August 13, 2025 • 40 mins
Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Anthony Gargano and Brady Quinn call out Jerry Jones for loving controversy over winning. Some wrongly argue Belichick rode the dynasty train. Plus, Sheduer Sanders viewership, OBJ retirement and much more!
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Speaker 2 (01:07):
Good morning, Brady, Good morning, Anthony. How are we doing? Brother?
Good man? I just I can't wait too. I know,
I know it can't come fast enough. You know, the
preseason gives me like a little dose of it. You know,
you're seeing the different guys mix in, you're seeing some hits,
you're seeing some football it's nothing like Week one though,
And honestly, you know, just from having played, even though
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you're playing in the preseason a little bit, you still
really didn't get a sense for like what your team
was going to be. And I think the hard part
was that the longer I got in the league, the
more I realized if you were a team that didn't know,
you were very good because most of the best teams
they know, Like I remember being in Seattle in twenty
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thirteen in their training camp in preseason all that, and
they knew like that that was a team that like
they knew they were gonna go on and compete for
a Super Bowl that year, and then obviously they ended
up going on to win it. But there are other
teams where you know, there was more of a question
you sitting there going okay, this, uh, looking at looking
back on this, that wasn't a good thing, like you
either know, and if you don't know, yeah, you got
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you're gonna have some problems.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
You know what's nuts is you bring this up? So
al Sean Jeffrey when he came over to Philadelphia from
the Bears, I was talking to him and this is
when Carson wentz was the starting quarterback, and uh, the
Eagles were like five and eleven at that point the
year before, and I remember talking to Alice Ron.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
He's like, dude, this team's really good.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah, he said, we're gonna we go. He goes, this
is a super Bowl team. And I was like, listen,
I think it's the playoff team. But he's like, no, no, no,
you don't understand. It's a super Bowl team. And Lowell behold,
they win the super Bowl And he was right, and
he called it the minute he got here.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I'll there freaget.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
He looks around and he was like it was like
a weekend and he was very thoughtful with it, and
he's like, dude.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
This is a super Bowl team. Yeah. There's just some
teams that look different, you know. We talked about that
a little bit of college football, the ones that compete
for a national championship. When you're in when you're a
part of a team, that you look at the twos
and threes other positions and or even like fours in
training camp right now, and you go, man, these guys
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are all competing like these like there's guys who are
gonna get cut, who are going to be immediately picked
up because they're that good, Like they might start elsewhere.
They're a third stringer here, but they're going to start
somewhere else. Like when you have a roster like that,
you're like, yeah, okay, like I can see where this
is going. I mean everyone knows about the Legion of Boom.
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There were guys though, that had so much depth behind there.
You know, Byron Maxwell eventually came along, Jeremy Lane eventually
came along. You know, you could go on down the list.
I mean they cut Anchwine Winfield, who had a hell
of a career. I think they had paid a million
bucks just to just to come out for the offseason.
So there's there was a bunch of like really really
talented defensive backs who you know, somewhere on that seems
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sort of part of that run something that have gone
to somewhere else. Some came back. I mean, there was
a bunch of depths. So I always looking back at
that roster, some of the best rosters and just saying,
the players know because the ones that don't, they're not
in it. And it's easy it's easy enough to see
that feel that even in training camp, preseason.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So I feel fairly confident in saying this, but you
know who's not a super Bowl team right now?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Who's that? The Cowboys? Come on, now, they're not, they're not.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
And I got a point to Jerry, and Jerry was
making the rounds again. And Jerry's at a premiere in
Netflix premiere and he's talking about the America's Team thing, right,
He's talking about his team, and he's talking about controversy
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and how controversy is good. Now, I want you to
take a listen to him so you get his exact words,
and I'm gonna tell you why this is exactly what's
wrong and what's keeping them from being a real super
Bowl contender.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
I do believe if we're not being looked at, then
I'll do my part to get a slop down.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
The Cowboys are soap.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Opera three hundred and sixty five and so oh.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
It's wonderful to.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Have the great athletes, have the great players. But there's
something more there. There's sizzle, there's emotion, and if you will,
there's controversy. That controversy is good stuff in terms of
keeping and having people's attention.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Brady, that's not good stuff, no effact, why they became
America's team was because they were dynastic.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
They were a team that had two.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Dynasties in the seventies with Stallback and door Set and
too Tall Jones and then in the nineties with ak
Men and Emmitt and.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Michael Irvin and they were great.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
So people loved them or hated them because they were great.
That's what made them America's team. Then you couple in
all the ancillary things, the cheerleaders, the whole, the whole
feel about it, the fact that they were brilliant to
get on Thanksgiving Day. You know, that created generations of fans.
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But now it's a circus, Brady, it's not America's team.
They were American circus.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Well one, I pushback a little one because you're a
Philly fan. But that being said, that being said, I
can look at it objectively. Yeah, no, and you are
in this case because it's been thirty years and I
don't think you can take them seriously. For almost every
single one of those seasons, with the exception of maybe
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the Romo des Bryant Lambeau. You know, catch wasn't a
catch like that team that year. Maybe that was the
one team you'd say, like, Okay, they had a shot
like that that team, you know, probably was a catch
and who knows how that plays out if it is,
and the rest of that season and the playoffs. But
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to your point, it does feel like everything's about everything
other than the main thing, and that's football, and that's
winning football games and a lot of the business that
Jerry has done. And I don't know, have you ever
been out to Frisco where they have their practice facility everything.
It's unbelievable, it really is. And it's yes, I look
at it as a player and I go, man, it's
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an incredible facility for those players who go there, which
you know, I was into. You know a time when
you get in the NFL, and you know a lot
of times the college facilities are actually better than the
NFL facilities. You know. I mean in Cleveland didn't even
have a full indoor field, right, you know, it was
like a sixty yard said whoever, it was like seven
yard field. So you know, you're coming from these monstrous facilities.
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All these schools are building up in like this arms
race for that was the thing that would you know,
recruits would be enamored by back then, and the NFL
teams did not have that and yet Dallas has always
had everything, but it's always been about it feels like
since that run in the early nineties, everything other than
what was actually happening on the field during games. And
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I just you know, you hear from players who feel
like while they're working out and the offseason, guys are
coming by, they're giving tours, you know, almost like they're
you know, over at the zoo, just being observed by
by people who come by. You hear all these things,
You just go, how is that good for the team?
And then you look for the business of letting contracts
drag on with dam Dragon, with CD Dragon, now with
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Micah Parsons. We talked about the Brian Schottenheimer hiring and
it's no, it's not a shot against Brian Schottenheimer that
he might do a great job for him this year, right,
it's just how it came about, Like you moved on
from a guy who had won you or had won
a Super Bowl that you brought in to win one.
I don't know, maybe you feel like he gave enough time.
Maybe not. You let a guy go who now it
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looks like he's got this team building to be a
playoff contender in Washington and dan Quinn and then you
hire Brian Schotteneimer because he was just kind of the
last guy at the bar standing there. I mean, that's
what it felt like to me, dude, exactly.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
And listen, I've met Jerry in the nineties. I've been
doing this a minute, right, and you want to talk
about an engaging man, an incredible businessman, everything about it
and cool, I mean, engaging and the whole thing. You know,
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he's Jerry Jones. But the issue is exactly what you
just said, is that it's not when he's talking about
the circus. He enjoys this stuff. He wants the Cowboys
to be out there. And I get it right, that's
marketing one oh one. You know, there's no bad publicity.
I get all that, but it all stems from winning,
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like when you become a great franchise, a franchise like
the Cowboys was a great franchise.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And yet when I was.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
A kid, I hated the Cowboys because I grew up
in Philadelphia and half the football fans were Cowboy fans.
I was an Eagles fan because I grew up in
Philadelphia and so and Eagles weren't good. In fact, they
were a laughing stock of a franchise. So of course
I would be jealous and resentful the Cowboys, but it
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came from a place of admiration. They were the gold
standard of NFL franchises and now they're not. My only
argument to all this is it should be about winning.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Like everything comes from winning. Look at the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
The Chiefs become this incredible franchise and Travis Kelcey and
Taylor Swift and all everything else, Patrick Mahomes and Andy
they become this incredible franchise in Chiefs Kingdom because they win.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's always about winning.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
The sideshow circus is just a distraction and it doesn't
mean anything.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's hollow if you don't win. Brady, and I think,
you know, I go back to even like looking at
some of the college roots of you know, you look
at the University of Alabama, which is going through kind
of a dark period of time at least you know,
around when I was in school, and you know, when
Nick Saban got there. A lot of people don't understand
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the impact that Nick Saban had, not not just on football,
Like people look at it, and I think they looked
at his success and they say, wow, that was incredible.
Look at me national championships he won. Look at the
foundation he built, how he kind of turned the tide
where you know, the SEC became, you know, even that
much more dominant. You know, it kind of was in spots,
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right ORBAMD won a couple and then you know, Saving
got to BAM and started to build that up, and
LSU had had their moment. But you know, at that
point in time too, like Ohio State was still rolling,
Michigan was rolling. But my point is football was the
high tide, and even to this day, that changed that
entire campus. Every single person will tell you if you've
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ever been to Tuscaloosa, what it looks like in twenty
twenty five and what have looked like back in two
thousand and four, two thousand and five, two thousand and
six is drastically different, in large part because of the
investment they made in football to then once again become
a giant. They were always a blue blood, but then
they became a giant because of their success, and with
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the success of Nick Saban became greater development around the
actual school in Tuscaloosa and the university. What came along
with that was better students. They got more roles Rhodes
scholars now, better faculty, better pay for them every single thing.
They were the high tide that raised every boat. Yes,
because of the success of Nick Saban and what they've
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been able to do. And now that's a more legitimate
school because of football. And there's by the way, there's
probably more schools that should take money.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I'll hear of students going to Alabama from the northeast
New York and Philly and.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Which that seems new, right, Like I don't remember hearing
that ten to fifteen exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Like my nephew is going to Votec and he's like,
I'm looking at Alabama. He just wants to be a
part of the football, good student, right, Yeah, parents gonna
pay the tuition, pay the freight, and he's looking to
go there because of football.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Like you see these kids.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Go, oh man, that looks like so much fun to
be down at Georgia or Alabama, LSU being an sec
country because of that. And you're right, you all steps
from football. It steps from building that. And when you
build something great, it does rise. And you know who
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agrees with us? Who's that Denzel agrees with us? Denzel
was on first take take a.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Listen, there's box office and as oscars.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Jerry been a while, he ain't been to the show.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
You wouldn't know hadn't been to the show, so you
wouldn't know what it is to win. All money ain't
good money. Jerry, dude, he's not wrong? Is he the
best of I mean, I've got a lot of questions
about as Dallas fandom in the first place. I mean, yeah,
I said, I know there's a cliph and he talked
about why and all that, and probably of New York crowd,
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how you become a Dallas Cowboys maan, if not for
just their success, which or whatever to each their own.
But he does bring up a good point in perspective too, like,
you know, what he's doing might be great for the brand,
but the brand becomes diminished if the substance of the
brand is football and winning, and they've been without that
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to a degree, Like you know, I think the one
thing that Dallas has done is they've been able to
remain intriguing and interesting because they haven't been They're not
a cellar dweller. They're a team that's gonna probably compete
to be a playoff team, right, and then once you
get in the playoffs, everyone feels like, you have hope.
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It's a one game, sudden death playoff scenario. Team could
get hot end of the season. Like they're almost riding
that fine line of there's enough hope and optimism, enough
six that they don't have to get entirely, you know,
put on the uh, the brown the brown paper bags
and go to games. It's it's not a disaster. It
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feels like that. But once they get to playing games,
they're good enough to be able to be a playoff team.
But then it just kind of ends there.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Well, and he goes back to you brought up Schottenheimer, right,
he brought up the coach. Let me answer you a question,
all right, you especially knowing what Jerry wants, which is
all this controversy, soap opera, that sort of thing. You
have Belichick there and I don't care what anybody says,
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his girlfriend whatever it is. That guy did not forget
how to coach. That guy is a great football mind.
Why would you do if you were going to move
on from McCarthy, which you know we've debated no matter what,
because we both don't think you should have done that. Uh,
then why not just go you want to make them relevant.
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You got Bill, go take the shot. You're in a
team that needs to win now anyway, why would you
just go with Belichick?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I think it's a great question. And during that period
of time, and this is what now, a couple of
years ago, I remember hearing the reports about the Atlanta
Falcons and people in the front office who are concerned
for the job are well being because if if Bill
Belichick comes there, he's going to clean house and he's gonna,
you know, do things his way, and you know that's
gonna be tough for people aren't gonna like the work environment.
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I remember thinking that going if I'm an owner, what
do I care Ruck? Because if that's what it takes
to be successful and win as many Super Bowls as
he did and play as many Super Bowls as he
did with the New England Patriots, don't I want that? Like,
isn't that the success that I want? And so it's
crazy to me that you get these these you know,
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owners that get persuaded to overthink things and not bring
in a guy like Bill Belichick, which I mean, look,
if Jerry Jones had any concerns about Bill Belichick and
his dating life and what is you know how old
his girlfriend is. It's like Jerry's still doing this too. Yeah,
there's if there's age concerns at this point, like about
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still doing the job, I think it's kind of been eliminated,
right like Bill Bill went down to North Carolina to
be the head coach there at a college where there's a
lot more on his plate, and and like he can
still do the job. We'll see what it looks like
this season. But I look at that and I just say,
age couldn't have been a problem. I don't think the
girlfriend issue was a problem. I think Jerry's probably seen
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stuff come across stuff before in his life that that
doesn't bother him. I don't have the slightest idea outside
of maybe Bill Belichick didn't want it because he wasn't
going to get the control. And I think that's one
of the reasons where you find Brian Schottenheimer, and honestly,
you find a lot of head coaches that take jobs
because they're not they're concerned they're not going to get
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another shot at another one, and so they take a
job full well knowing or at least having an idea
of what that ownership is like and they're saying, well,
I'm gonna take the payday. I'm gonna take this shot
because I believe I'll be able to turn around anyway,
or like maybe I'll get lucky, but at least I'm
getting the pay day out of it. I mean, there
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are guys who literally looked probably at that Dallas cowboy's
job and said, yeah, I'm okay. Like I just I
wouldn't be able to work for Jerry Jones and deal
with what Mike McCarthy had to deal with or Jason
Garrett had to deal with and now Brian Schottenheimer will
have to deal with. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yeah, I still think it was Jerry who didn't want
Bill because it would take shine off of him or
some sort of.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Control. Maybe I don't know. I mean, did Mike McCarthy
like sleep over at Jerry's house when they were like
interviewing him. Yeah, maybe Bill decline and sleepover. You know.
They was like, yeah, I'm good, I'm not sleeping over,
And I got to ask you comeing up will do it.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I also want to unveil a little fun game because
I want to geek out for the start of football.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
So we're kind of in the days leading up to it.
I want to.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I want to ask you about the All century teams, uh,
some of the big programs, but I have to ask
you about the whole Belichick thing again.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I saw one of.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
These lists, these rankings, you know, which are the death
of us between you know, we're waiting for the season
to start so to bide our time and job ten
quarterbacks and job tenk coaches and blah blah blah and
hot take take.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
But I see one that that.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Doesn't have Belichick in the top five over the last
decade of coaches. And I'm like, come on, man, stop
Like well it's all Brady, and I need you to
dispel this stuff. I needs you to be the the
a man that that projects the reason all right, it
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needs you to do that. Please be the conscience of
the hot take because it's driving me nuts. Brady Quinn,
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your reasoning. You're okay.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
It tries me not. I mean, you know how we
do fix and it's only listen.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
It comes from a good place because we're all geeked
out and excited for the start of the season, but
it's not here yet, right, so we're still torling through
the preseason and then we have to come up with
these incessant lists. So please tell me that Bill Belichick
was not a passenger on the Patriots dynasty.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
No, no, he was not. I mean that Look, Bill
Belichick's success and the model that he built was one
of the reasons why there's been so many head coaches
that coached for him that got their opportunity elsewhere. I mean,
that's one part of it. That's one piece of it.
But even look at you know, Tom Brady, and I
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think he would also give Bill Belichick a lot of
credit for the manner in which they were able to
manage games, coach games, handle things. You know, as much
as we want to act like, you know, Bill Belichick
was just along for the ride. You know, go back
and look at those first few Super Bowls. You know
that those were super Bowls that were won wholeheartedly as
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a team and probably even more so kind of controlling
the game to play a certain style of football because
either you know, offensively, they weren't as talented as some
of the later on Patriot teams were, but also because
the strengths for their defense and their ability to control
the clock, control the game and then set you know,
Adam Vinattie up for a field goal to win it.
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I mean that was how a lot of those games
ended up working out, you know, as they were bringing
Tom Brady wrong. I think people forget how quick Tom
Brady got thrust it into the situation for Drew Bledsoe
and was asked to do a lot, you know, And
I had to play for a coach who would tell you,
you know, early on in that in his career it
was entirely different with what they were asking him to do.
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Then later on, you know, I played for Charlie Weis,
played for Josh mcgangials, both guys who are calling plays
for him in Super Bowls, And if you looked at
what the offense looked like when Josh McDaniels took over
from Charlie Weis, it was drastically different, you know, So
then this is how Charlie Weis at least would would
probably discuss or talk about it. But you know, if
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you're putting in like an offense, you know, if you're
in you know, coach a little league football. You know,
ideally you're gonna teach. You're gonna teach everything off the run,
So everything's gonna be off base personnel. You know, you're
you're you're running back, your full back or your two
tight end sets right rugged my gun te So it
was there, you go. So you know you're gonna you're
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gonna install your offense, You're gonna install your running plays,
and then off of that, you're gonna have probably a
boot right because that's gonna help protect the integrity of
some of those run plays with making sure the defense
isn't over pursuing, and you're gonna be able to have
a bootleg off of that. And then off of that,
you're gonna have a play action, and that play action
is going to again the same thing, protect the integra
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that run play. Then I can be able to stack
the box. They're gonna have to potentially play against the
pass too, otherwise they're gonna suffer the consequences. And so
then off of that, you start to kind of build
into what your passing game looks like. You start to
build more into your sprintouts, you start to you know,
more in your your move the pockets, then you add
in some screens, then you add in your drop back.
Like people think that, like the drop back passing game
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is the first thing you should install, and it's impart
because we have all the seven on seven nowadays, right right,
right right, But that's not the reality of it.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Really, that's the last thing you're going to be putting in.
And then from there you start to building the three step,
five step and everything else that comes along with the
seven step drops that you build in the passing game. Well,
I go back to like when when I got with
Josh McDaniels when he was the head coach in Denver.
You know, they had an empty system. So at one
point when in New England's you know time where McDaniels
(27:52):
is calling plays for Tom Brady, it was a lot
of empty which was drastically different from what Charlie Weiss
was doing in the early two thousands and all that
was now that was on Tom brady shoulders, you know,
decisions he was making where they were going with the football,
which different. You know, players they're getting in and out of.
You know that, it was entirely different. But it just
kind of approves the point like we act like he
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kind of was born into it, and everyone forgets what
that looked like early on. It was entirely different. It
was a team where three of those Super Bowls were
won with special teams in defense and game control and
offense drasticly different than the final three he won.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah, it's funny because I saw an interview with Tom
recently and he talked about, you know, feeling like a
like that he was the passenger during those early years
and felt like a need to put his stamp on things.
In fact, you know a lot of people think that
Jalen Hurts feels similarly going.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Into this year.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
And listen, not that he's a passenger because what he
does in the rug game particularly just has such an impact,
had such an impact for Saquon last year and the
year he had, and the fact that he can make
that that down the field throw outside the numbers, you'll
drop it in the bucket.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
But there's a lot of fault because you know, they
don't throw with a great volume, so that he feels
like he's a passenger.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
On that on that team. You know what's always interesting
about that is and have been an offensive where we've
and then played in games where you throw a lot,
playing games where you don't throw a lot. The hardest
thing for a quarterback is when you're throwing the ball
a lot, you can stand to a rhythm. It's much
easier to to stand in a rhythm feel you know,
maybe you miss a throw here or there, and and
it's okay because you're gonna have another opportunity to come
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back from it.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
The hardest thing I always felt like to do is
when a coach or you had a play caller who'd
run the football, run the football, and that a third
time to be like, all right, time to throw next,
you know, the next set of downs, Run the football,
run the football, time to throw, run the football, Like
you get in that habit of doing that. And there's
some bad offensive coordators who do that. And that's the
toughest thing because you may have maybe have him thrown
(29:57):
a pass in a few minutes, and then you're you're
asked to be the guy to then go ahead and
convert on third down. Then you're gonna run the fall,
run the football a couple more times.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
That's to me, was always harder to do that, where
like you're gonna throw the football twenty times a game,
Like I'd rather throw forty to fifty, but I know
that's probably not necessarily good if we're throwing the football
that much, because you'd like to have balance. You only
call on sixty plays probably in a game, so if
you're somewhere south of thirty, that's that's probably a good thing.
(30:30):
You know, you'd like if you said to me, oh,
the there is thirty rushing attemps thirty passing attempts, It's like, well,
it's probably a pretty tight game. You had twenty five
pass attemps thirty five rush attemps. You're probably going, all right,
you won that game because you're running the clock out
at the end. So you know, I always looked at
it as like people want to they want to jump
on it. And they said this about brock Party too, like, oh,
they're just you know, game managers. Jalen Hurts is doing
(30:52):
exactly what he's asked to do. And I don't know
there's been a quarterback that I would say in the
last two Super Bowls he's been in has performed as
well as Jalen Hurts. I mean, he's been phenomenal despite
you know what people want to say. About you know, Saquon,
his impact everything else to me, like everything he's doing
out there is difficult, you know, especially when you're at
(31:13):
the top of the NFL and everyone's gutting for you. Like,
trust me, you might have a bunch of talent around you,
you still got to execute. You still have to distribute
the football. You still have to be the one to
actually play at a high enough level to get your
team that win.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah, he reminds me of a great point guard and
how he plays it. Like if I need to run,
it's third and five and I need to run, I'll run.
If I need to get it to aj Brown down
the field, I'll go to aj Brown. You need to
get it, dump it off to Saquan or to Dallas,
got at my tight end in flat I'll do that.
And it's almost like a point guard mentality, how you
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get the ball and distribute it.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's that's some of the
thought process. And a lot of people talk about something
is the more spread out offenses just being like basketball
and grass, and that's really what it becomes, and that's
what your your position ends up being the biggest thing
is just you. You have to be a good decision maker.
I mean, bottom line is like everything flows through you.
So whether it's a checking off on which run and
which way to run the football, or you know, throwing
(32:15):
the football, or the protection you're putting yourself in before
you throw the football, or getting to a screen, I
mean all those things like that's paramount more than anything else.
And the guys who've won, the guys who've won Super Bowls,
or a guy like Tom Brady. You know, a thing
that we always overlook is he's a good decision maker.
If you look at you know, for example, when you
talk about throwing it, you know outside downfield, when he
(32:37):
takes chances, he takes him at probably the most appropriate
time there is. There's never a time where he, you know,
would throw an interception at the worst possible time. Actually say,
it's very seldom at that happens. You know, obviously stuff happens,
but you know that's something that I feel like Jalen
Hurts falls in that category. Two, he's done job of
he seems to make the right play, make the right all,
(33:00):
do the right thing at the right time. Yeah, he won't.
He won't do that.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
My home is like that too, Like my homs. I
know if you're wanting in the Super Bowl, but you know, listen,
he's usually really.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Good protecting football.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Yeah, uh coming up, listen, I want you to think
about this because I want to get his geeked up
for the start of college football as well. So I'm
gonna give you a program and let's go top five
of this century.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So think about it.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I'm gonna we'll go Texas to start off, all right,
top five long horns of this century. Throughout the course
of the show, I'll give you a school and you
give me the top five since the two thousands.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Okay, and uh so we'll do that.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
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gonna hook us up with all that all this stuff
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(34:47):
have our last It's our last baseball tournament of the year.
So fortunally he's missing football practice, but the coach gave
me dispensation, so he's he's in Cooperstown and there's a tournament.
There's one hundred teams at this tournament. It's the last
(35:09):
tournament on the small field. So when they go to
thirteen U they go to the big field. So it's
the last tournament and there is one hundred twelve year
old twelve you teams. There's a barracks and all the
kids there's two coaches per team, and then all the
kids at these barracks and the fields are like ridiculous, right,
(35:31):
they're beautiful. It's killing me because I coach and I'm like,
I'm super vib I love it. I love every second
of it.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
But you know I have to work.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
We did South Carolina. I mean after why you know,
you gotta work. So my wife is with him. Cooper's
down right now, which is killing me. So today they
play like at nine o'clock and then they play at
ten at night, and between they go to the museum.
(36:03):
But it's the coolest thing in the world.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Brother. I've only been to Cooperstown one time, but I
loved it. I thought that was arguably the best hall
of Fame of all the sports. There's just something about
the history, something about the different displays. And you mentioned
that we actually walked by I think those fields and
this is man. I mean it had to have been
(36:25):
in probably the early nineties. I mean I walked by
like the fields and the facilities then and just I
remember I was in awe. I mean it looked just
something about it. It felt nostalgic. I mean, even as
like a young age, you're like, this is where you
want to play. So that should be awesome, man. I
hope it has a great time out there.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yeah, thanks brother, appreciating all right now, time Lee, in
case you missed it.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
These sometimes you can't get to everything in the world
of sports or entertainment. Good thing. The guys are here
to bring you in case you missed it.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
Good oh, no, good morning everybody. Good board and Brady,
good board to Anthony, guys, in case you miss it.
It was reported by Nielsen yesterday that that Friday game
and a debut for Shdor Sanders, raked in two point
two million viewers. Not a record by any means. There's
(37:26):
definitely higher preseason games, but definitely a good showing. I
don't know if that was all Shador or the fact
that it was six months since we've seen football.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
What do you guys think? I'm not sure what to think,
because Anthony, you might have a better idea of how
this works. Ratings for these games, I mean it's all regional, right,
I mean, it's not like they're getting nationally televised unless
they're those like one or two games that I think
it nationally televised by It was Friday night and the
(37:56):
NFL network. Yeah, okay, so so it was at least
on cable was actually televised, Okay, Yeah, Now I do know.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
The Hall of Fame game was his sixth did it six', nine,
right which was which was over two million greater than
THE Nba finals, right.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
It's. NUTS i mean this this country loves. Football, yeah
you know it's interesting is we're making a someone's making
a story out of. THIS i think when, you for,
example compare it to The hall Of fame, game WHICH
i don't even know what the incentive would be to watch.
Them in, fact the football's back, on it's The hall
Of fame. Game, yeah it kind of peals into comparison to,
(38:37):
That SO i think it sounds. GOOD i think someone's
trying to push it out there is, like, oh this
is gonna be like a ratings. Boondoggle but this is THE.
Nfl it's The. Browns even if he was to start this,
year it's not a big market, team so you're not
gonna get a lot of those like nationally televised spots
for them just because he's their.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
Quarterback well unless they are flex later in, season right
but yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah but even, then like you, know, again people will
tune into watch they want to. Watch they obviously have
they're different ways to do. So BUT i don't think
they're gonna change around THE nfl schedule drastically because of.
THAT i mean it goes back to What anthony's pointing.
Out if the team's. Good if they're, winning that's why
they're gonna be on prime, time.
Speaker 8 (39:18):
Right all, right, Guys, well in case you missed, it
we mentioned two point two million people viewing that. Game
how about two point five million people seeing a tweet
from a Fake Adam schefter yesterday saying That Odell Beckham
junior was retiring after ten. Seasons that's not that that
happens to not be the, case, Though obj went To
twitter himself to set the record, straight say, no, seriously
please stop reading everything you read on the internet and
(39:40):
stop texting me happy. Retirement before he pissed me, off
they will get no, RESPONSE i promise. You the Day i'm,
done i'll let you know. Again if you text me happy,
Retirement i'm just gonna have to block.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
You, Thanks. BRADY i MEAN i look at this, like all,
Right i'm not really sure to what to Make if
there's a lot of things going on right now with
with some people making stuff, Up i'm not sure we
have time for. That, now maybe we can get into
that story about some Different venmo. Payments, well, yeah we
(40:11):
are going to get into.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
That the harrows and perils of social media that's going
to be.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Coming up, Man So i'm not touching. This if comes
back and, PLAY i hope he. Does hope it goes.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Well yeah, yeah be wary of Fake adam. Schefter all, Right,
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
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August thirteenth. We are twenty two days away from the
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Speaker 2 (01:07):
Good morning, Brady, Good morning, Anthony. How are we doing? Brother?
Good man? I just I can't wait too. I know,
I know it can't come fast enough. You know, the
preseason gives me like a little dose of it. You know,
you're seeing the different guys mix in, you're seeing some hits,
you're seeing some football it's nothing like Week one though,
And honestly, you know, just from having played, even though
(01:30):
you're playing in the preseason a little bit, you still
really didn't get a sense for like what your team
was going to be. And I think the hard part
was that the longer I got in the league, the
more I realized if you were a team that didn't know,
you were very good because most of the best teams
they know, Like I remember being in Seattle in twenty
(01:51):
thirteen in their training camp in preseason all that, and
they knew like that that was a team that like
they knew they were gonna go on and compete for
a Super Bowl that year, and then obviously they ended
up going on to win it. But there are other
teams where you know, there was more of a question
you sitting there going okay, this, uh, looking at looking
back on this, that wasn't a good thing, like you
either know, and if you don't know, yeah, you got
(02:14):
you're gonna have some problems.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
You know what's nuts is you bring this up? So
al Sean Jeffrey when he came over to Philadelphia from
the Bears, I was talking to him and this is
when Carson wentz was the starting quarterback, and uh, the
Eagles were like five and eleven at that point the
year before, and I remember talking to Alice Ron.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
He's like, dude, this team's really good.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah, he said, we're gonna we go. He goes, this
is a super Bowl team. And I was like, listen,
I think it's the playoff team. But he's like, no, no, no,
you don't understand. It's a super Bowl team. And Lowell behold,
they win the super Bowl And he was right, and
he called it the minute he got here.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I'll there freaget.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
He looks around and he was like it was like
a weekend and he was very thoughtful with it, and
he's like, dude.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
This is a super Bowl team. Yeah. There's just some
teams that look different, you know. We talked about that
a little bit of college football, the ones that compete
for a national championship. When you're in when you're a
part of a team, that you look at the twos
and threes other positions and or even like fours in
training camp right now, and you go, man, these guys
(03:24):
are all competing like these like there's guys who are
gonna get cut, who are going to be immediately picked
up because they're that good, Like they might start elsewhere.
They're a third stringer here, but they're going to start
somewhere else. Like when you have a roster like that,
you're like, yeah, okay, like I can see where this
is going. I mean everyone knows about the Legion of Boom.
(03:45):
There were guys though, that had so much depth behind there.
You know, Byron Maxwell eventually came along, Jeremy Lane eventually
came along. You know, you could go on down the list.
I mean they cut Anchwine Winfield, who had a hell
of a career. I think they had paid a million
bucks just to just to come out for the offseason.
So there's there was a bunch of like really really
talented defensive backs who you know, somewhere on that seems
(04:08):
sort of part of that run something that have gone
to somewhere else. Some came back. I mean, there was
a bunch of depths. So I always looking back at
that roster, some of the best rosters and just saying,
the players know because the ones that don't, they're not
in it. And it's easy it's easy enough to see
that feel that even in training camp, preseason.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So I feel fairly confident in saying this, but you
know who's not a super Bowl team right now?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Who's that? The Cowboys? Come on, now, they're not, they're not.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
And I got a point to Jerry, and Jerry was
making the rounds again. And Jerry's at a premiere in
Netflix premiere and he's talking about the America's Team thing, right,
He's talking about his team, and he's talking about controversy
(05:06):
and how controversy is good. Now, I want you to
take a listen to him so you get his exact words,
and I'm gonna tell you why this is exactly what's
wrong and what's keeping them from being a real super
Bowl contender.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
I do believe if we're not being looked at, then
I'll do my part to get a slop down.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
The Cowboys are soap.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Opera three hundred and sixty five and so oh.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
It's wonderful to.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Have the great athletes, have the great players. But there's
something more there. There's sizzle, there's emotion, and if you will,
there's controversy. That controversy is good stuff in terms of
keeping and having people's attention.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Brady, that's not good stuff, no effact, why they became
America's team was because they were dynastic.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
They were a team that had two.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Dynasties in the seventies with Stallback and door Set and
too Tall Jones and then in the nineties with ak
Men and Emmitt and.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Michael Irvin and they were great.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
So people loved them or hated them because they were great.
That's what made them America's team. Then you couple in
all the ancillary things, the cheerleaders, the whole, the whole
feel about it, the fact that they were brilliant to
get on Thanksgiving Day. You know, that created generations of fans.
(06:44):
But now it's a circus, Brady, it's not America's team.
They were American circus.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Well one, I pushback a little one because you're a
Philly fan. But that being said, that being said, I
can look at it objectively. Yeah, no, and you are
in this case because it's been thirty years and I
don't think you can take them seriously. For almost every
single one of those seasons, with the exception of maybe
(07:13):
the Romo des Bryant Lambeau. You know, catch wasn't a
catch like that team that year. Maybe that was the
one team you'd say, like, Okay, they had a shot
like that that team, you know, probably was a catch
and who knows how that plays out if it is,
and the rest of that season and the playoffs. But
(07:34):
to your point, it does feel like everything's about everything
other than the main thing, and that's football, and that's
winning football games and a lot of the business that
Jerry has done. And I don't know, have you ever
been out to Frisco where they have their practice facility everything.
It's unbelievable, it really is. And it's yes, I look
at it as a player and I go, man, it's
(07:55):
an incredible facility for those players who go there, which
you know, I was into. You know a time when
you get in the NFL, and you know a lot
of times the college facilities are actually better than the
NFL facilities. You know. I mean in Cleveland didn't even
have a full indoor field, right, you know, it was
like a sixty yard said whoever, it was like seven
yard field. So you know, you're coming from these monstrous facilities.
(08:17):
All these schools are building up in like this arms
race for that was the thing that would you know,
recruits would be enamored by back then, and the NFL
teams did not have that and yet Dallas has always
had everything, but it's always been about it feels like
since that run in the early nineties, everything other than
what was actually happening on the field during games. And
(08:39):
I just you know, you hear from players who feel
like while they're working out and the offseason, guys are
coming by, they're giving tours, you know, almost like they're
you know, over at the zoo, just being observed by
by people who come by. You hear all these things,
You just go, how is that good for the team?
And then you look for the business of letting contracts
drag on with dam Dragon, with CD Dragon, now with
(09:03):
Micah Parsons. We talked about the Brian Schottenheimer hiring and
it's no, it's not a shot against Brian Schottenheimer that
he might do a great job for him this year, right,
it's just how it came about, Like you moved on
from a guy who had won you or had won
a Super Bowl that you brought in to win one.
I don't know, maybe you feel like he gave enough time.
Maybe not. You let a guy go who now it
(09:25):
looks like he's got this team building to be a
playoff contender in Washington and dan Quinn and then you
hire Brian Schotteneimer because he was just kind of the
last guy at the bar standing there. I mean, that's
what it felt like to me, dude, exactly.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
And listen, I've met Jerry in the nineties. I've been
doing this a minute, right, and you want to talk
about an engaging man, an incredible businessman, everything about it
and cool, I mean, engaging and the whole thing. You know,
(10:01):
he's Jerry Jones. But the issue is exactly what you
just said, is that it's not when he's talking about
the circus. He enjoys this stuff. He wants the Cowboys
to be out there. And I get it right, that's
marketing one oh one. You know, there's no bad publicity.
I get all that, but it all stems from winning,
(10:23):
like when you become a great franchise, a franchise like
the Cowboys was a great franchise.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And yet when I was.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
A kid, I hated the Cowboys because I grew up
in Philadelphia and half the football fans were Cowboy fans.
I was an Eagles fan because I grew up in
Philadelphia and so and Eagles weren't good. In fact, they
were a laughing stock of a franchise. So of course
I would be jealous and resentful the Cowboys, but it
(10:51):
came from a place of admiration. They were the gold
standard of NFL franchises and now they're not. My only
argument to all this is it should be about winning.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Like everything comes from winning. Look at the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
The Chiefs become this incredible franchise and Travis Kelcey and
Taylor Swift and all everything else, Patrick Mahomes and Andy
they become this incredible franchise in Chiefs Kingdom because they win.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's always about winning.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
The sideshow circus is just a distraction and it doesn't
mean anything.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's hollow if you don't win. Brady, and I think,
you know, I go back to even like looking at
some of the college roots of you know, you look
at the University of Alabama, which is going through kind
of a dark period of time at least you know,
around when I was in school, and you know, when
Nick Saban got there. A lot of people don't understand
(11:58):
the impact that Nick Saban had, not not just on football,
Like people look at it, and I think they looked
at his success and they say, wow, that was incredible.
Look at me national championships he won. Look at the
foundation he built, how he kind of turned the tide
where you know, the SEC became, you know, even that
much more dominant. You know, it kind of was in spots,
(12:18):
right ORBAMD won a couple and then you know, Saving
got to BAM and started to build that up, and
LSU had had their moment. But you know, at that
point in time too, like Ohio State was still rolling,
Michigan was rolling. But my point is football was the
high tide, and even to this day, that changed that
entire campus. Every single person will tell you if you've
(12:42):
ever been to Tuscaloosa, what it looks like in twenty
twenty five and what have looked like back in two
thousand and four, two thousand and five, two thousand and
six is drastically different, in large part because of the
investment they made in football to then once again become
a giant. They were always a blue blood, but then
they became a giant because of their success, and with
(13:05):
the success of Nick Saban became greater development around the
actual school in Tuscaloosa and the university. What came along
with that was better students. They got more roles Rhodes
scholars now, better faculty, better pay for them every single thing.
They were the high tide that raised every boat. Yes,
because of the success of Nick Saban and what they've
(13:25):
been able to do. And now that's a more legitimate
school because of football. And there's by the way, there's
probably more schools that should take money.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I'll hear of students going to Alabama from the northeast
New York and Philly and.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Which that seems new, right, Like I don't remember hearing
that ten to fifteen exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Like my nephew is going to Votec and he's like,
I'm looking at Alabama. He just wants to be a
part of the football, good student, right, Yeah, parents gonna
pay the tuition, pay the freight, and he's looking to
go there because of football.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Like you see these kids.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Go, oh man, that looks like so much fun to
be down at Georgia or Alabama, LSU being an sec
country because of that. And you're right, you all steps
from football. It steps from building that. And when you
build something great, it does rise. And you know who
(14:24):
agrees with us? Who's that Denzel agrees with us? Denzel
was on first take take a.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Listen, there's box office and as oscars.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Jerry been a while, he ain't been to the show.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
You wouldn't know hadn't been to the show, so you
wouldn't know what it is to win. All money ain't
good money. Jerry, dude, he's not wrong? Is he the
best of I mean, I've got a lot of questions
about as Dallas fandom in the first place. I mean, yeah,
I said, I know there's a cliph and he talked
about why and all that, and probably of New York crowd,
(15:07):
how you become a Dallas Cowboys maan, if not for
just their success, which or whatever to each their own.
But he does bring up a good point in perspective too, like,
you know, what he's doing might be great for the brand,
but the brand becomes diminished if the substance of the
brand is football and winning, and they've been without that
(15:27):
to a degree, Like you know, I think the one
thing that Dallas has done is they've been able to
remain intriguing and interesting because they haven't been They're not
a cellar dweller. They're a team that's gonna probably compete
to be a playoff team, right, and then once you
get in the playoffs, everyone feels like, you have hope.
(15:48):
It's a one game, sudden death playoff scenario. Team could
get hot end of the season. Like they're almost riding
that fine line of there's enough hope and optimism, enough
six that they don't have to get entirely, you know,
put on the uh, the brown the brown paper bags
and go to games. It's it's not a disaster. It
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feels like that. But once they get to playing games,
they're good enough to be able to be a playoff team.
But then it just kind of ends there.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Well, and he goes back to you brought up Schottenheimer, right,
he brought up the coach. Let me answer you a question,
all right, you especially knowing what Jerry wants, which is
all this controversy, soap opera, that sort of thing. You
have Belichick there and I don't care what anybody says,
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his girlfriend whatever it is. That guy did not forget
how to coach. That guy is a great football mind.
Why would you do if you were going to move
on from McCarthy, which you know we've debated no matter what,
because we both don't think you should have done that. Uh,
then why not just go you want to make them relevant.
(17:02):
You got Bill, go take the shot. You're in a
team that needs to win now anyway, why would you
just go with Belichick?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I think it's a great question. And during that period
of time, and this is what now, a couple of
years ago, I remember hearing the reports about the Atlanta
Falcons and people in the front office who are concerned
for the job are well being because if if Bill
Belichick comes there, he's going to clean house and he's gonna,
you know, do things his way, and you know that's
gonna be tough for people aren't gonna like the work environment.
(17:33):
I remember thinking that going if I'm an owner, what
do I care Ruck? Because if that's what it takes
to be successful and win as many Super Bowls as
he did and play as many Super Bowls as he
did with the New England Patriots, don't I want that? Like,
isn't that the success that I want? And so it's
crazy to me that you get these these you know,
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owners that get persuaded to overthink things and not bring
in a guy like Bill Belichick, which I mean, look,
if Jerry Jones had any concerns about Bill Belichick and
his dating life and what is you know how old
his girlfriend is. It's like Jerry's still doing this too. Yeah,
there's if there's age concerns at this point, like about
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still doing the job, I think it's kind of been eliminated,
right like Bill Bill went down to North Carolina to
be the head coach there at a college where there's a
lot more on his plate, and and like he can
still do the job. We'll see what it looks like
this season. But I look at that and I just say,
age couldn't have been a problem. I don't think the
girlfriend issue was a problem. I think Jerry's probably seen
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stuff come across stuff before in his life that that
doesn't bother him. I don't have the slightest idea outside
of maybe Bill Belichick didn't want it because he wasn't
going to get the control. And I think that's one
of the reasons where you find Brian Schottenheimer, and honestly,
you find a lot of head coaches that take jobs
because they're not they're concerned they're not going to get
(18:58):
another shot at another one, and so they take a
job full well knowing or at least having an idea
of what that ownership is like and they're saying, well,
I'm gonna take the payday. I'm gonna take this shot
because I believe I'll be able to turn around anyway,
or like maybe I'll get lucky, but at least I'm
getting the pay day out of it. I mean, there
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are guys who literally looked probably at that Dallas cowboy's
job and said, yeah, I'm okay. Like I just I
wouldn't be able to work for Jerry Jones and deal
with what Mike McCarthy had to deal with or Jason
Garrett had to deal with and now Brian Schottenheimer will
have to deal with. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yeah, I still think it was Jerry who didn't want
Bill because it would take shine off of him or
some sort of.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Control. Maybe I don't know. I mean, did Mike McCarthy
like sleep over at Jerry's house when they were like
interviewing him. Yeah, maybe Bill decline and sleepover. You know.
They was like, yeah, I'm good, I'm not sleeping over,
And I got to ask you comeing up will do it.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I also want to unveil a little fun game because
I want to geek out for the start of football.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
So we're kind of in the days leading up to it.
I want to.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I want to ask you about the All century teams, uh,
some of the big programs, but I have to ask
you about the whole Belichick thing again.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I saw one of.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
These lists, these rankings, you know, which are the death
of us between you know, we're waiting for the season
to start so to bide our time and job ten
quarterbacks and job tenk coaches and blah blah blah and
hot take take.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
But I see one that that.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Doesn't have Belichick in the top five over the last
decade of coaches. And I'm like, come on, man, stop
Like well it's all Brady, and I need you to
dispel this stuff. I needs you to be the the
a man that that projects the reason all right, it
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needs you to do that. Please be the conscience of
the hot take because it's driving me nuts. Brady Quinn,
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Brady Pete Alonzo Oh big piece, Yeah Yeah Bomb Petere
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alonzo overtakes Darryl Strawberry as the leader in the Mets
home run record.
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Toward that wall.
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It is gone.
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way tire buying should be. All right, A couple of
things I want to get with you. One, I need
your I just need you to calm people to use
your reasoning. You're okay.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
It tries me not. I mean, you know how we
do fix and it's only listen.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
It comes from a good place because we're all geeked
out and excited for the start of the season, but
it's not here yet, right, so we're still torling through
the preseason and then we have to come up with
these incessant lists. So please tell me that Bill Belichick
was not a passenger on the Patriots dynasty.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
No, no, he was not. I mean that Look, Bill
Belichick's success and the model that he built was one
of the reasons why there's been so many head coaches
that coached for him that got their opportunity elsewhere. I mean,
that's one part of it. That's one piece of it.
But even look at you know, Tom Brady, and I
(24:51):
think he would also give Bill Belichick a lot of
credit for the manner in which they were able to
manage games, coach games, handle things. You know, as much
as we want to act like, you know, Bill Belichick
was just along for the ride. You know, go back
and look at those first few Super Bowls. You know
that those were super Bowls that were won wholeheartedly as
(25:13):
a team and probably even more so kind of controlling
the game to play a certain style of football because
either you know, offensively, they weren't as talented as some
of the later on Patriot teams were, but also because
the strengths for their defense and their ability to control
the clock, control the game and then set you know,
Adam Vinattie up for a field goal to win it.
(25:35):
I mean that was how a lot of those games
ended up working out, you know, as they were bringing
Tom Brady wrong. I think people forget how quick Tom
Brady got thrust it into the situation for Drew Bledsoe
and was asked to do a lot, you know, And
I had to play for a coach who would tell you,
you know, early on in that in his career it
was entirely different with what they were asking him to do.
(25:59):
Then later on, you know, I played for Charlie Weis,
played for Josh mcgangials, both guys who are calling plays
for him in Super Bowls, And if you looked at
what the offense looked like when Josh McDaniels took over
from Charlie Weis, it was drastically different, you know, So
then this is how Charlie Weis at least would would
probably discuss or talk about it. But you know, if
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you're putting in like an offense, you know, if you're
in you know, coach a little league football. You know,
ideally you're gonna teach. You're gonna teach everything off the run,
So everything's gonna be off base personnel. You know, you're
you're you're running back, your full back or your two
tight end sets right rugged my gun te So it
was there, you go. So you know you're gonna you're
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gonna install your offense, You're gonna install your running plays,
and then off of that, you're gonna have probably a
boot right because that's gonna help protect the integrity of
some of those run plays with making sure the defense
isn't over pursuing, and you're gonna be able to have
a bootleg off of that. And then off of that,
you're gonna have a play action, and that play action
is going to again the same thing, protect the integra
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that run play. Then I can be able to stack
the box. They're gonna have to potentially play against the
pass too, otherwise they're gonna suffer the consequences. And so
then off of that, you start to kind of build
into what your passing game looks like. You start to
build more into your sprintouts, you start to you know,
more in your your move the pockets, then you add
in some screens, then you add in your drop back.
Like people think that, like the drop back passing game
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is the first thing you should install, and it's impart
because we have all the seven on seven nowadays, right right,
right right, But that's not the reality of it.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Really, that's the last thing you're going to be putting in.
And then from there you start to building the three step,
five step and everything else that comes along with the
seven step drops that you build in the passing game. Well,
I go back to like when when I got with
Josh McDaniels when he was the head coach in Denver.
You know, they had an empty system. So at one
point when in New England's you know time where McDaniels
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is calling plays for Tom Brady, it was a lot
of empty which was drastically different from what Charlie Weiss
was doing in the early two thousands and all that
was now that was on Tom brady shoulders, you know,
decisions he was making where they were going with the football,
which different. You know, players they're getting in and out of.
You know that, it was entirely different. But it just
kind of approves the point like we act like he
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kind of was born into it, and everyone forgets what
that looked like early on. It was entirely different. It
was a team where three of those Super Bowls were
won with special teams in defense and game control and
offense drasticly different than the final three he won.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah, it's funny because I saw an interview with Tom
recently and he talked about, you know, feeling like a
like that he was the passenger during those early years
and felt like a need to put his stamp on things.
In fact, you know a lot of people think that
Jalen Hurts feels similarly going.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Into this year.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
And listen, not that he's a passenger because what he
does in the rug game particularly just has such an impact,
had such an impact for Saquon last year and the
year he had, and the fact that he can make
that that down the field throw outside the numbers, you'll
drop it in the bucket.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
But there's a lot of fault because you know, they
don't throw with a great volume, so that he feels
like he's a passenger.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
On that on that team. You know what's always interesting
about that is and have been an offensive where we've
and then played in games where you throw a lot,
playing games where you don't throw a lot. The hardest
thing for a quarterback is when you're throwing the ball
a lot, you can stand to a rhythm. It's much
easier to to stand in a rhythm feel you know,
maybe you miss a throw here or there, and and
it's okay because you're gonna have another opportunity to come
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back from it.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
The hardest thing I always felt like to do is
when a coach or you had a play caller who'd
run the football, run the football, and that a third
time to be like, all right, time to throw next,
you know, the next set of downs, Run the football,
run the football, time to throw, run the football, Like
you get in that habit of doing that. And there's
some bad offensive coordators who do that. And that's the
toughest thing because you may have maybe have him thrown
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a pass in a few minutes, and then you're you're
asked to be the guy to then go ahead and
convert on third down. Then you're gonna run the fall,
run the football a couple more times.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
That's to me, was always harder to do that, where
like you're gonna throw the football twenty times a game,
Like I'd rather throw forty to fifty, but I know
that's probably not necessarily good if we're throwing the football
that much, because you'd like to have balance. You only
call on sixty plays probably in a game, so if
you're somewhere south of thirty, that's that's probably a good thing.
(30:30):
You know, you'd like if you said to me, oh,
the there is thirty rushing attemps thirty passing attempts, It's like, well,
it's probably a pretty tight game. You had twenty five
pass attemps thirty five rush attemps. You're probably going, all right,
you won that game because you're running the clock out
at the end. So you know, I always looked at
it as like people want to they want to jump
on it. And they said this about brock Party too, like, oh,
they're just you know, game managers. Jalen Hurts is doing
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exactly what he's asked to do. And I don't know
there's been a quarterback that I would say in the
last two Super Bowls he's been in has performed as
well as Jalen Hurts. I mean, he's been phenomenal despite
you know what people want to say. About you know, Saquon,
his impact everything else to me, like everything he's doing
out there is difficult, you know, especially when you're at
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the top of the NFL and everyone's gutting for you. Like,
trust me, you might have a bunch of talent around you,
you still got to execute. You still have to distribute
the football. You still have to be the one to
actually play at a high enough level to get your
team that win.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah, he reminds me of a great point guard and
how he plays it. Like if I need to run,
it's third and five and I need to run, I'll run.
If I need to get it to aj Brown down
the field, I'll go to aj Brown. You need to
get it, dump it off to Saquan or to Dallas,
got at my tight end in flat I'll do that.
And it's almost like a point guard mentality, how you
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get the ball and distribute it.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's that's some of the
thought process. And a lot of people talk about something
is the more spread out offenses just being like basketball
and grass, and that's really what it becomes, and that's
what your your position ends up being the biggest thing
is just you. You have to be a good decision maker.
I mean, bottom line is like everything flows through you.
So whether it's a checking off on which run and
which way to run the football, or you know, throwing
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the football, or the protection you're putting yourself in before
you throw the football, or getting to a screen, I
mean all those things like that's paramount more than anything else.
And the guys who've won, the guys who've won Super Bowls,
or a guy like Tom Brady. You know, a thing
that we always overlook is he's a good decision maker.
If you look at you know, for example, when you
talk about throwing it, you know outside downfield, when he
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takes chances, he takes him at probably the most appropriate
time there is. There's never a time where he, you know,
would throw an interception at the worst possible time. Actually say,
it's very seldom at that happens. You know, obviously stuff happens,
but you know that's something that I feel like Jalen
Hurts falls in that category. Two, he's done job of
he seems to make the right play, make the right all,
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do the right thing at the right time. Yeah, he won't.
He won't do that.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
My home is like that too, Like my homs. I
know if you're wanting in the Super Bowl, but you know, listen,
he's usually really.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Good protecting football.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Yeah, uh coming up, listen, I want you to think
about this because I want to get his geeked up
for the start of college football as well. So I'm
gonna give you a program and let's go top five
of this century.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So think about it.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I'm gonna we'll go Texas to start off, all right,
top five long horns of this century. Throughout the course
of the show, I'll give you a school and you
give me the top five since the two thousands.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Okay, and uh so we'll do that.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
And also Lee's favorite in case you missed that, he's
gonna hook us up with all that all this stuff
that we missed yesterday. It's Brady Quinn, Anthony Gary and
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(34:47):
have our last It's our last baseball tournament of the year.
So fortunally he's missing football practice, but the coach gave
me dispensation, so he's he's in Cooperstown and there's a tournament.
There's one hundred teams at this tournament. It's the last
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tournament on the small field. So when they go to
thirteen U they go to the big field. So it's
the last tournament and there is one hundred twelve year
old twelve you teams. There's a barracks and all the
kids there's two coaches per team, and then all the
kids at these barracks and the fields are like ridiculous, right,
(35:31):
they're beautiful. It's killing me because I coach and I'm like,
I'm super vib I love it. I love every second
of it.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
But you know I have to work.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
We did South Carolina. I mean after why you know,
you gotta work. So my wife is with him. Cooper's
down right now, which is killing me. So today they
play like at nine o'clock and then they play at
ten at night, and between they go to the museum.
(36:03):
But it's the coolest thing in the world.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Brother. I've only been to Cooperstown one time, but I
loved it. I thought that was arguably the best hall
of Fame of all the sports. There's just something about
the history, something about the different displays. And you mentioned
that we actually walked by I think those fields and
this is man. I mean it had to have been
(36:25):
in probably the early nineties. I mean I walked by
like the fields and the facilities then and just I
remember I was in awe. I mean it looked just
something about it. It felt nostalgic. I mean, even as
like a young age, you're like, this is where you
want to play. So that should be awesome, man. I
hope it has a great time out there.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yeah, thanks brother, appreciating all right now, time Lee, in
case you missed it.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
These sometimes you can't get to everything in the world
of sports or entertainment. Good thing. The guys are here
to bring you in case you missed it.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
Good oh, no, good morning everybody. Good board and Brady,
good board to Anthony, guys, in case you miss it.
It was reported by Nielsen yesterday that that Friday game
and a debut for Shdor Sanders, raked in two point
two million viewers. Not a record by any means. There's
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definitely higher preseason games, but definitely a good showing. I
don't know if that was all Shador or the fact
that it was six months since we've seen football.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
What do you guys think? I'm not sure what to think,
because Anthony, you might have a better idea of how
this works. Ratings for these games, I mean it's all regional, right,
I mean, it's not like they're getting nationally televised unless
they're those like one or two games that I think
it nationally televised by It was Friday night and the
(37:56):
NFL network. Yeah, okay, so so it was at least
on cable was actually televised, Okay, Yeah, Now I do know.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
The Hall of Fame game was his sixth did it six', nine,
right which was which was over two million greater than
THE Nba finals, right.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
It's. NUTS i mean this this country loves. Football, yeah
you know it's interesting is we're making a someone's making
a story out of. THIS i think when, you for,
example compare it to The hall Of fame, game WHICH
i don't even know what the incentive would be to watch.
Them in, fact the football's back, on it's The hall
Of fame. Game, yeah it kind of peals into comparison to,
(38:37):
That SO i think it sounds. GOOD i think someone's
trying to push it out there is, like, oh this
is gonna be like a ratings. Boondoggle but this is THE.
Nfl it's The. Browns even if he was to start this,
year it's not a big market, team so you're not
gonna get a lot of those like nationally televised spots
for them just because he's their.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
Quarterback well unless they are flex later in, season right
but yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah but even, then like you, know, again people will
tune into watch they want to. Watch they obviously have
they're different ways to do. So BUT i don't think
they're gonna change around THE nfl schedule drastically because of.
THAT i mean it goes back to What anthony's pointing.
Out if the team's. Good if they're, winning that's why
they're gonna be on prime, time.
Speaker 8 (39:18):
Right all, right, Guys, well in case you missed, it
we mentioned two point two million people viewing that. Game
how about two point five million people seeing a tweet
from a Fake Adam schefter yesterday saying That Odell Beckham
junior was retiring after ten. Seasons that's not that that
happens to not be the, case, Though obj went To
twitter himself to set the record, straight say, no, seriously
please stop reading everything you read on the internet and
(39:40):
stop texting me happy. Retirement before he pissed me, off
they will get no, RESPONSE i promise. You the Day i'm,
done i'll let you know. Again if you text me happy,
Retirement i'm just gonna have to block.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
You, Thanks. BRADY i MEAN i look at this, like all,
Right i'm not really sure to what to Make if
there's a lot of things going on right now with
with some people making stuff, Up i'm not sure we
have time for. That, now maybe we can get into
that story about some Different venmo. Payments, well, yeah we
(40:11):
are going to get into.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
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