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Dan thinks the Bengals should let Joe Burrow play out the remainder of the season even though they don’t have a realistic shot to make the NFL Playoffs.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's the day before the day and we are ready
to go. It's a Meet Wednesday around here as we
bring back sixteen twenty one. Dylan is doing the cooking
and he is dressing the part. If you're watching on Peacock,
be prepared. I don't know what kind of outfit you've
got on today, but it's different.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
I think it's Lady Pilgrim sheep.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Oh okay, I'm waiting until that catches on in Brooklyn,
and then then I know it's going to be a
fad there.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
You're actually about two weeks late on that.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
To Meet Friday on Wednesday, And so Dylan said, and
Dylan's in for Fritzie today, so he said, let's just
recreate the sixteen twenty one Thanksgiving Day.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
They called it a brunch in the forest, I believe
back then.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
But we have.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Cornish game hens duck with corn breads, stuffing, butternut squash,
lobster muscles, and sea bass as it better than we do.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
No body, Yeah, well wait a minute, are you guys
okay with that?

Speaker 6 (01:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Didn't fit? Oh wow?

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Okay, all right, Marvin, you okay.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
With that.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Oh wow, unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (01:30):
I'm grateful.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
No, you're not. You're not thankful. You're not gratefulful. I'm offended.

Speaker 8 (01:36):
Dylan is cooking this incredible feast. Yes, Paul, I love seafood.
I'm just reading the article now from the Smithsonian. I
didn't know they had shellfish and seafood at the first Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I love this so cornish game hen duck, butternut, squash, soup,
lobster muscles, black sea bass. Okay, just oh buddy for
the rest of us, all right, In no particular order,
that college football rankings came out Ohio State, Indiana, A
and M Georgia, Texas Tech, Oregon, Old Miss, Oklahoma, Notre Dame,

(02:10):
and Alabama. Joe Burrow says he's playing if he's healthy,
and Joe Burrow and the Bengals aren't going to the playoffs,
but they could decide who wins the AFC North. Here's
Joe Burrow on his possible return.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
I understand why people feel that way, but you look.

Speaker 9 (02:29):
At it from my perspective. I'm a football player, and
if I get hurt, I'm gonna go through the rehab
process and then I'm gonna let everybody know. When I
feel like I can go out there and play, I'm
not gonna ever go to somebody and say, yeah, I'm healthy,

(02:50):
but I don't think I don't think I should go
out there and play. That doesn't make a lot of
sense to me. I'm not gonna live my life and
play this game scared of something happening.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Chris collins Worth yesterday said he wouldn't bring Joe Burrow back.
We'll talk to Ross Tucker and Brady Quinn and get
their opinion on this. I understand it from a variety
of angles. You can't bubble wrap him. And then how
do you pick and choose when he plays and he
doesn't play. Let's say you don't have him play the
rest of this year. What if he gets a little

(03:22):
nicked up next year, which he probably will, then do
you shut him down again?

Speaker 4 (03:27):
How long do you shut him down for?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
You're paying him fifty million dollars And if you want
to put him out there, you have a fan base
that you have to play kit as well, and if
you can somehow have an impact on who wins the
AFC North or who doesn't, and you get to play
in some big games, big games from the perspective of
this could decide who makes the playoffs and who doesn't.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Your football player, there are inherent risks that come with
playing the game, and certainly that position. Would I play, Yeah,
I would. I'd put him out there because I want
him to be able to try to find some kind
of rhythm a little bit, just so we have some
momentum going into next season. You have a head coach

(04:13):
who might not be there next year. Here's the problem.
You don't have Trey Hendricks and your best defensive player
t Higgins not playing. So it's gonna be Joe Burrow
and Jamar Chase basically. And we saw what the Ravens
did against Shador Sanders when they blitzed just about on
every down. And I imagine if I'm the Ravens, I'm
coming after Joe Burrow. Now there's some great football coming

(04:36):
up and really important football Packers and Lions. I mean
that feels like the which one of you wants to
be a contender? And Chiefs and Cowboys. What's best for
the NFL if the Cowboys win or the Chiefs win?
Because do you want the Chiefs still alive? Do you
want them maybe getting into the playoffs, or the Cowboys

(04:57):
can be kind of on the doorstep of making the playoffs.
That's a great matchup as well. And then the Bengals
in the Ravens, which is interesting because I'm waiting to
see if Lamar Jackson is going to be Lamar Jackson
from a year ago. He's not running as much as
he used to and we should probably get used to this.
This might be the Lamar Jackson two point zero. And

(05:20):
this happens with quarterbacks, guys who use their legs and
then they get to a certain point where they're not
going to be able to rely on those legs, or
they're going to have to stay in the pocket a
little bit more than what they normally do. Or those
design runs. While you have them, you just don't have
them as often as you did. But a lot of
great football college football as well, Ole Miss and Mississippi State.

(05:45):
Still no word on what's going to happen with Lane Kiffin.
I think it's going to leak out before the game.
And I was on the phone with two different college
football sources last night. They didn't have an opinion. They
thought that he's gone, but they said, we have no
idea where he's going to go. But you know, can
he stay at Old Miss? Should he stay at Old Miss?

(06:08):
Like those seemed to be two questions with two different answers.
Of course he can stay, But it feels like Lane
Kiffin is out because if he was staying, I don't
I'm not going to wait until after Friday's game. If
I'm staying, I'm announcing it prior to Friday's game because
nothing is going to make that locker room explode like that.
If he says, Hey, I thought long and hard about this,

(06:31):
I've discussed this with my family, this is my home.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
I'm staying here. Boom.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Now let's go. Do you imagine hey thought long and
hard about this and I can't pass up LSU Let's
go get him?

Speaker 10 (06:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Okay, all right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I think the reaction is going to be kind of
like you guys to our meet Friday on a Wednesday. Okay, coach,
all right, Seeton, let's pull question for the first hour
of the program.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
Paul sent this one over.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Who are you rooting for the Cowboys or the Chiefs
M because in general a lot of people don't root
for either.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Correct, Okay, Wow.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Usually you know the answer to a question you're going
to be asking people, But I don't know if I have, Well,
I have the Chiefs going to the Super Bowl, So
I'm going to say the Chiefs just because I want
them to, you know, go to the Super Bowl representing
the AFC, or I predicted them in the lines.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
I think the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Winning makes it spicier because now we have a legitimate
reason to talk about the Cowboys and they could play
spoilers slash slip into the playoffs. It just feels like
the Chiefs are always going to be kind of in
the picture because nobody's great in the AFC and you

(07:57):
have your chances. The Colts could have done a bit, big,
big favor to everybody in the AFC by winning that game.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
I still love watching the homes play, So I'm going
to root for.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
The Cowboys ish because I think for content reasons I
would root for the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeampoint.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
In the last thirteen seasons, the Chiefs have missed the
playoffs once. That's nutty, Yeah, that's Patriots.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, what else do we have their seaton?

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Well, I think Dylan's feeling a little offended.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
So we're gonna go with this pole question as well,
which would you prefer the original Thanksgiving menu or the
one we have more modern times?

Speaker 4 (08:39):
So this has more seafood, there seafood heavy. There is
venison that was heavily featured.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
I scoured the local areas I could not get venison.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Okay, so my apologies.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
I'm going to call my venison guy.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
You know, I was in Vermont, this is years ago,
and a guy was going to help me move some
furniture and he was late, and he came in and
he goes, you know, I was driving here and I
saw a deer and I got out and I had
my crossbow and you know, and I will what. So
he ended up killing the deer and then you know,

(09:13):
getting venison for his freezer for the next you know,
year or so, and then.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
Came over to help me move a chair. You actually
know this guy.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yes, And I'm like, like, I'm looking to see what,
like he's got blood all over his hands or is
there a deer on the hood of the car. But
he he was saying, yeah, man, venison, it's great. He goes,
I'm going to make you some venison. Stew I said, okay, yeah, Paul.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
I once said to this guy, our mutual friend, man,
crossbows are soft. I thought he's gonna take me out.
I thought he's got to thumb gouge my eye right there.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
I would never say somebody with a crossbow is sawt now,
never say that. All right, So we'll get a poll
question here. Brady Quinn will join us on loan from
Fox Sports. The big games coming up this weekend. I
spent a lot of time last night, probably over an
hour with each of my college football sources, and I'm
just kind of asking questions about Penn State, and you know,

(10:10):
they both listened. They said, you know, you're probably right,
Penn State made a mistake in firing James Franklin. If
you're going to fire somebody, who are you getting and
there's a lot of pressure, you know, and you know
the fact that you're firing him in October. I don't
know if it was, hey, we have our guy to
we need to get rid of this guy. And they,

(10:32):
from what I'm told, went after Mike Elko at Texas
A and m pretty hard. But right now maybe they
don't have a leader in the clubhouse. And Matt Ruhle
was never really a candidate. From what I was told,
he used it to get a contract extension at Nebraska.
But the thing that both of these college football sources
told me is what is going on at the high

(10:54):
school level with nil And they named names, but I'm
not going to of a football player who's in high
school and there's a bidding war between two major schools
and he has a two million he's in high school
senior year, he's got a two million dollar NIL package

(11:17):
and one school just up the ante and not necessarily
at a position where you would think you're getting two
million dollars, but plays at a you know, very good
high school and you got a bidding more. They're getting
into the the high school ranks. That's where they're starting now.
They're not waiting until you're transferring. These schools are going

(11:40):
after the high school kids. And they've been doing this again.
I don't want to be naive with this, but they
both laughed at you had these college coaches.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
These the collectives. That's what I was told.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
The collectives are going after these kids and paying this
amount of money. But also so if you don't go,
you have to pay back. If you don't stay, you
have to pay back. And I was told it was
two million dollars for one player, and they said, but
this is happening all over because okay, Nil. You know,

(12:17):
they even said Alabama used to have the money to
pay their players, but Alabama doesn't have oil money and
they don't have tech money. This is how they described it.
And so you know that's where Nick Saban was like,
I'm getting out of here, like I don't want I
don't you know, I don't want to deal with this
with Nil, with transfer and all that. And remember when

(12:37):
he had that, he was at a booster meeting or
you know, some kind of booster meeting in Tuscaloosa where
he was saying, hey, I mean we got to step
up and start spending like Texas A and M. We
got to keep up. And he's right, because A and
M is spending money. You got oil money, you got
tech money. But they both were talking about how you know,
coaches leaving coaches, you know, you know, being tampered with,

(13:01):
flirting with another job, and they just said there is
really no oversight committee and it's to the detriment of
college football. And they also talked about there's not going
to be an expansion for the playoffs in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
They think it'll happen in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
So we discussed a variety of things with coaches, with
you know, high school players, nil collect I mean crazy crazy.
They brought up Brady Quinn talking about how great Brady
has been helping Notre Dame. I mean he's part of
the collective team there getting money. Notre Dame is not

(13:37):
missing out on players. They were like, Nope, they're spending money.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yes, bawling.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
If you go back ten months ago, the star quarterback
Bryce Underwood, five star quarterback was going to go to
LSU Michigan, worked with Larry Ellison, founder of Oracle. He's
got multiple billions of dollars and supposedly his NIL deal
for four years is between ten and twelve point five
million dollars. And that was for an incoming freshman. Yeah,

(14:02):
I know. And he's got a chance this week and
earn it.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
That's tech money. But that's what this has come down to.
It's unlimited. The guy has an island in Hawaii.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
You know, it's not what they all do though, not
one of the five islands.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Hey it's Maui.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, doesn't Mark Zuckerberg own an island in Hawaii as well.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Is that the thing to do as a billionaire, even
though they're not convenient to own your own island?

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Larry Ellison owns about ninety eight percent of Lenai. Yeah, sure,
why not?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I mean, what do you buy after all of that,
the fact that you make enough money that you could
buy the NFL, and you could buy the NBA, and
you could buy me like you, you could have your
own leagues.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
You just say, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
What I'm thinking, I don't know an island. I'm going
to buy up every NFL franchise. What would that cost you?
Now you start with the Cowboys at what ten twelve
billion dollars? So let's say you spend one hundred billion
dollars and you have a couple of hundred billion.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
These guys are going to be trillionaires.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, PAULI, if you said the average NFL team is
worth seven billion dollars since two hundred and twenty billion dollars,
buy them all.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
And still have money left over, I mean that's wealth.
That's crazy wealth, stupid stupid wealth. I want to be
stupid like that.

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Speaker 6 (16:14):
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Speaker 12 (16:19):
Well, speaking of your big Cabays, your big TV game
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Like I said, Jim, Well, Pacio said something interesting about
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(16:43):
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Speaker 7 (16:52):
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Speaker 12 (16:55):
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Speaker 7 (16:59):
You like it or not, You're in the middle of
a Coveno on Rich Sandwich.

Speaker 12 (17:03):
Exactly, And who cares about the Thanksgiving Day parade?

Speaker 7 (17:07):
Watch us now?

Speaker 12 (17:07):
Like Rich said on YouTube, do you really care about
the return of Felix the Cat?

Speaker 7 (17:12):
Probably? You know, my kid out there knows Felix the Cat.

Speaker 10 (17:16):
Dude.

Speaker 6 (17:16):
My daughter wants to probably see the La Booboo float
or the Stranger Things float, or what's the new one
the K Pop demon Hunters.

Speaker 7 (17:25):
Well, Rich's head is equally as big.

Speaker 12 (17:27):
Tell them to watch pull that up on the TV
and enjoy so again. You also live chat on our
YouTube page Coveno and Rich FSR, Covino and Rich FSR.
But the biggest story today besides Turkey ass and friends
and family and being in your hometown and what am
I gonna wear to see the fam is football, of course.

Speaker 7 (17:48):
I mean a story.

Speaker 6 (17:49):
I mean football, particularly in my opinion, pay attention, listen up.
Hate to say this, Detroit Lions lose today.

Speaker 7 (17:58):
It's over.

Speaker 12 (18:00):
First and first mostly I want to say what action
pack games we have for this day? And I'm great
at just sitting there and watching people. I say, what's
your role?

Speaker 7 (18:08):
What are you bringing? I'm bringing myself.

Speaker 12 (18:10):
I already brought myself from La back to Jersey to
see the family.

Speaker 7 (18:14):
And I sit there and lamp.

Speaker 12 (18:15):
I'm lining the rest of the day watching TV, watching
these games and man Packers, Lions, Chiefs, Cowboys, Bengals, Ravens.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
Doesn't get much better than that. I know you think
that you're just staying out of the way, but you're
so unhelpful. Huh, I do nothing.

Speaker 7 (18:33):
Yeah, that's really my role.

Speaker 12 (18:34):
It's like, my biggest role is how could I eat
and not hate myself later on?

Speaker 7 (18:40):
Because yesterday I cracked.

Speaker 12 (18:41):
I coasted through the day yesterday, knowing that Thanksgiving was today,
I'm like, you know what, let me sort of eat
but not too much today and then by the end
of the day I cracked and I ate everything in sight.
It's almost impossible to eat healthy at mom's house or
wherever you're going.

Speaker 10 (18:57):
So you know, my.

Speaker 12 (18:58):
Job today is to is to eat, not hate myself,
and just not get up and watch some football.

Speaker 7 (19:05):
That's really it.

Speaker 12 (19:06):
And we got some great games, dude, It's gonna be
really great to just be chilling, enjoying a drink, enjoying
the holiday, being thankful and being thankful for these matchups.

Speaker 6 (19:15):
Well, let's let's dive in. That's no more dilly dally,
no Lions packers. Y know this this game means so
much more than we think. And you know it's the
backdrop of a holiday where you are sitting around with
your stinky uncle who is probably gonna, you know, argue
about politics at dinner later in the day. You're sitting
there with your cousins and siblings, and you know it's

(19:36):
a day of friends and family. But let's not forget
this game is so significant. And I'll say it again
if you didn't hear me, Lions lose today. I think
they're out. In fact, I think they're out because I've
been crunching the schedule.

Speaker 7 (19:50):
I love schedule watching.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
If you don't know, Kevin and Rich, I just really
overanalyze the schedule I'm the guy that looks ahead schedule watching. Yeah, yeah,
I look way too far ahead on the schedule every week.
In fact, I'm guilty of it in every sport. Like
some people sit back and just live in the moment.

Speaker 7 (20:07):
I feel like you've evolved it though.

Speaker 12 (20:09):
You're no longer the schedule watcher, which I used to
criticize you for. But I do feel the importance you've
You've really convinced me to be more of a schedule watcher,
and now you're the schedule cruncher.

Speaker 7 (20:21):
You like the captain crunch of crunch on this.

Speaker 6 (20:24):
I think it's BS when athletes say, well, not so
much BS, But I don't buy it when they're like,
you know, you know, we play today, we win today,
that's you know, uh, you know, I'm We're only.

Speaker 7 (20:36):
Worried about one game at a time.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
I get that sentiment, but it's human nature to be like,
all right, well then, what like you just said it
before you Your daughter had her sweet sixteen this past weekend,
and by the way, happy birthday to her.

Speaker 7 (20:47):
You're the dad of a pain in the ass teenage daughter.

Speaker 12 (20:49):
Yeah, Steve Cavino, true, yes and very very expensive.

Speaker 7 (20:53):
Yes, you yourself were.

Speaker 6 (20:55):
Like once I get passed the Sweet sixteen, and then I
gotta worry about the holidays. Like we're always working, yes,
always looking ahead as people.

Speaker 7 (21:02):
So I'm schedule watching it.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
I want to look at the Lions schedule and you
tell me, you look at in the eyes, in the alls,
tell me this isn't a pain in the ass schedule
if you're a Lions fan, Because then I want to
break down the NFC North and look at how difficult
all three of these teams schedules are moving forward. Because
we talked about it on our show, So if you

(21:23):
listen to us on the daily in the afternoon, we
talked about how the Lions, Packers, and Bears.

Speaker 7 (21:31):
Oh my, one of those teams is out.

Speaker 6 (21:33):
I'm convinced that the Seahawks and the Niners are both
making the playoffs. The Seahawks have a cake schedule, and
I think they're pretty good. I'm a Niners fan, and
I'm not being a homer when I say this. The
Niners next two games the Browns and the Titans. If
the forty nine Ers beat the Browns and the Titans,

(21:53):
they're ten and four, and I'd argue they don't have
to win one more game out of their final three.
Go eleven and six. You're in the Lions, Packers, and Bears.
Listen to these schedules. If the Lions lose today to
Green Bay, first of all, Matt Lafleur is gonna be
sweating a little less because that guy could possibly be
on the hot seat in Green Bay. Lions seven and four.

(22:16):
They lose today, they're seven and five, which is pedestrian.

Speaker 10 (22:21):
As they say.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
Then they got to play the Cowboys, And I said
to Danny g before the show, Danny, we're like, not
sleeping on the Cowboys, but they're like so just coasting
through this season that the tie they had with the
Packers is so indicative of how I feel about them.
They're still like, man, But if they win today, if
they upset the Chiefs on Thanksgiving Day in Dallas, not

(22:45):
impossible at all.

Speaker 7 (22:47):
They've changes their narrative a little bit.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
Yeah, they'd be six, five and one, So why we
make it seem like they're completely out of it. If
they went on a run, right, so they the Lions
would have to play the Cowboys next week. Then they
played the Rams in LA who you could argue is
the best team in the NFL.

Speaker 7 (23:05):
Then they play.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
The Vikings and the Bears, and to me, I just
think that the Packers. If the Packers beat the Lions today,
you can see Dan Campbell and Jared Goff just feeling
really like, wow, what a step backwards for a team
that would you say for the last couple of years
is everyone's like other than their own team was like, man,

(23:31):
it's really nice to see the Lions good again.

Speaker 12 (23:35):
It's the most detrimental for the Lions, no question, no dignity,
no doubt. The NFC North is stacked, and we're going
to see this all pan out and play out throughout
the day. I think we need to start by saying,
where were we with the Green Bay Packers early in
the season, right with Michael Parsons and everything, very high
on them. Let's keep that in mind and think about
where we are today. The Lions, however, here's how I

(23:58):
see it.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
Rich Oh, and they have to play this Steelers. That
was the one game I forgot. But that's again, that's
that's like one of those I.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
Don't know Steelers.

Speaker 12 (24:05):
We were very high on the Packers leading into this season,
but we've been high on the Lions for like the
past three years, and how much time do you really
get in the NFL to really make that impact and
really break through.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
You know you're the guy.

Speaker 12 (24:20):
I gotta quote Captain crunch Rich Davis, the Crunchberries, the Saggies.
You also say that, hmm, there's only little windows in
the NFL. And when you think about the Lions and
Dan Campbell and Jared Goff, this is their chance to
do it.

Speaker 7 (24:38):
If not now, what another year?

Speaker 12 (24:40):
You can give them another year to be dominant in
the NFL, another year to be dominant in this ever
changing NFC North where you got the Bears who are
looking legit it's now or never, like that old ESPN
show we used to host, It's.

Speaker 7 (24:55):
Now or Ever for the one ever. Honestly, that's how
I'm seeing it.

Speaker 12 (24:58):
And Jared Goff, he's thirty one, but he feels like
he's forty one.

Speaker 7 (25:02):
He feels like he's thirty.

Speaker 6 (25:03):
No, why he feels older because he was straight up
traded for Matthew Stafford and we're like, what Stafford thirty seven?
So when is GOP thirty seven? No that, but it
feels like it. It feels like it. It also feels
like he's had his chance with the Lions. The Lions
have come so close, They've played so tough, right, they've
proven to be like we've criticized Dan Campbell and his raw,
raw attitude at first, and he proved to be that guy.

(25:25):
And they proved to be that team to take chances
and they play tough and gritty.

Speaker 12 (25:29):
But they're not playing that same way this year seven
and four. This is the weekend they have to turn
it around. So when Rich and I agree, it's a
fact that Lions have to beat the Packers today at home,
and if they don't, I'd have to say that little
window that we're talking about, that little window of opportunity
is definitely closing if it's not.

Speaker 6 (25:48):
Now, Danny, we talk about these little windows, and we
want to assume that everyone's everyone peaks with a Super
Bowl appearance or win.

Speaker 7 (25:58):
Some teams peak and it's almost there, and that's the peak.

Speaker 13 (26:01):
Sometimes windows get jammed up, though, because Detroit lost their
offensive coordinator Ben Johnson.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
Now Ben Johnson, you could see that something's just not
clicking right.

Speaker 13 (26:11):
You hear that on radio and TV shows, but you
also don't hear anyone mention anymore. That they also lost
their defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn and then so that.

Speaker 10 (26:19):
Hurts as well.

Speaker 7 (26:20):
Samuel Porta.

Speaker 13 (26:21):
Yeah, their center Frank Ragnow who is coming back now
retired not coming back for them, and guard they're one
of their best guards signed with the Titans. So there
is some context to this. It's not like all of
a sudden they woke up and they stink.

Speaker 6 (26:34):
Well, that's what happens, as you know, when a team,
when a team is good, and this happens in all sports,
but especially the NFL, a team gets good, all of
a sudden, everyone wants to and deserves to get paid,
and you can't really keep that team fully intact anymore.
If you're really good, you know what happens. Your offensive
and defensive coordinator start to get opportunities to head coach

(26:56):
other places. Your your role players get the most money
role players could get, and your star players on the
top of the tier for wide receiver, quarterback, tight end.
So it's very hard to keep a dynasty together. And
the Lions right now are a very big crossroads today
Thanksgiving where they've lost seven of their last eight Thanksgiving

(27:17):
Day games.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
Now, I know they weren't really good for most of
those years.

Speaker 12 (27:19):
But dude, this is such a big crossroads. I saw
bone thugs in Harmony just check.

Speaker 10 (27:25):
By the way.

Speaker 13 (27:26):
I know it's not sexy football talk to talk about
the line in the center, but we heard Isaac Lohenkron
on our afternoon show yesterday talk about how rag Now
is going to come out of retirement. The Lions could
see him return against the Rams.

Speaker 7 (27:41):
Oh wow.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
So yeah, and he's a big deal. He was a
four time Pro Bowl makes a big difference. And you
know we've seen it with certain players in the NFL.
You see with Joe Alt for the Chargers, you lose,
or big Trent Williams for the Niners. If one of
your big linemen are down, like a star player, that
changes the whole complexity of like every Just.

Speaker 7 (27:58):
Ask the Chargers as the raider.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (28:01):
So, but again, we can't be surprised if it doesn't
go the Lions way today when you think about again
how quick the narratives change and how high we were
on the Packers leading into the season, right so we're
starting to see those things paying out.

Speaker 7 (28:13):
But I think we've made it clear.

Speaker 12 (28:15):
Fox Sports Radio Nation, Dan Patrick Nation, this is the
biggest for the Lions right now.

Speaker 7 (28:20):
It's their time. They have to make it happen.

Speaker 12 (28:22):
They have to win today if they want to see
the playoffs, if they want to make that impact. And
we want to know what you think about the NFC
North Bears, Packers, Lions, Vikings. What do you think in
eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox, we're telling you
what we're thinking here.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
He said, Vikings. And the funny part is like such
a non factor, but not really. You know why they'll
because the Vikings could very well be the team that
f's up someone's little mission or a goal. Like Division
games are never easy because these teams know each other,
there's history, this rivalry is like, so what if the
Vikings are the team that.

Speaker 7 (28:58):
Or what if Wretch the Bear really are that good?

Speaker 12 (29:01):
Of all the teams that we speak of, they're the
ones you sleep on the most, and they're eight and three,
and they're the ones that have been consistently better and
better every week. I don't want to sound like a
broken record, but on our show, I'm telling you they're
like a stock that just keeps going up.

Speaker 7 (29:14):
They're just going up and looking better every week.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
The Bears are what happens when a plan works out
the way you think it will. Like, all right, we're
gonna get Ben Johnson and he what he's gonna do
is he's gonna, you know, really be an asset to
Caleb Williams and you'll see, and it's working out the
way they wanted. Chicago crap never works out that way.
But it is working out perfectly. But you know, dare

(29:38):
I look at the schedule just a little more.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Oh the rich loves to look at the schedule. Get schedule,
watch it.

Speaker 7 (29:46):
I love looking at the schedule.

Speaker 6 (29:47):
And I'm sorry if it's a pay the st but
let me break something down because I said the Lions
are seven and four.

Speaker 7 (29:52):
They have a tough road ahead.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
They could go five hund though the rest of the way,
and I don't know if that's enough. Because we've talked
about how in the NFC, I think eleven and six
is that magic record that will get you into the postseason.
I think ten and seven will not make the playoffs,
except for the winner of the NFC South, which is
probably gonna be like the Bucks at nine and eight
or something. I know we're still a little while away.

(30:13):
I don't want to look too much ahead. But here
I am getting down on the Lions. I want to
hear from you guys, Dan Patrick, Dan at Nation, because
I feel like you can make that same argument that
if all right, well, if the Packers lose today, they're
seven to four and one, they have to play the
Bears twice, they have to play the.

Speaker 7 (30:30):
Ravens and the Broncos.

Speaker 6 (30:33):
The Ravens fighting for their division, the Broncos one of
the best AFC teams.

Speaker 7 (30:37):
So you can see the Packers falling apart.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
And there's this weird sentiment that, you know, six weeks ago,
we're like, man, they got Michael Parsons, this team's the
team to be, and then all of a sudden, they've
played average. Jordan Loves had some good moments, but I
think we also want to just believe that, man, the
Packers are a quarterback machine.

Speaker 7 (30:56):
Like they go from you know.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
Brett Farve to Aaron Rodgers and then Jordan Love, like
we like too quick to think Jordan Love's in that progression,
like hold up, maybe not, I don't know, and then
your Bears your bear here.

Speaker 12 (31:11):
People have been saying who are the Packers and their identity?

Speaker 7 (31:14):
Whose are they?

Speaker 12 (31:17):
With that schedule will coming up, you're gonna find out
real quick who they really are because that's competitive.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
All right, Let's let's do the Bears schedule, and then
we'll take your feedback at eight seven, seven nine nine
on Fox.

Speaker 7 (31:29):
Appreciate it if you're listening.

Speaker 6 (31:30):
On the app, if you're on your way to Grandma's
house or driving around eight seven, seven nine nine on Fox.
Cavino and Rich try to keep it as interactive as possible.
Love filling in for Dan Patrick. I'll give you the
Bears final six games. Now, I don't I don't want
to be a pain in the assen and make you
do this, but I'm going to. All right, they play
tomorrow Black Friday, in arguably their biggest game of the

(31:53):
year because they're eight and three, a test of all tests.
They go to Philadelphia. Let's say the Eagles win, little
little uh maybe maybe you could argue, hey, it's a
close game, but we'll give experience and home field to
the Eagles tomorrow. And that's how that's how you may

(32:13):
look at it. Or what Eagles are favored by seven?
I thought that would be like three and a half
or so seven. So Vegas the Bears and they're nine
and three, all right, but.

Speaker 7 (32:22):
Let's let's let's be negative.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
Uh, Norbertos for a second, Jose, let's be negative nancies.
Let's say let's say the Eagles just outclassed them. Okay,
now they're eight and four. They played two games against
the Packers. Still, let's say they split those games, right,
nine and five? One lost one win? Right, you know,
a little push. They beat the Browns. Now they're ten

(32:45):
and five. They play the forty nine ers in the Lions. Wow,
one and one, so they mayn't eleven and six like
eleven and six I think is a conservative.

Speaker 7 (33:00):
I think that's fair to say, right, because the Niners
are gonna edule.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
Yeah, so I think today, So I'll stick by my
original feeling that whoever loses today, Packers or Lions.

Speaker 7 (33:16):
Out out. I'm pretty sure Danny g agrees.

Speaker 12 (33:24):
I think the whole show agrees that is most important
for the Lions right now.

Speaker 6 (33:28):
I hate to say it because again I think all
these teams are fun. But you know what, through everyone
for a loop, the NFC West having three teams that
are going to have double digit wins because I thought,
I think a lot of people thought that the forty
nine ers would either struggle if people were hurt, and
they've actually Kyle Shanahan's out coached the world.

Speaker 7 (33:51):
The Rams are really good. No one thought they'd be
that good.

Speaker 6 (33:54):
I mean, Matthew Stafford's been as healthy as could be
and the Coup is the only guy banged up for
a little bit and he's back. And the Seahawks that
that team, like if we're trying to figure out their identity,
how about Terry Denny's just that they're really good and
Sam Darnold's playing like a g Like.

Speaker 7 (34:09):
That team's surprised the hell out of me.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
So I think because the NFC West had the weakest
out of conference schedule, out of division schedule, they're all
double digit win teams, a lot of tough games for
the NFC North. So one of those three powerhouse teams
is out. And I think I think it's very clear
that whoever loses today A is not going to get
a Turkey leg and they're not Turkey and there and

(34:32):
then no Turkey ass.

Speaker 7 (34:34):
That's the best part.

Speaker 6 (34:35):
So whoever loses today, Jared Goff might be walking away
without turkey as and without a playoff spot.

Speaker 7 (34:43):
You know what the toughest part is.

Speaker 12 (34:44):
Then you're saying all this, you're getting me excited, right, Hey, rich,
great job, crunching numbers, crunching schedule.

Speaker 7 (34:50):
I just love what I know. Yeah, I don't care
about the prey today.

Speaker 12 (34:54):
I'm not even caring that much about the Turkey as
I am really caring about these games. And that's what
we're trying to do, get you pumped about it and
trying to see what you think about it.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
Think of how many years, Think of how many years
we watched a meaningless like Bears Lions Thanksgiving game just
because it was tradition and they were both under five hundred.
Today we have games of significance, and that is significant
because usually it's like, oh, background football, we love it,
it's Thanksgiving.

Speaker 7 (35:17):
We actually have games that are worthy of paying attention to.
But dude, get this. I'm so glad you said that. Okay,
timmy noil breaks.

Speaker 12 (35:25):
Get this, games that you want to pay attention to,
because why usually it's just background fun while you're stuff
in your face and chatting it up with Uncle Bart.

Speaker 7 (35:34):
Right if Uncle Fred and your little uncle Bart's already
drunk at lunch talk, No, but.

Speaker 12 (35:39):
You got your little nieces and nephews and family there, right,
it's kind of hard to really chop it up and
pay attention to whatever nonsense they're yapping about. When you're
so glued on these games that matter for once, it's
going to be so hard to be engaged with your
family that you never see when you're really focused in
on these games. H yeah, I guess wah wah your

(36:01):
uncle uh, your uncle Fred and aunt fanny'.

Speaker 7 (36:03):
Wah wah wah wah. You're like, yeah, yeah, uncle Frank,
tell me tell me more.

Speaker 6 (36:08):
You say you went on a cruise white Oh wow,
Royal Caribbean Carnival, which, oh that sounds great. Oh so
oh you met another couple on the cruise from Oh,
that's tell me more.

Speaker 12 (36:19):
You were not going to care about anything anyone saying today.
Good luck trying to pay attention to that when you
got these games.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
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Speaker 14 (36:37):
This is a man who I think the nerves are
a little heightened this weekend.

Speaker 10 (36:43):
Yeah you can. That's a big nervous. It's a big nervous.

Speaker 7 (36:49):
Is this the Ohio State fight song?

Speaker 5 (36:52):
Is this?

Speaker 7 (36:53):
Is this the Ohio do we have this correct? Is
this the one?

Speaker 5 (36:56):
A B?

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Is this the one?

Speaker 5 (36:58):
Yeah? Thanks for getting my nerves.

Speaker 7 (36:59):
Okay, I've rat to.

Speaker 14 (37:00):
Get you got to be nervous, man, I just uh,
I mean, Ryan Day's got an interesting approach. I don't
know if you saw the news auber Breer, but Ryan
Days having the team fly in as opposed to that.

Speaker 5 (37:12):
Yeah, which I would think, like, actually it would take
longer because thinking about it, it's like a little under
three hours if you're driving right, like and if you're
driving the high drive anyway, and so like if you're
talking about like going to the airport boarding and I

(37:32):
know this charger, but like going to the airport boarding
getting off in Detroit, and then it's like still another
whatever twenty five minutes from an arbor, Like I would
think that would take longer, right, Am I wrong about that?

Speaker 15 (37:48):
I think you're reaching, Abe. I think you're reaching because
you're trying to end your mind justify if it goes wrong.
Why they should have just want to hit and drove
in the buses as opposed to you're going to start
it as the origin of messing up this year's game
was the fact that Ryan Day chose to fly instead

(38:09):
of draft.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
Oh no, but this out logistically, I'm a travel condo sewer.

Speaker 10 (38:14):
So I'm just saying what it sounds like. Abe, That's
what I'm just. I just want you to say.

Speaker 15 (38:20):
I just want you to understand what the listener is
hearing from you right now.

Speaker 10 (38:24):
That's that's that's all I want.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, I'm just I'm actually just like,
you know, looking at this because I'm I'm kind of
like a I'm I'm like a doctor of travel. Basically,
this based on all the travel I've done. So I
just I like to analyze these things, you know, from
a from a pure fact standpoint. And I'm not sure.

(38:46):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure what will be faster.
I think driving might be faster.

Speaker 10 (38:50):
Do you really think so, I mean that's interesting.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
I think so. Yeah. Well it's like two hundred it's
two hundred miles, right, so it's it's it's almost like
exactly two hundred miles. So you figure you can do
that in three hours. Okay, So if you do that
in three hours, like it probably takes you, i don't know,
fifteen minutes to get from fifteen twenty minutes get from
campus to the airport? Then how long does it take

(39:14):
you to board the plane?

Speaker 10 (39:15):
Right? Like probably like forty five to an hour.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
You're probably in the air for it's probably like a
half hour forty five minutes in the air. Right then
you land, you taxi, you d plane, you get on
another bus, Like I think how far as that bus?
More than three hours? Huh?

Speaker 10 (39:33):
How much is how far is the bus from the
hotel from where you're going?

Speaker 5 (39:36):
Well in art because the Detroit airports like halfway between
actual Detroit Man Arbor, So it's like twenty five minutes.

Speaker 10 (39:45):
It might be quicker. It sounds a little quicker.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
Huh.

Speaker 10 (39:50):
It sounds a little quicker to fly. Maybe not that much,
but maybe a little quicker.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
It's cool.

Speaker 10 (39:56):
It might it might be too.

Speaker 15 (39:58):
Close to to like split hairs on it is what
you're trying to say.

Speaker 10 (40:03):
So they should should they drive? So should they have draft? Baby?

Speaker 5 (40:07):
I don't mind. I don't mind. No, I don't I
don't mind. I don't mind keeping the routine. I think
that that was smart by Ryan to keep the routine.
I'm just again like I'm way too interested in these
sorts of questions.

Speaker 14 (40:21):
Well, we're gonna get your uh, your your pick on
the game, like we do every single week when you
join us on Fox Sports Radio. But I did want
to ask you, based on what we saw last night,
because look, Joe Burrow gives them a boost, they come back,
Cincinnati wins that game, what's wrong with Baltimore because, like, honestly,
because it just it hasn't looked good really all year

(40:44):
outside of a couple of spots, but Lamar Jackson does
not look like the same player.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
Well, and I think that's sort of what it comes
down to. I think their defense is fine for the
most part, like I, and I think like what you
saw last night was one of the best players in
football coming back into the lineup in the second half
of that game really looking like himself, you know, which
you would expect Joe Burrow to be able to, you know,
create generate offense, you know, no matter who's on the

(41:09):
other side. So that was, you know, obviously part of
the equation. But I do think the Baltimore defense has
played pretty well on balance over the course of the year.
So then you know, like you then then the next
question would be where's the offense at? And like, really,
to me, that offense is not like the same all year,

(41:30):
and you know, I think if we're going back to
when Lamar got hurt, right like, and how that affects them.
Like I thought last night, like for the first time,
it does look like he's start he's starting to get
the juice back in his legs right like where you
can still you can still you know, pull it and
run it the way that he's always been able to.

(41:50):
We started to see that come back, like last night,
I think he saw it. I just wonder, like, you know,
like does this injury. Has this injury had an effect
his mechanics, because you know, quarterbacks like little things can
screw up, screw up things to the point where it's like, okay,
like maybe it's not the most noticeable thing in the world,
but you can throw your accuracy off a little bit,

(42:12):
you know, or it can make you It can it
can it can cause a little bit of like a
tweak in the way you play that needs to be
fixed when you get to the offseason. So, you know,
Lamar is still a great, great player, but we're so
used to him being, you know, in that group of
four quarterbacks with him and Burrow and Mahomes and Allen,

(42:33):
and it's just like again, like not like he's falling
off the face of the earth. But they don't look
as dangerous offensively as they have and it'll be interesting
to see if they can get that together. Because remember,
as you know, up and down as things have been,
they they did win five in a row going into
last night's game, and the rest of their schedule is

(42:53):
pretty interesting. They'll play the Steelers twice. They got to
play the Bengals again in two weeks, so you know,
as strange as it sounds, for two is coming in
last night, three and eight, Like the door is still
open for the Bengals to win the AFC North. They
need some help for sure, but like there's a way

(43:14):
for it to happen if they swoop the Ravens. The
Ravens are up to seven losses then, and so the
Ravens would only need to lose one more game, and
the Ravens play the Steelers twice. I believe they got
the Lions in there too, where it'd be like you
could easily see them losing one more game, and if
the Steelers level off like now all of a sudden,
if the Bengals can run the table, and that's a

(43:35):
lot to ask, but the Bengals run the table now
all of a sudden, they can seek in the playoffs.

Speaker 15 (43:41):
I think you're absolutely correct. In fact, I feel like
that's what I explained to Jonas early on in.

Speaker 10 (43:47):
The show, by the way, So there you go. I
like your reasoning right there.

Speaker 15 (43:51):
Ab Let me ask you about another team that finds
themselves in maybe a compromising position right now based off
of what Mike Vrabel has been able to do in
New England.

Speaker 10 (44:04):
Are the Buffalo.

Speaker 7 (44:05):
Bills are they plateauing?

Speaker 15 (44:07):
Are are they hitting a ceiling of sorts in terms
of what we should expect and anticipate from them.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
Yeah, there's some interesting questions with them, LeVar, like I
so like, I mean, one is like they do need
to get healthier, right so they won't get Oliver back
until the playoffs, but that's obviously a huge piece for
them to lose, and they're relying on some younger guys
like Walker and Sanders to pick up the slack for

(44:35):
them on the interior of the d line, which is
a big deal, right Like, and then not having Dalton
Kincaid that was that was an issue. I mean, the
collapse of Keon Coleman like that hurt as well, which
part of the reason why they're bring in Brandon Cooks. Yeah,
I think the overarching question now become one at such
a high level with that core that they built around

(44:55):
Josh Allen. You know five, six, seven years ago when
you guys like Hide and Employer and Stefan Diggs and
and you know, that group was able to win at
a high level. And now what you've done is you've
effectively replaced that group with some homegrown talent. And so
you paid Rousseau, you paid Khalil Shakir, you paid James Cook,

(45:18):
you paid Terrell Bernard, you paid Christian Benford. So, like
a lot of people said, it's a window closing, I
don't think that's it. Like I think where it is
is this group that you've paid isn't good enough, you
know what I mean? And was that money well spent?
And I think we know how good the quarterback is,
but there's a lot more to it than just the
quarterback here, and so I think seeing that part of

(45:40):
it play out is going to be the interesting thing
because they really need those guys that they paid, those
guys that they've invested in to be part of the
new corps. That replaced the first corps that Josh won
with to step up and and be who you know,
like they thought those guys were going to be able
to be when they paid them.

Speaker 14 (46:00):
Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior NFL
reporter at the MMQB dot com. You can get him
on X at Albert Breer. We kind of made mention
of this a little bit last hour because you know
we're watching, you know, you're going to see the Bears
play later on NFC North.

Speaker 7 (46:16):
Things are headed in the right direction. It seems like
you see the.

Speaker 14 (46:19):
Packers and the Lions teams that are still good teams,
and then you got the Vikings and how patient are
they going to be with JJ McCarthy knowing they let
Sam Darnold walk, they let Daniel Jones walk, and this
is the result.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
So like I I think there are two layers there
this year and then there's the future. Right so for
this year, like Max Brosmer did enough, you know in
the summer where they would and I talked to people
that have said this, like they would really like to
see what he looks like in a regular season game,

(46:59):
and they know I have that opportunity was going to
present itself, but he had done enough where it was like,
you know, we'd really like to see what this kid
could do at some point, right, And so there's that
piece of it, and that could happen. It looks like
it's going to happen organically this week with with McCarthy's concussion, right,
so you know, if JJ's out this week, then they

(47:21):
get a look at Max Brosmer, and then you know,
the question becomes like is Brozmer a better option if
he plays really well for the rest of the year,
you know, And then there's a second level to it,
which is what does this mean for the future. Well,
you know, I think a big piece of the rest
of this year for them was like we need answers

(47:44):
on JJ McCarthy now, and we need to figure out
who he is now so we can start to plan
for twenty twenty six and going forward. And you know, really,
for them what that's about. It's not like they want
to continue to develop JJ. There's a lot of stuff
they love about JJ, but this isn't a rebuilding team.
And I've said this to you guys since March and April,

(48:05):
right when they did try to bring DJ back, and
they did try to bring Sam back. Like this is
a team that's got a lot of proud veteran players
that are the primes of their career, right Like, so
like if I'm justin Jefferson or Jordan Addison or Christian
Darisaw or Jonathan Gernard or Andrew Van Ginkel, like like
I don't want to hear that, Like you know, like

(48:25):
we're going to spend another year figuring this out. Like
you got to have answers on the roster for those guys, right, Like,
this isn't a team that can just throw seasons overboard
in the name of quarterback development. So like I think
JJ has to earn his spot for twenty six and
then he plays great the rest of the year, they
go in the playoffs and make some noise, then he's
a quarterback. If it looks like it's looked, I fully

(48:46):
expect that they're going to bring in competition for him
next year, you know, So like there's a lot on
the line, I think, and again, like it's not necessarily
JJ's fault, but like this is a double edged swort
of going to a place like this. When he was drafted,
everybody's like, well, that's a great spot to go, and
it was you know what I mean, absolutely is a
great spot to go with Kevin O'Connell and the receivers

(49:06):
they have in the line, they have all that different stuff.
The other edge to that sword, though, is that like
a place like that isn't going to be as app
to wait for you. You know, It's kind of like
San Francisco back a few years ago with Trey Lance.
It was like that team could not wait for Trey
Lance to develop. That team needed an answer and in

(49:27):
the president, and they got that answer with proc party
and they moved forward. So there's some similarities between this
situation and where the Niners were a few years ago
with Trey Lance.

Speaker 15 (49:36):
How are how are the internals looking at what's going
on in Las Vegas?

Speaker 10 (49:43):
Ab? I mean that to me?

Speaker 15 (49:45):
You know, everybody was making a huh hooray about Tom
Brady and his ability to get information and make this
this Vegas team Super Bowl competitor. They bring in Pete Carroll,
My goodness, everything they he got a hold of Pete
Carroll's old quarterback. He rejuvenated Geno Smith's career. Where are

(50:06):
we right now and how we're viewing the Las Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
Well, that information, I guess hasn't helped them with Son, right, Yeah,
I mean I think there's some push and pull here, LeVar.
I mean, obviously you got a coaching staff that was older,
that had a bunch of guys that were kind of
matched together, right, so, you know, like Pete Carroll had
not worked before with Chip Kelly, Pete Carroll had not

(50:32):
worked before the d C. Patrick Graham either, you know.
And you know, I think a lot of this was
on the coaching side put together to like how competitive
can we become right now? And you know, I think
for the front office there's like a little bit of
a different look at this where this was never going
to be a one off season rebuild. It was always

(50:52):
going to take longer than that. You know, like the
roster they inherited, need to work in just about every
single way, you know, and so like I think that's
been where there's been some level of tension. I mean,
even going back to like the trade deadline, you know,
where where they had players that they could have flipped,
you know for picks going forward, and part of not

(51:13):
doing that was having a coaching staff that wanted to
compete in here and now and so now you're sort
of left in this in between. You fired your offensive
coordinator and it's like, okay, like, well what's next.

Speaker 10 (51:25):
And I.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
Honestly look at it like this is still a multi
off season rebuild. It's still going to take, you know,
a couple of years to get this thing where they
where they want to bring it, where it can be
a real contender for a championship. And you know, I
think because of that, there are gonna be some big
picture questions that are going to be asked about all
kinds of areas of that operation coming out of the

(51:52):
twenty twenty five season. And I expect that Tom Brady's
gonna be a big part of that, of course, you know,
as he has been. But you know, thus far, I mean,
it's just I guess what you're looking for is like
just the little pieces of progress, right like that gives
you something to hang your hat on going into next year.
And we haven't gotten a lot of those yet.

Speaker 14 (52:10):
Albert, Is there any coach that is maybe potentially coaching
for his job down the stretch here in the last
handful of games that might be a surprise to some people,
maybe the seat more than some know.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
I mean, I think we all know, like Mike McDaniel
is going to be in that position right like, just
because we don't know who the general manager is going
to be, you know, going forward obviously, like you already
have a couple of openings, you know, the Giants and
the Titans eating coaches. I'm just trying to think of, like,
I mean, you know, the one that like people keep
talking about and I think he's a fantastic coach, but

(52:45):
like Todd Bowles in Tampa, like if they were to
really collapse down the stretch, like I I wonder a
little bit in that in that one, you know, because
I do think like when you've talked about it for
as many years and it's come up for as many
years as it come up in as many years as
it has, is that one where it's like all right,

(53:08):
like you know, you know, we're building behind Baker Mayfield
now and this is a natural spot to make a change,
you know. I think the one that everybody's gonna bring up,
the two that everybody are going to bring up, like
if the seasons go the wrong way, are going to
be Baltimore and Pittsburgh. Now, I don't think those teams
would ever fire those guys, but like there's going to
be that well, you know, next year would be Tomlin's

(53:29):
twentieth year in Pittsburgh. Next year would be Harbot's nineteenth
year in Baltimore. And so, you know, I think if
if those teams disappoint down the stretch, you know, those
conversations are certainly going to happen out in the public.
You know, Privately, I think it would be more about
like is this time you know what I mean, rather
than being any sort of firing. So you know, we'll

(53:51):
see what happens with those. And I'm just trying to think.
I know there's one that I'm forgetting right now that
I'm going to kick myself for forgetting to bring up
with you guys.

Speaker 14 (53:59):
Mc Did you mentioned McDermott.

Speaker 7 (54:01):
I know we talked about earlier.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
I don't get I don't get any sense like that
internally they're having those discussions. However, you know, I think
the the I may have I've said this a few
different times. I may have said it to you guys before.
I can't remember, but I I like like I sort
of looked at like look at a little bit like
Tony Dungee and Tampa if you remember back in the day,

(54:23):
Tony Dungee did such an incredible job of of and
you guys remember, and you guys, you guys remember how
terrible they were before he got there. They were they
were not just the laughing stock of the NFL. They
were like one of the laughing stocks in all his sports.
And Tony Dungee got there, and he completely changed that

(54:44):
place and built you know, historic defense with you John
Lynch and Derek Brooks and Warren Sapp and ron Da
des Harper. Yeah, and then that and that and and
and and he did such an awesome job. But they've
been knocking on the door for so long, and because
they had that defense, the urgency was amped up. And
then if you remember, at the end of the twenty

(55:06):
one at the end of the one season, they started
flirting with Bill Parcells and almost got him and then
wound up trading for John Gruden. And you do wonder
if like for the same reason there was urgency in
Tampa back then, because it was like, we're only going
to have this defense for so long. If like eventually
in Buffalo gets the point with Josh Allen now he's
turning thirty in May where it's like, all right, like,

(55:28):
you know, we really need to find a way to
maximize what we have here to chase a championship. So
that would be the sort of comparison. But I don't think, like,
not to my knowledge anyway, any of those conversations have
happened yet internally.

Speaker 14 (55:41):
All right, ab moment true, moment of true there, So
now's the time has arrived. Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB and the Pride of Ohio State. Do
you feel like, at the end of Saturday's game in
an arbor that the Ohio State Buck guys will have
won that game by more than nine and a half points.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
It's down at nine and a half. Now hockey gets down.

Speaker 7 (56:07):
Oh, wasn't it twelve? I thought it was twelve.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
Four and a half. It was going to have at
one point then I think, I don't know. I the
last I heard it was ten and a half. So yeah,
it's under ten now, yikes. I think they will. You know,
I picked them a cover last week and they did
right without Carnell and without JJ.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
All right, So, like what the way I feel about
the game right now is like a lot of people
are gonna be focused on our receivers and whether they
play or not. I really like our defense with all
the first round picks on it, and that coordinator going

(56:51):
up against the young quarterback that I think could wind
up being the key to the whole thing. And so
like I I, you know, like I just I don't
know how Michigan's going to score on on Ohio. Ohio
State hasn't really been scored on all year, you know,
So like if Michigan the team to break through that,
I don't think so. And again like this is I'm saying,

(57:14):
I think I'm not like pounding my chest here because
I've one of my less non doing that. I do
respect the rivalry more than some people on the other
side do.

Speaker 7 (57:22):
Wow, there you go.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
But but but but I would say, like that to
me is the key is like if this Patricia defense
is keeping them to ten or thirteen or fourteen or
seventeen points, like I, I don't know how you keep
the Ohio State offense under twenty.

Speaker 14 (57:43):
And also, you know, Matt Patrice has probably got a
red ass going back to Michigan. He probably he's got
a point to prove.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
Yeah, yeah, well there might be some things planned. I
mean this will be interesting too. Yeah. I think that
that group, that that Ohio State group, I will say this,
I don't Ohio State defensive group loves Matt and I
think they understand where where where this game is being
played and what it might mean to Matt to be
able to pull that off. And so yeah, I think

(58:10):
there's that element of it too. I I don't know.
I was so confident last year, and there was like
because before that, like the three years before that, like
Michigan had really good teams. I don't think they were
the better team in every one of those three years,
but like they had you know, however, it may have happened,
got themselves up to our level for a temporary period

(58:32):
of time and this one. But last year was not
last year was last year? Last year I would say,
changed Ryan Day in a way that I think is
going to show up on set nice. Oh yeah, that
part of the place. What do you guys think I would?

Speaker 7 (58:51):
I would lean in your direction.

Speaker 14 (58:53):
I just wanted to come down to the wire though,
Like I wanted to come down to the wire if
I had to bet on State. But I don't have
a I don't have a I don't have an interest
either way. I just want to see entertaining finish.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
I mean, look last week last year, I was in
that parking lot. It was like five degrees. I flew
in the morning of I was like shot out of
a cannon, like you know, seven eight ers deep by
like ten thirty eight coming off the plane. And I
remember saying to my buddy killing I was. We were
in the parking lot and I was like, I was like,

(59:25):
I like, everybody come buy, buys, tickases games, wanting to
see a classic. I'm like, f Dad, I don't want
to see a classic. I want this. I want this
to be the worst blowout they've ever seen. I want
that stadium to be a party after the game. And again,
like I've learned some lessons, I don't care if the
wins by one or fifty.

Speaker 7 (59:42):
Just get it done well.

Speaker 14 (59:43):
AB It's going to be fun, and we appreciate you
joining us. As always, we're up against it. But the
great Albert Breer here with this on The Dan Patrick Show.