Clay Saban

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Last night if you missed it, the college foot ball
playoff rankings came out and pretty much everything I told
you on Monday came to fruition in terms of projecting

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what was likely to happen. Let's start with where we're
headed here. I'm going down to Atlanta on Friday and
I will watch Alabama and Georgia play in the SEC
Title Game. There what's interesting about the SEC Title Game
is I believe, as I told you on Monday, and
as the college Football Playoff ranking showed last night, Alabama

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is in the playoff. There are two teams that are
in the playoff and are not going to be left out.
That is Alabama and that is Notre Dame. And Notre
Dame obviously doesn't have a game at all, so they're
sitting at twelve and oh with no issues going forward.
Alabama is twelve and oh and no matter what happens
against Georgia with the small caveat of unless two A

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got hurt substantially, let me toss that out there and
was suddenly out for the season like Mackenzie Milton at
Central Florida, like Alex Smith against Washington barring a significant
injury for Twah. Talking about Ia, then we're talking about
Alabama automatically, in which means there's two spots available for

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the college football Playoff. Alabama's in and Notre Dame is in.
Now we don't know necessarily where those teams are gonna
be seated, although if Alabama wins, Crimson tied are gonna
be one and I think it's likely that Notre Dame
is gonna be three, and then there are two open spots.
Clemson plays against Pittsburgh as a twenty six point favorite.

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If Clemson loses that game, I don't think Clemson would
make the College Football Playoff because their overall resume is
not that strong and there would be a lot of
other teams with every bit as good of resumes. So
Clemson needs to win to be in. Even though we
know that they're the best team in the a c C,
the a c C is just not very strong. You

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look overall at the a c C across the board,
all right, So that is intriguing in and of itself.
Here is the big debate, right what's gonna happen between Georgia, Oklahoma,
and Ohio State. Georgia right now is the number four
team in the country in the College Football Playoff rankings.

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If Georgia beats Alabama to get to twelve and one,
there is no doubt that Georgia will advance to the
College Football Playoff. And that means that regardless of what
Oklahoma did, regardless of what Ohio State did, both of
those teams would be left out. Alabama Georgia, Clemson, and
Notre Dame would be your college football playoff. But if

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Alabama beats Georgia and Alabama is around a two touchdown
favorite over Georgia. If Alabama beats Georgia, then Oklahoma would
make the college football Playoff with a win over Texas
and Ohio State I believe would make the College football
Playoff with a win over Northwestern. Now what if Oklahoma loses?

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What if Ohio State loses? Then eleven into Georgia would
be in the college football Playoff even if they lost
to Alabama, and we might get an immediate rematch between
Alabama and Georgia in the college football Playoff. That is
your college football playoff picture in a nutshell. There are

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six teams still alive to make the college football Playoff.
I just ran through all of them with you. Now,
this brings up something that I have been on for
some time when I climb on my soapbox, and that
is how many of these conference title games are absolutely worthless.

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Alabama george is an interesting game. I'm excited to watch it.
It really might not matter at all. Also, the a
c C title game Clemson and Pittsburgh totally worthless. The
Big Ten title game Ohio State against Northwestern totally worth worthless.

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The Pac twelve title game, Washington going up against Utah
not that interesting. The Big twelve title game, well, at
least you're gonna get a rematch. But we already know
that Oklahoma was the best team in the Big Twelve
all year. That's why we played the games. Oklahoma finished

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eleven and one. Nobody else win eight and one in
the Big Twelve. The conference title games are typically big
money makers that make no sense really when it comes
to advancing the game of college football. And that's because
typically we play the tire season to determine who the

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best team is. In college football, it's very rare that
we have two teams who have not played that are
even and need to play against each other to determine
who the champion is. It also creates the College Football Playoff,
does the stupidity of college football divisions, which make no
sense at all. First of all, they're often lopsided when

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it comes to talent. Let me give you an example.
The Big Ten East is much better than the Big
Ten West. You've got Penn State, Michigan State, Ohio State,
and Michigan all on one side of the table when
it comes to the Big Ten. On the other side,
you've got Nebraska, You've got Wisconsin, you've got Northwestern. Northwestern

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lost all three of its out of conference games this year,
lost a Duke, lost too uh Notre Dame, and worst
of all, lost to Akron. Yet they are playing for
the Big Ten title. Doesn't make any sense at all.
It's a vestige of geography, makes no sense. So my
question that I've been writing about and talking about for

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a while, We're gonna bring on Dan Wetzel, Yeah, who's
sports national columnist an hour three to discuss this because
he wrote about it today. Why do we need conference
title games at all? Why do we need divisions? Wouldn't
you rather just expand the college football playoff and go
to eight teams overall and eliminate the conference title games

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and in them. Now, I know they're big money makers.
I know there are a lot of commissioners out there
that like the college football title games because it keeps
the corporate sponsors happy, because they like being able to
grab each of their respective feudal kingdom cities where they
bring in their conference title game and put on os

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for the sponsors. The Big ten gets Indianapolis, the SEC
gets Atlanta, the a c C goes and grabs Charlotte,
UH and the UH and the Big twelve gets Dallas.
I think the PAC twelve, if I'm not mistaken, is
set out there in the forty Niners Stadium in Santa
Clara for years to come as well. It allows them

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to go sign these deals with these independent cities. But
wouldn't you prefer wouldn't you prefer to see a college
football playoff take place on campus? Wouldn't you rather see
a one to eight college football playoff? And let me
just give you an example. If we were using right

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now the college football playoff rankings of their top eight
teams to see this playoff instead of all those conference
title games going on this weekend that I just gave you,
we would be set up preparing for a one to
eight battle featuring Alabama playing against Central Florida. I know

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Mackenzie Milton's injury is unfortunate, but Central Florida people have
been arguing for so long, Hey, we deserve to be
in the playoff. So assuming that Central Florida UH was
was in the playoff like they are right now, we
would have Alabama against u CF. By the way, you
would also play all of these games on the home

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the higher seeded teams home field, so you would play
an extra home game in Tuscalaloosa, which is one of
the best things about college football is the home field. Also,
you would advantage the teams that finish in the top
four so that they would get to host a home team,
so that the regular season would matter even more, just

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like we see happen every year in the NFL. Who
gets to play at home is a big deal. That's
why you play the regular or season. Then you would
have number two Clemson against number seven Michigan, so Michigan
would get an opportunity to prove whether or not they
deserve to be in the playoff mix, whether Jim Harbaugh's

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team is as bad as they looked against Ohio State.
You'd have number three Notre Dame hosting a home playoff
game against Ohio State. Can you imagine how cool of
an environment that would be in South Bend to have
Notre Dame hosting Ohio State right there on campus. And

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then you would have Georgia rematching last year's classic semifinal
game against Oklahoma in Athens. Tell me that those games
would not be infinitely preferable to the conference title games
that we have set up. Right now, I'm gonna open
up the phone lines eight seven, seven, six re six nine.

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Now I want to give college football credit. I was
watching that seventy four to seventy two overtime game between
l s U and Texas A and M last Saturday,
and my ten year old was watching with me, and
he said, wow, Dad, how long have you ever seen
an overtime game this long? I said, yeah, I've seen,

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you know, a couple of overtime games that have gone
on this long. But I said, remember, we've only had
overtime for like fifteen years or twenty years in college
football so far. And he looked at me like I
was crazy. He said, Dad, what happened before that? And
I said, well, college football games often ended in ties
before that, and he said a tie. And then we

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got into a further discussion. And while we were watching
that sev seventy two game, and I found myself talking
about how there used to be sometimes multiple national champions
and how everybody would just sit around and vote on
who the best teams were. And his mind was blown
because He's grown up in an era where the college
football playoff has only existed, and so the idea that

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there used to be ties into college football and the
idea that you could have multiple split national champions that
everybody was voting on is so absurd to him that
it's hard for him to even contemplate. But if you
think about what could happen with an eight team college
football playoff with four games on campus, isn't that the

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final straw, the final perfect setup to make college football
as good as it can possibly be? Can you imagine
if we had that eight team playoff that we were
rolling into in December right now, instead of these conference
title games Alabama, UCF, Clemson, Michigan, Notre Dame going up

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against Ohio State, and Georgia going up against Oklahoma, it
would be phenomenal. Now, some of you might be thinking, well,
why can't we play the conference title games and also
do the eight team playoff? You certainly could, but I
think you would then get into a really interesting situation
where the teams that didn't make the conference title game

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would be in a lot better shape because they get
to play one less game. And also, it would make
no sense why you would need to play those games
because the teams that would be in the playoff would
already be in the playoff. Alabama against Georgia just wouldn't
even make sense in the SEC title game. And if
you were Clemson, you wouldn't want to be playing Pittsburgh.

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You'd be like, we're already in the playoff as the
two seed. Why in the world do we need to
play a seven and five Pittsburgh team when everybody already
knows that we're the best team in the a SEC.
And Ohio State could rightfully say as well, why do
we need to play Northwestern when everybody already knows that
we are the best team in the Big Ten this year?

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That's why we played the regular season. College football anti
playoff proponents used to say, we'll make the regular season
matter less. Well, that's certainly wrong. The college football regular
season has never mattered more, but oftentimes these conference title
games have never mattered less. So why not just do

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away with him? If you have two teams that end
up with the same record, they can be co champs
in the UH in the in the conference. Why does
that matter? Who cares? And then we can figure out
who's better by getting into the postseason in the playoff,
just like we do in college basketball. Now, how many

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people care really very much who wins a conference championship
in college basketball or if two teams end up tied
and split a conference championship. That's why we have the
n C Double A Tournament. Ultimately, we decide who the
best team is with the n C Double A Tournament
to play out. Okay, I'm gonna open up the phone lines.

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up a poll question as well. My name is Clay Travis.
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As a confident show, we're talking about the college football
playoff rankings We've got a lot of calls I want
to get to. I want to go around the crew
first and and pull you guys. And by the way,
we're gonna talk to John Campbell at the end of
the hour. We'll get you some gambly picks on these
conference title games as well as we roll into the
twelfth game of the NFL season. But we bring up

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the crew, do you guys agree? You're just gonna go
around quickly? Do you agree with me that you would
rather have an eight team college football playoff the games
that I just ran through, then you would play these
conference title games this weekend if you had to choose,
Danny g Are you on my side? One? Roberto my side? Uh,

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Eddie Garcia on my side? Here, there's a clean sweep. Absolutely,
And I'm assuming dub you're a big college football fan
as well. Are you in on this side as well? Yeah?
I'm not sure how you could disagree with that. Alright,
So everybody on the show agree, Do you guys agree?
Let's go to some of your calls eight seven, seven, six,
three six nine. If you're just waking up. We talked

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about the college football playoff where we're headed, and I
said if you just use the College Football Playoff rankings
right now, you'd have number one Alabama against number eight UCF,
Number two Clemson against number seven Michigan, Number three Notre
Dame against number six Ohio State, Number four Georgia against
number five Oklahoma. All of those games would be played

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on the home field of the higher seed. I'm using
the College Football Playoff Committee seatings. Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame,
and Georgia would all get home fields, uh to play
this first round of the playoff, and then you'd go
into the semifinal and the final as it exists right now.
Trevor in Indiana, what you think, heak, Thanks for taking

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my call and lover the show. Uh. I think it
sounds like a sexy plan, the eight team playoffs, Uh,
Notre Dame. I'm a big Notre Dame fan. I we
lived by an hour from South then. Um, the thought
of Ohio State coming into Notre Dame Stadium would be huge,
and the other games as well, Alabama UCF, that just
sounds like a really cool matchup. I think it would

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be a great idea. I agree with you. So, Trevor
and Indian. Yeah, Trevor and Indiana I'll hopping on. Let's
go to Stephen down in Louisiana. Stephen, what's up, Hey, Clay,
thanks for taking my call. So I'm a big L
s U fan, so I don't really have a dog
in this fight. But a couple of weeks ago, you're
talking about how an eight team would water down the

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regular season, and Gift wouldn't give any motivations teams like
u CEF and Missus who just got blown now to
have a stronger strength of schedule south woman, stupent, you
thought about that. I don't think I've ever been thanks
to the call. I've been a big proponent of the
eight team playoff for a long time and and and
thanks for the call. I don't think it would water
down the playoff water down the regular season at all.

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I think water down the regular season arguer is literally
the dumbest the argument you can make, maybe in the
world of sports right now, because every other sport plays
to get to the postseason, and they get into the
postseason with as many teams as they can to make
the postseason as entertaining as it can possibly be. Talking

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about water down the regular season, the a c C
Championship game only matters if Clemson loses, The Big Ten
Championship game only matters. If Ohio State loses, the PAC
twelve Championship game doesn't matter at all, and the SEC
Championship game only matters if Alabama loses that leaves and honestly, really,

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the Big twelve Championship game only matters if Oklahoma loses.
From a national title perspective, all five of our conference
title games this year don't matter if the better team wins.
If Clemson wins the A c C Championship game doesn't matter.
If Ohio State wins the Big Big Ten Championship game

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doesn't matter. If Alabama wins, the SEC Championship game doesn't matter,
If Oklahoma wins, the Big twelve Championship game doesn't matter,
and the Big Pack twelve Championship game doesn't matter regardless.
Tommy and Florida, what's up? Tommy? Am I still on?
Can you guys hear me loud and clear, Clay, We're

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having some issues here with some some buttons on this
board here in Nashville. Uh, it is the nineteen seventies board,
all right. W try to just pop up the next
person and let me know who you think is gonna
talk or should I go to Eddie and get the
update and then we'll figure out how to take the
rest of these calls. Yeah, I go to Eddie real quick.
All right, Eddie Garcia, come in, give me an update
on what's shaking the world of sports. Well, of course

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you just mentioned the big story from yesterday, and that's
the latest college football rankings. Of course, number one is
Alabama Clemson to Notre Dame three. But who would be
the number four team with Michigan losing last week, and
that would be the Georgia Bulldogs. Number five is Oklahoma.
Ohio State checks in it. Number six. Those are the
first two teams on the outside looking in. Of course,
Alabama and Georgia will play each other in the SEC

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The only hard part figuring out which way is easier?
In which way easier? Right now? Well, in theory, it
should be relatively easy, uh to talk to our callers,
but dub, what's the update here? So on this old

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ancient board here in Nashville, it went smoothly on the
first couple of collars, and now the buttons to put
the callers through is just simply not working. M awesome alright,
let's uh, let's call John Campbell. Let's call an audible
here instead of taking your calls. We appreciate all of
you calling uh and uh and and joining us. UH.

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We will go to John Campbell instead. Can you do
that for me? Uh? Danny g go ahead and get
John Campbell on the line. We were gonna talk to
him at the end of the hour. We'll see. Do
we have any idea how to fix the buttons on
the telephone? Dub Do you have a hammer there in Nashville?
I might start using my fist here in a second. Uh.

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Do we want to try again? Are you confident that
they aren't working at all? I'm extremely confident. Ever happens?
Does this ever happened? Has there ever been a point
in time where the Mike and Mike show, I think
it's called Mike and Trey now right, ESPN our competitor,
the one that we're dunking on on a regular basis.
Do you think the buttons on their phones have ever

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not worked? Well? You know what, Clay, It's funny you
mentioned it because I actually seen the boarder that they
work on. Their board is so nice. They put it
on the they show a picture of it on the air.
The technology that they have on their show is so
spectacular that they will just show up just like dunk
on us. But it's like a guy. But it's like

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a dude having a midlife crisis. Though, who needs a
nice car? You know what I mean? We have we
have better. We have better, so we don't show better.
There's no doubt about that. But it would be useful
if the buttons on our national radio show would actually work.
I think at some point you need to take a
picture of that studio. I I the Nashville studio that

(25:58):
that we have. It is like a studio in Lost. Uh.
If you watch the television show Lost when they had
to push the button and lost, and it's like the
nineteen seventies in there. I don't even know how these
boards work. That thing is so old. First of all,
I don't understand how it would be possible. Let's just

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go here for a minute, that we could punch up callers,
uh and have them come on, and then our buttons
would just stop working. I mean, the the the degree
to which we are technologically behind the times on that
board is out of this world. And we got a
great topic. We got loaded lines. Everybody wants to come
in and talk, and our buttons don't work. John Campbell's

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with us, John Campbell, do you think that anybody at
ESPN Radio has ever tried to take calls and the
buttons on their board just don't work? I mean, this
is this is a difference maker for for my show,
for Fox Sports Radio in general. You don't know whether
a button is gonna work or not on this show.

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I don't. I don't. It's it's amazing to me, That's
what I said. Like when about after like thirty seconds,
I'm like, am I actually on? Is this show on?
Is there anybody out there listening? Uh? John Campbell, We
are debating whether or not there should be any conference
title games at all, because so many of these conference
title games are utterly worthless for anything, frankly other than gambling.

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All five of them really only matter if the favorite
gets upset, if Oklahoma loses, if Alabama loses, if Ohio
State loses, if Clemson loses. All four of them are
playing games that are virtually worthless. Uh. In terms of
actually helping their chances. You can at least argue the
Big twelve Oklahoma would be helped but only if Georgia loses. UM. So,

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when you look at these games, which one are you
most excited to gamble on? Uh? Probably Utah Washington because
I think I think Utah cannot set Washington here and
I think there's some good money line value and that
one the Friday night game as well, So so that's
probably the one for me that I'm most excited about.
But but you're right, without gambling needs, these are kind

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of lackluster games. It's don't like their anti climactics here
at the end of the season. But it's one of
those things we need to be careful what we wish for.
We we want to replay in sports, and now it
takes too long, and let's go back to two official judgments,
and we want a championship games, and now we got them,
and now we're complaining about them. So I just gamble
on them and make sure I have some fun with them.

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If Vegas were setting the four teams for the college
football Playoff, I think it's clear they would take Alabama.
I think it's clear they would take Clemson. Would they
take Notre Dame, would they take Georgia? Who do you
think Vegas would tell us the four best teams in
college football this year are I think they would definitely
take Notre Dame in there, and I think Ohio State

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that's that's probably who I would put in there as well,
especially with the way they capped off the season with
the win over Michigan. That one matters, I think for
style points. I think if Ohio State blows out Northwestern,
who's one of the dean of the last sixteen Big
Ten games, I think that's going to give them a
little bit of a boost and might be able to
slide them in there. Should Northwestern not be eligible to

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play in the Big Ten Championship game because they lost
to Akron. I know it's not a Big Ten school,
but shouldn't you have like, hey, if you lose to
Akron for the first time as a Big Ten school
since eighteen, even if you have a good Big Ten record,
you don't get to play for the championship unless we're
gonna make Akron the Big Ten champs of Northwestern wins. Yeah,

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maybe a rule. If you lose to a team that's
games after rubber boots, then maybe maybe you can't get
in there. But north all Northwestern does is win and
cover spreads their thirteen and three against the spread in
the last sixteen Big Ten games. That was a weird
kind of sandwich game where they just they just got
caught against an accuracy agrin team that can score a

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little bit. So I don't penalize them too much. I
just think it was a bit of a bad schedule
of situation. Before we're talking to John Campbell. You can
follow him on Twitter at Johnny odd Shark. When you
go into the NFL, Right now, what do you like
on the NFL slate? In particular? Tomorrow is a pretty
big game, right we got the Saints going on the
road against the Cowboys. Saints over a touchdown favorite. How

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would you play Thursday night football? Well, Thursday night football, Uh,
you just take the favorite. Basically, the favorite is nine
to two against the spread this season, and going back
and coming into this season, the Thursday Night favorite was
covering a fifty nine percent and and doing even better
than that this year. So I really don't handicap these

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Thursday night games too tightly anymore because you don't need to.
You just you just take the favorite. But that said,
I like the things anyway. I like them to win
by double digits and and and the big improvement they've made.
The one area where they weren't playing well was in
the secondary and corner coverage, and they've improved so much
in that area over the last three games. They're they're
lying two seventeen yards consume per game over the last

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three compared to almost three hundred on the season, So
improvement there. I think they beat the Cowboys by double digets.
A couple other interesting games in the NFL in terms
of games that could have a substantial impact down the
stretch in the playoffs, I think the two most interesting
are the Vikings against the Patriots and the Chargers against

(31:26):
the Steelers. Do you like either one of these sides?
The Patriots now around a five point favorite, the Steelers
a little over a field goal over the Chargers. All
four of those teams would be in the playoff if
the season we're ending today. Yeah, I I just don't
ever bet against the Patriots. It's and I do like
them to cover this one here. They've they've won ten

(31:46):
straight as a home favorite and then nine and one
against the spread and notes and all these guys do
seem to cover the spread. Last week, you kind of
look like they were in trouble and were't going to cover,
and then of course they do. So I don't bet
against the Patriots. I like the charge Ers and the
other one. I think the signed should be a little
bit closer to a pick. I liked the gritty way
the Chargers are playing in Philip Rivers, which is so

(32:08):
efficient last week. He's been playing really well this season.
But on defense they've been tough and gritty, and Pittsburgh's
run game has kind of gone away in the last
couple of games, so a lot of stress on the
past team. I think that matches up well for the
Chargers with with the Steelers laying more than a pucal
I'll take the underdog in that one. Anything else that
is out there gambling wise that you were interested in

(32:30):
as we come in towards the weekend, well, in college football,
I like Alabama Georgia under quite a bit. We talked
about underseas three. We talked about Alabama's offense all the time,
and and we shook like. Their defense is incredible as well,
number three red zone defense, UH four defense, touchdown scored
as well. They score on defense, and George has a

(32:50):
great defense too, So I really like the under in
that one under. Um, so yeah, that's probably the other
one in college, are like a lot outstanding as always.
Go follow John Campbell at Johnny odd Shark on Twitter. Uh,
and we appreciate you joining us, man thankfully. All Right, dub,
what's the latest on the phones? The board, at least

(33:13):
where the phone line is connected is totally frozen. And uh,
that's the update. Do we have any idea how to
unfreeze the board? You know, I have a I have
a good set of skills, but one of those skills
does not include dissecting this nineteen sixty four board and
figuring that out. So I'm gonna have to go seek
some assistance on that. And I'm not sure how that's

(33:34):
gonna go. At five forty local time, Yeah, nobody's in
the building. Uh, suggestion from you, Danny G. Yeah. So
Roberto and I are waking up our tech engineer right now,
the director of tech here at Fox, and it is
impossible to flip the calls. Well, that's why we're waking
him up right now, so we'll hopefully reroute things to
Los Angeles. The reason why that could make sense is

(33:54):
because our two is me doing the anonymous mailbag. Live
requires our phones to work. I don't know how I
do it. I really don't. I am surrounded by a
by a sea of ineptitude. When we return, we won't
take calls. Maybe we'll try the animal thunderdome. We haven't

(34:15):
done that yet this week? Can we we pull that off? Yeah?
We could do that. All right, We're gonna try to
do that animal thunderdome next. This is out Kicked the
Coverage on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live
editions about Kick the Coverage with Clay Travis weekdays at
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and the I Heart Radio app. Welcome back. This is

(34:36):
out Kick the Coverage. I appreciate all of you joining us.
We would have more of you joining us if our
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was like this enormous piece of chicken diarm times here,

(35:26):
this is animal thunder till. I've had this story saved
for a little while because it might be my worst nightmare.
The headline ten foot python sinks its fangs into man's
penis while he sits on the toilet in Thailand, forcing
him to rip the snake off. As quote, blood goes everywhere.

(35:49):
You want to talk about a rough way in a
rough life. I don't know how to say this. This
guy's name, but it's an amazing name. His name appears
to be turn Sack, turns back cow Pong can Pan,
and that might be the most destructive name. Use every
turn Sack cow Pong Pan went to use the toilets

(36:12):
and what this guy was cursed from birth. The guy's
name is turn Sack, and he's gonna have this happened
to him. I don't know what to say to use
the toilets at his office in Bangkok, Thailand yesterday only
for a snake to slither up through the toilet and
attack him from below. The forty five year old, and
there's video of this, by the way, The forty five

(36:33):
year old howled in pain, and colleagues rushed to the
bathroom to find him wrestling with the serpent, which had
clamped its jaws around his penis. He then, oh, man,
I hit the wrong button. Here, I hit the wrong button.
All right, I'm gonna go back. I gotta go back. Uh,
this is an amazing story. He then ripped off the
snake and sprinted outside with blood pouring from his groin.

(36:57):
The snake retreated back into the toilet bowl and turn
Sack turn Sack needed fifteen stitches in the tip of
his penis. Now now, it turn Sacks credit. At least
he could get fifteen stitches on the penis. I I
don't envy in any way that he could get fifteen stitches,

(37:18):
but at least his penis was large enough to get
fifteen stitches. Because can you imagine the only thing worse
than getting attacked while trying to go to the bathroom
by a by a huge bullet constrictor was if you
had to get stitches and you can only get like
two stitches because you didn't have enough penis there either
left or to begin with. Footage shows animal experts trying

(37:40):
to coax the animal out of its hiding place. It
had reportedly been in the pipes for several weeks. You
talk about bad luck, turn Sacks said. I was about
to stand up from the toilet. Then I felt to
bite in my penis. I immediately knew it was a snake.
I stood up and grabbed the python's head and pulled

(38:02):
it off me. There was blood everywhere. This is our boy,
turn Sack. I should have been more careful. I saw
the snake in another toilet in the house, so I
was using this one instead, but I wridden didn't realize
the toilets could be connected. I gotta tell you this
right now. I'm never using the toilet in that house again.

(38:23):
If you knew that there was a snake living in
the toilets, this is the worst story ever. Turn Sack said.
The staff at the production company had seen the snake
in the toilet two months ago and had even joked
about it biting one of them. This is unbelievable. They
tried to catch it, but after it escaped, they simply

(38:44):
stopped using the bathroom where it had been seen. This
is the this is the worst story ever. Turnsack added,
there are two bathrooms in the building. The snake had
been seen before in one of the bathrooms. We stopped
using that toilet and thought it would be okay. This
was a mistake, as I didn't realize they were connected.

(39:04):
Even in the morning. My boss had joked, be careful
of the snake. Well, I will now be more careful.
I'll be anxious every time I use a toilet now.
Rescue workers arrived and spent thirty minutes trying to tempt
the serpent from the toilet before eventually catching it and
dragging it into the street in front of the stunned neighbors.

(39:25):
The python was stuffed into a sack and driven away
to be released back into the wild. Is this the
worst animal thunderdowned story of all time? A man named
turd Sack in Thailand gets his penis bitten and has
to get fifteen stitches. We would take your reactions to
this call, but that is impossible, so we will only

(39:46):
allow you to reach out to us on Twitter. I
am at Clay Travis. I feel like we're gonna have
to unpack more of this turd sex story when we
come back. Poor guy named turd Sack and he gets
his penis bitten while he's trying to go to the bathroom.
This is a one of it. This is a pyramid
of disaster in Thailand. I'm gonna be honest with you.
We will continue to discuss. We'll also see stay tuned

(40:07):
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code Clay for savings. All right, we're talking about my guy. Uh,

(40:51):
what's his name again? I already forgot it. I knew it.
I M gonna go back. Hold on, Uh, we were
talking about my guy down in Thailand, turd Sack. Real
name turd sack called pump pumping, but um um is
his name. Uh. And I have not gotten the second
that his name is turd sack bum bum bum bum
bah bah to the way you pronounce it. Uh. Honestly,

(41:13):
I have no idea how you pronounced the second name.
The first name is t r D turd Sack, turd Sack.
I'm confident on cow pay gone pan, cow ping pan,
cow ping pan, turd sack cow ping pan. Uh. He
went to the bathroom in Thailand and while he was there,
he was attacked by a by a snake and he

(41:35):
had to get fifteen stitches. So I'm saying, bitter sweet
to get attacked by a snake while you're going to
the bathroom. The only positive thing to come out of
this story is the fact that he got a fifteen
stitches in his penis from the bite. There have to
be women that were impressed when they hear he got
fifteen stitches in his penis. They have to think, oh,

(41:57):
turn Sack a little bit more of a man than
I might have anticipate painted right. Fifteen stitches in the penis.
I don't know about you. Fifteen stitches that seems like
covers a lot of geographical terrain. I can't be the
only man who hears fifteen stitches on the penis. Stinks
that you would have to get fifteen stitches on your penis?
But positive side penis is big enough to get fifteen stitches?

(42:19):
Am I the only person who hears fifteen stitches on
the penis and thinks that's a decent sized penis? Danny
G are you also of that opinion? Uh? I was
checking our Twitter timeline right now and one of our
listeners tweeted into the show and said he thinks he
could only get nine on his so he was impressed. Uh,
this is I mean? Leeah, look, I mean fifteen is

(42:41):
who wants to talk? Am I making people uncomfortable? Here?
Is am I the only person impressed that a man
could get fifteen stitches on his penis? I think first reaction,
fifteen sounds like a pretty impressive number. Like if I said, oh,
he got his penis was mangle that was destroyed? He
only got two stitches, You'd be like, oh, man, that
guy has got some rough stuff going on to begin with,

(43:02):
Like the the snake attacked him and there was all
sorts of blood and damages and everything else, and you're like, oh,
what did they do? Well? They had to repair the
whole thing. It only took two stitches. You're like, I
don't know. Turd Sack in addition to getting attacked by
the snake, where also everybody just finds out he has
a tiny penis not really a good day for turd sack.
At least when you get fifteen stitches, you think, oh,

(43:24):
turn sack, maybe may no wonder the snake bit him
he thought it was a full meal. He didn't think
it wasn't an appetizer that was a full meal. The
snake thought he was getting thought it was a mouse,
a good sized mouse, not a small mouse. Right. That's
I think that's a fair way to look at this.
Think about it from the snake's perspective. You're living in
the pipes, probably not a lot of great food. And
by the way, this story, how is the way that

(43:48):
you respond to a snake that is living in your
pipes that you decide that you are just not gonna
use that bathroom anymore. You don't call animal control and
say there's a gigantic snake living in the bathroom. Also,
how does this snake swim from one part of the

(44:10):
bathroom to another part of the bathroom? Is this the
mcgiver of snakes? I understand the pipes are all connected.
Does the snake not need to breathe? Does? I don't
know how this works, just in all honesty. Does snakes
have lungs? How do they go underwater for this long?
I'm telling I'm tearing. This is one of my worst
nightmares is sitting down to go to the bathroom and

(44:32):
having a snake bite me. I'm not sure I'd ever
go to the bathroom again if a snake bit me.
When I went to the bathroom and God forbid a
snake bit me, And the next day I came on
the radio show and I was like, because I would
definitely come to work because I haven't ever missed a day.
And I was sitting here with gauze all over my groin,
and you were like, well, how to go? And I said, well,
I got two stitches, snake sneake bit me. My penis

(44:53):
is all torn to shreds. Doctors are trying to put
it back together again. What do they do well? They
stitched up to two stitches, you'd be like flat or
havis man, this is the worst move. And also what
was the snake thinking? Does the snake not want an
actual meal? Snakes going after the smallest mouse he's ever seen?
That was like a baby mouse, So I think turd sack.
While it is unfortunate what happened to him, the fifteen

(45:16):
stitches is the best part of this story by far am.
I if you were working in a place of business
and there were two bathrooms and one of them had
a snake that was loose in the bathroom, would you
ever go to the other bathroom? I would say, we'll
go to the phones and talk about it. But our
phones aren't working. Oh what's the update on the phones? Okay,

(45:39):
good news and bad news, Clay, So Carriss was able
to u pull some strings early in the morning here
on the West Coast. The good news the phones are rerouted.
The bad news he was only able to reroute them
to your home. So I hope your wife is not
gonna be woken up by all the callers. The joke
is on you, guys, and we don't have a phone

(46:01):
I don't have a home phone line. My home studio,
we have the T line. How do you do? How
do you celebrity guest com rex Box? I have a
cell phone. I don't have a home line. So you
so you're one of the celebrities they go to and
your phone keeps breaking up as they're interviewing you. Yeah, look,
if you want to talk to me, the understanding that
you have to do. People are like, can you give

(46:22):
me a hard line? My answer is no, I have
a cell phone if you want to talk to me.
And by the way, I don't even answer my cell phone.
If you text me, then I will see the text.
I will not answer the phone if you call me
because most of the time the people who are calling me,
I don't know the phone numbers everything else. Like I'm
the last thing I'm gonna do is just get into
a random conversation with somebody I don't know. So unless

(46:43):
unless you text me, I probably want to answer the
phone anyway, are open. We do that And so now
the phones are here in Los Angeles. Now the challenges
we don't have as many lines in l A. Oh yeah,
phones are back baby, all right. Eight, So what is
dub gonna do now, Dub, what do you do? Du
job is to answer the phones, and the phones don't work.

(47:03):
I'm here. If you need me, you can you jump
off flight to Los Angeles, Dubs. You could come screen
the calls there. What about the fifteen stitches? Kind of
impressive for turd Tack, right, But definitely the most impressive
part of the story. Now when you said that they've
noticed the snake there and they just laughed about it,

(47:25):
and and then it only stopped using that bathroom and
used the other. And then it only took it only
took thirty minutes to extract the serpent from the toilet.
I mean that mean, I mean, come on, guys, what
are we doing here? I I I just I think
there are so many poor decisions being made here. Right,
We're gonna open up the phone lines and we will
allow you to react to turd Sack being attacked by

(47:46):
the snake. Eight. I was taking calls on the college
football playoff and whether we should expand to eight. But
I gotta tell you, turd Sack getting attacked by the
snake to me in Thailand, much bigger story in the
world of sports right now. Eight seven seven nine eight seven, seven,
nine nine six six three six nine. Was this turd
Sacks Jordan flu game when he got the fifteen stitches?

(48:10):
Was this him being like, Hey, I'm turd sack baby
and I need fifteen stitches when a when a snake
attacked me trying to go to the bathroom. I don't
know I you can know who we need to get
on the phone. We got uh SHEFALLI Khan, the man
who killed the tiger. We need to track down turd Sack,
even if he doesn't speak English, and just have him

(48:32):
on to answer questions. What are they speak in Thailand? Tai?
We need him even if he's just speaking Thai. It
seems like a lot of crazy stories happened in Thailand.
Didn't those kids get stuck in the cave in Thailand? Yeah?
The Thai cave thing that rescues. All right, so we're
opening up the phone lines. Are you impressed that turd
Sack needed fifteen stitches? And or how would you react

(48:52):
if there was a snake loose in your business and
they told you just don't use that bathroom eight seven,
seven nine nine six six three six nine. All right,
on the turd sect front here, what would happen if
in the Fox Sports radio studios in l A. Because
I'll tell you what would happen. If we had a
snake loose in my house, I would sell the house.
My wife we had snakes like in the yard. My

(49:15):
wife said she had seen a snake. Now, fortunately it's
a winter here, and I was really thinking about selling
the house. I was like, I if I go outside
and I see a snake here, I'm just done. And
God forbid it's a poisonous snake. I'm finished. I'm anti snake.
I am a snakeist. I believe we should kill all
of them. I am anti snake more so than anybody
you possibly could know. And I'm very comfortably saying it.

(49:37):
I don't care. If we had an endangered species list
and we got every snake on there, I would be
perfectly fine with it. I really would. I think that
the fact that they don't have snakes in Hawaii, that's great.
I lived in the US Virgin Islands. We really don't
have snakes. They're great. In Ireland. What did they say, St. Patrick?
They went out and they killed all the snakes. There
are no snakes in Ireland. Now seems like to me

(49:59):
that would be a better place to live, a place
where there are no snakes. It's amazing to me that
you could eliminate all the snakes, But evidently they did
it in Ireland. They don't have snakes in Hawaii, they
don't really have snakes in the US Virgin Islands. All
of those very preferable to me over to having snakes perspective.
But if you told me that where I went to
work there were two bathrooms and one of them had

(50:23):
a snake that was loose in it, I would never
go to that bathroom again. And also, by the way,
am I the only person who was surprised that a
snake can just go underwater and swim around in all
these pipes from one part to another and just be
popping up from one bathroom to another. And are all
of these people working in this business stupid for not

(50:45):
realizing that if the snake could go in one bathroom,
he could also go in the other bathroom, Like, oh,
we thought the snake was only in that bathroom. Seems
like the worst rationale I have ever heard. It makes
no sense to me that that would be the rational
that you would bring to play here. You agree, like

(51:06):
I don't get it. You know, we're gonna we'll take calls.
I'm gonna open up the full see if the phones
work eight seven seven nine nine six six three six nine,
we will take your calls. Reacting to turn sack and
the snake lines are loaded eight seven seven nine nine
six six three six nine. Now the phones are going
to l a dub. What are you gonna do? You
literally have nothing to do. Now you're just sitting in

(51:27):
that nineteen seventies studio all by yourself. Like I said,
I'm here if you ever need my expert opinion on
anything related. This was a big deal. You need to
do research on how long snakes can hold their breath
because this is also terrifying me that this snake can
just swim in the in the pipes. Pipes are filled
with water. I was thinking we could get a plumber

(51:48):
on to explain to us if there's actually water that
the snake has to you know, breathe under or not,
or do you think that there's the pipe just become empty.
I think that there's always water in the pipes, because
that's why they say you don't open your you know,
open your doors when the pipes freeze or whatever. By
the way, what like, I live in Nashville, and when

(52:08):
it's really cold, they say, oh, make sure that you
know you open your cabinets so the pipes don't freeze.
Do people leave their pipes open all the time in Alaska?
Do they have special pipes? Wouldn't have pipes freeze all
the time in Alaska? It gets cold here relatively infrequently.
It's cold, very cold this morning in Nashville. But when
they tell me to open the pipes, open the cabinets

(52:28):
to make sure the pipes don't freeze, my immediate thought is,
every time it's not actually that cold here, do they
have special pipes in Alaska? Or do they just stay frozen?
Anybody ever think about that? No? Probably not. That's kind
of things I think about. Uh, we are right here,
we have it. Everybody's got it to do. List, drop
off the dry cleaning, pick up some milk. Here's an idea.

(52:49):
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to do you do today. Here's the other thing I want,
and we're probably gonna have loaded lines. I want women
to call in. Be honest, would you be impressed if

(53:10):
you heard that a man had to get fifteen stitches
after he was attacked by a snake? Would you not
be like, oh, turn sack, I didn't expect it. Eight
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in on Twitter, which actually works unlike our phone lines.

(53:55):
Um and uh, let's see they'm gonna read something through
some of these some of these answers. Uh. Somebody says
the pipes in Alaska are far enough underground they don't
freeze in the cold of Alaska. Uh. And then we've
got a bunch of explanations about pipes. Uh. Plot twist,
and this is actually good from Zach. The snake didn't

(54:16):
swim to the other bathroom. They are actually two snakes
or worse, a snake family. No bathroom is safe. Um.
That is uh, that is pretty interesting. Um let's see. Uh,
how do you not refer to the snake as the
shaw Shank snake. Um, yes, that you've watched Saw shaw Shank. Uh,

(54:39):
you would know exactly we're talking about red head to
swim through everything to to his freedom. Um. Right. Rand says,
I was six years old when I saw a snake
in the toilet in Cambodia. I'll tell you what. That's
a hell of an opening line for a for a
book out there, you know, Uh, if you like first
lines of movies or first lines of books. I was
six years old when I saw a snake in the

(55:00):
toilet in Cambodia. I'm reading the next sentence. Uh, gotta
wonder Bill asked, once the python gets a taste of
human penis, does that make it more likely to attack?
Gotta ask the tiger hunter on that if you didn't remember,
if you listen to the show, Tiger Hunter says, once
the tiger gets a taste of human flesh, it develops
a taste for it. Is this snake out in the

(55:22):
wild now just looking for another penis to bite? He's
got the taste? Uh, it's an interesting uh, interesting question? Um,
this is uh this, there's a lot going on. Uh
was this turd sack guy sitting and peeing? Otherwise wouldn't
the snake have gone after an actual turd? Interesting question there? Um,
it would be a better story if turd sack was

(55:43):
bit in the sack. Um. There. So there's lots of
lots of reactions here, um and uh, and phenomenal feedback
as well. Eight seven seven nine nine six six three
six nine Do we have phone calls to go to? Danny?
G All right, let's go a holding in myrtle beach.
He's a plumber holding. How often does this happen? Um?

(56:05):
I ain't gonna say it happens a lot, not down
here at least. So the basic part. But hold on,
let's focus on the snake in the toilet. First. You
live in Myrtle Beach down in South Carolina. There's lots
of snakes in South Carolina in your plumbing career. Have
you ever heard of a snake being in the toilet bowl? Yes?

(56:28):
How often? Uh? It all depends what started to get
cold out down here now, so they're gonna try to
find that war spot and sometimes we'll get into the
sore line of crawl into the toilet. Have you ever
heard of anybody being bitten? Okay, so I don't know.
So the snake gets into the toilet, how does he
survive in the water. So your pipes in your drain

(56:52):
are not constantly full of water there, it's they have
air in there. So technically the water just slides through
and going to of the steward. So the snake would
be like if it were living in the pipe, it
would have the water like run over it and then
in theory like then it would be dry again. Yes, sir,
So the snake could the snake can just be thinking, hey,

(57:14):
this is just a water, you know, like I mean
like it it doesn't The snake could live in the
pipe for a while, basically until it gets hungry enough
to want to find its way back there how to eat, yes,
which would be theoretically when a human is sitting on
the toilet. I don't know if I'm ever going to
go to the bathroom again. I mean, in all, thank
you for the call, Holding, I don't know that I'm
ever going to go to the bathroom again. Dan in

(57:35):
North Carolina, what's up? Yeah? First of all, Holding took
the words out of my mouth. Second of all, it
is very hard to drive when you're cringing that badly,
because stitches in the penis would hurt like a mother.
And third of all, at least here in North Carolina,
and it is illegal to kill snakes because you can
relocate them, so you might not want to move here
because they're just going to drop another snake off when
they find it here and drop it. Thank you for

(57:57):
the call, Dan. If somebody is able to put me
in prison for killing a snake, charge me, I am
very confident. First of all, I'm a lawyer, so I
can stand up and argue for myself in a court
of law. If somebody is going to charge me with
a crime for killing a snake, good luck convicting me.
I would o J the hell out of that case.

(58:19):
Except well, I guess just like o J, I would
be getting away with murder sometime would be getting away
with snake murder. Ei, there's zero percent chance I could
be convicted of killing a snake. Do you want any
d A in America wants to charge me for killing
a snake? You bring those charges, buddy, I will beat them.
Ryan in New York, what's up. I live in a
place for legitimately four weeks out of the year it

(58:42):
is cold enough to freeze our pipes. That might be
the best alternent forest snake, actually, if my pipes do freeze.
But you about ten years ago in a town about
twenty five miles away, there was on that somebody put
out in the snake and put in the store that
actually had to go out and again. And still living
in my town, so I have the worst threat of
a coming through my Yeah, well, thanks for the call.

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I actually think that the bigger the snake, it would
actually potentially get caught in the pipe, right, or it
would not be able to continue to slid through the pipe.
So in general, that's kind of that's kind of my thought.
But This is my issue with snakes in general, is
that anybody who keeps a snake as a pet. If
you know, if you listen to this show, I've been

(59:24):
making this argument for a while. The snake gets away.
It always escapes, and people are like, well, I huh
ha ha, you know my snake got out of the
cage and I lost it. Like, no, that's not happened.
That's why I would never date a girl that owned
a snake. Not doing it. There's not if you own
a snake, I'm not dating you. Turn It would be
like you know that Simpson's gift that everybody uses where

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the grandfather walks into the bar, takes his hat off,
and then immediately turns around and walked right back out.
That would be me. If I walked into a house
or an apartment and a girl was there and she
was living she was like, hey, well you're ready to
go out, I'd be like, hey, that's a snake. I'm
turned around, going right back out. I hope you have
a good life. Michelle in North Carolina, what's up, Michelle?

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Would you be impressed, Michelle if you found out that
a guy had fifteen stitches on his penis, If it
was fifteen contiguous stitches. Yes, but I am thinking since
snakes have multiple keith, there's probably multiple puncture wounds and
lacerations for those, there's probably fifteen stitches. Oh, fifteen in
a line. Oh, this is actually intriguing. So you're, oh

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that you're smarter than me. Not surprisingly, so you're thinking
that it's unlikely that it was one stitch like all
in the line that it's like, oh, we gotta get
three here and two there and everything else. So you
so turn sack needs to be like, I got fifteen
stitches in a row. Like when he's like, how many
stitches you get? I got fifteen stitches? If he wants

(01:00:53):
to be impressive, yes, and he should be like the
doctor said, they've never had to give a man fifteen
stitches on his penis before, not the kind got a
brad turd sex exactly. He needs to exaggerate the heck
out of it. So, as a woman, this means if
you were using the bathroom, you would get bit on
the butt, right, how would this in general, assuming that

(01:01:13):
the biology is as it were, that seems to me
to be less threatening, Like it would stink to get
bit in the butt if you're a woman, but I
would infinitely rather get bit in the butt by a
snake than in my in my genitals. I would have
to probably agree with you with that. Thanks for the call.
Anything else that that jumped out at you about this story, Um,
no other than I anytime about visited Florida when my parents,

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I mean when my family was business, I was always
terrified that there would be a snake or lizard in
the toilet, So I always looked and flushed as I
was using the toilet. Because I agree with you, But
here's the problem. What if the snake comes up after
you sit down? See this is the scary part. Like
you can look beforehand, but what if the snake is

(01:01:59):
like is like a vampire snake and it comes up
after you've already sat down, and you would have never known.
That's what I'm thinking. Happened to turn Sack surely because
they had the possibility of a snake being loose in
the office. He looked in the toilet bowl before he
sat down, and it's a huge snake. What happened was

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the snake happened to emerge. It was laying in wait.
It was like a alligator. In the reads and it
was just waiting for turn Sack to be there and boom,
it goes after him. Jose and Fremont, what's up? What's up? Brother?
Hey man? This is like you know how you have
your nightmare about waking up and snake. This is this

(01:02:44):
is mine. This is always a fear to use anybody's restroom,
for any public restroom. This is the back of my head.
I've waken up to nightmares about this. The only benefit
about getting bit there due might be swollen for a
couple of days, So you better take advantage of it,
you know what I'm saying. If he's not packing the
heat like I'd like to stay. But yeah, man, and
you gotta go eight playoffs teams in college ball. You

(01:03:07):
have to because they might even pick the interest on
the West Coast. We've not always been a you know,
West Coast hasn't always been up my college ball. It
might actually pick it up. Interesting what I'm saying. Yeah,
that's a good range. Uh, that's Jose and Freemont. Brian
in Indiana, Briant, what's up, hey, Clay? Real quick on.
I heard you say earlier that if you had snakes

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at your house, it's all one you'd want to sell
it to move I actually had that story happened to us.
We we got a place in the country, great setting,
you know I I had grown up in the country,
so they didn't really bother me. My wife's out in
the in the yard in the summer. About six months later,
sees a couple of gardener snakes, you know, not dangerous
anything like that. Freaks out, loses her mind. Two weeks later,

(01:03:51):
she's rented an apartment in the city for us. I
have to put the house up for sale. We ended
up buying another house in the city. Whether the snakes
are not a happy I'm telling you she lost it. Wow.
So uh yeah, that that is. That's aggressive move. But
you know what, thanks for the call, Bryan, I actually
kind of get it. You don't want to be attacked

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by a snake, even if it's a garders snake, even
if the snake is not very serious. Randy and Paalo
alto what's up? Randy, not much a My only reference
with sewage would be teenage mutant ninja turtle. Yes, amphibious.
You know they could breathe, but there's plenty of air.
But um to the point um getting bit in the
butt over getting bit in the penis, of course in

(01:04:34):
the butt. But if you remember Kittie Slickers, the movie
back in the nineties, Who's gonna suck the poison out? Right? Yeah?
I mean, I just I can't imagine, Like, again, we
gotta figure out how to get this guy turd sack
on from down in uh in the Thailand. But this
is I can you imagine? This is like the most

(01:04:55):
nightmare fuel thing that I can even contemplate. Where you
stand up from the toilet there is a gigantic snake
attached to your penis, and then you have to fight
the snake to get it to let go of your penis.
Like I can't even think of how awful this would be.

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I used to think that John Bobbitt, remember John Bobbitt
back in the day, when his wife Loreina Bobbitt cut
his penis off and threw it in the bush, and
then they found it and reattached the penot one of
the great stories of modern American science. Yeah, but it's
not the same, right, Once that happened, I would imagine
that it doesn't work as well. But I think John
Bobbitt did porn something like that. Yeah, Yeah, I'm sure

(01:05:39):
it wasn't as an idea, but it's also at least
ideal for John Bobbitt that they could find the penis
after his wife cut it off and threw it into
the bush. Can you imagine like you're you're you're laying
there and you're like, you know, like thinking you're gonna die,
You're gonna bleed out. And they're like, John, do you
remember where he where she threw the penis? And he's like,
I'm pretty sure it was in that bush. It's like

(01:06:00):
looking for a golf ball. And I got all these
cops walking around there, like, I can't find it. Is
if it We're not bad enough to get your penis
cut off, insult to injury, They can't find it. It
was like, I don't know, I can't find it anywhere.
I'm looking everywhere. He says, it's right here. I can't
find it. But I think they reattached his penis, and
I think he then started a porn movie. Yeah, I
think so? Yeah? Uh Tim and West Virginia, what's up? Tim? Hey?

(01:06:24):
Hey going to play? You talked earlier about you know,
oh my gosh, fifteen stitches. That's big. Anything is stitches
around me? About four millimeters apart, and that only comes
to about two point four inches. Are you a doctor?
Are you a doctor? No? But I looked it up
on the Boston University Medical Center site. So you're saying

(01:06:44):
fifteen stitches only covers two point four inches just about
I see, I'm thinking of it says each suitor is
four millimeters apart. Okay, well, thanks for the call, Thanks
for looking that up. Charlotte is a nurse in the
e er. Charlotte, what's the most stitches you've ever seen
put into a man's penis? No, I'm a nurse in
a surgery center, so where we do surgery all day.

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And I agree with that man that just spoke, it's
not very many. And especially for that type of skin
on the on the penis, the shaft you're it's going
to be not very long at all, and probably chances
are he's not that big anyway. So really and truly,
it's not very many suitures for that type of where
where that area that's so baschlor that can bleed so easy.

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So you're a nurse in the e R, what would
be a number of stitches on the penis where you
would be like, wow, that's really impressive. I would think
like thirty or so. Okay, well, I try to get
credit our nurse. I'm a surgery center nurse, whether we
do operations, and do you know we're doing surgeries all day,
so I don't think that's very much at all. Chances

(01:07:52):
are he's not really that big anyway. Oh so you're
just taking a shot at him because he's from Thailand. Yeah,
you call in, Charlotte, nurse from e R calls in
and just off the top rope comes after all men
from Thailand. So let me ask, uh, let me ask
this on top of that, Uh, what's the worst? Like?

(01:08:12):
Not worst? Like, oh, it was awful to see the
most unfortunate thing that you've ever seen in the e R.
Like you're like, I can't believe that somebody got injured
in this way because usually e R people see all
sorts of ridiculous things happen. You really want me to say,
oh yeah, uh never forget uh X rays going around.

(01:08:34):
This is way back in the eighties and the X
ray going around and the e R doctor asked him
what do you think this is? And it was a
light bulb up in the rectum. Somebody put a wreck
a light bulb in the record, bulb up in the wrecktum.
That's an amazing story, Charlotte. You need to call more often.
Thanks for listening. Okay, By it might be the call

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of the year. Light bulb in the rector. I don't
know how that could be enjoyable. Seems dangerous because light
bulbs are glass, right, gotta be tough to go into
the doctor's office and say, yes, I've got a light
bulb that's stuck in my rectum. This is out kick. Uh.

(01:09:19):
We'll continue to take your calls. Also, Dan Wetzel is
gonna join us unless he decides that he's been listening
for the last couple of hours and he's like, I
can't go on that show. Uh. And we're gonna talk
about the college football playoff Eddie? Oh yeah, we gotta
hit an update from Eddie. Eddie any uh lightbulbs direct
him in the world of sports going on right now,
not that I know of. If it we're going to
happen that somebody was going to miss a game because

(01:09:41):
of a light bulb and direct him, it would be
Andy Dalton. Wouldn't it pick an NFL quarterback who was
going to miss a game? Because he had a light
bulb and direct him. I just think it would be
Andy Dalton. Uh, that's an interesting uh selection. I don't
know who. I haven't given him, just saying it would
be Andy Dalton because he's always hurt and also because

(01:10:03):
he always seems to get hurt in ridiculous fashions, and
also because it's the Cincinnati Bengals, and I think Bengals
fans would be like, oh, of course our quarterbacks got
to wreck them stuck in his and his Uh, I
got a flight bulb stuck in his directum, of course.
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That's c l A Y Savings Charlotte in the from
the e R. That was from the rafters, that was
from the mezzanine. I think she just took out all
of asia. Most savage call ever in terms of the

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overall victims. No regard for human life from Charlotte. It's
right up there. I'm trying to think of a call
we've had that has been more devastating to a subcontinent
of people. I'm not sure it's ever happened, Charlotte. Just
I mean, that is the flying elbow, That is the
whole Cogan leg drop back in the day, Charlotte from

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the R no mercy, no respect for you fools. H
Doug and Georgia. What's up, Doug? Hey? Um, I was
hiking on the Appalachian Trail about ten years ago with
a group of Scouts, had a call in nature one morning,
and UH went out dug a hole of my Blood

(01:13:18):
Mountain And when I went to do my business, I
looked down after I had let the brown snake loose,
and there was a green with the yellow striped snake
kind of snuggling up to it. And it kind of
creaked me out, as you know what I mean. So
you were close to get bit? Wow? I don't know

(01:13:41):
if I was getting bit. He was kind of cuddling
up and trying to stay warm against tough light pile,
you know. Yeah, tough life for a snake, the rain
rain up of it was the gal's name. Yeah, she's
the one who cut off the penis of John Bobbit.
Did anybody look up thanks to the call? Uh? Up?
Did you look up John Bobbitt? I'm doing nothing else.

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You can't answer phone calls, you might as well do
research on John Bobbitt. Don't we know if John Bobbit
is still alive? Is he still with us? Yeah? I
I would bet that he has a Wikipedia page that
was he's fifty years old, fifty one years old. What
does he do for a living? It says as a
profession as a pornographic film actor. Still, um, yeah, I

(01:14:27):
remember that he made porn after that, after his penis
was reattached. Um. Talking about a comeback, he's talking about
porn comeback player of the Year. I don't know that,
And like everybody's like, oh, you know who's gonna come
back Player of the Year gonna be this year? Um.
I don't think there's any doubt that the all time
greatest comeback in the history of porn has to be
John Bobbitt coming back from his penis being cut off

(01:14:47):
to star in a porn movie. Like he should win
the Comeback Player of the Year award for every year
in perpetuity. Just like if somebody had their legs sawed
off and then they came back and they ended up
being a really good basketball player. That guy's got to
be come Back Player of the Year every year. The
guy who like the guy who used to run? Remember
the blade guy? What was his name? Oscar Pistorius. Isn't
he in prison now for killing his uh fiance? It

(01:15:09):
was such a happy story until he killed that girl. Uh,
the guy the Blade Runner? Um. I mean, he was
from South Africa and he was incredible. He should become
like Player of the Year until he killed somebody and
he has to go to prison. I think he's in
prison right now. Still tough break, All right, We are
going to an hour three circle back around on the
college football playoff rankings being released, and uh, I will

(01:15:32):
kind of set the table for you guys in advance
of Dan Wetzel joining us. But we can also take
some calls on that at the top of our two
because earlier when our phones weren't working in Nashville and
we had to reroute them to l A, we had
a lot of people waiting who wanted to talk about
this subject, which is what we started the show with
eight seven seven six three six nine, which is this question.

(01:15:54):
Uh and Dan Wetzel is going to join us from
Yah Who Sports to talk about this an hour three
as well. I have been arguing for a while isis
that the conference title games make no sense. Alabama's play
in Georgia doesn't matter who wins. From Alabama's perspective, they're
already in the playoff. You have Clemson playing Pittsburgh. The
only thing that can happen for Clemson is they can

(01:16:15):
lose to Pittsburgh and potentially lose their playoff picture, lose
their place in the playoff, even though they have nothing
to gain really by beating Pittsburgh, because we already know
Clemson was the best team in the a c C
all year seven and five. Pittsburgh, even if they beat Clemson,
is nowhere near the actual a c C champ Northwestern

(01:16:37):
they lost the Duke, they lost to Notre Dame, and
amazingly they lost to Akron. They are not the best
team in the Big Ten this year. Ohio State is
That's why we play the season, and in particular, the
Big Ten East has Michigan Michigan State, Ohio State, and
Penn State. All the best teams in the Big Ten

(01:16:58):
are in the Big Ten East. Every team that is
currently ranked in the Big Ten is from the Big
Ten East except from North from Northwestern, which is eight
and four. And also, as if that were not enough,
the Pack twelve title game doesn't matter at all. The
Big Twelve title game really doesn't matter either because Texas

(01:17:21):
lost to Maryland, and they lost to Oklahoma State, and
they lost to West Virginia. They're not the best team
in the Big Twelve. We already know that, even though
they beat Oklahoma. Oklahoma win eleven and one. They played
nine conference games and they went eight one. They're the champs.

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Yet we're playing a Big twelve title game that doesn't
matter at all. So, by the way I started to
talking about the College Football Playoff, will continue to unpack.
This is the top of our three. But when I
see that Alex in Ohio has an e R story,
I gotta go to him. Alex, what you got, Hey,
guys doing? My wife a nurse at Ohio State Lexner

(01:18:02):
and it's actually she um had an inmate come in
because it's a state ran hospital. And I guess it's uh,
like a gang related type deal where they stick dominoes
up in their penis. So when they she was getting
them ready for like an m R. I, they had
the question of, hey, do you have anything in your
body that you know for an object or anything like that,

(01:18:24):
like metal, And he was like, I kind of do,
and they're like, well, where is it. He's like, it's
in my penis. He's like, okay, like what is it? Like,
is it a piercing or something. He's like, no, it's
a it's it's a domino. And sure enough, the guy
had a domino shoved up in his pens. What do
they do? I don't know. I actually looked up an

(01:18:46):
article to see if it was true, and it's a
gang related type deal. And sure enough, Um, if you
if you google it domino up in the penis as
a gang related thing, an article will come up on it.
So I didn't believe it, but until I saw that article.
So that's true. That's all I know. That sounds like
the worst thing ever. I don't even know how how

(01:19:07):
it would also be physically possible. I have no idea either,
But you guys have a great day. Thanks for the call.
I don't know how the physics on that works. Sounds awful,
sounds painful, very and also potentially really dangerous. I don't know.
I'll google it. During the break. I tell the guys

(01:19:30):
in the studios to get google it, but I'm sure
their internet is not working. Uh. When we return, Dan
Wetzel is gonna join us. Will also dive into the
college football playoff rankings. They are out and I'm gonna
talk a little bit about this Reuben Foster business. I
don't it's such a serious story. I feel like how
it kills the vibe of the show. So I'll think
about it. I'll try to decide if I want to
talk about Reuben Foster getting claimed by the Washington Redskins
or not. Uh. This is OutKick the Coverage. Appreciate all

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treat you. So there's two pretty big stories as many
of you wake up across the country. One and I'm
curious and this is kind of, it's not kind of.
It is a serious story. I'm curious whether or not
this is going to continue to grow and turn into

(01:20:34):
a bigger story. We haven't talked much about Reuben Foster,
San Francisco forty nine or a linebacker high draft pick
who obviously has had a very tumultuous off the field
existence since he got to the NFL. Um but he
was arrested last week for um domestic violence and it

(01:20:55):
follows another issue that he had for domestic violence with
the San Francisco forty Niners. They basically said, hey, you know,
you're dealing with a zero tolerance situation going forward. And
then we had the decision made by the by the
Washington Redskins last yesterday afternoon evening to grab Reuben Foster

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after he was released by the San Francisco forty Niners,
and the Redskins said, and they released a statement, I'm
gonna try to pull that statement up if I can here. Um,
and they basically said that, Uh, they made the decision.
Uh they said quote uh and this is their statement. Uh.
The Redskins fully understand the severity of the recent allegations

(01:21:42):
made against Reuben. If true, you can be sure that
these allegations are nothing our organization would ever condone. Let
me be clear, Reuben will have to go through numerous steps,
including the full legal process and investigation and potential discipline
from the NFL, as well as meetings with counselors associated
with the team before where you will ever have the
opportunity to wear the burgundy and gold as a player. Uh.

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That's Senior vice president of player Personnel Doug Williams. Uh.
Washington was the only team to put in a waiver
claim for Reuben Foster. And remember the forty Niners took
Foster in the first round of the twenty seven team draft.
Um and uh there is uh, there certainly a lot
of issues. The Redskins have four defensive players who played
with Foster at Alabama, UH, including Dron Payne, Jonathan Allen,

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Ryan Anderson, and Shaun Dion Hamilton's their insight helped to
make the organization make this decision, and they said, quote,
we decided to investigate the situation with Ruben further by
claiming his rights after candid conversations with a number of
his ex Alabama teammates and current Redskin players, who are
overwhelmingly supportive of us taking this chance. Nothing has promised

(01:22:48):
to Reuben. We were hopeful being around so many of
his former teammates and friends will eventually provide him with
the best possible environment to succeed both personally and professionally.
We didn't talk about this on the show because there
were so many other stories coming out of the weekend,
but he was arrested in Tampa on Saturday night, twenty
four hours before the forty Niners faced the Buccaneers. UH.

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Tampa police said Foster and a woman got involved in
a verbal altercation and that he slapped her phone out
of her hand, pushed her in the chest area, and
slapped her with an open hand on the left side
of her face. They said they found a one inch
scratch on her collar bone. According to the arrest report,
the woman is pressing charges UH and she she is

(01:23:32):
the woman that he has been involved off and on
with for about three years and it wasn't their first
domestic incident. On February eleventh, he was arrested on suspicion
of domestic violence and possession of an assault rifle. Uh.
And all these stories. The domestic violence charge was dropped
when this woman recanted her allegations that he hit her. Uh.

(01:23:53):
He pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor weapons charge and
was given two years of probation and banned from possessing
guns during that time time. Uh. He also served a
two games suspension to start the season. And UH, this
is messy, right, this is messy. Uh. And and Foster
has had a lot of issues. He failed a drug
test at the NFL Combine. And remember he was also

(01:24:15):
sent home early after getting into an argument with a
hospital worker. And uh, he has top ten talent. I mean,
I think that's the idea in general. But he fell
all the way to the thirty first pick in the
first round. San Francisco forty Niners took him. He uh finished,
He had seventy two tackles in his first season, and
he hasn't played that much so far this season, honestly,

(01:24:39):
So this is a this is a messy situation in general.
And I always feel like everybody deserves the second chance,
and oftentimes we all get third chances. I think a
lot of people out there when they hear about Ruben Foster,
they're thinking to themselves, my God, like, how could you

(01:25:01):
put yourself in this situation again? And what kind of
toxic relationship is he involved in with this woman that
she pressed charges against him back in May, then said
she made it up, and now she is pressing charges
against him again and he has been arrested and kicked
off his team. It just sounds like Ruben Foster has

(01:25:22):
got some major issues in his life right now, and
one of them is certainly related to this woman. And
if all of your problems are coming over and over again, uh,
from the same relationship, I don't think it's I mean,
I think this is crazy. Like part of life is

(01:25:43):
having people who you can rely on to give you advice.
But if you're in a toxic relationship, both parties need
to get out of the toxic relationship. And it seems
to me to be very clear, based on all the
stories that we have read about this relationship that it's toxic.
These two should never be around to each other anymore.
Um And I think This could turn into a bigger

(01:26:05):
issue because the NFL wants to claim, oh, we're taking
domestic violence really seriously, and then the Washington Redskins go
out and they sign Reuben Foster after he's been arrested
for a second domestic violence incident in the last six months. Now,
this also goes to what I always say, so long
as your talent exceeds your problems, you will always be employed.

(01:26:30):
And Ruben Foster is a very talented linebacker that a
lot of different NFL teams are willing to take risks with.
And this is a function of how talented he is,
more so than it's a problem with the more so
than it's a function of his problems. So this is
a story that is out there. Probably should be aware
of it as you wake up across the country. I

(01:26:50):
think that it's likely that this story could move beyond
the world of sports because of the domestic violence connections,
because of the NFL's own blind spots when it comes
to domestic violence, This, too many people is going to
be seen as how little seriousness the NFL actually treats

(01:27:11):
issues of domestic violence. That Ruben Foster, who was suspended
already this year for domestic violence, would get involved in
another domestic violence incident. Now, this woman is also not
coming to the authorities with clean hands herself, because she
has said that she made up all of the allegations
against him back in May. Is that true? I have

(01:27:33):
no idea. But now she's saying that he did something
to her again. How do we know a hundred percent
that this is true? If this woman has already been
proven or at least said to authorities, I lied about
past allegations of domestic violence. This is a messy situation,
and I think the easiest solution here would be, honestly,

(01:27:54):
if this couple weren't around each other anymore. What about you, guys,
I mean, does this strike all of you as queasy
as it does me? For the Washington Redskins to step
in and grab him a couple of days after this
latest arrest. Yeah, this this is not good for the NFL.
This is This is also one of these things where

(01:28:15):
I feel like the Washington Redskins, who's advising them? I mean,
look and there they they run a business and they
can make the decision that they believe Reuben Foster is
an employee that deserves to be and compensated and employed
by them. Right, he deserves to be claimed on their rosters.
But they have to know how ugly it's possible that

(01:28:37):
this story is going to become, right, and so is
Everything is about risk reward. Everything is about talent versus
problems in life in general. Whether you're hiring employees, or
whether you're making a decision about whether to buy a stock,
or whether you're buying a home. Everything ultimately comes down
to analyzing risk reward. How would you make the decision

(01:28:58):
to do this at this point in time? I mean,
obviously the Redskins they talked to the to his former
teammates at Alabama. They look at his talent, They did
the due diligence on him. When he came out in
the teen draft. They loved him. He fell all the
way to thirty one in the first round before John
Lynch and the San Francisco forty Niners grabbed him. But
you have to know how big of a story this

(01:29:20):
is potentially going to come become if you are Dan
Snyder and the Washington Redskins, right, and I could foresee
a situation where this story becomes big enough that the
Washington Redskins say you know what, We're going to drop him,
and we're gonna, you know, stop our our waiver claim
on him. But is this really the move that you

(01:29:41):
want to make. If you're the Washington Redskins and you're
about to go into the final five weeks of the season.
The guy's not playing, so it's not as if he's
gonna take the field and and perform for you at all.
Could you not wait till the end of the season,
see more details of this case to come out, and
then try to sign him as a free agent. I
think if he passes through waivers, then he's free to

(01:30:03):
sign with anybody at that point in time. Could you
not do your due diligence in the off season and then,
if you really think he deserves another chance, bring him
back in for training camp next year and see whether
he can stay out of trouble in the off season.
That seems to me to be an easy solution to
make here. If you really think he's that good, you
can sign him as a free agent once he passes waivers.

(01:30:26):
The other thirty one NFL teams didn't put in a
claim for him. I just it just it feels like
an ugly and queasy situation that the NFL in general
probably was hoping that he was not going to be claimed,
And I think, certainly, if I were advising the Redskins,
I would say, I think this is probably a situation
where the risk is more substantial than the reward, particularly

(01:30:48):
given the fact that you're not going to use him
at all this year. Doesn't mean I don't think people
deserve second chances, or third chances or fourth chances. And
lord knows, Ruben Foster has gotten a bunch of chances already.
Everything has gone awry, it seems to me, in his
life in many respects since he left Alabama. I don't
know how Alabama kept him out of trouble, and suddenly

(01:31:08):
he gets into the pros and he falls apart, starting
with getting into arguments that nurses at his medical exam.
This is an ugly situation, and I don't think there's
an easy solution in terms of what should happen to
Reuben Foster going forward. But I do know if I
were running an NFL team, this is probably not the
move that I would want to make. This is not
the message I would want to send to the larger

(01:31:29):
Washington d C. Community. Is certainly not the message I
would want to send in the middle of a season,
when we still have five games left and we still
think we have a chance to make the playoffs. Why
create this mess of mess of a situation just doesn't
make sense. All right, we come back. We're gonna talk
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But first, Eddie Garcia, what you got for me? Well,
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Georgia now moves into the fourth spot, replacing Michigan, who
lost big to Ohio State last week. Oklahoma is the
first team out of the top four at number five.
Ohio State checks in at number six. All those teams
will be in action this weekend in their conference title games,
including Alabama and Georgia going head to head in the SEC,
and Notre Dame the only team that will not have
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Twitter at Dan Wetzel. Thank you for waking up early
this morning with us and Dan you wrote a column.
It's something you and I have agreed with for a
long time. But before we even get to that, I
want to ask you about a tough situation, tough story
that I think is going to spiral into a bigger story,
likely today, potentially even involving other people outside the arena
of sports. The the Washington Redskins decided to claim Reuben Foster.

(01:35:08):
Reuben Foster was arrested again for domestic violence over the
weekend before the San Francisco forty Niners were set to
play against Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Are you surprised Do you
think it will be a story that moves outside of
the realm of sports and turns into a bigger story?
You know, nothing, Uh, nothing quite surprised me. I think

(01:35:29):
I was surprised that it was done so quickly. Yeah,
I think that was maybe it's more like he just
got released because you know, he fumbled a couple you know,
but he blew a couple of assignments. Um. You know,
the issue with Reuben is it's not you know, the
first time. Yeah, and so you know, you you want
to be fair to people and and give them a

(01:35:51):
benefit of doubt. And then he had one allegation retracted
and and there's always been some some deep just stuff
going on with them, but the idea of Redskins would
roll through, and then I think I just read like
the Eagles called the Tampa police and tried to find
out what went on. The Tampa police of the Redskins
never bothered calling. Uh, you know, I just you know,

(01:36:14):
like Ray Rice wasn't that long ago where you want
to try to investigate. And so I also think because
it's in Washington, it becomes a bigger, a bigger deal. Uh.
Then if this was you know, on whatever, Minnesota or
something like that, and so it could, it certainly could.
I guess nothing surprises me anymore. But you just wonder

(01:36:35):
what was the risk reward on this? Uh? And what
was the rush you know, as Ruben Foster gonna you know,
they lost their quarterback and now they're trying to stay
at their head a buff water here, but and that's
a that's a big risk to take Reuben Foster and
then just go with the statement they literally misspelled Doug

(01:36:56):
Williams name and the statement and then it's sort of
basically like, wow, we asked his teammates who used to
play with him in Alabama and they alsoid he's a
good guy and we got a lot of those guys around,
so it will be okay, Like that's just a profound
misunderstanding of how domestic violence occurs. Like you know, oh,
you work with a bunch of your buddies, Okay, that's

(01:37:16):
that solves them. You know, that's not how it works. So, um,
I think we'll see you might be you might be
honest something that this blows up big. We'll see what happens.
But I want we talked about in the last segments,
so I want to mention it with you. Here's we
were starting as well, because I know that's the kind
of story you'll end up covering. You deserve credit, I
think more than anybody in the media for blowing up

(01:37:37):
the existing BCS structure and getting us a four team playoff.
For people who don't know, Uh, you wrote a book,
and the name of the book was pretty simple. It
was what death to the BCS? Death to the BCS,
which actually ended up happening killed against And you have
pointed out, and you and I have been on this
uh this train for a while now too, that college

(01:37:59):
foot ball divisions make no sense, and that all too
often college football title games make zero sense as well.
And in fact, instead of having college football title game
weekend with an a C C game between Clemson and
Pittsburgh that doesn't matter, and a Pack twelve game between
Washington Washington and Utah that doesn't matter, and a Big

(01:38:23):
Tin title game between UH Northwestern and Ohio State that
doesn't matter, and frankly, by and large, a game between
between Georgia and Alabama, you lay out all the permutations.
We've talked about this a lot on the show that
by and large we already know who the champ of
a conference is. That's why we play the regular season.
That it would make more sense to just seed an

(01:38:44):
eight team playoff and roll with it. Right. The problem
with the standing the playoff is too scopold one, you know,
more games for the players, safety issue, all of that,
and I'm uh sympathetic to that, And be is the schedule,
where do you fit this weekend in? But where you
have to look at is this weekend is the start

(01:39:06):
of the playoffs. This is the postseason. This is not
the regular season anymore. And this is what they choose
to have as week one of their playoffs. If you
come in here, if you went to another country and
someone tried to explain this system to you, you would
be baffled that this is the first week of a playoff.
Or if you went to your kids a little league,

(01:39:28):
uh tournament somewhere, or a soccer tournament or whatever, and
they said this is how we do it, it's nuts. Okay.
First off, look at the standings. Alabama won the s
the SEC. They're undefeated, Georgia has lost, Clemson won the
the A C c UH Oklahoma won the Big twelve,
Washington won the Pack twelve, Center Florida on the Atlantic

(01:39:50):
uh the uh whatever they called um. And technically there
is a tie between Northwestern and Ohio State, but there
are like one hundred tiebreakers to go in favor of
while State, and other than love of the color purple,
nothing goes in favor of Northwestern. So we have already
determined who the champion is. We're staging a game for

(01:40:12):
for money. That's it. It's like the conference basketball tournaments,
which are fun, make a buck, but they're pointless. They're useless.
Who cares Duke wins it, Duke doesn't. They're a one seed.
This is the same thing this weekend. There are four
teams there's certainly three, but there are four I believe
that can either lose or not play in the terms

(01:40:35):
of notre dame and advance out of the first round
of the postseason. There are nine teams that can win
and not advance. That's your playoff. Okay, Alabama needs to
lose by fifty points or something not to get into
the cleansing. One have to lose by at least twenty
I think if Georgia loses like on a late kick

(01:40:55):
to be a miracle because I meant Alabama at a kick,
but they might still be in No door Dame doesn't
have to play last year. Alabama didn't mean play the
year before. Ohio State, these games are pointless. Okay. Instead
of doing this and having Clemson play a seven and
five team, and and and have Ohio State trying to

(01:41:17):
score seventy five points against Northwestern in hopes of winning
an argument with Oklahoma, just play four games Alabama hosts
and you're having at home. They get even better. Alabama
host Washington in the first round, Clemson host you sef

(01:41:38):
Ohio State goes to Notre Dame, Oklahoma goes to Georgia.
Four games. If that was our weekend coming up, the
country would be obsessed with excitement over what was coming.
That would be the greatest four stretch. You can play
one Friday night TripleHead or Saturday something like that. It
would be unbelievable. People. Could you see pull this off?

(01:42:01):
Oh my god, Ohio State Notre Dame at under the
Dome for a playoff. It would be huge. Instead, we
leak into this thing with this absurdity where you going aldamn,
I could lose and still make it comes and like, what, like,
why do we do this? Nobody in their right mind
would choose the current over what I just proposed. And

(01:42:23):
what I proposed would make everybody way more money. All right,
So what do you think the odds are of this
ever happening? I agree with you. I think it would
make college football better. And by the way, before we
even get to that, you're you're talking about the difficulty
of explaining things. I was watching the l s U.
Texas A and M seven overtime game with my ten
year old on Saturday night, and uh, i' let him

(01:42:45):
stay up late with me and watch it, and we
were obviously enraptured by that game was a phenomenal television event. Uh,
And I said, you know, well, he was asking me
questions about like how often do games go to this
many overtimes? Things like that, and I said, well, you know,
there hadn't been an overtime in college football for very long.
And he said, what do you mean. I said, well,
you know, college football used to have a lot of

(01:43:06):
games and didn't ties. And he said, what are you
talking about, dad, There used to be ties in college football.
It was like, oh, yeah, ties happened all the time.
And I said, um, and also, you know there used
to be ties for who the champion was. And he
was like, what do you mean, and he said, I said, well,
there used to be these things called polls, and there
were different polls, and people would vote on who they
thought the best team was. And sometimes one poll would

(01:43:29):
think one thing and another poll would think another thing.
And there's all these different champions that would exist. And
his mind was blown. And then I said, and then
they got into this thing called the BCS where they
had these court tiles, and like, if you try to
explain to it, it is really fun to think about.
If you try to explain to like a ten year
old what the last fifteen or twenty years of college

(01:43:50):
football was, like, they have no Like they can't even
understand it because it's so absurdly ridiculous how we went
through to pick a college football champion. And so now
the four team playoffs, like, okay, I understand that four
teams make the playoff, whoever wins wins it. The eight
team playoff would also make a lot of sense. Will
it happen? Yeah, explain, try explaining this weekend so what

(01:44:13):
happens If Clemson loses by my six o, they're still in.
What if pitt wins are they're not in? Wait? What? Yeah,
it's like Grandpa tell us when you used to ride
a horse to school. It's really fun. Your example of it, Like,
imagine if you went to a like any little league, soccer,
flag football, you know, baseball, or anything else, and you're like, Okay,

(01:44:34):
we're gonna start the postseason, but we're gonna play all
these games in the postseason that only matter if the
best teams lose. You'd be like, there's no reason for
the best teams to play. Now, we're not gonna do that. Like,
imagine that if you send to somebody. If you were
like the A C C. And you went to them
and you said, hey, uh, you know, whatever team in
your league is Clemson, Hey Clemson? Hey, you know like

(01:44:56):
the Kansas City Royals in in in in ten year
old baseball and uh in you know Topekah, you guys
went fourteen and oh this year. But now we're gonna
go into the postseason. We're gonna play this tournament. And
the way we're gonna start the tournament is you're gonna
play the team that finished ninth in your conference. But
if you lose to them, then your season is over

(01:45:17):
and they don't get to advance. The team in Topeka,
Kansas would be like, wait a minute, we're not gonna play.
Why would we do that? No, it makes no sense.
Welcome to college football except they can lose. Yeah, exactly,
never play, Like the guy wouldn't allow his team to play.
Like this is absurd, We're not doing this. I'm not
doing this. This is this is a fix. You're tricking me. Yeah, no,
this is stupid. Okay, like this is all the debates

(01:45:39):
are over all, the eight teams are in your best
You can sit there and go, well, you know, Washington
has three losses. They don't deserve to be in. They
don't deserve a shot at the nation. They don't have
a shot at the national And by the way, right
now Alabama with an easier opponent, yeah, right now. The
way it would be done, let's say you use the
College Football Playoff Committee to seed this, right, so you

(01:46:02):
use their rankings. It would be based on the last
night's rankings. Number one Alabama against number eight, You sef
number two Clemson against number seven Michigan. Number you got
to give automatic bits to the league's that's the only
way you're getting this. Yea three and six George, Oklahoma
been there and you CEF gets in because there you

(01:46:24):
could give like an undefeated power six and but you
also bring it home field advantage, you make more money. Yeah, Alabama, Clemson,
Notre Dame in Georgia would all host home playoff games,
which would make getting to the top important. Right now,
it doesn't matter whether Alabama is the one seed of
the four seats. They get to choose what uniform they wear. Yeah.

(01:46:45):
In fact, let me talk about that for a second,
because I want to go back to the whether this
will ever happen. There's actually a debate going on right
now about where Alabama would play. You mentioned there's not
much difference between being the one or the four seed.
They don't want to play. The expectation has been that
Alabama would go to Dallas and play in the Cotton
Bowl in Jerry World. But if Oklahoma, which seems potentially

(01:47:08):
gonna happen, ends up the four seed, they wouldn't want
Oklahoma people to be able to drive down the Dallas
as easily, so they would go play in Miami. But
the practical impact, by and large is that it doesn't
really matter right whether Alabama is the one or the four.
They're just playing a neutral site game in Miami. And
in fact, I bet that Alabama would rather play Notre Dame.

(01:47:32):
This is my bet. I bet they would rather play
Notre Dame. If they got to pick their opponent, then
they would Oklahoma, because I think Oklahoma is more explosive
personally offensively, could be a better challenge. But your point
is well taken that right now, the seating really doesn't
matter very much. No, it's like it doesn't matter, so
give him a home game, give him. I don't know,
it's just it's better. It makes more money. All of

(01:47:53):
that stuff again, think about how Jack to big and imagine,
you know, Ohio State at an older day anchoring this weekend,
and and then it makes sense to people where it's like, okay,
everybody wins, it moves up, and you know what if
you seef, you know, kept it kept it close. Like
you think, people get excited when, like you know, Maryland

(01:48:14):
Baltimore County beats Virginia. Nobody even cares about college basket
when they get excited, like if if you had a
football game and all of a sudden, you seef playing
Clemson or Alabama or whatever. It's close to that fourth quarter.
Holy Kyle, right, it would be unreal. Yeah, not only
that because we root for Cinderella's in college basketball, but

(01:48:34):
unlike in college basketball, like UNBC is not going to
win the n c Double a tournament. Right if if
you get into the it's an eight team playoff. If
you get into an eight team playoff and you win
one game, you could certainly find a situation or a
scenario where somebody like u c F could get hot
and win three straight games. It's a lot easier to
win three straight than it is to win sixth straight. Um,

(01:48:56):
so what do you think they can do it? But
they can do it? Yeah, then you prove any right,
there isn't any doubt. There's better, There's no downside. This
is a dead weekend. This weekend will be completely unsatisfied
as it normally is now. It doesn't mean Alabama George
is a fun game, but it doesn't make sense. And
Red River shootout too. I mean, who's who Texas an
Olklahoma could play every week? I'd watched, right, it's great,

(01:49:18):
So it's that's not necessarily the thing, but now ask
for would this happen? Not? Not soon as long as
you have the older commissioners in place. Delaney and the
Big ten John's Hawford Bob Bowls being those guys aren't
even contemplating this stuff, Like I I don't know that

(01:49:39):
fans really realize how little the commissioners are even care
about this stuff. Like Ohio State fan is ready to
pull a tear out because they're going, wait, we could
go twelve and one and not make it right, that's
an outwage at twelve and one, Ohio State Big ten
champs should be in the playoff, okay, And they got
an argument there. Jim Delaney is like every year I

(01:50:00):
go down to Indianapolis the night before, I get a
big steak at St. Almos. What you know, I got
a big hotel suite and like there's no problem with
this thing, Like they aren't trying to fix because they
don't even know there's a problem where the regular fans
sitting at home are going, why am I going to
this game? Or you know, I mean the past twelve
game of twelve thousand people at it, No one's gonna

(01:50:23):
watch it. Like those things don't really matter to these commissioners.
So but there is almost like your son looks at
you and goes, how could this have ever happened? There
is a lot of athletic directors and associate commissioners and
TV guys who are in their forties maybe fifties and
thirties that are like, we can do better. Why wouldn't

(01:50:44):
we try to improve? Why don't we do something for
the good of the game and not just sit there
and go, hey, this is great. I get to we
have we have a big we got a championship game.
Then we go to Rose Bowl for Christmas. It's great.
You know, this is good times. Uh, there's some one
sitting there saying we need to maximize what we're doing here,
and we can do this, and you know what's really

(01:51:06):
exciting is giving people a product that they want the
way the NFL does. Because the NFL runs a playoff,
it's the biggest It is the single biggest entertainment event
in the country, and it keeps getting bigger because the
thing makes sense in college football looks at that and goes, yeah,
we don't want any part of that. Let's do the
exact opposite. The money could be huge because right Now,

(01:51:28):
every year, the college Football Playoff brings in north of
six hundred million dollars. If and that's three games, right,
the two semifinal games and the championship game. If you
added four games to the college Football Playoff, you're probably
talking about another six or seven hundred million dollars at
a bare minimum, meaning you would double the amount of

(01:51:49):
money that the playoff would make. Meaning you would double
the amount of money that the schools and the conferences
could make. I don't about you, but when I hear
and I run anything kind of business, and I think
I can make twice as much, I probably I'm going
to do that, right, that's the purpose of business. Like,
let's say you're Alabama, Okay, rather than go to Atlanta

(01:52:10):
for the weekend and have all your boosters, everyone's got
to go to Atlanta and spend money. You're gonna go
to the game. You're gonna drop uh, not just on tickets,
but like on hotel and travel and all that, and
all of your disposable income of your fans goes into
Atlanta or or it's gonna go to Charlotte, and then
you gotta go to Miami or Dallas. Awesome, put the
game in Tuscaloosa, bigger stadium, bigger prices because the game

(01:52:34):
means more every year. Okay, you got a hundred thousand
seats and now it's another day where Birmingham and Tuscaloosa
make all the money. The hotel rooms are there, your
your lums don't have to spend a thousand dollars travel
when you go to the game. Um, you are hosting
a game, it is you get the game in your
historic stadium. Nobody sits at nobody's ever been to an

(01:52:57):
end of the people. Wait, you can't play playoffs at home?
Like have you seen the NFL? Like I come in
the NFL allowed up. No one's ever been at a
game at Lambeau or Gillette or hines Field and said,
I really wish this thing. I had spent fifteen hundred
bucks and been been at the Alamo Dome right now,
like you know, like it's it's way better. The best

(01:53:17):
thing college football has the stadium's practice. And a huge
part I think you're right about that as well as
a huge part of the NFL discussion is who's gonna
get home field? Right? Going to Foxboro and beating the
Patriots is hard. Going to Tesco Loosa and beating Nick
Saban would be almost impossible, right, And that's why you
then add drama to who's getting into four, who's getting

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into third. People are like, well, it'll make the regular
season not madder because it's easier to get in. It
really isn't easy to get in. Okay, look at those teams.
The only team that had a kind of easy way
was was Washington because the league stinks. Everyone else has
got one loss, that's it, and you're gonna end up
splitting hairs. So it's it gonna be hard. But then

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you're sitting there going, hey, we're we got home field.
Georgia got the four their psyche, it would be fantastic.
Dan Wetzel go follow him on Twitter at Dan Wetzel.
I love the idea. Will unpack it a bit more.
Also Lebron James update. It's l a Bron next on
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Welch is tough as grapes. Final segment of the show.
Love Dan Wetzel's idea and the discussion there of expanding
the playoff to eight teams four on campus sites. You've
heard me talk about it a lot on this show.
He wrote a good column about it. You can go

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find him on Twitter at Dan Wetzel. Thank him for
hopping on discuss his playoff idea with him. UM and
UH also get ready for the conference tidal games in
the meantime. But think about that if you have a
young kid, like I was talking with my ten year old,
trying to explain the concept of college football games used
to end in ties. UH, and also the idea that

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you could have ever been in a situation where multiple
teams claim championships because there's no definite champion. At least
we're moving down the right pathway here by having a
four team playoff and certainly an eight team playoff, which
I think is the right number. I think you get
to eight. I would fight against expanding the playoff beyond eight.
I understand there's some of you out there that are

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sixteen people and you're like, oh, we need sixteen college
football teams in the playoffs. I think that's too many.
I think it's the perfect number. And you could debate
how exactly you pick those eight. I just let the
College Football Playoff Committee seed the top eight team teams.
And if you're not, if your conference is not good
enough to have one of the eight best teams in
college football, that's on you. It's on you that you

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don't get the playoff team Pack twelve. Look, your champ's
gonna have three losses and there's not good enough, so
you don't get to have a college football playoff team.
You seef you were good enough, so you get rewarded,
you get in as a playoff team. Lots of years
that wouldn't happen. I wouldn't be concerned about where the
eight teams were coming from. I just take the top eight,

(01:56:32):
all right. We do a little segment on this show
called l A bron because we're the only show not
obsessed with Lebron James right now in all of America.
But I do think we should touch on Lebron and
let you know how things are going. Cue the music.
I think we have l A Bron time. L Hey,
I got I got, I got I got from the
first show in the country to predict hashtag future Laker.

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Instead of three hours of it, Travis captures all the
mania in three minutes. Lebron has picked up the circus
tent and it has followed him wherever he is gone.
What's the latest on the Lebron circus? What's going on
with l A Bron? Danny g Alright Clay. After a
nice win against the Jazz on Friday night, Lebron and
his Lakers have lost two in a row. They lost

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to Orlando again on Sunday and last night one eighty
five to the Nuggets in Denver. Lebron dropped thirty seven
and two. But the Lakers are not making their free
throws in this losing streak and they are not rebounding well.
That is the latest in Lebron Land. Lebron went for
fourteen and seven last night, right because I had him
to get a double double. Uh fourteen. In fact, you

(01:57:39):
just buggled everything about l A Bron did not He
had fourteen points and he had seven rebounds. My bad.
I looked at his minutes. Oh my bad. This is
why we can't talk about Lebron James. I give you
three minutes to give us an update on Lebron James,
and you've bungled everything. Thank you for the three minutes
of prep time. I appreciate that. You know shouldn't be

(01:58:00):
three minutes of prep time to be able to look
at the box score and see what happened with the
Lakers game. I know I am surrounded. If you only
knew how many things we were multitasking, play me a
violin for all the wind goes on on this show.

(01:58:22):
I am so competent. I show up and I do
everything right, and I am Nick Saban and I am
trying to I am trying to coach uh like a
j V squad. Does he do? Matter how many he scored?
They lost? People care about l A Braun And you
couldn't even get his points and rebounds right? Well, I

(01:58:43):
saw and normally Lebron will drop thirty. So yeah, learn
how to read a box score. That's what I'm talking about.
My name is Clay Travis. Everybody else on this show
is incompetent. Go download the podcast. We had a lot
of fun. Uh, my name is Clay. Like I said,
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