July 12, 2024 • 37 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams are flirting with tampering accusations. Bill Belichick continues to stretch his broadcast legs with CW’s “Inside the NFL.” Brady and LaVar pay respects to Monte Kiffin and much more!
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this time of year. There's always different ways you can
take a sports talk radio show.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Sometimes there's events that take place.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Sometimes it's simply just what some guys are saying because
they're out around the media. And one guy who always
makes waves is Aaron Rodgers, who's playing out at the
Tahoe with AC or AT and T Championship. He will
be out there today for the first round. I would
to be shocked if he's not in the mix. He's
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a pretty good golfer. But what's drawn a lot more
attention is his open play to play once again with
DeVante Adams or Tay Adams.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
As they would call them.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Where Aaron Rodgers is now with the New York Jets,
Devanta Adams is now with the Las Vegas Raiders, both
under contract. This is the sort of thing that typically
would get the questions about tampering right when you've got
one players trying to essentially recruit or talk about playing
with another player. But it doesn't seem like we're there
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quite yet. But knowing the end of it's almost like
he's pushing the boundaries or pushing the NFL to see
how far he could take things before they do do
something like that.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Man, first thing I think of is, yeah, you do
need Davonte Adams. I mean, they have some some pretty
good ball players, but I mean you had a guy
like Davonte Adams, I probably would I probably would change
my opinion on on their outcomes. I think that he
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obviously still has that that type of playmaking ability where
he can he can change change your team. So of
course he's, you know, going to talk about his old teammate,
and they had some really good years together. I mean,
he became one of the top, if not the top
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receiver for a time in the NFL when he was
with Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. So you know, I
wouldn't be surprised, you know, to hear him speak glowingly.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
H you know, Tay Adams.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
But it's one of those things, you know, I'll say this,
this is one time where it's like, ah, it's only
because it's Aaron Rodgers. I don't I don't know specific
I don't think we have sound on it or anything
like that. But I don't know in particular exactly what
he said. Q. But of course you're gonna talk highly
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about the guy that that helped you have some really
really good seasons and get to MVP, you know, status
in in the league.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Actually, I believe we do have some sign if I'm
not mistaken, Lee, Do we do have some sound on this?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Do you think Luke Getzi's gonna utilize Debunte Adams good
in the New Raiders offense. I love Luke Getzi. He's
a fantastic coach. Awesome, I loved. I can't wait to
play with him outside of Yeah, I mean I'll have
a problem with that.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Do you think it's gonna give you to tampering though?
I mean it's like people like, what a second? I mean,
by the way, why did journalists not just do their
job anymore?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Like?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Was there a follow up when he says when he
says something like that, you can wait a second. What
do you guys playing again? You're playing golf together in
this turnament? You mean you're playing in New York together?
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (04:17):
And I think that that's Aaron that you know, that's
how Aaron Rodgers answered the whole you know, vaccinations deal
and immunization and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I mean, he's pretty creative.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
I don't think you can say that's tampering because you
don't know. They could be playing cards, they could be
playing darts, they could be playing pool. You know, you
could take in context and say I can't wait till
we play again. But does that mean he's leaving the
Jets and they're going to meet somewhere else?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Is he going to the Raiders. You know, I don't.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I think he's creative enough in what he said that
it's so open ended that it's not something that you
could penned down to saying, Okay, he's trying to get
him to the New York Jets, even though that's what
it sounded like, right, I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I'm not saying he's trying to get him there.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I think we all know behind the scenes he's set
it dinner for a while, and I think depending on
how things go. And that's why we've talked about the
Las Vegas Raiders for the past couple of days, probably now,
and what's going to happen there, because there is this
assumption that you've got DeVante Adams, who's still one of
the top receivers in the league, and it's there are
I mean, obviously he's needed in Las Vegas. He's he'd
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be needed on most rosters. But when you've got a
quarterback situation, one that doesn't look as I mean obviously
not as appetizing as that is when Aaron Rodgers, right,
you know, you're sitting there saying to yourself, like, where
can I go finish my career and be the player
that I want? To be and the Jets maybe provide
him that opportunity to team back up once again with
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Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
And how would they do it? How would they do it?
Straightway future pitch?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I mean that you'd have to because here's the other
part of the conversation is if you do trade for him,
you know, what does that say how you feel about
Gira Wilson, who's a first round pick.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
He's on everything you'd hoped he would be.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
But I mean, like I personally look at the roster,
I don't think they necessarily need DeVante Adams would be helpful. Sure,
I mean adding Devontae Adams with Gara Wilson and Mike
Williams and you know Corley, that the young man they
took out of wester Kentucky. I mean, you've got a
bunch of pieces, There's no doubt about it. But you
could make the case that you don't really need DeVante
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Adams unless you feel like Gara Wilson isn't your number one,
which you know, I look at it and think, one,
he's so far has been that guy, and two, with
the additions of what they have, he can continue to
be that guy. So I do wonder if you know
these comments. Sometimes not to read into it too much,
because I'm sure Aaron Rodgers is always out there saying like, yeah,
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I'd love to play with the guy. But it is
something you kind of have to dissect sometimes because.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Oh, he didn't say I loved play with him. He
said I can't wait to play with him again. So
he's definitely right. I mean, he definitely put it in
a way where it should have been. It should be discussed.
There should have been a follow up question, well, when
are y'all going to play? When do you think you
guys are going to play together? Is that soon? Is
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that in a couple of years? Are you saying you're
planning on staying around in the league long enough to
actually play out your contract and him play out his
contract and you guys end up in another place. I mean,
I wonder if they're talking on the phone. I know
they talk about tampering and stuff like that, but you
can't monitor people's friendships. Yeah, if you have a friend
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that's that you played with before, you guys keep up
on you know, social or keep up on the phone,
you can't.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Call that tampering.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Yeah, how are you going to figure out where that
fine line and his crossed when guys are familiar with
one another. If you don't think that DeVante Adams and
Aaron Rodgers may have had a conversation or two about
what their circumstances are and what their situations that you
know what they are, I don't know. I mean, I
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don't know what their relationship is, but I would assume
that it was a pretty good relationship that they had.
Davante Adams said he left Green Bay because of the
front office, not because of Aaron Rodgers. So if anybody
thought that there was beef between the two of them,
there wasn't beef between the two of them. He wasn't
leaving Aaron Rodgers. So you know, I don't know, man,
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I don't know. It's interesting that he would say it, though.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I do think there was this part of Dalanta Adams
that wanted to go out and pre prove that he
was more than just, you know, a receiver who was
going to catch a bunch of passes and balls from
Aaron Rodgers. Because I think there was a thought that,
you know, Aaron Rodgers is what made Devanta Adams what
he was as a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
That was I do think there was that thought there.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I think also Devant Adams did probably what he felt
was best for him, and Aaron Rodgers probably told him like, hey,
I'm probably not gonna be much longer either, you know,
at some point out I'm gonna have to move on.
So there was all those things kind of mixed into
you know, his his final time with the Green Bay
Packers or both of them, and they're in their final
time at the Green Bay Packers. But now I think
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Devant Adams has proved that he's a number one wide
receiver regardless of who's thrown.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
In the football. And if you look at the New York.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Jets and you know, again looking at their roster, what
they're trying.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
To do, they're going all in.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
So you know, what are they willing to give up
in exchange for DeVonta Adams.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I mean, if you're the Raiders, clearly you want something
pretty substantial back in return, whether that's a boatload of
future picks, which would sometimes make sense in this scenario
because you're only operating if you're the Jets in the
window of winning right now, where you're saying I'm willing
to sacrifice or mortgage my future to load up this roster,
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make the guy who's playing quarterback, who we believe is
a generational talent happy, and they have everything he wants
to have in order to be successful.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Let me ask you this, then, why didn't they try
to make this play during draft?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
During the draft? You know, maybe they did. I mean,
that's one of the things we don't really know. I
think as we get a sneak peek behind the scenes
with the hard knocks offseason with the New York Giants,
you start to see more of some of the conversations
that happen, and maybe some of the things that happen
or don't happen the mores come out from that. So
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maybe there was a conversation, you know, maybe the Raiders
had discussions about that, Maybe the Jets had discussions about that.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
You know, it seems like they.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Were pretty intent on focusing on some other pieces, you know,
whether it was defense, whether it was.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
The offensive line.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Those things seem to be their focus on how they're
gonna build this roster. But as I sit there and
look at it, I kind of just say, yeah, if
you're the Jets, does it matter what the The two
or three years after Aaron Rodgers look like if they
win a super Bowl. You know, if you have the
success in this two or three years with Rogers at
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the end of his.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Career, live with it. Yeah, live with it. You you
live and die with it.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
And if your coach is as good as you think
he is, it might look something similar to what the
Rams are with Sean McVay, where you win a super Bowl,
you bring him at Matthew Stafford, you win a super
Bowl and then out of that you say, well, yeah,
now we have to kind of face the music some
of the cap charges, et cetera. And you lose a
you know, first ballot Hall of Famer in Aaron Donald.
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But you find these young pieces, You find guys in
the draft, you evaluate, you you develop, and you make
your team and roster back in something competitive again. You know,
That's what good coach That's what good organizations do. And
I know we've talked a lot about the Jets and
whether or not do you consider them a good organization.
I think they're trying to put themselves in a position
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to go on and there's and there's something you said
for that, because I don't feel like that's been the case.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
In past years, you sell a whole lot more tickets
if you haven't sold them. If you get Davante Adams
with Aaron Rodgers, I'll tell you that, what type of
excitement would that generate?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Non't yeah, no doubt about.
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Someone else who feels like there's a whole lot of
money in this thing is uh maybe Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Hmmm, who you know.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I'm not sure if you've seen Bill Belichick for the
Draft coverage for some of the inside the NFL stuff
he's done in the past. But it's been announced that
he will be joining inside the.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
NFL for this upcoming season. And I've said this before
and I truly mean this.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I do think this is one of those moments where
Belichick can flex his knowledge, flex his experience, everything else.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
That you know, he's he's learned, he's done.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
He can showcase to any franchise on TV to put
pressure on any coaches that are in the hot seat
in the NFL that he's still out there, he's available.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I mean, you have this unique window.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Of opportunity and very similar to what we just talked
about with Aaron Rodgers and the Jets.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You've got a three four year period where if you
bring in.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Bill Belichick, he can build this thing and he can
put together a plan that with the right piece that
I think will be one of the best in the NFL.
And so it's almost like a warning signer or alert
that like make sure he reminds everyone he's still there
and he's still lurking out there and.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Maybe once that opportunity to come back and coach again. Listen.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
I think it's a great move by the CW to
do it at that type of you know, type of
swag to your staff. I think people will be more
interested in finding the CEDW if they don't already know
where it is.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
So I think that's a great move. But one.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
This is an opportunity for Bill Belichick to show that
that knowledge and that that wisdom and not understanding of
the game show people his personality, you know it. It
has continued to kind of be that way for Tom Brady.
Now there's the opportunity for Bill Belichick and a few
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appearances that he's made in front of the camera, he's
shown a lot of personality, and for me, I would
think the estimation of that is is that the public
will get an opportunity to to get a different side
of Bill Belichick. He'd actually the way that we remember
him talking to the media and how you know, short
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he was or how difficult he was dealing with the media.
I think it will give him the opportunity to be
painted in a different light by doing a show like
this and let his personality show, which could in some
regard make it a little easier for front office people
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to not be maybe as intimidated or scared of hiring
a guy like Bill Belichick to come in and help
their team.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, I mean after having a twenty four year run
as the Patriots head coach, you know, and it's obviously
ended in a way that probably wasn't the best, you know,
and not the way he wanted ended going out on top,
and probably not the way that things ended between him
and Robert Craft. But he's gonna be making a ton
of money. I mean, if you look at you know,
him joining inside the NFL ship with it, which is
just one piece of it. Yeah, you know, he's also
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going to be joining the Manning Brothers on a reoccurring
role on ESPN's Monday Night Football. And you know there's
gonna be podcasts as well involved in all of this.
And then you even sold in the draft coverage. You know,
he came out and visit with Pat McAfee. Pat McAfee
is said openly that he'd like to have him on
once a week during the season, and so there's a
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ton of opportunity for him out there. I'm sure there's
book deals and everything else that are lining up, but
this is the sort of thing that you typically do
a post career or when you're in that space of saying,
I don't feel like I'm quite finished yet, and maybe
I'll take the right opportunity if, if it is the
right opportunity. But this is this is one of those
chances in time frames where you're looking at Bill Belichick
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saying yeah, I also think he's kind of putting a
lot of other coaches on notice. Not that he's you know,
willingly try to do that or advocating for guys to
get canned so he can take over certain jobs, but I.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Think he's somebody making sure I'll get canned. He doesn't.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
He doesn't have the politic for that's exactly going, yeah,
people don't get fired anyway.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
But I think he wants to know at his age
that he's still into the game, he still has a
ton of knowledge, he still has a ton of share
and to bring to any organization, and if he is
looking for that next spot, this is one of the
best ways to do it. You know, some coaches don't
choose to do that, you know, I think Mike Rabel
is one of the you know, the hottest head coaches
that's out there that he's not choosing to do a
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bunch of TV.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
You don't hear his name thrown into that, it's just
not really him. Isn't he working with a team?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Isn't he like the team's he was consulting with the
Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
And that's the other way of doing it, right, Like
you can go on and consult it, go consult, stay
close to the game.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
You know, Bill Belichick hasn't necessarily decided to go that rout,
at least not in any sort of official capacity, right.
So it makes you wonder, and I understand that too.
If you bring Bill Belichick into consult what do you
think is gonna end up happening?
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Things are all right, right unless unless you're unless you're like,
you know, a cow Shanahan or something to that effect.
There might be one or two coaches that I'd say
he could go to that place, and it's like, yeah,
the hierarchy is established and and that's not going to change.
But for the most part, if Bill Belichick comes into
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your facility, you get the opportunity to get to know
Bill Belichick on a daily basis, And if you have
a good experience with that, you got to believe that
they're gonna start looking at Bill like, well, what you
think I do think it's.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Worthwhile to discuss some of the comments. When this news
was reported that Bill Belichick would be on inside the
NFL coming to You from the CW, that given his
personal life details that have become public in his twenty
fo year old girlfriend, there were a lot of comments
being made. For example, one person wrote, great his girlfriend's
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favorite channel, and yeah, yeah, there's a couple. And then
someone also had wrote into a response to this article,
I hear he's contractually obligated to have a guest spot
on One Tree Hill or a regular on The Gilmore Girls.
Oh so that is kind of the funny part about
the CW venturing into sports is I don't know that
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anyone on the outside is ready for it. You know,
people think that's just like, oh, and that's where we
go to watch Dawson's Creek, you know, or some of
some of the show. But between with the live tour,
I think it's got some broadcast rights with the CW.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
There's obviously some of the.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
The NFL stuff, college football stuff we seen pop up
with CW. It just it feels a little bit odd,
like maybe we need to rebrand the channel a little
bit as we start to venture into sports and not
make it so, I mean, at least that's all I see.
Every time I think about the CW, I think about
all the shows used to watch back in the day
on that.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
You know, what's interesting is we could look at like
T and T the same way. We could look at
TBS the same way they do sports at times on
those channels. But for the most part, it's like you
come in, there's Charmed on the television. When we're in
the studio, you know, it's like stuff like that. But
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for Lee, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. I think it's
a strong play by the CW because I think think
the more credibility when you're that type of a channel.
If you're going to do sports and you want people
to make, you know, appointment television to watch your channel,
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then you got to bring in people like Shaquille O'Neill.
You got to bring in people like Charles Barkley. TNT
did an excellent job of creating a studio show that
may made T and T super relevant already more so
than just watching the games.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Are you going to tune into TNT to?
Speaker 5 (22:31):
It's like that show helped TNT basketball Basketball on TNT
to become more of a respected and watched TV show
they must be. I mean somebody's thinking if we add
someone like Bill Belichick, I mean, what other studio show
can you say you have a more credible source to
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talk about the game of football? Like you could throw
some guys out there that are some very very credible names.
I mean Fox Sports they have an incredible group. You know, NBC,
you know Football Night, they have good guys on their
credible guys. But you say the name Bill Belichick, I
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mean that that demands and commands instant respect in terms
of knowledge of the game and what you bring to
the table.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So I think that.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
It's a it's a strong move by the c w
UH to put themselves in in type of position where
they can gain some more you know, notoriety, some more
exposure and and also you know, a whole lot more
you know, credibility in terms of what they bring to
the table by taking a show that's a legendary show,
by the way, and and and vamping it. I don't know,
(23:48):
I don't want to say revamp, but vamping the show
to a point of where it's garnering that type of
respect and attention that you might actually tune in.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
To the c W to watch the show.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah, I believe the first episode air is August thirtieth,
and it has been This will be its forty eighth season.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
It's been around for.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
A long time, to your point, produced by NFL Film,
so that this has kind of been one of the
media ventures that the NFL has invested into over the
years that has been incredibly successful as compared to some
of the recent news where inside the NFL, the podcast
I believe has kind of started to go away or
maybe excuse me, around the NFL, the podcast started to
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go away. Good Morning Football, which is a show that
I've always loved and enjoyed watching, that's making its kind
of own transition to going from the East coast to
the West coast and everything that's along with it. But
it does seem like for some of the things that
the NFL has or NFL Films to try to produce
and be a part of it, it hasn't always worked
out well. This is one of the things that they've
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done is as good as anyone out there, And to
your point about bringing credibility to CW, I also think
that it helps elevate everyone else too. That's a part
of the show, right, I mean, you got you know,
Chado Cho Cinco, You've got Ry Laurer, You've got Ryan Clark.
Like it elevates them too. When you're a part of
what someone who brings the type of credibility that Bill
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Belichick will bring, it brings a different perspective too. Then
even though Chris long played at the end of his
career for Bell, Bill Belichick and chado Cho Sinco was
there as well, there's those commonalities. It will still continue
to develop that relationship and that show. But you know,
it's always hard to get in these subjects because yesterday,
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you know, as far as NFL standards go, we lost
one of what I would say is one of the
best defensive minds the NFL has ever seen.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And Montie Kiffin.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
He passed away peacefully, according to his family and reports.
And you know, I always think about my interactions with
Monti Kiffin in a variety of ways, but most recently
it was more in regards to him helping out a son,
him helping out Lane Kiffin back when he was at
FAU and building up the Florida A program, and you know,
(26:02):
seeing him out there, seeing him still around the game,
of football and just thinking to myself, like, man, that
guy just loved the game. He loved the interaction with players,
he loved scheme, he loved.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
All of it.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
And even you know, being a part and helping his
son at that point in time in his life kind
of resurrect his career, which obviously he's done a tremendous job.
This the success of FAU led to him now being
the head coach at Old Miss and he's you know,
obviously there want to be gonna be one of the
top teams in the SEC this year. But just looking
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back on it, you know, he was you know, didn't
say a ton but you know, love to kind of
talk about different things that you could do defensively to
help make quarterbacks uncomfortable, and it just you know, we
can go through the history of the Tampa two defense
really where I think Mini Kiffin kind of put his
stamp on the NFL and the success that he had
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as a defensive coordinator for the Bucks with Tony Duns
you with all the talented players and guys like you know,
Derrick Brooks and you know, obviously Warren Sapp he was
a part of that team and many of the other
guys Simmy and Rice who are.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Part of that group.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
But it's always tough when when you see a guy
like that who passes on moving on, we lost a
good one in regards to NFL standards and coaching and
just people. Uh In Monty Kiffin.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Yesterday, you know everybody that I know, you know fat Boy,
everybody you know from SAP to you know Derek Brooks,
who's one of my my heroes and one of my
favorite players of all talent time. Like you mentioned Big
Big Simeon, Rondez Barber, every everybody that I know and
that I've been around spoke so glowingly of him. And
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you know, when you get to the point of where
he's at in his life to still be considered, you know,
like his name pops up all the time because the
one defense that you know as a tried and true
defense that you can tap your head and check into
when the when the quarterback audibles out of what he's doing.
(28:09):
If it's not a play it you checked the Tampa
two like you. Everybody knows it. It still exists, It's
probably still used. It's still a term that's used. So
him becoming the guru of a staple defense. Uh, and
what what his understanding of the game was is pretty
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that's pretty phenomenal to have that type of legacy connected
to you. You mentioned it. I do believe we mentioned
it yesterday. Mate, you mentioned the Beers. I guess we
should have mentioned h the two thousand what was that
to two thousand and one? Uh, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They
I think it was old one. I mean when when
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Derek Brooks won the Defensive Player of the Year, they
won the Super Bowl. Their defense was just as good
as the defenses we talked about with the Ravens with
the eighty five Bears.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I mean he was two thousand and three. I believe
two thousand and three.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Okay, I knew it was something like that, all right, Yeah,
I mean they they were amazing.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
That was it was an amazing run for them. It
was an amazing defense.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
And so he created a legacy, and obviously Lane Kiffin
is continuing that that family business and that family legacy.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
You know, he was an older dude, So you have
to say, if you were going to go go the
way he went, you know, go go peacefully. You know
your family loved you. You know, there's a great affinity
for him from from Lane. Now I do have have
an acquaintance with Lane, have met him. Just you know,
a ton of respect from everybody as it applies to
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to Monty and what he's meant to our game. So
he will be missed by those who knew him and
loved him. And again for guys that did know when
you left the march so strong were people that never
knew you have have information and have knowledge about the
person that you are and how you impacted lives. That
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means you did something right in life, no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
And and and just to touch on to the difference
between you know, Cover two Tampa two, it really comes
down to the middle linebacker, the mic linebackers, a lot
of people will call them. One of the subtle differences
of the defense is you'd see the mic linebacker take
a more vertical seam drop and he'd run more to
the middle of the field, which kind of left a
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vacancy at that short kind of part right over the center,
right over the football almost about you know, five six
yards down field. And what it really forced teams to do.
And this is something that you know, I remember just
from learning you know what the Tampa two defense was
early on, and then you've got your you know, prevent
Tampa two defense, which and I want to get too complicated,
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but you know, basically you drop out a defensive lineman
into that window. So it's only a three man rush.
We have eight and coverage and you have your two
safeties back really covering.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
You know. One of the best parts.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
About it is a lot of offenses when it first came out,
they weren't sure how to handle it because you look
at it and it looks like a Cover two shell,
and so have these pass concepts that are designed.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
To try to throw against this.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Because one of the reasons that made this defense extremely
effective is well, you're playing with less guys around the
line of scrimmage to stop the run because you can
because you can because the team has to throw to
get back into it. And so then you're dropping basically
three guys back, almost like it's Cover three.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
We have three guys that responsive for the deep thirds
of the field. But it gives you this two high
shell look.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
So it messes with the quarterback, messing with the wide
receivers as far as what their route concepts are, and
it also forces the offense to be patient and because
that Mike linebacker dropping more in the middle of the
field for that vertical seam drop, and then you've got
your two safeties really dropping almost the top of the
numbers in the NFL, you know, design of the field and.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Taking over those deep halves.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
You know that you really don't feel overly comfortable throwing
anything down the field like that. And so then when
you take away that little dump down that's five six
yards you know, down the field right over the center
with a defensive lineman dropping, you know, oftentimes you're like, well,
I've gotta I've got to scramble, I have to buy time,
I have to help, you know, hopefully someone separates at
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some point. You know, maybe we can get a wide
receiver who gets up one of the safeties with a
step on them. But it becomes extremely difficult to find
production in the passing game. So in essence, that's like
the simplest way I think of unexplaining it.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
That's Tampa too, is just throw the ball underneath. Rally
to the ball everything underneath, like you gotta throw. If
you're going to throw it, throw it underneath. Otherwise if
you put it up top, is either going to be
Derek Brooks picking it off and going going the other way,
or it's going to be one of the corners, or
it's going to be a safety that's able to to
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get to you know, because it's it's windows right like
when you're playing in a Tampa two defense, that that
like you said, that linebacker is going more vertical and
it's based off of that that third receiver.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
You know, So if the back goes to the right,
we'll get assuming it's a three by one set.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
A three by one set, So if that that that
tight end goes up into the scene, that that that
backer has to carry it, which is that was you know,
that was a wrinkle you know, and that that could
create difficulty, but yeah, it was just it was it
was what we all used. Every single team used Tampa two,
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especially as an either as a base defense or checking
checking it.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
You know.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
So anyway, shot shot out to him much respect. It's signature.
It's still signature to to Kiffin, and he'll always be
remembered as as a guru of of defense the Tampa
two in our game, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
That's very cool.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
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Today, Well, good morning Brady, Good morning, Leavar, Good morning everybody.
Happy Friday morning, guys. In case you missed this, obviously,
we've talked about Christian McCaffrey marrying Olivia Colpo uh, just
a week or two ago. And of course notable teammates
George Kittle, Brock Purty, of course his coach Kyle Shanahan,
and including former Panther teammates were also in attendance Greg Olsen,
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Luke Keigley, Jonathan Stewart. But a lot of people made
a note that they didn't see Cam Newton, who of
course played three years with Christian Carolina. Well he uh,
he didn't even know about it. In fact, he made
a comment about it on his fourth and one podcast,
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Damn see, Matt, I couldn't get an invite. I know,
what is it because of the bron praidy of people.
Was Brock there, but it was a barck q meto.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Man, you're like you.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I wasn't there because I would have crashed him. I
woult to crash it. Man. Oh my god, looks like
they had so much fun. Man.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
So anyway, Christian McCaffrey took to social media afterwards, uh,
clarifying so to speak in a jokingly in a joking way,
saying he and Greg were at the bar talking about
how they wish he had been there, but he hasn't
answered their text and over four years?
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Oh oh, is that the ultimate?
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Like over the top, Like yeah, pal, like you're now
using my wedding for content, right, like you didn't get
invited even though you haven't talked to me in four years,
or responding right.
Speaker 7 (36:26):
Dang yeah, dang yeah, Well, he says, now the text
just turned green, which of course is the old iPhone
versus android thing.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, Lee, what else forgot today?
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Guys? Tyreek Hill, I don't know if you saw this
or not. In case you missed it, Tyreek Hill has
been confirmed to be the father of a young girl
born last year. Famously had three children last year between
February and May twenty twenty three. So now if you
do a tally, we all know that he has at
least seven children by four different women and one on
the way with his new wife. But he also has
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not denied that he has up words of ten children.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
I actually saw a report that says he has twelve
that we know of, he has twelve, and this new
report is coming off the back of I believe him
and his wife have just announced they're pregnant again.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
He's the cheetah. Yeah, that's something
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this time of year. There's always different ways you can
take a sports talk radio show.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Sometimes there's events that take place.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Sometimes it's simply just what some guys are saying because
they're out around the media. And one guy who always
makes waves is Aaron Rodgers, who's playing out at the
Tahoe with AC or AT and T Championship. He will
be out there today for the first round. I would
to be shocked if he's not in the mix. He's
(01:23):
a pretty good golfer. But what's drawn a lot more
attention is his open play to play once again with
DeVante Adams or Tay Adams.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
As they would call them.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Where Aaron Rodgers is now with the New York Jets,
Devanta Adams is now with the Las Vegas Raiders, both
under contract. This is the sort of thing that typically
would get the questions about tampering right when you've got
one players trying to essentially recruit or talk about playing
with another player. But it doesn't seem like we're there
(01:58):
quite yet. But knowing the end of it's almost like
he's pushing the boundaries or pushing the NFL to see
how far he could take things before they do do
something like that.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Man, first thing I think of is, yeah, you do
need Davonte Adams. I mean, they have some some pretty
good ball players, but I mean you had a guy
like Davonte Adams, I probably would I probably would change
my opinion on on their outcomes. I think that he
(02:29):
obviously still has that that type of playmaking ability where
he can he can change change your team. So of
course he's, you know, going to talk about his old teammate,
and they had some really good years together. I mean,
he became one of the top, if not the top
(02:49):
receiver for a time in the NFL when he was
with Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. So you know, I
wouldn't be surprised, you know, to hear him speak glowingly.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
H you know, Tay Adams.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
But it's one of those things, you know, I'll say this,
this is one time where it's like, ah, it's only
because it's Aaron Rodgers. I don't I don't know specific
I don't think we have sound on it or anything
like that. But I don't know in particular exactly what
he said. Q. But of course you're gonna talk highly
(03:28):
about the guy that that helped you have some really
really good seasons and get to MVP, you know, status
in in the league.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Actually, I believe we do have some sign if I'm
not mistaken, Lee, Do we do have some sound on this?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Do you think Luke Getzi's gonna utilize Debunte Adams good
in the New Raiders offense. I love Luke Getzi. He's
a fantastic coach. Awesome, I loved. I can't wait to
play with him outside of Yeah, I mean I'll have
a problem with that.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Do you think it's gonna give you to tampering though?
I mean it's like people like, what a second? I mean,
by the way, why did journalists not just do their
job anymore?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Like?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Was there a follow up when he says when he
says something like that, you can wait a second. What
do you guys playing again? You're playing golf together in
this turnament? You mean you're playing in New York together?
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (04:17):
And I think that that's Aaron that you know, that's
how Aaron Rodgers answered the whole you know, vaccinations deal
and immunization and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I mean, he's pretty creative.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
I don't think you can say that's tampering because you
don't know. They could be playing cards, they could be
playing darts, they could be playing pool. You know, you
could take in context and say I can't wait till
we play again. But does that mean he's leaving the
Jets and they're going to meet somewhere else?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Is he going to the Raiders. You know, I don't.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I think he's creative enough in what he said that
it's so open ended that it's not something that you
could penned down to saying, Okay, he's trying to get
him to the New York Jets, even though that's what
it sounded like, right, I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I'm not saying he's trying to get him there.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I think we all know behind the scenes he's set
it dinner for a while, and I think depending on
how things go. And that's why we've talked about the
Las Vegas Raiders for the past couple of days, probably now,
and what's going to happen there, because there is this
assumption that you've got DeVante Adams, who's still one of
the top receivers in the league, and it's there are
I mean, obviously he's needed in Las Vegas. He's he'd
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be needed on most rosters. But when you've got a
quarterback situation, one that doesn't look as I mean obviously
not as appetizing as that is when Aaron Rodgers, right,
you know, you're sitting there saying to yourself, like, where
can I go finish my career and be the player
that I want? To be and the Jets maybe provide
him that opportunity to team back up once again with
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Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
And how would they do it? How would they do it?
Straightway future pitch?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I mean that you'd have to because here's the other
part of the conversation is if you do trade for him,
you know, what does that say how you feel about
Gira Wilson, who's a first round pick.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
He's on everything you'd hoped he would be.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
But I mean, like I personally look at the roster,
I don't think they necessarily need DeVante Adams would be helpful. Sure,
I mean adding Devontae Adams with Gara Wilson and Mike
Williams and you know Corley, that the young man they
took out of wester Kentucky. I mean, you've got a
bunch of pieces, There's no doubt about it. But you
could make the case that you don't really need DeVante
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Adams unless you feel like Gara Wilson isn't your number one,
which you know, I look at it and think, one,
he's so far has been that guy, and two, with
the additions of what they have, he can continue to
be that guy. So I do wonder if you know
these comments. Sometimes not to read into it too much,
because I'm sure Aaron Rodgers is always out there saying like, yeah,
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I'd love to play with the guy. But it is
something you kind of have to dissect sometimes because.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Oh, he didn't say I loved play with him. He
said I can't wait to play with him again. So
he's definitely right. I mean, he definitely put it in
a way where it should have been. It should be discussed.
There should have been a follow up question, well, when
are y'all going to play? When do you think you
guys are going to play together? Is that soon? Is
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that in a couple of years? Are you saying you're
planning on staying around in the league long enough to
actually play out your contract and him play out his
contract and you guys end up in another place. I mean,
I wonder if they're talking on the phone. I know
they talk about tampering and stuff like that, but you
can't monitor people's friendships. Yeah, if you have a friend
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that's that you played with before, you guys keep up
on you know, social or keep up on the phone,
you can't.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Call that tampering.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Yeah, how are you going to figure out where that
fine line and his crossed when guys are familiar with
one another. If you don't think that DeVante Adams and
Aaron Rodgers may have had a conversation or two about
what their circumstances are and what their situations that you
know what they are, I don't know. I mean, I
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don't know what their relationship is, but I would assume
that it was a pretty good relationship that they had.
Davante Adams said he left Green Bay because of the
front office, not because of Aaron Rodgers. So if anybody
thought that there was beef between the two of them,
there wasn't beef between the two of them. He wasn't
leaving Aaron Rodgers. So you know, I don't know, man,
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I don't know. It's interesting that he would say it, though.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I do think there was this part of Dalanta Adams
that wanted to go out and pre prove that he
was more than just, you know, a receiver who was
going to catch a bunch of passes and balls from
Aaron Rodgers. Because I think there was a thought that,
you know, Aaron Rodgers is what made Devanta Adams what
he was as a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
That was I do think there was that thought there.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I think also Devant Adams did probably what he felt
was best for him, and Aaron Rodgers probably told him like, hey,
I'm probably not gonna be much longer either, you know,
at some point out I'm gonna have to move on.
So there was all those things kind of mixed into
you know, his his final time with the Green Bay
Packers or both of them, and they're in their final
time at the Green Bay Packers. But now I think
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Devant Adams has proved that he's a number one wide
receiver regardless of who's thrown.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
In the football. And if you look at the New York.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Jets and you know, again looking at their roster, what
they're trying.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
To do, they're going all in.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
So you know, what are they willing to give up
in exchange for DeVonta Adams.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I mean, if you're the Raiders, clearly you want something
pretty substantial back in return, whether that's a boatload of
future picks, which would sometimes make sense in this scenario
because you're only operating if you're the Jets in the
window of winning right now, where you're saying I'm willing
to sacrifice or mortgage my future to load up this roster,
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make the guy who's playing quarterback, who we believe is
a generational talent happy, and they have everything he wants
to have in order to be successful.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Let me ask you this, then, why didn't they try
to make this play during draft?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
During the draft? You know, maybe they did. I mean,
that's one of the things we don't really know. I
think as we get a sneak peek behind the scenes
with the hard knocks offseason with the New York Giants,
you start to see more of some of the conversations
that happen, and maybe some of the things that happen
or don't happen the mores come out from that. So
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maybe there was a conversation, you know, maybe the Raiders
had discussions about that, Maybe the Jets had discussions about that.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
You know, it seems like they.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Were pretty intent on focusing on some other pieces, you know,
whether it was defense, whether it was.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
The offensive line.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Those things seem to be their focus on how they're
gonna build this roster. But as I sit there and
look at it, I kind of just say, yeah, if
you're the Jets, does it matter what the The two
or three years after Aaron Rodgers look like if they
win a super Bowl. You know, if you have the
success in this two or three years with Rogers at
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the end of his.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Career, live with it. Yeah, live with it. You you
live and die with it.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
And if your coach is as good as you think
he is, it might look something similar to what the
Rams are with Sean McVay, where you win a super Bowl,
you bring him at Matthew Stafford, you win a super
Bowl and then out of that you say, well, yeah,
now we have to kind of face the music some
of the cap charges, et cetera. And you lose a
you know, first ballot Hall of Famer in Aaron Donald.
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But you find these young pieces, You find guys in
the draft, you evaluate, you you develop, and you make
your team and roster back in something competitive again. You know,
That's what good coach That's what good organizations do. And
I know we've talked a lot about the Jets and
whether or not do you consider them a good organization.
I think they're trying to put themselves in a position
(11:57):
to go on and there's and there's something you said
for that, because I don't feel like that's been the case.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
In past years, you sell a whole lot more tickets
if you haven't sold them. If you get Davante Adams
with Aaron Rodgers, I'll tell you that, what type of
excitement would that generate?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Non't yeah, no doubt about.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I mean and and it should generate some excitement. Look
for us, it's a Friday for you listening, it's a Friday.
We should be excited about what's coming up this week
and everything else.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
We've got going on. We're talking about yeah yeah, we're
talking full talk something.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Yeah yeah, we're talking football. Yeah yeah, come on, I
come home.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It's Friday. It's Friday.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
It's football.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
It's football Friday. It's a football Friday.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Come on, come on, wake up, wake up, wake up,
wake up.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
It here got to get out of all right, let's
turn you off, let's turn you off. Here we go,
Here we go.
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Friday night, Friday, Football Friday.
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Speaker 6 (13:45):
Holly Foods Go Here with Tony Foods Go. Ye As
everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award winning Polly
and Tony Foods Go Show. But instead of us telling
you how great we are, here's how Dan Patrick described
us when he came on our.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
Show, Quick, knowledgeable and funny opinion.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
What you do dirupting our promo?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, he wasn't talking about you. You took those clibs
totally out of context.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Oh yeah, well after this promo, I'm gonna take you
out and beat you.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Let me put this into context. Shut up.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
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Speaker 3 (14:21):
YEA.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Someone else who feels like there's a whole lot of
money in this thing is uh maybe Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Hmmm, who you know.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I'm not sure if you've seen Bill Belichick for the
Draft coverage for some of the inside the NFL stuff
he's done in the past. But it's been announced that
he will be joining inside the.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
NFL for this upcoming season. And I've said this before
and I truly mean this.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I do think this is one of those moments where
Belichick can flex his knowledge, flex his experience, everything else.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
That you know, he's he's learned, he's done.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
He can showcase to any franchise on TV to put
pressure on any coaches that are in the hot seat
in the NFL that he's still out there, he's available.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I mean, you have this unique window.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Of opportunity and very similar to what we just talked
about with Aaron Rodgers and the Jets.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You've got a three four year period where if you
bring in.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Bill Belichick, he can build this thing and he can
put together a plan that with the right piece that
I think will be one of the best in the NFL.
And so it's almost like a warning signer or alert
that like make sure he reminds everyone he's still there
and he's still lurking out there and.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Maybe once that opportunity to come back and coach again. Listen.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
I think it's a great move by the CW to
do it at that type of you know, type of
swag to your staff. I think people will be more
interested in finding the CEDW if they don't already know
where it is.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
So I think that's a great move. But one.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
This is an opportunity for Bill Belichick to show that
that knowledge and that that wisdom and not understanding of
the game show people his personality, you know it. It
has continued to kind of be that way for Tom Brady.
Now there's the opportunity for Bill Belichick and a few
(16:29):
appearances that he's made in front of the camera, he's
shown a lot of personality, and for me, I would
think the estimation of that is is that the public
will get an opportunity to to get a different side
of Bill Belichick. He'd actually the way that we remember
him talking to the media and how you know, short
(16:52):
he was or how difficult he was dealing with the media.
I think it will give him the opportunity to be
painted in a different light by doing a show like
this and let his personality show, which could in some
regard make it a little easier for front office people
(17:13):
to not be maybe as intimidated or scared of hiring
a guy like Bill Belichick to come in and help
their team.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, I mean after having a twenty four year run
as the Patriots head coach, you know, and it's obviously
ended in a way that probably wasn't the best, you know,
and not the way he wanted ended going out on top,
and probably not the way that things ended between him
and Robert Craft. But he's gonna be making a ton
of money. I mean, if you look at you know,
him joining inside the NFL ship with it, which is
just one piece of it. Yeah, you know, he's also
(17:43):
going to be joining the Manning Brothers on a reoccurring
role on ESPN's Monday Night Football. And you know there's
gonna be podcasts as well involved in all of this.
And then you even sold in the draft coverage. You know,
he came out and visit with Pat McAfee. Pat McAfee
is said openly that he'd like to have him on
once a week during the season, and so there's a
(18:05):
ton of opportunity for him out there. I'm sure there's
book deals and everything else that are lining up, but
this is the sort of thing that you typically do
a post career or when you're in that space of saying,
I don't feel like I'm quite finished yet, and maybe
I'll take the right opportunity if, if it is the
right opportunity. But this is this is one of those
chances in time frames where you're looking at Bill Belichick
(18:26):
saying yeah, I also think he's kind of putting a
lot of other coaches on notice. Not that he's you know,
willingly try to do that or advocating for guys to
get canned so he can take over certain jobs, but I.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Think he's somebody making sure I'll get canned. He doesn't.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
He doesn't have the politic for that's exactly going, yeah,
people don't get fired anyway.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
But I think he wants to know at his age
that he's still into the game, he still has a
ton of knowledge, he still has a ton of share
and to bring to any organization, and if he is
looking for that next spot, this is one of the
best ways to do it. You know, some coaches don't
choose to do that, you know, I think Mike Rabel
is one of the you know, the hottest head coaches
that's out there that he's not choosing to do a
(19:07):
bunch of TV.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
You don't hear his name thrown into that, it's just
not really him. Isn't he working with a team?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Isn't he like the team's he was consulting with the
Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
And that's the other way of doing it, right, Like
you can go on and consult it, go consult, stay
close to the game.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
You know, Bill Belichick hasn't necessarily decided to go that rout,
at least not in any sort of official capacity, right.
So it makes you wonder, and I understand that too.
If you bring Bill Belichick into consult what do you
think is gonna end up happening?
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Things are all right, right unless unless you're unless you're like,
you know, a cow Shanahan or something to that effect.
There might be one or two coaches that I'd say
he could go to that place, and it's like, yeah,
the hierarchy is established and and that's not going to change.
But for the most part, if Bill Belichick comes into
(20:00):
your facility, you get the opportunity to get to know
Bill Belichick on a daily basis, And if you have
a good experience with that, you got to believe that
they're gonna start looking at Bill like, well, what you
think I do think it's.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Worthwhile to discuss some of the comments. When this news
was reported that Bill Belichick would be on inside the
NFL coming to You from the CW, that given his
personal life details that have become public in his twenty
fo year old girlfriend, there were a lot of comments
being made. For example, one person wrote, great his girlfriend's
(20:38):
favorite channel, and yeah, yeah, there's a couple. And then
someone also had wrote into a response to this article,
I hear he's contractually obligated to have a guest spot
on One Tree Hill or a regular on The Gilmore Girls.
Oh so that is kind of the funny part about
the CW venturing into sports is I don't know that
(20:58):
anyone on the outside is ready for it. You know,
people think that's just like, oh, and that's where we
go to watch Dawson's Creek, you know, or some of
some of the show. But between with the live tour,
I think it's got some broadcast rights with the CW.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
There's obviously some of the.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
The NFL stuff, college football stuff we seen pop up
with CW. It just it feels a little bit odd,
like maybe we need to rebrand the channel a little
bit as we start to venture into sports and not
make it so, I mean, at least that's all I see.
Every time I think about the CW, I think about
all the shows used to watch back in the day
on that.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
You know, what's interesting is we could look at like
T and T the same way. We could look at
TBS the same way they do sports at times on
those channels. But for the most part, it's like you
come in, there's Charmed on the television. When we're in
the studio, you know, it's like stuff like that. But
(21:52):
for Lee, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. I think it's
a strong play by the CW because I think think
the more credibility when you're that type of a channel.
If you're going to do sports and you want people
to make, you know, appointment television to watch your channel,
(22:12):
then you got to bring in people like Shaquille O'Neill.
You got to bring in people like Charles Barkley. TNT
did an excellent job of creating a studio show that
may made T and T super relevant already more so
than just watching the games.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Are you going to tune into TNT to?
Speaker 5 (22:31):
It's like that show helped TNT basketball Basketball on TNT
to become more of a respected and watched TV show
they must be. I mean somebody's thinking if we add
someone like Bill Belichick, I mean, what other studio show
can you say you have a more credible source to
(22:56):
talk about the game of football? Like you could throw
some guys out there that are some very very credible names.
I mean Fox Sports they have an incredible group. You know, NBC,
you know Football Night, they have good guys on their
credible guys. But you say the name Bill Belichick, I
(23:17):
mean that that demands and commands instant respect in terms
of knowledge of the game and what you bring to
the table.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So I think that.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
It's a it's a strong move by the c w
UH to put themselves in in type of position where
they can gain some more you know, notoriety, some more
exposure and and also you know, a whole lot more
you know, credibility in terms of what they bring to
the table by taking a show that's a legendary show,
by the way, and and and vamping it. I don't know,
(23:48):
I don't want to say revamp, but vamping the show
to a point of where it's garnering that type of
respect and attention that you might actually tune in.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
To the c W to watch the show.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah, I believe the first episode air is August thirtieth,
and it has been This will be its forty eighth season.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
It's been around for.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
A long time, to your point, produced by NFL Film,
so that this has kind of been one of the
media ventures that the NFL has invested into over the
years that has been incredibly successful as compared to some
of the recent news where inside the NFL, the podcast
I believe has kind of started to go away or
maybe excuse me, around the NFL, the podcast started to
(24:29):
go away. Good Morning Football, which is a show that
I've always loved and enjoyed watching, that's making its kind
of own transition to going from the East coast to
the West coast and everything that's along with it. But
it does seem like for some of the things that
the NFL has or NFL Films to try to produce
and be a part of it, it hasn't always worked
out well. This is one of the things that they've
(24:49):
done is as good as anyone out there, And to
your point about bringing credibility to CW, I also think
that it helps elevate everyone else too. That's a part
of the show, right, I mean, you got you know,
Chado Cho Cinco, You've got Ry Laurer, You've got Ryan Clark.
Like it elevates them too. When you're a part of
what someone who brings the type of credibility that Bill
(25:11):
Belichick will bring, it brings a different perspective too. Then
even though Chris long played at the end of his
career for Bell, Bill Belichick and chado Cho Sinco was
there as well, there's those commonalities. It will still continue
to develop that relationship and that show. But you know,
it's always hard to get in these subjects because yesterday,
(25:31):
you know, as far as NFL standards go, we lost
one of what I would say is one of the
best defensive minds the NFL has ever seen.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And Montie Kiffin.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
He passed away peacefully, according to his family and reports.
And you know, I always think about my interactions with
Monti Kiffin in a variety of ways, but most recently
it was more in regards to him helping out a son,
him helping out Lane Kiffin back when he was at
FAU and building up the Florida A program, and you know,
(26:02):
seeing him out there, seeing him still around the game,
of football and just thinking to myself, like, man, that
guy just loved the game. He loved the interaction with players,
he loved scheme, he loved.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
All of it.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
And even you know, being a part and helping his
son at that point in time in his life kind
of resurrect his career, which obviously he's done a tremendous job.
This the success of FAU led to him now being
the head coach at Old Miss and he's you know,
obviously there want to be gonna be one of the
top teams in the SEC this year. But just looking
(26:36):
back on it, you know, he was you know, didn't
say a ton but you know, love to kind of
talk about different things that you could do defensively to
help make quarterbacks uncomfortable, and it just you know, we
can go through the history of the Tampa two defense
really where I think Mini Kiffin kind of put his
stamp on the NFL and the success that he had
(26:57):
as a defensive coordinator for the Bucks with Tony Duns
you with all the talented players and guys like you know,
Derrick Brooks and you know, obviously Warren Sapp he was
a part of that team and many of the other
guys Simmy and Rice who are.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Part of that group.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
But it's always tough when when you see a guy
like that who passes on moving on, we lost a
good one in regards to NFL standards and coaching and
just people. Uh In Monty Kiffin.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Yesterday, you know everybody that I know, you know fat Boy,
everybody you know from SAP to you know Derek Brooks,
who's one of my my heroes and one of my
favorite players of all talent time. Like you mentioned Big
Big Simeon, Rondez Barber, every everybody that I know and
that I've been around spoke so glowingly of him. And
(27:46):
you know, when you get to the point of where
he's at in his life to still be considered, you know,
like his name pops up all the time because the
one defense that you know as a tried and true
defense that you can tap your head and check into
when the when the quarterback audibles out of what he's doing.
(28:09):
If it's not a play it you checked the Tampa
two like you. Everybody knows it. It still exists, It's
probably still used. It's still a term that's used. So
him becoming the guru of a staple defense. Uh, and
what what his understanding of the game was is pretty
(28:31):
that's pretty phenomenal to have that type of legacy connected
to you. You mentioned it. I do believe we mentioned
it yesterday. Mate, you mentioned the Beers. I guess we
should have mentioned h the two thousand what was that
to two thousand and one? Uh, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They
I think it was old one. I mean when when
(28:52):
Derek Brooks won the Defensive Player of the Year, they
won the Super Bowl. Their defense was just as good
as the defenses we talked about with the Ravens with
the eighty five Bears.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I mean he was two thousand and three. I believe
two thousand and three.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Okay, I knew it was something like that, all right, Yeah,
I mean they they were amazing.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
That was it was an amazing run for them. It
was an amazing defense.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
And so he created a legacy, and obviously Lane Kiffin
is continuing that that family business and that family legacy.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
You know, he was an older dude, So you have
to say, if you were going to go go the
way he went, you know, go go peacefully. You know
your family loved you. You know, there's a great affinity
for him from from Lane. Now I do have have
an acquaintance with Lane, have met him. Just you know,
a ton of respect from everybody as it applies to
(29:50):
to Monty and what he's meant to our game. So
he will be missed by those who knew him and
loved him. And again for guys that did know when
you left the march so strong were people that never
knew you have have information and have knowledge about the
person that you are and how you impacted lives. That
(30:11):
means you did something right in life, no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
And and and just to touch on to the difference
between you know, Cover two Tampa two, it really comes
down to the middle linebacker, the mic linebackers, a lot
of people will call them. One of the subtle differences
of the defense is you'd see the mic linebacker take
a more vertical seam drop and he'd run more to
the middle of the field, which kind of left a
(30:36):
vacancy at that short kind of part right over the center,
right over the football almost about you know, five six
yards down field. And what it really forced teams to do.
And this is something that you know, I remember just
from learning you know what the Tampa two defense was
early on, and then you've got your you know, prevent
Tampa two defense, which and I want to get too complicated,
(30:58):
but you know, basically you drop out a defensive lineman
into that window. So it's only a three man rush.
We have eight and coverage and you have your two
safeties back really covering.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
You know. One of the best parts.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
About it is a lot of offenses when it first came out,
they weren't sure how to handle it because you look
at it and it looks like a Cover two shell,
and so have these pass concepts that are designed.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
To try to throw against this.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Because one of the reasons that made this defense extremely
effective is well, you're playing with less guys around the
line of scrimmage to stop the run because you can
because you can because the team has to throw to
get back into it. And so then you're dropping basically
three guys back, almost like it's Cover three.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
We have three guys that responsive for the deep thirds
of the field. But it gives you this two high
shell look.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
So it messes with the quarterback, messing with the wide
receivers as far as what their route concepts are, and
it also forces the offense to be patient and because
that Mike linebacker dropping more in the middle of the
field for that vertical seam drop, and then you've got
your two safeties really dropping almost the top of the
numbers in the NFL, you know, design of the field and.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Taking over those deep halves.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
You know that you really don't feel overly comfortable throwing
anything down the field like that. And so then when
you take away that little dump down that's five six
yards you know, down the field right over the center
with a defensive lineman dropping, you know, oftentimes you're like, well,
I've gotta I've got to scramble, I have to buy time,
I have to help, you know, hopefully someone separates at
(32:26):
some point. You know, maybe we can get a wide
receiver who gets up one of the safeties with a
step on them. But it becomes extremely difficult to find
production in the passing game. So in essence, that's like
the simplest way I think of unexplaining it.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
That's Tampa too, is just throw the ball underneath. Rally
to the ball everything underneath, like you gotta throw. If
you're going to throw it, throw it underneath. Otherwise if
you put it up top, is either going to be
Derek Brooks picking it off and going going the other way,
or it's going to be one of the corners, or
it's going to be a safety that's able to to
(32:58):
get to you know, because it's it's windows right like
when you're playing in a Tampa two defense, that that
like you said, that linebacker is going more vertical and
it's based off of that that third receiver.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
You know, So if the back goes to the right,
we'll get assuming it's a three by one set.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
A three by one set, So if that that that
tight end goes up into the scene, that that that
backer has to carry it, which is that was you know,
that was a wrinkle you know, and that that could
create difficulty, but yeah, it was just it was it
was what we all used. Every single team used Tampa two,
(33:38):
especially as an either as a base defense or checking
checking it.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
You know.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
So anyway, shot shot out to him much respect. It's signature.
It's still signature to to Kiffin, and he'll always be
remembered as as a guru of of defense the Tampa
two in our game, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
That's very cool.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
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Speaker 2 (34:45):
Sometimes you can't get to everything in the world of
sports or entertainment. Good thing the guys are here to
bring you.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
In case you missed it, Lee, what do we have
on the docket.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Today, Well, good morning Brady, Good morning, Leavar, Good morning everybody.
Happy Friday morning, guys. In case you missed this, obviously,
we've talked about Christian McCaffrey marrying Olivia Colpo uh, just
a week or two ago. And of course notable teammates
George Kittle, Brock Purty, of course his coach Kyle Shanahan,
and including former Panther teammates were also in attendance Greg Olsen,
(35:19):
Luke Keigley, Jonathan Stewart. But a lot of people made
a note that they didn't see Cam Newton, who of
course played three years with Christian Carolina. Well he uh,
he didn't even know about it. In fact, he made
a comment about it on his fourth and one podcast,
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Damn see, Matt, I couldn't get an invite. I know,
what is it because of the bron praidy of people.
Was Brock there, but it was a barck q meto.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Man, you're like you.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I wasn't there because I would have crashed him. I
woult to crash it. Man. Oh my god, looks like
they had so much fun. Man.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
So anyway, Christian McCaffrey took to social media afterwards, uh,
clarifying so to speak in a jokingly in a joking way,
saying he and Greg were at the bar talking about
how they wish he had been there, but he hasn't
answered their text and over four years?
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Oh oh, is that the ultimate?
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Like over the top, Like yeah, pal, like you're now
using my wedding for content, right, like you didn't get
invited even though you haven't talked to me in four years,
or responding right.
Speaker 7 (36:26):
Dang yeah, dang yeah, Well, he says, now the text
just turned green, which of course is the old iPhone
versus android thing.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, Lee, what else forgot today?
Speaker 7 (36:38):
Guys? Tyreek Hill, I don't know if you saw this
or not. In case you missed it, Tyreek Hill has
been confirmed to be the father of a young girl
born last year. Famously had three children last year between
February and May twenty twenty three. So now if you
do a tally, we all know that he has at
least seven children by four different women and one on
the way with his new wife. But he also has
(36:59):
not denied that he has up words of ten children.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
I actually saw a report that says he has twelve
that we know of, he has twelve, and this new
report is coming off the back of I believe him
and his wife have just announced they're pregnant again.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
He's the cheetah. Yeah, that's something
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