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
Yeah, he's a big boy.
Speaker 12 (45:15):
Sleeps better now too.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Probably be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington
and Jonas Knox weekdays at six a m.
Speaker 13 (45:26):
Eastern three am Pacific. Five lines, not those kind of lines.
Five picks, five spreads. Time for picks against the spread.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
All right, Ryan Berschinger, First of all, where do we
stand on the year going into what a Bird?
Speaker 12 (45:58):
Brady is so far leading the way thirty seven and
seventeen on the air. That's a six eighty five percentage.
Speaker 11 (46:05):
Twins Whens.
Speaker 12 (46:07):
Rainer, you gonna hit the rench time. Maybe, LaVar you're
also doing well. Thirty four and twenty six. That's a
five sixty seven one percentage.
Speaker 10 (46:17):
Ye, there you go. I'm gonna catch it. Worry about it.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
I'm gonna catch it.
Speaker 12 (46:21):
You got that, right, sports veteran, Yeah, Josh Jonas is
clean five hundred twenty four and twenty four.
Speaker 10 (46:30):
So lock. So what we're saying is is Q is
on a Kentucky Derby type of horse.
Speaker 6 (46:37):
I'm on a pooling horse, you know, like one of
them Amish horses that that plowed the fields.
Speaker 10 (46:44):
And Jonas is on a tricycle, no grip one that
you used it.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
I'm on one of those ones out in front of kmart.
You remember the ones out in front of kmart. You
put a quarter in right around in.
Speaker 10 (46:54):
There, you go, I go, yeah, yeah, you guys all moving,
but it ain't going nowhere. Think the movement, but it
ain't going nowhere. You know. I used to really get
excited to get on them little horses. A great quarter
quarter Yeah, man, I mean like I do one more quarter?
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Mom, she knew it was coming to an end soon.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
You wreak it now, yeah, yeah, hold on now, Lorena,
don't get carried away.
Speaker 10 (47:20):
Lorena. All right, I fight back, you know, all right,
go ahead, go ahead, Burke, go ahead. What we got?
Speaker 12 (47:25):
I mean, wellvar you're coming off of a six and
one week last week. You got that Brady five and two,
Jonas four and two, a strong show and overall you
guys all hit your money lines. It's a good week
for everything. I hope next year we rid ourself.
Speaker 6 (47:37):
I hope that year we do away with money line
line crack, oh we money lines and stuff.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
I'm Jonahs Knox. I can't do money lines.
Speaker 12 (47:45):
No, I think that's going to be ten dollars dollars.
Speaker 10 (47:52):
I think that's going to be ten dollars.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
The Jonas Knox does not do money lines. The Jonas
Knox refuses to. That's why, Knox, you just do that?
Speaker 10 (48:01):
Is that third person? Was that third person? That's a fine,
That's okay, Well, thank you, thank you, and you better
pay it.
Speaker 5 (48:09):
You know, he's he's he's been kind of towing the
line a little too close to it.
Speaker 12 (48:13):
So let me tell you what's a budget.
Speaker 10 (48:16):
Judge has spoken, get the gabble, so we get the gabble.
Speaker 8 (48:19):
So I spoke it spoken.
Speaker 9 (48:25):
Down knocks, you're guilty, knocks, time to talk, well, contempt,
you're honored, you're guilty.
Speaker 12 (48:32):
No, behind the scenes, don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yes, Brady announced himself via our text chain that he
is the judge.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Jury and executioner match like Roger Goodell.
Speaker 12 (48:46):
This is so unfair.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
There will be no appeal. Burst please proceed.
Speaker 12 (48:51):
Oh yes, okay, let's race just started off.
Speaker 11 (48:54):
Patriots said, Buccaneers.
Speaker 12 (48:56):
The Bucks are favored here minus two and a half
at home, Joan, we will start with you.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Oh give me Tampa Bay off a bye week.
Speaker 5 (49:05):
Oh yeah, New England knocks locks.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
New England got a little bit exposed last week by
the Atlanta Falcons. You know, if not for a missed
Pa tea, maybe we're having a whole different conversation. I
think Todd Bowles is gonna have those guys ready, and
I think Tampa Bay minus the two and a half
is the right side here.
Speaker 12 (49:25):
Brady, how you feeling.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
Give me New England muddy line, that's right.
Speaker 7 (49:31):
Bucks off the by maybe getting a little bit healthier,
but they are pretty banged up, so we'll see who's
actually healthy.
Speaker 12 (49:39):
That was really good.
Speaker 7 (49:41):
Once the game comes around, give me the Pats going
down to Tampa and getting to win.
Speaker 11 (49:50):
Twins Whens.
Speaker 10 (49:55):
I'm going I'm gonna take.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
Uh, I'm gonna take the Bucks to cover on this one,
only because I feel like this is a safer, safer,
safer go at it. I feel like you you're jumping
out there with the money line on this one. So
either you're gonna you're gonna take a larger lead on
me with this one, or I'm gonna this is one
where I.
Speaker 10 (50:19):
Chip the wood on, right, baby, a little closer.
Speaker 6 (50:21):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with Tampa to cover sticks picks
and I feel confident about that pick.
Speaker 10 (50:29):
By the way.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Good.
Speaker 8 (50:30):
Yeah, Sure, here's the.
Speaker 11 (50:31):
Next one, Jaguars said Texans.
Speaker 12 (50:34):
The Jaguars favored on the road here minus one and
a half. Brady, Brady, you can kick this one off.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and take the Texans money line.
Speaker 6 (50:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
Look, Davis Mill stepping in for CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 7 (50:49):
He was fine last week, but I just there's something
about that defensive front for Houston versus the Jags.
Speaker 5 (50:54):
I'm not sure they're be able to protect Trevor Lawrence
very well.
Speaker 7 (50:59):
So I'll go ahead and take Texans money line here,
twins wins, I'll.
Speaker 10 (51:06):
Jump on it. I'll jump on it.
Speaker 6 (51:08):
I don't like I don't like Stroud being out of
the game. I think this team has continued to struggle
even with Stroud in the game. I think that this
Jaguars team is much like this fall weather that I'm
sitting here in in in state College.
Speaker 10 (51:26):
Sometimes it's nice.
Speaker 6 (51:27):
Sometimes it's not, dude, it's a little it's a little inconsistent.
But without CJ. Stroud in the game, I think that
they're vulnerable. I am going to take the Jags in
this one to.
Speaker 11 (51:39):
Cover sticks picks.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Davis Mills has got a neck like a light pole
Tyan for some reason as a backup quarterback.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
They're only a point and a half underdog at home.
Give me the Texans on the money line, no choice,
he's done money line in the past. I got no choice.
I gotta try and catch up, got no choice. You
(52:09):
know what they say, the turtle and the hair. You
just gotta keep on your pace. Right, they're gonna get you.
Speaker 6 (52:14):
That's that's that's a fictional story. Oh that fictional store.
Go ahead, let's keep going. All right, here's that hair
gonna be long gone. Go ahead, let's keep Ram said.
Speaker 5 (52:25):
Forty nine ers.
Speaker 12 (52:26):
The Rams are favored here minus four and a half
in San Francisco. Levart's start this one off. You said,
what what's the number minus four and a half for
the Rams?
Speaker 6 (52:40):
Ooh, minus four and a half. I'm gonna take I'm
gonna take the points on that one. Yeah, they won't
win by more than that, So I'm gonna take the Niners.
Speaker 11 (52:50):
Sticks picks, all right, Jonas.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
The fort clown the Rams. The last time they met up,
that was the we Go. Mac Jones saw the dead
body at the hotel the day of the game, and
then on Thursday night he went into Rick or Mortis
because he was dealing with all those body cramps and
it was like, Oh my god, what Sean McVeigh doing
and what was that play call? This feels like a
revenge spot for the Rams. I'll take La minus four
(53:20):
and a half knocks Loucks.
Speaker 7 (53:24):
I'm torn here because i want San Francisco, but I
can't tell if I want the money line or if
I'm just gonna take the four and a half points.
I'm a little concerned about what Jona's just mentioned. I mean, dude,
Matthew Stafford's playing at a super high level right now.
We don't know if Pertty we'll be back or not.
I'm assuming it's mac Jones. Either way, I'm not really
(53:46):
sure it changes the line of ton here. I'm gonna
take San Francisco in the points, though these games are
always close, and Shanahan usually has something for Sean McVay.
So I'll take the four and a half points in San.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
Franquin's when's back to back to back? It's crazy.
Speaker 8 (54:08):
I love like the laugh too.
Speaker 5 (54:10):
That's in there.
Speaker 12 (54:12):
Uh next up here said Chargers. Chargers are favorite at
home here minus three on Sunday Night Monday Line.
Speaker 14 (54:23):
Okay, you got that right? Yeah, I see you sticks Okay,
Jonas oh Man, Yeah that's right, Jonas, that's right.
Speaker 5 (54:38):
Johnson, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 12 (54:39):
You know what we already? Yeah, this is the Sunday
Night came right, you know, Jonas?
Speaker 5 (54:46):
What are you going to do? This pack?
Speaker 3 (54:48):
This past week? On the Challenge on k NBC with
your hand in your pack? What the Challenge Challenge?
Speaker 10 (54:55):
Pocket Storry Brady Quinn with his hand in his pocket.
Speaker 12 (55:00):
I did pick the Steelers to win the game.
Speaker 10 (55:02):
Did I say, Brady Quinn?
Speaker 5 (55:04):
It's fine knocks?
Speaker 8 (55:07):
I did?
Speaker 1 (55:08):
I did?
Speaker 3 (55:09):
I did pick the Steelers and they don't do point
spreads on that show.
Speaker 5 (55:12):
Oh, come on, get to it.
Speaker 3 (55:13):
Let's go Pittsburgh on the money line, did you put
that in your smoking?
Speaker 5 (55:22):
You and I t y, Oh what do you want?
Speaker 7 (55:26):
Pittsburgh money Line? Baby, let's go, let's go. When Chargers
are banged up when yeah, a little unity unity, Yeah,
all right.
Speaker 8 (55:38):
Come on, Twins Wins, come ONSA.
Speaker 12 (55:50):
Is the best Packers, that's right, Monday Night Packers are
favored here minus two and a half. Jonas, you kicked
this one off.
Speaker 10 (56:00):
God, you know what you want to do. Come on,
you know exactly what you want to do.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Do it. I find it hard to believe green Bay
do it, Jonas. I'm gonna take the Packers minus two
and a half and.
Speaker 11 (56:16):
Knocks lock.
Speaker 10 (56:18):
That was a horrible pick.
Speaker 5 (56:21):
Oh, you know what I'm going with Philly money line
Twins Whens.
Speaker 8 (56:29):
I gotta jump on the back of that horse with
my boy Q.
Speaker 11 (56:33):
Money line sticks picks.
Speaker 5 (56:37):
Yay, it's gonna be a big week.
Speaker 8 (56:40):
Boys.
Speaker 10 (56:41):
You knew what to do.
Speaker 6 (56:42):
You knew what to do, Jonas, and in those moments
you go in the opposite direction.
Speaker 10 (56:47):
You need to tell me that's weird.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
You mean to tell me Green Bay is going to
lay another egg at home like they did against Carolina
two weeks in a row.
Speaker 10 (56:56):
Against Philly. Come on, man, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (57:01):
I've been proud of it.
Speaker 6 (57:02):
But it's not that you shouldn't be proud of that pick.
You should not be, but Okay, you know, hey, do
what makes you feel good?
Speaker 10 (57:10):
I like it.
Speaker 6 (57:11):
You and I.
Speaker 12 (57:12):
WHOA, Why I haven't heard that in so long?
Speaker 10 (57:14):
You and I. Yeah, it's a great pool, very nice pool.
Speaker 6 (57:20):
Queen Latifa's dope shouts out to Queen latifa What up,
Queen Latif?
Speaker 10 (57:25):
Whoa Latifa's Latifa is a dude?
Speaker 8 (57:28):
I call her Latif?
Speaker 5 (57:29):
He plays quarterback for Nebraska.
Speaker 6 (57:31):
Yeah, no, I don't think so, my guy. You call her,
you call her Queen Latifah, you swept me bar call. No,
you don't call her what you want. You're not allowed to.
I protect her
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Speaker 3 (00:48):
All right, So.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
We talked a little bit yesterday about the Jaden Daniels injury,
the dislocated elbow. He's out indefinitely, and the u S
afterwards was about, you know, why was he in the
game at that point, and you know, should he been
taken out of the game earlier with it being such
a wipeout and risking his health, et cetera, et cetera. Well,
(01:11):
Dan Quinn, the Commander's head coach, UH spoke yesterday and
accepted responsibility for that decision.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I know many of you have been asking about the
thought process of Jaden being in the game in that situation.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I get that.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I've been thinking about honestly NonStop too. And you know,
for me, the answer is, Man, I missed it, but
I would you know, I'll fill you on my thought process.
At the start of the fourth core, I guess it
was probably like twelve and a half minutes left in
the game, and that was gonna be the last drive
for a couple of guys Jayden and Zach and Debo
and LT and so we're gonna have any read run
(01:47):
plays and meaning no carries, you know for the quarterback
on a run. And honestly, man, that's where I missed it.
Of course he could scramble.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
It's Jaden.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
It's what he's special at. And that is one hundred
percent that's on me.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
So that's what he's specialized scrambling. Well, yeah, to me,
that's the bigger that's the bigger point of all of this.
You don't need to take the blame for a player
that got injured doing what they're special at doing what
am I And I get the conventional wisdom of saying, Okay,
(02:20):
the game's out of reach, like pull your starters out.
I get that, but he didn't. He played his starters like.
It's always going to be an easy point of reference
and contention if something like this happens. Like, but I mean,
the man's a coach. He's got to coach his team.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
And so so let me ask you this because this
was kind of what like went through my head watching it.
And then even though as you talked a little bit
about yesterday, we didn't have time to fully discuss, just discuss,
but we talk about taking out your starters. You can
only take out so many like we do this in
preseason two. Will react like, oh, yeah, the backups are
all in. Well, okay, your roster size is a bit
bigger then, But once you get to the regular season.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Dude, you dressed forty six. You can't pull everyone.
Speaker 7 (03:02):
There's not some sort of whole change like all the
backups are in, Like, you don't dress that many guys.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
So I do wonder as a head coach when you look.
Speaker 7 (03:11):
At where Washington's been, where they've struggled offensively, and some
people had said, well, maybe there's the thought of trying
to get them into a rhythm, or maybe there's the
thought of just trying to get him one decent series,
get a touchdown, and try to get something going out
of that game because they played so poorly. But I
also wonder, like in the locker room, you got other
starters who are going to sit in there and have
to battle and have to finish.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Out the game.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
Yeah, hu, Like, how do you view it, like if
your starter comes out, how does your mindset change? Because now,
as a defender, like, there's probably not many chance, like
many opportunities where you're sitting there thinking to yourself, I
need to protect myself to make sure I get out
of this game healthy, because clearly we're throwing in the
white towel, but I'm still out here.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
You're told to fight for sixty minutes, you're told to
lock in and dial in. If we were to look
around the league we talked about last week prior to
this one, how how not non competitive these games were
and teams were getting beat by multiple possessions. How many
(04:15):
of those quarterbacks finished the game. You know, it's so
easy to stop and flash a big light on, oh
my gosh, this coach left their player in. He ends
up getting hurt. What are you doing? You should have
pulled him out? Like, look around the league. How many
quarterbacks that had two possession games, two possession leads, you know,
(04:40):
deficits that they had to overcome, finished out the game.
I don't think we need to even overthink it, the
idea of saying, oh, you should have pulled them, you
should have pulled him, Like it's season.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
We're in season. He's playing the game and he hasn't
played that much.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
I don't even care if he hasn't If anything, if
he hasn't played that much, I'm be like, Okay, maybe
he's tired. Let me give him, let me give him
a play count, because he could be tired, let me
inch him back in.
Speaker 8 (05:09):
But if he's up and.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Running and he's full go, why would you, as a
coach even give that too much thought of We're going
from whistle to whistle for four quarters. It's the regular season,
it's not preseason. So why do why do I have
to be scrutinized? I mean, you get why scrutinized. It's
(05:31):
the profession, it's part of it. But you don't have
you didn't have anybody else coming out in rage. Oh
my gosh, they had the starter in at the end
of the game and they weren't. They clearly had no
chance of winning the game.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, remember it was Carson Wentz last week who defended
the Vikings and defended Kevin O'Connell and them and said, no,
they did not. This is not on them. I wanted
to stay in the game. I knew what the risk
that comes along with this. It was my choice to
stay in. I was in pain and basically defended the
organization because there were some people who are like, well, man,
(06:05):
he's clearly in pain. Why is he still out there?
And then he ends up having season ending surgery, you
know the a few days later. The part that bugs
me about this, and I'm not surprised to.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Say what My next point was, I hope you say
what I think it is good, well and say it
with your chest. Well, yeah, it's not going to be
what I'm pretty sure I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Dan Quinn basically caved to the soft narrative that was
put out because of Jaden Daniels injury. Like, I don't
like the fact that dan Quinn had to come out.
And I'm not surprised because I know he's a stand
up guy and he's a good dude. But the fact
that he came out and accepted responsibility for a quarterback
getting injured in an NFL game, why, because people were asking, well,
(06:52):
what is he still doing in there? Well, he hasn't
played that much. They're trying to get some sort of
a rhythm on offense. I know it's a blowout, but
he's got to get some reps and he's gotta he's
got to get back into the swing of things somehow.
Marshawn Lattimore LeVar brought this up yesterday he tore his
a cl I mean, is that dan Quinn's fault too,
like it is our guys getting injured in the fourth
(07:12):
quarter of games that are out of reach. Is that
the coach's fault because they get injured or is that
just the fact that it's football. It's it's basic sanction
violence and you're gonna fall and land awkwardly from time
to time and bad things are going to happen. The
fact that dan Quinn had to come out and apologize
and accept respond or take responsibility. I think it's a
bad look and I think it kind of presents him
(07:33):
as a Hey, if you uh, if you talk loud
enough and you uh and you make enough noise, he's
going to cave to the narratives out there and have
to speak on it.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Outre Can I ask you guys, one serious question. Absolutely
not okay, never mind rum skin Okay. Why is there
no scrutiny on the decision making of Jaydon Daniels in
this situation the game is out of reach? Yeah, you
clearly cannot win the game. That's that's the narrative that
(08:05):
that is driving the outrage and the backlash of the
decision making of the head coach because.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
If he doesn't play hard, then he gets the Cam
Newton treatment and he never lives down the fashion.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
So if he throws the ball away, I'm if he
if he throws the ball away or hands the ball off,
because if I recall my recollection from what dan Quinn said,
it was usually he hands the ball off in this
situation or throws it to the flat. So if it's
throwing it to the flat, he can easily throw it away.
(08:39):
It's garbage time, hand the ball off. I don't care
if you lose five yards running hand the hand the
ball off.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
I get it, like I understand what you're saying, and
I think that comes with playing more and like time
in the League of maturity, where there's a saying like
live to play the next down, because you will not
survive if you keep trying to play outside the pocket
for so many plays. Eventually you'll get hurt, either via
(09:10):
a hit or either via just unfortunate unluck, you know,
not being lucky enough to be able to get down
or side, whatever the case is. Bad things happen outside
the pocket. In the pocket, enough bad things happen, but
at least you're protected, so defenders know, and they have
to let up to some degree, and they have to
hit you a certain way to some you know, so
it changes. But eventually that comes. The hard thing about
(09:33):
what you're saying, LeVar is you don't want to take
out that competitiveness in him. And again he hasn't played
that much, so there's an element two of him wanting
to get back out there and play the way he's
accustomed to. So it's it's complicated. You can see it
from both sides, But I do hate the fact.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
That upset at No. I don't know, and I'm not
I'm not attacked Jaydeon Daniels for it.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
All I'm saying is is if it was clearly important
enough for Jaydon Daniels to scramble and pull the ball
down in that minute in his mind to create what
he was going to create, what do people have a
problem for, Like, I haven't heard one person really sit
there and be like, why do he pull the ball
down and start scrambling. It's not that it's his fault,
(10:25):
it's you don't have to come up with justification.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
He was doing his job.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
It's nobody's fault he was doing it.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
It's just football. It's what I said yesterday. It's it's football.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
We can dissect this whole decision from Dan Quinn, from
Jane Daniels.
Speaker 9 (10:41):
It's football. Correct injuries happened, correct injuries are gonna happen,
and that's unfortunate that it happened. It was grotesque, it
was upsetting to watch it take place. It's your franchise, guy.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
I get it. But if that, like we said, you
said Marshaun Lattimore, if.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
That was any other player on that field doesn't get
this type of attention, Does it get this type of
vitriol coming back from it?
Speaker 8 (11:06):
If that's the case, and then you'll wonder why.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
The culture is And then you heard Dak Prescott touching
on it because they're one of those types of franchises
that that's the way the media covers like. People may
not understand this because they may be so far removed
from the old days, but the media was actually supposed
to be your conduit to market, advertise and promote the product.
(11:32):
These guys used to go out after games, smoke jacks together,
drink beers together. Sometimes you drank too much, I'll drop
you off. Hey, get say hi to the wife by
first name.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
Get them in.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Maybe it's the local police officer. He drops both of
you off. You guys are at the local pub having
some pops after the freaking game, and y'all had a relationship.
Speaker 8 (11:56):
There was an unwritten.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Rule that relationship between the media and the players and
the organizations was imperative to the health of the sport
of the game. Not to tear them down, Not to
look for these angles that are so polarizing and just
so sensationalized that you're actually destroying. You're destroying the reputation
(12:23):
of the coach, You're destroying the reputation of the organization.
Speaker 8 (12:27):
Apologize, that's not what this is for. You know what
they should have been saying.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
This is a team that was one game away from
getting to the super Bowl the year before.
Speaker 8 (12:36):
The Clearly the approach.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
That dan Quinn has brought to a team that has
struggled and suffered for many many moons before he got here,
it's clearly something that's working. Focus in on. Okay, it's
unfortunate that he got hurt, But dan Quinn, this new
ownership group, they seemingly brought a new energy that has
(12:58):
rejuvenated the organization and the franchise. Why are you slipping
back into your old ways of how to cover and
how to do these things? And then now it turns
into an adversarial relationship between the media and the organization.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Why do you think.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Dan Quinn did it? What do you guy have to
put that much? Apologize? Well, because it's the nation's capital,
that's the way they bro They like the only the
only media market that's worse on handling. Well, it could
be Philly too, but but New York is is unforgiving
(13:34):
and that's just but you go into it understanding that's
what you signed up for. The Washington DC media, I'm
telling you, they handle it like it's a White House address.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
I've seen it firsthand. I lived in it. I was
a part of it.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
They covered the Washington football team like they covered the
president and apolitics.
Speaker 8 (13:56):
Next please hell hello everyone, Hello, Hello, good evening to
you all.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
He's the chair of the Talking Smack hit Stick Talking Committee.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
I would certainly never go into the details of the
exchanges nor verbal contact that I've made with my opponents,
but I just like to say, respectfully, they played a
wonderful game. They you know, for us, we can stand
to get better. I mean, how amazing were they? Like,
you just have to be unassuming, give the other team
(14:28):
credit for what it is that they did it, and
even if they didn't do it, still give them credit. Underplay,
under deliver yourselves, and keep it moving. And it's so
generic and it's so bland, but it's necessary because these
cats look for these weird ass angles to be able
to present the team, can I be honest with you.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
One of the most disheartening things as a competitor, though,
is having to play out a game where you know
you cannot win, Like you get to a point we
were like, we're not able to score that many times
with this amount of time left, and you know that
unfortunately was the position that they were in.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
It's it's terrible to be playing out of the game
that way, right.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
It's like, you know, like you're watching this this death
come at the at the end, you know it's coming.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
You can't stop it. There's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
And like I remember we played Baltimore on Monday Night
football and we got to a point where we you know,
we weren't able to come back. There was just like
two little time left. We're down by a couple scores
or a few scores, and our play caller at the
time had called in a play that you would kind
of run more like a two minute situation. And I'll
(15:44):
never forget. I was like, I think I even told
Josh Cribs this. I was like, please, Josh, just get down.
I was like, just don't you know, Because Josh Cribs
was the type that whether he was a special teams
returner or as a receiver, he was so good to
yards after contact, yards after the catch, just trying to
get you know, something more out of it, and I
think I said in the huddles, I just get down whatever,
(16:05):
just get down.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I'm like, do not try to extend this.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
And sure enough, like it was one of those kind
of like throw the slant kind of pitching around.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
At the where he got like put to sleep. Now,
I was like, there was a kick return. I think
it was.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
There was another one.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
This wasn't a kick return. This was on This was
on Monday football versus Baltimore.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
But I just remember like the whole play playing out,
and I was like, man, like this is worst case
scenario because he gets injured.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
You lose one of your best players.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
I don't know, you know who knows, you know how
severe it is what's happening.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
And like it wasn't necessary. We could have just ran
the damn ball.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
And I kept thinking in my head, I should just
check to a run, like there's there's no point in
that case. But the problem is as a coach, like
you know, they're at a tough spot too, like if
they basically a knowledge defeat, regardless of what point it's at,
he's gonna be up at that podium talking about something else.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
That's gonna involve like his job and all of that.
The angles, that's the angle of adversarial coverage. That's the angle.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
And when you lose, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
At the end of the day, there's always gonna be
something they're gonna they're gonna try to target and talk
to you to pick at.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
It's always gonna be about how you lost everything else.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
I can't tell you how many times we won and
I came back like, yeah, but I should have done this,
or we should have done.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
This, and the media never asked about it.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
They don't ask about those like critical mistakes you actually
made in a win.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
It's only in a loss.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
And so that's the hard part about even this whole,
this whole conversation is dan Quinn was gonna have to
answer to something. If it wasn't Jaden Daniel's injury, it'd
be something else. Maybe it would have been a lot
of More's injury. Maybe they would have pivoted to him,
Maybe it would have been something else that they did
or didn't do. But that's ultimately too. The other issue
with all this is that's what you sign up for
(17:54):
as a head coach. You know, when you lose it's
there's always gonna be a critical angle and no matter what,
nothing you have done is going to be the right
decision because everyone's looking with twenty twenty vision, because they've
got the ability to look at a hindsight and judge
every decision you made. And the unfortunate reality to football
to life is that's not how decisions are made. You know,
(18:17):
obviously dan Quinn wouldn't have made the decision if he
knew he was gonna get hurt. That's easy to say
now that that's That's part of my issue with all
this is like it's an easy position to be in
the media and then have to continually like harp on
this point when it's a tough position for dan Quinn
to be in. The second he pulls out Jane Daniels,
they're admitting defeat. The second he pulls out Jane Daniels
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and someone else gets hurt, it's like, why don't you
pull that guy out?
Speaker 10 (18:43):
Why?
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Why don't you pull all the guys out?
Speaker 7 (18:45):
You know what, why don't you just ask the end
of the game with ten minutes left in the fourth quarter.
You know, it's like it's like you're in such a
no win position as a head coach, and that, and
that in that particular.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Scenario you can't win. You shouldn't have to tell your kid.
If there is a fire fireplace that's lit, don't stick
your hand in the fireplace.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
You'll burn your hand.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
You shouldn't have to tell your kids things that common
sense wise, you just don't do. You stay away from it.
If you're at the end of a game and you're
getting blown out. This is something that you learn in
pee wee league. This is something that if you didn't
play pee wee league, you learn at high school level.
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If you played in college, you know in the college level,
if the game is out of reach, do not subject
yourself to injury. And if you do, because you want
to be considered the effort guy. Air quotes, you are
the effort guy who gives it there all on every
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single play. There's nothing wrong with you being that type
of player. There is nothing wrong with it. But you
should not have to tell a player in this scenario.
Make sure you're careful with what you do. That's not quitting,
that's not being a lack of a competitor. That's being
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wise about the scenario. It was a handoff or a
pass there's no reason for you to try to extend
to play none, and that should be the If you're
going to focus on that one play, why are you
scrambling with a game that's out of reach. So you're
basically saying you need a handler. We're I mean, we
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make these these bold claims that, well, quarterbacks are the
most intelligent beings on the football field. If you're so intelligent,
then you understand and you know in this scenario. In fact,
let's be clear, look at the way they call these
games anymore. On any play, I don't don't care if
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it's the first play or the last play. Your thought
process should be, don't get hit. The game is structured
for you to be protected and not be hurt by
hits like the one Jaydon Daniels took that maybe ended
his season. Don't take those types of hits, not now,
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not ever, not any time period. And that's the end
of the story. Something that he does very well.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
He did it.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
He pulled the ball down, started moving, moving out of
the pocket, and he got caught.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
He got caught. Done. Case closed.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
You don't have to sit there and act like a
grown ass man has to be babysat by his goddang
head coach. That man is coaching the game and he
has other players that he's got to worry about as well.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
Okay, it's your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
I get that, no shade, but I'm just saying, handing
the fricking ball off case, closed, throw throw the incomplete
throw the flat. You didn't get in the yards? So
what is incomplete? So what what mess with your QB are?
Speaker 8 (22:09):
So what?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
So?
Speaker 10 (22:12):
What? Like?
Speaker 8 (22:13):
Routine play shouldn't even be a conversation.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
And then you're right, Jonas, he should not have come
out and apologized for it. He said he ran it
in his head. Okay, great, you called the play fifty times.
He said, what fifty times out of fifty times you
run this play? It's a handoff four throw. Come on, man,
Throw to the flat, which is quick. Throw to the flat,
which is quick. Same old commanders. I mean, that's what
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it sounds like. At least they trying, they trying to
have them vibes.
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Speaker 2 (23:26):
Let's start with the team who just decided, you know what,
we'll just have ourselves a good old fashioned fire sale.
And that team would be the awful New York Jets,
who decided to go ahead and trade cornerback Sauce Gardner
to the Colts in exchange for two first round picks
twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven first round picks
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and wide receiver ad Mitchell. So the two first round
picks and ad Mitchell go back to the Jets, Sauce
Gardner heads to the Colts, and then they decided we're
not done. They also decided to trade three time Pro
Bowl defensive tap Quinn Williams to the Cowboys for a
second round pick in twenty twenty six and a first
round pick in twenty twenty seven, along with defensive tackle
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Mazzie Smith. And there you go. That's the New York
Jets in a nutshell. And this, by the way, the
Sauce Gardner side of things. Right after during the offseason,
they gave him and Garrett Wilson contract extensions to keep
them there as sort of the foundational pieces of the
franchise and organization.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
Gohak you good.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Well, I was gonna ask you, I mean, doesn't this
kind of Is this a rebuttal to your comments about
Micah Parsons. Is Jerry Jones just throwing us right back
in your face?
Speaker 10 (24:40):
Far?
Speaker 8 (24:41):
I mean, you're trying to I think.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
He heard you. He's attacking you.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
He's going after Is he coming after me?
Speaker 10 (24:47):
He might have heard us.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
I mean, we are nationally syndicated show. People do listen
to us. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he
did hear us. But I mean that doesn't to me.
That doesn't change up how I felt about it or
how I feel about it. Like, listen, he's trying to
shore up the interior part of his line. He needs
a pass rush. Like I get it. You want to
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stop the run, but you also need to be able
to get to the passer. And Quinnin is a fine
football player. He'll improve their their defensive front and it'll
improve their team. I think it's yet another another piece.
Strategically speaking, I can see that Jerry Jones is possibly
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potentially him and Steven Jones are positioning themselves to be
able to get, you know, a pass rusher out of
the draft to go along with a strong interior. I
will say, if you got a dope interior line line,
a very very strong defensive tackle, three technique, zero techniques,
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whatever it is, it definitely makes life easier on the
ends on the edges because you you have to use
multiple guys on the interior. I mean, you think about
that Tampa Bay team that had Simme and Rice and
and and guys like that on the defensive line. I
mean you had Booger McFarland Chidi Ahun two on the
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other side. You but you have Booger McFarland and Warren
Sap on the inside. That's two formidable guys and it
always allowed for them to have that one on one
blocking scheme against them, which you're not going to block
a Simi and Rice, you know, by yourself. So maybe
that's the direction that that Jerry Jones is taking himself
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in by doing what he's doing. But I like that
the Colts were aggressive on trying to shore up their
defense because they had the type of team that can
make a run. I like, in fact, as crazy as
it may sound, I like that if you're going to
declare that it's a rebuild, then what better way than
getting rid of two of your biggest players, most productive
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players on a failing team to get more draft capital
to try to maybe start a rebuild. So I'm not
gonna I'm not going to take a negative approach on
New York. Maybe this sparks the beginning of a conversation
of a change, a change in philosophy, a change in
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how they approach things as a culture. Maybe this signifies
the end of what was and the beginning of what
could be. Possibly I put.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
It this way, I actually think it's how do I
say this?
Speaker 7 (27:40):
I think I like it for the Dallas Cowboys because
it's a good, strong, aggressive move. Clearly they know their
defense is struggling. You go up, you get a linebacker,
and you trade to get Quinn Williams. You've already tried
to get Kenny Clark. They are a middle of the
pack team in regards to Sachs. Just if you look
at the numbers, think they're seventeenth in the league. You know, however,
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they're their pressure percentage is actually higher than that. I
think they're like a top ten team, that's according to
if you're looking at PFF. But so I don't know
that the idea that they really need an edge r
I don't think that's the problem for them. I think
one of their biggest issues is like teams are just
able to do run throughat whatever they want, and I
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think that's more of the issue with the defense right
now is they're allowing everyone to be balanced, and I
think they feel like if they stop the run or
do a better job of doing that, there's a better
chance that then they can actually, you know, get even
more pressure on opposing quarterbacks and more sacks. So I
don't I guess I like the fact that Jerry's trying
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like this isn't a Dallas Cowboys team that's just gonna
be a bunch of hot air and talk like they're
making moves, they're trying. You look at the Colts as
you talked about, like the Colts feel like they're in
a window right now. That was a big time deal
when you look at what they've given up, you know,
two first round picks as well as Adie Mitchell, who
to me is a player who's got all the ability
in the world. And so for the Jets, they get
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a guy who's got some to prove he's in a
new environment. You could be a nice compliment to Gara Wilson.
I mean, you legitimately could have two studs if you
can get Adie Mitchell mentally to be whereing he needs
to be, Like that's that's a big if because obviously
this team moved on ever since the fumblo out of
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the end zone versus the ramps, Like that's the reality
of it. That play, that singular play, as incredible of
a catch and run as it was, that ended up
being kind of his last moment with the Colts and
they've been mentally moving on ever since.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
And this is an example of that.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
So you know, they go get a player in Sauce
Gardner who's going to be there for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
As Jonas mentioned, they just paid him.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
They feel like they have a window of right now
where they're trying to go win something, and twenty twenty six,
twenty twenty seven. That's what that signified to me. So
I love the fact that we had action before the
trade deadline. I love the fact that we've got teams
that they're identifying what their weaknesses are. They're trying to
get better, like the Jets for example, kind of kicking
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the candle the future.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
It's not that far down the road, George, the future.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
You start looking their draft capital for twenty twenty six,
twenty twenty seven, they can start making those changes immediately
and we'll we'll see where.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
They stack up. But I love the fact that we
just had action.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
You know, this trade dot deadline used to come and
go and we wouldn't have anything going on, and people
would just kind of be like, oh, yeah, it's football.
It's really hard for a player to you know, join
the team and get involved and learn the offense, learn
the defense like that.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
That was what you still always say, right, I mean,
it's just kind.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
Of awesome that now we get something to talk about
after the trade deadline and teams are being more aggressive.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, I don't remember one like yesterday to where you
had legitimate, big time names that were on the move.
Like trade on the deadline has always been more of
an NBA, MLB type thing, NHL, the NFL just kind
of other than when Garoppolo was traded to the Niners
years ago. But you know, it's not like he was
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starting a bunch of games or anything like that. I
can't recall the last time we had big time names
like this on the move. I just think this proves
you can know the Jets should never be taken seriously
as an organization ever, Like they just in the same offseason.
You told Rogers we don't need you, and you told
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Sauce Gardner we do need you, we want you here,
We're going to pay you, and they're both gone.
Speaker 12 (31:45):
Like, so what was the what was it?
Speaker 6 (31:48):
He did need to have time to evaluate his talent.
I mean, I would think that that's legit, right. You
gotta have the opportunity to evaluate your talent.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Why did you pay Why did you give soft Gardner
the contract if you're just gonna trade him? And I
think Garrett Wilson's a little banged up, right, now I
wonder if he wasn't banged up, would they have just
traded him too.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Well, here's what I started thinking about. When you talk
about a blockbuster deal that delivers that type of draft capital.
You know, Daniel Jones has totally galvanized the QB position
in in Indiana. We have not said the other name
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in so long. They need a quarterback in New York.
I'm curious as to why, maybe maybe one of those
first round draft picks, maybe you just give us one
and give us Anthony Richardson. You think that was maybe
possibly on the table. I mean, they sent sent away
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like a lot of capital.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
He got his face caved in by a workout band.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Yeah yeah, I don't know that he's actually healthy.
Speaker 8 (33:02):
Okay, if you could, maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Then if you could get a first round pick, like
if the Jets gave up a first round pick for
Anthony Ring.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
No, no, I'm saying they should be relegated.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
I'm saying, instead of getting two first round picks from
the Jets, just take Anthony Richardson in one first round.
He's an I R though from Okay, all right, then
that makes sense because they need they need a QB.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Yeah, well they he fractures orbital bone.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
It's it's like, like, I don't some people have a
hard time, you know, saying stuff after coming.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Back from that.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
So hmm, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
I mean, I know, we don't say his name at
Nobody says Anthony Richardson's name anymore, Like it's not even
a afterthought at this point. But he might still could
possibly be a quarterback that could be you know, I mean,
look at Daniel Jones. I wouldn't have thought he would
have been able to go do what he's doing now
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after what what went down in New York.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
I don't disagree with his ability. I think the biggest
difference between Daniel Jones and I mean, Daniel Jones played
a lot of football, like, he had a lot of experience,
and he also had a year where he played really
really good football. I mean, he took a team to
the playoffs. So that's never been the case for Anthony Richardson.
I'm not saying that he can at some point, but
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there's a lot of maturing that needs to occur and
development that needs to occur before that's ever going to happen.
And the hard thing about the NFL is they're not
waiting for him to mature, you know, they're not. That's
not their priority. This is a what can you do
to help me?
Speaker 10 (34:40):
Now?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
You know, what have you done for me lately? League?
Speaker 7 (34:43):
So I again, not not even worth really talking about though,
only because he's he's on ir.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
Yeah, yeah, I just that's what came to mind when
when I heard that they were just they were going.
Speaker 11 (34:55):
And.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
What came to mind when I watched all this, I
was thinking, like, dude, I can only if you are
a player on that team. And look, I understand that
there's the logic of well, hey, what you put on tape,
that's your resume, but I also feel like there's gonna
be some times where there's gonna be players who are like, man,
obviously we're kicking the can down the road, like we've
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literally can't. And by the way, I've been a part
of teams that are are you know, two win teams
at this point in time this season, and it is
one of the toughest things to do because you're you
are constantly preaching, hope, constantly preaching to guys about like
playing for you know, your resume, playing for all these
things that are real, but you're not playing for a
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super well, you're not playing for any of that. And
it gets really, really hard to motivate teams when they
get to this point, and especially after a trade deadline
and a bunch of deals like we saw from the
Jets yesterday.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean, Breese Hall like there was talking he was
gonna get downe. They were talking about you stick around, Yeah,
stick around and just swim in them with the rest
of us here and trying to get too dirty.
Speaker 12 (36:04):
All right, man, how many games are left?
Speaker 6 (36:08):
I mean, you definitely have have told your team that
we don't believe in any of y'all mother efforts. And
I'm just letting y'all know that we're going to finish
out this season. Y'all can win, y'all can lose, y'all
can do whatever it is y'all want to do. It's
almost kind of like a gangster move for real, for real,
because that like, that's a brain f if you're still
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in that locker room games, that's a lot of games, man, God,
that's a lot of games.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Half of the season.
Speaker 8 (36:37):
I've told y'all.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
I've now let y'all know, y're all on notice, you're
you're all on notice, like you think you can't get it.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
Quinnon's a good dude, He's a better man than most
of y'all in here. He had to go.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
Sas Gardner's a cool cat, he had to go. So
I'm just looking out all of y'all in this room.
Speaker 8 (36:59):
Do you think gota care about you? You better make
me care? Are you out of here? I mean every
once in a while, I mean, we don't live in an.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Era of time where scare tactics really work with this
generation of people. But I gotta say one of the
biggest motivating factors a part of football with scare factors,
scare techniques, Hell yeah, scare.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
You, and let me tell you something.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
You want to know the reality of what's going on
and the Jets building from here on out. I guarantee
you you're gonna see more inspired football bout the New
York Jets moving forward, because any of y'all can get it.
And we've just let y'all know if we lose, we
already losing. We're already losing, y'all. Mother efforts have messed
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this up. Y'all didn't know how good you had it
until you start seeing dudes like Quinnin and Saws end
up somewhere else.
Speaker 8 (38:02):
You want a reality check, that's a hell of a
reality check.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
Now, what you going to do with it? I gotta
be honest to you. I'll be transparent.
Speaker 7 (38:12):
So all this, while all this was going on yesterday,
I was I was, actually I was, I was attending
Nick Mangle's funeral.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Oh man, we uh.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
The crazy thing about it was it was really close
to Floorham Park where their facility is.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
And by the way, they have one of the best
facilities in the league.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
They have some of the best at that little label
Little pond Man made pond after that.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, no one's doing much there.
Speaker 7 (38:40):
I'm just saying, like everything they have at the facility
is incredible, the food, the people who work there, like everyone.
It truly is like a really special place. Like the
whole area around it, Madison, Morristown, those areas are really
really awesome places to like live and raise a family
and all that. But it was it was crazy because
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you know, I'm seeing all these people now. Granted, you
know past players and coaches and people who who worked
worked for the organization. Still you know, we weren't seeing
like their current regime. But I was just thinking, how
like all this stuff is going on while all these
people who have so many ties to the organization or
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even some of the people who are working equipment or
you know, work in the training with the training staff
and all that they're they're you know, here a part
of this and it's it's got to be a shock
to them too. But on a separate not super super
sad day yesterday, but also like pretty awesome. I've I've
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never I've never heard a yuleg if you will, or
or remembrance from Alan Fannick who spoke and it was
maybe the greatest I have ever heard like that man
like I obviously have always respected him as a you know,
former player, but the man that Alan Fannick is. And
then when he talked about Nick Mangold, obviously the man
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that Nick Mangold was. You can tell why they were
close and you could tell why he was who they
chose to, you know, stand up and speak. It was
it was pretty moving. It was pretty incredible.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Good dude, you would do He still running marathons too.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
He looks fantastic, Like if you if you if you
saw him, you would never guess that he played offensive
line ever ever, Like he looks fantastic and and these
is sharp and he's just awesome. Like you can tell
he's a he's a Hall of Fame through and through
and every in every capacity.
Speaker 8 (40:42):
That's how a lot of them are. Man, they lose
that weight, you know.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
You know, I mean not to change subjects because that's
a somber topic, but just to get us off of
being sad.
Speaker 8 (40:52):
That the only way that I would have probably we're
talking about the Jets is kind of hard.
Speaker 10 (40:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
Yeah, it went from sad to sad er though, like saddest,
you know, because that's a I mean, he's a bright
spot for that organization and he you know, he got
up out of here. Yeah, so that's like really like
kind of like dang, it's bad. But Hutchinson, you know,
the lineman, that the Hall of Fame lineman. You know,
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we had a very very like turbulent type of deal.
Like since college, we we've always were like, you know,
he was that one dude that felt like he was
going to be the one that slams me around and
finished plays and go go after the whistle. I decided
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I'd be as Huckleberry, So I did the same thing
back to him.
Speaker 8 (41:42):
We was doing that even when we went to the pros.
Speaker 6 (41:46):
Just hated each other like he was one of the
players on my list of people that we just we
hated each other, like literally hated each other. And when
I saw him at the College Football Hall of Fame,
we're talking Da da Dad, this that we're like chumming
it up. But he's looking at me like he still
had this kind of look at me like you know,
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I'll bust your ass type of look right, And I
ain't understand it because I ain't know who he was.
I'm sitting there chumming it up with a dude that
I've hated for all these years. He lost that much,
he lost so much weight. I thought I was talking
to like a quarterback, like we're having a good time.
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Tommy Fraser was there, Da Da Dad. We're sitting there
at the bar where we're having a good time. He's
standing there with his wife. His wife is slim, he's slim.
We're sitting there talking and I look at his head
and I'm like, hold on a minute, that's a pro
Football Hall of Fame ring, not a college football Hall
of Fame ring.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
It looks better than mine. Who is this.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
I looked at somebody, and somebody said Steve. I was like, bitch,
can't believe it. I shook his head. After I realized
that I was talking to Steve Hutchinson, I shook his hand,
he shook my head. We looked at each other. We
gave each other a hug. I said, I guess we're
family now, so we got to get over whatever our
hard feelings were. And he was like, yeah, man, we
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gave each other a hug. This was in Vegas. It's
a magical moment. Got to keep all shots out to
the lineman, right, It's cool little story. I had no
idea who I was talking to, man, and that was
the only reason why we even got close enough to
even have that moment. But anyways, just reminded me of
like a cool because Alan Fanica big fan of Allen Fanica,
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because obviously I'm a big Steeler fan.
Speaker 12 (43:36):
Joe Thomas lost a lot of weight too.
Speaker 8 (43:37):
They all lose a ton of weight.
Speaker 6 (43:39):
Russell o'coon have you seen have you seen the Pouncy Brothers,
Like all these dudes that were like three four hundred pounds,
they look crazy.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
Slim My guy, Orlando Franklin I think has lost the
most that I've ever seen. Like you wouldn't, you would
never recognize him. I played with him, and like I
remember seeing the picture. I was like, who's that. One
of my guys is like that's Orlando Franklin. Like a
holy cow, it's incredible. I mean, he's he's lost a ton.
You'd be sitting there like are you sick? Like you've
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lost too much, You've lost way too much. You know
who else got slim?
Speaker 8 (44:14):
Jared Allen got slim, like super slim.
Speaker 6 (44:21):
Like guys are just I don't And I mean I
guess it's it's obviously for health purposes, Like there's so
many of your joints, all kinds of different things, cardiovasculars
and all kinds of different things, hypertension, that the silent killer,
heart attacks and all that stuff. Like when you're that big,
your heart is working, your liver, your kidneys are working
all crazy old time Franklin looks like an NBA player. Now, bro,
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look at the pounces man. Look, I mean there's like
there's a long there's a laundry list them dudes do
he's got on my point?
Speaker 8 (44:55):
Let me see. Yeah he looks, he looks. Yeah, he
looks very slim, very skin.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
I'm just saying if even his face like it's hard
to like. Yeah, it's like place it at first.
Speaker 8 (45:09):
Yeah, he was. He was a thick one when he
was playing. That's him on the left when he was playing.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
Yeah, he's a big boy.
Speaker 12 (45:15):
Sleeps better now too.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Probably be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington
and Jonas Knox weekdays at six a m.
Speaker 13 (45:26):
Eastern three am Pacific. Five lines, not those kind of lines.
Five picks, five spreads. Time for picks against the spread.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
All right, Ryan Berschinger, First of all, where do we
stand on the year going into what a Bird?
Speaker 12 (45:58):
Brady is so far leading the way thirty seven and
seventeen on the air. That's a six eighty five percentage.
Speaker 11 (46:05):
Twins Whens.
Speaker 12 (46:07):
Rainer, you gonna hit the rench time. Maybe, LaVar you're
also doing well. Thirty four and twenty six. That's a
five sixty seven one percentage.
Speaker 10 (46:17):
Ye, there you go. I'm gonna catch it. Worry about it.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
I'm gonna catch it.
Speaker 12 (46:21):
You got that, right, sports veteran, Yeah, Josh Jonas is
clean five hundred twenty four and twenty four.
Speaker 10 (46:30):
So lock. So what we're saying is is Q is
on a Kentucky Derby type of horse.
Speaker 6 (46:37):
I'm on a pooling horse, you know, like one of
them Amish horses that that plowed the fields.
Speaker 10 (46:44):
And Jonas is on a tricycle, no grip one that
you used it.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
I'm on one of those ones out in front of kmart.
You remember the ones out in front of kmart. You
put a quarter in right around in.
Speaker 10 (46:54):
There, you go, I go, yeah, yeah, you guys all moving,
but it ain't going nowhere. Think the movement, but it
ain't going nowhere. You know. I used to really get
excited to get on them little horses. A great quarter
quarter Yeah, man, I mean like I do one more quarter?
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Mom, she knew it was coming to an end soon.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
You wreak it now, yeah, yeah, hold on now, Lorena,
don't get carried away.
Speaker 10 (47:20):
Lorena. All right, I fight back, you know, all right,
go ahead, go ahead, Burke, go ahead. What we got?
Speaker 12 (47:25):
I mean, wellvar you're coming off of a six and
one week last week. You got that Brady five and two,
Jonas four and two, a strong show and overall you
guys all hit your money lines. It's a good week
for everything. I hope next year we rid ourself.
Speaker 6 (47:37):
I hope that year we do away with money line
line crack, oh we money lines and stuff.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
I'm Jonahs Knox. I can't do money lines.
Speaker 12 (47:45):
No, I think that's going to be ten dollars dollars.
Speaker 10 (47:52):
I think that's going to be ten dollars.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
The Jonas Knox does not do money lines. The Jonas
Knox refuses to. That's why, Knox, you just do that?
Speaker 10 (48:01):
Is that third person? Was that third person? That's a fine,
That's okay, Well, thank you, thank you, and you better
pay it.
Speaker 5 (48:09):
You know, he's he's he's been kind of towing the
line a little too close to it.
Speaker 12 (48:13):
So let me tell you what's a budget.
Speaker 10 (48:16):
Judge has spoken, get the gabble, so we get the gabble.
Speaker 8 (48:19):
So I spoke it spoken.
Speaker 9 (48:25):
Down knocks, you're guilty, knocks, time to talk, well, contempt,
you're honored, you're guilty.
Speaker 12 (48:32):
No, behind the scenes, don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yes, Brady announced himself via our text chain that he
is the judge.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Jury and executioner match like Roger Goodell.
Speaker 12 (48:46):
This is so unfair.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
There will be no appeal. Burst please proceed.
Speaker 12 (48:51):
Oh yes, okay, let's race just started off.
Speaker 11 (48:54):
Patriots said, Buccaneers.
Speaker 12 (48:56):
The Bucks are favored here minus two and a half
at home, Joan, we will start with you.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Oh give me Tampa Bay off a bye week.
Speaker 5 (49:05):
Oh yeah, New England knocks locks.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
New England got a little bit exposed last week by
the Atlanta Falcons. You know, if not for a missed
Pa tea, maybe we're having a whole different conversation. I
think Todd Bowles is gonna have those guys ready, and
I think Tampa Bay minus the two and a half
is the right side here.
Speaker 12 (49:25):
Brady, how you feeling.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
Give me New England muddy line, that's right.
Speaker 7 (49:31):
Bucks off the by maybe getting a little bit healthier,
but they are pretty banged up, so we'll see who's
actually healthy.
Speaker 12 (49:39):
That was really good.
Speaker 7 (49:41):
Once the game comes around, give me the Pats going
down to Tampa and getting to win.
Speaker 11 (49:50):
Twins Whens.
Speaker 10 (49:55):
I'm going I'm gonna take.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
Uh, I'm gonna take the Bucks to cover on this one,
only because I feel like this is a safer, safer,
safer go at it. I feel like you you're jumping
out there with the money line on this one. So
either you're gonna you're gonna take a larger lead on
me with this one, or I'm gonna this is one
where I.
Speaker 10 (50:19):
Chip the wood on, right, baby, a little closer.
Speaker 6 (50:21):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with Tampa to cover sticks picks
and I feel confident about that pick.
Speaker 10 (50:29):
By the way.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Good.
Speaker 8 (50:30):
Yeah, Sure, here's the.
Speaker 11 (50:31):
Next one, Jaguars said Texans.
Speaker 12 (50:34):
The Jaguars favored on the road here minus one and
a half. Brady, Brady, you can kick this one off.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and take the Texans money line.
Speaker 6 (50:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
Look, Davis Mill stepping in for CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 7 (50:49):
He was fine last week, but I just there's something
about that defensive front for Houston versus the Jags.
Speaker 5 (50:54):
I'm not sure they're be able to protect Trevor Lawrence
very well.
Speaker 7 (50:59):
So I'll go ahead and take Texans money line here,
twins wins, I'll.
Speaker 10 (51:06):
Jump on it. I'll jump on it.
Speaker 6 (51:08):
I don't like I don't like Stroud being out of
the game. I think this team has continued to struggle
even with Stroud in the game. I think that this
Jaguars team is much like this fall weather that I'm
sitting here in in in state College.
Speaker 10 (51:26):
Sometimes it's nice.
Speaker 6 (51:27):
Sometimes it's not, dude, it's a little it's a little inconsistent.
But without CJ. Stroud in the game, I think that
they're vulnerable. I am going to take the Jags in
this one to.
Speaker 11 (51:39):
Cover sticks picks.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Davis Mills has got a neck like a light pole
Tyan for some reason as a backup quarterback.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
They're only a point and a half underdog at home.
Give me the Texans on the money line, no choice,
he's done money line in the past. I got no choice.
I gotta try and catch up, got no choice. You
(52:09):
know what they say, the turtle and the hair. You
just gotta keep on your pace. Right, they're gonna get you.
Speaker 6 (52:14):
That's that's that's a fictional story. Oh that fictional store.
Go ahead, let's keep going. All right, here's that hair
gonna be long gone. Go ahead, let's keep Ram said.
Speaker 5 (52:25):
Forty nine ers.
Speaker 12 (52:26):
The Rams are favored here minus four and a half
in San Francisco. Levart's start this one off. You said,
what what's the number minus four and a half for
the Rams?
Speaker 6 (52:40):
Ooh, minus four and a half. I'm gonna take I'm
gonna take the points on that one. Yeah, they won't
win by more than that, So I'm gonna take the Niners.
Speaker 11 (52:50):
Sticks picks, all right, Jonas.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
The fort clown the Rams. The last time they met up,
that was the we Go. Mac Jones saw the dead
body at the hotel the day of the game, and
then on Thursday night he went into Rick or Mortis
because he was dealing with all those body cramps and
it was like, Oh my god, what Sean McVeigh doing
and what was that play call? This feels like a
revenge spot for the Rams. I'll take La minus four
(53:20):
and a half knocks Loucks.
Speaker 7 (53:24):
I'm torn here because i want San Francisco, but I
can't tell if I want the money line or if
I'm just gonna take the four and a half points.
I'm a little concerned about what Jona's just mentioned. I mean, dude,
Matthew Stafford's playing at a super high level right now.
We don't know if Pertty we'll be back or not.
I'm assuming it's mac Jones. Either way, I'm not really
(53:46):
sure it changes the line of ton here. I'm gonna
take San Francisco in the points, though these games are
always close, and Shanahan usually has something for Sean McVay.
So I'll take the four and a half points in San.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
Franquin's when's back to back to back? It's crazy.
Speaker 8 (54:08):
I love like the laugh too.
Speaker 5 (54:10):
That's in there.
Speaker 12 (54:12):
Uh next up here said Chargers. Chargers are favorite at
home here minus three on Sunday Night Monday Line.
Speaker 14 (54:23):
Okay, you got that right? Yeah, I see you sticks Okay,
Jonas oh Man, Yeah that's right, Jonas, that's right.
Speaker 5 (54:38):
Johnson, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 12 (54:39):
You know what we already? Yeah, this is the Sunday
Night came right, you know, Jonas?
Speaker 5 (54:46):
What are you going to do? This pack?
Speaker 3 (54:48):
This past week? On the Challenge on k NBC with
your hand in your pack? What the Challenge Challenge?
Speaker 10 (54:55):
Pocket Storry Brady Quinn with his hand in his pocket.
Speaker 12 (55:00):
I did pick the Steelers to win the game.
Speaker 10 (55:02):
Did I say, Brady Quinn?
Speaker 5 (55:04):
It's fine knocks?
Speaker 8 (55:07):
I did?
Speaker 1 (55:08):
I did?
Speaker 3 (55:09):
I did pick the Steelers and they don't do point
spreads on that show.
Speaker 5 (55:12):
Oh, come on, get to it.
Speaker 3 (55:13):
Let's go Pittsburgh on the money line, did you put
that in your smoking?
Speaker 5 (55:22):
You and I t y, Oh what do you want?
Speaker 7 (55:26):
Pittsburgh money Line? Baby, let's go, let's go. When Chargers
are banged up when yeah, a little unity unity, Yeah,
all right.
Speaker 8 (55:38):
Come on, Twins Wins, come ONSA.
Speaker 12 (55:50):
Is the best Packers, that's right, Monday Night Packers are
favored here minus two and a half. Jonas, you kicked
this one off.
Speaker 10 (56:00):
God, you know what you want to do. Come on,
you know exactly what you want to do.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Do it. I find it hard to believe green Bay
do it, Jonas. I'm gonna take the Packers minus two
and a half and.
Speaker 11 (56:16):
Knocks lock.
Speaker 10 (56:18):
That was a horrible pick.
Speaker 5 (56:21):
Oh, you know what I'm going with Philly money line
Twins Whens.
Speaker 8 (56:29):
I gotta jump on the back of that horse with
my boy Q.
Speaker 11 (56:33):
Money line sticks picks.
Speaker 5 (56:37):
Yay, it's gonna be a big week.
Speaker 8 (56:40):
Boys.
Speaker 10 (56:41):
You knew what to do.
Speaker 6 (56:42):
You knew what to do, Jonas, and in those moments
you go in the opposite direction.
Speaker 10 (56:47):
You need to tell me that's weird.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
You mean to tell me Green Bay is going to
lay another egg at home like they did against Carolina
two weeks in a row.
Speaker 10 (56:56):
Against Philly. Come on, man, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (57:01):
I've been proud of it.
Speaker 6 (57:02):
But it's not that you shouldn't be proud of that pick.
You should not be, but Okay, you know, hey, do
what makes you feel good?
Speaker 10 (57:10):
I like it.
Speaker 6 (57:11):
You and I.
Speaker 12 (57:12):
WHOA, Why I haven't heard that in so long?
Speaker 10 (57:14):
You and I. Yeah, it's a great pool, very nice pool.
Speaker 6 (57:20):
Queen Latifa's dope shouts out to Queen latifa What up,
Queen Latif?
Speaker 10 (57:25):
Whoa Latifa's Latifa is a dude?
Speaker 8 (57:28):
I call her Latif?
Speaker 5 (57:29):
He plays quarterback for Nebraska.
Speaker 6 (57:31):
Yeah, no, I don't think so, my guy. You call her,
you call her Queen Latifah, you swept me bar call. No,
you don't call her what you want. You're not allowed to.
I protect her
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