July 7, 2025 • 41 mins
Brian Noe & Geoff Schwartz are in for the guys and talk about analyst and former WNBA coach Carolyn Peck walking back her comments saying that the Indiana Fever are 'more dangerous' without Caitlin Clark, why sports leagues AREN'T hypocrites for disciplining athletes for betting on sports, and more!
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
Oh what is going on? Welcome in, Happy Monday to you.
I hope your day is starting off in great fashion.
The Schwartz syndicate good to be with you here, everything
good with you on a Monday morning, bright and early.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Good morning. Today is the day my kids go to
camp for a month.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
And it's always a weird feeling because you know, having
a break from your kids essentially, right, it's very good
for a marriage and for a relationship, right. It's good
to have like some some free time and sometimes just
to like, you know, enjoy being with your spouse. If
you enjoy your spouse. If you don't, I'm probably not
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probably not a great month. But Brian, you realize, like
after two days your kids being gone, you're like, yeah, okay,
I need the kids back. Like you, your life is
so at least mine, I'm sure a lot of parents feel, say, wait,
just you know, my kids will be eleven and nine
pretty soon, so you know, everything is all All the
days are revolving around their schedules, their sports. I love.
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My favorite thing in the world is watching them plus sports.
I mean, so the sports schedules and everything else. And
after a couple of days, you're like, uh, okay, it's
been nice, but like I want my kids back. And
we know though the kids love camp. They love it, dude,
Like they wouldn't say that they didn't love it. They
have the best time there. They come back every year
(02:01):
and are like, I want to go back next year,
like immediately, like they're they love it. So it's a
it's always a weird day when we send them off,
and you know, you kind of get a couple of days.
You will probably go to dinner tonight with my wife.
We don't know want lots. I went to dinner like
in Charlotte, in our hometown by ourselves. Probably probably been
a while, so you know, we do stuff like that.
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But it's always a bittersweet day because the kids really
enjoy it, but you do end up missing them. You
can't talk to them for a month, so no community
can you can write them letters.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, that's pretty wild. Wow, it's uh, we're back to
the you know, the pre phones era. Yeah, pre cell phones,
like pre any like house phone era. You know, it's wild.
I like that throw back.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
We get a we get like an email with a
letter they've scanned that My kids will write, like they
write as letters maybe once a day every other day.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You do telegrams. They should really take it back, you
know they should.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Well, what they do is we write them letters and
they print them out and give them to the kids
sort of like a telegram. That's lunch. Yeah, so what
they do. We can write them a letter like like
we we write a digital letter. They print them off
and give them to the kids at lunchtime. And then
you can also send them a card, a physical like letter.
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But the problem is it doesn't always arrive with with
the with the mail system, like on time or with
any sort of purpose. The kids can write us letters,
they will scan them an email to us, and we
do send them with some stationary and they will my
son will take a picture of his cabin. We give
them these little polaroid cameras as mini polaroid cameras. They
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will take pictures and send it to us. But they
sometimes arrive in weird times. But it's yes, it's like
old school times. No phone, there's writing letters. They do
post pictures that we get to see, which is nice.
Every day, so we do get to see them like
enjoy themselves. But yeah, we packed to like Giant there's
military duffel bags of stuff and on their way this
(04:01):
morning at better o'clock.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
You know, it's funny because real fast I saw. I
was just looking at the WNBA schedule. Yeah, you know,
I'm writing down the odds and you and I we
compare notes all the time with WNBA bets. And I
saw that tomorrow on Tuesday, the Chicago Sky played the
Washington Mystics at eleven thirty am Eastern time. I'm like,
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what in the eleven thirty eight that's eight thirty in
the morning here on the West coast, you know, I'm like,
what are they doing? And I looked it up and
it's a designated camp day game. It's one of these
these day games where it's it's originated by sports leagues
to accommodate like school field trips and other youth groups.
(04:45):
Is the deal here? So I thought of your kids
going to camp.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Interesting and then so they this is a day basically
so local Washington d C Day camps. Well said there,
this is like a day that can the game.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Apparently it's at least meant for that, you know, and
maybe some you know sikos like us that live in
the DC area, we call off work and we go
to the game and start betting on it, you know.
But it's meant for the kids and the camps and
all that. That's what it's intended for.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
First half under, I'm not about that right now.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Em start Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Sure college basketball game twelve yeah, twell twelve nude under
just just just full roll under yeah, absolutely, wow. Yeah,
you mean look, uh, you know, I will I will
have to mention because I think it's important cause I
thought about this week. I mean, what happened in Texas
is horrific, and you know, with my kids go to camp,
you know that camp in in in Texas. I can't
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even imagine the pain of that loss. So if you
have the means to donate and help people, that'd be
that'd be very nice. I mean, you have the same
message when it came to the hurricane in North Carolina
where I live, and the fires in California. We've had
a lot of of wals generational weather issues. But I
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you know, I just I can't imagine the paying those
parents are going through. I thought i'd mentioned that just
if you have the means to donate, I'm sure that
would be very appreciated. But yeah, I mean, the the
kids camp thing, this is it's not a West Coast thing, Brian, Like,
I grew up in California, and I have friends obviously
from that area, and and the camp thing is an
East coast thing like it. It really is all not
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all our friends, but a lot of our friends go
sleep boy camp here. I just never experienced that as
a kid. I think I went to one weekend camp.
Look one time.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I don't remember going to camp ever, I'm not sure
that I did. I don't know if it was a
thing when I was growing.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
We have tons of friends that that do it, and
they're I mean, obviously in the Northeast, there's a ton
of camps. You know, a lot of the Jewish camps
up there, which my kids are going to a Jewish
kid it's nice because you know, for us, like you know,
it's it's good for them to be around other Jewish kids, right.
I know that they around Jewish kids for Hebrew School
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that we go, but just have a month around you know,
the kids is great, and you know they just they
do the water sports and they do like the horseback riding.
And I just signed a tree climbing waiver for my
son to climb a tree. I guess they have to
protect themselves and he falls down.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
But I will tell you real fast man. Like it
wasn't a camp, but for some reason, we were like
we were in the forest and we were my dad
was like, hey, like grab this vine and you can
just like swing around on these vines. And I went
teeth first into a like an oak tree and slid
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down whatever tree it was, buying my teeth. I don't know.
I was a tiny kid at the time. I just remember,
you know, face planning into this tree because my dad
wasn't big on like precautions and things like that. And
I'll never forget my dad. You know, I've just got
bark in my mouth all over the place, and he
(08:02):
he's like, hey, come here, come here. He takes his
pocket knife out and he's just jamming this pocket knife
in my mouth, trying to like wedge these shards of wood,
like all this wood out of my two front teeth.
I was like, ah ha, it's just coming at me.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
It was.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
It was crazy, But yeah, I feel like we'd very
different dads.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
He was more of a do it yourself dad, like
I'm not trying to pay for when I can do
it myself. He's one of those kind.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Of oh yeah, well my family is certainly not was
not that way. But look at us, we're doing radio
together so many years later. But it's so yeah, it's
it's a it's a nice it's a nice day of
the shorts household go off because they're excited. And it's
also we're dinner tonight. We have a Monday night dinner date.
I'm going forward to it very good.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
All right, So I want to dive in real fast
to this Carol and Peck, what would just not really
an apology, It is a clarification. Okay. So Carolyn Peck,
former college basketball head coach, former WNBA head coach, she
works for ESPN right now. She also does the Aces
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games out here in Vegas, where she's a color commentator,
so she covers the WNBA. And so she was on
SportsCenter last week and she had some original comments about
Caitlin Clark. She needed to clarify those statements with a
tweet yesterday, a couple of tweets, and it read, I
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did not say Caitlin Clark is not valuable, all right,
So let's pause right there. So Caitlyn Clark, she does
have an army of fans, and it's a rowdy bunch, right.
It does remind me a bit Jeff of remember that
Tim Tebow army of fans, oh yeah, or the Lamar
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Jackson army of fans early on, especially in his career
when he was doubted.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah, how about your boy Tua. The Tua non people.
They're intense fan base.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
They can get a little bit vocal right there. So
these fan bases, they'll come after your kneecaps if you
say anything halfway critical about their favorite athletes. So Carolyn
Peck heard from the Caitlyn Clark army of fans. She
heard from a lot of them, and so she felt
the need to clarify her statements. So we have to
start with the original statement. Okay, Jeff, this was last Thursday,
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the Fever they crushed the Vegas Aces and this is
what Carolyn Peck had to say after the game on
Sports Center. These were her original statements. Check this out.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Look, I think that Indiana is even more dangerous when
Caitlyn Clark doesn't play because she's a ball dominant guard.
The ball's in her hands a lot, so you know
what you need to try to take away. But when
you look at Indiana now, they've got so many weapons.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Okay, So Fever, according to Carolyn Peck, more dangerous without
Caitlin Clark. Okay, so she heard from a lot of
Caitlin Clark fans. And before we get to the clarification,
first off, jeffs it's a terrible take. This is a
prisoner of the moment take. The Fever had won three
straight games. It was knee jerk city. Now all of
(11:21):
a sudden, they're more dangerous without Caitlin Clark. They've got
a losing record. Without Caitlin Clark, They're four and five.
They lost the next game to a five and thirteen
LA Sparks team and it's just such a small sample size.
We're talking three games here, Like, really stretch that out
and say, I don't know, over the next three years,
do you really think the Fever are more dangerous without
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Caitlin Clark? Of course not. It's a silly take. It's
a bad take, and that's why she's trying to clarify
or walk it back.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
But it seems like either people that cover the sport
are trying to go viral with some of the things
they're saying, or I can't really explain, Like, you know,
it's hard to explain this because it's it's not it's
not that you know, there's there's more eyeballs to the
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which which there is. I mean, that shouldn't be the
reason why these comments are happening. But you know, when
the Packers last year were without Jordan Love, they won
two games with with with Malik Willis. No one got
on to Sports Center, NFL Network, our show, any show
on something, our show Sunday, and we're like, you know, what,
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the Packers are better without Jordan Love. No one said that, No,
and and no one would say that about about o
Tawani being out, even though it's kind of a different sport,
or or Lebron not playing the Lakers winning three games
in a row, no one would say that. But yet
multiple people, not just her, have come out and said
they're better without Caitlin Clark. And I don't mean hatred
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or probably the wrong war. I don't think Carolyn Peck
hates Caitlyn Clark. But obviously she was sitting on this
take for a while, like she's been wanting to say this.
You know, don't come up with this on top of
your head like she's analyt She's a professional. She's had
this take sibbering Brian for a while. And why why
is she? Is she upset about the attention Clark gets.
You think she's overrated. That's probably what it is. But
(13:18):
I don't get why that would come out of your
mouth that way when you know it's not true. She
knows it's not true. She's not she's not She's a
w NBA coach and analyst. She knows what she's saying
is not true.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I would hope she knows that. I just think she
just got caught up in the moment. Really, That's what
I think it is. Because you go back the pace
the fever were big underdogs and the Commissioner's Cup against
the lynksy and they go out and they smack the
Links around, links can't score. They went over eight minutes
in the second quarter, didn't score a point. It was crazy.
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And then the next game against the ace Is the
Fever smacked them around too, And I think Carolyn Peck
is like, wow, man, I think they're more day. I
think she just got caught up in that moment, is
really what it was. But listen to how she tried
to clarify her original statement. So she tweeted this yesterday morning,
Sunday morning. She got up bright and early and was like,
(14:12):
you know what, I gotta try to clarify. These Carolyn
Clark fans are killing me right now. So she wrote,
I did not say Caitlyn Clark is not valuable. She's
a great player for those who only see Caitlin. I
was complimenting the rest of the team. The Fever have
several weapons. Yes, they lost last night. They have lost
games with her respect to the whole Indiana Fever team.
(14:36):
So that's the first part. I think she just sometimes
the explainers are bad at explaining, Jeff. It's one thing
if you say Hey, even without Caitlin Clark, who's their
best player. Obviously, the Fever are still a tough team
to deal with. If you say that, that makes sense.
But saying oh they're more dangerous without Caitlin Clark, that
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just lands so much differently, And that's why it matters
what you say. Specifically. She just stepped in it with
her original statement.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
You know her second tweet, So I said a second
tweet that hour.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Later, Yeah, that's the good one. The next tweet, what
do you think about this? So go ahead? Yeah, she
just wrote. As a coach, if you have ever prepared
a scouting report, scout the Fever with and without Caitlyn,
what do you have to take away in both scenarios?
They are different. One is not easier than the other,
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just different. There is a lot of talent on that team. Okay,
so if there's no different, they're just different, right, what's
that harder than the other? How do you explain this statement?
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Look, I think that Indiana is even more dangerous when
Caitlyn Clark doesn't play.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Oh my gosh, right, Like we're just backtracking. This is
what's going on, right, That's what it is. We're just
backing up the original comments and it's Homer Simpson backtracking
into the bushes behind. You know, that's what we're doing
at this point.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I watch a lot of basketball. You watch more than me.
You watch it about I played basketball. I played high
level AU basketball as a kid, like I have. You know,
I watched on basketball. I know the sport. I don't
know it as well as I can't tell you what
all the plays that they're running whatnot, not like football,
but you know I watch it enough, right, I watched
a lot of Fever games. I like watching Kark play Brian.
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Teams don't guard her like just matter right, Like they
picked her up full court in the All Star Game
last season. So when you prepare for Clark, you prepare
for her. They are doubling her, trapping her, they are
bringing picking up full court. She is the entire game
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plan and she's able to get the ball down. The
turnovers are a problem. I think we all agree on that.
I think sometimes that teammates need to catch the ball,
but she does try to do it thing a little
bit too. I think she has to realize sometimes like
teammates just can't are going to catch those basses and
you kind of not throw them. But the fact is
when yeah, they are different to prepare for. When you
prepare for Clark, your entire game plan is about her.
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When you prepare when she's not there, you probably try
to take away you know, some of the action to
Boston or you know, some of the mid range Kelsey shots,
But you're not preparing for a player in that sense. So, yeah,
they are different. One of them is very clearly Clark
is the best player on this team. We need to
prepare to take her away. So I don't clarifying the
(17:33):
comments yet. You're right about that, But I watched a
basketball I see what's happening when you when your entire
game plan is to take away one player. That lets
me know how you feel about that one player.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, no, it's it's exactly on point. And that's the thing, man,
Its just it doesn't make sense if your original statement
is the Fever are more dangerous without Caitlin Clark, that's
the original statement, they're more dangerous without her, And then
the clarification is, hey, scout the Fever with and without Caitlin,
they're just different. One is not easier than the other,
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just different. It's like you're completely contradicting the original point.
Like it's just it didn't make sense. It's a bad take,
and you just got to take the l I think
sometimes instead of like clarifying and the clarification makes no
sense whatsoever when you compare it to the original statement.
Sometimes you got to come out and say, hey, listen,
what I really meant to say was this. I did
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a bad job stating that, And that's it's easier to take.
It's like, we're not perfect. Sometimes you don't say things
perfectly when you're live and just going off the dome,
you know, And she didn't do that, she did a
bad job.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I think it's it's hard because you know, the media
and the attention that's coming to the sport is obviously
very new, right, And yeah, and I.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Think you could get away with this years ago, correct.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
I think you know, people are trying to either get
their name out there with I'm not say Compact's doing
this exactly, other people I think are And you say
things on sports and are like this, and you're going
you're gonna get caught like like you you can't just
get away with say, you know three years ago, it's
say you say, is no one even noticed, and and
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there are an army of fans that I think are
very intense when it comes to Kaitlyn Clark that think
that she's treated unfairly. And I'm not sure unfairly is
the wrong word. I think hard fouls and the attention
to your and that's that's part of the of the sport, right,
you know? Should the league protect her? I don't know
what that means exactly. I again, I watch on the
Fever games. She's not officiated the way other superstars are
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efficient other basketball. But the w a b A is
not like women's college basketball. It's not like the NBA
are called it's it's a different sport. It's just played differently,
it's officiated differently. And so I don't think she'd be
should be protected either. So it's just kind of like,
you know that the Fever fans are tense for that reason, right,
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they think that she should be treating like someone else.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Here's somebody else coming out after her.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah, but the league, there's something with the league just
I don't know, they haven't embraced her like other sports
embraced superstars. Is that to me feels very obvious. I
don't know if you feel the same way.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, I get it, I totally get it. But it's
also I'm not gonna get caught in a moment. I
like the Malik Willis comparison, Right, Yeah, nobody's dumb enough
to be like they're they're actually more dangerous with this
backup quarterback. Nobody thinks like that. Come on, it's like,
and Jordan Love isn't, you know, like star, Like he's
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not a star in the NFL the way Caitlin Clark
is a star in the w NBA. And yet no
one would say that about about Jordan Love if he's
on the shelf for a couple of games, like, hey man,
they might be better off without him getting healthy. They
just run the ball a lot more with Malik Willis.
It's silly.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
It's it's silly, and and and it's it's just the
attention of the league is getting us great. But you
would think the way that Karen Peck is talking about her,
that Kieren corks averaging eighteen points probably right, eighteen, eighteen,
six and nine, So eighteen points, six rebounds, nine assists.
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And this is after her three worst games. I would
imagine her entire life one for twenty three from the
three point line. You put in five more of those,
and you know, I mean six six for twenty three
is not great either, but now you're averaging nineteen and
a half points. It's it's just and we only look
at her turnovers, and I get it, there are a lot,
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and then it almost six a game. It needs to
be down to probably four. But when you look at
the NBA, look who leads the league in turnovers, Jokic, Lebron,
Steph Curry. Now, of course Trey Young put number one
kick Cunningham. Like, if you have the ball in your
hand a lot, you're going to lead the league in turnovers.
That's just what it is. And again I take I
(21:58):
look at how the NBA is covered and college basketball
is covered, and we never talk about that except for
Trey Young. Essentially, right, Trey Young's a high volume guy.
He's had the ball in his hands. There's a lot
of turnial issues. We don't talk about that anywhere else. Yet,
for some reason, the obsession over turnover to knock Caitlin
Clark down, it's not something we ever talk about in
(22:19):
other basketball And again it's it's the discourse about the
WNBA is just different than other ags, and you have
to even the injeuries rebound anything. She's been playing great
for five games in a row. She's been putting in
sixteen and sixteen yesterday again, But we don't I don't
recall anyone talking about NBA players and their rebounding, and
(22:42):
we talk about Angel recent her rebounding like I just
it's a it's a We talk about scoring points most often,
right the rebounding thing like she does a great job
of it, there's no doubt about it. And she's playing
great the last five weeks after slow start this there
five games season, But we talk about it in a
way that we just don't talk about rebounding in other
in other basketball leagues. It's interesting how this. You know,
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people that cover the league and talk about the legue
and tweet about the league, they focus on things that
just we don't focus on other basketball leagues.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Well, I'll say real fast, because we're crush. We are
doing the people's elbow to the clock after you know,
camp talk and me with tree Bark, you know, we're
way late. We're amateurs at this point. But real fast,
while we're talking about it, it reminds me a little
before the last NFL season. Remember last off season, the
(23:32):
Bills general manager Brandon Bean, he was defending the quarterback
Josh Allen because people were saying he's the most overrated player.
And Brandon Bean was like, what are you people talking about?
And he's basically making the point there are far more
good plays than bad plays with Josh Allen at quarterback.
And I feel the same way about Caitlin Clark. Does
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she turn the ball over? Yeah? Does she miss some threes?
Absolutely are the things you can be critical of. Yeah.
But to make it sound like there's more bad than good,
like she's bringing more bad to the table than good
for the fever, it's a joke. It's so stupid. I
don't know why we're talking about it like that. We're not,
but there are a lot of people out there that are.
It's craziness, all right. Coming up next, It's popular to
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say that this is hypocritical, but it's dead wrong to
make those statements. We'll dive into that. He's Jeff Schwartz,
I'm Brian No. We're in for two Pros and a
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He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm probably know we're in for two
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You know, Jeff, there's something I gotta get off my
chest here. Okay, So there are a couple of investigations
going on in MLB and the NBA. So there is
(25:44):
an MLB investigation into Cleveland Guardians pitcher Louise Ortiz. All right,
there were some there's some shady betting activity, and so
they're looking into a couple of pitches. You could bet
on the first pitch of an inning, will it be
a ball? And so there was some suspicious betting activity
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with a couple of these instances, and he's just bouncing
these pitches. So it's like, all right, they're investigating that.
There's also a federal investigation into NBA player Malik Beasley.
There was some suspicious betting activity. They're looking into it
was he providing information that he shouldn't have been. Was
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he trying to, I don't know, cover the spread or
do some suspicious things with its prop bets. So they're
investigating these things. And when it comes to this, I'm
sure you've heard it. I've heard it many many times.
You'll hear people say these leagues are so hypocritical, and
I want to yell with a megaphone, no, they're not.
(26:52):
Like they have partnerships with sports betting companies and then
they punish players for betting on sports that might seem hypocritical.
It's not hypocritical, like just because the NFL, NBA, MLB,
whatever it happens to be, because they have partnerships with
sports books, that doesn't mean that the players can just
bet on any sport they want, including the sports that
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they play. There are still rules here. So to act
like that's hypocritical, it doesn't make sense to me. You
don't think the same way when it comes to alcohol companies, right, Yeah,
like there are alcohol partnerships between leagues and those companies.
That doesn't mean that the players can just drive drunk
and get away with it. It doesn't mean because I
(27:35):
don't know the NBA has a partnership with michelob Ultra
or whatever it happens to be, that a power forward
can just shotgun beers and team meetings and he's like,
you can't do anything to me.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I mean, you got this.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Partnership over, you still have rules. It's not hypocritical to
still enforce the rules that you have even though you
have those partnerships.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
So the alcohol one is the one I always refer
back to when it comes to discussion, right, because you know,
if a player drives drunk, which is obviously they should
never do, right, And and there's an unfortunate accident or
they get arrested, or there's a d u I. You know,
no one always everyone always says, well, the player's responsibility
right to to make sure that they get home safely. Uh,
(28:17):
they set up a car ride for the you know,
car service themselves, they Uber. But then when a player
gets caught gambling, it's the gambling company's responsibility for them
to No, it's not right. It's you're an adult. There
are rules set in place. You have to follow the rules.
Drinking and driving is illegal because the NFL is in
bed with or has deals with, you know, beer companies,
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doesn't mean you're allowed to do that, right, That doesn't
mean that there's undue influence on players to drink. I
always see when there's you know, the Ortez report came out,
you know, there's always be replies on social media saying like,
brought to you by fandom, brought to you by DraftKings.
And I'm like, well, when there's a DUI, that is
(29:01):
they brought to you by bud Light. No, no fan
says that, right, and they say it's the players responsibility.
I'm like, it's the same thing here, it's the it's
the now you you can say all these things are
true about these two stories, right, they're different for why
the player we think was gambling, but that the legal
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sports wagering has made it easier and more readily available
player props, right for players that they're playing in a game,
to wager on them or against them. That was not
available and Bright, I'm not I'm sure you were wagering
before legal sports wagering became allowed. You know, those websites
very rarely offered a big menu of player props, and
(29:45):
they might have a starting pitcher player prop, or they
might have a you know, Lebron James a special, but
finding something on Ortiz every first pitch of thirty was
not available, right, Finding player props on Malik Beasley was
probably not available every night. O. Now they're more available. Okay,
that's true. So those markets are able to be taking
(30:05):
advantage of if you, if you would like to, and
so the players would not be doing these things if
it wasn't available to them. But also because it's available,
there are checks and balances put in place. We talked
yesterday on our Sunday show with With with Ben MGM's
leading trader, right, and we asked him this question. He goes, yeah, look,
(30:26):
I see every wager that comes in. I can tell
if there's an abnormal wager immediately, and I go through
the process of alerting everyone about the wager and let's
investigate the wager. So you know those are both you
know they go hand to hand. Right, we have local
sports wagers. We also have checks and bounces put in
place for these instances. And I thought about Ortiz yesterday, right,
(30:47):
so they wager on two first pitches in two different
games of an inning. I found it yesterday, a market
on one of the sports books for the first pitch
of an inning. And I was watching the Indian, the
Guardians and Tigers player was watching Scoobal pitch yesterday, first
pitch of the game. Brian right down the middle ball
calling the ball clearly a strike, clearly a strike like
(31:09):
scoop bol was like, uh, this gold turn to bunt
And I was like, if you had first I mean
first pitch strike was probably laying one point fifty, right,
I mean Scoobl's pitching. And I can imagine the anger
of someone who bet on this market, but it's also
a very small market, like you're just not gonna get
(31:30):
this market, uh, and put that a lot of money.
So the artist thing is fat the be the same
thing seems like he was in a lot of debt
and needed the money for to get out of debts.
The artist thing, I don't I don't get the purpose
of it because you're not making a lot of money
betting on the first pitch of an inning. So that one,
(31:51):
I'm very curious to see what the investigation fishing. And lastly,
the reason why sports leagues are so harsh on punishing
people that gamble on their sport the way, it's way
more harsh than anyone that's committed you know, domestic violence,
right a dui, Yeah, it's more because correct and you
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don't want to watch a baseball game where the tons
of baseball on today and think to yourself, these players
are not playing for the competition of the game. They're
playing because they're trying to throw an inn or throw
or throw in a bat or miss a shot or
football is almost impossible to fix it. And but like
drop a pass, you know, like you want everyone to
(32:39):
watch the sport knowing the players are in it for
the competition of the game, and so that's why they're
so harsh on it. E Otis will be We'll get
a lifetime ban if they find out he was part
of this one hundred percent, and he will deserve that.
Just don't do it, Like, don't do it. There's no
there's no outcome that ends with you being profitable as
a player participating in gambling.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Well, I would hope there have been enough stories and
enough investigations and enough punishments, you know, like John tay
Porter is banned for life, and now we have another
investigation with Malik Beasley. We'll see what happens with Louise Ortiz.
But I would hope that professional athletes, now Jeff would
look at this and it really dawns on them, like
(33:25):
if I go down this road, I am literally gambling
with my career here, you know, because a lot of
these guys, I'm sure if Malik Beasley did anything improper
or Louise Ortiz did anything improper, and I don't know
that for sure, let's just say they did. I'm sure
they went about it thinking I'm not gonna get caught.
You're thinking like that, like who's gonna find this out?
(33:46):
You know, but you really have to think about I'm
gambling with my career here, they're monitoring this stuff so
closely that if anything pops up and it raises a
red flag, they're gonna start sniffing around. They're gonna start
in investigating, and if they can connect dots or somebody
talks or what have you, my career could be over.
You have to look at it like that. You are
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literally gambling with your career. If you're trying to doctor
your props or you're trying to bounce a pitch and
cash in on that ball first pitch on the top
of the third, like, you gotta think you're gambling with
your career. And the other thing I think of is
I think to a lot of people, there are a
lot of people Jeff, that they just don't embrace sports betting.
(34:29):
That's fine, they're not gamblers, they don't go down that road.
And now they're having to hear about it day in
and day out. So if you're one of those people
and you're like, I don't even do it, I don't
care about it. And all I hear now is are
they gonna cover the spread? I don't care about the spread?
(34:50):
Is the game gonna go under? I don't care about
under overspread? There are a lot of people like that, Yeah,
and now that you're hearing, hey, there's another player being
invest to get it, there's this other player. There's another
of this, there's another that they're thinking. I didn't have
to hear about any of this stuff before sports betting
became legalized. And so there are a lot of people
(35:12):
that think like that and they're over it. Man, they've
been over it. So to them, I could see how
it seems like, Man, this whole thing is just off
the rails. It didn't used to be like that. But
really what it is, it's the checks and balances working
out where you don't get away with this.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I mean, you talk about analytics either launch angle and yeah,
and you know, all of a sudden VELO and EPA
and DVOA. I mean, and people sort of have the
same reaction over that, right. I Mean the thing about
that I just find so fascinating about the way we
talk about me and you. But the way that people
(35:51):
that don't like gamblin talk about it or is that
like they pretend that gambling just started five years ago,
right like that? That people just I mean, there's there
are announcers, play by play guys that we have always
talked about for years before that, like like Michaels and
obviously Musburger who started a gambling media company. But Al's
(36:16):
always been like very famously like you pro spread over
the years, and so you know, it's it's been talked
about just quietly, now can we talked about in the
open and a lot of and I think I don't
even realize personally that there are friends, are people I
meet that gamble on sports. I just had no idea,
(36:36):
like I just there's a lot of people that do
it and casually a couple of bucks here and there.
They're not like me and you. They're not you know,
texting about w NBA games and looking for edges and those.
But I just bet the underdogs that that seems to
be a good edge right now. And in the center
playing the fever, those are two w A edges. Uh
(36:57):
all three dogs cover again yesterday, man, dogs are covering
at a high rate in the w BNBA right now,
dogs are parking and a lot of people are gambling.
So it's just it's being talked about. And if you
don't like it, I don't know what to tell you.
You don't know how to help you feel better about
it other than I watch other stuff where people talk
about things. I just ignore it. I don't know what
that's I just ignore it.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, it's not going to be catered to your exact liking.
It'd be like someone saying, why do I have to
hear about the NFL all day every day? It's like,
have you seen their ratings? But that's why. And to
your point, sports betting is just gonna get bigger and bigger.
It's as big as it's ever been and it'll be
bigger at this time next year. So you're gonna hear
about it quite a bit. So it's like, hey, I'm
(37:39):
sorry if you don't love it, it's not your cup
of tea, but buckle up because it's not going anywhere, right.
That's the way it is, all right. Coming up next, Jeff,
I'd like to suggest a brand new prop bet that
I'm pretty sure does not exist. I'll throw it your way.
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(39:11):
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How twove providing a little insurance there. Late they smacked around.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Lauh, they really did. I was watching one of the
games the other day. I didn't I mean I was
watching the Rockies Astros game and that series. You know,
ow two Bays played a lot of baseball. I didn't
realize that. Yeah, he has twenty three hundred hits.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, that's crazy. He's been around for a long long time.
And what was the story? And that's what fuels the booze.
Remember when the Astros were cheating and lying, and remember
when they tore his jersey off and he is like
trying to like shield himself, like no, no, no, don't
take my jersey. He was not allowing them. And remember
(40:03):
Carlos Korea was like because he got a bad tattoo,
that's what it was. He was like, no, no, no,
my bad tattoo. It's like, is that what it was?
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Astro?
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Is that really what was going on? Or is there
something else going on there.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
I'm looking at I think, but probably has the most
hits for any active player. Is that is that sound
about right?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
It could be?
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I don't know, all right, I'm looking right now on
the all time hit list. I think I think he does.
Someone will be like this guy's forty two still playing
once a week. I'm oh, Freddy Freeman might have more
by a couple hits.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Guessing there's least Yeah, Freddy.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Freeman has more about thirty more hits in him. But
Freddy Freeman is there's the most hits for any active player. Wow.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
By the way, what do you think about this, Jeff,
I've got an idea for a brand new prop bet.
I'm not sure if this exists or not, but I'm
guessing it doesn't. If it does, it certainly not labeled this.
So you know they have the Grand sele Lommy bets.
Yeah right, it's just like total points, Like think of
an NFL Sunday, like total points in Week five or whatever.
(41:08):
You bet the over or the under. What do you
think about this? For strikeouts instead of the Grand Salami bet,
the Grand k Lommy bet. What do you think about
you can bet on overall strikeouts for an entire day
of baseball.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
You know that you can't have that right now? There's
no no one offers that we.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Shouldn't know market you should have a grand k Lomby bet.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
We should make it, We should make it a market.
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
We would have cashed on the over yesterday for sure,
on the strikeouts,
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
Oh what is going on? Welcome in, Happy Monday to you.
I hope your day is starting off in great fashion.
The Schwartz syndicate good to be with you here, everything
good with you on a Monday morning, bright and early.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Good morning. Today is the day my kids go to
camp for a month.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
And it's always a weird feeling because you know, having
a break from your kids essentially, right, it's very good
for a marriage and for a relationship, right. It's good
to have like some some free time and sometimes just
to like, you know, enjoy being with your spouse. If
you enjoy your spouse. If you don't, I'm probably not
(01:19):
probably not a great month. But Brian, you realize, like
after two days your kids being gone, you're like, yeah, okay,
I need the kids back. Like you, your life is
so at least mine, I'm sure a lot of parents feel, say, wait,
just you know, my kids will be eleven and nine
pretty soon, so you know, everything is all All the
days are revolving around their schedules, their sports. I love.
(01:40):
My favorite thing in the world is watching them plus sports.
I mean, so the sports schedules and everything else. And
after a couple of days, you're like, uh, okay, it's
been nice, but like I want my kids back. And
we know though the kids love camp. They love it, dude,
Like they wouldn't say that they didn't love it. They
have the best time there. They come back every year
(02:01):
and are like, I want to go back next year,
like immediately, like they're they love it. So it's a
it's always a weird day when we send them off,
and you know, you kind of get a couple of days.
You will probably go to dinner tonight with my wife.
We don't know want lots. I went to dinner like
in Charlotte, in our hometown by ourselves. Probably probably been
a while, so you know, we do stuff like that.
(02:21):
But it's always a bittersweet day because the kids really
enjoy it, but you do end up missing them. You
can't talk to them for a month, so no community
can you can write them letters.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, that's pretty wild. Wow, it's uh, we're back to
the you know, the pre phones era. Yeah, pre cell phones,
like pre any like house phone era. You know, it's wild.
I like that throw back.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
We get a we get like an email with a
letter they've scanned that My kids will write, like they
write as letters maybe once a day every other day.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You do telegrams. They should really take it back, you
know they should.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Well, what they do is we write them letters and
they print them out and give them to the kids
sort of like a telegram. That's lunch. Yeah, so what
they do. We can write them a letter like like
we we write a digital letter. They print them off
and give them to the kids at lunchtime. And then
you can also send them a card, a physical like letter.
(03:18):
But the problem is it doesn't always arrive with with
the with the mail system, like on time or with
any sort of purpose. The kids can write us letters,
they will scan them an email to us, and we
do send them with some stationary and they will my
son will take a picture of his cabin. We give
them these little polaroid cameras as mini polaroid cameras. They
(03:39):
will take pictures and send it to us. But they
sometimes arrive in weird times. But it's yes, it's like
old school times. No phone, there's writing letters. They do
post pictures that we get to see, which is nice.
Every day, so we do get to see them like
enjoy themselves. But yeah, we packed to like Giant there's
military duffel bags of stuff and on their way this
(04:01):
morning at better o'clock.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
You know, it's funny because real fast I saw. I
was just looking at the WNBA schedule. Yeah, you know,
I'm writing down the odds and you and I we
compare notes all the time with WNBA bets. And I
saw that tomorrow on Tuesday, the Chicago Sky played the
Washington Mystics at eleven thirty am Eastern time. I'm like,
(04:24):
what in the eleven thirty eight that's eight thirty in
the morning here on the West coast, you know, I'm like,
what are they doing? And I looked it up and
it's a designated camp day game. It's one of these
these day games where it's it's originated by sports leagues
to accommodate like school field trips and other youth groups.
(04:45):
Is the deal here? So I thought of your kids
going to camp.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Interesting and then so they this is a day basically
so local Washington d C Day camps. Well said there,
this is like a day that can the game.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Apparently it's at least meant for that, you know, and
maybe some you know sikos like us that live in
the DC area, we call off work and we go
to the game and start betting on it, you know.
But it's meant for the kids and the camps and
all that. That's what it's intended for.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
First half under, I'm not about that right now.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Em start Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Sure college basketball game twelve yeah, twell twelve nude under
just just just full roll under yeah, absolutely, wow. Yeah,
you mean look, uh, you know, I will I will
have to mention because I think it's important cause I
thought about this week. I mean, what happened in Texas
is horrific, and you know, with my kids go to camp,
you know that camp in in in Texas. I can't
(05:44):
even imagine the pain of that loss. So if you
have the means to donate and help people, that'd be
that'd be very nice. I mean, you have the same
message when it came to the hurricane in North Carolina
where I live, and the fires in California. We've had
a lot of of wals generational weather issues. But I
(06:04):
you know, I just I can't imagine the paying those
parents are going through. I thought i'd mentioned that just
if you have the means to donate, I'm sure that
would be very appreciated. But yeah, I mean, the the
kids camp thing, this is it's not a West Coast thing, Brian, Like,
I grew up in California, and I have friends obviously
from that area, and and the camp thing is an
East coast thing like it. It really is all not
(06:28):
all our friends, but a lot of our friends go
sleep boy camp here. I just never experienced that as
a kid. I think I went to one weekend camp.
Look one time.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I don't remember going to camp ever, I'm not sure
that I did. I don't know if it was a
thing when I was growing.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
We have tons of friends that that do it, and
they're I mean, obviously in the Northeast, there's a ton
of camps. You know, a lot of the Jewish camps
up there, which my kids are going to a Jewish
kid it's nice because you know, for us, like you know,
it's it's good for them to be around other Jewish kids, right.
I know that they around Jewish kids for Hebrew School
(07:04):
that we go, but just have a month around you know,
the kids is great, and you know they just they
do the water sports and they do like the horseback riding.
And I just signed a tree climbing waiver for my
son to climb a tree. I guess they have to
protect themselves and he falls down.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
But I will tell you real fast man. Like it
wasn't a camp, but for some reason, we were like
we were in the forest and we were my dad
was like, hey, like grab this vine and you can
just like swing around on these vines. And I went
teeth first into a like an oak tree and slid
(07:41):
down whatever tree it was, buying my teeth. I don't know.
I was a tiny kid at the time. I just remember,
you know, face planning into this tree because my dad
wasn't big on like precautions and things like that. And
I'll never forget my dad. You know, I've just got
bark in my mouth all over the place, and he
(08:02):
he's like, hey, come here, come here. He takes his
pocket knife out and he's just jamming this pocket knife
in my mouth, trying to like wedge these shards of wood,
like all this wood out of my two front teeth.
I was like, ah ha, it's just coming at me.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
It was.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
It was crazy, But yeah, I feel like we'd very
different dads.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
He was more of a do it yourself dad, like
I'm not trying to pay for when I can do
it myself. He's one of those kind.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Of oh yeah, well my family is certainly not was
not that way. But look at us, we're doing radio
together so many years later. But it's so yeah, it's
it's a it's a nice it's a nice day of
the shorts household go off because they're excited. And it's
also we're dinner tonight. We have a Monday night dinner date.
I'm going forward to it very good.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
All right, So I want to dive in real fast
to this Carol and Peck, what would just not really
an apology, It is a clarification. Okay. So Carolyn Peck,
former college basketball head coach, former WNBA head coach, she
works for ESPN right now. She also does the Aces
(09:15):
games out here in Vegas, where she's a color commentator,
so she covers the WNBA. And so she was on
SportsCenter last week and she had some original comments about
Caitlin Clark. She needed to clarify those statements with a
tweet yesterday, a couple of tweets, and it read, I
(09:35):
did not say Caitlin Clark is not valuable, all right,
So let's pause right there. So Caitlyn Clark, she does
have an army of fans, and it's a rowdy bunch, right.
It does remind me a bit Jeff of remember that
Tim Tebow army of fans, oh yeah, or the Lamar
(09:56):
Jackson army of fans early on, especially in his career
when he was doubted.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah, how about your boy Tua. The Tua non people.
They're intense fan base.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
They can get a little bit vocal right there. So
these fan bases, they'll come after your kneecaps if you
say anything halfway critical about their favorite athletes. So Carolyn
Peck heard from the Caitlyn Clark army of fans. She
heard from a lot of them, and so she felt
the need to clarify her statements. So we have to
start with the original statement. Okay, Jeff, this was last Thursday,
(10:31):
the Fever they crushed the Vegas Aces and this is
what Carolyn Peck had to say after the game on
Sports Center. These were her original statements. Check this out.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Look, I think that Indiana is even more dangerous when
Caitlyn Clark doesn't play because she's a ball dominant guard.
The ball's in her hands a lot, so you know
what you need to try to take away. But when
you look at Indiana now, they've got so many weapons.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Okay, So Fever, according to Carolyn Peck, more dangerous without
Caitlin Clark. Okay, so she heard from a lot of
Caitlin Clark fans. And before we get to the clarification,
first off, jeffs it's a terrible take. This is a
prisoner of the moment take. The Fever had won three
straight games. It was knee jerk city. Now all of
(11:21):
a sudden, they're more dangerous without Caitlin Clark. They've got
a losing record. Without Caitlin Clark, They're four and five.
They lost the next game to a five and thirteen
LA Sparks team and it's just such a small sample size.
We're talking three games here, Like, really stretch that out
and say, I don't know, over the next three years,
do you really think the Fever are more dangerous without
(11:44):
Caitlin Clark? Of course not. It's a silly take. It's
a bad take, and that's why she's trying to clarify
or walk it back.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
But it seems like either people that cover the sport
are trying to go viral with some of the things
they're saying, or I can't really explain, Like, you know,
it's hard to explain this because it's it's not it's
not that you know, there's there's more eyeballs to the
(12:13):
which which there is. I mean, that shouldn't be the
reason why these comments are happening. But you know, when
the Packers last year were without Jordan Love, they won
two games with with with Malik Willis. No one got
on to Sports Center, NFL Network, our show, any show
on something, our show Sunday, and we're like, you know, what,
(12:34):
the Packers are better without Jordan Love. No one said that, No,
and and no one would say that about about o
Tawani being out, even though it's kind of a different sport,
or or Lebron not playing the Lakers winning three games
in a row, no one would say that. But yet
multiple people, not just her, have come out and said
they're better without Caitlin Clark. And I don't mean hatred
(12:57):
or probably the wrong war. I don't think Carolyn Peck
hates Caitlyn Clark. But obviously she was sitting on this
take for a while, like she's been wanting to say this.
You know, don't come up with this on top of
your head like she's analyt She's a professional. She's had
this take sibbering Brian for a while. And why why
is she? Is she upset about the attention Clark gets.
You think she's overrated. That's probably what it is. But
(13:18):
I don't get why that would come out of your
mouth that way when you know it's not true. She
knows it's not true. She's not she's not She's a
w NBA coach and analyst. She knows what she's saying
is not true.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I would hope she knows that. I just think she
just got caught up in the moment. Really, That's what
I think it is. Because you go back the pace
the fever were big underdogs and the Commissioner's Cup against
the lynksy and they go out and they smack the
Links around, links can't score. They went over eight minutes
in the second quarter, didn't score a point. It was crazy.
(13:51):
And then the next game against the ace Is the
Fever smacked them around too, And I think Carolyn Peck
is like, wow, man, I think they're more day. I
think she just got caught up in that moment, is
really what it was. But listen to how she tried
to clarify her original statement. So she tweeted this yesterday morning,
Sunday morning. She got up bright and early and was like,
(14:12):
you know what, I gotta try to clarify. These Carolyn
Clark fans are killing me right now. So she wrote,
I did not say Caitlyn Clark is not valuable. She's
a great player for those who only see Caitlin. I
was complimenting the rest of the team. The Fever have
several weapons. Yes, they lost last night. They have lost
games with her respect to the whole Indiana Fever team.
(14:36):
So that's the first part. I think she just sometimes
the explainers are bad at explaining, Jeff. It's one thing
if you say Hey, even without Caitlin Clark, who's their
best player. Obviously, the Fever are still a tough team
to deal with. If you say that, that makes sense.
But saying oh they're more dangerous without Caitlin Clark, that
(14:57):
just lands so much differently, And that's why it matters
what you say. Specifically. She just stepped in it with
her original statement.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
You know her second tweet, So I said a second
tweet that hour.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Later, Yeah, that's the good one. The next tweet, what
do you think about this? So go ahead? Yeah, she
just wrote. As a coach, if you have ever prepared
a scouting report, scout the Fever with and without Caitlyn,
what do you have to take away in both scenarios?
They are different. One is not easier than the other,
(15:31):
just different. There is a lot of talent on that team. Okay,
so if there's no different, they're just different, right, what's
that harder than the other? How do you explain this statement?
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Look, I think that Indiana is even more dangerous when
Caitlyn Clark doesn't play.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Oh my gosh, right, Like we're just backtracking. This is
what's going on, right, That's what it is. We're just
backing up the original comments and it's Homer Simpson backtracking
into the bushes behind. You know, that's what we're doing
at this point.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I watch a lot of basketball. You watch more than me.
You watch it about I played basketball. I played high
level AU basketball as a kid, like I have. You know,
I watched on basketball. I know the sport. I don't
know it as well as I can't tell you what
all the plays that they're running whatnot, not like football,
but you know I watch it enough, right, I watched
a lot of Fever games. I like watching Kark play Brian.
(16:26):
Teams don't guard her like just matter right, Like they
picked her up full court in the All Star Game
last season. So when you prepare for Clark, you prepare
for her. They are doubling her, trapping her, they are
bringing picking up full court. She is the entire game
(16:49):
plan and she's able to get the ball down. The
turnovers are a problem. I think we all agree on that.
I think sometimes that teammates need to catch the ball,
but she does try to do it thing a little
bit too. I think she has to realize sometimes like
teammates just can't are going to catch those basses and
you kind of not throw them. But the fact is
when yeah, they are different to prepare for. When you
prepare for Clark, your entire game plan is about her.
(17:10):
When you prepare when she's not there, you probably try
to take away you know, some of the action to
Boston or you know, some of the mid range Kelsey shots,
But you're not preparing for a player in that sense. So, yeah,
they are different. One of them is very clearly Clark
is the best player on this team. We need to
prepare to take her away. So I don't clarifying the
(17:33):
comments yet. You're right about that, But I watched a
basketball I see what's happening when you when your entire
game plan is to take away one player. That lets
me know how you feel about that one player.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, no, it's it's exactly on point. And that's the thing, man,
Its just it doesn't make sense if your original statement
is the Fever are more dangerous without Caitlin Clark, that's
the original statement, they're more dangerous without her, And then
the clarification is, hey, scout the Fever with and without Caitlin,
they're just different. One is not easier than the other,
(18:05):
just different. It's like you're completely contradicting the original point.
Like it's just it didn't make sense. It's a bad take,
and you just got to take the l I think
sometimes instead of like clarifying and the clarification makes no
sense whatsoever when you compare it to the original statement.
Sometimes you got to come out and say, hey, listen,
what I really meant to say was this. I did
(18:26):
a bad job stating that, And that's it's easier to take.
It's like, we're not perfect. Sometimes you don't say things
perfectly when you're live and just going off the dome,
you know, And she didn't do that, she did a
bad job.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I think it's it's hard because you know, the media
and the attention that's coming to the sport is obviously
very new, right, And yeah, and I.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Think you could get away with this years ago, correct.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
I think you know, people are trying to either get
their name out there with I'm not say Compact's doing
this exactly, other people I think are And you say
things on sports and are like this, and you're going
you're gonna get caught like like you you can't just
get away with say, you know three years ago, it's
say you say, is no one even noticed, and and
(19:11):
there are an army of fans that I think are
very intense when it comes to Kaitlyn Clark that think
that she's treated unfairly. And I'm not sure unfairly is
the wrong word. I think hard fouls and the attention
to your and that's that's part of the of the sport, right,
you know? Should the league protect her? I don't know
what that means exactly. I again, I watch on the
Fever games. She's not officiated the way other superstars are
(19:35):
efficient other basketball. But the w a b A is
not like women's college basketball. It's not like the NBA
are called it's it's a different sport. It's just played differently,
it's officiated differently. And so I don't think she'd be
should be protected either. So it's just kind of like,
you know that the Fever fans are tense for that reason, right,
(19:55):
they think that she should be treating like someone else.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Here's somebody else coming out after her.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah, but the league, there's something with the league just
I don't know, they haven't embraced her like other sports
embraced superstars. Is that to me feels very obvious. I
don't know if you feel the same way.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, I get it, I totally get it. But it's
also I'm not gonna get caught in a moment. I
like the Malik Willis comparison, Right, Yeah, nobody's dumb enough
to be like they're they're actually more dangerous with this
backup quarterback. Nobody thinks like that. Come on, it's like,
and Jordan Love isn't, you know, like star, Like he's
(20:33):
not a star in the NFL the way Caitlin Clark
is a star in the w NBA. And yet no
one would say that about about Jordan Love if he's
on the shelf for a couple of games, like, hey man,
they might be better off without him getting healthy. They
just run the ball a lot more with Malik Willis.
It's silly.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
It's it's silly, and and and it's it's just the
attention of the league is getting us great. But you
would think the way that Karen Peck is talking about her,
that Kieren corks averaging eighteen points probably right, eighteen, eighteen,
six and nine, So eighteen points, six rebounds, nine assists.
(21:13):
And this is after her three worst games. I would
imagine her entire life one for twenty three from the
three point line. You put in five more of those,
and you know, I mean six six for twenty three
is not great either, but now you're averaging nineteen and
a half points. It's it's just and we only look
at her turnovers, and I get it, there are a lot,
(21:35):
and then it almost six a game. It needs to
be down to probably four. But when you look at
the NBA, look who leads the league in turnovers, Jokic, Lebron,
Steph Curry. Now, of course Trey Young put number one
kick Cunningham. Like, if you have the ball in your
hand a lot, you're going to lead the league in turnovers.
That's just what it is. And again I take I
(21:58):
look at how the NBA is covered and college basketball
is covered, and we never talk about that except for
Trey Young. Essentially, right, Trey Young's a high volume guy.
He's had the ball in his hands. There's a lot
of turnial issues. We don't talk about that anywhere else. Yet,
for some reason, the obsession over turnover to knock Caitlin
Clark down, it's not something we ever talk about in
(22:19):
other basketball And again it's it's the discourse about the
WNBA is just different than other ags, and you have
to even the injeuries rebound anything. She's been playing great
for five games in a row. She's been putting in
sixteen and sixteen yesterday again, But we don't I don't
recall anyone talking about NBA players and their rebounding, and
(22:42):
we talk about Angel recent her rebounding like I just
it's a it's a We talk about scoring points most often,
right the rebounding thing like she does a great job
of it, there's no doubt about it. And she's playing
great the last five weeks after slow start this there
five games season, But we talk about it in a
way that we just don't talk about rebounding in other
in other basketball leagues. It's interesting how this. You know,
(23:04):
people that cover the league and talk about the legue
and tweet about the league, they focus on things that
just we don't focus on other basketball leagues.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Well, I'll say real fast, because we're crush. We are
doing the people's elbow to the clock after you know,
camp talk and me with tree Bark, you know, we're
way late. We're amateurs at this point. But real fast,
while we're talking about it, it reminds me a little
before the last NFL season. Remember last off season, the
(23:32):
Bills general manager Brandon Bean, he was defending the quarterback
Josh Allen because people were saying he's the most overrated player.
And Brandon Bean was like, what are you people talking about?
And he's basically making the point there are far more
good plays than bad plays with Josh Allen at quarterback.
And I feel the same way about Caitlin Clark. Does
(23:52):
she turn the ball over? Yeah? Does she miss some threes?
Absolutely are the things you can be critical of. Yeah.
But to make it sound like there's more bad than good,
like she's bringing more bad to the table than good
for the fever, it's a joke. It's so stupid. I
don't know why we're talking about it like that. We're not,
but there are a lot of people out there that are.
It's craziness, all right. Coming up next, It's popular to
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He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm probably know we're in for two
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You know, Jeff, there's something I gotta get off my
chest here. Okay, So there are a couple of investigations
going on in MLB and the NBA. So there is
(25:44):
an MLB investigation into Cleveland Guardians pitcher Louise Ortiz. All right,
there were some there's some shady betting activity, and so
they're looking into a couple of pitches. You could bet
on the first pitch of an inning, will it be
a ball? And so there was some suspicious betting activity
(26:06):
with a couple of these instances, and he's just bouncing
these pitches. So it's like, all right, they're investigating that.
There's also a federal investigation into NBA player Malik Beasley.
There was some suspicious betting activity. They're looking into it
was he providing information that he shouldn't have been. Was
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he trying to, I don't know, cover the spread or
do some suspicious things with its prop bets. So they're
investigating these things. And when it comes to this, I'm
sure you've heard it. I've heard it many many times.
You'll hear people say these leagues are so hypocritical, and
I want to yell with a megaphone, no, they're not.
(26:52):
Like they have partnerships with sports betting companies and then
they punish players for betting on sports that might seem hypocritical.
It's not hypocritical, like just because the NFL, NBA, MLB,
whatever it happens to be, because they have partnerships with
sports books, that doesn't mean that the players can just
bet on any sport they want, including the sports that
(27:14):
they play. There are still rules here. So to act
like that's hypocritical, it doesn't make sense to me. You
don't think the same way when it comes to alcohol companies, right, Yeah,
like there are alcohol partnerships between leagues and those companies.
That doesn't mean that the players can just drive drunk
and get away with it. It doesn't mean because I
(27:35):
don't know the NBA has a partnership with michelob Ultra
or whatever it happens to be, that a power forward
can just shotgun beers and team meetings and he's like,
you can't do anything to me.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I mean, you got this.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Partnership over, you still have rules. It's not hypocritical to
still enforce the rules that you have even though you
have those partnerships.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
So the alcohol one is the one I always refer
back to when it comes to discussion, right, because you know,
if a player drives drunk, which is obviously they should
never do, right, And and there's an unfortunate accident or
they get arrested, or there's a d u I. You know,
no one always everyone always says, well, the player's responsibility
right to to make sure that they get home safely. Uh,
(28:17):
they set up a car ride for the you know,
car service themselves, they Uber. But then when a player
gets caught gambling, it's the gambling company's responsibility for them
to No, it's not right. It's you're an adult. There
are rules set in place. You have to follow the rules.
Drinking and driving is illegal because the NFL is in
bed with or has deals with, you know, beer companies,
(28:41):
doesn't mean you're allowed to do that, right, That doesn't
mean that there's undue influence on players to drink. I
always see when there's you know, the Ortez report came out,
you know, there's always be replies on social media saying like,
brought to you by fandom, brought to you by DraftKings.
And I'm like, well, when there's a DUI, that is
(29:01):
they brought to you by bud Light. No, no fan
says that, right, and they say it's the players responsibility.
I'm like, it's the same thing here, it's the it's
the now you you can say all these things are
true about these two stories, right, they're different for why
the player we think was gambling, but that the legal
(29:22):
sports wagering has made it easier and more readily available
player props, right for players that they're playing in a game,
to wager on them or against them. That was not
available and Bright, I'm not I'm sure you were wagering
before legal sports wagering became allowed. You know, those websites
very rarely offered a big menu of player props, and
(29:45):
they might have a starting pitcher player prop, or they
might have a you know, Lebron James a special, but
finding something on Ortiz every first pitch of thirty was
not available, right, Finding player props on Malik Beasley was
probably not available every night. O. Now they're more available. Okay,
that's true. So those markets are able to be taking
(30:05):
advantage of if you, if you would like to, and
so the players would not be doing these things if
it wasn't available to them. But also because it's available,
there are checks and balances put in place. We talked
yesterday on our Sunday show with With with Ben MGM's
leading trader, right, and we asked him this question. He goes, yeah, look,
(30:26):
I see every wager that comes in. I can tell
if there's an abnormal wager immediately, and I go through
the process of alerting everyone about the wager and let's
investigate the wager. So you know those are both you
know they go hand to hand. Right, we have local
sports wagers. We also have checks and bounces put in
place for these instances. And I thought about Ortiz yesterday, right,
(30:47):
so they wager on two first pitches in two different
games of an inning. I found it yesterday, a market
on one of the sports books for the first pitch
of an inning. And I was watching the Indian, the
Guardians and Tigers player was watching Scoobal pitch yesterday, first
pitch of the game. Brian right down the middle ball
calling the ball clearly a strike, clearly a strike like
(31:09):
scoop bol was like, uh, this gold turn to bunt
And I was like, if you had first I mean
first pitch strike was probably laying one point fifty, right,
I mean Scoobl's pitching. And I can imagine the anger
of someone who bet on this market, but it's also
a very small market, like you're just not gonna get
(31:30):
this market, uh, and put that a lot of money.
So the artist thing is fat the be the same
thing seems like he was in a lot of debt
and needed the money for to get out of debts.
The artist thing, I don't I don't get the purpose
of it because you're not making a lot of money
betting on the first pitch of an inning. So that one,
(31:51):
I'm very curious to see what the investigation fishing. And lastly,
the reason why sports leagues are so harsh on punishing
people that gamble on their sport the way, it's way
more harsh than anyone that's committed you know, domestic violence,
right a dui, Yeah, it's more because correct and you
(32:16):
don't want to watch a baseball game where the tons
of baseball on today and think to yourself, these players
are not playing for the competition of the game. They're
playing because they're trying to throw an inn or throw
or throw in a bat or miss a shot or
football is almost impossible to fix it. And but like
drop a pass, you know, like you want everyone to
(32:39):
watch the sport knowing the players are in it for
the competition of the game, and so that's why they're
so harsh on it. E Otis will be We'll get
a lifetime ban if they find out he was part
of this one hundred percent, and he will deserve that.
Just don't do it, Like, don't do it. There's no
there's no outcome that ends with you being profitable as
a player participating in gambling.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Well, I would hope there have been enough stories and
enough investigations and enough punishments, you know, like John tay
Porter is banned for life, and now we have another
investigation with Malik Beasley. We'll see what happens with Louise Ortiz.
But I would hope that professional athletes, now Jeff would
look at this and it really dawns on them, like
(33:25):
if I go down this road, I am literally gambling
with my career here, you know, because a lot of
these guys, I'm sure if Malik Beasley did anything improper
or Louise Ortiz did anything improper, and I don't know
that for sure, let's just say they did. I'm sure
they went about it thinking I'm not gonna get caught.
You're thinking like that, like who's gonna find this out?
(33:46):
You know, but you really have to think about I'm
gambling with my career here, they're monitoring this stuff so
closely that if anything pops up and it raises a
red flag, they're gonna start sniffing around. They're gonna start
in investigating, and if they can connect dots or somebody
talks or what have you, my career could be over.
You have to look at it like that. You are
(34:07):
literally gambling with your career. If you're trying to doctor
your props or you're trying to bounce a pitch and
cash in on that ball first pitch on the top
of the third, like, you gotta think you're gambling with
your career. And the other thing I think of is
I think to a lot of people, there are a
lot of people Jeff, that they just don't embrace sports betting.
(34:29):
That's fine, they're not gamblers, they don't go down that road.
And now they're having to hear about it day in
and day out. So if you're one of those people
and you're like, I don't even do it, I don't
care about it. And all I hear now is are
they gonna cover the spread? I don't care about the spread?
(34:50):
Is the game gonna go under? I don't care about
under overspread? There are a lot of people like that, Yeah,
and now that you're hearing, hey, there's another player being
invest to get it, there's this other player. There's another
of this, there's another that they're thinking. I didn't have
to hear about any of this stuff before sports betting
became legalized. And so there are a lot of people
(35:12):
that think like that and they're over it. Man, they've
been over it. So to them, I could see how
it seems like, Man, this whole thing is just off
the rails. It didn't used to be like that. But
really what it is, it's the checks and balances working
out where you don't get away with this.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I mean, you talk about analytics either launch angle and yeah,
and you know, all of a sudden VELO and EPA
and DVOA. I mean, and people sort of have the
same reaction over that, right. I Mean the thing about
that I just find so fascinating about the way we
talk about me and you. But the way that people
(35:51):
that don't like gamblin talk about it or is that
like they pretend that gambling just started five years ago,
right like that? That people just I mean, there's there
are announcers, play by play guys that we have always
talked about for years before that, like like Michaels and
obviously Musburger who started a gambling media company. But Al's
(36:16):
always been like very famously like you pro spread over
the years, and so you know, it's it's been talked
about just quietly, now can we talked about in the
open and a lot of and I think I don't
even realize personally that there are friends, are people I
meet that gamble on sports. I just had no idea,
(36:36):
like I just there's a lot of people that do
it and casually a couple of bucks here and there.
They're not like me and you. They're not you know,
texting about w NBA games and looking for edges and those.
But I just bet the underdogs that that seems to
be a good edge right now. And in the center
playing the fever, those are two w A edges. Uh
(36:57):
all three dogs cover again yesterday, man, dogs are covering
at a high rate in the w BNBA right now,
dogs are parking and a lot of people are gambling.
So it's just it's being talked about. And if you
don't like it, I don't know what to tell you.
You don't know how to help you feel better about
it other than I watch other stuff where people talk
about things. I just ignore it. I don't know what
that's I just ignore it.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, it's not going to be catered to your exact liking.
It'd be like someone saying, why do I have to
hear about the NFL all day every day? It's like,
have you seen their ratings? But that's why. And to
your point, sports betting is just gonna get bigger and bigger.
It's as big as it's ever been and it'll be
bigger at this time next year. So you're gonna hear
about it quite a bit. So it's like, hey, I'm
(37:39):
sorry if you don't love it, it's not your cup
of tea, but buckle up because it's not going anywhere, right.
That's the way it is, all right. Coming up next, Jeff,
I'd like to suggest a brand new prop bet that
I'm pretty sure does not exist. I'll throw it your way.
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eighteen to one. They won six to four, five to one.
How twove providing a little insurance there. Late they smacked around.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Lauh, they really did. I was watching one of the
games the other day. I didn't I mean I was
watching the Rockies Astros game and that series. You know,
ow two Bays played a lot of baseball. I didn't
realize that. Yeah, he has twenty three hundred hits.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, that's crazy. He's been around for a long long time.
And what was the story? And that's what fuels the booze.
Remember when the Astros were cheating and lying, and remember
when they tore his jersey off and he is like
trying to like shield himself, like no, no, no, don't
take my jersey. He was not allowing them. And remember
(40:03):
Carlos Korea was like because he got a bad tattoo,
that's what it was. He was like, no, no, no,
my bad tattoo. It's like, is that what it was?
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Astro?
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Is that really what was going on? Or is there
something else going on there.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
I'm looking at I think, but probably has the most
hits for any active player. Is that is that sound
about right?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
It could be?
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I don't know, all right, I'm looking right now on
the all time hit list. I think I think he does.
Someone will be like this guy's forty two still playing
once a week. I'm oh, Freddy Freeman might have more
by a couple hits.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Guessing there's least Yeah, Freddy.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Freeman has more about thirty more hits in him. But
Freddy Freeman is there's the most hits for any active player. Wow.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
By the way, what do you think about this, Jeff,
I've got an idea for a brand new prop bet.
I'm not sure if this exists or not, but I'm
guessing it doesn't. If it does, it certainly not labeled this.
So you know they have the Grand sele Lommy bets.
Yeah right, it's just like total points, Like think of
an NFL Sunday, like total points in Week five or whatever.
(41:08):
You bet the over or the under. What do you
think about this? For strikeouts instead of the Grand Salami bet,
the Grand k Lommy bet. What do you think about
you can bet on overall strikeouts for an entire day
of baseball.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
You know that you can't have that right now? There's
no no one offers that we.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Shouldn't know market you should have a grand k Lomby bet.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
We should make it, We should make it a market.
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
We would have cashed on the over yesterday for sure,
on the strikeouts,
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