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Clay Travis. You're listening to I'll kick the coverage. Thanks
for spending your Tuesday with us. A couple of really
kind of fascinating stories I think at play out there. Um,
we're gonna play you some audio of Mike Vick, a
guy who has certainly had a star crossed NFL career.

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He was on FS one yesterday and he went on
Speak for Yourself with Jason Whitlock and had a lot
of very interesting things to say about why Colin Kaepernick
was not employed. We're also going to talk, by the way,
in the third hour with Jason Whitlock about that interview.
Waking up early on the West Coast to chat with us,
so that should go pretty well. But I want to
start with what's kind of an intriguing story to me,

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which is Kirk Cousins. Everything that surrounds his decision with
the Washington Redskins is to me really illuminating about the
current market for quarterbacks in the NFL. And I want
to start with the with the thesis here that I
think most of you listening to me probably will agree with,
but some of you might push back on. And that
thesis is this, there has never been any position in

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team sports that matters as much as quarterback in the
NFL does right now, and every year the quarterback position
matters more and more, and as a result, there is
a great deal of fear and discomfort at the idea
that any team might lose a top twelve or thirteen

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caliber quarterback. Now, I believe that Kirk Cousins is one
of the top thirteen ish quarterbacks. And if you have
what I would say is a definite top half quarterback,
you never see those guys hit the open market as
free agents. And I want to give you a couple
of examples. I believe I'm correct in this. The only
guys that have won Super Bowls and have been free

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agents at any point in their career where they were
already proven as top quarterbacks. All right, think about that again,
that's a that's a little bit of a loaded phrase.
But what I'm saying is there has not been any
situation where a guy has been a free agent and
been a Super Bowl winning quarterback where he has been healthy.

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Ever now, There's been guys at the tail end of
their careers. Brett Farve, right, thirty seven, thirty eight years old,
whatever Brett Farve was when the Green Bay Packers finally
let him go, but he never won another Super Bowl.
The only two guys that have, I believe, left and
been free agents and signed with new teams and one

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Super Bowls are Drew Brees with the Saints and Peyton
Manning with the Denver Broncos. And what both of those
guys had in common was they had severe health issues
that many people believed We're not going to allow them
to continue to play quarterback in the NFL. Notwithstanding that fact,

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both de Brees, who's gonna be a first ballot Hall
of Famer and may end up holding so many of
the NFL quarterback and records, and Manning still found an
interesting market, but it's not like everybody on earth tried
to sign them. In fact, if you want to play,
what would have happened if I long have thought that
the most intriguing free agent decision that has impacted both

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the NFL and college football was the Maami Dolphin decision
to sign Dante Culpepper over Drew Brees when Nick Saban
was the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. I've I've
tossed this out as a hypothesis before. I believe if
the Miami Dolphins had signed to Drew Brees instead of
Dante a Pepper, and everybody wants to blame the Miami

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Dolphin team physician who said that Dante Culpepper's injury was
better and more likely to recover. He was more likely
to recover from that than Drew Brees was from his
shoulder injury. That Nick Saban never goes to Alabama and
therefore remains, maybe even now still the head coach of
the Miami Dolphins. Now, if you're listening in Miami, you
probably just want to drive your head into the steering
wheel over and over again, because I think that would

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have meant that Drew Brees and the Miami Dolphins and
Nick Saban would have won multiple Super Bowls. And it
changes everything in the NFL too, because can you imagine
if the New England Patriots and Tom Brady had a
bona fide, legitimate rival in the a f C East.
I mean that changes everything about the the trajectory of

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the NFL, changes everything about Brady and Belichick. Remember when
Saban and Belichick went head to head, it was Saban
used to be the defensive protege of Bill Belichick. They
went two and two head to head in the four
games that Nick Saban coached against Bill Belich when he
was the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. If there
was an a FC East rival for the Patriots, how
much different would that make the Belichick Brady legacy to

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have to go up against the top coaching candidate and
top quarterback in their own division? And how much different
would college football look if Nick Saban had never gone
to Alabama. I give you an easy thought here for
college football. Les Miles would be one of the greatest
college football coaches of all time. If the Miami Dolphins
had signed Drew Brees he'd have at least two, maybe

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three national championships at l s U. He's only got one.
And his team that was helmed up by Tyrone Matthew
that he had Jared Lee and then Jordan Jefferson his quarterbacks.
The one that Alabama won in the All SECBCS title game.
That team probably goes fourteen and oh and most people

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would consider it to be the greatest college football team
of the last fifteen or twenty years if they had
gone fourteen and and won that title. Just worth thinking
about a little bit. I've circled around with that story
because to me, it's emblematic of the difficulty that exists
when it comes to quarterbacks in the NFL. They never

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ever reached the open market. Now, I'm sorry for Washington
Redskins fans, for everybody out there who is had to
deal with everything in the drama that surrounds Dan Snyder.
But I gotta give credit here to Kirk Cousins, who
has played this so masterfully that he at the end
of this season is going to be an unrestricted free agent.

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And I just said he's a top twelve or thirteen
quarterback in the NFL. It could be that I'm underrating him.
Could be that Kirk Cousins is clearly a top ten guy,
and that when he had great receivers to throw too,
and wasn't in a dysfunctional relationship like he was in Washington,
that there's no telling how well he would have played.
But to me, this is a pretty remarkable story to

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have an NFL free agent quarterback who's one of the
t top twelve or thirteen in in the NFL at
this position going to the market theoretically as a healthy
guy who believes he can win a Super Bowl before
his career is over. Again, you think about, say the
NFL compared to the NBA. I think the biggest difference
in the NFL n b A is that players dictate

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everything in the NBA, and that players at a high
level are often free agents and willing to switch teams,
whether it's Kevin Durant Lebron James. We just saw with
with everything that surrounded NBA free agency this past year,
Gordon Hayward makes the move, Chris Paul makes the move.
I mean, guys who were top echelon players are regularly

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moving around in the NBA. Almost never happens in the NFL.
We have no idea what a top quarterback on an
open free agent market would actually get paid. What would
Aaron Rodgers make if tomorrow he was a free agent.
We have no idea because the only two free agent
quarterbacks who have ever one Super Bowls that we have

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seen are Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. Now, people out
there may be saying, what about Kurt Warner, Well, Kurt
Warners a little bit of a different story, right, Kurt
Warner came out of nowhere. He's stocking the grocery aisles
in Iowa and playing arena league football and steps in
when Trent Green gets hurt, and then he ends up
winning a Super Bowl. But I would say that's more

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of an undiscovered diamond in the rough. That's not the
same thing. It's It's like when Brady stepped in and
took over for Drew Bledsoe and nobody had any idea
was gonna happen or how good he was gonna be. Honestly,
it's a little bit like what happened with Kirk Cousins
when he came in as the fourth round pick. R
G three was the overall number two pick that the
Redskins gave up so much for and then Cousins ends

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up being the star. Remember when that was controversial. I
don't hear anybody arguing r G three is better than
Kirk Cousins now, but that would have been a really
aggressive argument to make just a few years ago. So
there really isn't a good test case of what a
top three age quarterback is gonna be like on the
NFL open market. And how does that complicate the decision

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making of a lot of teams that don't have quarterbacks.
If you are the Jets, if you are the San
Francisco forty Niners, if you are the Cleveland Browns. I
think this ties in with the Colin Kaepernick situation because
I think a lot of teams are out there saying,
you know what, we've got two options. We want to
suck this year, and we got a pretty good quarterback
class coming out in the spring of next year, right.

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I think there are a lot of teams saying, we
believe Sam Donald's gonna come out. He's the overall Heisman
Trophy favorite. We think Sam Donald is the next Andrew Luck. Now,
could that be wrong, certainly, certainly could be wrong. But
I said a couple of years ago. Uh. Last year,
when I was watching Sam Donald play, I said, my god,
this guy is Andrew luck Rean Karnate, and we'll see
whether or not he can play in his red shirt

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sophomore year in a way that reflects that. But in
the Rose Bowl come back against Penn State, the guy
made throws that, frankly, a red shirt freshman quarterback should
not be made. King He made NFL caliber throws and
what I loved about him was how stone cold of
an assassin he was right after So to me, the
story that blew up yesterday is you may not think

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Kirk Cousins is great, but we're gonna see something that
we never see in the NFL compared to the NBA,
which is one of the best quarterbacks in the league.
At the end of this year going on the market
as a free agent. How much money does he get,
what's he gonna be worth? All of those things to
me are utterly fascinating breakdown. I'll talk with the guys
next about who how they think Kirk Cousins ranks as quarterbacks.

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Were also gonna play you some audio. The Colin Kaepernick
story will not die. He continues to not be signed
and Mike Vix had some really interesting comments to make
yesterday on Speak for Yourself. We're gonna play those for
you when we come back out of this break. If
you haven't heard him yet, I think you're gonna be like, Wow,
this is kind of fascinating. I'm gonna open up the
phone lines and let you guys react as well. Eight seven, seven, six,

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at the end of the show. May be able to
get to it a little bit earlier in this show

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for people who didn't get a chance to weigh in
on that. But up next, we're gonna play you the
audio of Michael Vick from Speak for Yourself on FS
one discussing Colin Kaepernick. Pretty fascinating stuff. I'm Clay Travis.
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us back like the nighties. Um. So, we talked about
Kirk Cousins and the potential that we're gonna have for
the first time, really ever, a NFL quarterback who is
in his prime that many people believe could win a

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Super You may think I'm crazy for saying that Kirk
Cousins could win a Super Bowl, but I believe that's true.
Hitting the free agent market, what's his value? And it's
interesting because we've got a quarterback who is on the
free agent market that has gotten a ton of attention,
and that guy is not r G three. Who is
the guy that battled Kirk Cousins for years to be
the starting quarterback in Washington? It is it's kind of

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fascinating to ask that question, and I've asked it before.
Why does nobody care about RG three not having a
job and everybody is obsessed with Colin Kaepernick not having
a job. Well, yesterday Mike Vick went on FS one
and he went on Jason Whitlock show, and again we
have Whitlock on the show probably I don't know what,
at least once a month on average. I would say

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since we started this show, He's gonna be on with
us an hour three today. So if you enjoy our conversations,
i'd encourage you to to make sure that you download
the podcast or maybe find a way to duck out
of work around eight fifteen Eastern and listen to that conversation.
But he was on Michael Vick was with Jason Whitlock yes. Today.
They had a conversation about what Colin Kaepernick needed to do,

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and Vic said some things that many perceived to be controversial.
I want you to listen to them, and then let's
unpack his commentary. First thing we've got to get caught
in to do is cut his head, you know what
I mean. Listen, I'm not up here to try to
be politically correct. But you know, even if he puts
corn rows and I don't think he should represent himself,

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you know, in that way in terms of you know,
just a half style, just go clean cut. You know,
why not? You know, you're already dealing with a lot,
a lot of controversy surrounding this issue. You know, just
try to be presentable. That is a lot of people
are gonna say whoa you know, because you're talking about
Colin Kaepernick, who has a pretty pronounced afro and has
kept it as an afro on the sidelines very frequently

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during the game. I want to bring in the crew
and go around the horn and get their opinion on this.
You can also weigh in at eight seven seven, six
three six nine, but I'll start with me. And look,
I'm not half white and half black like Colin Kaepernick.
I'm not an NFL quarterback. But I do think that
hair sends an important message in our society today, whether

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you want to believe it or not. I'll give you
an example in my own life. When I was in
high school, I had a hair that went all the
way down to my shoulders, and uh, my dad was
not happy about it. I wanted me to get a haircut.
I mean, I think that is a common perception of
a lot of dad's if their sons have long hair. Certainly,
during the Vietnam War, when you wore your hair long,

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or you wore an afro, you were sending a message
about not being a part of mainstream society. I'll give
you another example. When I was twenty two or twenty three,
I guess I started to have a beard. And when
you're twenty three, so I'm thirty eight now, this is
about fifteen years ago. For those of you who are
old enough to remember this, hardly any guys had beards.

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Like the only people who had beards fifteen years ago
were seventy year old college professors wearing tweed jackets and
smoking pipes. Nobody had to be year in America. And
when I started to practice law, I the first year
I people said, man, you know, when you're doing your interviews,
you should shave your beard because you're sending a message

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that's different than what lawyers want to send. You want
to be clean cut, you want to have your hair short.
You know, you don't want to do anything in your
personal appearance that would be considered controversial when you're trying
to get a big law job. That's what I was told. Uh.
This is also the same, by the way, advice that
politicians get. You look in the United States Senate, for instance,

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you know there's I don't think there's a single bearded
Senate member. I don't think we've had a bearded president
since back in the eighteen hundreds. I believe I'm correct
about that. I have to go back and look. One
of you guys can pull up the list of all
the presidents. So your personal appearance in situations like these
does matter, I think, especially when you are otherwise controversial.

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I don't think very many people would say it. I
think if a white guy says it about a black
guy like Colin Kaepernick, he gets a meeting at Lee
branded a racist. But I think what Michael Vick said
in that later discussion, he said, also, look, I'm just
being straight up. This is what I would tell him
if we set down face to face. Obviously, Vic has
had not a stirling past all the time either. He

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served time in Fort Leavenworth for the dog fighting conviction.
He came back redeemed his NFL career, signed two different
hundred million dollar contracts, one with the Falcons and I
believe the other with the Eagles. And I think now,
when you watch Michael Vick and he said this in
the interview, and I thought it was it was really
very compelling content to watch. Again, you can go watch

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that clip on Speak for yourself in a greater detail.
He talked for you know, ten minutes fifteen minutes on
the show, and I always hate sometimes to pull things
out of context, so I thought Vic had a lot
of very interesting things to say. But this story has
already started to blow up online. I think today it's
gonna get a lot of attention because there aren't, frankly,
that many big sports stories out there. And I want

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to bring in the crew, Jason Martin, fair or foul
in your mind for Michael Vick to go that direction
and say the first thing, the first bit of advice
that he would give Colin Kaepernick, because that he needs
to cut his hair. I mean, I think it's interesting,
but I think any advice coming from Michael Vick's probably
something that somebody like Colin Kaepernick should probably he because
Michael Vick understood how public opinion changed um after what

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happened to him, and with Kaepernick having so many red
flags now in the eyes of so many owners and
so many fans of the NFL, anything he could do
to mitigate, even if it's esthetic and means absolutely nothing,
wouldn't hurt quite frankly. And the last thing we heard
from Colin Kaepernick was him going after America on July
four because of when after I was for that. But

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when you travel to Africa and say that you're not
going to celebrate July fourth because America hates you, basically, Um,
you know that's not the statement of somebody who's trying
to get a job. No, it's it's definitely not. And
I think that with his hair, Colin Kaepernick is trying
to send a message, and I don't think you need
to send that message through your physical appearance. Um and uh.

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And again the other thing Michael Vick said, I don't
know if we had this audio. He said the reason
Colin Kaepernick was not employed was because he wasn't good enough.
And I think that also ties in with the appearance factor,
because look, if Aaron Rodgers wanted to start to look
like a you know, a shaman and he's got like
these long flowing locks and they go down in the
middle of his back and he looks like Stephen Garcia

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back in the day, you can do that because you're
the greatest quarterback right now in my opinion. In the NFL,
if Tom Brady suddenly decided that he was never gonna
shave his beard again like Ryan Fitzpatrick did. Remember back
when Ryan Fitzpatrick had a hell of a long beard,
like you could do that. Tom Brady could play for
the next six years without shaving his his his his beard.
He could tuck it into his into his his belt

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buckle on the on the football field and nobody would complain.
Danny G and Justin ad in l A. When you
heard these comments that Michael Vick made, your thoughts, I
thought they're pretty ridiculous. I mean, your style of hair
does not define your character in any way. I've worked
with plenty of people who were clean cut, and they

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were way bigger d bags than the coworker next to
them that had you know here, that was kind of
crazy or tats. Now, if your company specifically asks all
employees to follow a certain dress code, I can understand
having to follow that, But otherwise I don't agree with
Mike Vick at all about you Justin Well, here's my

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take on it. I think that in general, I would,
you know, if there's no other factors involved, I would
agree with Danny G. But when you're trying to and
and this is what he needs to do, when you're
trying to repair your image because it is broken right now,
Colin Kaepernick damage, then those are steps that you need
to take. It's what Michael Vick did, you know, before

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he got arrested for the dog fighting thing, he was
you know, he was corn road, that was something out.
And then when he when he came back and got
back into the league with the with the Eagles, he
was all clean cut. And Michael Vick, I mean, I
know he he hasn't you know, fixed his image with
a lot of people. But I think overall he was
very successful in turning that around and finding success again

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in the league. And so that's I think all he's
saying to Kaepernick. But that was by his actions, right,
not because he cut his hair, right, but he he
was only I feel that he was given the chance
to prove it with his actions because he took those
small steps. It's just you know, how you're perceived. It's
it's it's an interesting question because it is a gesture
that is completely can be hollow, right, and what you

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look like doesn't define your inner core, right, there is
there's zero doubt of that. But in an error, when
perception can be reality. If Colin Kaepernick shaved his head, uh,
what he needs to do is talk, right. I mean,
if Colin Kaepernick wants to get employed again, he needs
to actually talk to somebody. And I've been making this
argument for a long time. I've said he needs to

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come on this show, go on a show with somebody
who completely disagrees with your perspective, as I've been opened
the I do, and make the case for why your
perspective matters, but more importantly, make the case for why
football still matters to you. See. Football is unique because
I don't think you can fake it right. There are
certain situations where if you're a baseball player or you're

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a NBA player, and you sign a multi year, guaranteed
contract for years in advance, I think guys can go
through the motions for substantial portions of their season. I
think they can mail it in. I think they can Malinger.
I think they can sit out with injuries. I think
everybody out there who is listening to this show right
now can think of a major league baseball player or
an NBA guy that you feel very comfortable is not

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going hard every day as part of their job. And
by the way, that's common across all professions, no matter
where you are today in all fifty states for listening
to this job, listening to this show, if you're going
in for work, you would immediately and I said, you
have to fire somebody at your job because he's not
doing his work or she's not doing her work and
she's always like making things. Like everybody would immediately have

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a name. And if you don't have a name, it's
probably you. Right, somebody that you know, in a larger
context is not very good at their job. That's common
across the board, right. But I think what Michael Vick
is getting at here is a larger context and the
hair is is is almost a metaphor for send a
message that you care about football and a lot of

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people out there, I think today and we'll talk a
little about this on the flip side. I want eight
seven seven nine six three six nine. I want to
hear from you guys, Jason Martin doing the research. Uh,
William Howard Taft is the last president with facial hair.
He had a mustache in nine to nineteen thirteen. Grover
Cleveland the last one with a beard in his official portrait.

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Who was the go to right now? Wikipedia? Jason Martin,
I want to find out well we'll hit you on
the flip side here. Who was the last president to
have a beard? Who was it? Benjamin Harrison? Benjamin Harrison?
When was he president? Eighteen eighty nine to eighteen nine
d three? All right, So everybody out there who's like, oh,
Michael Vick saying that Colin Kaepernick needs to need to

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get a haircut, that one of the first things people
would tell you if you ran for president was you
can't have a beard. And that's a crazy stat I
think about in today's day and age. The last president
to have facial hair was William Howard taft So shaved
the mustache. The last president to have a beard was nine.
Now does that mean that bearded presidents or mustached presidents

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are gonna be somehow worse presidents? Of course not, but
somehow voters believe that if you have facial hair, you
are less trustworthy. Now, this is just white dudes, right,
including and then up through Barack Obama, every single person
who has run for president, nobody has had facial hair
in over a hundred years and governed our country. That's

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totally aesthetic. Somewhat similar to the advice that Michael Vick
is giving Colin Kaepernick. People judge you based on how
you look. What your hairstyle says, or what your facial
hair style says gives an idea about you. I'll tell
you right now. In Hollywood, people are up late at night.
They've got jobs in the creative industries. Everybody looks like me.

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Now every dude has got a beard. Message with the
beard is I got a job. It's a little bit
different now beards have come back. Fifteen years later, when
I was going in for my law firm interviews, people said, man,
I think you should take your beard off because you
want to get hired. You don't want to do anything
that rocks the boat. And what is otherwise a conservative industry?
Remember who's cutting the checks in the NFL. It's not

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a lot of creative dudes. It's a lot of conservative
business men. This is a really I think, intriguing advice
that Michael Vick gave yesterday on FS one. I am
Clay Travis. You're listening to I'll get the coverage your calls. Next?
Was this good advice? Bad advice? Was a ridiculous Mike
Vick on Kaepernick. But first, let's find out what's trending now.
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of things. Well we're discussing again. If you're just waking up,
I'll play you this clip again quickly here, which is
Michael Vick with advice for Colin Kaepernick on speak for yourself.
First thing we've got to get caught in to do
is cut his head, you know what I mean. Listen,
I'm not up here to try to be politically correct.
But you know, even if you puts corn rows and
I don't think he should represent himself, you know, in

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that way in terms of you know, just a hass style.
Just go clean cut, you know why not? You know
you're already dealing with a lot, not a controversy surrounding
this issue. You know, just try to be presentable, alright,
your calls. I'm curious again I I put it in
the context almost immediately to me with this reminds me
of is my own self. You have a long hair,
you get it cut short. You're more likely to get employed. Also,

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the decision I had to make whether or not to
cut my beard and to me interesting and fascinating. In
American politics, last president to have facial hair, a beard,
or a mustache n O nine to nine thirteen. Last
one with a beard eighteen eighty nine. So we're talking
about over a hundred years of American political history. No
one has been elected president with facial hair. Why because

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a lot of political for a lot of political fosters,
a lot of political consultants will tell you that American
voters react negatively towards anyone with facial hair. Can you
even remember who was the last person with facial hair
to even run for president? Like not to win, but
just to run for president. I don't think a single
United States Senator right now has a beard or a mustache.

(27:27):
Remember it was a big deal when Paul Ryan grew
a beard Speaker of the House for a short period
of time. People were like, oh my god, there's somebody
in the House of Representatives with a beard. Who can he?
Can you guys even think of anybody who's ran for
president with either a mustache or a or beard. Does
Ben Carson have? I can't I came trying to think
of guys that had facial hair, and I don't notice

(27:50):
it as much because I've got facial hair. I'm trying
to remember, like, I can't think of a white dude
who's run for president had like a mustache or a
beard in a long time. I remember the Senator from
New Jersey, John Corzine, had a beard, and he was
like the only guy who elected to the Senate in
sixty or seventy years who had a beard. Can you
guys think of one at all? I mean other than
the rent is two damn high party guy like and

(28:12):
that's that's a little bit of an extreme. Like I
was trying to think, as you said that, and I
can't really come up with one. Carson had a little bit,
but even he almost tried to mitigate it and almost
make it disappear. When it came time for the debates,
pretty much everybody else was completely clean shaven, Even people
running for president are not that that's and that's one
of the first things they'll tell you, Like if if right, now,

(28:34):
let's pretend that I was a political candidate and I
got to sit across from the top consultants in American
and I said, okay, what can I do cosmetically to
make it clear that I want to run for president?
Just about every single one of them would say, as
their first bit of advice, go ahead and shave your
beard and otherwise you're not serious about trying to get
elected president. John and the O C. John wents up

(29:00):
on play. Sorry, I don't know, because you're just uh,
I agree, there's any sets upon. I want to make
a little parallel uh the n B A. But before that,
I mean, it's the recurr of a skinny drop energy.
You go for, you cut your hair, you you change
your you know what's comfortable in that place. You find
out what's going on. You know, it goes to the NBA,
goes for working uh server or a lawyer or whatever.

(29:25):
You know, once you get comfortable amount of environment, people
like sut you maybe you can change it up a
little bit. But that's a different point. But David Stern
uh loose credited for a lot of things. But he
changed your dress code and the players agreed to that.
Before that, you had you know, allan iverson other types
of players showing up to Prescott. I don't nothing's wrong,
but you know in baggy Jersey's baggy pants change, all

(29:49):
this kind of stuff, and David Stern figured out it
it's it was bad for the NBA, and he thought
it was bad for the NBA and the revenues of
only sorts. Since that the Clippers are sold for two
bailing dollars, the Rockets are probably going to sell for
a routine one and two. So since then the NBA
has only gone up. So yeah, whenever you go for
you gotta you gotta play a part, and you know,

(30:11):
just just cut your hair. And I don't think it's
you meant anything bad by and all the you know
ms is being and all that is just spending it,
you know, the way they want to. Yeah, it's a
good point. It's a good point about the NBA because
David Stern basically made the decision. Look, when we're going
to and from NBA games, I want you guys to
dress like businessmen, your professionals. I want to send the

(30:32):
message that we are a professional league and the way
that you dress going to a event like this is
a big deal. It's an interesting point, you know. Cosmetically,
I think about when I did television and FS one
was pretty much adamant that you wear a tie. Eventually
that became the rule. Initially it was We're gonna be relaxed,

(30:52):
no ties. I'm not a guy who wears the tie.
But guess what, every time I went on television with
FS one, they would pick my ward drobe and I
would wear a tie, and their belief was that cosmetics
matters in this context. I think it's a really good point.
All right, I'm gonna take your calls on this in
the final segment of the hour eight seven seven six

(31:15):
three six nine, You guys can load them up, will
run through and get all of you weighing in on
this story. Again. It's I think it's a really kind
of interesting story, not just about sports, but also about
society at large. Michael Vick says, first thing Colin Kaepernick
needs to do now is cut his hair. He needs
to get rid of the afro and stop sending a message,

(31:37):
in Michael Vick's opinion, with that hair, that you're more
interested in political statements than you are in being a
football player. It's a cosmetic and completely on its surface move,
but a lot of times surface moves send messages about
underlying message, about underlying intent and I'm using the president
as an example. No president with facial hair and over

(31:59):
a hundred years because people look at the President and say,
I don't trust a guy with a mustache or beard
as much as I do a clean shaving guy. Is
it lazy? Yes? Does it seem to exist in our psychology? Yes,
which is why political consultants their first move is to
tell anybody running for president, even running, not just winning,
but running, you gotta immediately shave that beard or mustache.

(32:21):
Should Cap cut his hair? Your calls eight seven seven
six nine, I'm Clay Travis. You're listening to dokip the
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from Liar Liar now Fox Sports Radio producer, You went

(32:44):
back and looked and you say, okay, who's the last
presidential candidate who was a major party nominee to have
facial hair? And you uncovered what it was? Thomas E.
Dewey and ninet. I mean, think about how crazy that
is for out there who's saying this is a racial ing.
Think about that a lot of white dudes who have
run for president. The last presidential candidate from a major

(33:07):
party to have facial hair was Thomas Dewey in Now.
You guys may remember him from your ap history classes
or your history text textbooks. That's the famous Dewey versus Truman.
If you remember that picture, which is one of the
most iconic in American political history, it's Harry S. Truman
holding up the newspaper that says Dewey defeats Truman. Truman,

(33:28):
of course, went on to win that election. Maybe if
Dewey had shaved the mustache, he'd be president today. Harry
Truman wouldn't have gotten reelected after the death of Franklin
Roosevelt loaded lines I'm gonna roll through and get your calls.
We're talking about if you're just waking up, Michael Vicks
saying the first thing Colin Kaepernick should do is cut
his hair. J B in Virginia, what's up? JB? Hey,

(33:54):
I won't actually tell you doing because I'm your three
true I got the best job in America. Hey, Um,
I think we should stop thinking of Colin Kaepernick as
big football player. He's not an activist, and he's doing
good work as an activist. UM. As far as what
Mr Dick said, UM, I believe the whole Connely thing

(34:18):
is for older individuals. And it's now two thousand seventeen
and you have to listen to people whether they were dreads,
long hair, uh T shirts. All right, let me ask
you this. I understand that argument. Okay, JB. Let's say
that you went in to meet your doctor or your

(34:38):
airplane pilot, and your airplane pilot had tattoos on his
face or your doctor had tattoos on his face. Would
you be naturally thinking to yourself, I'm glad that I'm
in control. Like to me, those are two professions. Just
tossing it out there where you want to see, like,
whoever's the filing flying that plane? I want him high
and tight. I want him like I want him with

(35:01):
nothing going on with his hair. I want him to
look like the most clean cut man imaginable. I don't
And even though Denzel was clean cut and doing everything
crazy and whatever movie that was, or he was an
airline pilot, I want to be fooled by the cosmetics.
Same thing. If I'm walking in to a doctor's office.
It's like, if my doctor is there and he's checking
me for cancer and he smokes a cigarette, I'm like,
I don't want this dude advising me, right, that's totally cosmetic.

(35:23):
He could be the greatest doctor of all time. But
if my doctor is rubbing out like a cigarette butt
as I'm walking in for my morning meeting and he's
got a facial tattoo, I'm like, I'm changing doctors, right,
I mean, and that's totally cosmetic. Could be wrong with me,
But I'm judging a book by its cover. I definitely
see what you're saying, But I was just about to
say that you can't judge a book cover. I understand

(35:44):
appreciate the call, but we all do it like saying
you can't judge a book by its cover. The reason
why that phrase exists is because everybody does judge a
book by its cover. Right, Like if I told you
right now that you had to make a decision about
who your doctor was gonna be, and I put a

(36:05):
dude who was smoking a cigarette and had a Mike
Tyson facial tattoo next to a clean cut dude of
any race, no facial hair, got his hair high and tight.
Which doctor are you picking of? You just based sheerly
on physical books, maybe higher than are saying. I'm going

(36:26):
with the guy without the facial tattoo smoking a cigarette.
That's just natural human nature. Judging a book by its
cover is instinctual, and we're all in some sense descendants
of animals, right, Like everybody reacts instinctually based on the
appearance of what they see, and so I think that's
the reason why I tied this in. When I saw this,

(36:46):
Michael Vick thought about Colin Kaepernick getting a haircut. My
first thought was not about sports. It was about the presidents.
The fact, I mean, that's amazing statistic if you think
about it. We have not had a major party political
candidate with either or a beard or a mustache in
this country since that's because if you sit two guys
on a couch side by side in suits, America as

(37:10):
a whole judges the guy without facial hair to be
more trustworthy than the guy with facial hair, and so
in an in an election where the margin can be
so fine. I mean, I'm making a joke about it,
but It's possible that the reason why do we defeated
did not defeat Truman, as that famous newspaper headline showed,
was because do we had a mustache? Like I met

(37:33):
Thomas Dewey. If we've had me, he still alive today.
And we went back to and we said, dude, you
wish now you had shaved that mustache, you might have
been elected president instead of Harry Truman. He's like, man,
you know what, I shouldn't have kept that mustache. That's
what cost me the election. And you know, parents matters
even more now in an age of television. Great example

(37:54):
of that Nixon and jfk debate in nineteen sixty. Everybody
listening on the radio as a whole believed that Richard
Nixon won that debate. Everybody watching on television believe that
John F. Kennedy won the debate. And that's how John F.
Kennedy got elected president. He understood television better than Richard
Nixon did. Nixon wasn't as good looking, he was sweating,

(38:16):
and people watching on television found Nixon to be less
r usworthy than John F. Kennedy. People listening on the
radio had a totally different opinion That's why you hear
the line it's got a face for radio. By and large,
radio guys not as good looking as TV guys. You
know why people like to look at good looking people
on television. Fortunately, my hair is fabulous even though I'm
on the radio, which is why I get to do television.

(38:38):
Two hour two coming up, we got loaded lines eight seven,
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you guys do to spread the gospel of OutKick. We

(39:00):
were rolling up affiliate's like crazy, and by football season
we're gonna be firing on all cylinders. We're talking about
a story that has blown up since yesterday afternoon. Michael
Vick went on Jason Whitlock's show, Speak for Yourself, talking
about what he thought Colin Kaepernick should do to make
himself employable. Vic obviously has a tinuous I would say

(39:23):
history when it comes to being well received in the NFL.
He went to prison for dog fighting, serve time at
Fort Leavenworth, came back hold the distinction of being the
only NFL player, I believe still of all time to
sign two hundred million dollar contracts, one with the Atlanta
Falcons before he went to prison, one with the Philadelphia
Eagles after he came back from prison. And we'll talk

(39:44):
to Jason Whitlock in an hour three of this show.
It's always pretty good. He's gonna join us at eight
fifteen Eastern. So if you're getting to work early and
you want to pretend to be working, maybe put the
headphones in. Stream us on Fox Sports Radio dot com,
download the I Heart Radio app, do whatever you gotta do,
because I think that'll be a good interview. But if
you're just waking up and you haven't heard these comments yet,

(40:06):
they happened yesterday afternoon or evening, and I think they'll
get a lot more attention today. Here is what Michael
Vick said his first bit of advice would be for
Colin Kaepernick if he were sitting across the table from
Colin Kaepernick and asked what he should do. First thing
we've got to get caught in to do is cut
his hair, you know, I mean, listen, I'm not up
here to try to be politically correct. But you know,

(40:27):
even if he puts KR rows and I don't think
he should represent himself, you know, in that way in
terms of you know, just a half style, just go
clean cut, you know, why not? You know you're already
dealing with a lot, a lot of controversies surrounding this issue.
You know, just try to be presentable. And uh, I
immediately think about how we judge people based on how

(40:47):
they look, and to me, politics the first thing I
think of. And so we've been running through the list.
I mean, it's amazing. No one has been president in
this country since I think it was nine with facial hair,
over a hundred years, and we have not elected a
major party candidate to run for president with facial hair
since Thomas Dewey back in. One of the first things

(41:08):
they say, regardless of well, who you are, what's your
background is if you're running for president, even if you're
running for high political office. Most governors don't have facial hair.
I don't think any senator does right now. If you're
a guy running for president, shave your beard, shave your mustache.
We trust people who are clean shaven in this country
more because we make immediate judgments. That's why everybody wears
those power ties. People try to avoid giving other people

(41:31):
reasons not to trust them based on how they look.
Open phone lines eight seven seven three six nine. We
go to G. Dubb in Cincinnati. What's up? G? Dub And?
Is he not there? I guess he is not there?
Who is it? Wait? Who did you call for? Just?
G Dubbin Cincinnati? Okay, yeah, I've got him for you now.

(41:53):
Oh yeah, you can't get out of this clay. How
are you doing man? Welcome back. I appreciate that, and
I'm doing that. First of all, let me say I
think it's funny that we're talking about impair parents and presidents.
If hair, if your hairstyle and your appearances is indicative
of your talent or or make yourself presentable, how do
you explain that the idiot that we have in the

(42:14):
White House right now with the cheeto tan and the
dead cockatoo on top of his head because he wouldn't
have gotten elected president if he had facial here we
don't care about. Barack Obama ran for president right now
against Donald Trump. Would a full beard, he would beat
about twenties and thirty points. That might be. But you
know one reason that might be is because black people

(42:36):
would show up and vote for Barack Obama and they
didn't show up and vote for Hillary Clinton. No. Actually,
I think black and white people would vote for Barack
Obama like they did before. We forget that Barack Obama
actually wanted the popular vote. Donald Trump didn't. But that's
not my point. Uh, Michael Vick, he said it himself.
And and first of all, let me say, g thank
you brother for standing up. I was hoping somebody was

(42:57):
going to stand up to Clay and the whole right
wing narrative that would be out there about a parents because,
quite honestly, Michael said to himself, with all the things
that are that are going on and being controversial about
Colin Kaepernick, him trying to tell him to cut his
hair is basically to him telling him himself to kind
of tone down your blackness. Because Clay I would make
the point that having long hair didn't hurt A Matthews,

(43:20):
having long hair doesn't hurt, didn't hurt Troy Pola, Paula Malu,
having long hair didn't hurt. With Blaine Gabbert, the quarterback
that Colin Kaepernick replaced. So apparently, well, he's a quarterback somewhere.
He's a back up somewhere, isn't he. I don't, I
don't know it's Blaine Gabbert. I don't think, yeah, but

(43:43):
Glenn Gabbard. They won't tell bla Blaine Glabbert that you
can't have your long locks hanging out the back of
your helmet because of a parance. I mean, and you
had a caller Cally and talked about the NBA dress code.
The reason why the Clippers sold for billions of dollars
wasn't because of an NBA dress code. And if it
was really that important, that maybe what Manfred with the
with the baseball they don't have a dress coat. And

(44:06):
I don't get lots of NBA team I mean lots
of Major League Baseball teams do have a dress dress code.
I think stop the Cincinnati Reds and the Chicago Cubs,
I think have still in place. You can't have facial
hair on those teams, right, I think that still the
red the Yankees facial hair. The Yankees and the Reds don't.
The Yankees and the Reds don't allow facial hair and

(44:28):
I believe they require you to get your hair cut too.
The Reds have facial here now, Clay, I'm in Cincinnati.
Well they changed that rule. Then they had rule for
like four for not that long ago, like forty years
when March, Yeah, when March was you know, when March
was the ultra right wing conservative owner. But yeah, they
changed that rule when Gregg Vine came to Cincinnati. Because

(44:48):
al right, so you have started to get a job.
Your son's trying to get a job and he's graduating
from college. He has a big afro, and he says,
I'm gonna go in for this interview with my afro out.
You would not tell him. I don't think that's a
good ide. You know why. It's it's a hairstyle. This
Black people wear afros. That's like saying, Clay, that if
your son went to a job interview when he had

(45:09):
like I don't know, Donald Trump's hair or big hair
like Sarah Palin, are you saying that he should cut
it down with yours? Because my kids. Look, I would
tell my kids if they were graduating from college and
they had hair that ran down to their shoulders and
they were going to interview for a job, that was
Public Facing Incorporated. Get your hair cut, Trician. He has

(45:29):
an afro. He's a great pediatrician black man. That's fine.
This is the thing. Black black hairstyles, we we vary.
Like I said, white people can have big hair, and
I don't think I've ever complained about Randy Jobson having
the mullet. It doesn't intimidate me. I think the fact

(45:49):
that white people are still intimidated by black men having
a FROs in two thousand seventeen doesn't have something that
is I'm white, I would even want to admit, to
tell you the truth, I don't think it intimidation or
you about to get attacked by a forklift there. I
don't think it's intimidation. Let's let we're gonna move on
to other calls. I don't think it's intimidation. I don't
think it's even racial. I think it's if you're like

(46:11):
I just said, if my kids were graduating from college today.
My kids are young, they're nine, six and two ahead
ring a bell there, But if they were graduating from
college and one of them had really long hair that
ran down to his shoulders, and he was interviewing for
a corporate job, I would say cut your hair. I mean,
I don't think that's a controversial opinion if you were

(46:32):
running for president. As I've said before, I don't think
people are uh making decisions that they're not trusting somebody
with a fate with a mustache or beard. But the
fact that we haven't selected somebody to run for president
with facial hair since means that people judge based on appearances,
and I think that makes sense. Look, we're a tribal people,

(46:53):
and what I mean by that is we are like
historically we were in tribes. Everybody amount of Africa we
were all in tribes. You talked to evolutionary biologists. One
of the first things that people learned in tribes was
they used appearance to judge threat factors. And if somebody
looked like you, you were less likely to feel threatened

(47:13):
by them. Then if they look different now it could
be wearing different clothing, it could be having wearing your
hairstyle different. You felt more comfortable if people looked like you.
And if you're trying to get a job and into
competitive industry, I think you do whatever you can to
make your actual statements and your words stand out more
than your physical appearance. Now, I've rejected this advice before.

(47:37):
When I was trying to get started as a young attorney,
I decided to keep my beard. I was like, I
don't think this is that controversial. But it was back
in like two thousand two there weren't very many young
people with beards. Remember everybody telling me before I started
doing my interviews, you should shave your beard, cut your
hair short, shave your beard. If you're a guy, regardless
of what your race is, don't give somebody a reason

(47:59):
to question you based on your appearance. Make sure that
you're being considered as much as you possibly can be.
So I don't think this is a racial issue. I
think a lot of people are going to say it's
a racial issue. I think if Michael Vick had not
been a black guy saying this, I think people be like,
oh my god, can you believe Claytorravis said Colin Kaepernick
should cut his hair. I mean people will be up
in arms over it, which I think is lazy, right.

(48:20):
I mean it addressed the context of the opinion, not
what the person giving the opinion. Looks Like, let's go
to who do we got Berkeley that disagrees with me?
Jason Martin. Uh, s o F apparently alright, s O F.
What's up? What's up? S o F? Hi? How are
you excellent? I'm quite well, but I'm quite upset with

(48:43):
you because this program is in a perfect example of
what the police do. They end up shooting black people
on the streets because they make a judgment decision based
on what they see, whether it's wrong hair, short hair, mustaches,
no mustache, has and so forth, and they decide whether
or not they're going to kill people before you think
police or regularly out there people based on what they
look like. Let me finish, before they allow people to

(49:06):
have a have a word to say about what they're
doing on the street. They do not allow people to speak,
They do not allow they don't ask for identification. They
disavow anybody's ability to express themselves First Amendment rights, and
they also take away through process just out there with guns,
just like somebody with long hair, and they're just not

(49:27):
a person. Michael Vick is not a person whose opinion
should be given on someone who is not a criminal,
who has not done anything violent, who has expressed positive
UH support for black life, and has totally truthfully shown
that the police have been using bias, racism, and white

(49:51):
supremacy to deal with the black community rather than dealing
with the Black community as public taxpayers who are paying
them to protect them. He is not going for a
coaching job. He's a football player. He puts a helmet
on and plays with a helmet on his head like
all other quarterbacks. His hair is irrelevant to his status.
His status as solid as a quarterback. The only reason

(50:13):
people don't want to deal with him is that he
has not had been able to find a coach who
has the balls to stand up with him and affirm
the right of black people not to be shot every
twenty five minutes. So you think police are out there
killing black people all the time with his hair. If
he was trying to become general manager of a team,
then yeah, he might need to do something different in

(50:36):
terms of his dress. But his hair is fine. His
hair is beautiful. It is rich, it is full, it
is neat, it is not dirty, it is not straggly.
It is a wonderful example of black male power. Let's
not play the Samson and Delilah game with Colin Kaepernick.
He should be a quarterback for somebody's team, and I

(50:57):
think that your show is an excellent an example of
why Colin Kaepernick took in the in the first place,
because I think we're racist. You think the show, you
think I'm racist functioning. I think you're functioning on a
white supremacist concept of what is real in terms of
African amensia. Should I take my Should I take my
KK hood off? Or do you think it's better for
me to leave it on? You don't have a k

(51:19):
What you have is the my white privilege, my white supremacy. Yeah,
that's right, And you need to take a lesson from
Tim Wise because I think he would help you and
a lot of people who think like you do a
great deal left harm to the Black Lives Matter movement?
What do you think I'm doing? The charming black people?
And I really really think that you need to rethink

(51:40):
what do you think of doing and black people? Colin
Kaepernick is an excellent You're just kind of running through
I'm asking I'm asking you a question. What do you think?
What do you think I'm doing the charming black people?
You are setting up a re run of the anti
Afro anti black power movement came out of the sixties,

(52:01):
which affiliated or associated. How does that tie in? How
does that tie in with me saying that I would
tell my kids to also cut their hair short? I mean,
my kids are you can tell you so I would
have the same. So I'm giving every five minutes. You
don't have a seven year old. Okay, let's stop here,
let's stop here, all right. Do you know who kills
black people in this country? Do you know? Stop? Do

(52:21):
you know who kills black people in this country? She's
still there? Police? Black people are being killed by police
in this country. That's interesting because of the people killed
in this country by black people. Do you know who
killed them? Black people? How come you don't talk about that?
I think you need to go back and look at yours.
I will, Okay, put her for a second, put her

(52:43):
on pod. Here's here to the stats. All right. This
whole call is evidence to me of fake news. Right,
So this person calls in, I don't know who it is,
buddy in Berkeley. Go figure stereotypical left winger that doesn't
actually consider about facts and arguing that people are like
police are just killing black people like crazy because they
have afros. This is not true, all right? These stats

(53:06):
are a try or right don't want you to listen
to me. This year in America, more people will be
killed by bees, wasps, at hornets, then the police will
kill unarmed people. That's an unbelievable statistic that nobody will
talk to you about. I want you to hear that
right now. Of all races. Secondly, people who get shot

(53:28):
by police are majority white. Black people are not getting
killed by police at high rates. In fact, if you
analyze police shootings relative to violent crime, black people are
actually less likely to get shot than white and Hispanic
people are as Black people, given the percentage of their population,
commit an inordinate percentage of violent crime in this country.

(53:48):
Let's use murders. Black people represent twelve or of the
overall population of the United States, they represent over half
of all murders. Do you know who's killing most black people?
Black people. Of all black people who are murdered in
this country are killed by other black people. So if
you're up in arms, if black lives matter, truly matter,

(54:10):
then you need to get black people to believe it
because they're the ones killing other black people. There's another
static stat for you. I talk about making we West,
do those ads about don't get hit by a train. Right,
If you are leaving your house this morning to go
to work, you are five times as likely to be
hit and killed by a train today as you are
if you were unarmed, to be shot and killed by police.

(54:33):
That's a statistic that blows most people's mind. You are
just about as likely this year to be struck and
killed by the lightning as you are if you are
unarmed leaving your house today to be killed by a police.
So I get so fed up with this argument that
nobody pushes back on that. This person what's her name,
p JW or c JW or whatever her name is
pulling back up. Those are all statistics that matter. Now,

(54:56):
maybe that's just saying that because I'm doing the show
this morning in my KKK hood. Sometimes I do it,
sometimes I don't. It's a little bit cold here in
the studio this morning, so I decided to wear my
full KKK outfit. Other days I just hang it up
on the wall, because you know, I come in every
day and I say, what can I do to make
black people mad? Today? And so I'm wearing my KKK outfit?
Where does she bring back up? Berkeley? You're problemming, You're

(55:17):
thinking your listeners to think in terms of an assro
as being something that is violent or politically. I'm not
thinking that at all. I'm saying that if you want
to get a job, if you want to get a job,
you cut your hand. No, all you have to do
to get a job to play football was put on
a helmet and know how to run the place, or

(55:37):
which Colin Kaepernick isn't. If I just said, don't you
hear me say that if Aaron Rodgers had a few
man chew that ran all the way down to his waist,
he'd be employed. He could wear as long as a
beer as he want anything to do with that, as
long as his stats were fine. What's your problem is
is that you don't want to have a black man
who stands up for a black political issue in a positive,
non violent way. He took a knee because that was

(56:01):
his way of protesting the violence of the police who
against African American people, who protects more black lives in
this country anybody else? It's the police. You don't know.
It is not It is not. That is not true.
You don't look at the statistics in Baltimore to look
at the statistics in Chicago. Do you know why the
rates of violence because police are pulling out you're an

(56:22):
officer of the court, idea how that works in terms
of what it is from our side, And you refuse
to accept the testimony or the witnessing or the discussion
from people who are black, who know what the situation is.
This is a completely about my data life. What about
my data? The fact that you're not likely to get
killed by police? That is not necessarily true. The black

(56:48):
community now is on alert and every time we see
a police car. If you think that the police are
driving around, you have no idea whether or not that's
gonna happen or not, because you have no idea which
of them are the good guys? When you are outside,
do you think, I'm I hope I don't get killed
by uniform? Struck by lightning today? Are bitten by a bah?
The challenge of what I'm saying to you is that

(57:10):
your show is based on the fallacy that the police
do the same thing in the streets if they see
something that they think is you said that. I didn't
say that a dress or suspicious. No, but your whole
show is based on that, on the concept because what
you're fighting against is not the ASPHO. You're fighting against
his ability to stand that and have a political opinion,

(57:33):
and then you're castigating him for how he did it.
It was okay. So you think you think I'm a
You think I'm a huge racist because I think Colin
Kaepernick should cut his hair. Let me ask you this,
was it really racist of me to vote for Barack
Obama to be the President of the United States twice?
He's not running for that. He's running for He's no.
But I think it's interesting if you're going to call
in and say somebody's a white supremacist and they're wanting

(57:53):
running a white supremacist organization here and again, I'm taking
off my KKK hood for for this moment. But I
thought for Barack Obama in two thousand eight and two
thousand twelve, so I thought a black man was capable
of running the most important country in the world. Is
founded on the basis of a white supremacist argument from
a from a So you think you think construct it's
interesting because I'm glad that you point that out. Because

(58:15):
when they came to me and they said, what do
you want to do with your show? I said, you
know what I want to do a white supremacist, eurocentric
show that makes sure that black people cut their hair.
And they were like, you know what, that show is
going to kill. This came out of your hunting for
a hot topic because it's kind of slow right now.
Michael Vick unfortunately came out. And you think Michael Vick's

(58:38):
racist against black people. No, I think Michael Vick is
a victim. How the same thing that I'm talking about
that that that this show. You think, do you think
white people have co opted Michael Vick and like taking
over his brain and now he's got a white brain
thinks going on there? Once he has been once a
person has been taken down in the way that Michael
Vick was taken down. I mean, I don't see any

(59:00):
of the other people who do cock fighting and dog
fighting being sentenced to Leavenworth as he was. There's tons
of them all over the country, all over the South,
all over the North, everywhere. Nobody has had this kind
of maligning and um, so you think Michael Vick went
to prison. White people got in his head and they're like, hey,
I don't think you need to cut your hair. Michael

(59:21):
Vick has a political position. I think Michael Vick has
a job issue. Colin Kaepernick has a political position. He
has taken it. He has backed it up with his money.
Bye bye, trying to make um um community UH support
programs for young people. He has done things with his money.

(59:43):
Michael Vick can put no money out there. How come?
How come Colin Kaepernick hasn't protested the fact that black
people are killed by black people. If he cares about
black lives, You have no idea. I haven't heard him
say that, and I don't believe that. And I'm going
to go look at it. But you don't believe it.
Let's go ahead and hang up. I really don't believe it.
You don't believe my facts. Like this is the problem,
Like we have people call in and I say, okay,

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here are the facts, and these are sure you can
look them up. You're more likely if you are in
this country today leaving your house without a gun, you
are more likely to be killed by a bee wasper
hornet today than you are by the police. You are
five times as likely to be hit by a train.
You are just about as likely to be struck and
killed by lightning. All those things are true if you're

(01:00:26):
not fearing being killed by a bee, wasper hornet, struck
by lightning, or hit by a train. You shouldn't be
fearing the police. That's just logical, intelligent thought. Moreover, if
you are obsessed like this woman was with Black Lives Matter,
wouldn't you tell black people, hey, maybe you don't kill
the black people in this country. Instead of focusing on

(01:00:47):
this tiny scintilla of police violence, wouldn't you focus on
the vast majority of violence that occurs in this country
that black people face, which is of the time brought
to bear against them by other black people. If black
lives matter, black people, shoure aren't showing it your phones
eight seven seven nine six three six nine. You can

(01:01:08):
take a break here, take my hood off, put it
back on. By the time we start the second segment.
You gotta get my eurocentrism up and rolling. This is
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(01:01:31):
great example. We live in an upside down universe where
people just decide what their opinions are and then don't
care at all about facts. That's why, you know, I
go after M. S. E. ESPN all the time because
they employ like or they used to before they started
firing everybody because their business is collapsing. They employ like
four thousand people on air. Nobody's ever pushed back and

(01:01:51):
pointed out all the facts I just did about white
Collin Kaepernick's protest was dumb to begin with. How crazy
that is. They employ all these people at ESPN, and
not one person has ever said, wait a minute, I
understand Colin Kaepernick's protesting. You know, police killing black people,
but shouldn't you at least break down the numbers be like, okay,
n black people are killed by other black people. How

(01:02:14):
frequently are unarmed black people? Are unarmed people in general?
It's not even just black people, unarmed people in general.
I think it was last year there were forty six
unarmed people shot and killed by police. Now, unarmed doesn't
mean you're not dangerous, right, Because if you were a
professional fighter, your fist could be dangerous. Right. You could
try to get somebody's gun and end up getting shot. Right.
So forty six people. It's not very many, less than

(01:02:35):
one a week. I think like eighteen of those were black.
So almost nobody in this country who was unarmed and
black got shot last year. Almost impossible. More people. Again,
this is a statistic that I don't know why I'm
the only person who shares it. More people in this
country last year were killed by bees, wasp and hornets

(01:02:55):
or lightning. Then we're shot and killed unarmed by police.
So the fact that you feel something doesn't matter to me.
I go to the data and all this is spiraling
out of my position that I don't think is that controversial,
which is when you want to get a job, you
want to be as unthreatening in your physical appearance as possible.
Mike Vick said Colin Kaepernick should cut his hair. He's

(01:03:17):
trying to get a job. I told you before, if
my kids are graduating from college and they had really
long hair or graduating from high school and they were
going to try to get a job, I would say, hey,
cut your hair. Rank. That's a common advice that people
across the board give. Don't have something going on with
your physical appearance that challenges your ability to get a job. Now,

(01:03:37):
look if you're in the creative industry, or you're a musician,
or you are look at me, like, right now, I'm
doing this show and a T shirt, shorts and flip flops.
I dare address every single day if I can in
a T shirt, shirts, shorts and flip flops. But when
I was a practicing attorney, this is actually kind of funny.
When I was a practicing attorney, I used to try

(01:03:57):
to wear my flip flops into the into the office
right early in the morning. I would show up, I
would park underneath our building and I would walk into
the into the office in my suit and flip flops.
That's just because I lived in the Caribbean at the time.
I lived in St. Thomas, US Virgin Islands, and I'm
a flip flop guy. And I would leave my dress

(01:04:19):
shoes and usually my dress coat. To a lot of
lawyers do this. You have like a suit hanging in
your office in case you have to go to court
or in case you have to get dressed up. By
the way, I'm not gonna show up in court in
shorts and flip flops in a D shirt. Um and uh.
And I would come into my flip flops and one
of the partners at the law firms said, you can't

(01:04:39):
do that anymore. I said, well, I'm getting here early
in the morning. Nobody's seeing me. I'm parking underneath and
coming in. Said yeah, but when you walk through the office,
it's possible somebody early in the morning is going to
be here as a client. And it reflects poorly if
one of our lawyers is showing up. We're in flip flops,
even though you have dress shoes that you're leaving in
the office and that you put on when you get
to the office. I just like to drive. I had
of jeep. I like to drive my jeep and flip flops,

(01:05:01):
you know, and like feel like I could get ready
in a hurry. Just leave him by the door, put
him on. Told not to do that. Everybody out there
who's saying, oh, Colin Kaepernick, he doesn't need to cut
his hair, would you say the same thing if your
son or daughter were on trial in court. You're gonna
keep it real, show up, bad clothes, long hair, unshaved.

(01:05:25):
Are you gonna wear a suit and a tie and
sit at the witness stand like an innocent man? I
said this before you know a lot of trial attorneys.
They know how much perception matters. You know, one of
the big tricks that a trial attorney will make if
he's a guy, he puts on a wedding ring. There
are lots that's a trick for you, guys. I want
you to know, if you're on a jury, lots of

(01:05:46):
lawyers out there will wear a wedding ring for a
trial because women on a jury trust married men more
than they do single men. If you wear a wedding ring,
even if you're not married, you don't have to make
a big show of it, but you just when you're
moving your hands, when you're talking, when you're addressing the jury,

(01:06:08):
women notice if you have a wedding ring, and if
you are married, you are less threatening to women. Makes sense, right,
and some on some level, a single guy, I've been
a single guy pretty untrustworthy. Right. Why do employers want
to hire men who have kids because they know they've
got something to lose. Married man with kids not taking

(01:06:31):
the same risks that single dude is taking. You know
this in your own job. We got a young guys.
Look at the craziness they get into. I always say this,
like very few women have ever had their lives in
with the final two words they say. Being watched this,
young unmarried men take a lot of risks. Do you
know why young unmarried men take a lot of risks
because they're trying to get women do dumb stuff. You

(01:06:54):
wear a wedding ring in front of the jury. That's
sending the message you can trust me, I am trust worthy.
A woman has decided to betrothe herself to me for
the rest of my life. That is assigned to a
jury that you aren't lying to them. Is it fake? Oh? Yeah?
Sometimes sometimes the biggest you know, the idea that a
clean cut lawyer who's married is trustworthy can be the

(01:07:18):
furthest thing from the truth. But that's a message that
people look at visually and take to heart. All right,
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go to your calls, Scott and Tulsa. Scott, what's up?
Good morning. I Uh, I didn't think this is gonna
be an interest in topic. But when the guy who

(01:08:02):
said that he had the pediatrician with the afro um,
I just I kind of chuckled because this topic came
up because of Michael Vick, and I don't see how
he Elison went to it at being a racial issue.
This is brotify Michael Vick. And for the lady who
said that Vic was done wrong. I mean, I think
you could probably find a handful of people in America

(01:08:24):
that would disagree, I mean, that would agree with her
and say that Michael Vick got what he deserved. Um.
I actually disagree with you. I mean, I think Vig
Kaepernick Um is just a bad quarterback. I mean, if
you will look, I've been saying it's it's a great point,
Like I haven't gotten into it today, and I appreciate
the call The reason why Colin Kaepernick is not employed
is because his problems exceed his talents. And if you

(01:08:47):
are a business person, your backup quarterback is like a
kid in the nineteenth century. You want him to be
seen and not heard. In an ideal scenario, you never
want your backup quarterback to play. Michael Vick was a
pretty good quarterback. A reason why he got rehired was
because his talent exceeded his problems. Karin Kaepernick is not
very good now. I Colin Kaepernick would not be a

(01:09:07):
starter regardless coming into this next season of what he
had done off the field in terms of political protest.
He might still be a backup if he had not
done a political protest. But do you blame a business
person who has a billion dollar company for choosing not
to hire somebody that's gonna hurt his business? I mean,
I always ask this question. I would encourage you guys

(01:09:28):
to hop on Twitter and ask the same question. If
all these people at m S, ESPN and Fox or
CBS or NBC or screaming about how Colin Kaepernick needs
a job, why don't their businesses hir him? Why doesn't
the ESPN hire Colin Kaepernick? To be an analyst. If
he's so great at speaking, if he's so talented and
understanding the quarterback position, shouldn't the ESPN hire him to

(01:09:49):
be an analyst? Why is an ESPN hiring him to
be an analyst and talk about football? Because he'd be
bad for business. It would be really bad for ESPN's
business for them to hire calling Kaepernick, well, if it's
bad for ESPN's business, then how are all these people
who were employed at ESPN or m s ESPN as
I like to call them, How are all these people
who are employed? They're screaming about how Colin Kaepernick needs

(01:10:10):
to get hired by an NFL. Why doesn't your own
business hire The answer is because he's bad for business.
His talent doesn't exceed his problems. Johnson Jacksonville, what's up, hey,
col I love the show. I wanted to give you
a shout. My uh, my grandfather actually ran a corporation
for twenty five years, is the largest company in its industry,
and his rule was no facial hair. And he did

(01:10:33):
that because it was all about first impression for his
his sales people. Um. And now that's something he's passed
along to me and my cousins and I as, uh,
we've gotten older, and I didn't take it seriously for
probably the first five six years that I was that
was out of college and um and ironically now I do,
and here I am making six figures. Yeah, you know,

(01:10:53):
it's it's something that it's not about race or any
type of hate or anything like that. It's about just
garnering respect and showing respect to the people. You're presenting
yourself too. Like you said, if you're going into court,
you're not going to show up in a jogging suit.
You're gonna show up in a suit and tie and
try to look presentable because you're trying to gain a
respect and you're respecting the uh, the floor that you've

(01:11:15):
been presented on. So yeah, no, it's it's it's a
it's a great point. I mean. And statistically, when I
heard the Mike Vick comments, and we're gonna have Jason Whitlock,
who had the who asked the question that led to
the Mike Vick comments on an hour three, you want
to hear that eight fifteen Eastern, five fifteen a m.
Pacific as you wake up across the country. Um, to me,
the the fascinating thing about this that I thought immediately

(01:11:36):
was about politics. Everybody. This amazing stat that we looked up.
Nobody has had facial hair and been the nominee of
a major American political party since nine. Thomas Dewey had
a mustache in Night and lost to Harry Truman. The
last American president to have facial hair a mustache was
nineteen o nine. Last time we elected a guy with

(01:11:56):
facial hair was nineteen o nine. The last time we
had a we had a a president who had a
beard was the nineteenth century. It's an amazing stat all right,
I'm gonna take your calls. Final segment of the show.
Coming up next. I'm Clay Travis, soal keep the coverage again.
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(01:12:41):
it's very clear. I have two points to make. One,
It's very clear from from listening to the caller from
Cincinnati and the caller from Berkeley that unfortunately, they're a
vast majority of black Americans in this country that are
being used and I said, used by the very same
political philosophy and people that they are voting for. They're

(01:13:02):
they're shaking their hands and giving them money in our
lock step with these people, and those people are using
them to get them to believe exactly the point that
you to not believe the points that you have made
in terms of statistics, Okay, like black lives matters, they're
being used. You know what, You go ahead, continue the
The irony of the whole Colin Kaepernick situation is we

(01:13:24):
dress the way we dressed by choice. No one's forcing
anybody to look or or get tattoos, or wear their
hair or even wear a hat a certain way. Okay,
when a person makes that choice, they're not making it subconsciously.
They're making a conscious decision. They go get tattoos because
they want people to say this is who I am

(01:13:45):
and we and so by saying you shouldn't judge a
book by its cover, that's exactly the opposite of what
the individual wants. They want you to judge them based
on the way they look. Just like you said, if
you were a suit you you want to project something.
If you're in a band, you will get a leave tattoo.
And you're a drummer in a band, and it's cool.

(01:14:06):
You know you smoke cigarettes or whatever it is that
you know you wear, you wear your hair long, or
it's a great it's it's a really good point. Then
thanks for the call. It's a great point. Like everybody says,
don't judge a book by its cover, but the entire
fashion industry is predicated on the idea that you should
judge a book by its cover. People get tattoos, so
people will judge them for getting tattoos, right, send a

(01:14:29):
message about what they do. Go up to a bar
and order a drink. That drink that you were ordering
is sending a message about you. Right, it's a great point.
People say, oh, don't judge a book by its cover.
The entire fashion industry is predicated on judging a book
by its cover. It's because fashion is aware that's what

(01:14:49):
we do as humans. I always like to use the
courtroom as an example. If you're a defendant and you
want to show up in shorts and flip flops and
sit in front of the jury and argue that you
didn't do it, your conviction rate is gonna skyrocket because
the jury is going to sit there and say, this
dude isn't even willing to put a suit on to
tell me that he didn't commit this crime. He's guilty. Now.

(01:15:10):
Is that rational? No, you're judging a book by its cover.
It's a great point, uh niem I in Cincinnati, what's up? Yeah?
And my last point I wanted to make about the
officers killing black people. I'm an African American and I
am just getting so tired of hearing about officers killing
black people. Yes, officers killed blacks white his feelings. They

(01:15:32):
kill everybody, should they know, unless the self defense. But
in Chicago over the weekend, I believe it's I'm not mistaken.
Chen shootings were happened in Chicago where people got murdered
by black people. Have you heard anything about it? Yet
the first time. First time honestly is from you. Yeah,
it happened over the weekend. Uh ten murders. So the

(01:15:56):
Black Lives Matter, which, hey, that's a good group growing
up there. And do what you gotta do. Don't just
aiming at one group, which is a police officer. You've
got to be fair about this team. It's a great call.
It's a great call in the look, that's my argument.
I wish the police officers never had to shoot anybody.
I did not really understand what police officers did until
I went to law school and then I did a

(01:16:17):
right around. You know, it's funny. I was flying back,
um from Chicago actually to Nashville on Saturday, and I
got to talk to a guy who would just came
over and said, he listens to the show, big fan,
and he's a sergeant in Nashville. And I hear from
police officers all the time all over the country who
listened to this show, and they say, man, you don't
understand how much more difficult our job has gotten as

(01:16:38):
all these protests have happened. Said, look, every day, and
I guarantee you right now there's a police officer listening
to this show in all fifty states right now, either
going to or from work, maybe taking a break, and
they are not in their heads right now to me,
and they're saying, Man, this idea that police officers are
trying to target and kill people of minority UH backgrounds

(01:17:02):
is so flagrantly untrue yet believed by so many people
that is leading to the death of hundreds, if not thousands,
of more black people than otherwise would have happened. This
is the same opinion, by the way, that James Comey,
the FBI Director, has, I don't think it's that political
or that controversial. He said. You look at the murder
rates in Baltimore, Chicago, St. Louis, all the cities where
people have been the most active in these protests, and

(01:17:25):
the murder rates have skyrocketed because police officers who have
been protecting black lives are not trusted in those communities,
because people are believing falsehoods, and as a result, more
people are dead. If Black Lives matter, truly, the worst
thing that has happened to black lives is the Black
Lives Matter movement. You look at the statistics, that's true.
I'm Clay Travis. You listen to the covered Jason Whitlock

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this Michael Vick comment. We're gonna talk to Jason Whitlock
next segment. Uh, he's the one who had Michael Vick

(01:19:14):
on his show, speak for yourself. Here's what Michael Vick said.
The first thing Colin Kaepernick needed to do in order
to get a job, first thing we've got to get
calling to do is cut his head. You know what
I mean. Listen, I'm not up here to try to
be politically correct. But you know, even if he puts
corn rows and I don't think he should represent himself,
you know, in that way in terms of you know,

(01:19:36):
just a halfstyle, just go clean cut. You know, why not?
You know, you're already dealing with a lot, lot of
controversy surrounding this issue. You know, just try to be presentable.
Let's go to Eric and Kalamazoo. He's at barber. Eric,
what do you think, man, I'm sitting back listening and
like I said, I'm a barber. I work in the industry,

(01:19:58):
so I can I got a real editive effective about
all that. Um, they probably wouldn't killed if he cut
his hair. Humes, who is this static thing who would
go in the Middle Passage? Please go to your statistics
about how many black people got killed during the Middle Passage.
A lot of black people died during the days of slavery,

(01:20:19):
There's no doubt about that. A lot of Jews died
during the Holocaust. Bad things have happened in the country.
You get that together because you got the other stand
to talk about bees and all that kind of stuff.
Throw that out there, and that's the deaf man award
that brought the slaves a little wrong. Them guys that
was the slave captain had that long there, like Jordan Washington.
You know you all that, Hey, Eric, who who sold

(01:20:41):
the slaves on the Middle Passage. I wasn't love the
statistic frows. Yeah, but I mean like people always like
to go to read a great book now. It's called
The Better Angels of Our Nature and it kind of
examines rates of violence in America. I've tweeted out a
link to that book. It's a fantastic book. It looks
at rates of violence across the world, ranks the twenty
one worst things that have ever happened in the history

(01:21:02):
of man's in humanity demand um, you know, and includes
World War Two and all the millions of people. I
just said, I was over at the at d Day
Beaches seeing America fighting against the Nazis and not here
arguing that America has a perfect history of flawless treatment
in fact Middle Passage. Certainly, the people who have the

(01:21:23):
biggest gripe in America today are Native Americans because they're
basically were exterminated from the country. Of course, nobody talks
about them because they're on very many of them left.
But certainly there are everyone in the world who lives
in any part of the world has been involved in
that country or that region or that continent in atrocity,
and many places still have bad things going on. Having

(01:21:45):
said that, there's not a better place to be in
the world today, for anybody of any race, gender, ethnicity, religion,
uh at all. And then America today, I believe that.
I think that's true. So what else do you want?
Everybody's thought? Well along that when the British invasement happened,
remember that. Yeah, I wasn't alive then, but I understand
that's what happened. So but so I said, I said

(01:22:08):
that I would tell my kids that they were trying
to get a job, they were eighteen or twenty two
years old, graduating from high school or college, that they
should get a haircut. You're a barber, you think that's
bad advice? Is that racist of me to tell my
kids they should get a haircut? I want to want
to hold that point. I want to go to the courtroom,
your favorite place. The way you win that case. You
had your lawyer found out the history of the racist
cop that's been having a pattern of behavior, and you

(01:22:30):
you did introduce that in court that you think black
people are you think that that police are trying to
kill black people? Eric, you think every day they wake
up just to win a court case, not to run.
It's not going to surprise you, but I would. I'm
incredible and you going through the history of the police
that you in you in court with, and he found
out that he has a pattern of behavior in the history.

(01:22:52):
That's what you show court to win that case. You
know that. Come on, not just we're not talking about that.
We gotta hang up. We gotta hang up on Eric.
That Eric calls in, I have no idea where he's
gonna go. I gotta be honest with you. I did
not think that the caller is gonna call in today
and asked me what my opinion was of the Middle
Passage of the African slave trade. I think it was bad.
For the record, I'm anti slavery. I wish that slavery

(01:23:14):
had not existed. I have tremendous amounts of white guilt
over slavery existing, even though to my knowledge, I did
not have any ancestors who were rich enough to own slaves.
Even though to my knowledge, Nathan Bedford Forrest, who began
the KKK, actually killed my great great great uncle, no

(01:23:36):
great great great grandfather in hand to hand combat. He
fought for the Union in Kentucky. Nathan bed for Force,
founder of the KKK, actually killed him. I have running
in my body blood from somebody who was killed by
the founder of the KKK. But for the record, I
am opposed to slavery, also anti death, anti cancer. I

(01:23:59):
hate all of those things more than you. I support
the troops. I think that apple pie is great. I
think the American flag looks incredible. Only two things I
will support, though, and I've said this for a long time,
the First Amendment and Boobs. Neither one has ever led
me astray. I love them both deeply, the very essence

(01:24:23):
of my being. Scott and de Moine, what's up? What's up?
It's honor to talk to the Grand Dragon today. I
didn't I didn't know David Duke had his own show now,
but well, you know, I appreciate that woman calling it
in Berkeley and saying like you chose to do, like,
like it's amazing. Like I gotta give credit to Fox
Sports Radio because they said, what kind of show you
want to do? I said, I want to do a

(01:24:43):
KKK sports talk radio show, and they're like, you know what,
you are a genius. That's a great idea. We hope
you're going to do the show in the hood every morning.
I said, you know what sold now the ratings are following,
so I mean, obviously there's a huge market for it.
So I appreciate the woman in Berkeley calling in and
pointing out my business strategy. Yeah, she's a She's that
kind of got me set off. I was going to
call in and make fun of porn stashes there for
a while, but uh, now, I guess I got a

(01:25:05):
comment on the socioeconomic impact of grooming habits and the work.
What's your opinion? What's your opinion's got on slavery. I'm
assuming you're opposed to it, but I want you to
make it clear before you start your opinion on anything else,
like your anti slavery. I'm very anti slavery. Yeah, well,
I appreciate that you're very anti slavery, but I hate
slavery more than anyone. That's how you getta like the president. Now,
if you're a Democrat, you say like things like I

(01:25:26):
hate slavery. I hate racism more than anyone, and so
I appreciate the fact that you hate it, but I
hate it more than you. Good. Well, you're from the South,
I think, aunt, so I'm up North. We uh you know,
we fought against it. But anyway, so well, I guess
speaking on the the the trends of of faithful hair.
I mean, you know, I think maybe the politicians had
a bit of a hangover from fighting the Civil War

(01:25:47):
against all those bearded generals from the South, and maybe
that's why we don't, you know, we don't think it's
a favorable look, like you know, like we're killed. Don't
you think anymore? You think about this. The only person
and I've seen try to bring back the Hitler stashes
Michael Jordan. Remember Michael Jordan was doing those Hanes commercials.
The Hitler was such a reviled person about this. Think
about how crazy this is. I appreciate the calls, guy

(01:26:09):
appreciate I think about how crazy this is Adolf Hitler.
And again I was just there at Normandy watching the beaches.
We kicked Hitler's ass, made him kill himself. But he
was such an ass that he killed that style of mustache.
That's what That's how much of an ass Hitler was.
He killed a popular style of mustache, like Charlie Chaplin

(01:26:30):
had the same kind of mustache as Hitler back in
the day. The only person I've seen try to bring
back the Hitler stashes Michael Jordan's. And I think that's
just because Michael Jordan's so cocky because he's like, hey,
I made male pattern baldness the most attractive look for
black men. Michael Jordan's like, yeah, I dunked from the
free throw line. Yeah, I won six titles in eight years.

(01:26:51):
But I think the most remarkable thing Michael Jordan did
was make black dudes who had normal hair shave it
off to look like a bald dude. And think about
how amazing that move is for Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan's
was so cool that black guys with hair were like,
I gotta look like a dude who doesn't have hair.
He made male pattern baldness cool for black people. It's
like if George Costanza was so popular with white people

(01:27:15):
that white dudes like me who have spectacular hair were
just like, you know what, if I want some chick
to bang me, I gotta shave my head. I gotta
look like a bald dude. It's like if Mr Clean
was so popular with white people that everybody's like, I
gotta look like that cleaning dude. I gotta look like Mr. Clean.
That's how popular Michael Jordan was. He even I think
so cocky that he decided he was gonna try to

(01:27:35):
bring back the Hitler stash in those Hanes commercials hadn't
worked yet. Also hate Hitler more than any of you.
That's the truth, Dustin and Kentucky. Some of you like
Hitler more than I do because I hate it more
than anybody. That's just the truth, Dustin and Kentucky. What's up?
How I'm as hope if black lives matters in this movement? Wo?

(01:28:03):
I just looked up the statistics Chicago. Black people have
been killed this year in Chicago nine back on black
craft and say, hey, wet because it's it's a great point.
It's easier, Thanks for the call. It's easier to say
somebody else is to blame for your problems than it

(01:28:24):
is to look internally and try to address problems yourself.
This is true for everybody, right, people in America today,
in particular, I want to always blame external factors for
why they don't have success. Right. It's a lot easier
to blame somebody else for why you don't succeed than
to blame yourself. Like I'll give you an example. Last night,
I wanted to stay up and watch House of Cards

(01:28:45):
on Netflix. You know what I did? I went to
bed because my alarm is going to go off at
four am because I got a job and I gotta
be up early. A lot of you all over the
country feel the same way. There are lots of things
you would rather do than be doing the job that
you're doing now. But I'm of the opinion people say
this is conservative belief. I'm of the opinion that the
only hand you can rely on is the one at
the end of your sleeve. Percent of all problems that

(01:29:08):
people feel like they have in this country would be
addressed if they just looked internal and tried to solve
the problems for themselves. That's my belief. People say that's conservative.
They said, it's crazy. That's what I believe. Let me
get your calls in there. We're gonna go to Jason
went like Kelvin and South Carolina, what's up, Kelvin la
um pleasant speaking with you? Love the show them. I'm

(01:29:29):
a thirty three I'm a thirty three old black male,
and it always bothers me how easily my people get
bothered by by a small thing. Um what I have
no problem with? Said what Dick said? Um if Colin,
even if Colin uh really wants to get into political
round his black liberal protition went was wanting to tell

(01:29:51):
him to cut his hair because it looks more to them,
and it's it's that's a great point, you know, like
Martin Luther King was the most effective black leader in
the history of the country. He didn't have an afro,
you know. And and Kelvin, it's a great stat Like
there's a great book called Parting the Waters and said
three volume magisterial look at the civil rights movement, written
by Taylor Branch And one of the most intriguing elements

(01:30:12):
of that was and I didn't know this beforehand, you know,
Rosa Parks wasn't the first woman to refuse to give
up her seat in the Montgomery bus boycott down in Alabama.
And I didn't notice there were a couple of other
women who did it before. And the group that Martin
Luther King was leading the protest with, they looked at
those women's background, and a couple of the different women

(01:30:33):
were unmarried and had children, and they said, we don't
want an unmarried woman with a child to be the
face of our bus boycott. We want somebody like Rosa
Parks who has an unimpeccable sterling character and doesn't have
any negatives in her background to be the focal point
of our protests. So everybody says, oh, Rosa Parks refused

(01:30:54):
to give up her seat and set off the civil
rights movement. There were actually other women that did it,
four rows of Parks that didn't have her background. People say, oh,
why does that matter. It's because people attach belief based
on the narrative of the person that is advancing it.
And that's kind of what you're hitting at, right. I mean,
if Colin Kaepernick wants to be a political activist, one

(01:31:15):
of the first things he's gonna have to do to
appeal and broaden his base is give up the AFRO exactly,
and and and even actually a little the Park situation.
She also had ties to the n double app as well.
And just just hitting on your your example of telling
your kids about cleaning up their look when they go
for a job job interview. I had a recent job

(01:31:36):
interview with a with a white supervisor who was impressed
by my look. And in the interview, he was telling
me about about a white guy who was uncounted. His
hair was all over the place and now he was
just completely thrown off about it, and he was qualified
on just basically on how he look. So it's not
a it's not a it's not a racial thing. It's

(01:31:56):
an apparent. Yeah. So I just I just think I
appreciate your take on everything, and yeah, I appreciate the
call it look. I mean that's why I said, if
my kids are you don't have to follow the advice.
By the way, like a lot of you have dads
or moms who have given into advice that you didn't
listen to. And you know what, a lot of you

(01:32:17):
also as you got older, you're like, you know what,
I probably should have listened to dad or mom. They've
been through a few more battles than I have. I'm
not saying my kids are gonna listen, but I'm saying
when they're eighteen or twenty two and they're going out
to go on the job interview process, I'm gonna say, hey,
get your hair cut high and tight. Probably don't have
facial hair. You're looking for a job, you want to

(01:32:38):
give somebody as many reasons as possible to hire you.
And if you have a trustworthy physical appearance, that helps
you in terms of being considered trustworthy. And how what
do we consider trustworthy. Not tattoos on the face, not afros,
not hair hanging down all the way to your midsection

(01:32:58):
of your back. Not a mullet, right like, unless you're
Mike Gundi, I think most guys out there would say,
you know what, I don't think it's gonna be the
best advice to go get a job. You know, if
you have a mullet, so's not gonna work. Try that, somebody.
We need to like the conducting experiment. Go get hired

(01:33:19):
at a law firm or an engineering firm and walk
in and say, Hey, just so you know, I'm real serious.
From the front, I got this great normal haircut, but
I got a party going on behind. But I want
you to know I'm only gonna be forward facing for
your company. But as soon as I leave, I'm headed

(01:33:39):
straight to the lake, putting on my cut off jean
shorts and my tank top, and I'm breaking out my
bush light and I'm drinking like a madman. After me,
come after the mullet up Next, it's Jason Whitlock. We're
gonna talk. He's the guy who had Michael Vick on
when Michael Vick said something crazy. Easy guy who needs

(01:34:01):
a job, should get a haircut, and all of a
sudden it's blown up and everybody's all up in arms.
Oh my god, What did Jason Whitlock think? What does
Jason Whitlock think about that? In general? You guys love him.
He's up next at Whitlock Jason on Twitter. I am
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(01:34:21):
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say at Whitlock Jason on Twitter, Jason Whitlock, speak for yourself.
F S one, Jason, you basically, uh, I'm curious on
how this kind of came about. Thanks for joining us

(01:34:42):
getting up early on the West coast when you asked
him this question, did you know what his answer was
going to be? No, I had no idea, you know
I have. I'm fill there for Cowherd earlier on Cowherd
Radio show and we talked about Kylan Capern and he
said some interesting things, including you know, he didn't think

(01:35:04):
Colin was blackballed by the NFL. He thought his performance
is the reason why he's not in the NFL. But no,
I had no idea what his responsible company. And I
was surprised when he said, you know, hey, first thing
he needs to do is cut his here. I was,
I was shocked. You were shocked, because true honesty is rare,
and you and I both know that, right, and I

(01:35:26):
and I loved about the interview, and I went back
and watched it, and I texted you and I said, man,
this was fantastic. It was about four minutes and fifty seconds.
I'll retweet the full clip that speak for yourself put
out because I like to put the full context in
play here. But you followed up and said, and I
loved that. He said, Yeah, this is what I would
tell him if I were sitting across the table from him.
I'm not speaking out a turn. I'm telling him the

(01:35:47):
straight truth. And that's rare. Right, True honesty is rare
in today's media society, and especially in sports media. It's
very rare. And you know, again, earlier on the Herd,
we talked about his background and the trouble he got
into and going to prison or what. And he was
very honest then and told me then, no, no, no,

(01:36:10):
you know we can keep it a hundred. You know,
ask me anything. I got nothing to hide. And so
I think that's part of who Mike Vicky is is that,
you know, part of his rehabilitation, part of his evolution,
you know, as a man, was that like, no, no,
I'm going to tell people exactly what I think all

(01:36:31):
the time. And I'm not because you know, I just
most people are sitting there thinking about, oh my god,
how's Twitter going to react to this if I really
say what I think? And you know, I just think
Mike doesn't care. He just his whole agenda was like, no, no,

(01:36:52):
I really care about Colin Capernick. So I'm gonna tell
you exactly what I would tell Colin Capertick if I
were sitting across as from him and trying to give
him advice on how to handle his situation and get
back in the NFL. What do you think of the advice?
I think it makes total sense. I think that look, man,

(01:37:14):
it's advice your parents give kids all the time. Uh,
you know, my dad rest his fees. Uh, you know,
I'm fifty years old. My dad died three years ago.
You know, up until his last breath, he was commenting on, hey, Jason,
you need to dress this way, you need to do this,

(01:37:36):
you need to do that. Uh, it's sound advice. That's
in Colin's best interest. How your appearance makes a difference
on how people perceive you. And you know, it's clear
if Colin Cowher, if Colin Kaepernick were honest, he would
admit he's trying to make some statement with his hair. Uh.

(01:38:02):
And you know the statement he's making isn't hey, look
how professional and corporate and buttoned up. I look, you know,
with his hair, he's trying to say, look, I'm basically
again he's out there in San Francisco, was it's it's
the Angela Davis black Panther, I got the big fro. Uh. Look,

(01:38:26):
he's trying to look militant and black and look, he
has every right to do that. He can do that,
but major corporations, like an NFL franchise have a right
to say, you know, you know, I'm not sure if
that's the look we want for our quarterback. If Colin

(01:38:47):
Kaepernick was as good as Aaron Rodgers wouldn't matter what
his hair looked like. No, no, he could, you know,
were a big wig, he could, you know, it wouldn't matter.
And that's again, you have to know your place and
your station in any corporation. You have to have you
know some common sense about you and understand where you're

(01:39:08):
at in your career and how the rules apply to
you depending upon your performance. We're talking to Jason Whitlock.
Great show. Speak for yourself. I encourage you guys. Check
it out. It's on FS one every afternoon. You can
follow him on Twitter at Whitlock Jason. If you enjoy
the conversation, reach out and let him know what you think.
What if I had said the exact same thing as
Michael Vick on your show, Uh, there would be a

(01:39:30):
lot of pushback. And look, there's a lot of pushback
going on with Michael Vick. I mean people on social media.
People are going nuts. And now Michael Vick is a sellout.
Now he's anti black. Now he's saying whatever you know
for corporate white approval or whatever. It's all nonsense. Had

(01:39:51):
if you did it, they'd call you racist, and you know,
the response might be a bit more amplified. But look, man,
you know, shortly after Michael Vick said this and people
call wind of it, he was trendy all over Twitter,
and most of the feedback over Twitter was negative because again,
if you make the mistake of giving someone black good

(01:40:16):
advice in a public space, Twitter is gonna go after you.
Now if if you give someone black bad advice, Twitter
will applaud it. But people just haven't figured that out that.
You know, Twitter is uh, you know, the Twitter has
this reputation to being pro black, and there's black Twitter,

(01:40:39):
and you know, if you really sit down and look
at it, to me, Twitter's anti black, and you know,
Twitter is the police making sure no one gives anyone
black good advice. That's a fascinating comment because when I
saw this, I said, you know what, and you mentioned
your dad. I had long hair and I was in

(01:41:00):
high school and my my dad said, you want to get
a job, you need to get your hair cut. Like
my hair went down to my shoulders, right. I mean,
I think there's a lot of people listening to us
right now. And when you're a kid, you're like, oh,
my dad doesn't know what he's talking about. Oh, you know,
like I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna
be me. I'm not gonna sell whatever. You whatever perspective
you have when you're a kid, you tend to rebel
a little bit more whatever. And then when you get
older and you have kids on your own, you sit
back and you say, man, it's amazing how much smarter

(01:41:22):
my dad got in the last five years. Right. And
and it's because your perspective will shift. You know. I
always talk about this now when I watch a movie,
let's say that has a father son relationship. For most
of my life, I'm the son. Right now I see
both the father and the son relationship, and it changes
your perspective. And and so I I don't see this
as remotely controversial advice. Uh. We were talking earlier on

(01:41:46):
the show. You know that I'm a history guy, and uh,
I was fascinated. And I think we've talked about this.
Even when the Civil rights movement happened and began in Montgomery,
they chose Rosa Parks to be the face of the
civil rights movement because she was a woman who was
unmarried and without children, and they thought that she was
a religious woman. She was that they knew that she
would be a good face for the civil rights movement.

(01:42:09):
She was not the first woman to refuse to give
up her seat. There were other people who had done it.
They picked her because she was the best face. Martin
Luther King didn't have a huge afro because he was
trying to not just appeal to black people, he was
trying to compeal to the common humanity of white people
as well. That are those are conscious decisions to allow
you to be more effective in the way that you
get your message out. I think that's exactly what Michael

(01:42:31):
Vick was saying. And I'm just fascinated by what you're
pointing out the reaction on Twitter, which is encouraging Colin
Kaepernick to do things that make him less effective. Yes, listen,
I look, everybody isn't on Twitter. You know, very few
people actually are on Twitter. But the media is addicted

(01:42:54):
to Twitter, and we over index in our participation in Twitter,
and uh so Twitter has a lot and and over
uh too much influence over the media. And to me,
and I say this in all seriousness, I'm just if

(01:43:15):
you give someone black, if you say something that is
pro black, that is sound advice that makes total rational sense.
The same advice you would give a white person or
any other ethnic group, Twitter will completely trash you. And
it's because Twitter is rigged up and has been in

(01:43:39):
some way set up where where black people think, if
we just come on here and do the opposite of
what is mainstream and common sense, somehow that advances the
cause of blackness, and it shows how black we are.
And look how black I am over Twitter. And it's

(01:44:03):
like we've been brain washed into doing the opposite of
what's good for us, and brain washed into being against
anything that actually is good for us and makes sense
for us moving into the mainstream or advancing or evolving.
It's the wildest thing, man. And so yeah, Michael Vick's

(01:44:27):
advice not remotely controversial. It's exactly you know, Michael Vick
is either close to forty or is forty. It's the
advice someone old and old and wise and mature and
someone who's overcome the kind of mistakes Michael Vicks has
made would give any young person. But oh my god,

(01:44:49):
it's the worst thing in the world. And now he's
a sellout and he's he's for the man because he's
actually given Colin Kaepernick the kind of advice he needs
you got a few more minutes for us. I gotta
hit trending right here. All right, let's go to trending now.
Flip side will continue with Jason Whitlock. Firstly, we've got
to get cotton and do us cut his head? You
know what I mean? Listen, I'm not up here to

(01:45:09):
try to be politically correct. But you know, even if
he puts corn rows and I don't think he should
represent himself, you know, in that way in terms of
you know, just a half style, just go clean cut,
you know, why not? You know, you're already dealing with
a lot, a lot of controversies surrounding this issue. You know,
just try to be presentable. Loved it. That was Michael

(01:45:30):
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Getting his own Auto Zone, Uh, we said. We started
this conversation by saying when I read when I saw this,
I was like, man, God bless Colin Kaepernick, are being
completely honest on sports television, which is so rare. When
he said it, when you finished the show, did you
pull him aside and say, hey, I just want you
to know I think you're right, but don't tech don't

(01:46:11):
check your Twitter mentions? Did you? Did he know what
he what he had said was going to cause the
uproar that it did. Well, you gotta remember I had
talked to him before the Herd. I talked to him
on the herd uh for two segments to kept him
a long time, and so by the time he said this,
I was surprised, but I was like, no, no, uh,

(01:46:34):
Michael Vick knows exactly what he's doing and he doesn't care.
So no, we didn't say anything. Uh we actually, you know,
just slap five and you know, I think we probably
took some picture. Michael Vick is one of the few
athletes that I really really have an affinity before. Uh So,

(01:46:54):
it's like I wanted to take a picture with Michael
Vick because again, there are very few athletes his struggle.
The I didn't like Michael Vick when he played in Atlanta,
and I was critical of it. I was like, man,
he's blowing his talent. He's doing things that make me
concerned about him. Just the swagger he carried himself with.

(01:47:17):
I thought he was headed for trouble once he got
in trouble. Because of issues in my family and family
members that have been incarcerated. I just became very pro
Michael Vick because I wanted him to experience success after incarceration,
because I know how hard it is to transition back

(01:47:39):
into society after incarceration. And I just became a huge
Michael Vick fan. And then I just thought the way
he handled things in Philadelphia when he with Andy Reid,
I just thought was tremendous. The leader he became, the
player he became. H you know, it wasn't so much
about football, is just the way he handled the burden

(01:48:00):
of being an ex con and the way he became
his his relationship with Tony Dungey and just this evolution
I saw him going through I just, you know, flat out,
I just love Michael Vick and what he represents the
stands for, and so I had not And again I
didn't know that he would be this kind of transparent

(01:48:21):
and and outspoken, but you know, just a fan of
Michael Vicken. When when you played that clip, Clay, one
of the things I was thinking just listening to that
myself and over again, and I mean I saw a lot.
The first thing that came to my mind was David
Stern and the NBA dress and it was I can

(01:48:44):
remember when he instituted the dress code. There were people
in the media, Oh, this is racist, and how can
these guys should be able to wear their white T
shirts and do whatever they wanted to fish And I
was like, nah, man, David Stern is giving the exact
advice that you in that my father gave me every
day of my life. Maybe need to dress better, you

(01:49:04):
need to put a suit on. And just last week,
talking to uh, the people on my team on Speak
for Yourself, that was part of the conversation I had
with them. I was talking about myself, like, man, we
need to dress better when we come to work, you know,
because I wear sweats a lot, and the people on
our staff were kind of casual, and I was like,

(01:49:27):
you know what, once a week we all need to,
you know, wear sports coats and come in here dressed like,
you know, dress for success, because that is a mentality
that when you dress nice, it puts you in a
different mindset. And with the young NBA players, once they
started wearing suits and caring about how they appear coming

(01:49:51):
to work, it changed their mentality and gave them a
more professional mentality, and it was part of what David
Stern wanted to create a co you're where if you're
in the right business mindset, you're a lot less likely
to do stupid things at work, like get in fights
or just anything. And so, uh, look, man, again, it

(01:50:16):
goes back to if you make the mistake of giving
black people advice that's actually in their best interest and
moving forward, you're gonna get a lot of blowbacks and
pushback for doing it, for making that mistake. Last question
for you, do you think Michael Vick will walk back

(01:50:37):
these comments or do you think he'll Because I hate
I when somebody says something controversial and they're completely honest.
I hate when they walk him back, like to me,
you know this, you do it, I do it unless
I truly misspoke. I don't apologize for what my opinion is.
I say, look, I said it, I meant it. You
may not agree with it, but move on, either accept
it or don't. Do you think Michael Vick will walk

(01:50:58):
these comments back in any way? I don't, Uh, And
I don't because again it's not because I know Mike Vick. Well,
it's not because I think he's triving his opinion. But
just in the moment I asked him on the show,
I was like, well, hold on, man, you know what
are you gonna say the people to think you're being
a seller? And he goes, no, man, I always keep

(01:51:20):
it real. This is exactly what I would tell Colin
if we were face to face. And so I don't
think he left himself a lot of room to walk
him back. You know, he had an opportunity to speak
for yourself to walking back, and he didn't. And he said, no, no,
this is what I would tell, uh, Michael Vick. And

(01:51:41):
again I don't think Mike or what I would tell
Colin Kaepernick. I don't think Michael Vick. I think he's
on social media I don't think in this instance he cares.
He only cares about Colin Kaepernick, and he would like
to see Colin happened to get back in the NFL.

(01:52:02):
And actually, and I've been very critical of Colin Kaepernick,
but it's because I would like to say and get
back in the NFL and have success and actually try to.
He wants some positive change in America, and I'm pro
him being a part of that, but there's a way
to do it, and he's chosen an ineffective way to

(01:52:26):
promote the kind of change that he wants. And I
think the change that he wants is positive. But the
guy just needs some mature advice and some discipline about
how he goes about it. I think he's too emotional
about it. I think that his identity issues are so
powerful because of his unique upbringing that you know, we're

(01:52:50):
watching the guy evolve and understand his blackness and deal
with his blackness in real time. Uh, and you it's awkward,
and it's it's it's messy. You know, most people get
to deal with these issues that he's dealing with him private.
He's dealing with them publicly. It's his choice. But again, no,

(01:53:11):
I don't. I don't think Mike Vix walking to anything
back and North should he outstanding stuff. Go follow Jason
Whitlock at Whitlock Jason, watch speak for yourself. Great segment.
Like I said, best compliment I can give anybody a
media is it was a honest and that's what I
thought when I watched this interview. Great stuff. Go follow again,
Jason Whitlock at Whitlock Jason. Final segment of the show.

(01:53:34):
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one of the things that we started doing on this
show about a year ago when we laun was I said,
I want callers to be a massive part of this show.
And if you listen to the show on Monday, you'll
notice that we didn't have a single guest. If you
listen to the show. This week, you'll notice that the
only guest we had was Jason Whitlock. Now every day

(01:54:15):
is gonna be a little bit different. But what I
want is for you guys to be a big part
of the show, so much so that we recently added
a ton of phone lines. I think we can take
like twelve calls all at once, which is a lot, right,
I mean, and you guys are constantly loading up to phones.
And I want to give you guys out there in
the listening audience a big compliment because the quality of
the conversation even if you don't agree with me, Like

(01:54:37):
I say, you don't have to agree with me. You
can be wrong even if you don't agree with me.
The quality of the calls has been increasing, I think
fairly substantially. Like Jason Martin, do you see that fielding
the calls? Do you feel like there's a better quality
of caller now? Yeah, they've started to get used to
the show. You know, there were some struggles there. For
the first two or three months. You would have a

(01:54:57):
sprinkling of really good calls, and then you'd have a
lot of stuff where it would get off the air
and you're like, ah, you know, I was kind of
hoping that was gonna be better, But I would say
now it's kind of shifted to where three out of
four calls are generally at least something that's advancing the discussion,
even if it's something I or you or anybody else
out there is completely in disagreement with. It just continues

(01:55:17):
to move things along. Like the callers have kind of
they get the show now, and I think that that's important.
And that's why as we added these lines and they're
jammed up, most of the people I'm talking to who
I get to talk to them a little bit more
detail in the screening process. There's just a different class
of caller that's calling in terms of the intellect required
to get on this show. And I think that it's
benefiting all of us really because the show has just

(01:55:40):
been very, very interesting, very entertaining, and most importantly, it's
been smart. Yeah, and look, I apologize to Ricky in
North Carolina and Dan and St. Louis. They hung with
us a long time. Call back in tomorrow will make
sure that we get you. I appreciate you guys calling in.
The other thing I would say that you guys can
do is part of kind of the OutKick Army, and
part of the growth of this show is when you
like the guys that we have on or girls that

(01:56:01):
we have on his guests, reach out to them on
social media at whitlock Jason, if you enjoyed our conversation,
we just had let him know pop onto Twitter, tell
him thanks for coming on and really enjoyed you on
out Kick. That makes a difference to guests because they
know how many people are listening. We know we've got
a massive audience in all fifty states, but when guests
here it, it does make a big difference. That's how
you can help out the show. You don't have to
agree or disagree with the guest, but just let him

(01:56:22):
know you were listening, uh and say something that they
heard that you enjoyed. I appreciate all of you. Will
be back tomorrow, same Bat time, same bat channel six
to nine am Eastern on Fox Sports Radio.

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