April 17, 2025 • 40 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brian Noe & Geoff Schwartz fill in for the guys and talk about the Heat eliminating the Bulls from the NBA Play-In, as well as the potential for the Mavs as they defeat the Kings. Also, former Tennessee QB Nico Iamaleava possibly going to UCLA, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Give this you're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, what
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Speaker 3 (00:41):
Good morning everybody? As uh Man bad news to start
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did not expect cranky pants Schwartz out of the gate
here where you're joining the flock.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
The herd has become very trendy. Oh, the play in
tournament sucks.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
This is no good whatso I want to hear this
argument of yours.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I did not say it sucked, but let me good
morning to you, Brian. Look, here's here's my general philosophy
on playoffs. Okay, I think it's a normal one to have, right,
the playoff excuse me there, the playoff should the playoff
should be the purpose of the playoffs determined a champion.
This is the same thing I've said in college football,
the same, exactly the same exact argument here. Right when
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we expand the collegetable playoff, I said, yeah, I'll watch
the games. I'll gamble on them. Brian, I had money
last night. How about this. I took Kings to win
the third quarter by by four and a half points
or more. They won by five. Awesome. I barely got
homesh my wager the move the number move to five
and a half. I got a good I got a
good numbers like, sign me up. Great, Right, I'm gonna
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wager in the games. I'm gonna pay attention ish, not
sometimes when the blowout happens, but sure, I'm gonna pay
attention ish to these playing games. But the point of
a playoff. It's a tournament champion, correct, and none of
these teams are wear in the championship? Now are the
games can be the entertaining? Yeah, the wororst game last
night was entertaining. The second half of these games last
night got closer right that the first half. I think
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both teams were tabbed by like thirty at halftime, but
you knew the home team was gonna make a run.
But just like adding playoff games, to add them to
me is not appealing. Again, do I watch them? Absolutely,
but like to call these like play I just I
know you're more of a everyone should be in the
playoff and let's let's everyone should it's a participation tournament
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all the time. But like, yeah, it's in the NFL.
Like the seventh seed in the NFL, that team gets
blown out each and every year. Like there's no point
in that having that team there. Now I'm gonna to
watch the games, Sure, I watch them all, Brian, but like,
there's no point in these games. These teams are not
gonna win a championship. They're gonna get blown out by
the one seed. Look, the one of the exception might
be the Warriors, who are favored over the Rockets in
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the next in the first round, I guess, but that's
my take on it. Like it doesn't really change the
sport at all.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Okay, you're you're being way too literal with play in tournament.
You know, I get your first point, but I I
like the Kambe matumbo. Just reject your first point and
then then dangerously I wag my index finger. You out
weighing me by what a good one hundred probably fact,
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I don't know, No, no, no, that's what I'm doing
to your your first point over here, Jeff Schwartz.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
It's very very dangerous game over here. But it has
to be done. Look, it's it's not just the last
two nights, right the play in tournament. It goes into
the regular season. The regular season down the stretch was
aided by the play in tournament because you want to
be one of the top six teams where you're not
in play in territory. So it aided a lot of
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matchups down the stretch of the regular season where you
need to win. Oh, the Warriors get tripped up against
Harrison Barnes and the Spurs.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Oh, they're in play in territory.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Here and then they lose the final game of the
regular season against the Clippers, and lo and behold, they're in.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
The play in tournament.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Like so there were games in the regular season that
were spruced up because of the play in tournament.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's not just the last two days.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
That was only because the West had every team with
the same record, for like the middle of the West,
four and eight had like the same record. But that's
not that's unusual. And we got lucky this year, I think,
and happened to be the Warriors. Okay, if this was
not the Warriors, who was the Grizzlies. Let's say the
Warriors were the four seed or whatever, and it was
a Grizzlies, the Clippers, the Wolves, and Kings. So sort
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of the Kings just move up a little bit, right
in situation. I think it's only interesting because the Warriors
were in it. The Warriors were not in it. I
don't think we have the same appeal to the playing
tournament in the West or really your idea that you know,
the regular season then the season. Look, I will give you.
I'll give you this in the last game of the
season for me, and I make no bones about my
NBA watching in the regular season. You know that game,
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I watched it because it mattered more to whether or
not the Clippers or the Warriors were going to be
in the in the postseason officially after that game, But
that's just one game in my mind. Look, I don't
really view it as having to pay attention to the
whole regular season to make sure that a team Again.
I think it's a Warrior's thing more than anything else.
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Bright Obviously, the Warriors still carry a lot of weight
in the mea. I think a lot of us just
didn't want the Lakers Warriors in Round one because that
would have been I just I think neither of us
wanted to see one of those teams eliminated. You might
you hate the Lakers, but otherwise a lot of us
want to see the Lakers and Warriors play as long as possible.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
For the record, for anybody who's just listening, you know,
Jeff is a sensitive Laker fan. I could have just
said he's a Laker fan, and you would have gathered
that he's a sensitive Laker fan, because that's how they're guilty.
But he thinks I hate the Lakers. I just hate
their front court because they don't have one. They have
Jackson Hayes. That's the end of the list with their
front court right there. So I just don't like this.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I'm I have backed off. I take a little bit
of them being the Thunder. I'm slightly concerned about that,
but I think they get to the Western prof Final.
I don't think that's actually much of a concern.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I'll tell you what, if it is Lakers v. Thunder
in the Western Conference Finals, it is going to be
the Thunder doing the people's elbow on the forehead of
the Lakers all series long. That is, if that does happen,
that's gonna be fun. But hey, back to the play
in because I still have more ammunition.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Now.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
You're a football guy, Jeff primary right, like we both are.
We've got football top of the list. We love hoops,
we love other sports, but football is king. Nobody said
this about the college football Playoff. That was the first
year it was expanded. This past season, we had twelve
teams in the College Football Playoff. It'll probably be seventy
eight by next Tuesday, but that's another story. We had
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twelve teams, right, Nobody after it was just blowout city
left and right. The first round, Penn State crushes Who
was it it was?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I can't even remember. It was who's the team SMU?
That's right, as SMU was throwing pick sixes like.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
You just hit them out like candy over there.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, that's brutally.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
But Tennessee got crushed by Ohio State. Of course, my
Irish took care of business against IU. I. You didn't
stand a chance against a true powerhouse, right, Jeff. But
the point is nobody was whining about the first round
of the college football playoff. It's just blow up blah
blahuh blohu. It was worse than the play in tournament.
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We had three blowouts in four play in tournament games
so far this season. In basketball, no one was saying, oh,
this college football playoffs expansion, it's dumb.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
What are we doing? What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
We're wasting our time these teams competing here, these away teams.
There's no way SMU can win a title. There's no
way that IU and Tennessee. No one was saying that.
So I don't understand why it's all venom. It's a
very popular take that the playing tournament in the NBA
is no good. It's like if you don't like basketball,
don't watch Like no one's forcing you to watch these games.
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If you don't want to watch Anthony Davis and Klay
Thompson last night, don't I will.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
If you don't want to see John Morant do this.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Cool backboard move where he basically throws an alley up
to himself off the backboard, don't watch Warriors and Grizzlies
was a great game. I just don't understand why people
are really annoyed by more basketball.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's like no one's forcing you to watch this.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Well, I mean I am forced to gamble on it,
which unfortunately I feel way look look again. To be fair,
I have had a different tank on culturable Playoff. I
have said I didn't I didn't go hard because I
feel like afterwards saying I didn't want this system as
pointless because I argued against it. I mean same with
the portal.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Look.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I argued against open portal for years, and I thought
the exact situation would happened in cultural is happening now, Like,
why would I continue just to tweet about portal sucks.
I just I get to a point where I just said,
like I've lost my argument because I have lost about
playoff expansion. We're about fourteen teams pretty soon. I lost, Brian.
I don't like it. I don't think it's necessary. Eight
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teams I think will be perfect. I think I thought
the BCS was fine, so whatever. I mean, maybe I'm
a weirdo like that. I think I think some down
overtime in the NFL regular season's fine too, So I'm fine.
I'm fine with a lot of these things, just being
shorter and being done with. And yes, you're gonna get
good good playing the Warriors. Uh uh, Memphis game was
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was good. I think I think Mavericks and Grizzlies are
going to be good. I we'll be honest with you, Brian.
I might not watch a second of heating Hawks. That
game interests me zero percent. But Mavericks Grizzlies, that's gonna
be good. That would be a good game. I'll give
you that. And then look, you get the right to
get to get swept by Oklahoma City, so that should
be a fun contest.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I know they're just gonna celebrate like this is awesome.
We're in the playoffs. Oh we get okay, See that's awesome,
that's great. I think this is what it boils down
to last thing here. For anybody who's like, oh, the
play in tournament, here's the question, if it were up
to you, and be as honest as possible, would you
keep the playing tournament or would you get rid of
it and just go back to the way it was
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where the top eight teams from each conference make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I would absolutely keep it. I think it's good for basketball.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Okay, I guess I maybe should have done a little
more research on this before I I how often are
we getting so right now? Like in the West, right
the Warrior for the seventh seed. If Memphis wins, their
the eight seeds. So that's basically how the regular seasons finished. Okay,
the magic one is the seventh seed in the East.
If the Hawks beat the Bulls, then it Hawks beat
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the Heat, then you have seven to eight again in
the post How often are we getting the ninth or
tenth team ending up in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, that's a good question, Like how often has the
play in tournament changed the order of like the seven
and eight seeds right, Like this happened before, but how
often I'm not sure. I'd have to do a little
bit of digging there, but it does happen.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yeah, So I mean that that'd be curious to see it. Look,
I think the Mavericks have a legitimate opportunity here. Everyone's healthy, right,
and when they're healthy and ads in the lineup there,
I think they're seven and three now with everyone together.
After that win last night, they looked very good last night.
I thought they would they would win that game. Look
that they win, they're the ten seed. It would be interesting.
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It's Oklahoma City, right, you know you got I guess
they'd be the eight seed. Excuse me, you're a d
and Tiger. You got a chance to make it interesting.
I think in a couple of games, rather than I
think Memphis just gets blown out, right, do we agree
on that? It's probably four not in Oklahoma City if
they play Memphis. But Dallas could maybe win a game
at home maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
They have a play maybe maybe Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Talented players to make it happen one game in Dallas.
So again, I am different because of I thought the
same thing about the Cultural World playoff e spanning and
after those games, again, I'm not complain about them, because
what's the point that's at this moment I can complain
about it to you now, because this is still still
new and it happened last night.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I just I'm cool with it, man, I think this
I'll put it this way. Just because we had three
out of four blowouts, I don't think that's what we're getting.
That's the only thing we're getting going forward with the
playing in tournament. You know, granted there have been some
blowouts and some like yawners this year. It doesn't mean
that every single year of the playing tournament it's gonna
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be nothing, but that you don't have to go back
that far where Lebron and staff are in the playing
tournament and Lebron's hitting a big shot after he got
clabbered in the face and then he's theatrical and he's
like I was shooting at the middle hoop right that.
You know, It's like, okay, Lebron, all right, you can
see fines.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Settled down there.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
But I'm just telling you it was a close game,
dramatic outcome.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Like I'm not trying to sell you that this.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Is the best thing in the world, but I'm here
to tell you that it's not the worst thing ever.
And some people are making it sound like this is dumb.
This is a total waste of time.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Where are we.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Even doing this? And it's I think it's just prisoner
of the moment. It's prisoner of the moment. Take one
oh one, and uh, I'm not here for it. Jeff Schwartz,
Long story short is what I'm telling you right here.
But hey, good news. We don't just have basketball on
the docket here today. We've got ball ball of course,
me football. Any rational thinking human being knows that we
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got the.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Draft right around the corner.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
We got all kinds draft, that's right, one week from today.
We are finally within range of it actually happening. You know,
I feel like we've been looking at this thing for
so many months where you're like, my gosh.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's like three months away.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Though you know it's one week away, so we'll get
to all the draft stuff. Also, this this has been
one wild ride and there could be many, many more.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
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Speaker 3 (14:55):
It is Fox Sports Radio. I'm Brian, No, he's Jeff Schwartz.
We're in for two pros and a cup of Joe
live from the Tireck dot Com studios. So our guy, quarterback,
Nico Yama Leava, looks like he's probably gonna head to UCLA, right,
former Tennessee quarterback. And it's not official yet, but they're
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making lovey dovey eyes together. Right, Nico is kind of
like batting his eyes. Ucla is returning the favor, like,
oh yeah, I'm kind of interested in each other. Looks
like that's probably where he's gonna end up, Jeff, And
there are a lot of layers to this right where
it seems like he upped his asking price, wanted a
new nil deal, some something with more cash at Tennessee.
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Tennessee said you threw nineteen touchdown passes last season. No,
we're not doing that. We're not like doubling your paycheck.
So he hit the portal and looks like he's gonna
end up at UCLA. I'm curious where you initially start
to think about this as an ex player, because I'm
very pro player on this one. Where look, just like
the NFL, even if you have some sort of nil
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agreement in place, if you outperform your agreement and you've
got leverage and you want to sit out and force
the hand of the school, the nil collective.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
What have you to get more cash? If you've got
the leverage and you take.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Advantage of it, I really don't have a problem with it.
It turns out Nico he's not the guy that had
that leverage that could force his hand and get the
more money. But other players will have that leverage, and
just like the NFL, Hey, if the NFL can cut you,
I don't have a problem with you holding out for
more money when you outperform your contract. It's just Nico
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wasn't the guy to do that in college.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
So the reason why this is such a big deal
is a couple of things, but mostly just because we
haven't had this situation happen in college football yet. Whereas
you mentioned, this is a pro model. Right A player
is being paid X amount of money and there have
been players that have that have asked for more money. Uh,
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but they're you know, they're linebackers, they're running backs, and
they just get you know, they get what's called processed, right,
they get that that's what collegeable coaches call basically cutting players.
They process them out of their of their building now.
And it's just done quietly, right, It's just done quietly.
But because it's a quarterback, and because Nico's deal was
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the first one in the new world that felt just
very paid for play, right. So so an il Na
age likeness was originally designed and you knew immediately it
would be abused, but it was a really designed for
a player to market themselves, okay, and make money. So
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you know, Fox Sports Radio is is wants to hire
to hire Jeff Schwartz as a college offensive lignment from
Oregon to do a couple of radio spots locally Eugene.
There's a Fox Sports Radio and Eugene. And you get
paid a thousand dollars to do it, and it might
be more than you would make otherwise, but you know,
you get you go to a car dealership or your
local eatery. And that's the way it was designed to be.
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And of course the system would be abused. Almost immediately
came a situation where you'd be pay for play, right,
where a team says, hey, man, we'll make you sign
those autographs. We'll give you two mill dollars a year
to do so, you know, And Nico's was so loudly expensive, right.
The reported asking price was eight million dollars at the time, right,
And they ended up being confirmed to be correct. And
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so there was already that those eyeballs to a situation
at Tennessee because of those numbers. And then the story
comes out that he wanted more money. Now they will
tell you. His side will say no, no, no, we don't
want more money. And this is where I think that
just be honest with us, because the reasons that his
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side is giving for this breakup. Our Tennessee's offense does
not prepare their son for because it's mostly from the
parents side, right, who are his agent. He doesn't prepare
our son for the NFL. And so two things here
that are are silly. One is that the reason why
the offense didn't work last year is your son didn't
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play well enough. Okay, so that's that's a that's that's
the reason why. But two, have you watched any of
the college offenses around the country, like Shad Dear Sanders
plays in a horrific offense in Colorado. It is so
poorly designed. Does not matter. You know, we've seen players
go go from air ran offenses. We've seen players get
drafted with no wide receiver help. We've seen we've seen
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all these players get drafted with no offensive line help
with The college offenses are terrible. There there there are
college offenses that are Jackson Dart for example. Okay, at
Old Miss probably probably will be a first round pick.
His offense is like ninety seven percent exagering a little
bit of course, our p packs. It's not a pro offense, Brian.
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It doesn't matter if it matters how the quarterback plays
and then the talent that you can project off of
that play to the NFL. So I just wish they
would own it, Brian and just be like, yeah, we
want more money. It didn't work out. Oh well it's
a pro model. We're leaving.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, And I don't know why both schools. Schools are
at least ahead of this, Like Ryan Day last year,
will openly say hey, we need more money. If you
want to sign these players, we need a lot more cash.
The schools will openly talk about. At least the coaches
will openly talk about needing more money for a legit
roster fueled by nil. I don't know why the players don't.
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It's still like this outdated thought of not us. We
weren't asking for more money. It's like, you can, it's legal.
What's the problem Like if you're holding out for more cash,
which you clearly were, what's the problem with saying, yeah,
we were doing it. We overestimate the market. I guess,
I don't know. We thought it would be okay, wasn't okay.
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We're picking ourselves back up. But there's nothing wrong with
asking for more money. But these these kids are like, no,
not us, I would not ask for Why Why are
you hiding behind a clear lie of course you were
asking for more cash.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
I think it's it's it's it's sort of twofold here, right,
it's still a sort of taboo for players to openly
ask for money. It's all done behind the scenes, right, Also,
do these collectives? You know a lot of states have
like laws shielding the capability to learn about these deals, right,
even because there's you know, there's talks about a register,
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which I don't necessarily agree with but you know, you'd
register all your deals, and I think you actually have
to within double a but it's very secretive and what
you actually get, you know, same with like you know
NFL deals, right, like the agent says what it is
and you realize, you know, Stefan Diggs three years, seventy
million dollars, it's like actually a one year idea for
twenty million, Like, I mean, part of it is that too,
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But I think the kids, there's still a large section
of college football fans that have a problem with the
market dictating what the price for these players are. Look,
is paying a high school quarterback to mill dollars a
year a lot of money? Yeah? I think it is.
But it's not my money, right Brian. And that doesn't
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affect my life at all. If Oregon, I'm an Organ
fan or you're an Irish fan wants to pay you know, CJ. Carr,
Dante Mora two quarterbacks two millars a year, who cares?
It's not my money, I'm I it's it's it's a
it's a booster's money. And and then I think the
other interesting part about this whole situation is so July one,
twenty twenty one is when the Supreme Court essentially allowed
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players to make money. Okay, the first year for the
first year Confortable starts in twenty twenty one, that year
was traditional and I deals that we saw, and then
obviously the pay for play. So we're basically into year
four this summer of the pay for play structure that
we have right now, and the money is flowing. Man,
those guys are making those backups are getting six figures
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at Power five conference and powerful conference schools. Like it's flowing.
Guys are making money. And the question I always had
about this process, and I think we're starting to see
it with Nico. This might change the tide of things.
That's the way. Maybe why players don't want to talk
about the money's much because I want to try to
keep it as quiet as possible, is that at some
point I thought, and we're stoking this is a situation
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here where these money, the people that donate the money,
they want a return on investment. Now it's a different
return on investment than obviously putting in the stock market,
because you know, these are billionaires that their toy is
their college football program. They love, you know, and they're
trying to win championships and they have the money to
help the program do that. They want prestige, They want
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access to the program, right, and you get access to
the program through paying the players and whatnot. Okay, fine,
but the return on investment on some of these deals,
to me, was never going to happen. It was going
to get to a point where boosters are like, I mean,
I have the disposed of income, but I really want
to spend two monos on quarterback that it doesn't win
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us enough games. And I think we're seeing that here too,
where Tennessee's and Boosters are like, a, NA, We're good.
And I wonder if it has a trickle down effect
to some other places that are paying players too much
money and the boosters say, the return of investment is
just not there. We're scaling back on how much we
invest in the players.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah. Well yeah, there could be a ripple effect on this.
I think that some of it. We always talk about
quarterback deals in the NFL resetting the market, right, We're
always talking about that, like, oh, Dak Prescott just got
an extension, he reset the quarterback market, so on and
so forth. I think this could sort of reset the
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quarterback market to a degree in college football. At least,
you're going to have to have players that put up
better numbers, are more productive, and then if they want
to pull a Nico and hold out for more cash,
then they might reset the market. But with him holding
out and Tennessee giving him the Heisman stiff arm, you know,
like that does, at least for now, reset the market
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as of right now. I just think, listen, it's one
of these deals where there are some unintended consequences with NIL. Obviously,
when it comes to college sports, I think that's the
least they can do. These players are bringing in so
much money in college football and they're not seeing a
dime of it. They're just making a buck off their name,
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image and likeness. That's the least they should be able
to do.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Now.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
It does lead to some unintended problems, but you think
about these agreements with the NIL, between the school or
the collective and the player. It's sort of these handshake
deals where it's like, yeah, we'll pay you X amount,
and well, if the player underperformed, maybe UNLV just doesn't pay.
(26:03):
At least that's according to Matthew Sluka. Remember the guy
who left there and it's like, well, what happens if
the collective just doesn't make good on what they promised
really nothing. What happens if the player outperforms the expectations
and holds out for more cash, Like there are a
lot of people that are banging the table for more legislation.
(26:27):
And it's like, look, this happens in the NFL all
the time. You have these legally binding contracts and players
still hold out from more cash. Teams still cut players
left and right. Even if you had more uniformed quote
unquote contracts in college football, you can still have these
things happening. So I don't know, Man, it's the wild
(26:47):
West right now, and I think the unintended consequences for
a lot of people, it turns into you know what,
I knew it was gonna bring be a problem when
these players started making money, and it's like that's what
they deserve and is gonna have to deal with some
of the unintended consequences.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I think about. It's like, what what what problem is
it one player and one school have a disagreement, Like
I think that And the thing about like these situations too, Brian,
is it's still very new. Right July first of this
year will be four years since this was even allowed,
and obviously it took a couple of years to get
the system in place. Is that the market tends to
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correct itself, like we'll get to a certain point where
I think the money gets reduced a little bit. Like
for example, it's reported that the number one kid in
the country, Bryce Underwood, quarterback right signed with Michigan. Okay,
reporting got like ten million dollars whatever over three years
because three years he hopes to play three years if
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he does not live up with expectations the next mission,
quarterbacks not getting ten million dollars. Like, the market will
set it up, but it has to take multiple contracts
to get there. Now you mentioned that I think is
really interesting about this process is the honoring of the contracts, right,
and you know, this is such a fresh process, and
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this is why people want a little bit of oversight,
and I would disagree with there being congressional oversight in
the situation, but there really is nothing is nothing to
protect the players if the school and the collective breaches
their contract because it's not collectively bargained. It's not like
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the NFL or NBA or NHL or baseball that has
a players association each player is individually negotiating, and yes
they might have representation, their parent might be their rep.
But the schools don't honor and they could certainly sue.
I think I think there's a lawsuit out right now
with another quarterback. He sued the school and collective, right, Jenruar.
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I think it is Jener Rashada, I believe who did
that with Florida. But there really is is and that
I think is where the process could be helped, right,
is to have the players maybe have a little better
representation in in this in this process. But I don't
think it should be from Congress. I would hate if
hunger was got evolved in brewing the whole thing. But
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then you have state laws that what supersedes what There's
be a lot will be lossuits for years and years
and years on that if that were to happen. So nonetheless,
the market will correct itself, in my opinion, and it
will well, we'll have a system in a couple of years.
I think that's that's running pretty well, and I'm not
saying that's running poorly.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Now.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Again, this is this is one instance. Of course, there
are other instances, but I we we see, we see
far in my opinion, far more players whose system benefits right, uh,
then doesn't and those players we see it right now. Look,
the portal has its own flaws, but you know the
spring portals open for for college football, and you know
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there's a lot of players that are getting there are
gonna be getting a lot of pay raises, right that
all right? At group of five schools that that that
deserve its opportunity to play at the division. I've seen
there the as you want to shove me the power
four level, Brian, that may make more money, and the
system is working out pretty well for everyone, but the
Tennessee quarterback. I think it's fine. It'll be, it'll be.
It's not a referendum on the whole system. It's one
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player who wanted out, who wanted more money, and this
is part of life. Like I don't feel sorry, people say,
I don't feel sorry for Nikoch. He's made a lot
of money. It's a good life. Lesson, right, you thought
you had leverage, You didn't have leverage. Oh well, if
you go to UCLA and the same thing happens again,
maybe he thinks twice about being so public about wanting
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to leave. You know, there's reports that he tried to
do this during collegeble playoff preparation. And this is where
there's a fine line I think between now where you
get into the football part of this, Brian, that I'm
so curious about the locker room here because I would
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nil became the way we did college football. You know
a lot of people that were against it and said,
what about the locker room? Guy? What about the locker room?
Have the players gonna feel when they're getting paid more
than other guys? I'm like, so you don't have to
say about the NFL with the NBA, or we won't
like these guys give a little bit of credit for
being a little maybe more mature that we give him
credit for. But you know, players understand where they fit
(31:17):
on the hierarchy. Like, I'm you give a little bit
of credit here, Brian. Right, Like if if the backup
right guard of Tennessee has pissed Negle's making a lot
of money, well that's the backup right right guards problem, right,
No one else's the problem. But when you start asking
for more money and you haven't earned the right to
do that, and then you start sitting out of practice,
which you just missed one practice and you're start doing
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so loudly about it. I'm sure that there was a
whiff of like, hey man, Nile's out here trying to
get more money to the culture will playoff. The locker
room is not going to like that though. They're not
going to like that, you know, because now you're not
really for the team, you're for yourself. And again, if
he played, if he won the Heisman, ask for money,
everyone'd be like when the locker room, Yeah, they touch
your money, bro, go get it. That's not what happened, right,
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So I'm curious how much it matters. And this in
since the locker room.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, no, there's certainly a time and place aspect to this.
If you're all of a sudden using your leverage gearing
up for a college football playoff game, that's where it's like,
whoa dude, really, This is a little bit of a
different situation here.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
But that's the where this starts is.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
And this is how I fundamentally think of nil real
fast Jeff is think of college sports similar to music. Okay,
let's say you and I, Jeff, we're in a hot
EDM band, right, like, you're very into this, as we should.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yes, we're very very popular.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
We're selling out arenas left and right, but we don't
see a dime of that money. You know, the NCAA,
they swoop in, they get some cash. The school that
we've we got, we go to right, they get cash.
We don't see a dime. We're selling out arenas left
and right. We don't get any of that money. The
least we can do is sell some T shirts and
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some CDs and whatever we can sell off of name,
image and likeness. That's the least we can do. I
don't see anybody that would push back on that.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
That's just obvious.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
You should probably be getting a cut of the money
that you generate with selling out those stadiums and arenas
and all that. But okay, fine, we don't see a
dime off of that. You should at least be able
to make some money off of your name, image and likeness.
That's what's happening in college sports. It's exactly what's happening
in college football. And does it lead to some problems
like the band thing, if we're not splitting the revenue equally,
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and hey, I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Jeff's the lead singer.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
He thinks he should make a sixty percent of our
nil cut and I should only make like twenty because
I play the tambourine and what am I really doing it?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
And it leads to some infight.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Okay, it's not gonna be perfect, but fundamentally you should
be making some money because you're bringing all of this
money in and not seeing a cut of it. So
where it goes from there, I think you just have
to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Some of these.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
College football fans who've been fans for years where we
never had to deal with any of this stuff, they
just look at it like, oh my gosh, here we
go again with money and holdouts and they're making how
much money?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
And this is where we're at.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
The last thing I'll say before we got to go here,
you mentioned something that I that I've argued for years. Okay,
So if you're a scholarship athlete or you're a scholarship musician, okay,
you're both at the same school. Previous to the system.
The scholarship musician can make money on their name aage
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likeness while they are on a full scholarship at the university.
Right they can go play a venue, They can go
make money on YouTube or on social media, post the
clips themselves saying a football player is not allowed to
do that, which which said silly, right, Like a football
player on the same scholarship, right, same ride, you getting
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the same benefits from the university. One is making the
university money like one's and and one is just on
a music scholarship because they're supremely time both supremely talented individuals.
The musician was allowed to earn a living outside of football,
outside of the scholarship, where football player was not. That
to me felt always backwards.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, no, it is. It's completely backwards. But that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
They have some some kinks to work out, for sure,
but fundamentally, I absolutely back the players should be making
some money and this is just a minor portion of
what they're bringing in, you know, so you're gonna have
to deal with some headaches along the way. It's gonna happen,
but tough. I will never go back to Hey, you know,
we should go back to the pre nil model, Like,
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no way, that's the that's the bare minimum of what
they should be getting.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
And also some problems, but it's the way it goes.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Also helps absolutely will which makes us like it more little, I.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Think, Yeah, no doubt, all right, He's Jeff Schwartz, I'm
Brian Know. We're in for two Pros and a Cup
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Speaker 2 (36:16):
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Speaker 2 (36:33):
He's Jeff Schwartz, I'm Brian though.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
We're in for two Pros and a Cup of Joe
here on Fox Sports Radio, Live from the tire rack
dot Com Studios. So one of my favorite scenes in
the movie Casino when de Niro sits in his his
car in his garage with Joe Peshy and they have
this song playing.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yeah everything being wired be tapped.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
That should say, yeah, right, They had to turn it
down a little bit, but it's just so obvious. They're like, hey,
let's get this song in the movie here, and you know, yeah,
you're all over that movie.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Good music because you know, I don't know if there's
any there's no there's no grunge bands, right, So I
think that's a perfect perfect soundtrack.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
I mean, obviously it could use a little more metal,
and it's dieing.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
What scene would be metal? Just them murking everyone? That
would be like the metal scenes.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Oh oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yeah, maybe when they're getting hit in the forehead with
baseball bats in the cornfield over there.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
What would be the what would be the ultimate would
be the song you would choose for that?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
For that gosh, the endless possibilities right there, just just you.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Lay probably be a good one.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
I saw I saw a clip of an ending on
TikTok the other day, and I was thinking to myself, like,
won't be the worst ways to die? I think being
beaten with a baseball bat and then thrown into its
still alive. That was that's certainly, that's certainly up there.
Like I was thinking of head about what would be
the I was like, that's that's gonna be one of them.
That's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, part that might actually be that might be top
of the list right there. Man, that's I don't want
to get too grim, but you're watching your brother my gosh,
maybe it'd be.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Worse than that.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
But let me get to this here, Jeff. So, the
Time one hundred was released yesterday. What is the Time
one hundred? What Time magazine? They released their list of
the top one hundred most influential people of twenty twenty five.
Why this is being released in April is beyond me.
Is the top one hundred most influential people of twenty
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twenty five? Why is this not in December? Is my
first question? But anyway, there are six athletes on this list.
One of the athletes is NFL quarterback Jalen Hurts, freshop
Super Bowl win with the Eagles, Jeff, he is listed
in the icon section here. He's with Demi Moore. We
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got Eagles QB Jalen Hurts. Now the other athletes on
this list. We've got Serena Williams, tennis legend and entrepreneur.
We've got Olympic gymnast Simone Biles. We've got Olympic swimmer
Leon Marshall. Right, we've got w NBA stars the FISA
Collier and Brianna Stewart who co founded the unrivaled league.
(39:20):
So we're talking about influential people. I get that it
makes some sense here. But think about Jalen.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Hurts, who Kaylen Clark's on the list.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Caitlin is not on the list.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Jeff, Oh, look, it's spent hours on the w NBA,
which is that? What?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Who are the other errors here?
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Otani's got to be on the How could O'tani not
be on this list with all the.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
He was hit a ball out of the stadium last night?
I mean, isn't Patrick Mahomes still more influenced? Yes, I
don't think that's a solution, right, Like isn't No? Yeah, Look,
Jalen Hurts obviously, what an incredible story. I think we're
all rooting for hers. He's fantastic. I'm a Chiefs guy.
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I'm rooting for her. Hurts seems like the best person,
like a great leader, right, great person. He is influential,
but he doesn't have the national even to the marketing
of Patrick Mahomes or like, I don't right, Mahomes like
is like a multiple business owner sports team owner in
Kansas City. I don't really, I don't know. I don't
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know what the I would.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Also throw in the list, how about Luca? Luca gets traded.
That's all we've been talking about he's the first non
American to lead the NBA in jersey sales this season.
I think Luca's got to be on that list too,
but hey, whatever coming up next. Actions speak louder than
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Speaker 2 (01:15):
The herd has become very trendy. Oh, the play in
tournament sucks.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
This is no good whatso I want to hear this
argument of yours.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I did not say it sucked, but let me good
morning to you, Brian. Look, here's here's my general philosophy
on playoffs. Okay, I think it's a normal one to have, right,
the playoff excuse me there, the playoff should the playoff
should be the purpose of the playoffs determined a champion.
This is the same thing I've said in college football,
the same, exactly the same exact argument here. Right when
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we expand the collegetable playoff, I said, yeah, I'll watch
the games. I'll gamble on them. Brian, I had money
last night. How about this. I took Kings to win
the third quarter by by four and a half points
or more. They won by five. Awesome. I barely got
homesh my wager the move the number move to five
and a half. I got a good I got a
good numbers like, sign me up. Great, Right, I'm gonna
(02:09):
wager in the games. I'm gonna pay attention ish, not
sometimes when the blowout happens, but sure, I'm gonna pay
attention ish to these playing games. But the point of
a playoff. It's a tournament champion, correct, and none of
these teams are wear in the championship? Now are the
games can be the entertaining? Yeah, the wororst game last
night was entertaining. The second half of these games last
night got closer right that the first half. I think
(02:31):
both teams were tabbed by like thirty at halftime, but
you knew the home team was gonna make a run.
But just like adding playoff games, to add them to
me is not appealing. Again, do I watch them? Absolutely,
but like to call these like play I just I
know you're more of a everyone should be in the
playoff and let's let's everyone should it's a participation tournament
(02:52):
all the time. But like, yeah, it's in the NFL.
Like the seventh seed in the NFL, that team gets
blown out each and every year. Like there's no point
in that having that team there. Now I'm gonna to
watch the games, Sure, I watch them all, Brian, but like,
there's no point in these games. These teams are not
gonna win a championship. They're gonna get blown out by
the one seed. Look, the one of the exception might
be the Warriors, who are favored over the Rockets in
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the next in the first round, I guess, but that's
my take on it. Like it doesn't really change the
sport at all.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Okay, you're you're being way too literal with play in tournament.
You know, I get your first point, but I I
like the Kambe matumbo. Just reject your first point and
then then dangerously I wag my index finger. You out
weighing me by what a good one hundred probably fact,
(03:44):
I don't know, No, no, no, that's what I'm doing
to your your first point over here, Jeff Schwartz.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
It's very very dangerous game over here. But it has
to be done. Look, it's it's not just the last
two nights, right the play in tournament. It goes into
the regular season. The regular season down the stretch was
aided by the play in tournament because you want to
be one of the top six teams where you're not
in play in territory. So it aided a lot of
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matchups down the stretch of the regular season where you
need to win. Oh, the Warriors get tripped up against
Harrison Barnes and the Spurs.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Oh, they're in play in territory.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Here and then they lose the final game of the
regular season against the Clippers, and lo and behold, they're in.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
The play in tournament.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Like so there were games in the regular season that
were spruced up because of the play in tournament.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's not just the last two days.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
That was only because the West had every team with
the same record, for like the middle of the West,
four and eight had like the same record. But that's
not that's unusual. And we got lucky this year, I think,
and happened to be the Warriors. Okay, if this was
not the Warriors, who was the Grizzlies. Let's say the
Warriors were the four seed or whatever, and it was
a Grizzlies, the Clippers, the Wolves, and Kings. So sort
(05:01):
of the Kings just move up a little bit, right
in situation. I think it's only interesting because the Warriors
were in it. The Warriors were not in it. I
don't think we have the same appeal to the playing
tournament in the West or really your idea that you know,
the regular season then the season. Look, I will give you.
I'll give you this in the last game of the
season for me, and I make no bones about my
NBA watching in the regular season. You know that game,
(05:23):
I watched it because it mattered more to whether or
not the Clippers or the Warriors were going to be
in the in the postseason officially after that game, But
that's just one game in my mind. Look, I don't
really view it as having to pay attention to the
whole regular season to make sure that a team Again.
I think it's a Warrior's thing more than anything else.
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Bright Obviously, the Warriors still carry a lot of weight
in the mea. I think a lot of us just
didn't want the Lakers Warriors in Round one because that
would have been I just I think neither of us
wanted to see one of those teams eliminated. You might
you hate the Lakers, but otherwise a lot of us
want to see the Lakers and Warriors play as long as possible.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
For the record, for anybody who's just listening, you know,
Jeff is a sensitive Laker fan. I could have just
said he's a Laker fan, and you would have gathered
that he's a sensitive Laker fan, because that's how they're guilty.
But he thinks I hate the Lakers. I just hate
their front court because they don't have one. They have
Jackson Hayes. That's the end of the list with their
front court right there. So I just don't like this.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I'm I have backed off. I take a little bit
of them being the Thunder. I'm slightly concerned about that,
but I think they get to the Western prof Final.
I don't think that's actually much of a concern.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I'll tell you what, if it is Lakers v. Thunder
in the Western Conference Finals, it is going to be
the Thunder doing the people's elbow on the forehead of
the Lakers all series long. That is, if that does happen,
that's gonna be fun. But hey, back to the play
in because I still have more ammunition.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Now.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
You're a football guy, Jeff primary right, like we both are.
We've got football top of the list. We love hoops,
we love other sports, but football is king. Nobody said
this about the college football Playoff. That was the first
year it was expanded. This past season, we had twelve
teams in the College Football Playoff. It'll probably be seventy
eight by next Tuesday, but that's another story. We had
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twelve teams, right, Nobody after it was just blowout city
left and right. The first round, Penn State crushes Who
was it it was?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I can't even remember. It was who's the team SMU?
That's right, as SMU was throwing pick sixes like.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
You just hit them out like candy over there.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, that's brutally.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
But Tennessee got crushed by Ohio State. Of course, my
Irish took care of business against IU. I. You didn't
stand a chance against a true powerhouse, right, Jeff. But
the point is nobody was whining about the first round
of the college football playoff. It's just blow up blah
blahuh blohu. It was worse than the play in tournament.
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We had three blowouts in four play in tournament games
so far this season. In basketball, no one was saying, oh,
this college football playoffs expansion, it's dumb.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
What are we doing? What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
We're wasting our time these teams competing here, these away teams.
There's no way SMU can win a title. There's no
way that IU and Tennessee. No one was saying that.
So I don't understand why it's all venom. It's a
very popular take that the playing tournament in the NBA
is no good. It's like if you don't like basketball,
don't watch Like no one's forcing you to watch these games.
(08:30):
If you don't want to watch Anthony Davis and Klay
Thompson last night, don't I will.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
If you don't want to see John Morant do this.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Cool backboard move where he basically throws an alley up
to himself off the backboard, don't watch Warriors and Grizzlies
was a great game. I just don't understand why people
are really annoyed by more basketball.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's like no one's forcing you to watch this.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Well, I mean I am forced to gamble on it,
which unfortunately I feel way look look again. To be fair,
I have had a different tank on culturable Playoff. I
have said I didn't I didn't go hard because I
feel like afterwards saying I didn't want this system as
pointless because I argued against it. I mean same with
the portal.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Look.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I argued against open portal for years, and I thought
the exact situation would happened in cultural is happening now, Like,
why would I continue just to tweet about portal sucks.
I just I get to a point where I just said,
like I've lost my argument because I have lost about
playoff expansion. We're about fourteen teams pretty soon. I lost, Brian.
I don't like it. I don't think it's necessary. Eight
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teams I think will be perfect. I think I thought
the BCS was fine, so whatever. I mean, maybe I'm
a weirdo like that. I think I think some down
overtime in the NFL regular season's fine too, So I'm fine.
I'm fine with a lot of these things, just being
shorter and being done with. And yes, you're gonna get
good good playing the Warriors. Uh uh, Memphis game was
(09:56):
was good. I think I think Mavericks and Grizzlies are
going to be good. I we'll be honest with you, Brian.
I might not watch a second of heating Hawks. That
game interests me zero percent. But Mavericks Grizzlies, that's gonna
be good. That would be a good game. I'll give
you that. And then look, you get the right to
get to get swept by Oklahoma City, so that should
be a fun contest.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I know they're just gonna celebrate like this is awesome.
We're in the playoffs. Oh we get okay, See that's awesome,
that's great. I think this is what it boils down
to last thing here. For anybody who's like, oh, the
play in tournament, here's the question, if it were up
to you, and be as honest as possible, would you
keep the playing tournament or would you get rid of
it and just go back to the way it was
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where the top eight teams from each conference make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I would absolutely keep it. I think it's good for basketball.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Okay, I guess I maybe should have done a little
more research on this before I I how often are
we getting so right now? Like in the West, right
the Warrior for the seventh seed. If Memphis wins, their
the eight seeds. So that's basically how the regular seasons finished. Okay,
the magic one is the seventh seed in the East.
If the Hawks beat the Bulls, then it Hawks beat
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the Heat, then you have seven to eight again in
the post How often are we getting the ninth or
tenth team ending up in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, that's a good question, Like how often has the
play in tournament changed the order of like the seven
and eight seeds right, Like this happened before, but how
often I'm not sure. I'd have to do a little
bit of digging there, but it does happen.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yeah, So I mean that that'd be curious to see it. Look,
I think the Mavericks have a legitimate opportunity here. Everyone's healthy, right,
and when they're healthy and ads in the lineup there,
I think they're seven and three now with everyone together.
After that win last night, they looked very good last night.
I thought they would they would win that game. Look
that they win, they're the ten seed. It would be interesting.
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It's Oklahoma City, right, you know you got I guess
they'd be the eight seed. Excuse me, you're a d
and Tiger. You got a chance to make it interesting.
I think in a couple of games, rather than I
think Memphis just gets blown out, right, do we agree
on that? It's probably four not in Oklahoma City if
they play Memphis. But Dallas could maybe win a game
at home maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
They have a play maybe maybe Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Talented players to make it happen one game in Dallas.
So again, I am different because of I thought the
same thing about the Cultural World playoff e spanning and
after those games, again, I'm not complain about them, because
what's the point that's at this moment I can complain
about it to you now, because this is still still
new and it happened last night.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I just I'm cool with it, man, I think this
I'll put it this way. Just because we had three
out of four blowouts, I don't think that's what we're getting.
That's the only thing we're getting going forward with the
playing in tournament. You know, granted there have been some
blowouts and some like yawners this year. It doesn't mean
that every single year of the playing tournament it's gonna
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be nothing, but that you don't have to go back
that far where Lebron and staff are in the playing
tournament and Lebron's hitting a big shot after he got
clabbered in the face and then he's theatrical and he's
like I was shooting at the middle hoop right that.
You know, It's like, okay, Lebron, all right, you can
see fines.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Settled down there.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
But I'm just telling you it was a close game,
dramatic outcome.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Like I'm not trying to sell you that this.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Is the best thing in the world, but I'm here
to tell you that it's not the worst thing ever.
And some people are making it sound like this is dumb.
This is a total waste of time.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Where are we.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Even doing this? And it's I think it's just prisoner
of the moment. It's prisoner of the moment. Take one
oh one, and uh, I'm not here for it. Jeff Schwartz,
Long story short is what I'm telling you right here.
But hey, good news. We don't just have basketball on
the docket here today. We've got ball ball of course,
me football. Any rational thinking human being knows that we
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got the.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Draft right around the corner.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
We got all kinds draft, that's right, one week from today.
We are finally within range of it actually happening. You know,
I feel like we've been looking at this thing for
so many months where you're like, my gosh.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's like three months away.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Though you know it's one week away, so we'll get
to all the draft stuff. Also, this this has been
one wild ride and there could be many, many more.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
He's Jeff Schwartz, I'm Brian Know.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
We're in for Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
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Speaker 5 (14:41):
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Speaker 3 (14:55):
It is Fox Sports Radio. I'm Brian, No, he's Jeff Schwartz.
We're in for two pros and a cup of Joe
live from the Tireck dot Com studios. So our guy, quarterback,
Nico Yama Leava, looks like he's probably gonna head to UCLA, right,
former Tennessee quarterback. And it's not official yet, but they're
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making lovey dovey eyes together. Right, Nico is kind of
like batting his eyes. Ucla is returning the favor, like,
oh yeah, I'm kind of interested in each other. Looks
like that's probably where he's gonna end up, Jeff, And
there are a lot of layers to this right where
it seems like he upped his asking price, wanted a
new nil deal, some something with more cash at Tennessee.
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Tennessee said you threw nineteen touchdown passes last season. No,
we're not doing that. We're not like doubling your paycheck.
So he hit the portal and looks like he's gonna
end up at UCLA. I'm curious where you initially start
to think about this as an ex player, because I'm
very pro player on this one. Where look, just like
the NFL, even if you have some sort of nil
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agreement in place, if you outperform your agreement and you've
got leverage and you want to sit out and force
the hand of the school, the nil collective.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
What have you to get more cash? If you've got
the leverage and you take.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Advantage of it, I really don't have a problem with it.
It turns out Nico he's not the guy that had
that leverage that could force his hand and get the
more money. But other players will have that leverage, and
just like the NFL, Hey, if the NFL can cut you,
I don't have a problem with you holding out for
more money when you outperform your contract. It's just Nico
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wasn't the guy to do that in college.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
So the reason why this is such a big deal
is a couple of things, but mostly just because we
haven't had this situation happen in college football yet. Whereas
you mentioned, this is a pro model. Right A player
is being paid X amount of money and there have
been players that have that have asked for more money. Uh,
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but they're you know, they're linebackers, they're running backs, and
they just get you know, they get what's called processed, right,
they get that that's what collegeable coaches call basically cutting players.
They process them out of their of their building now.
And it's just done quietly, right, It's just done quietly.
But because it's a quarterback, and because Nico's deal was
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the first one in the new world that felt just
very paid for play, right. So so an il Na
age likeness was originally designed and you knew immediately it
would be abused, but it was a really designed for
a player to market themselves, okay, and make money. So
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you know, Fox Sports Radio is is wants to hire
to hire Jeff Schwartz as a college offensive lignment from
Oregon to do a couple of radio spots locally Eugene.
There's a Fox Sports Radio and Eugene. And you get
paid a thousand dollars to do it, and it might
be more than you would make otherwise, but you know,
you get you go to a car dealership or your
local eatery. And that's the way it was designed to be.
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And of course the system would be abused. Almost immediately
came a situation where you'd be pay for play, right,
where a team says, hey, man, we'll make you sign
those autographs. We'll give you two mill dollars a year
to do so, you know, And Nico's was so loudly expensive, right.
The reported asking price was eight million dollars at the time, right,
And they ended up being confirmed to be correct. And
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so there was already that those eyeballs to a situation
at Tennessee because of those numbers. And then the story
comes out that he wanted more money. Now they will
tell you. His side will say no, no, no, we don't
want more money. And this is where I think that
just be honest with us, because the reasons that his
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side is giving for this breakup. Our Tennessee's offense does
not prepare their son for because it's mostly from the
parents side, right, who are his agent. He doesn't prepare
our son for the NFL. And so two things here
that are are silly. One is that the reason why
the offense didn't work last year is your son didn't
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play well enough. Okay, so that's that's a that's that's
the reason why. But two, have you watched any of
the college offenses around the country, like Shad Dear Sanders
plays in a horrific offense in Colorado. It is so
poorly designed. Does not matter. You know, we've seen players
go go from air ran offenses. We've seen players get
drafted with no wide receiver help. We've seen we've seen
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all these players get drafted with no offensive line help
with The college offenses are terrible. There there there are
college offenses that are Jackson Dart for example. Okay, at
Old Miss probably probably will be a first round pick.
His offense is like ninety seven percent exagering a little
bit of course, our p packs. It's not a pro offense, Brian.
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It doesn't matter if it matters how the quarterback plays
and then the talent that you can project off of
that play to the NFL. So I just wish they
would own it, Brian and just be like, yeah, we
want more money. It didn't work out. Oh well it's
a pro model. We're leaving.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, And I don't know why both schools. Schools are
at least ahead of this, Like Ryan Day last year,
will openly say hey, we need more money. If you
want to sign these players, we need a lot more cash.
The schools will openly talk about. At least the coaches
will openly talk about needing more money for a legit
roster fueled by nil. I don't know why the players don't.
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It's still like this outdated thought of not us. We
weren't asking for more money. It's like, you can, it's legal.
What's the problem Like if you're holding out for more cash,
which you clearly were, what's the problem with saying, yeah,
we were doing it. We overestimate the market. I guess,
I don't know. We thought it would be okay, wasn't okay.
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We're picking ourselves back up. But there's nothing wrong with
asking for more money. But these these kids are like, no,
not us, I would not ask for Why Why are
you hiding behind a clear lie of course you were
asking for more cash.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
I think it's it's it's it's sort of twofold here, right,
it's still a sort of taboo for players to openly
ask for money. It's all done behind the scenes, right, Also,
do these collectives? You know a lot of states have
like laws shielding the capability to learn about these deals, right,
even because there's you know, there's talks about a register,
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which I don't necessarily agree with but you know, you'd
register all your deals, and I think you actually have
to within double a but it's very secretive and what
you actually get, you know, same with like you know
NFL deals, right, like the agent says what it is
and you realize, you know, Stefan Diggs three years, seventy
million dollars, it's like actually a one year idea for
twenty million, Like, I mean, part of it is that too,
(22:04):
But I think the kids, there's still a large section
of college football fans that have a problem with the
market dictating what the price for these players are. Look,
is paying a high school quarterback to mill dollars a
year a lot of money? Yeah? I think it is.
But it's not my money, right Brian. And that doesn't
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affect my life at all. If Oregon, I'm an Organ
fan or you're an Irish fan wants to pay you know, CJ. Carr,
Dante Mora two quarterbacks two millars a year, who cares?
It's not my money, I'm I it's it's it's a
it's a booster's money. And and then I think the
other interesting part about this whole situation is so July one,
twenty twenty one is when the Supreme Court essentially allowed
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players to make money. Okay, the first year for the
first year Confortable starts in twenty twenty one, that year
was traditional and I deals that we saw, and then
obviously the pay for play. So we're basically into year
four this summer of the pay for play structure that
we have right now, and the money is flowing. Man,
those guys are making those backups are getting six figures
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at Power five conference and powerful conference schools. Like it's flowing.
Guys are making money. And the question I always had
about this process, and I think we're starting to see
it with Nico. This might change the tide of things.
That's the way. Maybe why players don't want to talk
about the money's much because I want to try to
keep it as quiet as possible, is that at some
point I thought, and we're stoking this is a situation
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here where these money, the people that donate the money,
they want a return on investment. Now it's a different
return on investment than obviously putting in the stock market,
because you know, these are billionaires that their toy is
their college football program. They love, you know, and they're
trying to win championships and they have the money to
help the program do that. They want prestige, They want
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access to the program, right, and you get access to
the program through paying the players and whatnot. Okay, fine,
but the return on investment on some of these deals,
to me, was never going to happen. It was going
to get to a point where boosters are like, I mean,
I have the disposed of income, but I really want
to spend two monos on quarterback that it doesn't win
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us enough games. And I think we're seeing that here too,
where Tennessee's and Boosters are like, a, NA, We're good.
And I wonder if it has a trickle down effect
to some other places that are paying players too much
money and the boosters say, the return of investment is
just not there. We're scaling back on how much we
invest in the players.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah. Well yeah, there could be a ripple effect on this.
I think that some of it. We always talk about
quarterback deals in the NFL resetting the market, right, We're
always talking about that, like, oh, Dak Prescott just got
an extension, he reset the quarterback market, so on and
so forth. I think this could sort of reset the
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quarterback market to a degree in college football. At least,
you're going to have to have players that put up
better numbers, are more productive, and then if they want
to pull a Nico and hold out for more cash,
then they might reset the market. But with him holding
out and Tennessee giving him the Heisman stiff arm, you know,
like that does, at least for now, reset the market
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as of right now. I just think, listen, it's one
of these deals where there are some unintended consequences with NIL. Obviously,
when it comes to college sports, I think that's the
least they can do. These players are bringing in so
much money in college football and they're not seeing a
dime of it. They're just making a buck off their name,
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image and likeness. That's the least they should be able
to do.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Now.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
It does lead to some unintended problems, but you think
about these agreements with the NIL, between the school or
the collective and the player. It's sort of these handshake
deals where it's like, yeah, we'll pay you X amount,
and well, if the player underperformed, maybe UNLV just doesn't pay.
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At least that's according to Matthew Sluka. Remember the guy
who left there and it's like, well, what happens if
the collective just doesn't make good on what they promised
really nothing. What happens if the player outperforms the expectations
and holds out for more cash, Like there are a
lot of people that are banging the table for more legislation.
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And it's like, look, this happens in the NFL all
the time. You have these legally binding contracts and players
still hold out from more cash. Teams still cut players
left and right. Even if you had more uniformed quote
unquote contracts in college football, you can still have these
things happening. So I don't know, Man, it's the wild
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West right now, and I think the unintended consequences for
a lot of people, it turns into you know what,
I knew it was gonna bring be a problem when
these players started making money, and it's like that's what
they deserve and is gonna have to deal with some
of the unintended consequences.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I think about. It's like, what what what problem is
it one player and one school have a disagreement, Like
I think that And the thing about like these situations too, Brian,
is it's still very new. Right July first of this
year will be four years since this was even allowed,
and obviously it took a couple of years to get
the system in place. Is that the market tends to
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correct itself, like we'll get to a certain point where
I think the money gets reduced a little bit. Like
for example, it's reported that the number one kid in
the country, Bryce Underwood, quarterback right signed with Michigan. Okay,
reporting got like ten million dollars whatever over three years
because three years he hopes to play three years if
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he does not live up with expectations the next mission,
quarterbacks not getting ten million dollars. Like, the market will
set it up, but it has to take multiple contracts
to get there. Now you mentioned that I think is
really interesting about this process is the honoring of the contracts, right,
and you know, this is such a fresh process, and
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this is why people want a little bit of oversight,
and I would disagree with there being congressional oversight in
the situation, but there really is nothing is nothing to
protect the players if the school and the collective breaches
their contract because it's not collectively bargained. It's not like
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the NFL or NBA or NHL or baseball that has
a players association each player is individually negotiating, and yes
they might have representation, their parent might be their rep.
But the schools don't honor and they could certainly sue.
I think I think there's a lawsuit out right now
with another quarterback. He sued the school and collective, right, Jenruar.
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I think it is Jener Rashada, I believe who did
that with Florida. But there really is is and that
I think is where the process could be helped, right,
is to have the players maybe have a little better
representation in in this in this process. But I don't
think it should be from Congress. I would hate if
hunger was got evolved in brewing the whole thing. But
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then you have state laws that what supersedes what There's
be a lot will be lossuits for years and years
and years on that if that were to happen. So nonetheless,
the market will correct itself, in my opinion, and it
will well, we'll have a system in a couple of years.
I think that's that's running pretty well, and I'm not
saying that's running poorly.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Now.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Again, this is this is one instance. Of course, there
are other instances, but I we we see, we see
far in my opinion, far more players whose system benefits right, uh,
then doesn't and those players we see it right now. Look,
the portal has its own flaws, but you know the
spring portals open for for college football, and you know
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there's a lot of players that are getting there are
gonna be getting a lot of pay raises, right that
all right? At group of five schools that that that
deserve its opportunity to play at the division. I've seen
there the as you want to shove me the power
four level, Brian, that may make more money, and the
system is working out pretty well for everyone, but the
Tennessee quarterback. I think it's fine. It'll be, it'll be.
It's not a referendum on the whole system. It's one
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player who wanted out, who wanted more money, and this
is part of life. Like I don't feel sorry, people say,
I don't feel sorry for Nikoch. He's made a lot
of money. It's a good life. Lesson, right, you thought
you had leverage, You didn't have leverage. Oh well, if
you go to UCLA and the same thing happens again,
maybe he thinks twice about being so public about wanting
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to leave. You know, there's reports that he tried to
do this during collegeble playoff preparation. And this is where
there's a fine line I think between now where you
get into the football part of this, Brian, that I'm
so curious about the locker room here because I would
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nil became the way we did college football. You know
a lot of people that were against it and said,
what about the locker room? Guy? What about the locker room?
Have the players gonna feel when they're getting paid more
than other guys? I'm like, so you don't have to
say about the NFL with the NBA, or we won't
like these guys give a little bit of credit for
being a little maybe more mature that we give him
credit for. But you know, players understand where they fit
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on the hierarchy. Like, I'm you give a little bit
of credit here, Brian. Right, Like if if the backup
right guard of Tennessee has pissed Negle's making a lot
of money, well that's the backup right right guards problem, right,
No one else's the problem. But when you start asking
for more money and you haven't earned the right to
do that, and then you start sitting out of practice,
which you just missed one practice and you're start doing
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so loudly about it. I'm sure that there was a
whiff of like, hey man, Nile's out here trying to
get more money to the culture will playoff. The locker
room is not going to like that though. They're not
going to like that, you know, because now you're not
really for the team, you're for yourself. And again, if
he played, if he won the Heisman, ask for money,
everyone'd be like when the locker room, Yeah, they touch
your money, bro, go get it. That's not what happened, right,
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So I'm curious how much it matters. And this in
since the locker room.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, no, there's certainly a time and place aspect to this.
If you're all of a sudden using your leverage gearing
up for a college football playoff game, that's where it's like,
whoa dude, really, This is a little bit of a
different situation here.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
But that's the where this starts is.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
And this is how I fundamentally think of nil real
fast Jeff is think of college sports similar to music. Okay,
let's say you and I, Jeff, we're in a hot
EDM band, right, like, you're very into this, as we should.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yes, we're very very popular.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
We're selling out arenas left and right, but we don't
see a dime of that money. You know, the NCAA,
they swoop in, they get some cash. The school that
we've we got, we go to right, they get cash.
We don't see a dime. We're selling out arenas left
and right. We don't get any of that money. The
least we can do is sell some T shirts and
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some CDs and whatever we can sell off of name,
image and likeness. That's the least we can do. I
don't see anybody that would push back on that.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
That's just obvious.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
You should probably be getting a cut of the money
that you generate with selling out those stadiums and arenas
and all that. But okay, fine, we don't see a
dime off of that. You should at least be able
to make some money off of your name, image and likeness.
That's what's happening in college sports. It's exactly what's happening
in college football. And does it lead to some problems
like the band thing, if we're not splitting the revenue equally,
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and hey, I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Jeff's the lead singer.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
He thinks he should make a sixty percent of our
nil cut and I should only make like twenty because
I play the tambourine and what am I really doing it?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
And it leads to some infight.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Okay, it's not gonna be perfect, but fundamentally you should
be making some money because you're bringing all of this
money in and not seeing a cut of it. So
where it goes from there, I think you just have
to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Some of these.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
College football fans who've been fans for years where we
never had to deal with any of this stuff, they
just look at it like, oh my gosh, here we
go again with money and holdouts and they're making how
much money?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
And this is where we're at.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
The last thing I'll say before we got to go here,
you mentioned something that I that I've argued for years. Okay,
So if you're a scholarship athlete or you're a scholarship musician, okay,
you're both at the same school. Previous to the system.
The scholarship musician can make money on their name aage
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likeness while they are on a full scholarship at the university.
Right they can go play a venue, They can go
make money on YouTube or on social media, post the
clips themselves saying a football player is not allowed to
do that, which which said silly, right, Like a football
player on the same scholarship, right, same ride, you getting
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the same benefits from the university. One is making the
university money like one's and and one is just on
a music scholarship because they're supremely time both supremely talented individuals.
The musician was allowed to earn a living outside of football,
outside of the scholarship, where football player was not. That
to me felt always backwards.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, no, it is. It's completely backwards. But that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
They have some some kinks to work out, for sure,
but fundamentally, I absolutely back the players should be making
some money and this is just a minor portion of
what they're bringing in, you know, so you're gonna have
to deal with some headaches along the way. It's gonna happen,
but tough. I will never go back to Hey, you know,
we should go back to the pre nil model, Like,
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no way, that's the that's the bare minimum of what
they should be getting.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
And also some problems, but it's the way it goes.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Also helps absolutely will which makes us like it more little, I.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Think, Yeah, no doubt, all right, He's Jeff Schwartz, I'm
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That should say, yeah, right, They had to turn it
down a little bit, but it's just so obvious. They're like, hey,
let's get this song in the movie here, and you know, yeah,
you're all over that movie.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Good music because you know, I don't know if there's
any there's no there's no grunge bands, right, So I
think that's a perfect perfect soundtrack.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
I mean, obviously it could use a little more metal,
and it's dieing.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
What scene would be metal? Just them murking everyone? That
would be like the metal scenes.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Oh oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yeah, maybe when they're getting hit in the forehead with
baseball bats in the cornfield over there.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
What would be the what would be the ultimate would
be the song you would choose for that?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
For that gosh, the endless possibilities right there, just just you.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Lay probably be a good one.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
I saw I saw a clip of an ending on
TikTok the other day, and I was thinking to myself, like,
won't be the worst ways to die? I think being
beaten with a baseball bat and then thrown into its
still alive. That was that's certainly, that's certainly up there.
Like I was thinking of head about what would be
the I was like, that's that's gonna be one of them.
That's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, part that might actually be that might be top
of the list right there. Man, that's I don't want
to get too grim, but you're watching your brother my gosh,
maybe it'd be.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Worse than that.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
But let me get to this here, Jeff. So, the
Time one hundred was released yesterday. What is the Time
one hundred? What Time magazine? They released their list of
the top one hundred most influential people of twenty twenty five.
Why this is being released in April is beyond me.
Is the top one hundred most influential people of twenty
(38:38):
twenty five? Why is this not in December? Is my
first question? But anyway, there are six athletes on this list.
One of the athletes is NFL quarterback Jalen Hurts, freshop
Super Bowl win with the Eagles, Jeff, he is listed
in the icon section here. He's with Demi Moore. We
(38:59):
got Eagles QB Jalen Hurts. Now the other athletes on
this list. We've got Serena Williams, tennis legend and entrepreneur.
We've got Olympic gymnast Simone Biles. We've got Olympic swimmer
Leon Marshall. Right, we've got w NBA stars the FISA
Collier and Brianna Stewart who co founded the unrivaled league.
(39:20):
So we're talking about influential people. I get that it
makes some sense here. But think about Jalen.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Hurts, who Kaylen Clark's on the list.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Caitlin is not on the list.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Jeff, Oh, look, it's spent hours on the w NBA,
which is that? What?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Who are the other errors here?
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Otani's got to be on the How could O'tani not
be on this list with all the.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
He was hit a ball out of the stadium last night?
I mean, isn't Patrick Mahomes still more influenced? Yes, I
don't think that's a solution, right, Like isn't No? Yeah, Look,
Jalen Hurts obviously, what an incredible story. I think we're
all rooting for hers. He's fantastic. I'm a Chiefs guy.
(40:06):
I'm rooting for her. Hurts seems like the best person,
like a great leader, right, great person. He is influential,
but he doesn't have the national even to the marketing
of Patrick Mahomes or like, I don't right, Mahomes like
is like a multiple business owner sports team owner in
Kansas City. I don't really, I don't know. I don't
(40:27):
know what the I would.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Also throw in the list, how about Luca? Luca gets traded.
That's all we've been talking about he's the first non
American to lead the NBA in jersey sales this season.
I think Luca's got to be on that list too,
but hey, whatever coming up next. Actions speak louder than
words
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