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rate quote. We have got a lot to dive into today.
We have got NFL preseason Week two basically in the books,

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what we think about everything that took place over the weekend.
We've got the absurdity in Ohio state continuing to grow.
When will we actually get news on Urban Meyer and
the investigative committees results? And what is the impact of
the Zach Smith UH sexual purchases along with his UH

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There's a lot of details to get in there. If
you didn't pay attention. Stadium Sports and Brett McMurphy broken
additional story about Zack Smith On Friday afternoon, we'll have
Brett McMurphy in our three of the show today to
walk through all of those stories, and uh, Brent Snedecker
posts a big win in the p G A uh

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following up his fifty nine on Thursday. We'll talk a
little bit about that. But I thought up to me
one of the most fascinating story. Also, let me let
me say this too. I also think the decision by
ESPN to go public and basically endorse what I had
said on this show last week that I would do

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if I were running the business at ESPN, at Fox,
at CBS or NBC basically say hey, we're not gonna
pay attention to the nash An anthem anymore. Esp I'm
surprised they admitted it, but ESPN said on Monday Night Football,
we're not going to cover to the national anthem anymore.
That effectively that story is over. And you know what's happened.

(02:14):
I haven't heard or seen one story knock on wood
about anything having to do with the anthem or protest
in week two. It's amazing how if the media just
makes a decision, you know what, We're not going to
pay attention to this anymore. The story just kind of
disappears am I alone in not having seen any stories

(02:37):
about hardly anyone doing anything. Just something to keep in mind.
I don't even know whether anybody knelt at all in
week two of the NFL preseason, think about it. I
don't know. I'll bring in the crew at some point
we can discuss, but I haven't heard. And I think
a big part of that is if the media decides

(02:59):
not to or something, the story just goes away. That's
a advice I gave last week or the week before.
I said, it's a lot like when the players are
like a kid that's running. My analogy where if you've
got young kids, you have seen them on the playground,
you have seen them at somebody's birthday party, you have

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seen them in the backyard of your house. That little
kid will be running as fast as he can, and
if he trips and he falls and he lands hard,
and he knows that you were watching, he oftentimes will
get up and start to cry because he wants that
attention and he knows that you saw what happened. But

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how often do you see a little kid running as
fast as he can, he falls, he gets up, and
he looks around to see if anybody else noticed. And
if he doesn't think anybody saw him, he gets up
and he just keeps right on playing. I think NFL
football players are a lot like that little kid right now.

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Once people stop paying attention to their protest, they're not
going to protest. It's gonna die. The reason why they're
doing it is because the media gives their protest oxygen.
At this point, if they don't give that protest oxygen,
it dies. But I was thinking about all of this
because I went to an NFL preseason game on Saturday night.

(04:23):
I went to the Titans and the Bucks game Bucks
at Titans, and I was there with my two two
of my three kids, my two oldest, my ten year old,
my seven year old, and my wife. I'm a season
ticket holder, and the game was, i would say, at best,
sparsely attended. And as I am sitting there with my boys,

(04:47):
we spent a lot of time talking about the NFL
and sports in general. I think, and it's important in general,
I think to try to see the world not just
through your own eyes, but through the eyes of other people,
particularly young kids. So my ten year old, basically anything

(05:07):
that happened before two thousand thirteen, he doesn't remember he
might read about it having happened, but unless it happened
before two thousand thirteen, he has virtually no recollection of
it whatsoever. And my seven year old is even you know,
like through two thousand fifteen or whatever. They're uh there,

(05:31):
history of life is a relatively like a mosquito length,
right compared to other people. I'm sitting with them watching
the game, and I think to myself, as I'm sitting
watching with them, my god, I know it's the preseason,
but the NFL game from their perspective, is really boring.

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And they care because they know Dad likes the NFL
and they and they watch football and everything else. But
if you think about the way that our sport exists,
if you are an NFL fan, there is a lot
of boredom in an NFL football game. And as I
was watching with them, it's a three hour game. But

(06:18):
I'm thinking to myself, the NFL in general really is
going to have to revamp the way they put on
games as these kids are growing up. And it's funny.
There were several different things that kind of hit me
all at once. First of all, Hooters, I see this
story that happens yesterday Hooters is blaming millennials for not

(06:42):
liking boobs for the Hooters chain starting to collapse in
terms of its revenue. And they cited a study at
porn Hub where they look at what age groups look
at and I swear to God, I evidently it's true.
Millennials are not interested in boobs as other generations of

(07:03):
men have been. This is according to porn Hub, and
now Hooters has built on it and they are saying, hey,
our business is suffering because millennial men are not as
interested in looking at girls in tight shirts and cleavage
as men throughout the last hundred years basically have been. AhR, Well,
this is a pretty crazy, uh, pretty pretty crazy change.

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And on Sunday morning, what's the first thing that my
boys want to do. They want to wake up and
they want to play Fortnite, and I'm thinking about Okay,
let's compare Fortnite in the NFL. If you're not familiar
with Fortnite, it's the most popular video game that kids
are playing across the entire country. And there are basically

(07:51):
what's I think is the most popular version of Fortnite
is a hundred people all start playing at the same
time and one of them wins. It's like a constant
it battle royale to see who's gonna win. And what's
amazing about it is it's all over the world, sweeping
across everybody, every you know, every age, gender, everything else,

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and it's instantaneous. Every time you die, there's a brand
new game that starts, and the moment you die, you
can go back in and play again. You can get
on your headset, play with your friends and everything else.
But what it is is instantaneous entertainment. And the same

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thing is true if you think about it in the
way that kids go out and they watch television nowadays.
When you and I were growing up, we would sit
around and we would watch a television show, and we
were perfectly willing to sit through commercials. We understood that

(08:57):
in order to watch the Fresh Prince of bel A
or Growing Pains, or or even an old school show
like Brady Bunch that our parents had watched. If you're
around my age, we understood that in order to watch
the show, there was the expectation that you would sit
through commercials. If you've got young kids now, they almost

(09:19):
never watch commercials every moment of their day. If they
want to be entertained is instantaneous entertainment, and it's just
the stuff that they want to watch. And the same
thing is true of the way they play Fortnite. Think
about Fortnite versus the NFL product. The NFL product is

(09:45):
infinitely more boring. There's all this time between plays, there's
all these television commercials where people come out and stand
on the field and there's not that much going on.
I mean, kids were most entertained at the game on Saturday,
the NFL preseason game, the Bucks at the Titans, by

(10:08):
the shopping cart race, the halftime dance contest that can
you catch the football on the field or not? Can
you make field goals? Then they were by the actual
game on the field. Now you can partially say, okay,
well it's a preseason game, it didn't really matter. The
best players are not on the field. I think that's
certainly true, and I think there's a strong argument to

(10:29):
be made that the NFL having a four game preseason
is a sign that they don't respect their audience. That
you require people like me who are season ticket holders
to pay full price for two games that are effectively
dress rehearsal. Dress rehearsals is an insult to the average
NFL fan. But even with the even with the fact

(10:54):
that it's a preseason game factored in, the NFL game
last for three hours in change, they need to cut
like forty minutes out of an NFL game. I'm telling
you right now, the kids that are you know, my kids,
your kids, they're not gonna sit around and watch nothing

(11:15):
happened four hours like we would, understanding that you have
to sit through commercial breaks to get what you like.
These kids are predicated on an entertainment culture where they
should be able to watch any show or movie without
commercials the minute that they want to watch it. That
if it has ever existed. When you and I were little,

(11:36):
if I missed G I. Joe on television, we didn't
have the VCR setup. That means I didn't get to
watch G I. Joe for the next twenty four hours.
Every morning, my three year old comes downstairs and while
he eats breakfast, he says he wants to watch Spider Man,
and he picks which Spider Man he wants to watch,

(11:56):
the Old Spider Man, which hits me right in the
heart as he calls it that Tobey Maguire Spider Man one, two,
and three The Amazing Spider Man. I think there are
two of those. Spider Man Homecoming. Anyway, he can pick
any Spider Man that's ever existed and decide which one
he wants to watch that exact moment. It's everybody out

(12:18):
there right now, a I want exactly what I want
at this exact moment in time. And I'm looking around
at this seventy thousand seat stadium. And yes, the anthem
factors in, and I think it's a substantial fact of
substantial aspect and whether or not people are watching the NFL.
But I think the media might finally have gotten that

(12:38):
right and just be stopping to cover it. I got
my hair cut yesterday, six year old woman cutting my hair.
The only thing she wants to ask about the Titans
game is did everybody stand up for the anthem? And
she says, I haven't been watching for the last two
years because they haven't been standing up for the anthem.
I hear this everywhere I go. So you've got the
older people out there who were upset about the anthem.

(13:01):
You've got younger people that I think you're losing because
they go to a game and they're like, this is
not very entertaining. You and I are used to a
NFL game, and the fact that it's gonna last three
hours and the amount of time that the ball is
in play is a tiny pin prick of the three
hours that you'll be sitting there compared to the NHL,

(13:21):
compared to soccer. I think the NFL has got some
real challenges, and it's funny. I'm thinking about all of this,
and this morning when I walk outside to get my newspaper,
the Wall Street Journal has got an article from Jason Gay,
one of their sports column this and his question is,
if you owned an NFL team right now, would you
sell My answer is yes, if I owned an NFL

(13:43):
team right now, I would sell my franchise. I think
the NFL is peaked, and I think it's gonna take
Roger Goodell is not the answer. I think it's gonna
take a really smart leader to make aggressive changes to
the way that we consume NFL aims in order to
appeal to the next generation and also look solve the

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issues that have led to people who are already NFL
fans abandoning the league in record numbers over the past
two years. Now, I think maybe they've got some sort
of resolution of the anthem issue three years after it started.
So I do think maybe possibly this thing is going
to start to die a little bit. But I'm curious
what my crew thinks. I'm gonna bring them in again.

(14:29):
Don't think about sports through your own eyes. Look at
your kids and my kids. The NFL is not that
entertaining of a product compared to the other products that
they have access to. Now. Entertainment options have proliferated in
a way that didn't exist when you or I were kids.

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To me, the era and age of a massive football stadium,
Why would you go sit at the top of a
football stadium when you can watch a game at home
and have Super hdo your sixt flat screen television. But
also when you can put it on the red zone
channel and you never have a commercial break and you
just jump around from once one bit of action to another.

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I I I again, I think the NFL has got
some major challenge, not just the NFL. By the way,
I think Major League Baseball is gonna have the same challenges.
I think that to a certain extent, the NBA is too,
because these kids are not going to consume sports the
same way we did. Or even the same way our
dads did. Everything is changing. I think it's happening really rapidly.

(15:35):
Let's discuss this much to get to the Ohio state
scandal continues to evolve. Like I said, we'll talk with
pret McMurphy an hour three. What do we think of
the young NFL quarterbacks? Where four uh four quarterbacks have
a chance I think to start week one? Uh Well,
we'll see which of those four we think is the
most likely and we'll talk to the crew everything going on.
I'll open up the phone lines eight seven seven, six

(15:58):
three six nine. Am I crazy? Or when you look
at the NFL through the eyes of your kids, do
you see some of the same things that I saw? Again?
I went to Bucks Titans. It wasn't a very good
experience to go to an NFL game, especially not in
the preseason. But the entertainment factor is just not there

(16:18):
compared to all the other aspects of entertainment that exists
for kids today. Do you agree with me? Eight seven
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NFL stadium because I went to the first preseason game
of and frankly, I just didn't think it was a

(17:04):
very good experience from my kids perspective, and I think
the NFL, and then I think this is gonna be
true of all sports leagues in this era where e
gaming is taking off, where kids are sitting around watching
a lot more video game playing, where you have all
this instantaneous entertainment. I think the difference between Fortnite, the

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enjoyment factor in the level of Fortnite, which is the
most popular video game in the world right now, and
an NFL football game is massive. And I think the
difference between the way kids are in experiencing entertainment today
and the way even when you and I would have
been growing up is also massive. And so I'm curious

(17:49):
if you guys can pick up on this now that
when you go to an NFL game, I still think
on television it's not as big of a deal because
you can get up and you can move around if
you're watching at home him. But when you go to
a game, if you are a season ticket holder and
you're sitting in this stadium, you see how much wasted
time there is in an NFL game. It's even worse

(18:10):
in college football, by the way. College football sometimes these
games the last four hours, and you see how little
of the game, even the game itself, the amount of
time that you're waiting for commercials to be over. And
when I'm watching, I'm thinking to myself, they need to
be like soccer and have the different segments of the
game sponsored by different brands. You know how you'll see

(18:32):
on a soccer game and it'll just have a logo
that's on the bottom of the screen or directly underneath
the scoreboard, and it'll have all the actions sponsored. And
if you watch a soccer game, you know, okay, people
complain because they say, oh, you never know how much
time is left in a soccer game, but you pretty
much know that there's not gonna be more than five
minutes of added time. If you just watch the World

(18:53):
Cup forty five minute half, at most five minutes of
added time, you can know beyond a shadow of a
doubt that a soccer game is gonna be over in
two hours or less. That extra hour feels different and
long when you watch an NFL game? Am I crazy
for thinking about this? Danny G? Do you notice now,
maybe more so, especially if you consider watching the Red

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Zone or or one of these other stations where you
can jump around to all the different games that are
going on that NFL games, especially if you're at one,
feel incredibly plotting and long now, even more so than
they did when we were kids. Do you think maybe
this is a little bit different from city to city

(19:35):
Because I attended an Oakland Radar game last season, and
it was exciting the entire time. It was a regular
season game, so, like you said in your opening monologue,
maybe it was a glorified scrimmage that kind of slowed
it down even more for your kids, But even the
kids in attendance there in Oakland, there's a live DJ

(19:56):
during the break, so everybody's dancing. The action on the
field was great. That game from start to finish was electric.
So when you're saying all that it was a sold
out game, Yeah, how many people fit in an Oakland
Raiders stadium, Well, they call it Mount Davis, the part
that they have tarped off because that plan failed because

(20:16):
the seats are way up so high you would need
an oxygen mask. So they haven't used those seats and
pretty much since they put them up there. Yeah, all
said and told fifty eight thousands of how many go
to Well, because of my schedule here at the network,
I only got to go to one game last season. Okay,
So I think I think it can factor in how
often you go, could I really? I mean, but I

(20:40):
used to be a season ticket holder. That was quite
a few. That was a decade ago, but for nine
years I was a season ticket hold. Think I think
if you talked to the average eight year old that
was at that game, I think you would tell you
was kind of boring. Boy. Okay, I don't have kids,
but my older brother brings his children there. My cousin
brings his children and they love Sundays at the stadium.

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And that's one of the worst stadiums in the country
because it's old and decrepit. But the atmosphere there is
one of the best. Yeah, I think the NFL is
in trouble, and maybe maybe I'm wrong. I've been around
to a lot of different stadiums. I think the the
driving reason to go to a game is diminishing. And

(21:23):
I don't know what the attendance has looked like at
at the preseason games that you guys have been to
in different parts of your city and states and country.
But I mean, it was that best half full for
Bucks Titans. Now it's Saturday night, but I thought, you
know that I felt pretty good about taking my kids
on a Saturday night because I was like, Okay, we

(21:43):
don't have to worry about getting up for school the
next day and everything else. Very disinterested crowd, Uh what
about you guys? Are you buying into my theory that
the NFL is going to have to substantially change the
way it puts on its product, Eddie Garcia, you buying in? Well,
I'm also I married into season tickets with my wife,

(22:05):
who has been a Charger's season ticket holder for many years,
and now of course they're in here in Los Angeles. Um.
I find the game experience is still still lives up
to the you know what you expect it's going to be.
It's all the other things though that uh you know,
even I've gone weird, gone weary of and can't imagine
you know, young people really being interested in talking about

(22:25):
you know, traffic and waiting to get out and standing
in line for food and going to the bathroom and
all that stuff. And I still have amazed in this
in this you know era with cell phones being so
such a part of everyone's life that the cellphone reception
in these stadiums is horrible and it's hard, you know,
you can't even access uh, you know, we're talking about

(22:47):
gambling coming in, you know, being a big part of
the NFL and sports. I don't know what it is,
but it seems like there's got to be something that
they can make it easier and whether it's uh, you know,
charge your's in your seats for your phones and things
like that to make that a better experience, to help out.
It's interesting to me you mentioned that because I do
think that's substantial. But you're how how many like the

(23:10):
StubHub field and I know eventually they're gonna have the
really awesome place in Englewood, I think right where they're
building the new stadium for both the Chargers and the Rams.
But how many? Uh but that stadium is tiny, right,
so everybody has a pretty good view in theory at
least correct. Yes, it's about thirty so there are no
bad seats in that place. So what's fascinating to me

(23:30):
about this as well, is I think that every foot
if I were to First of all, I would sell
my team. I think the NFL has peaked. But if
I were building a new stadium right now, I would
build it no more than forty thousand seats, and I
would charge more for those forty thousand seats, But I
would do what you're just saying. I would make it
incredibly high end. So that Um, I think about the

(23:53):
way I go watch a movie. Now, if I decide
I'm gonna go watch a movie, if I'm gonna leave
my house, I want to go to a din in theater.
I want there to be reclinable seats. I want there
to be a waiter who can come get me uh food,
you know, during the course of the movie. I want
to make going to the movie theater and experience This

(24:14):
is me personally. If you're gonna get me to leave
my house and go watch a movie theater. Then I
want I also, by the way, I would like to
have reserved seat so that if I show up with
my wife on date night and we get there five
minutes after the previews have started, that we're not sitting
on the front row, or even worse, that we're not
having to split up, especially also even with my kids.

(24:36):
Um and I think movies have started to evolve, and
and also obviously there's the IMAX experience, and there's three
D experience and everything else. But I think movie theaters
have come to recognize wait a minute, there are a
lot of people out there, and it's not just insanely
rich people now who effectively have home theater systems. Right.
They have stereo surround sound, They've got awesome couches and

(24:57):
and love seats and everything else at sis to all
the food and drink they could want. And it's not
enough to just be able to go into a movie
theater and see the screen and how much different it's
gonna be. You have to make it an experience. I
don't know that pro sports has caught up with the
idea of putting on an experience. I think they have.
If you're wealthy. If you're wealthy enough to be in

(25:18):
a in a luxury box, or if you're wealthy enough
to be in like the highest end level seats, but
if you're just a regular fan, I don't think the
experience is that good. I want to open up the
phone lines. I want people to Uh, Roberto, you've got
young kids. Have you been to an NFL game recently? Uh? No,
I didn't go. Last year. I went to the Radar
game of Mexico City. I had a blast there. Yeah.

(25:38):
Well my daughter was about uh she was like a
year old, and she well she probably doesn't remember, but
she it was easy taking her. I mean she she
didn't Yeah, she didn't remember. Yeah, didn't have no recollection.
I'm curious if you have kids, am I I'm crazy?
Am I crazy to think about this? Eight seven seven

(26:00):
three six nine. We'll go to your calls here uh
here momentarily and bringing Eddie Garcia and get the updates.
But am I crazy for trying to look at the
NFL through my kid's eyes and thinking, you know what,
this is not that exciting of an experience. They need
to step it up and figure out a way to
make it more Fortnite Esque and and you might think
that's crazy, but I'm curious. Do you guys agree. We'll
take your calls here momentarily. But first, Eddie Garcia, what's

(26:22):
shaken in the world of sports. Let's give you a
guy co scoreboard from Major League Baseball where the Astros
beat the A's nine to four. Houston avoids of sweep
and moves back on top in the a l O West,
one game up on the A's also Houston starting picture.
Justin Burlander picked up his two hundred career victory. Dominbacks
beat the pod Rays four to three, while the Rockies
down the Brave Sword to two. Card gets the sweep
of Atlanta, but still is a half game back of

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Arizona for first in the NL West. For the Rockies,
they're tied with the Brewers and the Phillies for those
two wild card spots in the National League. Phillies follow
the Metzic too. Philadelphia still a half game back of
Atlanta for the NL East. Lead Brewers over the Cardinals
two to one. St. Louis after came out of a
wild card spot in the NL. Dodgers beat up on
the Aaron There's twelve to one l As two back
in the n l OS the game and a back
in the wild Card. Seattle is also three and a

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half out of the American wild Card race, and in
eleven endings the Pirates walk off with the two on
one of the Cubs. Chicago's lead a top. The Anel
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of you reacting on Twitter. You can always find me
on Twitter at Clay Travis. Jeff says you continually say

(27:46):
things I've been thinking. Lifelong Vikings fan living as a
single dad in Montana, My fifteen year old son loves
the Vikings, only can make it through one series, goes
and dominates Fortnite instead, says, tell me if something good
happens spot On. I think if you have kids, there
is definitely this thought in the back of your mind

(28:09):
where maybe the game is just not entertaining enough as
it's presented for them. Let's go to your calls, Adam
in Kentucky, what you got for me? Hey man? What's
going on? Actually got the idea from you along of
a few weeks ago, is they're gonna have to find
a way to be more interactive. Like whenever you're watching

(28:30):
the challenge flag thrown out and you watched the replay
five times and they go to commercial, they come back
and tell you, well, why not bring the watchers in
and let them vote on what they think it is? Now, God,
can you imagine? But yeah, you mean, like, have a
have an interactive poll, like not not to actually have

(28:50):
a you know, like an impact, but just allow people
to think, as a viewership, what are we seeing, like
what do we think right? Or or even even say
that they're gonna they're gonna go with the results. I mean,
you would get more people watching. You'd have people on
their phones clicking. I mean, that's what it's about, right,
our ratings and click. Yeah. I mean, look, I I

(29:11):
think there's no doubt the challenges the biggest fan bases
would say that there we we've seen with the Ohio
State story that people aren't objective. So if you're fans
like it's like the crowd's gonna boo and and disagree,
I think in general, maybe the wisdom of the masses
would work. I tend to think that Dallas Cowboys have
the biggest fan base that Dallas Cowboys would never have

(29:31):
a instant replay review ever go against them, because all
their fan base would just show up and vote against it.
I agree it would be ways, but I mean I
think it would get get people watching, it would get
people voting, you know, and that's the main goal is
to do that. I think the interactivity, I think the
interactivity is a good one. How many whenever you do

(29:53):
a poll in your first five minutes, how many responses
do you have? Yeah, I've got to pull up right now.
It's a good question. And so Leomon and it's only
been up like five minutes. Segue into that really evenly, Um,
I am asking you guys, which and we're gonna talk
about this the start of hour two. But which ricky
rookie quarterback who might start this year has been the
most impressive to you so far? Baker Mayfield, Sam Donald,

(30:15):
josh Allen or Joshu Rosen. Uh Lamar Jackson is not
going to start barring injury to Joe Flacco. Um And
there are uh, I mean, in the first five minutes,
there'll be a thousand voters, even though it's early in
the morning, even though it's six am, and we'll probably
end up with twenty five thousand voters before all of
a sudden done. Why do I put up these polls?
One because I like to know what your responses are

(30:37):
as a group. Two because I do think it's important
to make radio interactive. Um So, yeah, look, I mean,
I I think that's right. I think what needs to happen, honestly,
is we need um like they let fans call a cup,
they auctioned off a couple of play calls. I think
letting fans be involved and maybe once a quarter in
picking a play is something that that I think, you know,

(31:00):
like old techno bowl style, they give you four options
flips up on the screen, and if you're a subscriber,
you get the opportunity to vote on what the play
is going to be. I think that is something that
that could be very interactive and kind of bring the
video game element to kids out there. Jose and Fremont,
what's up? What's our brother? Hey? A couple of things
you guys mentioned, like, hey, I'm a die hard writer.

(31:22):
He didn't take a holder. If I gotta go and
pee in a trough. Still to this day, you better
have the internet working because at halftime, if my game
is boring or we're losing, I want to make a
bet on that halftime on some of the late games.
And second of all, you're gonna have they're gonna have
to figure a way out to go like back in
the eighties that movie The Running Man, to get the
fan base interactive, like everybody's been saying, you're gonna have

(31:44):
to go that route to get these kids involved. Because
my son's my son seventeen, and he's there and you
know what, after the first quarter, he's on his phone
even with no signal he's trying to get on the
internet and figured what's going on with other stuff, and
it's it's getting kind of lame for them, but you know,
we still love it. And then one thing we're getting
at least we're gonna be able to gamble in our

(32:05):
own states. Yeah. I mean, look, I think there's an
element here of of gambling and internet connectivity that's supposedly
a big issue for college kids. It's, by the way,
not just the NFL. College attendance for football games is
under siege, and even from students, kids who are on
college campuses, they're like, I'll just watch it on television.

(32:25):
I'm not willing to walk over to the stadium. Well,
the WiFi doesn't work that well, I can't get on Instagram,
I can't get on Twitter, I can't I can't text
message with my friends. We'll just stay back at the
at the dorm or the or the frat house and
throw a party and we'll just watch it on television
where we have other things we can do during the game.
And this is like, if you look in student sections,

(32:47):
this is something that that college, uh college administrators are
trying to conquer in a big way. Is figuring out
why students who are already on campus aren't willing to
make the walk over to watch a football game. They
just as soon stay back and watch it somewhere else.
Um and uh, it's pretty intrigued. Um, let's go to

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JP and Phoenix. What's up? JP? Thank you having go on? Man? Excellent? Hey?
Uh kids? So like thinking the game like war, you know,
you know, fun and more so like you know, being
engaged or whatnot. But I went to a game when
I was ten years old, the Great Season Game Michael Vick,
like the old Meadowland get the Jets. The game was
so boring that I never understood why are the players

(33:30):
standing around? What are they doing? My father had to
expend to me this is when the cd y knots
are on. Last year, I went to the Cowboys Cardinals
game on a Monday night, and my fiance never been
to a football game. I said, you're gonna see a
lot of people standing around. She didn't get that day,
because when you're at home, like you said, you can
walk around, do your own thing and whatnot. The thing
that gets me is something like the kickoff. You know,

(33:50):
when a team scort a touchdown, you take an extra point,
there's a time out, they do the kickoff there as
the time out. Literally in between plays, there's probably about
ten minutes. Is there any way they HADFL could kind
of you know, break down that time like the league
Baseball is done. It's like the pitch count for example,
and like taking up the innercial walk, you know, making
an automatic touch the game up, Like, how can the

(34:11):
NFL do that? Yeah, it's a great question, I asked, Well,
maybe some ideas. I mean, I asked this question, why
can't you charge twice as much for half the commercials?
And that might sound like a ridiculous question, but if
you limit the number of commercial availabilities in a game,
why can't you just cut the the amount of commercial

(34:35):
time that you actually have during a game where nothing
is happening and charge twice as much so that the
limited commercial time you do have is more valuable. There
are a lot of things that I think the NFL
could do that would shave thirty minutes off a game.
You could easily watch an NFL game in two hours
if you just streamlined commercials as opposed to three, and

(34:57):
then it would be basically the same length as a
World Cup soccer game. I think something the NFL needs
to consider. Final segment our one, we'll talk about it.
We're gonna dive into Ohio State at the top of
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start and and roll this into the top of our
two as well. UM, do we have any update on
the protest? Just f y I was there a story
out there? Did anybody protest in week two? Anybody know
Danny g Eddie, Garcia, Roberto, anybody see stories about it
at all? Uh? They were there was the only thing
I saw. There were some eagles that stayed into the

(37:05):
in the locker room against okay a few Eagles stayed
in the locker room. Anybody else here anything else about
protests a week two? Know. The only other thing I
saw over the weekend was that ESPN announced that they
are not gonna focus in on the anthem any longer
on their football broadcasts, which I mean, you know, I
rip ESPN a lot of the decision making. I think
it's smart, but I think so we're I'm Paul. I

(37:26):
didn't see anything I do remember seeing, now that I
think about it. The story about a few of the
Eagles not coming out, staying in the tunnel or whatever else,
I think that's a minor story. I think the media
has given so much oxygen to the NFL protests story
that now when ESPN comes out and says, hey, we're

(37:46):
not going to cover it anymore, I think CBS, NBC
and Fox are gonna get in line behind this, and
I think the protest story is going to die. I
think the oxygen is going to diminish. After two and
a half years. The story is over. You have the
right as a player, as a person out there, to

(38:06):
be as active on your social media accounts about what
you care about as you possibly desire, but the media
doesn't have to cover what you say on your social
media accounts as major news. They can if they're desperate
Lebron James Twigs instagrams or tweets something, then people can

(38:28):
go out and cover it. By the way, did you
guys see speaking of a story that I wish I
got more attention? Did you see that Dwyane Wade was
upset because Jimmy Butler was commenting on his wife's Instagram picture?
Did you guys see that? No? Miss oh, it was amazing.
Google I I want to hit this at some point
an hour two or our three, you guys google it

(38:50):
and pull it up. I didn't get as much attention
as it should have. Dwyane Wade was upset that Jimmy
Butler was commenting. Who is Dwyane Wade married to? Now
that's the actress Gabrielle Union. Yes, Gabrielle Union put up
a picture of herself in like a see through top
on Instagram and Jimmy Butler was commenting on it, and
Dwyane Wade was upset that Jimmy Butler was commenting on it.

(39:12):
But that's a story that you know you could cover
right like you just grabbed there's always these Instagram drama,
dramatic stories that seem to be grabbed in the in
the NBA where one guy saying something else about somebody
that you can make a decision about whether or not
to cover it from a media perspective. But I think
what you will see if the media decides not to

(39:33):
cover the protests and decides not to cover the drama
surrounding the national anthem, this story will will disappear. And
maybe you can make an argument when Colin Kaepernick was
doing it, it was new enough and needed to be
covered in everything else. But I think the media is
starting to make smart decisions. And what I said earlier
is ESPN, NBC, CBS, and Fox are all partners of

(39:55):
the league. So why would you spend billions of dollars
on a product and then undercut its value by diminishing
your ratings, by by angering the crowd that's watching it.
I actually think it's a really smart move by ESPN. Alright,
we start off hour two. I'm gonna driving to dive
into this Ohio state drama. What happened with Zack Smith?

(40:15):
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OutKick the coverage, and we've talked a lot in our
one about the NFL. And I've got a pull question
up for you that surrounds the NFL. Uh, dive in
and vote, if you are so inclined, which rookie quarterback
who might start this year? So I'm tossing out Lamar Jackson.
Uh And by the way, I would like to have
more than four options on these polls that we do

(41:02):
on Twitter, but I only get four options. So we
got four rookie quarterbacks this year? Who might start? Lamar Jackson,
I think it's fair to say is only going to
start if something happens to Joe Flacco and maybe if
something happens to r G three too. Has been most
impressive to you so far. I'm gonna get to the
Ohio State News in a moment, but I'm gonna bring
in the crew and ask you guys this as well. UH.

(41:24):
Baker Mayfield, Sam Donald, Josh Allen or Josh Rosen. My
vote is Sam Donald because he's the only guy who
started and gone up against first team NFL defense, the defenders.
It makes a big difference if you're going up against
second and third teamers. So far, Baker Mayfield has not started. UH.
Josh Allen has basically started, He's been close to starting. UH.

(41:47):
Josh Rosen has as well, But Sam Donald is the
only person who has officially started, I believe, So my
vote would be Sam Donald. By the way, four thousand
of you have voted so far. You can find me
on Twitter at Clay Travis and vote there. What about you,
Danny G. Who would you say has been the best
so far? Well? I also would go with Donald right

(42:07):
off the bat, but since I don't want to just
agree with you, I'll go Josh Rosen because he's kind
of under wraps, a little bit under the radar, just
slightly in Phoenix, in Arizona. And what I like is
he has fifteen year veteran future Hall of Famer Larry Fitzgerald.
He's got a good cast around him, and I think
because he's in the market where the media is not

(42:29):
gonna be all over him seven, he really has a
chance to shine his rookie season. I agree with you.
I actually think Josh Rosen has been by one. I
said I would have taken Rosen number one overall, uh
if I were drafting. But also I think that the
amount of attention that Josh Rosen has got compared to
the other three situations, whether you're talking about Josh Allen

(42:50):
and Buffalo, Baker Mayfield in Cleveland or Sam Donald in
New York, where you obviously know there's gonna be a
lot more media, I think by far he's been the
most under the radar. Eddie Garcia, which would you say
has been the most impressive of those four so far?
I don't know that any of them have really jumped
off the page is being impressive. They've They've all been
pretty good. Um. I guess the good news is that

(43:10):
none of them have been atrocious. I haven't seen much
of Rosen um, but I think for me it's about expectations.
I thought Sam Donald would be good, so I'm not
too surprised or maybe impressed with how he's done so far.
I think he's done what I thought he would actually
might have to go Josh Allen because I thought he
would be a disaster. I thought there was a terrible

(43:32):
pick and we'll see, obviously when he faces some real
defense is how it goes. But he may get the start.
With the injury to A. J. McCarron, I think he's
been a little bit better than I thought he would. Yeah,
I a lot of times these these battles resolved themselves
based on injuries, and we thought going in, look, the
Bills have a three way battle for the overall number

(43:53):
one position there between Nathan Peterman, A J. McCarron, and
Josh Allen, and now we're down to Peterman versus Allan,
and we'll see what ends up happening there. I'm kind
of surprised by the results so far. Which rookie quarterback
who might start this year again tossing Lamar Jackson out
because I think it's fair to say Joe Flacco has
got that job locked up. Has been the most impressive

(44:14):
to you so far. I thought this would be more
competitive than it has been, and I think this may
be just a reaction to media coverage. Fifty percent of
people are saying Baker Mayfield. Maybe that's the hard knocks
factor rolling in as well the fact that Baker Mayfield's
the most well known uh and and media covered of
the so far. Sam Donald getting thirty percent of the vote,

(44:34):
that's who I'd go with, Josh Allen twelve percent, Josh
Rosen getting just eight percent. That's the order in which
they were drafted, by the way that I listed them.
You can go vote at Clay Travis, find me on Twitter,
go hop in and vote there. All right, So, uh,
that's NFL Action Week two in the preseason. I would say,
like we just said, the biggest story to come out

(44:54):
of Week two from the quarterback race competition is a
j mccarren's injury. Otherwise, I know we had the Darius
Geis situation and uh and the issue with the offensive
lineman for the New England Patriots. But I would say,
in general, knock on wood, the NFL preseason has not
been that debilitating in terms of season ending injuries, which

(45:16):
is what you really kind of watch the NFL preseason
four just cringing hoping that whichever stars are on your
team are gonna make it through the preseason and all
the training camp and everything else without being injured. Because
there's always several guys who do get hurt. But let
me let me dive in now to this Ohio State
story on Friday, and we're gonna talk with Bred McMurphy
an our three at some point this weekend theory, and

(45:39):
we don't know exactly what day that's gonna be. I
think we're gonna get a ruling on urban Meyer and
what the future of his status at Ohio State is
gonna be. Ohio State put out a statement on Friday
saying their fourteen day investigation would conclude that there would
then be uh kind of a process that they would follow.

(46:00):
They would announce that they're going to have a hearing
uh surrounding that that report. UH, they'd give a twenty
four hour notice for that hearing. We have not seen
that so far. So at an absolute earliest, I would
say at this point, I think probably the earliest we
could hear something is Wednesday. It's possible Ohio State doesn't
put out an official ruling until Friday and they try

(46:22):
to bury this as they head into the weekend. Urban
Meyer has been on a leave of absence now for
over two weeks, right, I mean, I'm trying to remember
what day initially the results came out. I remember I
was on vacation when this when the ruling came out
about urban Meyer. But I think it's been do we
know the official day two weeks in a day that

(46:43):
he has been put on that he has been put
on an official, uh leave of absence. I actually yeah.
So anyway, the way this thing is played out is
is is kind of fascinating to follow. I think it's
longer than two weeks in a day that he's been
on a leave of absence. I think it's two weeks
in a day since they announced that they were going
to to do the investigation. Correct, Yeah, that's what I

(47:05):
was talking about. But yeah, that he's been like I
mean sixteen or seventeen days. I think that he has
been on a leave of absence now. So uh, the
story continues to kind of evolve. And and if you're
if you haven't been paying a lot of attention to this,
and maybe some of you haven't out there, uh urban
Meyer lied about what he knew surrounding his wide Receivers

(47:28):
coach uh and and it issues of domestic violence. But
the wide receivers coach, Zack Smith, it's continued to become
an uglier and uglier situation. And on Friday, Brett McMurphy,
who used to be at ESPN and initially broke this
story and he's been on with us and now he
works at stadium UH released a released a report about

(47:50):
all sorts of I would say scandalous related details surrounding
Zack Smith. Among those details that Zack Smith had been
ordering over two thousand dollars was the report I believe
worth of sex toys to the UH, and he had
those sex toys shipped to himself at his at his

(48:11):
Ohio State office. He also had been having an affair
with a subordinate in the Ohio State Football Office and
had recorded himself, according to the report UH, having sex
with this subordinate on video and also with photos UH
inside of the Ohio State Football Complex. When Ohio State

(48:33):
visited the UH the White House to celebrate their two
thousand and fourteen I believe it was national championship. According
to the story, Zack Smith went into a bathroom in
the White House and took pictures of his penis in
which is crazy UH with the United States presidential seal

(48:57):
on a towel beside his penis. It's date stamped who
wouldn't do that, though? Who wouldn't? Can you imagine? This
is maybe the most dude thing imaginable. Are there women
out there that would legitimately like to get this a is?
Let's open up the phone line women only. Let's see
what's gonna happen here. We may have to worry about FCC. River. Well,

(49:22):
if a man visited the White House and sent you
a picture of his penis from inside the White House?
Would you be impressed? Female callers only? Eight seven seven
six six three six nine. Is there a woman right
now listening to us who would be like, Oh, that's

(49:42):
that's the kind of man I want to be with,
the kind of man who visits the White House and
decides to take a picture of his penis for me
inside the White House? Eight seven seven nine six three
six nine. Danny G. I don't know if we can
pull this off, but we there's actually an Amazon roster
of some of the things that were purchased. Do you
believe that you can read these without FCC violation? I

(50:05):
think so, just in case, Roberto, do you have the
beat ready? Okay? Good? All right? What did he order? Okay?
So he ordered a men spider enhancer thong, triple cockadoodle,
doodle ring, I don't even know. I let me pause
you here. I read this list of all the things

(50:25):
he'd ordered, and I I am, I am I crazy
here or I have no idea what these are. I
I feel like I am a normal guy situation here right.
At no point in time have I ever thought about
ordering a penis related sex toy for myself. I feel
like lots of guys out there listening, the vast, mad,

(50:46):
vast majority of guys out there listening look at porn
and may have paid for porn at some point in
their life. Right, So I will include within porn like
you've ordered a movie in a in a hotel, you
have back in the day boughted DVD, uh, maybe you're
maybe you've paid for something on the internet, or you
bought a magazine from a from a gas station or

(51:09):
you or you let's see what else could you have
spent money? Maybe you've been out to a strip club
and you've given money to a stripper before. Right, I
would say that a huge majority of adult men that
are listening to this show right now will have paid
for pornography. What percentage of men listening to our show.

(51:29):
Do you think have bought and continue with this list?
Have bought one of these types of sex toys? Like
it's much more, very like these these cockadoodle do related products,
and these are not even products for women. These are
like male enhancement. Probably I don't even know what these

(51:50):
things do, is what I like? Continue? Okay, Yeah, I'm
I'm not in the know on this either. I'm gonna
try to read them and I might be saying it wrong.
Let me continue here, body where CS two metallic erotic
cocka doodle do strap, golden snake skin, golden and snake
skin or golden snake skin gold and he bought both?

(52:13):
Or is that like a combo the gold and the
snake skin. It's a good question for a cocka doodle
do ring if you were out there. Do you think
the gold it's kind of like an Egyptian look, I guess,
or good snake skin. Maybe the golden snake skin is
a combo because of the way it's written golden snake
skin together. So that's very classy, all right? Then A

(52:35):
wild man teaball lifter, red candy man men's jock suspenders.
This is like I did, I did see I I
there pictures in Brett McMurphy's article the what did you
say that suspenders? Yeah, they're candy Man men's jock suspenders,
jock suspenders. What I saw the picture of this and

(52:57):
uh in the Brett McMurphy story. And this is like
if you remember the movie Barratt Borat back in the
day when he went out on the beach wearing the
um uh, like the the neon green bathing suit that
I had, Like, that's what that looks like. Okay, I
can't imagine there being a woman, by the way, who
would see a man and that would be like, I

(53:18):
want to have sex with that guy. But continue petite
que open slit bikini brief and Studio Pro product tabletop
photography lighting kit. I mean I chose that for I
think it's for him. So he's petite then no, I
mean I think that's the brand. I think that's the brand. Yeah,

(53:39):
I don't know. I haven't seen the penis picture, so
I don't know. Um is that the Is that the
full list of product that we have? All right? So
he got it shipped to his office at Ohio State.
The shipping of the sex toys thousands of dollars and
sex toys to your employee's office. I think is not

(54:02):
a smart move. But I don't necessarily think that's a
a major like fire able offense. I think it's not smart.
I wouldn't be happy if I were his employer, if
I were Urban Meyer and suddenly one of these things
got broken open. But let's assume that he's working crazy hours.
I think the reason why you got it shipped honestly

(54:22):
to Ohio State was to hide it from his wife
because he didn't want her to know what he was buying.
But I'm willing to give a pass, even though I
think it's questionable, Like would you guys, This is a
good question, do you guys? I work from home, so
I have a home address, so everything I get shipped here.
Would you guys feel comfortable ordering sex toys to the

(54:43):
Fox Sports radio studios your name? Would you do that?
And there's some animals upstairs who go through our mail
and open it up, and there's stuff that comes down
here sometimes and it's retaped. So can you imagine the
mail room upstairs here in Sherman Oaks, California. So you
would never order any of this stuff too, because you

(55:03):
would be afraid that like that you could get get
caught with it or something like that. You do not
blank where you eat? Okay, So I'm I'm let's open
up the phone lines. Eight seven seven nine nine six
six three six nine. I'm gonna tell you why as
we continue to unpack this story, I think substantial portions
of it are relevant. But I want to get everybody's
reaction here. First question, well, I already put it out there. Women,

(55:25):
only if a man takes a picture of his penis
at the White House and sends it to you, is
that impressive or not? Okay? Second question, would you order
sex toys and have them shipped to your workplace? Uh?
And then any other? And then I'm gonna dive into
the actual legalities here, and I will give you that

(55:48):
on the flip side. So if you have questions about
this from a legal perspective, how does this play into
the story, Why does this matter? All of those things,
I will dive in. We're gonna open up the phone lines.
We're gonna have our fingers poised on the dump button.
Given the given the subject matter here, eight seven seven
nine six three six nine, the Ohio State scandal went

(56:10):
in a Wilder direction. On Friday. Friday afternoon, Brett McMurphy,
who will join us an hour three, reports on Zach
Smith ordering thousands of dollars worth of sex toys to
his UH and having it sent to the Ohio State
Office allegedly having UH and uh an Fair with a

(56:30):
subordinate and having sex with her inside of the Ohio
State football offices. Multiple pictures. He's been taking video evidently
of that sexual relationship inside of Ohio States football offices.
Pictures of them having sex like George Costanza back in
the day. Do you remember the was that wrong? We
maybe need to grab that clip to when George had

(56:51):
sex with the cleaning lady if you don't remember. On
Seinfeld and then when his boss confronted him, he said,
was that wrong? Is that was Zack Smith and UH
is doing with Urban Meyer? And then also the UH
the report that is out there UH surrounding Zack Smith
about why this in theory could be relevant about the
White House photos and everything else from a legal perspective,

(57:14):
we will unpack it. We will also take your calls
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about the latest turn in the Ohio State absurdity. Zack
Smith thousands of dollars in sex toy ship to the
Ohio State football offices, has an affair UH and UH

(57:57):
sexual relationship with a former staffer at Ohio State. He
has sex with her in the in the offices um
of the football complex, takes pictures UH. He also, according
to Brett McMurphy's story in Stadium, takes a picture of
his penis at the White House and then UH sends

(58:18):
it out to someone I guess who was maybe impressed.
I don't know. Eight seven seven six three six nine.
We're taking your calls, Candice in Ohio. Would you be
impressed if a man sit you a penis picture from
the White House? Okay, first of all full disclosure, I
am a Buckeye Sam, so I'm never ever objective about
my buck ice. However, and I speak fairly confident for

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most women when I say, we are never impressed by
any pictures of any penises, and we really wish you
all would would sending him to us? Would you also,
on top of that, think it was? I mean and
they Isn't this incredibly a weird thing? Like even as
a guy, I think you are at the White House
with your football team being congratulated for winning a national championship.

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Of all of the things that could be happening, this
on the erotic scale is about as far down the
eroticism scale as I can imagine. We're gonna get our
picture taken on the West Portico. Uh, there's Barack Obama
or Donald Trump, it doesn't really matter who the president is.
This is not a very sexy event. Would that be

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fair to say? Like? In general, yeah, so the people
taking these pictures and sending them often really should not
because they're nothing to brag about. That's the general rule.
When we get these pictures, were like, really you thought
that was worth sending up? What do you? You're an
Ohio State fan? Do you think this is uh? Does

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this impact the story in any way in your mind?
Here's where I'm torn, and I've struggled here to be
objective because i know I'm biased. I love I don't
have enough information about what urban Meyer knew, if he
followed through, if he passed it up the line as
he's required to do. I hope to God he did

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everything necessary because I'm not gonna lie. I want him back.
He's a great coach. However, if he had any knowledge
and he did not do what he is morally, ethically
and legally responsible to do, I am a domestic violence survivor,
I'm going to be pretty tissed and there needs to
be repercussion. Now does that include firing? I don't know.

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I don't know what all is in his contract. Yeah, well,
thank you for surviving and calling in. I mean, obviously
a lot of range in that call, but I do
think that's a reasonable Buckeye fan call, right, I mean,
I think when you listen to it from the the
analysis is what did urban Meyer know here? And we're

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going to continue to take your calls. We've got a
bunch of people waiting eight seven, seven, nine, six three
six nine. Here's where I would say it matters from
a legal suspective. Let me put on my lawyer hat here.
I think all of this evidence that continues to come
out about Zack Smith what former wide receivers coach at
Ohio State. One. He's arrested for domestic violence in two

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thousand nine on his pregnant wife, and the pregnant wife,
Courtney Smith, is persuaded not to pursue domestic violence charges
against her husband, so she refuses to cooperate. The charges
are dropped and nothing more comes from that two thousand
nine arrest. But urban Meyer and his wife, Shelley are involved.

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They counseled the couple. He's aware of what's going on
in that story, Okay, So that happens. Secondly in two
thousand and UH eleven. At the end of the year,
urban Meyer gets the new job at Ohio State. One
of the first things he does is go hire Zack Smith.
Two thousand thirteen, Zack Smith gets arrested for a d

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u I. He and his attorney claimed that urban Meyer
never knew about it. They play it down and there
is a time in period when Zack Smith is not
allowed to drive, which for a recruiter, you would think
would be a pretty significant issue, but urban Meyer either
allowed that to pass or didn't know about it. Two
thousand fifteen, your wife gets texted pictures from Courtney Smith

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alleging that these are issues of domestic violence. This is
something that her husband has done to beat her up.
She has a conversation with urban Meyer about it. All.
During this process, Zack Smith is having a affair with
at least one woman who works in the Ohio State offices.

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He's having sex with her there. He's taking photographs. He's
going to the White House and taking pictures of his
penis inside the White House. When you're there on a
team visit. There are a lot of major warning signs
that are flashing, that are saying, don't keep this guy employed. Right,
I don't even care at this point what your profession is.

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All of these different things are flashing. He gets thousands
of dollars and sex toys sent to the to the
Ohio State Football Complex. All of these different things I
would say are negative and uh, not ideal for an
employee to be doing. And I think it gets harder
and harder to understand why urban Meyer kept this guy employed.

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I just think it is inconceivably difficult when you look
at all these different points of evidence to figure out
how urban Meyer kept Zack Smith employed. And remember he
kept him employed until eighteen, and he lied about what
he knew in this story. So I think the idea

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that urban Meyer knew nothing is out the window. That
was what Ohio State fans wanted us to initially believe
three weeks ago or a month ago almost now, when
this story first broke. Let's take some of your calls.
Zell in Virginia. What's up, Denzel? I love the show.
Just let me know appreciate it. I was laughing about

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all the money that he spent, all the stuff, the
time that he took to order and ship it to
that one place. I was thinking I would never do it.
I could never like ship it to my office because
I know any of my friends found out, they will
clown me. But as well as if I was done

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that as a prank on my boss, I would be like, Okay,
that'll be a funny plant. But this is something he
was dead serious about his I would have been had
to let him, have been had to let him go
because it looks bad. Yeah, I appreciate the call. I
I do think getting all that stuff shipped to your
I mean we I I work from home, so everything
I get shipped, if I ordered at Amazon or wherever else,

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I have to get it shipped to my house. So
that's not a surprise. Uh so anything that I ordered,
but I thought it was interesting. We went to the
guys in l A and they're like, no, God, no,
we would never order this and have it shipped to UH,
to our office. I mean it's just a series of
I think, risky decisions that have all now kind of
caught up with Zach Smith, Ebby and Louisiana. What's up, Ebby,

(01:05:15):
I'm just calling to UH. I want to know what
kind of six toys with a man order. That's what
I said when I saw this. Thousands of dollars and
sex toys. I don't even understand exactly because again I
think the vast we ran through the list and I
don't know exactly what they are. They're like cockadoodle rings.

(01:05:37):
I mean, I don't even know what you do with
all this stuff, um, but and and gear that you
would wear like I, I I don't know exactly all all
of this stuff, but to me, I mean again, like
all of this decision making, I only bring in the crew,
all right, Let me bring in the crew in l
A and you guys can weigh in. We'll get an
update here from Eddie Garcia here in a second eight

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seven seven nine nine six six three six nine. Do
you guys, I'll start with you, Danny G. When this
story broke, does this make you think that uh that
that this is even bigger of a mess for Ohio State? Like,
what was your reaction when you saw this story? Just
that this guy is as creepy as we thought that

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that you know, at first you wondered if both sides
of the story we're being told, And obviously we we
want to believe the woman's side of the story first
and foremost, as we should. But then certain things started
coming out about him and his character and and things
that maybe we're trying to be swept under the rug.

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And more and more came out about what a d
bag he is or was, And now this comes out,
and it it definitely shows you how doochy he is.
Let me bring in Eddie Garcia and then we'll take
more of your calls. So we've got people continuing to
roll in eight, seven, seven, six, three, six nine. We're
gonna talk to Brett McMurphy an our three. He's broken

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pretty much every bit of these stories. What's you got
for me, Eddie? All right, let's give you a guy
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the Braves for to two. Cardinal sweeps Atlanta, but there's
still a half game back of Arizona and that NL
West race. Rockies are also tied with Milwaukee and Philadelphia
for the two wild card spots in the National League.
Philly is lost to the Mets eight to Philadelphia is
still a half game back of Atlanta for the NL
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figuring out which way is easier, I think for a
lot of people. Um, let me go to Billy in
New York and then I'll tell you a little bit
more on the legal side. Billy, what you got for me? Well,
he must have dropped really quick, though. Clay Ebby said
that he had one more question that he really wanted
to ask you badly. All right, there's no telling where
this is gonna go. What you got for me, Ebby, Yes,

(01:08:43):
I wanted. I think, uh McMurphy needs to be investigator
for what cos I think all of this stuff that
he's doing, Man, he might have something going on with
ms Smith. How do you think he's getting all this information,
all these pictures and stuff. Is she's not giving the toll? Yeah?
I I again, I mean, I get it's a funny question,

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it's a it's a hot taken deep. I mean, I think, um,
there's been a lot of focus and I'll ask Brett
about this again when he comes on with us an
hour three about the methods by which he is reporting.
But so far everything that he has reported has been
on the record and been proven to be a hundred
percent sourced. So I think focusing on and I understand

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that there's a lot of people out there who I
hope Ohio State fans, and they get distracted and like
they end up like, well why is he writing this story? Well,
where who is this source? And all these different things.
Those questions are to me like second Dairy and third
level questions. The questions that are important are are these
accusations and arrests and the records and everything else accurate?

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And everything about this so far has been accurate. And
I just think there's so much smoke at this point.
There is so much smoke at this point. It's hard
for you to argue that urban Meyer shouldn't have been
aware that Zack Smith was a dangerous employee, for him
to him to for him to be connecting his program

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to write like like just run through. Arrested for domestic violence,
arrested for d U I UH, sending picks from Can
I even say that? I think I can say? Can
I say that? Do we have to drop me? I
don't know. Unfortunately we had to drop that. We had
to drop that. Uh. Penis, I can say Penis picks,
Sending Penis picks out of the out of the White

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House while he is UH in visiting the President because
they won a national championship. Sending thousands of dollars in
sex related toys to the Ohio State Football Complex, UH
and having its shipped to him there, having an affair
with a woman who was on the Ohio State football staff,

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allegedly send having photos sent from his wife to your
wife of domestic violence going on. All of these things,
any one of these things, if you knew about them,
standing alone, would probably get the vast majority of you
out there listening to me right now fired from your jobs.
When you look at all of these things coming together

(01:11:20):
in uh in bunches here, why in the world was
Zach Smith still employed? What was urban Meyer thinking? Usually,
when you make millions of dollars, you get paid based
on your ability and your judgment for your ability to
handle and make stressful situations. Urban Meyer's judgment fell on

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failed on every level here. And I just think when
you look at all these specifics, the only reason that
Ohio State fans can point to for why urban Meyer
kept Zack Smith employed was because he's Earl Bruce's grandson.
Is that reason enough for a person to remain employed

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despite all of this scandal associated with him. I just
don't see it. I don't see how remotely urban Meyer
made the decision to keep this guy employed again. I'll
take your call. At the end of our two, our three,
we will go to Brett McMurphy. I'll ask him some
of these questions myself. Uh He's scheduled to join us
at eight twenty eastern h that is five twenty on

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the Pacific time zone eight seven seven six three six nine.
In the meantime, UH final segment Our two up next,
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and the I Heart Radio app. UH the sending picks
from Can I even say that? Welcome back? G go
out Kick Studios. Dick Cheney picks from the White House.
There you go. It's so ridiculous these FCC restrictions. Is
there anybody out there? It's gonna be like, oh my god,
I can't believe, Lay Travis said. Dick Cheney picks, Well,

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who knows? Uh taking your calls eight seven seven nine.
We're gonna talk to Bebi Murphy an hour three about
the latest report he had from Stadium Sports surrounding the
Zacks Smith mess. Let's go to Matt in Kentucky. What's up? Matt? So,
you know in Kentucky basketball king and we got Kyle
Perry and what was Patino and constant scandals, And I

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look at it from a recruiting standpoint, Um, everybody here was.
I always said, if you know, you know, regardless of
you know what your assistant coaches are doing, you're ultimately responsible.
You know. That's always a big talk. We get here,
and you know, especially when you get to Patino and uh,
the stripper scandal and you know all his you know,

(01:13:48):
he has the the dB label on him to kind
of like what Zack Smith has now. Um, but it's
if you're running your program, It's not whether you know,
it's whether you're possible for your people or not. You know,
And from a recruiting standpoint, we're quick to judge us out.
He should have known. But we get to this situation
we're like, yeah, what's wait and see what he knows?

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I just think it's you know, thanks, how bad do
you want to keep your coat? Yeah? Look, I mean
I think if urban Meyer was a five coach, you
would have already been fired. He's been on leave of
absence now for nineteen days, and there continues to be
this drip drip of allegations and I think a lot
of people out there, I think it's fair to say, Look,
you're making seven million dollars a year, you have a

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coach arrested for domestic violence. You have a coach arrested
for d u I, you have a coach having an
affair and taking videos and having sex with a subordinate
in your office. Is he's sending thousands of dollars in
sex toys. He sends pictures of alleged domestic violence his wife,
sends pictures of alleged domestic violence to your wife. Uh,
all of these things adding up. He's taking pictures of

(01:14:52):
his penis in the in the White House, in the bathroom.
At what point do you just ask, how in the
world urban Meyer making the decision to maintain this guy's employment.
And I do think all of this, you know, the
drip drip of constant allegations makes it harder and harder
for you to believe that urban Meyer, who runs his
program with maniacal focus, was not aware of some of

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these things going on. I just think it's very hard
to say, oh, urban Meyer didn't know. And on top
of that, I even have it more ridiculous. From my perspective,
how do you no point intended there with the use
of the word ridiculous. By the way, how in the
world do you make the decision to to why about
this on top of everything else? And why are you

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keeping this guy employed? Miranda in Knoxville, What you got
for me? Good morning? I know that you've been on
lockdown for a quiet number of years, but yes, just
sending these types of photos to women, single or not, Um,
it's pretty mainstream. UM. And actually I've noticed over the

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last little bit between my friends Roof and I it's
kind of become like the power moves, like, guess where
the photo is going to come from next? So, in
reference to sending the photo with the seal of the
White House, UM, next to your Dick Cheney, if you will, UM,

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I would say probably ranks pretty high up there in
the hall of fame of Dick Cheney. So so you
are are you single? Miranda? I am so. If a
guy went in to visit the White House and he's like,
he's going to meet President Obama, President Bush, president president Trump,
whoever it is, if he texted you from the White

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House a picture of his Dick Cheney in the bathroom
alongside the presidential seal, you'd be like, oh, this is
pretty hot. I would We'll say the thing is it
would get a higher number, I'd be like, dang, that's solid,
like nine, like nine point five right, um on the dick,
change the pick scale. You would be like most photos

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because like most recently, that's become a thing. Um. The
last one that I received actually came from a member
of an NFL organization UM that had taken it inside
a team located within the surroundings of Atlanta, Georgia, and
had sent it, which I found very strange. Like I
you know, I didn't really understand like the whole basis

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of that, but I've almost decided it's a power move.
I don't know what kind of animals is it, Like
where the man like does the dance so like attract
the woman. It's become like this like power move, like look,
here's my powerful job and here's my powerful power. You know,
it's like a strange it's like a strange thing. It's
almost like, um, let me show her where I'll what

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I'm working with, and let me show her where I'll work.
It's like it's like a strange thing. I think that
some men have gotten into. So if I worked to
get one from the White House and would be like, dang,
that's like, that's a solid nunced my five. I would say,
all right, let me ask you this, Miranda, what are
the odds that Bill Clinton or JFK would have ever
been elected president if cell phones had existed? You took Actually,

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my next comment was actually going to be, have we
ever in the history of America been more likely to
have an American president that is taking those types of
photos with a presidential seal with his signature around the wouts.
I think though Bill Clinton is a good that's a
really good I hadn't thought about that. That's a good argument,

(01:18:29):
right Bill Clinton. I think I'm gonna stand by our boys. Gone,
big gone. I mean, let's be honest, how many napkins
right at the napkins like in the dining hall. They've
got the seal, they've got all that stuff. He's probably
has his own fetal album. Goodness, goodness, goodness, Miranda, thanks
for the call. Keep the phone on lockdown there. It's

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a good call. She said she would have been more
impressed coming from the White House with Dick Cheney. Pick I,
I don't know this. This whole story to me is
just crazy. Uh And It comes around again to what
is Urban Meyer thinking, Like the Ohio State University has
a coach sending the Dick Cheney picks from the White

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House while he's getting meeting the team. And by the way,
there's pictures of Zack Smith texting while standing there with
the with the team, Like, what is he texting? Maybe
it's maybe it's Dick Cheney picks and wash his hands.
I hope so our three. Brett McMurphy's gonna join us.
This is a messy story. Urban Meyer, day nineteen on

(01:19:38):
leave of absence. Does this factor in? I'll try to
put my lawyer hat on and factor also take your
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(01:19:58):
rate quote lots to get two our three appreciate all
of you joining me across the entirety of the country. Uh.
We started off the show talking about a lot surrounding
the NFL uh preseason poll question that is up right now,
which rookie quarterback who might start this year? Sorry, Lamar
Jackson has been the most impressive to you guys so far,

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Baker Mayfield, Sam Donald, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen in the
order that they were drafted, and that's the order you
guys have ranked them. Baker maybe getting fifty one percent
of your vote, Sam Donald, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen seven percent.
I would go with Sam Donald being the most impressive
because he's actually started. UH. We, however, are continuing to
unpack the story surrounding Ohio State Friday afternoon. Brett McMurphy,

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who will join us in the next segment live here
on out Kick, reports that Zack Smith got thousands of
dollars in sex toys ship to the Ohio State Athletic
Football Complex. That he had an affair with a subordinate
UH while he was employed at Ohio State. That he
took pictures and videos having sex with her inside the

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Ohio State football offices. That when he went to the
White House, he UH took a picture of his dick
cheney and UH and sent it out all over the
place alongside of the presidential seal. All of these UH
reactions and more, we've got loaded lines were taking your
calls on it. What's the legal impact urban Meyer. Now

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nineteen days into his leave of absence, we think we
are going to get a result from the Ohio State
investigation at some point this week. Does this story impact
that in any way? I think potentially the answer is yes.
But we are taking your calls. Let's go around the
country here. Let's start with Leo in Houston. What's up? Leo?

(01:21:50):
Hey Clay, how's it going? First off, six fan, I'm
actually just pulled off to work, pulled up to work
right now, told him maybe a minute that I'm gonna
be on out kick. Um. So basically the point that
I just wanted to hit was just quote unquote investigation
that Ohio State is doing right now? Um, do you
think that it's really an investigation per se or more
of Ohio State pr team looking to see one how

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can we possibly spend this in any way to keep
urban Meyer on staff? And of course, you know, day
by day keeps getting even worse from him with all
these facts coming out about Zack Smith or also too,
are they saying how can we make him go away
without completely upsetting our fan base and also avoiding art
Rile situation? Yeah, Leo, I appreciate the call down in Houston.

(01:22:34):
Fantastic questions. So I think one, let's let's kind of
dive into this investigation. We don't really know what the
investigators are going to do. Are they going to write
up a written or report and make a recommendation to
Ohio State's school president or are they going to do
something similar to what happened at Baylor, which is they're

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going to give an oral presentation of their findings and
then the onus is going to be entirely on the
president to make a determination about what should happen. We
don't know the answer to that question. That's one that
I've been asking from the get go. Okay, what is
this investigation actually intel? And I say, this is a
guy who used to do labor and employment investigations internally,

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to investigate sexual harassment allegations and companies. I would come
in as a lawyer and do these investigations, and I
would write up a written report and say I believe
the man here more likely than not, or I believe
the woman here more likely than not. Because it's always difficult,
people on television like to make it seem simple when
somebody is telling you one thing, and then somebody else

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tells you the exact opposite. I've set across the table
there and I have had a woman say he's been
sexually harassing me. Here's what he's doing. And then I
talked to the guy and he says, all that's completely
made up. And we have this illusion that it's easy
to sit across the table from somebody and tell and
determine whether they're lying or not, or whether the other
person and his lying or not. I'm here to tell

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you I've done that for a living, and it's hard
to tell the difference. People are good at lying. Sometimes
honest people aren't the best witness for themselves, and so
figuring out what's true and what's not. I never had
a guy say, oh, yes, she's right, I sexually harassed
her for the last several years. Everything she told me
is told you is true. Every guy said Nope, not true.

(01:24:23):
Every girl said, yeah, it's true. I never had a
guy accused a woman of sexual harassment, but probably it
would have been the same situation there. It's a he said,
she said, so who is conducting this investigation? Uh? In
terms of actually asking the questions and what are they
actually going to do with the information that they get.

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And the second part of Leo's question, which is a
good one, is Ohio State potentially going to use this
investigation as if they decide to fire urban Meyer, evidence
of why they don't have to pay him forty million dollars?
In other words, the difference between firing him four cause
or without cause. That's a big mots of ball hanging

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out here, because if you decide to fire him for cause,
you have no obligation to pay him the remaining forty
million dollars left on his contract. If you decide to
fire him without cause, you have to fire him and
you have to pay the forty million dollars. Difference between
getting fired because you just don't win enough football games
and getting fired because you violate your contract. Scott in Indianapolis, Scott,

(01:25:29):
what's up and how's it going? I just want to know.
We all know that Zax Smith is a horrible person.
But were these photos sent on the Ohio States cell phone?
Was it his personal cell phone? I don't know how
we can hold hold urban Meyer accountable for these things?

(01:25:49):
Does he open all the packages sentall his employees? Well,
I want to let you know I'm not an Ohio
State fan no, no, no. I think that's a good question.
I think a lot of people are asking that so
good question actually whether he sent this from his university
issued cell phone or not, because that would be, uh
theoretically a more egregious action, Scott. I think the question
for a lot of people out there is not, did

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Urban Meyer now know about this individual specific incident. I
think it's when I say this, when I say, you
know he knows that Zack Smith was arrested for domestic
violence on his pregnant wife, you know that he knows
in two thousand fifteen that Zack Smith's wife sent photos
alleging further domestic violence. We may he may or may
not have known about the d U I. He may

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or may not have known about the affair with the
subordinate in the Ohio State football complex. May or may
not have known about the thousands of dollars and sex
toys that are being shipped Ohio State. May or may
not have known about the Dick Cheney picture that was
taken in the White House. But I think when you
put all of those things together, at a minimum, don't
you think that's enough to fire a guy? Man? That's tough.

(01:26:56):
I just I don't. I don't understand how you can
hold him accountable for these We we know Scott beyond
a shadow of a doubt. We know that he knew
about the two thousand nine arrest for domestic violence and
about the two thousand and fifteen allegations of domestic violence.
I find it hard to believe, Okay, but I find

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it hard to believe as well. And I understand that,
but I find it hard to thank for the call
We're gonna keep taking your cars. I I find it
hard to believe that in the state of Ohio, a
Ohio State assistant football coach can be arrested for a
d u I and the word doesn't get back to
the head coach. It may not go public, But are
you telling me all the people who work in that

(01:27:42):
in that courtroom, and in that police department, who are
die hard Ohio State Buckeye fans, none of them are
able to talk to somebody who the word gets back
to urban Meyer that this guy got arrested for a
d u I. I find that really hard to believe
in this day and age, when it's so difficult to
keep a secret, that somebody wouldn't have informed urban Meyer

(01:28:04):
about the d u I R s now. He can
say he didn't know, and maybe there's not a direct
evidence that he would have known. I find it hard
to believe one of your assistant coaches in the state
of Ohio. It's not like he got a d u
I in uh in Mexico. It's not like he got
a d u I in in Croatia. He got a
d u I not far from the campus mileage wise,

(01:28:24):
inside the state of Ohio, where everybody is obsessed with
the buck eyes, and his judge was an Ohio State
grad and a big booster of Ohio State athletics. You
don't think that judge would have talked to somebody and
been like, hey, guess who's in my courtroom, Zack Smith.
He got a d u I. Everybody would have known
about this, I believe. And if you're having an affair

(01:28:45):
with a subordinate and you're taking pictures inside of that complex,
you know how hard it is to keep a secret
of an affair quiet without even taking photos and videos
of you having sex with her inside the Ohio State
football complex. And then you're sending thousands of dollars worth
of sex toys to Ohio State. You're taking Dick Cheney picks,

(01:29:09):
tweeting him out, I mean, sending him out all over
the place. I just think there's a lot of smoke here.
Any one of those things probably get you fired and
just about any job in America. And we know urb
Meyer knew about the domestic violence. It's why he lied
about it. I wonder what else, why else he's staying quiet?
James and Georgia, what's up? James? Hey, pray love your

(01:29:30):
show man, um my whole take on the situation, man, Um,
I don't fail him man that much, man, because I
feel like, you know, he was looking out for somebody
giving him a second chance, and that guy messed it
up by getting another domestic violence charge well uh reputed
charge against him. And there for Urban Maya, Now I

(01:29:52):
got caught in the cross five behind that, you know,
because he's like I totally get that. But don't you
have your Urban Meyer? And you got this guy who
is a wild card, right, I think it's fair to say,
best case scenario, Zack Smith was a wild card that
you didn't feel that comfortable about. Don't you have to
protect your program and your business from this guy's danger? Yeah?

(01:30:13):
You do, you do, But you you're hoping basifying his
love for the father that the kid made a mistake,
And you gotta think I think Urban Mind and his
wife they were counseling him because they knew the volat
nation of their relitionship. I think him and I think
when when he gave that interview talking about how him
and his wife, you know, they would be fighting, they

(01:30:35):
would you know, be it'll it'll be blamed on both sides.
I think that actually what's the most truthful thing he
probably said. And that's why probably Urban Mind and his wife.
We're trying to counsel him to both of them, explaining
them that, hey, you guys, you're having problems in your relationships.
Y'all can't go to the physical level. You can't get
mad at him because he doesn't answer your call, or
he's out drinking or whatnot, whatnot, you know, doing the

(01:30:58):
stuff he was probably do one, which I think led
to the second thing with his wife. She probably found
out about that affair that he was happening with the
staffer because you like, you just say, you know, it's
hard to keep dating that that quiet for long, and
it probably got back to her and she was like
if you're taking photos of yourself having sex with the
woman you're having an affair with. Hey, I mean, I'm

(01:31:21):
not thanks for thanks. I'm not an expert, thankfully, I've
been married fourteen years in uh in keeping affairs on
the down low. But it seems to me like it
would not be smart if you were having an affair
with a subordinate and your work, that you would take
video and and pictures to prove it. I mean, that

(01:31:42):
seems like the all time dumbest thing you could do
if you were cheating on your wife with a subordinate,
which by the way, is sexual harassment and a major
issue in and of itself because you've got unequal power
positions there, but inside your place of work, to take
photos and video of the two of you sleeping together
seems like a really bad direction to go to, Like

(01:32:05):
a really bad move to make in just like a
most basic level, not a good look. Let's go to
John in Massachusetts. What's up, John? I got the answer
for everything you need here. The reason why they got
things happened for so long is because they were boys.

(01:32:27):
They love to swap pictures back and forth. They guarantee
you he has or the coach has pictures of the
girls he was sleeping with, and he lived vicariously through him.
You mean urban urban. Yes, that's a that's a strong allegation,
but there certainly thanks for the call. I think it's
easier to believe that a married guy can leave live

(01:32:50):
vicariously through the single guy. I guarantee there's a lot
of dudes driving into work this morning who are married
that have guys who are single that they work with.
And the single guys are like, check out this picture
of this chick I'm banging now. I there are tons
of and they and you and you. They may deny it,
there are tons of married guys out there that are

(01:33:10):
living vicariously through single guys. I think the tough the
tough angle there to make the argument that James in
Massachusetts is making is urban Meyer knows this guy is married.
I think it's harder to live vicariously through the married
guy who's cheating on his wife, because then you're just
kind of a douche, right, It's like, Oh, you're married
to this woman, but look at these other people that
I'm banging. Yeah, you know, that's not something I really

(01:33:32):
want to live vicariously through. Yeah, So you're lying every
day and every minute of your life so you can
sleep with somebody else. I think that's harder to brag
about single guy who's on the coaching staff that's twenty
eight years old and it's just running through the town
like a like a hot knife through butter. That definitely
is a conversation that takes place in every coach's office

(01:33:55):
and mary every married guy comes in and they're like, yeah,
my kid, you know, it was teething last night night
I couldn't sleep, And the single dude walks in, He's like, man,
guess what happened to me last night? I had a threesome?
And the very guys like I slept two hours because
my kid was crying all night, and you went out
and picked up two random chicks because you're the wide
receivers coach of insert school here. That's a conversation that

(01:34:17):
is happening in every single football office, in basketball office
where guys are working, probably every office period where guys
are working in America. The single guy gets to run
in and talk about how much how awesome his life is,
even like even if you're working in a in like
like a congressional office. Right now, and you're listening to me.
The guys who have the best lives in the congressional office,

(01:34:39):
the interns, the married guys like they're working eighty hours
a week, they got multiple kids, they're taking care of.
The twenty two year old intern comes in, he's like, hey,
guess what we did last night? And then the stories
are awesome. Everybody sits around there, like, man, I wish
I was still in college. That's interesting, we're talking about this.
I We're gonna get a couple of more your calls here.
I am close to hiring somebody to work for me

(01:35:01):
at out Kick, and I told him an email the
other day. I said, here's the deal. Don't get me
in trouble. You know what I'm talking about here. If
you are, if you employ somebody, I say, look, I
talked for a living. I say controversial things, I write
controversial things. People may decide they don't like me, but
I understand the risk that I take every time I

(01:35:23):
opened my mouth, or every time I write something in
a book, or every time I write something online, or frankly,
every time I talk on television. If people get mad
at what I say, that's fine, but that's me. Do
not get me in trouble. If you are a subordinate
working in my office, that would be my number one

(01:35:44):
rule for hiring. Are you going to get me in trouble?
It's one thing if I have to answer for the
mistakes that I might have to make. Every Boston America
listening to me right now sting into work is thinking
the same thing, like, if I screw up and I
get me in trouble, that's on me. Okay. If you
screw up and you get me in trouble, your ass

(01:36:04):
is fired. Period. I will take the blame for anything
that I do. But if I am paying you to
work for me and make my job easier and better,
and you screw up and you get me in trouble,
you're gone. And that's what I can't understand about Urban
Meyer here. How did he not make that decision? Darren

(01:36:24):
in Ohio? What's up, hey, Clay? First, a big fan
of the Dick Cheney thing. That's kind of funny. Uh. Secondly, Um,
when you were on CNN that one time and you
got chastised by CNN for what you said, is that
people who don't know I said, I'm a big believer
in the First Amendment. In Boobs, and the woman who

(01:36:44):
was hosting there was like, oh my god. It was
like I just stood up and turned around and mooned her.
She couldn't believe I would say that on CNN, and
I thought that was hilarious. But is that something that
your bosses could have fired you for because you embarrassed
the company? Certainly? So? Would that? Would that to where
I'm going from with urban Meyer. If if he knew
that this guy was doing these things and and did

(01:37:07):
not report it, then yes he should be fired without
a doubt. But it looks like at this point he
probably did report it. Um. But here's the deal. Here's
my question for you, Darren. Is it really an excuse
to say I reported it. Urban Meyer makes seven million
dollars a year. His athletic director might make a million

(01:37:29):
dollars a year. Urban Meyer might technically have a boss
in the athletic director of Ohio State. Urban Meyer is
still the boss there. Urban Meyer gets what he wants,
So I'm not willing. This was a big discussion point
when it came to n C double A penalties, because
for so long coaches would say, oh, I didn't know
about that, and they would bury their head in the sand,

(01:37:51):
they'd be like, wait a minute. You had two assistant
coaches delivering bags of cash for recruits, and your claim is, hey,
I didn't know about that, And the n C double
A said ignorance is no longer a defense. You can't
just claim, oh, I didn't know about that when you're
the head coach making seven million dollars a year. We

(01:38:13):
know that urban Meyer knew about an arrest for domestic violence.
We know that urban Meyer knew about in a continuing
domestic violence incident. If urban Meyer wants to say, hey,
he didn't get charged with a crime, I wasn't sure
that it happened, and so I decided I decided not

(01:38:33):
to fire him. I might not agree with that, but
I would at least understand his rationale, because its rationale
could be I don't want to be in the business
of firing people who are kicking football players off my
team for allegations by themselves. He wasn't charged by the
police in and so I kept him that at least

(01:38:57):
is I wish urban Meyer had just said that at
Big ten media Days a month ago, because I think
this story would have been over from urban Meyer's perspective.
But Urban Meyers saying, Hey, I've got an assistant, I've
I told my boss to me. Is not really a
valid defense. I think there are a lot of people
out there right now who think about that, and they say, Yeah,

(01:39:18):
if urban Meyer knew all this stuff and he told
his boss about it and then he made the decision
to continue to employ him, is that really a good defense.
I don't know that it is. Uh, Dan and St. Louis,
what's up, Clay? How are you doing? Listen? I'm not
a fifth attorney, but I did ask you as a lawyer.
If the lady at two thousand nine uh did cooperate

(01:39:41):
with the police for the domestic violence and it was
thrown out of court, how could that be brought up
against him? It's never happened. No, no, no. When you
are arrested for domestic violence, it's not like it never happened.
You may not go to jail, you may not be
on probation. But if I got arrested for the domestic
violence and then my wife decided to uh not cooperate

(01:40:04):
with the police, it would still be on the front
page of the paper, and I might well get fired
from this job merely based on the arrest. The vast,
vast majority of married men in this country do not
get arrested for domestic violence. Many women, because they decided
to stay with the man, end up saying, you know what,
I don't want charges to be pressed, but you know

(01:40:28):
what happened, and I'm not going to cooperate anymore. You
know what happened here. And then it's not just that,
it's also that several years later, this same woman sends
photos to your wife of additional alleged domestic violence. That's
multi year issues that are going on. I just I'm

(01:40:49):
not willing to say, oh, because she decided not to prosecute,
it's like it didn't happen. No, no, no. When you
get arrested for domestic violence, that staying never leaves you,
even if you are innocent. In fact, if you get
arrested for domestic violence, i'd and I didn't do it.
I'd much rather go to court and go and trial
and be proven to be innocent. Then I would be

(01:41:10):
for the charges just to get dropped and my wife
not not uh not be involved. That's when you're a
public figure and you get charged with domestic violence. Think
about this, if tomorrow morning you woke up and Donald
Trump got accused of hitting Malanya. And then the first
lady came out later and said, oh no, no, no,

(01:41:30):
what you know what, I don't want to press charges.
Would you be like, well, the charges didn't get pressed,
or would you be like, we can't have somebody accused
of domestic violence in the White House. Most people would say,
you can't have somebody accused of domestic violence in the
White House. Now maybe you can say you shouldn't be like,
it's unfair, we're judging and based on the accusation. Yeah,

(01:41:52):
I am. If you put if you're the president of
the United States and you put yourself in a position
where your wife has to call the police because you
allegedly hit her, and then she's like, oh no, no,
I take it back. I don't want any charge to
be pressed. You don't get to just to unring that
bell when the police show up for a domestic violence incident.
That record is going to exist and follow you forever,

(01:42:15):
no doubt. All right, up next Bret McMurphy. Uh, he's
gonna talk to us about this latest story. Zack Smith.
What did he do? The sex toys to the office,
the affair with the uh with the intern, uh or sorry,
I'm at the intern to subordinate and uh the the
Dick Cheney picks inside the White House. All that more
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with Stadium Sports. Brett. What's the reaction been like to

(01:44:01):
the latest story on Friday. If you're an Ohio State fan,
you don't like it, and it's you're not an Ohio
State fan and you love it. So again, the main
reason I reported it, I've been asked that question a
lot is you know, Zack Smith was an employee at
Ohio State having sex with the subordinate and the football office.

(01:44:22):
He was taking photos of these acts, you know, nude
photos of himself and the facility, and an official team
function at the White House with the phone he conducts
university business on um. You know, he was having all
these items delivered not to his personal home, but to
his place of employment, a state university that receives both

(01:44:42):
federal and state tax dollars. And I think this goes
towards the lack of credibility this guy has when you
factor all this in with his two thousand nine arrest,
his unreported d u I and what happened in The
woman he had sex with was reassigned to another department

(01:45:03):
in the summer of so apparently she was reprimanded for
what went on, But then he remained a coach at
the Ohio State University. A couple of things I want
to unpack there. So first, of all, this was from
his school issued, taxpayer funded in theory cell phone that
he's taking pictures and of himself in the White House
and also taking photos and videos with a subordinate with Well, yeah, Clay,

(01:45:28):
I mean, I'm sure like your your business now, it's
actually your phone, but your your employer pays for it.
Yea um, But so technically, yes, it is a employee.
It is a Ohio State issued phone, but it's Zack's device,
but they pay for the service. So yes, that that
was That was on an Ohio State University issued phone.

(01:45:51):
All right, And you just said something that I don't
remember seeing in the story, but I think it's kind
of I used to do sexual harassment investigations, so this
is something that I'm in labor and employment law fairly
familiar with. You said that the woman who the subordinate
that he was having an affair with was reassigned and
inside of Ohio State, is she still employed there? What
do you know about what happened in that story? According

(01:46:15):
to Ohio State, she is no longer at the university. However,
her information where her bio is still on the university website.
So I'm getting two different stories again. I I'm not
reporting that you asked me that she was on July twelve.
She left the football office July, and she was then

(01:46:41):
placed in another department at the university, in the athletic department.
UM and so I don't know specifically. The reason why
all Ohio State would tell me was her dates of
employment in the in the different offices she's worked at
in the athletic department. So this is pretty wild, all right.

(01:47:01):
We've got urban Meyer in two thousand nine. He knows
that Zack Smith is arrested for domestic violence. He knows
also that he decides to go hire Zack Smith anyway
at Ohio State, and his wife gets photos of alleged
domestic violence. Around this same time, he's having an affair
with a subordinate. He also is going into the White

(01:47:23):
House and taking pictures of his uh Dick Cheney will
call it inside of White House bathrooms and sharing these
from school cell phones that are being the bills being
paid for by his cell phone by by the cell
phone bills being paid for by the school. What in
the world is urban Meyer thinking? So you have just
reported facts, But when I lay out all those different

(01:47:45):
evidentiary factors here, why in the world that Zack Smith
still employed in twenty eighteen, until you start to report
all of these different incidents, you know, Clay, That's the
number one question I get asked. And if I had
asked Urban, if I could ask Urban two questions, that
would be one of the questions. The other question was
why did you lie about it? At media days? If

(01:48:06):
Urban doesn't lie about this, you know it never turns
into this. And again keep this in mind for Ohio State,
everything that I reported about Zack Smith's passed two thousand nine,
two thousand fifteen, UM, what the Toledo blade they broke
the report about the d U I UM, somebody at

(01:48:29):
Ohio State knew about this information or multiple people at
Ohio State knew about this information. Zack smiths the same
person he as today as he was in two thousand fifteen,
two thousand thirteen, two thousand nine. Ohio State had no
problem with Zach Smith. They never had a problem with
Zach Smith until the information went public and then they

(01:48:50):
fired him. So Ohio State, not only Urban, but Ohio
State needs to answer that question, why were you okay
with Zach Smith? As long as nobody knew about this?
The only reason they got rid of him was because
I reported it and it went public. There was no
more there was no more information, there were no more
charges against Zac. There was a criminal trestpassing charge where

(01:49:12):
he dropped off his kids at his at his wife's house.
Um is that a firing offense? Certainly not. And again
the timeline the day that I reported about two thousand
nine at Florida, fifty minutes after I reported about the
incidents in they fired him. And then the next day
Urban says he doesn't know anything about So it just

(01:49:34):
you wonder why Ohio State does this and ultimately what
will Ohio State do concerning Urban Meyer. I'm sure you're
gonna ask. I have no idea. You know, basically, the
investigators have have compiled all this information and they were
dumping it in the lap of the president and the
board of trustees and then they make their decisions. You
could have to two presidents who could have the same

(01:49:55):
information and make two different decisions. I think ultimately it
boils down to how does Ohio State want to be
perceived as a university and as president. Michael Drake I
want to be viewed as a cheerleader or a leader
when do you think the decision comes down. I don't know.
They by law, they have to provide twenty four hours

(01:50:16):
notice before the before the meeting, So if they're going
to come out with the with the decision, then we'll
have at least twenty four hours notice. Um. Someone else
that I talked to said, there's another scenario if urban
If the decision is to get rid of urban Meyer,
and they go to urban Meyer and and notify him

(01:50:37):
of that, and then he reaches a decision or or
excuse me, he reaches a settlement, then technically they could
just come out and say, here's the release, we've met,
We've reached a settlement with urban Meyer, he's no longer
the coach, and then technically they would not even have
to answer questions about the investigation. If urban Meyer technically

(01:50:57):
stepped down on his own, maybe they still would result
release thee the results of the of the investigation, but
technically I don't know if they would actually have to
so that that's another fascinating aspect of this. Whether he
is suspended, whether he is punished at all, whether he's
whether he's no longer the coach. How much information will

(01:51:18):
the school share that the investigators discovered during this process. Yeah,
that's a fascinating question to me. And we're talking to
Brett McMurphy Stadium Sports. Prior to that ESPN, he's broken
almost all the stories surrounding Urban Myers X Smith in
Ohio State. Appreciate him joining us here, Brett. That the
thing you just hit on because in Baylor and I
talked about this earlier in the show and the Baylor

(01:51:39):
Are Brile's incident, they had an oral report that was
given and there was never a written investigative report I
think even done, or at least that's the allegation that
has been out there that instead they just basically gave
this oral report to the board. Do we think that
we will get a full verdict and uh and and
basically recitation of accent investigatory procedures and and and this

(01:52:03):
report actually released or do we think that Ohio State
is going to try to keep that internal. Well, certainly,
whenever the investigative team was hired, they were told that. UM.
And again I think I wouldn't be surprised if the
president and the Board of Trustees gets an oral presentation. UM.
While everything obviously will will be documents or in writing

(01:52:26):
if you will. UM, as far as the investigators that
there their law law firms, so they're not they can't
give out that information their public records request client attorney privilege,
so they could simply sit there and tell the board
and the president's all the information they have. So therefore
there's no paper trail, it's not a public record. UM.

(01:52:48):
That would be one way to keep all this information
out of the public eye, but Ohio State may had determined, no,
we want we want the findings public. I honestly don't know.
I would think I would argue a university owes it
to their their fan base, the fact that they're receiving
federal and state funds to disclose that to be as

(01:53:09):
transparent as possible. Certainly, Marilyn has said they're going to
be transparent and handling the tragic depth of Jordan McNair
and what goes forward there. But Ohio State has not
been that open about exactly what they're going to disclose. UM.
I wouldn't be surprised if it is like Baylor and
that they just get an oral report and you know,

(01:53:31):
here's our here's our findings, and then that way, none
of this information ever gets out. Brett, I appreciate you
coming on with us so frequently. Is this story has
continued urban Meyer nineteen days now that he's been on
a leave of absence. It's been a long month, I
imagine for you since this story first went public. Can
you believe it's still going on? No, I can't. I

(01:53:52):
just you know, I hope it ends again. You know,
I don't know what's going to happen, but yeah, I
wanted to end, you know, be able to talk about
football the ap Pole. Actually it comes out today at noon. Um,
you know I've already you know, hundred twenty nights fan
basis because I didn't vote them number one. Alabama folks
are the only ones you like my my ballot. So yeah,

(01:54:14):
I I am looking forward to be able to discuss
on the field results instead of off the field shenanigans.
I'm sure we'll be doing both in the years and
montsa Head. I appreciate you joining us. That's Brett McMurphy.
Go follow him on Twitter at Brett Underscore McMurphy. We'll continue,
we'll unpack this Ohio state story for you. That interview
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I thought a couple of different details that came out
from that interview that we're substantial. One we've been asked
that question, was this in Ohio state funded cell phone?
The answer was yes, So Zach Smith, former Ohio state
wide Receivers coach, was to king a picture of his
dick Cheney inside the White House from a state funded

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cell phone. And also when he was having sex with
a subordinate in the Ohio State offices, he was videoing
it and taking pictures of it from that same cell phone. Also,
and this stands out to me as a big detail.
What happened with this subordinate who he had the sexual
relationship with? She was transferred out of the Ohio State

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football offices. Why What did Ohio State and urban Meyer
know about why she was being transferred out? From a
labor and employment law perspective, if you sleep with a
subordinate and then that subordinate is punished for that relationship,
that is potentially a significant, major legal issue. A boss

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can't sleep with an employee and then fire her or
force her to go to another job because of what
he did. What did urban Meyer now know about this?
That's a big deal. That's a big motsa ball hanging
out there. So just refresh this with me right now.
Is this Ohio State investigation is ongoing. You know a

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guy is arrested for domestic violence in two thousand nine,
you still hire him. You know in two thousand fifteen
that his wife has sent photos of alleged domestic abuse
to your wife. You have to notice that suddenly a
woman who works in the Ohio State football offices is
being transferred out. If you're urban Meyer and your maniacally

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focused on every detail, are you telling me that somebody
is getting shifted out of Ohio State's football office and
urban Meyer's not knowing about it and not knowing why
it's happening. She gets shifted into another part of the
Ohio State Athletic department. It sounds like there's a decent
chance urban Meyer might have known about an inappropriate it's

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sexual relationship inside of the Ohio State football complex. Sex
at work George Costanza style, should I not have done that?
Remember when George got caught having sex with the with
the cleaning lady and his first response when his boss
quizh about it was should I not have done that?
Was that wrong? Zack Smith? Sleeping with a subordinate, videoing

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it and taking photos of it inside the Ohio State
football office. And oh, by the way, this guy also
got arrested in for a d u I and he's
taking pictures of his dick Cheney when you're visiting the
White House with your football team. How in the world
was this guy still employed until a month ago? Sex

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with a subordinate at work in the office, arrested for
domestic violence, new photos of domestic violence sent to your wife,
arrested for d u I, sending pictures of his dick
Cheney on the White House visit with the Ohio State
football team. What does this guy know about Ohio State

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that Urban Meyer didn't fire him any one of those things.
I'm not even mentioning sending thousands of dollars of sex
toys to the Ohio State football offices. Any one of
those things for most people at work, and you get fired.
Try sending thousands of dollars of sex toys to your

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office and see what happens if somehow people find out
about that sleep with a subordinate, get a d u I,
get arrested for domestic violence. How many of you would
keep your job with any one of those things happening,
and all of these things occur, and urban Meyer doesn't
fire Zach Smith until it goes public. And Zack Smith's

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white Courtney said, the reason what Zack Smith's said was
that he would bring the whole place down if he
ever got fired. What does he know? Why is urban
Meyer protecting him? Lots of questions here on out Kick
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