Chicken Wars

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like a sack of corn meal back in the day,
like someone who used to deliver the milk in olden days,
or deliver ice. You know, there were guys who drove
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up every day and be right. Over the years, I've
turned into the King Solomon of the Internet. Great judgment,
rigorous analysis of fact patterns, rarely if ever proven to
be wrong. Yesterday was another such day. I came on

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here and I said, Man, this Kyrie Irving Lebron James
drama of Lebron James wanting to kick Kyrie Irving's ass
is gonna dominate the news cycle everywhere. It's gonna be
the number one story. And you know what, there were

(01:47):
doubters in the land. There were people out there, including
some on this very show, who came to me and said, Clay,
you're wrong, Clay. I don't know what you're thinking, Clay.
I'm gonna have to question you here. Clay, lunacy has
taken over your brain. You may once have been the
King Solomon of the Internet and the most consistently right

(02:12):
man on the radio, but those days have passed. You've
lost your fastball, give up your ghost. And to those people,
I respond with this doing I don't even know if
I can fist. He won't be so prooky in about

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five minutes. He will be here live in studio later
in the show, but we've got to start with the
feud between Lebron and Kyrie. Stephen A. Smith cited sources
in Lebron's camp. I'm saying, quote, if Kyrie Irving was
in front of Lebron James right now. Lebron would be
tempted to eat his ass. Are Steve Nay Smith reporting
that Lebron James is so upset to have been made

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a part of the conversation, he'd be tempted to fight
Kai read I had sources in Lebron James camp literally
tell me and I'm quoteing, Kyrie Irvin was in front
of Lebron James right now, Lebron James would be tempted
quote to beat his ass. Interesting take their your take

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on that information. It's hard to believe. And now I
totally believe steven A and I total believe believe that
Lebron's camp said this to steven A. Would I have
a hard time believing that it's a genuine anger coming
from Lebron his camp. Look what did they expect? Karie
Irvin was in front of Lebron James right now, Lebron

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James would be tempted quote to beat his started the
show with the drama. Let's continue to get more on
the calves from our day. In the commendum and David
seeming like the relationship between Lebron and Kyrie is in
some serious trouble. Has it reached the point in our return?
Number one story, My thanks to Danny G. That was

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under sputed, that was first take, that was Sports Center
rents repeat all day long. Number one story. Go check
my twitter feed, ESPN's top news all this story and
do we have this? Last night not content Still at

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nine thirty pm Central my time, ten thirty Eastern Sports
Center sent this out to their thirty four million Twitter followers.
Do we have that audio? Here's stephen a not backing down.
All right, We're gonna have that. I thought I was

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almost perfect. Please play it because it backs up everywhere
I said. I can't wait to hear it because I
have already heard it, and it backs up every freaking
thing I said yesterday. More. You have everything you were
Jason Martin, you were dunked on of which has never quiet.
Danny G got to make you, gonta make facts you can't,

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Danny G. Is there any doubt that Jason Martin lost this?
That Jason No, I mean yes, it's absolutely. It was
not a headline anywhere. It's still a headline right now.
You were out. You would this is the worst argument
the history this show. You'd be quiet for a minute,
I'm bringing in partial. I thought the bet was that
it wasn't really going to be a story on any

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of the other shows. A news story. Not on other shows.
Of course, a piners are gonna do. It's the only
thing they do is from a news story. It was everywhere.
It was the lead news story on ESPN dot com.
It was not it's not right now. It was a
strange argument, Jason, go check my twitter feed, I said,
check the photos I sent out at ten thirty yesterday morning,

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after Lebron even tweeted about it, where it still wasn't
s I or esp This is this is the worst
argument of history. The show you take a seat. The
argument was, the argument was this is gonna be the
number one story in sport. And I'm not even sure
it was the way It wasn't even there wasn't even
a close now are you sure about that? Yes, Lucky
Whitehead was everywhere yesterday. The CT story was everywhere yesterday.

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This was this dwarfed you you coming in here, this
fight line was my points Lebron fight coming in this
morning and making a Lucky Whitehead argument is a disgrace
to your and drive for three hours to Atlanta and

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just listen to this show that you know what you
said to Atlanta, and then turn around and drive back.
That's what you should be doing. Whatever you remember Monday,
You remember Monday when you asked what the biggest story was,
I thought, and I said that it was Kyrie versus Lebron.
I still believed it was Kyrie versus Lebron. My point
was that the fight line was not going to be
any kind of a big deal. And even on some
of the cuts that you played, in particular the one

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where stephen A is actually the host and where they
are most actually ingrained in making him a big star,
they did five minute on it, immediately went to Derrick Ross.
They did not even talk. They did open with it
because audio that they spent nine minutes on it, none
that it's on the full calv story and two minutes.
We've done television for years. When you open with a

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story that has a clear indication that it is the
A block, it is the number one story, you need
to sit out. Let's bring in Danny g and just
as false. This is totally false. Gonna turn off on
MIC and go home if I don't get to argue
correctly here, let's go. Now he's pulling a Lebron. I'm
gonna turn off my mic and go home and take
my ball. All right, Well, Jason, that audio you asked for,

(07:40):
we have that. Now. Listen to this. Some moments when
a professional athlete literally tempts you to go nuclear on them,
and I stand here before you today right in that
zone when it comes to Lebron James, ladies and gentlemen.
Lebron James send out a tweet about me, responding the
Slam magazine talking about not facts people, boo get another

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source talking about me. It's talking about what I reported.
And what I reported was that if Lebron James was
in front of Kyrie Irvin, I was told, quote, he
would be tempted to whip his ass. That's what was
told to me. I did not speculate. I did not
put that out there. It was told to me verbatim

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in that manner tempted. Now, in defense of Lebron James,
it's not gonna get into a fight with Kyrie. It
wasn't meant to be taking literally. It was meant to
highlight his level of frustration, which is to say, he
believes that Kyrie Irvin, who is a big time talent,
wants to leave, and that should have been that rather

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than Kyrie Irvin trying to make his departure about Lebron
James because it makes Lebron James look bad and Lebron
James fields betrayed ladies and gentlemen. I'm not speculating that
is what was told to me. What I quoted. Somebody
is saying I and by I'm not budging or inching
back one bit. I said what I meant. I meant

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what I said, And if Lebron James wants to refute that,
I welcome the opportunity for him to do so. I
can't wait. Steven A. Smith, Jason Martin, No, listen, Clay,
did you hear that not meant to be taken literally?
He uses it as a quote You glimb onto it yesterday,

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and he's like, how could a grown man say something
like this. He's like, he didn't mean this to be
taken literally. So the way in which Stephen A quoted
it is ridiculous. It makes him look dumb. And remember
what I said. Most of it was about Stephen A quote.
You can debate. It means to be like you can't

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he knew it wasn't Legiti ever made. If Tony Romo
had said he wants to beat Dak Prescott's ass, it
would be the number one story for a week in
the NFL. If that Derek Jeter had said through his
friends that he wants to beat Alex rodriguez Is ass,

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it would be the number one story for a week.
We have never in the history of team sports that
I can remember, open phone lines to see whether or
not anybody can come up with one eight seven seven nine,
six three six nine. Has there ever been a report?
And I'm not talking about like a fight during training

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camp or a fight internally in the locker room. I'm
talking about somebody who is in a camp telling a
reporter that one teammate wants to beat another teammates ass.
Has that ever been a story in the last twenty years.
Can anybody come up with a single time when a

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story like this has happened. This is a massive story,
and it was a massive story all day long. It's
the number one story in sports, honest question. Can anybody
come up with a story that has ever been reported
where one teammate has said I'm not talking about somebody
saying they want to beat somebody else's ass. That's rare,

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but it happens every now and then where somebody talks
about an opponent, you'll get a quote like if I
remember back in the day is one example. I mean,
that was a long time ago. That's how rare, even
on opposite even on opposite teams. And I'm also thinking,
wasn't there like some sort of dispute over a over

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a late hit like Harry Douglas. Somebody wanted to beat
Harry Douglas was this past year with a Keep to
Leave right, okay, Keep to Leave and Harry Douglas in
the NFL, But those are opposite teams. It was so
rare that somebody says that that we came on and
talked about there's one other one other point here. Um,
Like I said, Stephen A quoted this as if he

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would beat his ass, and he says, well, not meant
to be taken literally, so he quoted it that way.
Then the second thing he did was he challenged Lebron,
who he never got a quote from in the first place.
He also makes clear to admit that, yes, somebody told
him something that Lebron might have said in this situation
and he put it out there. But he's like, I

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I welcome the chance to debate Lebron James. He can't
debate Lebron because he did hear Lebron go after Stephen
A for his reply, No, not well you focused on
the true story or not. I still don't think it
is not the fight line. That was my whole point.
We know the beef was a big story. The fight
line was not going to be that biggest story. And
I still hold tight to the fact that it was

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not that. I don't this is such a bad argument
by you. I mean, you can't. You cannot if you
want to go after if you want to go after
the fact that by the way, we talked to you,
go back to the tape. You know what I said.
I didn't think they would open Undisputed with this story
because it was from Steven a friend in the world,

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and over a year they go head to head every day.
I bet they have never opened their show with quotes
from Steven A. Smith in over a year. One of
the guys from Undisputed they listen to the show as
they drive in. Maybe I'll get a text message from
the from one of those guys who's on the one
of the producers. Have they ever opened Undisputed the FS

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one show with quotes from Steven A. Smith? Why would
that open in Africans? How many? Wait a second, how
many quotes would you have needed to open a show with?
How many? How much newsworthy stuff does Stephen A. Smith
actually even do if you want to look at it
from that perspective, And by newsworthy, I mean it was
about Lebron James and Skip Baylis is gonna glowm onto
it because his whole career Lebron and Aaron Rodgers. This

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you sit out because I I don't even know you're
You're out to lunch on this argument. If you want
to go after Steven A. We'll talk about that. Do
you believe him? Do you believe his reporting? The way
Lebron James responded makes me believe it even more. And
I'll explain why I what I think has happened with
the way this Lebron Kyrie drama has has built out.
Let me bring in l A. Let me bring in

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l A. All right, Danny g what do you think
of this discussion from yesterday? Does Jason Martin owe me
a steak based on what I thought the bet was
at the time. Yeah, I think you should get a
steak now, I my personal view, yes, and you know, Clay,
I disagree with you daily. So yesterday I said, everyone

(14:28):
hates me on the show. Let's put that clearly out there.
Some people stock their show with only people who agree
with everything that they say. I do. My wife, I'm
not even sure likes me, and I've been married to
over thirteen years, so that's not the way that I.
I definitely agree with Jason more often than I agree
with you. But yesterday I said I couldn't call it
because it kind of seemed like stephen A was doing

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his usual over you know, being over dramatic, So I
had to consider the source. But I did. I would
the one that brought up the two opinion shows Undisputed
in first take, I thought they would be on there,
and then we had the conversation yesterday morning about whether
or not Undisputed would quote stephen A, which it was

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surprising that they did right off the top of the show.
That's how big of a story it was. That's my argument,
all right, justin you hate me as well, and you
also were on Jason's side yesterday in the argument, do
you believe that Jason owes me a stake? No, based
on Boom goes to the Dynamite. I just I I
still don't think it's I think it's a story made

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from nothing. This is like that there are so I
don't understand this argument. It's a story made from nothing.
Nine of all sports stories are stories made from nothing.
We did an hour on Michael Phelps versus a Great
White Shark, and suddenly we're outside the lines or sixty
minutes yesterday. Oh, this is not a story. We can't

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talk about this. We did an hour on the Great
White Shark versus Michael Phelps. We're in the entertainment business.
We are not in the quote unquote most of the
time news business. We're on for three hours every day.
We do the Animal thunder Dome. Yeah, because I think
that was a freaking our merrow. I think that it

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was a funny story, the Michael Phelps shark thing. It
was funny. How terrible that was. I just don't think
there's that many angles that you can take with this story.
Because Lebron not in the NBA. Get well, that's a
different thing. That's a different angle like you and Jason,
I don't believe Lebron. James said, that's an issue with

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Stephen A. Smith's reporting. You don't have to believe steven A. Smith.
But whether or not it is a story, it is indisputably,
without a shadow of a doubt, a massive story, the
biggest of the day, one of the biggest of the week. Now,
if you don't believe Stephen A. Smith, that's a different story.
And I'll talk about out on the flip side eight
seven seven six three six nine. It's hard to be

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the King Solomon of the Internet, particularly when you're subjects
question the brain of the King. Not a good move.
The King dunking on people left and right here eight
seven seven six three six nine. You can weigh in.
We'll also deconstruct this entire story. I'll tell you Kyrie
versus Lebron versus Stephen A. Smith, what's actually going on here?

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find me on Twitter at Clay Travis. Pull question is.
Even though he's never eaten a steak, this would be
an ultimate irony. Does Jason Martin owe me a steak

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for being wrong? This is a big number? Is that
how it was? Actually say yes? It's almost impossibly. It's
almost impossible to get yes on any poll that I've
ever asked. This is a total disaster. But I want
to go into the larger issue. If you don't believe

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Stephen A. Smith, that's certainly a valid perspective. I think
if you break down what happened in this story lebron
versus Kyrie versus Stephen A. Smith, I think that you
have to like kind of pull back the curtain and
figure out what happened here, what's the real motivation? How

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do we get to the point where this has become
such a mountain of a story. To me, there are
a couple of things that I think have happened here. One,
I think Lebron James and his camp leaked the news
that Kyrie Irving wants to be traded. I think if

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you read the Tea Leaves Year, it doesn't make sense
for Kyrie Irving to have leaked it. If he were
going to leak it, it would have happened at some
point soon after he requested a trade and showed up
face to face to his owner and said, Hey, I
want to go to one of these four teams. I
think he believed the Calves were working to make him

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a deal, and I think he did what was right
in terms of face to face interaction. He didn't go
Kyrie Irving through the media and request a trade. He
didn't pull up Paul George and try and say oh,
I'm gonna leave and just cut the legs right out
from underneath his team. He went straight to his owner

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and said I want to go. And I think that
is a valid perspective from Kyrie Irving because he's looking
at what Lebron James has already done twice. Lebron James
doesn't care about anybody but himself. That's fine. But when
he was at Cleveland the first time, he lit a
match and threw it over his head and left the

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calves burning behind him. When he was in Miami, he
lit a match, he threw it over his shoulder, and
he left the Miami Heat organization burning behind him. He
is a guy who leaves messes when he goes to
new teams. You know what he's gonna do in a year.
He's gonna light a match, toss it over his shoulder
and leave Cleveland again. Kyrie Irving is sitting there saying,

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wait a minute. He has built Lebron James has this
entire team, Tristan Thompson, Kyle korver Imon Schumpert j R. Smith,
all these guys, insanely overpaid, not that young, all designed
to win. Now he's gonna walk right out and leave
me and probably Kevin Love holding the bag. And instead

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of that happening, Kyrie stole a march on Lebron James
and said, I want to be gone beforehand Lebron James
knew about this, stowed over it because you were supposed
to get in line behind Lebron James. You're not supposed
to cut him. He's the guy who gets to walk
out on a team and leave nothing behind, not Kyrie Irving.

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So Lebron James decided to leak this and get that
news out there. Why would Lebron James leak this because
then when he leaves, he and his team that are
obsessed with how they are viewed by the public. Lebron
James wants to be loved. He now knows if he
leaks this story about Kyrie Irving, when he leaves in

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a year, he can say I would have stayed in
Cleveland forever. But Kyrie Irving broke up the Cleveland Cavaliers
team and as a result, Lebron James had no other
options but to leave, particularly if they trade Kyrie Irving
and as a result they get younger players in exchange

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for Kyrie Irving. Lebron James is gonna say, look, this
Cleveland team made the decision that they needed to rebuild
because Kyrie Irving pulled the rip chord. We didn't have
a chance to beat the Golden State Warriors. After that,
I need to go somewhere where I can win a championship.
I believe Steven A. Smith on this story. I'm gonna

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believe that Lebron James leaked the news about Kyrie Irving.
I think that Stephen A. Smith then wrote something and

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or said something that Lebron James did not like. Go
look at the way that ESPN covers Lebron James. They
take his balls in their hand, they gently cut them,
they massage them, they pal paid them. You know, it's
been two months nearly since Lebron James claimed there was
racist graffiti outside of his house. Do you know how

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much evidence there is that that has ever happened. Zero?
The L A p. D never found a single shred
of evidence that happened. Do you think anybody at ESPN
has ever said that ESPN is so in bed with
Lebron James that all stephen A has Steven A. Smith
has to say is a little bit outside the bounds.

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And I thought this was interesting. Stephen A. Smith said,
Lebron James hasn't talked to him really since two thousand
eleven when he was critical of him in the NBA
Finals when they lost to the Dallas Mavericks. Look at
the entire apparatus of reporting that ESPN builds around Lebron James.
Whether it's Brian Windhorst who's been covering Lebron James's bowel

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movements since he was fourteen years old in Akron, Ohio,
whether it is that other dude whose last name is
mc mcmanahan or something like that, who every time Lebron
James says anything, they turned into a major story. They
have got an entire industry of people designed to write
and say exactly what Lebron James wants to be written

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and said. So when Stephen A. Smith steps out a
line and says that Lebron James and Kyrie Irving are
in legitimate feud with each other, Lebron James is upset.
He reacts like Donald Trump when The New York Times
or the Washington Post write something that he does not like.

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I believe Stephen A. Smith in this story. Now I
understand some of you might not. It's not as if
Steven A. Smith is Adrian war Garowski. It's not as
if he's Adam Schefter. He's not really a straight reporter.
He's more of an opinionist than he is a reporter. However,
that doesn't mean that he hasn't broken a ton of
stories over the years, and it doesn't mean that his

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sources are not impeccable. So when he says he talks
to thirty people around the NBA, I have zeroed out
about that, and I believe that Stephen A. Smith is correct.
But the biggest story here, the one that set this
all tongues wagging, so to speak, was I believe Lebron
James in his camp leaked to the news about Kyrie

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Irving wanting a trade, because I think that's how Lebron
James believes he's going to get out of Cleveland without
being the bad guy. Lebron James has rabbity years. He
doesn't want to be disliked. He's doing whatever he can
to try to spend this in his direction. And frankly,
I don't blame Kyrie Irving for wanting out. He doesn't

(26:59):
want to be left behind with the team that Lebron
built when Lebron leaves town. This way, Lebron now can
say that Kyrie Irving is like Yoko Ono, the person
who broke up the Beatles. It's not his fault for
going somewhere new, it's Kyrie Irvings. This avoids Lebron for
a third time being able to just say, this is

(27:22):
all my decision. When he went to Miami, he left
everybody behind in Cleveland, they were awful. Kyrie Irving was
supposed to be a way to fix that. When he
left Miami, they were awful. Kyrie Irving seen that twice,
doesn't want to be the victim of it the third time.
He wants out of town to a team of his choice.
Before everything goes under in Cleveland. And by the way,

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the ultimate driver of all of this is I believe
that the Cleveland Cavaliers know what just about every single
person out there listening to us knows right now, which
is they are not going to beat the Golden State Warriors.
If Kyrie Irving or Lebron James Kevin Love anybody else
really thought that the Calves were capable as as presently constituted,

(28:07):
of beating the Golden State Warriors, I don't think anybody
would be talking about leaving. I don't think Kyrie Irving
would be exploring a trade. I think they got beaten
so badly in that finals and they know that the
Warriors are only going to be better that That is
the reason why sticking around for another year doesn't make sense.
People like, why would Kyrie Irving leave a team He's
not gonna win a championship. If you're not gonna win

(28:30):
a championship, does it really matter when you lose. We
don't sit around and say, oh, Wow, what an incredible
job getting to the Super Bowl. People aren't like, oh
what an incredible season. Cam Newton and the Panthers had
congratulations to them. They made it to the Super Bowl.
How about those Buffalo Bills. They went to four straight
Super Bowls. That's more impressive than winning one. It probably is,

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but nobody cares about the team that comes in second.
The fact that Lebron James has turned making the finals
for multiple years into his greatest accomplishment. It it's crazy.
You will play to win a championship. Kyrie Irving knows
they're not gonna win a championship. He knows Lebron is
leaving and he doesn't want to be left behind. Thoughts

(29:12):
on all of that, I'll bring in the crew Jason
Martin in Nashville, Danny g and Justin Out in l A.
Do you buy that analysis of what has happened so far, well,
to some extent, except you think Lebron leaked? Do you
think Lebron is the leak or Lebron's camp? I think
it's very possible. Uh, that's there's there's certainly nothing illogical

(29:36):
about that. The idea, though, goes back that I don't
agree that he's just trying to leave so he doesn't
get held handing there or it doesn't get stuck hand
in the bag or holding the bag. This whole thing
dates back and even stephen A said this, but a
lot of other folks have said this as well. It's
not new that Kyrie thought it was going to be
his team before Lebron left Miami to come back. When

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Lebron first left Cleveland, I think it's unfair to say
that he left. He left them and lit a match.
He left because he knew they were not gonna win
because they had been built terribly. I mean, what was
their best players at that point, like Delante West and
Moe Williams. I mean, there was no way they were
gonna be able to win. So he called up Chris
Bosh and Dwyane Wade recruited him and he went down
to Miami and he and he did that. Now I

(30:18):
think he left Delante West was sleeping with his mom.
I think he left because he wasn't gonna be able
to win. I mean, he got beaten by Dwight Howard
and then he got beaten by the Boston Celtics, and
there were better players on both of those two teams
than anybody he had around him other than himself. So
I don't I don't agree with that argument he could
not win there. Kyrie was the number one pick because
Cleveland was that bad the next year because Lebron was

(30:40):
literally all they had. And part of that is a
different era. We hadn't really hit the idea of guys
trying to pair up at that time. I know there
had been other good teams, but it tended to be
guys who were on the tell end of their career.
I think if Lebron had stayed in Cleveland as that
as things were evolving, he could have brought guys eventually

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to him, Right, that's my that's my belief, Like in
the same way that he did the second time that
he went to Cleveland, Guys in the NBA, due to
the salary cap, got smarter about being able to assess
their options. When Lebron left to go to Miami, it
was still relatively early in the era of guys could
switch teams in the NBA, Right, I mean, I think

(31:22):
Lebron to Miami was a really big seismic shock to
the NBA because, by and large, except for the end
of their career, you think about guys staying with teams
for almost their entire career in the NBA, whether it's
Reggie Miller with the Pacers, whether it was Jordan or
not even account the the years that he left pipping
in the bulls Karl Malone and John Stockton. I know

(31:44):
Karl Malone at the end of his career ended up
a Laker, but by and large, like when you think
of those guys, Gary Payton a large extent with the Sonics,
most of the time, guys in their prime stayed with
the team that they were in their prime with. Lebron
was one of the first guys in the NBA, maybe
the first real guy in the NBA to voluntarily leave

(32:06):
a team and go somewhere else. He had to leave.
I mean, it's seriously like all the names you just mentioned.
I mean Gary Payton, for example, had debt of shrimp
and he had sewn Kemp, and he had a lot
of talent around him, but it was it was a
big difference for a guy to suddenly decided to let's
go to break and we're gonna come back and continue
to unpack this eight seven seven six three six nine.

(32:26):
You can call in eight seven seven three six nine.
We're talking about how this story became a story. And
by the way, hour too got Jeff Schwartz coming on
this CTE story. We'll talk about with him. He played
a long time in the NFL. If you haven't heard that,
we're going to address it at the top of our
two I'm Clay Travis. You'll listening to I'll keep the
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Kyrie Irving news because he's trying to get an excuse

(33:13):
for when he leaves Cleveland and goes to a new place,
potentially the Lakers. This way he can blame blame Kyrie Irving.
He's Yoko Ono. He's the guy who broke up the Beatles,
and if that happens, that explains all these stories that
have come out. By the way, the NBA may need
Kyrie Irving to stay on to Cleveland Cavaliers because the

(33:37):
regular season is a joke. Unless there's multiple injuries. The
Golden State Warriors are gonna win the title. But if
Kyrie Irving and Lebron James are having a bitch fest
throughout the entirety of the NBA regular season. Remember when
Lebron James bumped Eric Spoelstra and it was like an

(33:59):
earth wake went off in the NBA. Can you imagine
the analysis of on court relations between Lebron James and
Kyrie Irving that will ensue if both of these guys
are on the team and they have some hug and
makeup fake session where everything gets resolved. So my theory

(34:20):
is that Lebron James leaked to this information, and Lebron
James camp he leaked it to Brian Wynhorst and everybody
else at a ESPN. Brian win Horse has been coddling
Lebron's ball since Lebron was fourteen years old. Every little
story that Lebron wants out there, Brian win Horse runs
around and reports on it. And so this is a

(34:43):
positive story for Lebron. I think they're trying to play
it out so that he has an excuse. They were
crushed with the response from the decision. I think that's
when Lebron and his camp realized, you know what, we
have a really bad antenna up. We don't even know
exactly how this thing is gonna be read. Lebron wants
to be liked. He couldn't handle being disliked. So when

(35:05):
he came back to Cleveland, they had stage managed it perfectly.
He had written an article for s I I'm Coming home,
all that music, everything else. They made sure that they
didn't have the same error given that they're now going
to have a third go around of leaving. I really
do believe Lebron is gonna leave. They're trying to find
an excuse there, trying to find a fall guy. Kyrie

(35:27):
Irving is the fall guy. Do you buy it going
around the horn Jason Martin, I don't know that I
fully buy that because and you would argued this a
couple of months ago, that this whole thing like that
it wasn't gonna be a problem when Lebron left, that
it wasn't going to be an issue, that he even
I think that's true. I think that's true, But I

(35:48):
think that they believe that it's going to be an issue,
and so they're looking for To me personally, I would
look at it rationally and say Okay, Lebron James fulfilled
his promise. He won a champion ship. Now, if they
had lost games seven to the Warriors, and they had
lost three straight in the finals, and then they lost
a fourth straight in the finals, then I think Lebron

(36:08):
leaving it would be hard for Cleveland to take. I
think once he wanted, in my opinion, once he won
a championship in Cleveland, it's impossible for Cleveland fans to
be upset with Lebron James with any choice that he makes.
But I think Lebron's camp bully is trying to avoid
a repeat of what happened the last time he left Cleve.
I mean, I think it's possible. I think that Kyrie
also does really want out, and I think that it's

(36:31):
possible that somebody with him could have let this go
because it makes it easier for him to get out
of there. Because the deal is, he does want to
be a star. He wants to be the focal point
on offense. But he also wants to play a faster
brand of basketball. He wants to run up and down
the court more doesn't want to waste twenty seconds on
the shot clock the way that Cleveland did. From time
to time. When Cleveland started to try and play fast

(36:51):
in the finals, it actually backfired because they would run
out of gas down the stretch. Kyrie wants to play
more of that up tempo Warriors kind of ball because
the last thing he wants to do is have to
defend and a half court. So I think that it
didn't necessarily play as well, but it all dates back
to the idea Kyrie thought it was gonna be his team.
Lebron realized once Kyrie was there that he could go

(37:13):
back to Cleveland. It was possible for him to do
that because to win in today's n b A you
have to have multiple top picks, and that was the
situation with the exception of R. C. Beauford and San
Antonio is one of the great general managers of all
time and Jerry West both what he was able to
do and of course Jerry Bust what they were able
to do in l A being able to actually draft well.

(37:34):
In general, you cannot win without multiple stars, and of
course we're seeing that now. So I think that's why
Lebron obviously came back and Kyrie didn't like it, because Kyrie,
I think was maybe more focused in being a star
than he was a champion. I think he has a
little bit of Carmelo or younger Carmelo Anthony in him,
and I think that that's part of the rift, because
I do think Lebron cares more about winning than anything else,

(37:56):
and I'm not sure that's necessarily the case always Kyrie,
at least how this is based. So I think that
you're what you're saying is not entirely wrong. It's still possible,
but I can't say that I totally buy it because
I don't think Kyrie Irving would leak this story two
weeks after he had a face to face meeting with
the owner. That that to me is that. That to
me is why I believe Lebron James is the route

(38:19):
for this story getting out. If Kyrie Irving wanted this
story to be out, his camp could have leaked to
this story the minute after they met with the owner,
or they wouldn't have even had to meet with the
owner to meet. Kyrie Irving tried to be straight up
on this. He met with Dan Gilbert face to face
in Las Vegas, according to the reports, and said, I

(38:40):
want out here four teams I'd like to go to.
Maybe Dan Gilbert Still maybe Dan Gilbert is the leak
because they were trying to move Kyrie right before the draft.
And the other thing I should have mentioned yet is
that I don't blame Kyrie Irving for saying he wanted
to be traded in giving a list of teams he
wanted to go to, because they almost traded him without
him being involved at all. He wants to have a

(39:02):
say in his future as opposed to just getting shipped around.
I don't blame him for it. Uh. Next hour, we're
gonna talk about this CT story. If you haven't heard,
I think it's the biggest threat to the NFL they've
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news came down surrounding the ongoing investigation of CTE and
its impact in the NFL. I have been saying for
years that I would encourage every single sports fan out

(40:28):
there to read the book League of Denial. Now they
made the movie Concussion. I haven't even seen the movie Concussion,
and I don't know whether it's in all any way
useful to watch. But I will tell you, if you
want to read the most important sports book in the
last twenty years, it's League of Denial. And League of

(40:49):
Denial is about the discovery of CTE and the destruction
that football can reek on high level players college and pro.
They have been doing studies of brains. One of the
challenging things about ct so far is they can only

(41:10):
diagnose it after you are dead. In other words, you
don't know whether you have this brain condition right now
unless you donate your brain and are studied and determined
through the microscope and analysis in an autopsy to have
had the disease. Maybe at some point they're going to
find a way to determine if you have this disease beforehand,

(41:34):
but they so far have not found a way to
do it. Having said that, there have been a hundred
and eleven brains donated to be studied from former football
players so far, a hundred and ten of them have
had ct and I think this changes everything for the NFL.

(41:58):
If I had been doing the show back in the
nineteen fifties, I could have come on with you guys
and said, the three biggest sports in America are horse racing, boxing,
and Major League baseball, and it will always be that way.
And obviously the only sport of those three that still
matters on a real level that we would even talk

(42:21):
about on this show is baseball, and we don't really
even talk that much baseball because regular season baseball is
about your local team. There are very few major national
stories about baseball in the same way there are the NFL,
the n b A, certainly m m A. Those sports
are better at creating superstars and teams that everybody cares about.

(42:46):
But I believe ct just like with boxing in this analogy,
it used to be in like the nineteen fifties that
a huge percentage of parents out there would have had
their sons byxing, and as a result, boxing flourished in
this country because there were so many kids going into boxing,

(43:08):
a lot of them ended up very good American boxing
heavyweight boxing. Probably the peak I would say of boxing
in America in the modern era was probably the late eighties,
very very early nineties because you had Mike Tyson, Larry
Holmes of Ander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis was coming on the scene.

(43:29):
There were a lot of boxers in the heavyweight arena
that everybody cared about, and ever since then it's been
a slow decline. Why has that happened because of Muhammad Ali,
Because everybody realized that if you put your kid in
the ring, and let somebody hit him in the head
that it's going to have a long range impact of

(43:51):
a negative fashion in your kid's brain function. I think
a lot of moms and dad's and grandmas and grandpas
that are out there right now are starting to have
that same lightbulb moment for football, and they're gonna be
pushing their kids into other sports, and that's really going

(44:11):
to start to manifest itself. I think, first of all,
at one position, quarterback. I haven't heard anybody else talk
about this yet. I think I'm still in the vanguard
in terms of discussing this, but I want you to
follow me down this path. Think about the thirty two
quarterbacks in the NFL that are gonna be starting this fall.

(44:35):
I believe I'm correct when I say that almost all
of those quarterbacks are from two parent households, and they
would have gone to college even if they hadn't been
football players. Being a quarterback today is expensive. You've got
to get quarterback training, you've got to have all sorts
of ability to travel around for seven on seven camps.

(44:57):
Think about who ends up a quarterback in our modern NFL.
It's kids from two parent households. Fairly high up on
the socio economic ladder, who would have otherwise gone to
college even if they weren't football players. Think about this,
Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger,

(45:21):
Drew Brees. You run through the list of almost every
quarterback in the NFL, they're guys who would have had
the option to play other sports. Some of them did.
Right Russell Wilson really good baseball player, still talks every
now and then about playing baseball. I'm gonna tell you
right now, if Russell Wilson were being born today, he

(45:42):
wouldn't play football. He played baseball. His mom and dad
would say, you know what, football is not worth the risk.
We're not risking our kids brain on football. And there
are a lot of guys you can point to, because
if you have a big arm in football, you probably
also could have a big arm in pitching short stop,
third base. Just about every quarterback in the NFL could

(46:05):
play high level baseball in some form or fashion. Now,
imagine right now that all twelve or fourteen of the
top quarterbacks in the NFL suddenly got taken out of
the season coming up. How bad would the NFL product
b how awful would be on the field games b

(46:30):
if you took out the top twelve or fourteen NFL quarterbacks,
it would be atrocious to watch, right. Think about that,
with all of these millions of kids growing up and
playing football right now, we're only producing about twelve or
fourteen guys that can play quarterback at a high level

(46:51):
in the NFL. And we could run through exactly who
those guys are. We've done it a lot before, but
you just kind of work around the country. You're talking
out the Tom Brady's, the Drew Brees is, the Matt
Matt Ryan's, the Russell Wilson's of the world. The Aaron
Rodgers is my guy, Marcus Mariota. There aren't very many

(47:12):
quarterbacks who are actually good at the position. We have
millions of guys the most single, most difficult position in
all sports. We have millions of guys out there across
the nation playing football, and by the time we get
to the NFL, we have narrowed it down to only
twelve or fourteen guys can actually play high level, Super Bowl,

(47:34):
Super Bowl winning caliber quarterback. If you took out those
top twelve or fourteen, the NFL would be in crisis.
That's what's gonna happen. The numbers of football players are
Donna Cline precipitously, and the guys who are gonna quit
playing football first are gonna be the guys from two

(47:55):
parent homes, stable socio economically, who have a lot of
other options when comes to sports that they want to play.
They're gonna play soccer, They're gonna play football, I mean, sorry, basketball,
They're gonna play baseball. All these quarterbacks are not gonna
play NFL football anymore because their parents are gonna sit

(48:16):
back and say it's not worth the risk. It's amazing
to think about. I think in twenty years from now,
as the kids that are born today come of age,
every year fewer people are playing football. Just like the
vast majority of you right now would not let your

(48:36):
kids box. You're certainly not putting an eight or nine
or ten or eleven or twelve year old kid into
a ring and letting him box, and you probably aren't
even putting a high school kid into a ring and
letting him box. That's gonna happen with football too. We're
gonna talk with Jeff Schwartz about this next. Jeff Shorts
played in the NFL for several years. Is he afraid

(48:56):
of CT would he let his son play ct I'll
tell you this right now, people out there, I'm sure
that I'm gonna check my Twitter feeding and be like,
don't be a pussy, Willow Clay play football. You know
who one of the number one group of people that
don't want their sons to play football is football players.
The number of guys who played in the NFL and

(49:17):
encourage their kids to pick up a different ball, Go
play basketball, go play baseball. Those guys no better than anybody.
The physical toll extracted from the NFL. The number of
those guys who do not want their kids to play
would blow your mind. It's higher than the general population

(49:40):
at large. I'm gonna talk about this with Jeff Schwartz also.
After we talk to him, I'll open up the phone
lines will unpack this. I think this is the biggest
threat to any sport in America today, the ongoing CTE disaster,
and I don't think you can play football safely. So

(50:00):
for everybody out there who's like, oh, you just gotta
change the rules. The thing that's scary about c t
E and I a lot of people don't understand this.
It's not concussions that gives you CT. If you read
League of Denial again. I can't endorse this book enough.
You got a kid who wanted didn't like to read you,
you want to start him on a book that's gonna

(50:21):
get him engaged in some way if he's a smart kid.
The League of Denial book is an incredible read. But
what you learn about CT is it's not big concussion
hits that leads to CT. A lot of people have
that misperception, Oh, that's a big hit. That's how you
get CT. No, no, no, no no, it's the repetitive banging

(50:44):
over and over and over again that doesn't lead to
any discernible injury. It's scary, flat out. I don't believe
you can play football safely. We'll talk to Jeff Schwartz next.
I'm Clay Travis. Is he afraid of football? Would he
let his son play? We'll talk about that next here
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his zone auto Zone. Jeff shorts with us now he
joins us every single Wednesday. Uh. We talked to Jeff
right before you came in about this study. A hundred
and ten out of a hundred and eleven we should
met should say these are donated brains because the only
way you can tell whether or not somebody has CT
is by doing an autopsy of the brain. And the

(51:50):
only way this into these individuals at this this study
can look at a brain is if somebody donates it
to them. So it's not as if they get an
entire cross section of every NFL player, because every NFL
player is not donating their brains to this study. Having
said that, how nervous are you? You played in the

(52:12):
in the NFL for eight years before that, you played
at Oregon. How much time do you spend like when
you can't remember something when you're walking into a room, Jeff,
and like you think, why did I come in here,
which happens to everybody, especially if you've got kids and
you're worried about like a billion different things. How often
do you think, oh, could this be CT. Well, I'll

(52:32):
start with the study. You know, when it first came out.
NFL players um, you know, deceased to the exum and
had CT. It's just it's just it's a shocking number.
It's frightening. Um. You know, I try to not think
about c T. I know my family thinks about it
more than more than I do. And you know, I
didn't have UM terribly a lot of concussions. I don't

(52:53):
remember getting hit very often in the head, but that's often, um,
you know, not the case of CT. It's repetitive blows.
That's little blows you that you don't know about. UM. So, yeah,
it's um, it was. It was shocking. UM, I'll tell
you what. So I will sometimes like have a cup
in my hand and drop it like it's weird. Like

(53:14):
I'll be pouring water, like I have a little like
a three gallon thing on my fridge, you know, and
I pull out and sometimes like as I go to
close the fridge, maybe the glass will like you a
couple like hit the fridge and drop down. That's the
only time I think to myself, like, did I used
to drop a cup like this beforehand? I mean, otherwise
I feel fine. I mean I have no memory loss. Um,
I don't randomly walk into rooms very often. I norm

(53:36):
we don't think about it at all except that time
when I dropped a glass. Every now and then. Um,
but you know, I still work out, I play basketball,
I feel great. Um My, my brain is still functioning
a high level. But it's always in the back of
your mind because the studies like this. Your brother plays
for the Chiefs now too, so you've been around football
a lot. How much? How often does this topic come

(53:59):
up with the locker room or with NFL guys that
have retired. Is it something that is discussed if a
group of players gets together, or is it something where
like nobody wants to talk about it at all. Nobody
wants to talk about it at all. Um, I don't
recall ever having a conversation and walker room about CT.
I think weakness for that reason, Like you just don't

(54:19):
want to talk about things that. Like, you know, it's
a very alpha male locker room, right, like tough guy
code kind of in the NFL, and so if you
acknowledge something like this, it's considered a weakness. Is that it?
Or like you just don't want to acknowledge anything could
be wrong? Like why is that? Well? I just don't
say we talked about injuries often. I mean we were
feeling invincible first of all. I think you can't play
this game without feeling it feeling that way. But you know,

(54:41):
what's there to talk about? I mean, hey, guys, c
T is a thing. Let's not you know, let's not
play hard today. Man, I don't know what. I don't
know what would be the point of talking about a
locker room Um, I think guys, you know, we know
it's there now, and you know our family is worried
enough about it. My mom was worried about it. I'm
sure if you ask my wife shows she she was
worried about it, so you know in the locker room.

(55:02):
I don't know why we would spend time worrying about
something that everyone else is already worried about and that
we know as a possibility. I think you have to
feel invincible to play, and if you talk about it,
that's just the you know, you kind of strip a
layer of invincibility, I think, so we know it's there,
but it was never a topic conversation. Would you want
your son? You have a son, now, would you want
him to play football? So here's the way I feel

(55:24):
about that. So I didn't play until high school, and
if he wants to play, he can start playing in
high school. Um. I've seen some Pepe football games and
the kids cannot control their bodies whatsoever. And you know,
we we talk about CT and how it's it's repetitive
blows and it happens from an early age from when
they start playing football all the way until obviously they're
done playing football. So, UM, I feel like high school

(55:46):
is a good age. You can control your body better,
you have better coaches, you can learn fundamentals, learn techniques.
So if he wants to play, he can play then. Um,
but I'm not going to force him to play football.
I mean I wasn't forced to play football either. Um,
And if you want to play, you can play in
high school. But if not, I'll be fine with that
as well. I mean, hopefully as a lefty you candor

(56:06):
about that. When I started doing sports talker radio and
meeting a lot of former NFL players and current NFL players.
One of the things that surprised me the most was
the number of them that did not want their kids
to play football, right They wanted to play baseball, they
want them to play basketball, they want them to play
other sports. That surprised me because I think your average

(56:29):
person out there listening right now thinks, oh, it would
be incredible to play in the NFL. I imagine you
have heard similar things, right, Guys who have made enough money,
maybe it's different for them. They're fighting to try to
get to, you know, a higher socioeconomic wrong and ability
to take care of their family, and now they don't
want their kids to have to play football. I'm sure
you have you heard those discussions as well. Yeah, I have,

(56:52):
and I've heard the people say it publicly. But you know,
I do wonder though that when it comes time in
high school and their son watched to play, if that changes,
you know, right now, I think the challenge, Yeah, it's
a good point. I think the challenge in general is
by the time you get to high school, if a
kid's fourteen or fifteen years old and wants to play football,
I think a lot of dad's and moms will find
it hard to say no, don't do that. Now, I

(57:13):
will say this, if they don't play, you say you
didn't played all high school. I think that's a good
advice in general. If they don't play until high school,
then there's also the possibility that they're going to be
so in meshed in another sport that they're just not
that interested in doing it. Right, Like if you play
baseball your whole life, or you play basketball and you're
good at it, then you just never make that pivot
because so many people specialize in sports. Now, well yeah,

(57:34):
but that but that was me though I played. I
played basketball. But you're also you're also six six pounds.
When I showed up. When I showed up, um to
high school, I got recruited to play. I mean the
JV football coach was my maths teacher's in the show
The First Days that You Need to play Football. I
think that guys start getting recruited when they showed up

(57:55):
to high school. But um, you know, I think the
sport that if it looks at at least one sport
that's taking over for football, it's lacrosse. I mean, lacrosse
is huge now. You know, even in my high school.
You know, on the West Coast, it's a big deal.
You know, kids are now playing lacrosse to the football.
I mean that's the sports. I don't think if anyone's
playing more baseball and more basketball. I mean kids are
playing lacross now and that takes up the physicality is

(58:18):
as much as you can a football. Do you buy
into buy your a two parent household, like your mom
and dad highly educated, you went to private school. Do
you buy into my argument that those are the first
kids that are going to start dropping out of football,
Like the more educated your parents are, the more likely
you stopped playing football. Um? No, because they're at a

(58:38):
position that doesn't get contact is often. Yes, there are
guys and quarterbacks who've had CT but I think now
with the rules in place in the NFL and even
in college I mean college spread quarterbacks don't get touched
all season. I mean the ball is out so fast
that barely you're touched. You's NFL now, Um you know
it's a quick passing game. There's rules set up so
if you know, if you are a defender and you

(58:58):
raise the helmet of a quarterback, you get fifteen year penalty.
I mean that's how simple it is to get a penalty. Now,
so that's the argument in favor of guys still playing. Now.
My response is that almost every quarterback could have on
some level played high level baseball, right. I mean, with
those arms that you have to have, like you could
be a picture third baseman, shortstop, whatever it is. They're big,

(59:18):
they're strong, they're tough, they're physically overwhelming, you can play. Now,
that's a good point, Like quarterbacks don't get hit that
much compared to everybody else, like you could theoretically. So
I said before quarterback you can play. Tom Brady may
play to five. There's no other position hardly that you
can play after the age of thirty in the NFL
other than kicker. Right. And look, the glory of being

(59:40):
an NFL quarterback is more than any other position in
any other sport in America. I mean there's no you
know what, what's what's better than being Tom Brady winning
Super Bowl? Uh? Nothing. So if you're if you're in that,
if you're that, if you're able to do that over
you know, going winning a World Series. I mean, I
don't you know, CLAYT. Kershaw? Right, who's more famous? Tom
Brady and Clint Kershaw? What's the glory Queen Kershaw winning

(01:00:02):
the World Series versus Tom Brady winning a Super Bowl.
So that's why I think kids are still gonna play football,
especially quarterbacks, because the glory I'm playing football is much
greater than playing baseball. All right, can you come back
with us on the other side talk about a couple
of other issues. Yeah, alright, Judge Schwartz is gonna come
back on the other side. Uh A. I'm not gonna
give your phone number because we're gonna gonna take calls

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and in fifteen minutes you could say fifteen cent or
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you said you tweeted that. By the way, I'm laughing
because let's see, Michael Dorso said, just sent me a
tweet when you disagree with Clay Travis but then his
argument wins you over the out kick and it's just
a picture. I haven't even seen this. It's a it's

(01:01:03):
a gift for Jeff or however you want to pronounce
that of Alonso morning, it's I mean, it is pretty
outstanding of him, like shaking his head no and then
slowly adjusting his head like it's it's really good. So
you hosted, you guest hosted when I was when I
was in London and Paris with with with Jason Martin,
So you are potentially somewhat biased, but you also have

(01:01:23):
known me longer, so I'm gonna say that you are
an impartial judge. We bet a steak over whether this
Lebron James Kyrie Irving story was gonna be massive. We said,
because yesterday when we started it, it was not. Like.
One of the things that we do, obviously, is we
start the day so early, and thanks for spending your
morning with us across all fifty states. We start this

(01:01:44):
show so early that sometimes what the big stories of
the day are going to be are not yet defined.
Right So, right now on the West Coast, it is
four thirty in the morning, so you know, who knows
what the big stories of the day are gonna be.
In the West coast, people are just waking up. Even
on the East Coast, it's still only seven thirty Eastern time.
Most people have not even really kind of got into

(01:02:07):
the full roll of their day, and and a lot
of the stuff that we talked about can still be
left over from last night. So we come in and
a game happened, and we're the first people to talk
about it the next morning kind of unpack it. When
I saw the steven A News, I said, my god,
this is gonna be massive, saying that Lebron James would
be tempted to beat Kyrie Irving's ass. Jason Martin argued,

(01:02:28):
it was not a story. The poll question is up
and it's not even close, but some people are. Jason
will probably argue that's biased. How big of a story
did you think this was? I didn't. I didn't think
it was that big of a stories. First of all,
Jason needs to have a steak anyways, so I hope
he has a losing the bat and you guys go
get a nice steak in. Jason, it is. It is,

(01:02:49):
But for the people out there who don't realize Jason
Martin is thirty eight years old. He is a grown,
thirty eight year old man, and he's never had a
steak before. It might be can you think of anything else?
They like, like we maybe one day just need to
have a confession day where people call in and confess
the things that they haven't done. That like everybody else

(01:03:09):
in the world has done. That's on. It's unfathomable to
me that a grown man could have gone his entire
life and never had a steak. Like I understand if
you live in India, like if you live in India
and cows are sacred, and or you also live in
like in one of those Indian communities where like you
make your living like on a garbage dump and so
you never actually have a legitimate meal in your life.

(01:03:32):
But it's unbelievable to me that a thirty eight year
old man in America who's not a vegetarian. It's not
like he's like, oh, I just don't like meat, has
never eaten I mean I do not. I've never eaten
a bunch of meat pretty much in my life. Like
I do eat some meat, but I've never been big
like pork chops. I've never had pork chops. Like, there's
a lot of things I've had, I've never had the
most that you ever What was the most that you

(01:03:53):
ever weighed? Uh, I don't know. It's probably back in
February when I was about three seventy, three seventy, and
now I'm at a little under two nineties. That's how much.
That's that's really impressive. Eighty pounds, that's really outstanding. But
let's go back to the three seventy. How many guys
who weighed three seventies you think are not meat eaters?

(01:04:13):
I don't know. Probably probably a lot, honestly, because the
reason I was that way is because of the stuff
I was eating. So what did you eat otherwise? I
ate junk, like just a fast food, fast food all
the time. Uh. I only liked fast food burgers, which
of course is not a good thing either. But I
was never a big fan of grilled food, like growing
up in things like that. Like it's not just that
I made this conscious decision not to eat steak, it's

(01:04:35):
just when I saw meat, I would go elsewhere. I
would always go with pasta. I would go with something
like that, Like it was almost always that way for me.
It wasn't like I said, I'm hoping to end the streak.
And two weeks ago I was actually supposed to go
out with somebody and actually ended but it did not
end up happening. Um, but it's going to happen in
the next few weeks. Like it's something I want to do.
I mean, I was also a guy that didn't even

(01:04:56):
have chicken until I was like sixteen, Like it's just
something that never hurt to me up until that point
that it was something I might like. It's more than that,
it's I was I'm reticent to try stuff. It's not
that it's just like I'll look at it and I'll say,
you know, I don't think I would like that, or
the smell doesn't hit me the right way, and then
I just don't do it. That's the way I always was,
and I've kind of shifted that mentality over the last

(01:05:18):
several years. And you know, you didn't have chicken until
you were sixteen, Like what did you like? How did
your parents feed you? Fed me? They let me eat
what I wanted to eat. I mean, I ate grilled cheese.
Is a lot I had scrambled eggs a lot, you know.
I mean I didn't. I did, and I had spaghetti
and I had some things like that. But I was
a guy that just it was just not a wide
palette for me. I remember the first time I ate chicken.

(01:05:40):
This will blow your mind. Actually know what it wasn't sixteen,
it was eighteen because I went to a fish concert
Virginia Beach and I was with a friend of mine.
And before that he's like, let's go to chick fil A.
I'm like, chick fil A. I'm not really chicken guy.
It's like try it. So we go to Chick fil
A and I got chicken nuggets and that's all it took.
Now I still my face, but that's what happened eighteen

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and never have and grow up in the South and
never have even eaten it at Chick fil A. It's
like I wasn't a vegetarian. Well, I mean at the
time they were all in malls Clay, like they weren't
a bunch of in a ball. It makes it even easier,
like you're just in a food I just got the
waffle fries. Like I would be with people and I
would just get the waffle fries and not order chicken. Yeah,
but I would generally do it when I was with

(01:06:22):
other people, like I did like their waffle fries. That
doesn't even like qualifies chicken. It's just breathing like it's
like not even what are you taking a shot at
chickil Did you just take a shot at Chick fil a?
My son you had it last night. I sat there
with your son. You But if you can't, but if
you can't, but you know you can't, like you can't
say like that's that's I wouldn't consider that chicken. And

(01:06:44):
I mean that's like the lowest dominator of chicken on
this This is the most controversial thing that's ever been
said on this show. Or you might as well. Jeff
Shorts have just come on and said, you know what,
I'm not sure that I was rooting for the Americans
on D Day as far as I'm concerned here, But
you're just coming on and saying that you you took
a direct shot at Chick fil A. I did. I

(01:07:06):
like chick. I think all chicken nugets are like that.
Though that means this is this is what if you
think that's high like that, like if I think that's
like high treason. It's like, I'm not sure that we
can still have you on the show with the way
that you're talking about Chick fil A right now. But
if you that's that's the lowest end of chicken, of chicken,
you can have some chicken nugget. No, I don't even

(01:07:28):
know what that means. Like Chick fil A is the highest,
like a pyramid of chicken. Chick fil A sits on
the top of the pyramid of chicken. There's never been
a better chicken related dish, fast food chicken or just
chicken in general, Chicken in general. Oh no, come on,
who's better than Chick fil A? No? One, This is

(01:07:50):
the most This is like I've I've moved. You think
you can make a better chicken dish than Chick fil A.
There's better chicken dishes all the time I've had. When
you talk about play, what do you do? And I
could run for president right now on that ticket alone,
just on Chick fil A, and I think we'd probably win.
You Chick fil A is so good, Jeff, that gay
people go there even though they hate gay people. It's

(01:08:11):
gay people like gay people like you know what, I
would like to get married, But this chicken sandwich is
so good I can't even boycott them, Like that's even like,
that's how good Chick fil a sandwiches. I had ChIL
last night. I don't disagree that it's bad. I mean,
that's that's good. I'm just saying that you said you
could make a better dish than Chick fil A. Do
you think you think you think if we came to

(01:08:34):
your house in Charlotte, you could cook a dish better.
You think a good like a good piece of real
fried chicken from a from an actual like restaurant, is
better or worse than Chick fil a? Worse? Yes, if
that restaurant offered a chance to go across the street
to Chick fil A, I would take it. I look,
I am understrained in my love of fried chicken. I'm

(01:08:56):
from the South. I have eaten fried chicken my entire life.
I've been all over the place. Grandma used to make it.
Everybody like in the South likes fried chicken. None of
it is as good as Chick fil A. So that
this is a personal tasting things, I think fred I
think fred chicken from a restaurant, not a fast food place,
is better than Chick fil a though, that's just a
personal tasteingment do your taste is wrong. I mean like

(01:09:19):
something you can say like personal tasting, but your personal
taste is wrong. It's like you coming on and saying,
you know what I think that I'm trying to think of,
like the like between Rosie O'Donnell and Charlotte McKenney. I'm
gonna go with Rosie o'donnald. You can be like what
your personal taste is wrong, but you like fat, unattractive women,
and I like good looking women like you like unattractive

(01:09:41):
bad food, and I like good food. Like you're just wrong.
We mind you. We had chick Away for dinner last night,
so it's not like because you have kids, but you're
just taking a shot. I've never gone I'll tell you
I've never I've never gone there for myself. I've gone
there from my kids. Justin, did you just did you just?
Did you see what was on the chat? Clay? I

(01:10:03):
just didn't hold on. Justin Cooper, come up here for
a sec. Get in front of Mike. You're fired, all right,
That's all I'm gonna say. Exact's all we need. Danny
in Chick fil A. It's not. I mean, like, it's
good chicken, but it's not as good as you guys shareholder,

(01:10:25):
Like are you are you part owner? I don't understand
why you're so like gung ho on chickl It's like, yes,
if you said, Clay, do you like, are you an
owner of boobs? Do you have? Like? I don't understand
why you're so gung ho on boobe? Like why do
you think these things on women's chests are good looking?
That's basically what you said, justin when you're coming on
and saying, am I a shareholder in chick fil A?

(01:10:47):
I think when you is just as good? They're chicken
sandwiches are just what Wendy's you and and and if
you go to Roscoe's chicken and waffles, they're fried. Chicken
dominates chicken. I've been to Asco chicken and waffles, and
that's an insult to everyone on earth who's ever had both.
Mind you two, if you grew up in the West Coast,
you don't eat chick Filay. I did eat chok Fila

(01:11:08):
until I got that's your problem, not ours. That's why
you should live here. Like the way the way you
feel about chick Fila is the way I show it
in and out like when people try to and out
in and out. To me, that's the same way I feel.
Is the way you're you're defending chooks place, is the
way to send in and out. All right, We're gonna
have to hang out is enough. We're gonna have to
send Jeff out in into the into the into the wilderness.

(01:11:29):
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six nine. The response is rolling in on Twitter are
actually pretty outstanding. I want to hit a bunch of them.
Uh here as I roll through. Um, Jeff, you are
now dead to us. Chick fil A for life. That's

(01:12:39):
Memphis Spence, this is uh chick fil Hang up, Chick
fil A is the food of the gods. Jeff Schwortz,
You're dead to me. Unbelievable. Jason Martin, you said, this
is the first time you've ever thought that maybe Jeff
has c T. Yeah, I mean, something has to explain this,
like there's no possible way, especially somebody lives in Charlotte.
I mean, come on, bro, Chick fil A is basically crack. Like.

(01:13:04):
There are very good ones in the world. Yeah, there
are very very few things in the world that anytime
I think about them, I get a smile on my face.
And Chick fil A's chicken nuggets and their diet lemonade
mixed with fruit punch or two of those things like those.
It's so good every time. It's consistently good. You don't
feel bad when you leave there in terms of just
stomach the best. Yes, yes, they're all nice, and you

(01:13:28):
get that whole my pleasure thing from every single person
you talk to, it's a wonderful experience. Continuing to read
your tweets at Clay Travis on Twitter eight seven seven
three six nine. If you want to weigh in, Justin
should be fired, says Zack Zack qaws Wendy's over Chick
fil A. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And
I listened to this show every day. All right, Uh

(01:13:52):
Boomer Blaine Kairs, never have Jeff Schwortz on again. His
football commentary is irrelevant. After his Chick fil A comments,
Justin Bridges says what a show? Hashtag chick fil A
sandwiches lives matter. Um Trey says, Jeff Schortz is like
the racist guy who quote has black friends. I had
Chick fil A last night. Hashtag treason. This is uh,

(01:14:17):
this is just a total disaster. You're being crushed. I
don't there's nothing in your career, Justin Cooper, that has
been more controversial than this, which you've just now stepped
in all the goodwill that you got from being the
cute kid on Liar Liar in the movie Gone No.
I think this is you know, I think this is
a regional thing. I think you've got all of your
your southern, you know, sec country followers backing you up

(01:14:40):
on this. But if you talk to the more uh,
you know, cultured people of the of the coasts, they'll
they'll tell you that Chick fil A is not all.
How did you just go elitist anti Chick fil A?
What did we need to pull that we need to
pull that? He was local on you need to pull

(01:15:04):
that audio clip because that might be the single most
outrageous thing ever said in the history of the show.
I might as well have just come on and said
I went to D Day on my family vacation, and
while I was there, I was thinking, Man, I wish
the Nazis had killed all the Americans when they tried
to storm the beach. That's basically what you just said,
Gary Parrish at CBS weighing in lay a tray a

(01:15:25):
Chick fil A nuggets on a table in any room
in America. It's all gone in thirty minutes places properly lrated.
This is go check my Twitter mentions. If I can't
even keep up with all of the anger, all the
anger that you have let loose. And that was before
you just referred to the smarter people on the coast
and knowing, while knowing that the vast majority of our

(01:15:47):
base is all in the center part of the country.
Unbelievable and unpressed saying Justin needs to be fired. I've
got Justin needs stuff. It's walking papers is the most
blasphemous thing I've ever heard. This is the most offensive
union in the history of radio. I mean, it is very, very,
very out of control, and all of it is deserved.
And you don't even know the worst of it, folks,

(01:16:08):
because Justin also said during the break that Popeye's is
better than Chick fil A. What Popeye's is great Popeyes.
That's like saying, like the random hot dog place that
they sell in the in the gas stations is better
than like I I can't even make an analogy. Here

(01:16:28):
is Jeff Short saying Chick fil A is overrated, the
most indefensible opinion in the history of the show. That
was before Justin Cooper just said, everybody who lives in
the center part of the country is an idiot and
Chick fil Aye sucks fly, which is an unbelievable combo.
Not just that you're all dumb who live in the
anywhere other than the coast, but also that Chick fil
A sucks, and I mean, just an unbelievable assault. It's

(01:16:51):
like he's a WWF wrestler and he just rolled in
and took a mic and just said, whatever city you're
in is awful. Six of you immediately agreeing Chick fil A.
And we said a lot of ridiculous things on this
show that Jeff Shorts saying Chick fil A is overrated
is the most indefensible opinion in the history of the show.
That was before Justin Cooper came in and said everybody
who doesn't live on the coast is dumb and Chick

(01:17:13):
fil A sucks. I gotta be honest, like that might
be the most savage statement ever uttered on this show.
Just I mean, there are people driving to work this morning,
like feeling pretty good about themselves. And not only did
he say you're all dumb, he said that Chick fil
A sucks too. There's people in line right now to
get chicken biscuits at Chick fil A. To us listening

(01:17:35):
to us eight seven, seven, three six nine will open
up the phone lines. Final hour of the show, We're
gonna talk to who are we talking to? Damian? Damian
Lillard is gonna be with us at the bottom of
our three. Portland Trailblazer Damian Lillard he will join us
at the bottom of our three. But first we're gonna
take your calls as we come back out of this

(01:17:55):
break eight seven seven six three six nine. Devastating shot
across the bow from Justin Cooper and Jeff Schwortz. They've
managed to reunite Jason, Martin and myself after two days
of arguing. Chick fil A has brought us back together again.
Eight seven seven six three six nine. I am Clay Travis.

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so far. For the first two hours, we've talked about
Kyrie versus Lebron versus stephen A Smith. We have talked
about CTE and its impact going forward in the world
of football. But in the most controversial statement made in
some time here, Jeff Schwartz came out against Chick fil
A and then Justin Cooper, former child star from Wire,

(01:19:20):
a liar, took it a step further and said, everybody
in the middle part of the country is dumb and
Chick fil A sucks. And let's clarify, Clay, this is
not about political stances. This is on taste Chick fil A.
The taste of their food is the argument both Jeff
and Justin Cooper were making. And what I've been saying
for a long time is that Chick fil A is

(01:19:41):
the greatest thing proof that God loves us, and that
gay people, even though Chick fil A doesn't support gay marriage,
still eat at Chick fil A because the chicken sandwiches
are so good. They're sitting there with the chicken sandwich
in their hands, like I know that Chick fil A
hates the fact that we're getting married, but this chicken
sandwich is so good. I can't stop giving them money.

(01:20:04):
I wish we could get a guy gay guy calling
in right now to tell me that that's right. I
know I shouldn't need a Chick fil A, but their
sandwich is so good. Even though they hate me politically,
I can't say no. Jim in York, Pennsylvania, Jim, what's
up about your show is the is the honesty that
you will always bring to the table. But in this

(01:20:25):
instance here, um, you know you gotta say. You gotta
say wells listens. Gotta think a little for Justin Cooper
for telling him like it is because you guys missing
the boat. Coop, when you get your own show, I'll
be a number one call on my friend. What is
this you're calling it? Endorsing him? Taking it? You live
in the middle part of the country. I was born
and raised in the New York tunsilvan up to the

(01:20:46):
coast to feel a little bit elite compared to the
the bumbling, the bubbling Southerners that are sitting there. That's
a great question. Where is the elite line on the coast?
Is Phoenix still considered elite? Is Charlotte still considered elite?
When we talk about the coast? How close to the
coast do you have to be to be an elite?

(01:21:10):
I like this guy, who's that unbelievable? It's a music
king coop. Where is York, Pennsylvania? Where is York? Do anybody?
Does anybody know these guys? These guys are too busy
planning in their first date together. It's an hour north
of Baltimore, south central PA. Okay, you are pretty close

(01:21:30):
to the coast, you know what, I know? York sucks.
Hang up on this guy, I'll tell you this. George
Peppermint patty Son too? Is that where the York Peppermint
Patty is from? Yeah? I'm done. I will say this.
I am first of all that Justin Cooper gets support
for his outlandish, outrageous, on indefensible attack upon the center

(01:21:53):
part of the country and his attack upon Chick fil
A is to me unacceptable. Geneou in California? Gino, what's up? Hey, Hey,
good morning, Sino not Gino. But that's side of the point.
First off, nobody needs to be bank go or fired
or banned from the show. Um. The Chick fil A
is not the end all, end all Chicken place. Um,

(01:22:17):
it's not the end all Chicken place. What's better than
chick fil A? Pipe? Baby? Where there we go? Where
pop Eyes? Now? He's gone. I'm pretty sure I heard
a friar in the background. He must be working at Popeyes.
That's the only way you could do that. Popeyes is

(01:22:38):
like where you go if you are crack addled, and
you are like and you are like, you know what,
I don't care what I eat. I don't care. By
the way, I guarantee you now that I've said that,
we probably have like a two million, They're like, Geico

(01:22:59):
is gonna be replaced by Popeyes. We're all set. And
then somebody at the CEO of Popeyes driving into work
this morning and I just said, the only people we
eat we eat Popeyes or crack adult loose and they're like, oh,
you're done, all right, You're done. Popeyes. Now, Danny, have
you talked to you about this? You haven't had your
say on this. We need we need you in this situation. Okay,
I gotta give it up to your guys joint for

(01:23:21):
their breakfast. All right, Chick fil A's breakfast is pretty amazing.
The rest of the menu, I don't really get it
because I grew up on Alpoyo Loco and Gus's world
famous chicken. That's a Losermanos. Oh not Gus Fern. Sorry, yeah,
you're this this this Let's go to Greg and Gregg

(01:23:42):
and Brooklyn more the coastal elites weigh in, Greg and Brooklyn?
What's up? Get me through my morning? Worked us? I
appreciate that so away, in real quick. It opened up
in New York about two years ago. I had a
girl that I've worked without from the South. She convinced
us to order a whole heap of food on a
Friday afternoon one day. Let's get it all in. Unimpressed,

(01:24:05):
and I ask you this, where's the l p o,
where's the tomato onion? There's nothing on the sandwich? Yeah?
You know what? You know what a woman wears when
she looks really good looking? Nothing at all. You don't
say like, hey, where's the lingerie? I need at I
need a little bra and panty here. No, you say
I want it all gone. You get the Chick fil a.

(01:24:26):
They got a pickle. They got a pickle. That's all
they need. The pickle Off. Personally, of course you do, Clay.
What if she needs a turtle neck? Though, Clay, if
she needs a turtle neck, you shouldn't be dating her.
If you've ever thought to yourself, I want my girlfriend
to put more clothes on, you shouldn't meet eating her.
That's all I'm saying. Like you're making a bad decision.
You are biologically failing. That chicken is perfect as is.

(01:24:49):
You can take the chicken right out of the Chick
fil a chicken sandwich and eat it like the savage
man that you are, like you just caught an animal
on the planes of Africa. You're devouring it. There. You
don't need the bread, you don't need to pickle. You
just need the chicken. That's all you need. Get out
of here it again. Yeah, I mean, I I legitimately questioned, Yeah, look,

(01:25:14):
it's high quality chicken, but it's it's not like that
flavorful or anything. It's not you can't. What are you
talking about the juiciest like it's the best tasting chicken
in the world. That's the whole point. Danny's right, Loco
is better too. I I this is this is a
great example of how people on the coasts think that

(01:25:35):
things on the coast are better just because it's on
the coast. If Chick fil A was from l A
right now, there would be people storming the studio to
burn it down. If I had come on and said
something bad about Chick fil A. True, all you coastal
elites are coming at the Chick fil A community of

(01:25:57):
the world. I gotta I don't know what gonna happen,
but I'm telling you right now, Donald Trump could get
reelected in twenty if he just goes after the people
who hate Chick fil A. Maybe you guys have just
been brainwashed. You want you want to talk about crack addle.
Maybe that's what it's been in in the in the South.
Just all these years, you guys have been fed Chick
fil A and you just don't know any better. It's

(01:26:17):
not your fault, no is it is. I I would
I've looked into this. There are very few things I've
looked into before as businesses. I tried to get a
Chick fil A franchise. I was like, what do I
have to do to open up my own Chick fil A.
It's almost impossible to get a Chick fil A franchise.
You have to be like, uh, like a saint. The

(01:26:39):
truth comes out. You're sending this podcast over to chick
fil Right, they won't. They won't hire me because I
curse and I'd say bad things and like all like,
I I am the devil to Chick fil A. But
I feel like I'm walking into church when I go
to a Chick fil A and get to eat their sandwich.
I looked into trying to buy it. You can't even

(01:27:01):
Chick fil A is so difficult to get a franchise
that you can't even get multiple franchises. That's how successful
it is. Three most successful businesses in America today Apple, Google,
Chick fil A, Banang, You're a billionaire if you have
any of them. Apple, Google Chick fil A. I'll toss
in Facebook. Four most successful businesses in America right now, Apple, Google, Facebook,

(01:27:25):
Chick fil A. Most rich man in America today is
Jeff Bezos. Number two. The guy who owns your suburban
Chick fil am your phone calls, We're gonna go to
Damian Lillard at the bottom of the hour eight seven,
three six nine. This is out kicked the coverage. I

(01:27:45):
care about you in the middle part of the country.
I'm not like that stuck up left wing liar, liar
child star Justin Cooper who just said that all of
you suck and that your Chick fil a sucked to
Is that a friar in the back ground that somebody
all right, well you hit that, make it crack instead,
head to pop Eyes. I'm Clay Travis's out the coverage

(01:28:07):
on Fox Sports Radio. That's fake news. That was me
quoting Justin liar liar Cooper live from the Geico Fox
Sports Radio studios. What does it mean when Geico says
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(01:28:31):
waking up across the country, this is what you've missed.
Justin Cooper being fired for these outlandish, unacceptable, outrageous comments. No,
I think this is you know, I think this is
a regional thing. I think you've got all of your
your southern, you know, sec country followers backing you up
on this. But if you talk to the more uh

(01:28:53):
you know, cultured people of the of the coasts, they'll
they'll tell you that Chick fil As not all the
more cultured people of the coast your calls Ali and Jacksonville.
He's gay and he loves Chick fil A. Ali, what's up? Oh? Ali,
you're a girl. This is even better. Ali, you're gay.

(01:29:15):
When did you decide you were a lesbian? Oh? God,
I think I was in like in middle school. Middle school.
Do you have a girlfriend right now? Do you have
a girlfriend right now? What does she look like? Uh?
She's pretty hot, I say, so. Did you call yourself
a lipstick lesbian? Like you're a good looking girl and

(01:29:36):
you have a good looking girlfriend. Yes, So, Like you
are a big fan of Chick fil A, So you
and your lesbian girlfriend will go to Chick fil A.
And even though they don't think you guys should be
able to get married, you're like, the chicken sandwich is
so good, I'll still eat here. Oh yeah, I don't care.
I think that every time I go there. I'm like
you guys might not like me, but I'm still gonna
give you my money and I'm still gonna eat your food. Amen.

(01:29:56):
How often do you hook up with your with your
hot girlfriend? Uh? Uh all the time? I guess, like
every day, like every other day. Like what do you
guys typically do when you hook up? Like do you relationship?
I mean I don't think anybody hops us every day?
But but like, do you guys live together? Like? Where
what's your what? What what's your day to day? Oh? Yeah,
we've lived together. Weven together for like four and a

(01:30:17):
half years. Four and a half years, you guys have
been here. Where'd you meet? Uh? In Las Vegas? Actually?
Did you know that she was gay when you met her?
Or you just kind of hoping she was gay? Um?
I knows she was gay. He kind of got like
a gayar kind of works. So where were you in
Las Vegas when you met her? Um? I was actually

(01:30:37):
at a party. It was one of my friends parties.
And then she had some friends from California come over
and that's where I'm there. And then you moved her
to Jacksonville to live with you. Yeah, well I was
at the time. I was in the army um, and
then I ended up getting out in the back home.
So yes, he came with me. So I love this.
So did the like did at what point like the

(01:31:01):
Chick fil A thing when like the whole gay thing
happened and they're like, Chick fil a hates gay people?
Did you ever think about giving up the Chick fil
a sandwich? No? You don't care what people think anyway.
So I mean it's definitely the best taking place. And
the West Coast people are biased anyways, because if it's
not in and out, then it's not good. Yeah. See,
I think the West Coast is incredibly biased here. And

(01:31:22):
I'm with you, like I'm straight, but if I were gay,
I would still eat a Chick fil a dot now
because I don't think gay people should get married. I
think you guys should be as miserable as everybody else.
But just because chicken sandwich is so good? Yeah, absolutely, Ali,
thank you for the call, and thank you for being
a great lesbian. That is Ali, She is obviously in
love with Chick fil a sandwich and also her hot girlfriend.

(01:31:44):
That may be the best call we've had in a while.
Don't you think you should have kept her asking more questions?
More engrossed than that than you were Rob Riggle last week.
It's one of the best interviews you've you've given seriously,
like you were in depth, like you you like you
down that thing, David briefly just broken. You put give
me hot lesbians to talk to on a regular basis,
then I will like dive right in and ask all

(01:32:06):
sorts of interesting questions you give me, Rob freaking Wriggle.
What do I'm gonna ask Rob Wriggle about? I'm about
question Rob Wriggle, Like nobody even knows who Rob Wriggle is.
Everybody knows who Ali and Jacksonville. You don't even know
what sex Alley is. How many alleys you like Ali?
He's gay and he loves chick fil A? How many
alleys have you ever met in your life that are guys?

(01:32:29):
You should have said lesbian loves chick fil A instead
of gay loves chick fil A. If just no, if
I were screening calls and it was Ali in Jacksonville,
you wrote gay loves chick fil A. That's what That's
what I had to go on when I went in there.
Lesbian loves Chick fil A. That's what I would have done.

(01:32:51):
Sorry for being an intelligent expert when it comes to
lesbian I wrote Ali in Jacksonville. People have all sorts
of names. Be mean that they're all sorts of names
that like boy named Sue ever heard of it? There's
all sorts of people with names that you would think
would be a girl or guy. Say wait, but if
she if she had called and it was a guy,

(01:33:11):
I would have said, it's a guy. I even do that.
I'll put an M or a F. If it's a
name that could go both ways, Ali, she might be
able to go with ways. I don't know. But Ali
as a name that's a female's name, A L L
I E. There's not a single man I've ever heard
of named Ali now here. We're gonna get like three
guys in named Ali. They're gonna call in the show
that I'm sorry for trying to treat everybody equally. You

(01:33:32):
want to just go ahead and assume people's gender based
on their names. I wait for him to tell me
whether they have a penis or a vagina. So you
didn't care about people unlike you, good lord. I'm transracial.
People out there may be transgender. Jake, Jake, and Fort Worth.
What's up? What's up? Man? I'm a male straight I

(01:33:57):
love the show. Buddy. Hey, I just want to call
and say, uh, chick Fila is terrible. Uh. My wife
and kids think it's like the Holy Grail, and I
think it's very bland and not very edible. Do you
know what I think? I think your family has an
awful father. Hang up on him. You felt your family
if you call in and you say, my wife and

(01:34:19):
kids love Chick fil A and I think it's awful.
I'm sorry that they have a bad dad. They do.
They need a new dad. Mark in Indiana? What's up? Mark?
Mark actually did not wait, So let's instead go to
Jimmy and San Marcos, Texas. Jimmy and San Marcos, Texas.
What's up, hey, Clay, great show, love it man. I
just want to tell you that not Chick Fila isn't

(01:34:42):
just loved by it in the South. My wife is
from Mexico and she loves it. That's still the South.
Just pointing it out. What do you want to call
it and be like, I just want to point out
that Chick fil A isn't just loved by people in
the North. Wife is from Canada. Well that's still the North,
all right. But your wife is from Mexico and she

(01:35:04):
came to America. Did she come to America because in
Chick fil A? She came across the border for that reason. No,
she came because of me. Man. Where did you meet her? College? Man?
We were getting our masters at an economics at New
Mexico State. Oh wow, well congratulations, that's the young masters

(01:35:24):
and economics. So who makes the financial decisions in your family? Like,
who balances the checkbooks? You? Because I don't the checkbook.
I mean it's like on them, it's on Excel now
right right, it's self spreadsheet. Show off. You got a
computer you gotta make but probably have the internet to
show off. Here's the deal, here's the deal I have.

(01:35:44):
Thanks for the call. My old college roommate is like
an economics professor. And I think the higher up on
the scale of intelligence when it comes to financial matters,
the less able you are to manage the most basic things. Right,
Like my ex collegue, Dreamade is a PhD in economics
and he works at the World Bank in d C.

(01:36:04):
And like, as you get around that crew, I think
they're like unable to do like basic stuff, right, Like
you can't go out and figure you've got twenty bucks.
Like they can't do the most basic math. They're so
far above everybody else. Who are we going to next? Break?
Is it break? Break? And by the way, he's a man,
just gonna let you know how. I'm break in Memphis,

(01:36:26):
Break in Memphis. What's up? Break now? It's Blake? Heard break?
You not he Why do your ears not work? This
is a there's a huge number of people who come
on and it's different than what you write their name.
You This guy's name is Blake, which is an entirely

(01:36:47):
I was like, you're break. This is why I don't
trust you. This is why what you told me Ali,
I'm like, this could be anybody's name. We tell you
guys to break so much you think it's a name Blake.
Don't other than Jason Martin. Never heard your name and
thought you were saying break. Nope, he's calling from a
speaker phone in a wind tunnel somewhere. My phone's against

(01:37:09):
my ear. You're taking a little here, Jason Martin. All right, Blake,
I apologize. I saw this. I thought maybe he miss typed. Yeah,
all right, anyways, I just want to say that chick
Play is one of the greatest fast to a shaunt ever.
Not is there training for their operators perfect, but like
these people can't and say there's no flavor, We'll get
a spicy chicken sandwich. And then they would say there's

(01:37:29):
no tomato onions, We'll get the deluxe. Like everything is
available to you. Don't be a dumbass a f a
men Blake. Let's go to Rich in the Bay Area.
Unless his name is something else, it's actually nothing because
he disappeared. Let's go to Maddie G in Indiana. Is
that right, Maddie G? Or you actually Maddie G. Yeah,
Maddie G. Here from the middle of a cornfield, Indiana.

(01:37:50):
I have to confirm chick Play is pretty pretaky good.
I grew up in North Carolina, some kind of biased
with boj Angles, but it's kind of one eight one
D for me. Thanks for the call, have great day, guys.
You can't thank me for the call. That's one thing
that callers can work on. Thanks for the call. I
didn't call you. You called me. I can say to you,
thanks for the call. You don't thank me for the call.

(01:38:11):
He did make it look bo j angles is not
a terrible point as long as you're talking about sweet tea.
When you start talking about chicken, then you've lost me.
Somebody pointed out that you go get diet lemonade. Yeah,
just because of Splendid. I'm trying not to, you know,
drink sugar. I like the regular lemonade, but the diet
lemonade was splendid mixed with a little bit of punches.
The bus tasting killing everybody, bacon and care to everything

(01:38:32):
kills you. Man, I'm not I'm not taking sugars is
That's the main thing I'm not doing. I don't do
this much like if I'm gonna get diet. Yeah, I've
lost eighty eighty one now, I believe since February. So
basically I have changed your life every since you started
doing this show. Everything in your life has gotten better
over the last four months too. What's that I've dated

(01:38:53):
five women over the last four months? Wrong? Had it
taken you to date five women before? I had never
dated five, Like, I've never really done the random date thing.
It's always been friends and then we've just kind of
evolved relationship. I've done some through the app. I had
one obviously that you ended emailed us. I used bumble

(01:39:14):
uh to effect, I used tender to if what's your profile?
Stay on bumble and tender right now? Like what do
you write? See? I don't know because I I've met
somebody really likes I'm not really on there anymore, but
she created a profile. I think I've still got it.
Do you want me to open it up and go
to the profile? Profile says okay, I'm I'm opening bumble
right now. This isn't even probably not a good idea. Okay,

(01:39:35):
I have got Let's see national and local sports radio guy, host, writer,
pop culture critic, sports fan, music lover, decent dude looking
for a decent woman. I'm six three, have a great job,
even better friends, and zero baggage, healthy lifestyle. Down sixty
pounds since February. So this was, you know, about a
month or so ago, a month and a half ago.
I like that you dropped in the six three. They

(01:39:58):
care it matters like it member number one, Like I
am of the belief the only physical thing that people
can acknowledge now, Like if you write if you're a
guy and you say I don't date fat girls, girls
lose their mind. If you are a girl, and you
say you don't date short guys, people have to take it.

(01:40:18):
And I'll tell you this right now on behalf of
short guys. I'm six foot so, but I feel your pain.
Short guys. You can't control your height. News flash. If
you're fat, you can weigh less. Right. So when you
say I don't want to date a fat girl, what
you're really saying is lose weight, fat girl. When you
say I don't date short guys, what you're really saying

(01:40:39):
is God hates you. Right. You can't choose your height,
you can choose your weight. I think the worst part
of that is a lot of the girls who say
that they're five foot tall. Right. So my wife, My
wife is five too. I was like, if I was
five four, would you have day to me? She said
probably not. I'm like, you're five you she wouldn't even

(01:41:02):
dated me if I wasn't six ft tall. Absolute racism,
that's what that is. Talking to Damian Lillard up next,
Portland's Trailblazer. He's not that tall. Tall in the grand
scheme of things, really short for the NBA. But first,
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out true car dot com Slash Trade to day joined
now by Damian Lillard. Damian Lillard, I appreciate you coming on,
my man. Have you ever seen anything like what the
Warriors did running through the NBA playoffs this postseason? H
have it? I think I think it was two thousand.

(01:42:05):
Did the Lakers come close to it? Yeah? They went
fifteen and one. This is the best ever. Yeah, they
went fifteen and one. The Warriors went sixteen and one.
You played against them. How much better was this year's
Warriors team than last year's. I think they were better.
I mean they had to Kevin Durant, so I think
he would do the difference. When you look at everything

(01:42:30):
that's going on in the NBA right now, Does it
seem as if everybody is panicking, saying, my god, we've
got to figure out a way to compete with the Warriors.
And that's why you're seeing so much movement and so
many different teams adding and moving in different directions. Yeah,
I think that's part of it. I think everybody's um.
Everybody sees that. You know, they got a lot of
firepower and they got a lot of stars in the team,

(01:42:55):
but it came together different than what the route that
people going now. And I think you know, they drafted stuff,
they drafted Clay, they drafted Dremond and and then you
had a guy like Katie who just who you're rapping
to fit well with with the guys that they had
already and now you got, you know, guys just trying
to go team up with other stars and uh, all

(01:43:19):
that just to to be able to match up to
the Warriors. And maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, But um,
I think it's that good to say that everybody is
kind of, you know, just trying to do whatever they
can to match up with the Warriors. What did you
think when you heard that Kyrie Irving requested a trade
from the Calves. Did you had you heard that before
it went public or did you find out like a

(01:43:40):
lot of the rest of us did. I found out
when the rest when the rest of the world did.
So what did you think about that? I mean, I
think he just wants to do his own thing. He've
been to the finals the last three years with Brown
and you know, maybe he feel like he raised to
lead his own lead his own team. So I mean

(01:44:01):
you got to respect it. There's been some talk about
your team potentially trying to make a move for Carmelo Anthony.
You're one of the You can look at the favorites
for where guys might end up, and your guys are
on the outside looking in. What do you think your
team should do to try to get to be the
next level to be able to compete. So I think

(01:44:23):
we once we added another last season, we take steps up.
We became a much better team. Man won a lot
of games. So I think we were already improved going
into next season having in for a full season. Um,
but now we just need uh to take those opportunities
to look at the guys that are on the move,

(01:44:44):
you know, and there is a player that can UH
fit with our roster, and you know the their team
was looking to move them where they're looking for someone else.
We need to jump in on it. And you know
we can't. We can't just look at and sell it
as not possible. We can't get to the office I
got out there on the move. We need to be
trying to be involved, especially if they actually sit and

(01:45:08):
they can help and prove our team. Do you think
Carmelo Anthony would fit on your team here? For sure?
I think he says perfectly. Have you talked to him
at all about the idea of playing for the Trailblazers briefly? What? What?
What did you tell him? Like we want you. I'm
kind of curious what those conversations would be like. I mean,

(01:45:28):
I just told him, um that where our interest was,
that we really wanted to win our team. And you know,
we didn't talk about details. What I just share what
I thought he could do for us and why it
will make sense or at least to me, why I
made sense. And you know, we lefing at that. See.
I think that's fascinating. I think a lot of fans

(01:45:49):
would be fascinated by that too. Did the NBA, You
guys have a lot of power now in terms of
individual players and trying to put together teams that can
contend for championships. How much interaction do you have with
the other guys who were stars in the league. You're
still you're a star in the NBA. Uh. There are
a lot of other stars in the NBA looking around
to try to make moves. How frequently do you have

(01:46:09):
conversations like that with other guys? I mean hardly ever. Um,
you know, I like to compete against the best players, so, um,
you know, unless it's a guide, as you know, maybe
he's a free agent. Um, I feel like they could
turn me up our team and then you know, I'll

(01:46:31):
reach out, you know, and figured it out. But I don't,
you know, during the scene and the whole summer, I'm
not constantly reaching out the guys to try and um
get him the time to Portland. Um, you know, Like
I said, I'm much rather compete against the best player.
That's when the game is almost fun to me. So

(01:46:51):
what's what's what's fascinating about that to me is obviously
year old school in some respects. Like I've heard Reggie Miller, uh,
like he would never do what Kevin Durant did to
go join a team that was already the best. Would
you do what Durant did and join a team like
the Warriors that was already a championship caliber team. We personally,

(01:47:14):
I wouldn't do it, But um, you have so many,
so many teams, They way guys, they trade guys, a
lot of things happened. So when the guy has vicinity
to be an unrestricted free agent and go wherever he
wants to go in uh, team up when he wants

(01:47:37):
to team up Widge and you. It's not much you
can say about it because it goes both ways. But personally,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it. We're talking to Damian
Lillard here on I'll keep the coverage Fox Sports Radio
with Clay Travis. When you look at at the landscape
of the NBA right now, Uh, the Warriors obviously had
an incredible run. They went sixteen and one, they're the

(01:47:59):
defending champs. They played against the Calves, and I'd like
to ask guys who are playing in the NBA. Did
you watch the finals? Would be the number? Question number one?
Did you sit around they watch it? And question number
two were you rooting for the Calves or the Warriors.
Um my watch five. Watched like two games, and probably

(01:48:22):
the second half of one of them, second half of
Game three. I was, um, but I didn't watch every game,
and I didn't cheer either team. I played for the
NBA team, So so you didn't have any any rooting
interest at all. It's not like you're thinking, oh, I'd
like to see Lebron win a second. I mean, I
know you want your team to win, but I'm just
kind of curious in general in the NBA, do you

(01:48:45):
think guys like the Warriors or do you think they
like the Calves better when they actually get to the
finals and there's only two teams left. I'm not sure.
I think. Um, everybody has a mind of their own.
I know I watched it. I just wanted to see
a good series. Um, I know it was gonna be
really competitive. Um I knew. I knew the cabal at

(01:49:09):
a Nams for with all those weapons at the Waters
that uh you know, they came back for Flo evenge
after Little in the finals last year. So I knew
it was gonna be a tough series for both teams.
So you know, I don't really care. You know which
team run. I didn't come in saying, I hope this
team wins of his team movies. You are a smart guy.

(01:49:30):
You understand the NBA is making a lot of money.
Players are making a lot of money. But one of
the things that obviously was a concern was the amount
of guys taking games off rest during the regular season.
Maybe the regular season not mattering as much. Do you
think that's an issue for the NBA. Do you think
that Adam Silver needs to get involved or is it
something that he should just ignore. You play eight two games,

(01:49:53):
It's a tough, long grind of a season. How does
the NBA and address resting issues in the I think
it was you. I think you're a looted too to
handle it out however they choose to handle it. Um.
You know, you you have some guys that might have

(01:50:14):
nagging injuries that you don't want to come back to
hurt you at the end of the season. Um, but
when it when those guys just resting because they had
a few tough games and they had it, you know,
maybe four games or five nights or something like that.
I'm not sitting now. I don't think. Um, you know,

(01:50:34):
that should be an option you have, you know, so
many kids coming to these games, or some many young
athletes coming to these games, and you know maybe a
mother played her her last dime to to give her
a child to this game, and you know their favorite
player isn't playing. There's so many different scenarios to uh

(01:50:55):
that you could put in that because I could says
the reason why I try to play as many games
as possible. But you also have to understand that the
rest is needed to play a lot of games. We're
in the road a lot, we fly a lot, A
lot of things you know could could be a reason
why people rest, But for me, personally, I gotta be

(01:51:17):
out there. Plan. It's summer. What are you doing? Are
you watching Game of Thrones? What do you do to
get away from the grind of basketball in the regular season?
What are you doing now? Well, right now, I'm a
part of a Powerier School program through Pola, where five
schools get a share of one million dollars by submit
video and sa pola dot com and they'll go through

(01:51:40):
the videos and read the essays and decide which one
is the most powerful um and which of those schools
the most deserving of the help. So that's what I'm
up to right now last question for you. Do you
think Carmelo Anthony will end up playing with you at Portland?
And do you hope that he does. I'm not sure,
but I hope he did outstanding stuff. I appreciate the

(01:52:03):
time a man, good luck the rest of the summer.
Thank you. That is Damian Lillard. I am Clay Travis.
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this story I saw and I couldn't believe it. It's
out of l A. A little bit of quick animal
thunderdome action here. If we've got some audio for us,
let's hit the Animal Thunderdome news. I want to hit
this one for you before I forget. We'll get it eventually.
This is an amazing story. US Customs and Border Patrol

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officer sees three deadly king cobras and they were shipped
in a package of potato chip cans. Customs officials made
a startling discovery when inspecting a package on its way
to a moderate Park apartment. And I'm reading this is
the l A times three. There's the music in the background.

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Three highly venomous king cobra snakes, each about two ft long.
We're hidden in potato chip cans. I don't know about you.
I think you have to go to prison for the
rest of your life if you ship cobras and potato
chip cans. On Tuesday, the alleged recipient, Roderigo Franco was
arrested on a federal smuggling charge after a month's long

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investigation that also involved the seizure of a crocodile, three alligators,
snapping turtles, and five diamondbacked terrapins, all of which are
protected species. For months, according to federal court records, Franco
used WhatsApp to negotiate shipments of snakes and turtles to

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and from Hong Kong. In March, authorities intercepted many packages,
including the three deadly snakes, along with three albino Chinese
soft shelled turtles and six other turtles that he tried
to mail in socks to Hong Kong. This is unbelievable,

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Franco told authorities. He previously received two other packages with
twenty king cobras, all of which he said died in transit.
How unbelievable is that if you ship king cobras that
like this makes me nervous, just like looking underneath my
chair here in the studio, because I expect the king

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cobra to be anywhere. Is there any disagreement that you
should go to prison for the rest of your life
if you ship king cobras in a potato chip container.
Jason Martin no doubt at all, Like that guy should
never be allowed on the streets of anywhere ever again,
like he should not even be able to eat anymore.
Just kill him, just killing. I might be okay with

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bringing back the guillotine and just chopping this guy's head off.
I think if you make the decision to put keen
cobra's inside of a potato chip canister, you are untrustworthy
and probably unworthy of life. Agree or disagree, Danny g
and Justina death penalty for this guy, Like it should

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be on the books. What's he doing with the turtles
and the tortoises? To come on, dude, that's still weird
put in a crocodile, also the crocodile in Monterey. But
also to me, like the that's at least defensible. At
least you can have the turtles and they're not gonna
kill people. Just the guy has shipped twenty three keen

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cobras to California just about that, Well, he just said
that turtles taste better than tortoises. That's your East that's
your West Coast elitism there by the way, and you
know that if the cobra gets out, he lives right.
That's what's crazy. The weather is good in southern California.
If one of these twenty three cobra's escapes, it's just

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gonna be living in California and next thing you know,
like you're out just chilling at the beach and a
cobra just rises up right next to you. That guy
should be executed, no doubt. Go download the podcast. You'll
be glad that you did fantastic show today even if
Jason Martin was totally wrong and I was right again.
Sometimes it's difficult being the King Solomon of the Internet

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and also radio. When you're right about everything, sometimes it
is a burden to carry. I'm Clay Travis Goie Chick
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