January 6, 2022 • 39 mins
Thursday on 2 Pros and Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington make a big announcement involving a newly minted Hall of Famer, Antonio Brown releasing a statement on what happened last Sunday, and In Case You Missed It!
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas knocks and coming up on
the show, a major announcement to kick things off. You go,
you gotta stick around for because we've got a Hall
of Famer in the bunch. We will give you all
the details on that. A fun story and lots of
lots of good feels to it, and we'll get into
that here to kick off the show. Also going to
get into more around the NFL, including the Antonio Brown fiasco.
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The drama continues. Albert Brier is gonna stop by. Dr
David Chow has got thoughts on a b and also
Baker Mayfield's decision. We're gonna have the news with Brady
Quinn and another coach having to respond to rumors of
his firing that's coming up right after the season. All
of it is yours coming up next here, Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe, the Thursday edition Fox Sports Radio.
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We got ourselves major announcement here on the show, and
it is not the return of Roberto Flores, our technical producer,
although that's a big here behind the scenes means this
show is going to go off the rails for sure.
But we will get to that big announcement coming up
here in just a couple of moments from now. It's
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until nine am Eastern times, six o'clock Pacific. And Brady Quinny,
I can't help but notice that there's like, um, I
don't know, like an air of greatness on this show today.
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I don't know what it is. It's like almost like
it's always been here. Just think maybe you didn't recognize it.
It wasn't being recognized for what it is. See, I
think we recognize it. I'm just not sure that everybody
else recognize it. But but now you can't even dispute it.
I mean, it feels like this show has got some
sort of uh an added to it, you know what
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I mean? Like there's some there's something additional that's been
added on top of the show and maybe somebody's credentials here, LaVar,
what are your thoughts on that? I mean, if you
ever come back where you remember, you didn't have an answer,
I'll tell you what. I'm still kind of in shock
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about it. Let me give you a backstory here. I thought,
when when Brady was talking about coach stoops and and congratulating,
and I saw al Al Wilson's my guy. I saw,
you know, he was being congratulated. I was like, man,
I missed it, Like I missed it, you know. I
thought I was done. And I was sitting at home yesterday,
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and as I know it, the chapter of my life
of football has officially come to a close. I hit
my final resting place yesterday. Man. Pretty cool, and what happened? Ye? Man?
So so here this is pretty cool. Man. I'm sitting
at home and my oldest son came in town. He
goes to Lakawana College in Pennsylvania and he just got
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him and his girl friend just got in town yesterday.
So I get the ball, I get, I get, I
get the box that's in front of my door. There's
a box there, and said you know, grab it. I'm like,
I don't get any boxes. By the way, I don't shop,
I don't do anything. Everything my my wife orders or
my my kids order, um my daughters. And I grabbed
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the boxing. It's like LaVar on the box. I don't
think notne of it. I'm like, it's still a holiday.
So I probably got a gift from somebody or whatever.
And I go sit down and my son walks in.
I'm like, more into my son, and this that another
and so I sit down. I opened up the box
and I'm looking at it. I was like, this is
a this is a cruel This is a cruel joke.
You know, it's pretty cruel. Um it's a football. I
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see the football and I look at it and it's
it's like congratulations. I'm like what wait hold hawk? And
so I start trying to figure out if there were
like multiple publications or multiple multiple awards that were given
for for this and it was the National Football Foundation
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Hall of Fame. Man, I got into the class. I'll
never think about playing ever again. I wish I could
say I had a Hall of Fame worthy pro career,
but I know in reality I didn't. And and so
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as I set my expectations on every every single thing
that I've accomplished as as a player. The one thing
that and and even when I was in the pros,
when I left college, college always meant a whole lot
more to me. For some strange reason, I always felt
like it was truly business once I got to the pros,
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and it just meant a lot to always told people
if I could get into a hall of fame that
meant the most to me, it would have been college.
It would be college Football Hall of Fame, just because
you know, I mean, I guess with portals now it's
it's different, But your college was your college, you know
back in the day that that that's like, that's not
gonna change. And the Pros, your team can change. Things
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can change in the heartbeat that you don't have any
real control over. But in college, colleges, your college right
like you have friends, you go to class with you,
you you hang out at the local pubs together, you
you do all kinds you know, the the parties at
the apartments and stuff like that. Just so many different
things that are connected to college that meant so much
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to the formation of who I became as as a man.
And you know, I just I wanted this. I wanted
this pretty bad and I wanted this pretty badly. Man.
So I'm like, I'm still in kind of like shocking
disbelief about it. You know. When I told told the
family and stuff like that, they they were like, you know,
are you okay? Like you don't seem to have like
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any real facial expressions, and I was like, I was
kind of in shock because I thought I didn't get in.
If you guys remember like when when you we were
talking about it, Brady, like you were talking about coach dudes,
I was like, man, yeah, that was for this past
that was for this past year. That's all. It's like,
I didn't know. I was like, yeah, dude, like they
are that said a while ago for him, I didn't know.
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But it's like it's like you're thinking you read the
wrong lotto numbers. I was so deep and thought I
just thought I missed it, Like maybe next year you
thought you threw away, you know. I was like, this
is a cruel joke, guy, And I didn't think they
were picking until next January, you know, That's what I
was thinking. But I got it. And thank you to
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the National Football Foundation and and and the directors and
everyone who played a part in it. Thank you to
all my teammates, you know, thank you to my coaches.
Shouts out to Joe rest Easy uh Man hard too
hard to give a shout out to to my position
coach and to our defensive coordinator. Um with everything that
has happened, but man it it was a tremendous That
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was a tremendous ride. That's awesome. Can I just say
two things of all you know, one I think maybe
college and I want to speak for you, but but
it might mean more in some ways too, because you know, college,
you have that you have control over that decision where
you go, where you choose to go. And and that's
the hard thing I think about the NFL is you
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don't you're born into a situation where I mean not
to make it applicable to like life, but there's some
people who are born into situations where it's hard to
get out and it's hard to battle through it. And
and that's the thing about colleges is like you at
least have the opportunity to choose where you want to
go and set forth on that path. And your path
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was littered with greatness and that's why you're in the
position you're in. But the one thing he said was like,
you know, you're kind of closing this chapter of football.
I hope you don't, because just from working with you
and knowing you, there's so many gifts and lessons that
I think you have to share with so many people,
and especially young people about the game. So I hope it.
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I know you're saying, hey, it closes, it's kind of
put l I p to that portion of it. But
I hope that the teaching never never stops. I hope
that never stops. For the game. I'm with you there now,
I'm with you there, Hey, listen to the game is
is to be sold, not told, And I'm I'm all
for giving it to to all of the next generations
of guys. Everybody knows that, So yeah, I just for me.
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I told my I told my kids and my my
my daughter told me latelist said, you know, you should
put that on a T shirt. I said, come visit me,
Come visit me at the College Football Hall of Fame.
Don't go to my grave site, like, don't go, don't
don't worry about going to where I'm buried. Come come
see me. In at the hall, like that's that's how
I felt. I felt yesterday like I can go now
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like if I left here today, I've I've put in
place a legacy that's made my name more than what
my father made it. And that's what you're supposed to do.
You're you're supposed to when you're the son of a man,
you're supposed to or or your son a daughter of
of of a woman, you're supposed to further what your
family is doing, what their legacy is. I've done my
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part for the legacy of my family and and so
that's that for me. That it was one of the
most amazing moments sitting there, and I just I shared
it with my family like I shared it with you guys,
um and it was just I don't know, it's still
kind of surreal, you know, to know that you did
something significant enough and in a lot of your accolades,
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after you play the game, uh go into if you're
going to be selected. So they're looking at good citizens.
So I've tried to be an upright citizen and everything
that I do, I've tried to be a person of service,
tremendous service I've I've always given myself. I've never really
done for myself. I don't I don't do anything for myself.
So to to have an award that kind of represents
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your your works, I've never received like a community service award.
I was never up for Walter Payton Man of the Year.
And and and you know, some people ask me that does
that bother you? And I've always said to people, if
if I can do service for for people on on
a consistent basis, I don't necessarily need the accolades that
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go with it. I just want to be able to
impact people's lives. And and as long as you're able
to do that, and I'm able to do that, I
know that I'm going in the right direction for for
what my life's purpose is. So, you know, I I've
never had any type of real awards in terms of that,
but I felt like this was a largely in part
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a lot of what I've done post career would would
lee because there's been a lot of a lot of
qualified dudes that are on on that list. So I'm
just humbled, man, I'm humbled by it. I'm I'm I'm
you know, I don't know, man, It's pretty cool. And
one of the things that you said, And I know
Brady has mentioned this before, and and it's really anybody
that I've talked to who's played at the NFL or college,
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it's you know, the NFL when you get there. It
is about the business. It's about the situation and circumstance,
and so many things change, so many other factors come
into it. But the last time you really for a
lot of guys that that I've heard from, the last
time they really loved and enjoyed football was at that
college level, at that high school and college level. And
it's a lot why we've talked about some of these
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bowl games. These kids that are getting games canceled, that
are their last opportunities to go out there and play
with their guys, even if they're not a Hall of Famer,
just that era of their lives is so much fun
and they look back and they're so fond of it.
And to see you be rewarded for for that eras
that's awesome, man, So is the Goat. Like I don't
know about you, Brady, but I know for us we
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as friends. You go on recruiting visits, you get to
know people, and you know who the top guys are
and you start as friends, You're like, here's where we're
gonna go. We're gonna go, We're gonna go together as
and we're gonna try to win it all. And I
could recall they were about ten dudes, ten, ten twelve
dudes that we all like where we're going to camps together,
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going to the college camps, and we're like, you know
where you think we are we thinking? And we chose
Penn State and and you know we we got rated
number one at one point in time. We never never
sailed the deal. But I do think that there's something
to be said also about the camaraderie of man, I
got banged up by this dude. Wasn't too many dudes
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in high school that I went up against that bang
me up. A couple of dudes bang me up. And
we're going to school and we're gonna be playing on
the same side of the ball and and on the
same team together. So now we go from being opposition
to we're comrades, and and that's you know, I don't know.
It made me think a lot about it made me
go through the mental emotional aspects of what what football
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has to offer. And it's so funny. Are you're talking
about bowl games because it's like my last bowl game
in the Alamo Bowl in Texas, say and them. I
didn't give it not one thought as to if I
was going to play that game. There were so many,
so many people asking like, are you gonna play? You
hurt your shoulder? It came out. Are you are you
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just gonna you know, you solidified yourself. I said, am
I gonna play? That's Courtney Brown sitting right there, like
you look over there, there's Courtney Brown. I never saw
a man look like Courtney Brown. There he is right there.
There's Brandon Short right there. There's David Macklin. There's Derek
Fox like, there's David Flishawer. There's a Monty Bell. Am
I gonna play? Here's Mac Morrison right here next right
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next to me, Say hi, Mac, Like, am I gonna play?
I get another opportunity to suit up. I'll never get
the opportunity to play with this collection of guys ever
again in my life, no matter how good I I,
how good the teammates I had in the pros, this collection,
this group of dudes that I swept with, bled with,
crap with, cramp with whatever, I'll never get this opportunity again.
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I had to go play. I mean, it wasn't even
a thought, but man just just just humbled by it. Man,
super super super stoked about it for certain man. That's awesome.
Call me Hall of Fame, uh LaVar Now, College Hall
of Fame, h O effort. Call me College Hall of Fame,
LaVar h O effort. Uh. And and it's in Atlanta, right,
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the College Football Hall of Fame, and the dinners in
in Las Vegas. That's right. Yeah, next December, baby, baby,
we gotta go. We gotta go, we gotta go. All right,
that's that sounds like like a dangerous weekend, but all right,
let's make it happen. Uh So there it is. Congratulations
past ten o'clock. Alright, just make it, make it past
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the dinner Tenny Easterner, What are we talking about? Because
I'll work on it. One beer, Yeah I have, I'll
have time to work on read the double fist in
the congratulations to the College Football Hall of Famer LaVar Arrington. Uh.
Well deserved and and awesome to get to share the
moment with you here on FSR up next here on
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We're here to help push you over the edge, you know,
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need a little bit of dose of our two slappy
asses to go ahead and get you over the edge there.
I'm certain you need at in emphasis on the on
the word little there. Yeah. So we're often routted here
on a Thursday morning. By the way, coming up later
on this hour, we are going to get into another
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edition of in case you missed it, all sorts of
goofy stuff in the world of sports and beyond that
we'll have fun with as we had to do a
busy Week eight team in the NFL. UM the Antonio
Brown saga continues to take every twist and turn in
the book. Uh, the latest is a m There was
a I guess a press release or something written up
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by Antonio Brown. Yeah, it was very well written. It
was I mean, it seemed like, you know, I'll take
his word for it. Yeah, and um so he just
basically to sum up the long and very long explanation
of what happened on Sunday. UM the Bucks mishandled his injury,
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he couldn't go back into a game. Bruce Arians was
upset that he wouldn't go back into the game because
of the injury, and he gave him sort of a
throat slash gesture like you're done, to which Antonio Brown
walked off the field. He made sure to point out
there although he was jogging off the field, there's a
big difference with the injury he has between jogging off
the field and going into the tunnel as opposed to
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getting off the line of scrimmage and playing football. So
on and so forth. But this is the latest turn
in the Antonio Brown saga and and Brady. As we
discussed and you point out yesterday this this is maybe
why the Buccaneers and Bruce arians tone changed so much
from right after the game to the following day, because
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they felt like maybe this was on the brink of happening. Yeah,
clearly there was more to this story. And you know
what we get all caught up in on the outside
is how Antonio Brown demonstrated his frustrations. And I'll just
reiterate what I said yesterday. It doesn't make it right
what he did, but if but now, I think when
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you hear his side of the story, and that's it's
always a he said, he said thing. In this situation,
you know, you're seeing the fact that Okay, so he
set out practice that week, he'd miss some games in
time due to this ankle injury. He he now is
in a position where their team is making a playoff push.
They need him because arguably their best receiver, Chris Godwin's
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out for the rest of the season, and so he's
being asked to go play when he they know he's
not a percent, he's got incentives on the line, and
so he's doing what he can to get out there.
And yet he's in pain. It's not working out, and
he's like, yeah, I don't. I'm not gonna go in there.
I can't be the player I need to be or
that you want me to be. Like, and they're telling
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me to go play, but I can't do that and
I'm not getting the ball anyway. So like, what's the point.
I mean, we could We talked about that that Super
Bowl with the Eagles when Teo was playing on what
was a fractured foot or ankle um, whatever the case was.
It wasn't like they weren't throwing to him. He wasn't
out there's a decoy, like he was a part of
that offense, Like he he was sacrificing for his team,
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and they were making sure he was at least targeted
and rewarded for that. And in this case, like an Totio,
Brown really wasn't as much a part of it. And
he and he admitted, he said, look, we're losing the Jets.
It's disappointing. You know, we were a large, double digit
favorite to beat this team. We should beat this team
with defending Super Bowl champs, and so I think you
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can start to see some of the reason of Look,
this is an eccentric dude. This is how he kind
of acts out at times. But this isn't a news
flash for anyone out there who knows Antonio Brown. This
kind of stuff is in the the realm of what
he's potentially able to do. And he was acting out,
at least from what his words are now, because of
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what they were asking to do. And a guy in
Bruce Arians, who I mean looks Say what you want
about Bruce Arians. The reality is like, look, these two
have been together before. You know, be A was in
Pittsburgh as an o c with Antonio Brown early in
his career, and now they come full circle and you
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see them together again. They went a Super Bowl together,
and he's trying to come out so like you could
see how like I tend to think, you act more
emotionally when you get an arguments or fights with the
people that you care about the most, right or that
could hurt you the most. And I'm sure of of
all the things Antonio Brown has been through, I'm sure
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when it comes down to it, you know, Bruce Arians
is like probably one of those coaches and players. I mean,
he was the only coach last year who was willing
to take a chance on a b Let's be real
about this, the whole vaccination thing. He was the only
one to He didn't just cut him, he could have,
he didn't say that. He welcomed him back onto the
team and they dealt with the injury and everything else
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to get it back. So you know, there's also that
element of it where I mean and and look, Bruce
arians is the type of guy that will literally come
and air you out to the beaty on Monday and
then turn around on Wednesday and and tell you how
how great you are and everything else. Like he's that
kind of coach. It's a vault, it's a volatile relationship
and how he handles things. So I just think more
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we hear to the story. I'm not saying I sympathize
by how Antonio Brown acted out, and I even think
he regrets that to maybe some degree at least based
on his words, or his agents words or his attorney.
But the reality is there's a lot more to this story,
and I think it paints a picture of the emotions
that go involved to a player plan who's who's banged up,
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not feeling good, and like that combination of the physicality
and the emotions and the pain and everything else that
goes behind it, and the relationships involved too. I just
I I still lean into it wasn't that big of
a deal until it was made a big deal. Like
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the the backlash, the everything that has come after is
is really based upon people looking for something to have
a story about. Because this is a high profile person
who was a part of it. It's a high profile team.
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It's connected to maybe the most high profile player in
all of of the National Football League and all of football.
And we took a moment where a b put the
spotlight on himself and on that team by what he did.
And regardless of whatever happened, whatever was said, whatever whatever
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happened before he did that, it was what it was,
you know, that talking about, well, we're gonna cut your
ass if you if you don't go back out there
on the field. Please please remind people out there, Brady
that uh, there have been far, far, and when I
say far, I mean very very far away worst things
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said to a player on the sideline and on a
practice field, and that doesn't necessarily mean that that's what's
going to happen right right like, especially because he's still
in the roster now, right, it didn't cut him anyway.
It's like, so there's a joke that Parcels fired guys
on his staff five or six different times. I mean people,
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some people communicate and threatening manners like that's what they do.
They old school style of coaching a lot of time
is to be derogatory, like that's just part of football culture.
You don't just learn that being in the pros that
that's even a part of little league and and and
in some places the language is just as bad and
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little league football as it is at the pro level.
So not saying it's right, but I'm saying it's a
part of that culture. And and to look at the
entirety of everything that happens, it's still doesn't justify the
way he handled what he did. It just doesn't justify
no matter what he writes, I could care less who
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wrote it. If he had somebody composed it for him, great,
If he composed it, great, who cares. The bottom line is,
if you have an injury, you need to get attention
to then get attention to it. Yeah yeah, I just
I just think that there's no way of justifying it
from any angle. Here's how I kind of I kind
of look at it. And I'm not trying to justify,
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just trying to add I guess more perspective to it
is it's kind of like you know, and and we've
you know, probably some people out there have experienced it.
You end up dating an absolute smoke show, right, But
what comes along with that is like sometimes some crazy
or sometimes something that's a little bit off right, Like
you know, you're like, well, I don't understand why she's single,
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and then next thing, you know, some little thing happens
and she's exploding or getting all emotional and you're like, oh, now,
like yeah, it's a little bit crazy. But like when
when things are going well, it's going well, you're like,
this is the greatest thing ever tolet seat up. She
pulls out a switchblade where I'm sorry, that was where
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I crossed the line, Like like this is this is
kind of like that situation where like you got yourself
a little battye and like you don't realize that she
Craig Cray feel like you crossed that line and you're like, oh,
this can happen, Like we haven't seen that sort of
element of craziness. Were like Antonio Brown didn't come on
the field because he couldn't figure out which helmet he
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wanted to want it or he he was in his
rehab process. He singed off his feet in our cryodchamber,
Like we haven't seen that degree of like that craziness
come to training camp in the air balloon and almost
And also isn't this part of I think the problem
and the reason why he's not going to get the
benefit of the doubt from from whoever is out there
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and who knows how this is going to play out?
Is like to Brady's point, we've seen how many instances
where he walks out on a team where he you know,
he's a pregame wearing a mink coat at the Steelers
final game or whatever it was a couple of years ago,
and then Bails could give him a benefit of the doubt.
And and also and Dr David Chow is going to
join us, you know, talking about the medical aspect of
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because he's pointed out it looked like he was injured.
So you mean to tell me that not one team
physician spoke to him on the sideline. Nobody came up
to him trying to talk to him. Because what I
saw was guys trying to talk to him, and he
didn't want to have any of it. So so that's
the part of this because he he accused Arians of
not sending over any medical staff not and you guys
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know better than me how that works and what the
what the what the protocol is on when they're supposed
to go over and when they're supposed to talk to
a player, but it just nobody wants this. We don't
have that video of even really the altercation between Bruce
Serrians and Sonyo Brown. I mean, all I've seen is
him talking to Mike Evans and then taking off his
pads and all that. And that's the hard thing is
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we don't have like an entire shot of the sideline.
And I assume you know, there's probably an ALL twenty
two where probably his attorney or agent is making a
case to the NFL p A or to the NFL.
However this is gonna go and and especially if he
gets released, right and they'll file a grievance, but they're
probably saying, like, look, we spelled everything out for you.
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This is what happened leading up. You can see on
the sidelines, like there's a conversation here, a conversation here
or there wasn't one with the with the training staff,
and this is what led to all of this. Now, again,
it doesn't justify how he acted and what he did.
And I think even to a degree he again he's
remorseful to an extent. I don't know to what extent
I mean, Honestly, part of me is just hoping this
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whole thing. Now granted you know it works itself out.
It sounds like it doesn't matter because he's gonna have
to get surgery or need surgery, but it would be
amazing to see if they could come full circle. Because
you're making me this is perculating. Now, do you think
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in the midst of everything that was taking place that
it's possible that Antonio Brown actually ran every scenario that
you're talking about through his head and felt as though
if he makes a spectacle of this moment of where
he was said the things that were said to him,
that if I make the spectacle big enough that I
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can benefit from it on the other side of it
in a settlement, how much would that be, Like would
we have any idea as to what how like what
dollar figure does does that exceed what he would have
made in those bonuses, is there, like what it would
it have made sense for him to do this in
some way where the calculation is by doing this, they
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can't deny what it is that I'm saying about my
ankle right now. I gotta be honest with you. I
don't know that he's was cognizant of that exacting at
the moment, at least as far as the monetary thing.
But I do think there was a point where he
was probably like, no, no, no no, no, no, no, you're
not gonna win on this because I think about the
reality of this. They played the majority of the season
without him, or a good portion. I haven't really needed him.
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Now they need him. And if he is indeed dealing
with this ankle and it's it's as bad as he
says it is, and he couldn't play he wasn't healthy,
and what would they probably do? They probably just you know,
end up releasing him and and and giving him an
injury setting so which which you and I both know
he wouldn't make as much money that way. Now in
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this case, to your point, yeah, he probably will would
end up being able to make more from this, and
there might be a part of his head where he's like,
I've played long enough, I know this game well enough
where I'm not gonna let you guys just release me,
give me an injury settlement for me trying to fight
my way back and now trying to beat the guy
for you, and now you're just gonna cut me Like
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I I ain't had it here in that noise. So
to that question, I do think there is some logic
and like I've been around Antonio Brown a little bit,
all right, mostly in training and it's been a while,
but one of the things you kind of when you're
around him, I'll say this, he's got one of those
personalities that can light up the room or hit that
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switch and shut the lights out, like it is that
sort of dynamic personality, Like he's got one of those
smiles and one of those like jovial kind of ways
about himself where you feel like when when he's on,
he's on, he's fun to be around. He's a good dude.
When he's not, it's it's a it's a it can
get ugly and so you you see both sides of that.
But like I do think he is savvier than Yes, yes,
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he's definitely savvier with all this stuff and maybe maybe
there's something to that and and all. Honestly, LaVar like
like maybe he was sitting there if thinking to run
it through his head before he blew up. He had time.
They had a little bit of time to sit on. Hey,
I'll tell you I was bitched my last year and Washington,
you have a lot of time to think about a
lot of things. Leave me on that bitch. He had
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in for Lee to lab Coop, what the hell is
going on? Thank you, Jonas. Now, there was some interesting
(33:09):
stuff in the latest NFL issued memo recently. Now they're
talking about teens can be docked draft picks now and
face major finds if they find a uh, interviews for
you know, prospects are inappropriate now. I don't know if
you guys remember there's been some some weird stories like
(33:31):
does Bryant said that he was asked whether his mother
was a prostitute and whether she was using drugs. Um,
that's not funny, Jonas. It's so egregious. Like if somebody
walked up to you and ask you that would be
like wait, what would like you wouldn't have to say
(33:52):
another word, I just deck you in your face. I
mean I might have to be on that with you.
Now if Abe had had something based off of that,
I'd be all in witting. I mean, how do we
know that? More things said? I mean, that's a good point,
jonas does Bruce Areas. I mean, if they said, I'm
gonna cut you so you could go back home and
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be with your prostitute mama, I would be all in
with a b Yeah. But but make sure make sure that,
hey sure, make sure that because because they're gonna come
for Bruce Areas. Canceled culture is coming from Bruce Areas
and something like that, touchdown your mama, pros your mama,
I'm gonna cut you so you could go be at
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home with your your prostitute. Ridiculous. So so no more
of those, not no more of those, I mean more recently,
you know, the guys were asked about their sexual preference.
So I guess you know what, yeah, Eli apple du
that's not racist. There you go, you go kind of
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I guess orientationists right. They're also they got rid of
the wonder Lick. No no more wonder Lick test because
nobody cared about it. It's not the QBS and alignment.
It's not that no one cares like you do need
to have a baseline of testing guys, and that was it,
Like it's no different in school where we act like
(35:19):
baseline testing now is like I don't want to get
into this, It's such a dumb So stupid dudes were
going up in that joint G A B B A
D D A D like they were seeing how many
times they could spell different words like tab dad tab.
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There's what I don't get is you're about ready to
invest possibly millions of dollars into an individual wouce you
want to vet And I'm not making a case for
the stuff asking about someone's mama, but once you want to,
as far as testing goes from a physical, emotional, mental side,
have all the data and information you could get. I mean,
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what other profession are you going into where you make
that type of money for what it is that you're doing.
That's what I'm saying is so why wouldn't you test them?
And why why would you get rid of things that
give you some idea degree of whether it's intelligence or
how it ends up playing a part. I mean, is
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this the nfl P A who pushed for this because
because the DA Is this the n f l P
A saying hey, we may have lost our ass on
the new new CBA. But guess what, no more wonder
like test guys. So you should feel better about that.
How about this? Why don't we just stop letting everything
from the combine become public? Like, why don't we perfect?
Like I remember going to the combine and guys were
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asked to be under oath whether or not they did
mayor wanted to drugs. And they're like, oh yeah, this
won't get out. And of course, literally a day after
the combine ends, it gets out this list of guys
who admitted to smoking weed. No, I just that's how
this thing operates. And so and then what happens is
we get these wonderlick tests. You get guys who do
bad have bad scores, are bad results, people make fun
(37:08):
of them. And it's because it gets leaked out. It's
like we we tend to focus on the wrong things.
It's like, all right, let's just stop testing guys in general,
and let's just you know, let's just get rid of
that and let's try to get rid of all this
other stuff that could get leaked out. Why don't you
stop the leaks? How about that? Rats, that's a good point.
What else you got man, let's get away from you know,
(37:30):
selling selling things for sure. Yeah. Do you guys know
what hitting the gritty is? Yeah, I guess I'm not.
I'm not. Let me, let me let me in on this. Yeah.
Oh yeah, okay that the Jefferson Okay, Brady knows every point.
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Are you are? You? Are you coat? Come on, everybody's
trying to do it justin. Jefferson does it every time
he school you better be careful if you do it right. Yeah, well,
I guess. Yeah. Apparently Adam Schefter torres a c L.
He looked horrible meniscus or a cl Okay, it would
have been better if it was his a CI. I'll
(38:13):
just be I'm not wishing him, but okay, he looked
horrible doing it. You guys have told me the Turft
Soldier fields pretty banged up. I think that's where it happened.
So maybe he's got oh so he's doing to a
just saying maybe he's got a gripe. He's putting it
out there. He's putting it out there that he needs
injury injury settlement. The only problem is it's not going
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to prevent him from doing his job. Like his job,
I could not get any more inside information. Due to
the injury that I sustained, it would have been worse
if he tripped and fell broke his thumbs, and he
could well, maybe you know, he can end up the
Washington football team and uh, you know, see if they
(38:54):
can confirm or den either report, maybe he can go
lean up against one of them bleacher A, Mr. Editor,
Did I tear my meniscus? Let me lock my knee,
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until nine am Eastern times, six o'clock Pacific. And Brady Quinny,
I can't help but notice that there's like, um, I
don't know, like an air of greatness on this show today.
(01:30):
I don't know what it is. It's like almost like
it's always been here. Just think maybe you didn't recognize it.
It wasn't being recognized for what it is. See, I
think we recognize it. I'm just not sure that everybody
else recognize it. But but now you can't even dispute it.
I mean, it feels like this show has got some
sort of uh an added to it, you know what
(01:51):
I mean? Like there's some there's something additional that's been
added on top of the show and maybe somebody's credentials here, LaVar,
what are your thoughts on that? I mean, if you
ever come back where you remember, you didn't have an answer,
I'll tell you what. I'm still kind of in shock
(02:12):
about it. Let me give you a backstory here. I thought,
when when Brady was talking about coach stoops and and congratulating,
and I saw al Al Wilson's my guy. I saw,
you know, he was being congratulated. I was like, man,
I missed it, Like I missed it, you know. I
thought I was done. And I was sitting at home yesterday,
(02:35):
and as I know it, the chapter of my life
of football has officially come to a close. I hit
my final resting place yesterday. Man. Pretty cool, and what happened? Ye? Man?
So so here this is pretty cool. Man. I'm sitting
at home and my oldest son came in town. He
goes to Lakawana College in Pennsylvania and he just got
(02:59):
him and his girl friend just got in town yesterday.
So I get the ball, I get, I get, I
get the box that's in front of my door. There's
a box there, and said you know, grab it. I'm like,
I don't get any boxes. By the way, I don't shop,
I don't do anything. Everything my my wife orders or
my my kids order, um my daughters. And I grabbed
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the boxing. It's like LaVar on the box. I don't
think notne of it. I'm like, it's still a holiday.
So I probably got a gift from somebody or whatever.
And I go sit down and my son walks in.
I'm like, more into my son, and this that another
and so I sit down. I opened up the box
and I'm looking at it. I was like, this is
a this is a cruel This is a cruel joke.
You know, it's pretty cruel. Um it's a football. I
(03:42):
see the football and I look at it and it's
it's like congratulations. I'm like what wait hold hawk? And
so I start trying to figure out if there were
like multiple publications or multiple multiple awards that were given
for for this and it was the National Football Foundation
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Hall of Fame. Man, I got into the class. I'll
never think about playing ever again. I wish I could
say I had a Hall of Fame worthy pro career,
but I know in reality I didn't. And and so
(04:27):
as I set my expectations on every every single thing
that I've accomplished as as a player. The one thing
that and and even when I was in the pros,
when I left college, college always meant a whole lot
more to me. For some strange reason, I always felt
like it was truly business once I got to the pros,
(04:47):
and it just meant a lot to always told people
if I could get into a hall of fame that
meant the most to me, it would have been college.
It would be college Football Hall of Fame, just because
you know, I mean, I guess with portals now it's
it's different, But your college was your college, you know
back in the day that that that's like, that's not
gonna change. And the Pros, your team can change. Things
(05:11):
can change in the heartbeat that you don't have any
real control over. But in college, colleges, your college right
like you have friends, you go to class with you,
you you hang out at the local pubs together, you
you do all kinds you know, the the parties at
the apartments and stuff like that. Just so many different
things that are connected to college that meant so much
(05:33):
to the formation of who I became as as a man.
And you know, I just I wanted this. I wanted
this pretty bad and I wanted this pretty badly. Man.
So I'm like, I'm still in kind of like shocking
disbelief about it. You know. When I told told the
family and stuff like that, they they were like, you know,
are you okay? Like you don't seem to have like
(05:53):
any real facial expressions, and I was like, I was
kind of in shock because I thought I didn't get in.
If you guys remember like when when you we were
talking about it, Brady, like you were talking about coach dudes,
I was like, man, yeah, that was for this past
that was for this past year. That's all. It's like,
I didn't know. I was like, yeah, dude, like they
are that said a while ago for him, I didn't know.
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But it's like it's like you're thinking you read the
wrong lotto numbers. I was so deep and thought I
just thought I missed it, Like maybe next year you
thought you threw away, you know. I was like, this
is a cruel joke, guy, And I didn't think they
were picking until next January, you know, That's what I
was thinking. But I got it. And thank you to
(06:35):
the National Football Foundation and and and the directors and
everyone who played a part in it. Thank you to
all my teammates, you know, thank you to my coaches.
Shouts out to Joe rest Easy uh Man hard too
hard to give a shout out to to my position
coach and to our defensive coordinator. Um with everything that
has happened, but man it it was a tremendous That
(06:57):
was a tremendous ride. That's awesome. Can I just say
two things of all you know, one I think maybe
college and I want to speak for you, but but
it might mean more in some ways too, because you know, college,
you have that you have control over that decision where
you go, where you choose to go. And and that's
the hard thing I think about the NFL is you
(07:18):
don't you're born into a situation where I mean not
to make it applicable to like life, but there's some
people who are born into situations where it's hard to
get out and it's hard to battle through it. And
and that's the thing about colleges is like you at
least have the opportunity to choose where you want to
go and set forth on that path. And your path
(07:39):
was littered with greatness and that's why you're in the
position you're in. But the one thing he said was like,
you know, you're kind of closing this chapter of football.
I hope you don't, because just from working with you
and knowing you, there's so many gifts and lessons that
I think you have to share with so many people,
and especially young people about the game. So I hope it.
(08:00):
I know you're saying, hey, it closes, it's kind of
put l I p to that portion of it. But
I hope that the teaching never never stops. I hope
that never stops. For the game. I'm with you there now,
I'm with you there, Hey, listen to the game is
is to be sold, not told, And I'm I'm all
for giving it to to all of the next generations
of guys. Everybody knows that, So yeah, I just for me.
(08:22):
I told my I told my kids and my my
my daughter told me latelist said, you know, you should
put that on a T shirt. I said, come visit me,
Come visit me at the College Football Hall of Fame.
Don't go to my grave site, like, don't go, don't
don't worry about going to where I'm buried. Come come
see me. In at the hall, like that's that's how
I felt. I felt yesterday like I can go now
(08:44):
like if I left here today, I've I've put in
place a legacy that's made my name more than what
my father made it. And that's what you're supposed to do.
You're you're supposed to when you're the son of a man,
you're supposed to or or your son a daughter of
of of a woman, you're supposed to further what your
family is doing, what their legacy is. I've done my
(09:08):
part for the legacy of my family and and so
that's that for me. That it was one of the
most amazing moments sitting there, and I just I shared
it with my family like I shared it with you guys,
um and it was just I don't know, it's still
kind of surreal, you know, to know that you did
something significant enough and in a lot of your accolades,
(09:30):
after you play the game, uh go into if you're
going to be selected. So they're looking at good citizens.
So I've tried to be an upright citizen and everything
that I do, I've tried to be a person of service,
tremendous service I've I've always given myself. I've never really
done for myself. I don't I don't do anything for myself.
So to to have an award that kind of represents
(09:54):
your your works, I've never received like a community service award.
I was never up for Walter Payton Man of the Year.
And and and you know, some people ask me that does
that bother you? And I've always said to people, if
if I can do service for for people on on
a consistent basis, I don't necessarily need the accolades that
(10:15):
go with it. I just want to be able to
impact people's lives. And and as long as you're able
to do that, and I'm able to do that, I
know that I'm going in the right direction for for
what my life's purpose is. So, you know, I I've
never had any type of real awards in terms of that,
but I felt like this was a largely in part
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a lot of what I've done post career would would
lee because there's been a lot of a lot of
qualified dudes that are on on that list. So I'm
just humbled, man, I'm humbled by it. I'm I'm I'm
you know, I don't know, man, It's pretty cool. And
one of the things that you said, And I know
Brady has mentioned this before, and and it's really anybody
that I've talked to who's played at the NFL or college,
(11:01):
it's you know, the NFL when you get there. It
is about the business. It's about the situation and circumstance,
and so many things change, so many other factors come
into it. But the last time you really for a
lot of guys that that I've heard from, the last
time they really loved and enjoyed football was at that
college level, at that high school and college level. And
it's a lot why we've talked about some of these
(11:23):
bowl games. These kids that are getting games canceled, that
are their last opportunities to go out there and play
with their guys, even if they're not a Hall of Famer,
just that era of their lives is so much fun
and they look back and they're so fond of it.
And to see you be rewarded for for that eras
that's awesome, man, So is the Goat. Like I don't
know about you, Brady, but I know for us we
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as friends. You go on recruiting visits, you get to
know people, and you know who the top guys are
and you start as friends, You're like, here's where we're
gonna go. We're gonna go, We're gonna go together as
and we're gonna try to win it all. And I
could recall they were about ten dudes, ten, ten twelve
dudes that we all like where we're going to camps together,
(12:05):
going to the college camps, and we're like, you know
where you think we are we thinking? And we chose
Penn State and and you know we we got rated
number one at one point in time. We never never
sailed the deal. But I do think that there's something
to be said also about the camaraderie of man, I
got banged up by this dude. Wasn't too many dudes
(12:28):
in high school that I went up against that bang
me up. A couple of dudes bang me up. And
we're going to school and we're gonna be playing on
the same side of the ball and and on the
same team together. So now we go from being opposition
to we're comrades, and and that's you know, I don't know.
It made me think a lot about it made me
go through the mental emotional aspects of what what football
(12:52):
has to offer. And it's so funny. Are you're talking
about bowl games because it's like my last bowl game
in the Alamo Bowl in Texas, say and them. I
didn't give it not one thought as to if I
was going to play that game. There were so many,
so many people asking like, are you gonna play? You
hurt your shoulder? It came out. Are you are you
(13:12):
just gonna you know, you solidified yourself. I said, am
I gonna play? That's Courtney Brown sitting right there, like
you look over there, there's Courtney Brown. I never saw
a man look like Courtney Brown. There he is right there.
There's Brandon Short right there. There's David Macklin. There's Derek
Fox like, there's David Flishawer. There's a Monty Bell. Am
I gonna play? Here's Mac Morrison right here next right
(13:33):
next to me, Say hi, Mac, Like, am I gonna play?
I get another opportunity to suit up. I'll never get
the opportunity to play with this collection of guys ever
again in my life, no matter how good I I,
how good the teammates I had in the pros, this collection,
this group of dudes that I swept with, bled with,
crap with, cramp with whatever, I'll never get this opportunity again.
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I had to go play. I mean, it wasn't even
a thought, but man just just just humbled by it. Man,
super super super stoked about it for certain man. That's awesome.
Call me Hall of Fame, uh LaVar Now, College Hall
of Fame, h O effort. Call me College Hall of Fame,
LaVar h O effort. Uh. And and it's in Atlanta, right,
(14:20):
the College Football Hall of Fame, and the dinners in
in Las Vegas. That's right. Yeah, next December, baby, baby,
we gotta go. We gotta go, we gotta go. All right,
that's that sounds like like a dangerous weekend, but all right,
let's make it happen. Uh So there it is. Congratulations
past ten o'clock. Alright, just make it, make it past
(14:43):
the dinner Tenny Easterner, What are we talking about? Because
I'll work on it. One beer, Yeah I have, I'll
have time to work on read the double fist in
the congratulations to the College Football Hall of Famer LaVar Arrington. Uh.
Well deserved and and awesome to get to share the
moment with you here on FSR up next here on
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We're here to help push you over the edge, you know,
like like you were just about there. I think you
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need a little bit of dose of our two slappy
asses to go ahead and get you over the edge there.
I'm certain you need at in emphasis on the on
the word little there. Yeah. So we're often routted here
on a Thursday morning. By the way, coming up later
on this hour, we are going to get into another
(16:08):
edition of in case you missed it, all sorts of
goofy stuff in the world of sports and beyond that
we'll have fun with as we had to do a
busy Week eight team in the NFL. UM the Antonio
Brown saga continues to take every twist and turn in
the book. Uh, the latest is a m There was
a I guess a press release or something written up
(16:29):
by Antonio Brown. Yeah, it was very well written. It
was I mean, it seemed like, you know, I'll take
his word for it. Yeah, and um so he just
basically to sum up the long and very long explanation
of what happened on Sunday. UM the Bucks mishandled his injury,
(16:51):
he couldn't go back into a game. Bruce Arians was
upset that he wouldn't go back into the game because
of the injury, and he gave him sort of a
throat slash gesture like you're done, to which Antonio Brown
walked off the field. He made sure to point out
there although he was jogging off the field, there's a
big difference with the injury he has between jogging off
the field and going into the tunnel as opposed to
(17:12):
getting off the line of scrimmage and playing football. So
on and so forth. But this is the latest turn
in the Antonio Brown saga and and Brady. As we
discussed and you point out yesterday this this is maybe
why the Buccaneers and Bruce arians tone changed so much
from right after the game to the following day, because
(17:33):
they felt like maybe this was on the brink of happening. Yeah,
clearly there was more to this story. And you know
what we get all caught up in on the outside
is how Antonio Brown demonstrated his frustrations. And I'll just
reiterate what I said yesterday. It doesn't make it right
what he did, but if but now, I think when
(17:55):
you hear his side of the story, and that's it's
always a he said, he said thing. In this situation,
you know, you're seeing the fact that Okay, so he
set out practice that week, he'd miss some games in
time due to this ankle injury. He he now is
in a position where their team is making a playoff push.
They need him because arguably their best receiver, Chris Godwin's
(18:17):
out for the rest of the season, and so he's
being asked to go play when he they know he's
not a percent, he's got incentives on the line, and
so he's doing what he can to get out there.
And yet he's in pain. It's not working out, and
he's like, yeah, I don't. I'm not gonna go in there.
I can't be the player I need to be or
that you want me to be. Like, and they're telling
(18:39):
me to go play, but I can't do that and
I'm not getting the ball anyway. So like, what's the point.
I mean, we could We talked about that that Super
Bowl with the Eagles when Teo was playing on what
was a fractured foot or ankle um, whatever the case was.
It wasn't like they weren't throwing to him. He wasn't
out there's a decoy, like he was a part of
that offense, Like he he was sacrificing for his team,
(19:03):
and they were making sure he was at least targeted
and rewarded for that. And in this case, like an Totio,
Brown really wasn't as much a part of it. And
he and he admitted, he said, look, we're losing the Jets.
It's disappointing. You know, we were a large, double digit
favorite to beat this team. We should beat this team
with defending Super Bowl champs, and so I think you
(19:25):
can start to see some of the reason of Look,
this is an eccentric dude. This is how he kind
of acts out at times. But this isn't a news
flash for anyone out there who knows Antonio Brown. This
kind of stuff is in the the realm of what
he's potentially able to do. And he was acting out,
at least from what his words are now, because of
(19:47):
what they were asking to do. And a guy in
Bruce Arians, who I mean looks Say what you want
about Bruce Arians. The reality is like, look, these two
have been together before. You know, be A was in
Pittsburgh as an o c with Antonio Brown early in
his career, and now they come full circle and you
(20:08):
see them together again. They went a Super Bowl together,
and he's trying to come out so like you could
see how like I tend to think, you act more
emotionally when you get an arguments or fights with the
people that you care about the most, right or that
could hurt you the most. And I'm sure of of
all the things Antonio Brown has been through, I'm sure
(20:29):
when it comes down to it, you know, Bruce Arians
is like probably one of those coaches and players. I mean,
he was the only coach last year who was willing
to take a chance on a b Let's be real
about this, the whole vaccination thing. He was the only
one to He didn't just cut him, he could have,
he didn't say that. He welcomed him back onto the
team and they dealt with the injury and everything else
(20:51):
to get it back. So you know, there's also that
element of it where I mean and and look, Bruce
arians is the type of guy that will literally come
and air you out to the beaty on Monday and
then turn around on Wednesday and and tell you how
how great you are and everything else. Like he's that
kind of coach. It's a vault, it's a volatile relationship
and how he handles things. So I just think more
(21:11):
we hear to the story. I'm not saying I sympathize
by how Antonio Brown acted out, and I even think
he regrets that to maybe some degree at least based
on his words, or his agents words or his attorney.
But the reality is there's a lot more to this story,
and I think it paints a picture of the emotions
that go involved to a player plan who's who's banged up,
(21:33):
not feeling good, and like that combination of the physicality
and the emotions and the pain and everything else that
goes behind it, and the relationships involved too. I just
I I still lean into it wasn't that big of
a deal until it was made a big deal. Like
(21:55):
the the backlash, the everything that has come after is
is really based upon people looking for something to have
a story about. Because this is a high profile person
who was a part of it. It's a high profile team.
(22:15):
It's connected to maybe the most high profile player in
all of of the National Football League and all of football.
And we took a moment where a b put the
spotlight on himself and on that team by what he did.
And regardless of whatever happened, whatever was said, whatever whatever
(22:39):
happened before he did that, it was what it was,
you know, that talking about, well, we're gonna cut your
ass if you if you don't go back out there
on the field. Please please remind people out there, Brady
that uh, there have been far, far, and when I
say far, I mean very very far away worst things
(23:02):
said to a player on the sideline and on a
practice field, and that doesn't necessarily mean that that's what's
going to happen right right like, especially because he's still
in the roster now, right, it didn't cut him anyway.
It's like, so there's a joke that Parcels fired guys
on his staff five or six different times. I mean people,
(23:25):
some people communicate and threatening manners like that's what they do.
They old school style of coaching a lot of time
is to be derogatory, like that's just part of football culture.
You don't just learn that being in the pros that
that's even a part of little league and and and
in some places the language is just as bad and
(23:47):
little league football as it is at the pro level.
So not saying it's right, but I'm saying it's a
part of that culture. And and to look at the
entirety of everything that happens, it's still doesn't justify the
way he handled what he did. It just doesn't justify
no matter what he writes, I could care less who
(24:08):
wrote it. If he had somebody composed it for him, great,
If he composed it, great, who cares. The bottom line is,
if you have an injury, you need to get attention
to then get attention to it. Yeah yeah, I just
I just think that there's no way of justifying it
from any angle. Here's how I kind of I kind
of look at it. And I'm not trying to justify,
(24:30):
just trying to add I guess more perspective to it
is it's kind of like you know, and and we've
you know, probably some people out there have experienced it.
You end up dating an absolute smoke show, right, But
what comes along with that is like sometimes some crazy
or sometimes something that's a little bit off right, Like
you know, you're like, well, I don't understand why she's single,
(24:52):
and then next thing, you know, some little thing happens
and she's exploding or getting all emotional and you're like, oh, now,
like yeah, it's a little bit crazy. But like when
when things are going well, it's going well, you're like,
this is the greatest thing ever tolet seat up. She
pulls out a switchblade where I'm sorry, that was where
(25:14):
I crossed the line, Like like this is this is
kind of like that situation where like you got yourself
a little battye and like you don't realize that she
Craig Cray feel like you crossed that line and you're like, oh,
this can happen, Like we haven't seen that sort of
element of craziness. Were like Antonio Brown didn't come on
the field because he couldn't figure out which helmet he
(25:34):
wanted to want it or he he was in his
rehab process. He singed off his feet in our cryodchamber,
Like we haven't seen that degree of like that craziness
come to training camp in the air balloon and almost
And also isn't this part of I think the problem
and the reason why he's not going to get the
benefit of the doubt from from whoever is out there
(25:56):
and who knows how this is going to play out?
Is like to Brady's point, we've seen how many instances
where he walks out on a team where he you know,
he's a pregame wearing a mink coat at the Steelers
final game or whatever it was a couple of years ago,
and then Bails could give him a benefit of the doubt.
And and also and Dr David Chow is going to
join us, you know, talking about the medical aspect of
(26:17):
because he's pointed out it looked like he was injured.
So you mean to tell me that not one team
physician spoke to him on the sideline. Nobody came up
to him trying to talk to him. Because what I
saw was guys trying to talk to him, and he
didn't want to have any of it. So so that's
the part of this because he he accused Arians of
not sending over any medical staff not and you guys
(26:38):
know better than me how that works and what the
what the what the protocol is on when they're supposed
to go over and when they're supposed to talk to
a player, but it just nobody wants this. We don't
have that video of even really the altercation between Bruce
Serrians and Sonyo Brown. I mean, all I've seen is
him talking to Mike Evans and then taking off his
pads and all that. And that's the hard thing is
(27:00):
we don't have like an entire shot of the sideline.
And I assume you know, there's probably an ALL twenty
two where probably his attorney or agent is making a
case to the NFL p A or to the NFL.
However this is gonna go and and especially if he
gets released, right and they'll file a grievance, but they're
probably saying, like, look, we spelled everything out for you.
(27:23):
This is what happened leading up. You can see on
the sidelines, like there's a conversation here, a conversation here
or there wasn't one with the with the training staff,
and this is what led to all of this. Now, again,
it doesn't justify how he acted and what he did.
And I think even to a degree he again he's
remorseful to an extent. I don't know to what extent
I mean, Honestly, part of me is just hoping this
(27:44):
whole thing. Now granted you know it works itself out.
It sounds like it doesn't matter because he's gonna have
to get surgery or need surgery, but it would be
amazing to see if they could come full circle. Because
you're making me this is perculating. Now, do you think
(28:06):
in the midst of everything that was taking place that
it's possible that Antonio Brown actually ran every scenario that
you're talking about through his head and felt as though
if he makes a spectacle of this moment of where
he was said the things that were said to him,
that if I make the spectacle big enough that I
(28:27):
can benefit from it on the other side of it
in a settlement, how much would that be, Like would
we have any idea as to what how like what
dollar figure does does that exceed what he would have
made in those bonuses, is there, like what it would
it have made sense for him to do this in
some way where the calculation is by doing this, they
(28:49):
can't deny what it is that I'm saying about my
ankle right now. I gotta be honest with you. I
don't know that he's was cognizant of that exacting at
the moment, at least as far as the monetary thing.
But I do think there was a point where he
was probably like, no, no, no no, no, no, no, you're
not gonna win on this because I think about the
reality of this. They played the majority of the season
without him, or a good portion. I haven't really needed him.
(29:12):
Now they need him. And if he is indeed dealing
with this ankle and it's it's as bad as he
says it is, and he couldn't play he wasn't healthy,
and what would they probably do? They probably just you know,
end up releasing him and and and giving him an
injury setting so which which you and I both know
he wouldn't make as much money that way. Now in
(29:32):
this case, to your point, yeah, he probably will would
end up being able to make more from this, and
there might be a part of his head where he's like,
I've played long enough, I know this game well enough
where I'm not gonna let you guys just release me,
give me an injury settlement for me trying to fight
my way back and now trying to beat the guy
for you, and now you're just gonna cut me Like
(29:52):
I I ain't had it here in that noise. So
to that question, I do think there is some logic
and like I've been around Antonio Brown a little bit,
all right, mostly in training and it's been a while,
but one of the things you kind of when you're
around him, I'll say this, he's got one of those
personalities that can light up the room or hit that
(30:13):
switch and shut the lights out, like it is that
sort of dynamic personality, Like he's got one of those
smiles and one of those like jovial kind of ways
about himself where you feel like when when he's on,
he's on, he's fun to be around. He's a good dude.
When he's not, it's it's a it's a it can
get ugly and so you you see both sides of that.
But like I do think he is savvier than Yes, yes,
(30:37):
he's definitely savvier with all this stuff and maybe maybe
there's something to that and and all. Honestly, LaVar like
like maybe he was sitting there if thinking to run
it through his head before he blew up. He had time.
They had a little bit of time to sit on. Hey,
I'll tell you I was bitched my last year and Washington,
you have a lot of time to think about a
lot of things. Leave me on that bitch. He had
(30:59):
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in for Lee to lab Coop, what the hell is
going on? Thank you, Jonas. Now, there was some interesting
(33:09):
stuff in the latest NFL issued memo recently. Now they're
talking about teens can be docked draft picks now and
face major finds if they find a uh, interviews for
you know, prospects are inappropriate now. I don't know if
you guys remember there's been some some weird stories like
(33:31):
does Bryant said that he was asked whether his mother
was a prostitute and whether she was using drugs. Um,
that's not funny, Jonas. It's so egregious. Like if somebody
walked up to you and ask you that would be
like wait, what would like you wouldn't have to say
(33:52):
another word, I just deck you in your face. I
mean I might have to be on that with you.
Now if Abe had had something based off of that,
I'd be all in witting. I mean, how do we
know that? More things said? I mean, that's a good point,
jonas does Bruce Areas. I mean, if they said, I'm
gonna cut you so you could go back home and
(34:12):
be with your prostitute mama, I would be all in
with a b Yeah. But but make sure make sure that,
hey sure, make sure that because because they're gonna come
for Bruce Areas. Canceled culture is coming from Bruce Areas
and something like that, touchdown your mama, pros your mama,
I'm gonna cut you so you could go be at
(34:34):
home with your your prostitute. Ridiculous. So so no more
of those, not no more of those, I mean more recently,
you know, the guys were asked about their sexual preference.
So I guess you know what, yeah, Eli apple du
that's not racist. There you go, you go kind of
(34:57):
I guess orientationists right. They're also they got rid of
the wonder Lick. No no more wonder Lick test because
nobody cared about it. It's not the QBS and alignment.
It's not that no one cares like you do need
to have a baseline of testing guys, and that was it,
Like it's no different in school where we act like
(35:19):
baseline testing now is like I don't want to get
into this, It's such a dumb So stupid dudes were
going up in that joint G A B B A
D D A D like they were seeing how many
times they could spell different words like tab dad tab.
(35:40):
There's what I don't get is you're about ready to
invest possibly millions of dollars into an individual wouce you
want to vet And I'm not making a case for
the stuff asking about someone's mama, but once you want to,
as far as testing goes from a physical, emotional, mental side,
have all the data and information you could get. I mean,
(36:02):
what other profession are you going into where you make
that type of money for what it is that you're doing.
That's what I'm saying is so why wouldn't you test them?
And why why would you get rid of things that
give you some idea degree of whether it's intelligence or
how it ends up playing a part. I mean, is
(36:23):
this the nfl P A who pushed for this because
because the DA Is this the n f l P
A saying hey, we may have lost our ass on
the new new CBA. But guess what, no more wonder
like test guys. So you should feel better about that.
How about this? Why don't we just stop letting everything
from the combine become public? Like, why don't we perfect?
Like I remember going to the combine and guys were
(36:45):
asked to be under oath whether or not they did
mayor wanted to drugs. And they're like, oh yeah, this
won't get out. And of course, literally a day after
the combine ends, it gets out this list of guys
who admitted to smoking weed. No, I just that's how
this thing operates. And so and then what happens is
we get these wonderlick tests. You get guys who do
bad have bad scores, are bad results, people make fun
(37:08):
of them. And it's because it gets leaked out. It's
like we we tend to focus on the wrong things.
It's like, all right, let's just stop testing guys in general,
and let's just you know, let's just get rid of
that and let's try to get rid of all this
other stuff that could get leaked out. Why don't you
stop the leaks? How about that? Rats, that's a good point.
What else you got man, let's get away from you know,
(37:30):
selling selling things for sure. Yeah. Do you guys know
what hitting the gritty is? Yeah, I guess I'm not.
I'm not. Let me, let me let me in on this. Yeah.
Oh yeah, okay that the Jefferson Okay, Brady knows every point.
(37:53):
Are you are? You? Are you coat? Come on, everybody's
trying to do it justin. Jefferson does it every time
he school you better be careful if you do it right. Yeah, well,
I guess. Yeah. Apparently Adam Schefter torres a c L.
He looked horrible meniscus or a cl Okay, it would
have been better if it was his a CI. I'll
(38:13):
just be I'm not wishing him, but okay, he looked
horrible doing it. You guys have told me the Turft
Soldier fields pretty banged up. I think that's where it happened.
So maybe he's got oh so he's doing to a
just saying maybe he's got a gripe. He's putting it
out there. He's putting it out there that he needs
injury injury settlement. The only problem is it's not going
(38:34):
to prevent him from doing his job. Like his job,
I could not get any more inside information. Due to
the injury that I sustained, it would have been worse
if he tripped and fell broke his thumbs, and he
could well, maybe you know, he can end up the
Washington football team and uh, you know, see if they
(38:54):
can confirm or den either report, maybe he can go
lean up against one of them bleacher A, Mr. Editor,
Did I tear my meniscus? Let me lock my knee,
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