July 8, 2025 • 41 mins
Brian Noe & Geoff Schwartz are in for the guys and talk about Mike Brown being introduced as teh new head coach of the New York Knicks and why is is a lateral move at best from Tom Thibodeau, the ultimate college football team, and much more!
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Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh what is going on?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Happy Tuesday to you as the Schwartz Syndicate and Brian
Noller back at you again. I'm very happy about this,
and you know we come with good news to start
off here. Now, Jeff, We've done radio for quite a
while and so I've gotten to know you over the years,
and I'm ninety nine point nine percent sure that you
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are not a New York Knicks fan.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Do I have? I'm not a New York Knicks fan.
That's correct?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Okay, Well, you're in luck this morning, because if you were,
I would have some bad news for you. Oh no, yeah,
the bad news I would have for you if you
were a Knicks fan, is that your team who hadn't
been to the Eastern Conference Finals in a quarter of
a century. Though they fired Tom Thibodeaux, they kicked him
to the curb. Then they had the oddest coaching search
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probably of all time, and then they ended up officially
hiring Mike Brown on Monday as their new head coach.
I would anticipate you, as a diehard Knicks fan, would
not be elated with any of these things that went down.
But that's exactly what went down with the Knicks. And
here they are with Mike Brown and what is his
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what fifth job? He's been fired numerous times, and yet
the Knicks man, And this is the thing, Jeff, the
statement they put out, This is their president, Leon Rose,
he put out this statement.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Just maybe it's me, maybe.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I'm too critical here, but to me, this is just
reeks of desperation. This reeks of like the kids would say,
being thirsty, you know. So this is Leon Rose, the
statement he put out after a thorough and extensive search process.
That is a very positive way to describe it. We
are pleased to announce Mike Brown as the head coach
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of the New York Knicks. Mike has coached on the
biggest stages in our sport and brings championship pedigree to
our organization. That's part of the statement from Leon Rose.
Now here's the thing, Jeff. But he got canned left
and right as a head coach. Yes, he was an
assistant coach with the Warriors and the Spurs, and he
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has multiple championships as an assistant coach.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
But it's like, if you're the Nicks, that's what you're
clinging on to.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I know that you want to get there and you
want to reach the promised Land and win a championship,
But this is what you're banking on is Mike Brown
as an assistant coach under Steve Kerr under Popovich, and
he's winning titles with the Warriors with with like K
D and Company. You think that's Mike Brown. His fingerprints
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are all over those titles. Do you think they don't
win titles without Mike Brown? Like, what are we doing here?
I think it's just such desperate thinking where you're just
trying to shoehorn success into your own building, and this
is how you're trying to do it.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
So when good morning, first of all, good morning, Schwartze
Kid might be Mike might lose a sport. By the way,
this is the kid might be might be over the
w We'll find out, okay with with the under with
an under an eleven thirty game today?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
So when I look in my personal life to upgrade something,
right or get rid of something, like I'm actually right
now looking at some kitchen utensils I mentioned yesterday, and
my kids are at camp for a month, so you
have to find something to do. And I'm gonna turn
to cooking because I'm fat and I like to eat,
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and I'm gonna upgrade sei kitchen utensils. And I take
a while to find to get rid of something that
I have and find something new. And the goal when
I just find in my own personal life just just
kitchen utensils, right, I think that's the way we all operate,
is you want to find an upgrade. So if I
fire a kitchen tool, I want to find a better
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kitchen tool. Right, I spend a couple of days today
is Prime Day or whatever for a couple I'm gonna
I'm gonna scour the internet today and look for products
to upgrade my kitchen supply. But I go into it
knowing that I have to upgrade the product I'm finding,
like a knife. Let's say, for example, and I know
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going into it, if I fire my current knife, I'm
gonna try to find a better knife. Okay, sure, gossa
a hiring and firing for head coach. It should happen
in all sports leads. Right, you fire coach, you upgrade
to the next coach. But before you fire that coach,
you do the background checks, the background work, you call
agents to see who's available to upgrade that coach. Right,
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the Knicks apparently did none of this. They rush to
fire Tom Thibodeau, who may look, I buy the argument
that maybe his message had gone stale. Right, he's a grinder.
He works his guys too hard, you know, after he
feels like a guy though that it rightfully makes sense
after five years I believe that. Like they're like, you
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know what, too much grinding? Right, too much? We're moving on.
But again, Brian, moving on to what to what? You
have to have a plan. This is what a competent
teams do. They fire out of a motion, out of
in the moment anger that you didn't be Indiana. Indiana,
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by the way, did the same thing to Boston did
the same thing to Cleveland Cavaliers did the same thing
the Knicks. It didn't matter who they played. They almost
did it, by the way to Oklahoma City Thunder. If
Hallyburn doesn't get hurt, so they you fired him out
of emotion without a plan, and then you go try
to trade for Jason Kidd. You know these things, they're
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just so silly to me, Like you're not You should
have called Jason Kid beforehand. Hey, do you want to
come to us first of all? Too? Hey, Mavericks ownership,
would you trade your coach like you can do all
these things behind the scenes and then figure out a plan.
They had no plan. They by the way, my Lakers
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did the same thing before they hired JJ Reddick. They
tried to get Dan Hurley, which wasn't plan at least, right,
at least I'll give you. I'll give you that, Brian.
They at least had a plan, right. But they look silly.
The Nicks looks silly here. Mike Brown is not any
better than Tom Thibodeau. There's just there's just he's not
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He's not any better, And maybe he's nicer, and maybe
he's not as as cruel to playing time. As you know,
there are things that I think you might look at
and say to yourself, Okay, well there's some upgrades here,
just personality wise. But when you fire Tom Thibodeau, your
job is to find someone better, and at best it's
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a lateral movement. Yeah, and it is a weeks of
incompetence from the front, which is no surprise. But that's
that's what we're right right now.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Well, that's the thing, is the first part of that
statement from Leon Rose. After a thorough and extensive search process,
that is the happiest description that you could come up with.
It was an embarrassing joke of a process to try
to find the next head coach, where they're literally calling
up teams, almost like the old school Yellow Pages, you know, like, Hey,
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call up the Bulls and see if Billy Donovan's available. Nope, Nope,
they won't allow him to interview with us. It was
just a joke that Quinn Snyder with the the Atlanta Hawks,
and it was just such a weird search. Like you said,
a lot of things could have been done behind the scene,
behind the scenes, and they didn't do that. They just
played out in front of everybody, and they look like
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a Mickey Mouse organization. And you're a big I know
this about you too. You're big about process. You know,
when it comes to say sports petting, if your process
is good, sometimes you get a bad result, you get
a fluky result. But if you stay true to your
process and it's good, eventually the wins will come your way.
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Big process guy. It's the same thing with the coaching search.
The process for the Knicks to try to find their
coach was just a calamity. It's like, you know, if
you're at the poker table, you know you will sometimes
win some hands even though your process was bad. You
might just luck out. And that's the best case scenario
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for the Knicks. Their process was terrible. They I don't know,
they went all in with a mediocre starting hand. By
the way, our producer Justin Cooper, while we're talking about poker,
he will have a story of a strong finish in
a Vegas poker tournament later this hour.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Oh, I can't wait to off yesterday he was he
was in round. It was seconding, second day.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, he well, a couple of He's in many different tournaments, right,
but one of the finished fantastic. Yeah, but it'd be
like going all in with like seven ten this weird
mediocre hand, Like, yeah, maybe you were aggressive pre flop,
you just you didn't hit anything on the flop, nothing
on the turn.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
You're still just firing away. It's like, that's not a.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Great process, yes, and somehow you're expecting or hoping to wiggle.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Out of that.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
That's really where the Knicks are. It's just and at
the end of the day, I don't see how ending
on Mike Brown is benefiting you in any way. This
is like you firing all of your kitchen utensils and
replacing them with worse kitchen you kitchen utensils. It's just
not benefiting you in any way.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
It's not. And this is why the Knicks are going
to be the Knicks. And this is a year, by
the way, where you know it's it's a it's a
great year to try to do something special in right,
in in in that in that in uh in the
Eastern Conference. Because the Celtics have punted on the season,
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right with teens injury in their moves, we know, uh
that Indiana is basically not punted. But they're they announced
I think last night yesterday, right Hollyburn's out for this
They're just like he's done out for the season. We're
not even a rushing back, which which I think is
actually a very positive sign for a pro sports franchise.
Just understand that that he's he's our guy. Rushing him
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back makes no sense to say he's out for the season.
Give him a full and look it maybe comes back
to play the last two weeks of the year. Brian,
it's certainly possible, right, who knows, but like he's just
not just don't don't don't bet on it, right, And
and so this is a year in the Eastern Conference
where like you know, there are teams that got better.
I think Atlanta got better, of course about Orlando, but
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you know those I don't think they're not really easter
Evert's Finals winners. The Cows are gonna be good again.
But the Knicks had like of a real chance, but yeah,
they I don't know if this coaching change is really
going to make a difference in giving him that that
that chance.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Well, that's the other interesting thing to me is I
think coaching in today's day and age, certainly in the NBA,
you have to have one of two things going for you, right,
You either have to have management really like you, or
you have to have the players really like you. But
if you're zero for two, you're out of a gig.
I mean, that's just where we are now. I don't know,
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it's it sure seems like this is James Dolan. His
fingerprints are all over this. So it doesn't seem like
James Dolan was incredibly fond of Tom Thibodeaux, and you
could kind.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Of put two and two together.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Tibbs kind of rolls like I would expect him to
roll in the office, sort of like Bill Belichick, you know,
like Robert Kraft was fine with getting rid of Bill
Belichick after six championships. Jeff, you know, it's not like
Belichick is kissing Robert Craft's ring, and I can't expect
Tom Thibodeau to have done the same thing with James Dolan.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
It's not like James Dolan shows up in the office
and Tibbs is like, Hey, Jimmy d what's going on, man,
how's the fishing going? Like that's just not who Tibbs is.
He's like, I got stuff to do. I got to
grind away. I'm watching take Yeah, I don't have time
to talk to you, he seems like he would probably
be like that. And then we had the reports of
the exit interviews with the players and reportedly one or
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a couple of players weren't too fond of playing for TIBs.
So you gotta have one of the two. Either management
is on board or the players are on board. But
if you're zero for too, you're out of a gig.
And that's the thing if you look at other head coaches.
Mike Malone had a lot of success with the Denver Nuggets.
He was out of a job, and the reports came
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out where there were numerous players that were miffed, they
were disgruntled with how things were going. Yeah, and it
reminded me, while we're talking New York, Jeff, it reminded
me of some old school audio. So this was a
member of the New York Giants. This is Carl Banks.
Remember Carl Banks with Lawrence Taylor and all those great
Giants teams. So he was on NFL Network on America's Game, right,
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they chronicle a Super Bowl winning team season, and this
is what Carl Banks had to say about his head coach,
Bill Parcells.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Check this out. This is great.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
That is sort of the relationship Bill had with his players.
He would do something or say something crazy to you.
It affected players differently. I went through a long period
for Parcels and I we literally hated each other for
about an hour a day. I know some players to
this day that just don't like Bill Parcells, but they
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played hard for him.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
One of my favorite movies is Training Day with Denzel Washington,
and there's a line in the movie where he goes
that day is dead dog. We don't roll like that
no more. Right, That's where we are with coaching. What
Carl Banks explained with Bill Parcells and players hating this guy,
but they played hard for him. Yeah, that's no longer today.
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The players that hate their head coach, they just let
it be known and that coach is most likely out
of a gig. So it's a really interesting thing you
gotta do as a current head coach in the NBA.
You got to push your players, You got to hold
them accountable, and you still have to get them to
like you.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
That is not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
It's not easy. I thought you were going to the King
Kong line, but I.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Love that one too.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Yeah, I know, if we're gonna have the mute button
ready to go or the dumb button. I look, I
think you're absolutely right, right, it's a it's a it's
a players run league. You have to be friendly with
the players or the coaches. But sometimes and you mentioned
New England, right, like the winning offsets that. Now, they
didn't do the winning in New York and quite the
fashion that I guess maybe they wanted, but they they
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want a lot, Ryan, It's not like they didn't win, right, Like,
they want a lot for what they have been historically.
So you can't make the argument that they didn't win
at the level maybe that they wanted, but they won
more they had won in many, many years. But yeah,
the grind of that eventually gets old, right, And if
the championships and winning don't come, then people do get
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tired of it. And you're right, Tim's is probably not
coming in there with coffee and donuts every day saying
how was your night? Right? You know, hey, did you
watch the show last night? He's not doing that. But
you also know that when you hire him, so it
shouldn't be surprised when you don't get that fun loving
guy to show up in the in the building every day.
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But again, it should off, you should offset that feeling
with the winning, Like that's what the winning is is
sort of for right, is if you don't like the
coach because he's a little callous, well the winning should
help take care of that. And obviously at the end
it didn't, and they're not gonna win with Mike Brown
in my opinion, So at least you have a coach.
Maybe you like espearisly the X interview thing, it's pretty interesting, right, So,
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you know, ex interviews are what you do as a
player right after the season is over, and you do
them immediately right after the scene is over, and a
lot lot of times, you know, the season doesn't end
the way you wanted to. And you know, not saying
they're contentious interviews, but it's like, maybe not the best
time to do them. I do wonder if if this
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had been done on a different day, different time, the
actually interviews go a little bit better for everybody evolved.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Yeah, no, it's a legit statement right there, for sure.
I just think a lot of times. Last thing I'll
say is we put x'es and o's like on a
too high of a pedestal. I'm not saying exce's and
o's don't matter. They certainly do. But it just talking
about Tibbs, it makes me think of Phil Jackson, you know,
think of Phil Jackson and the success he had with
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the Lakers, with the Bulls, winning all those championships and
just managing people, in managing egos and like crazy Rodman
wants to go to Vegas during the season. You know
how many coaches would not have handled that the same way.
And Phil's like, you know what, let's let him do it.
I think he needs the party and get this out
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of the system. There are a lot of coaches that
would never even think about doing that. That's has nothing
to do with the triangle and x's and o's and
anything like that. It's managing people. It's coaching players hard
and getting them to still respect you and like you,
because if they don't, they're probably not gonna listen to
a word you have to say. It's it's such a
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skill to have.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Can you imagine that now if a player that the
attention that would garner, if a player was like, you
know what, I'm I'm just uh, I'm gonna go to
Vegas a couple of days. I'm just over this right now.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
That's yeah, I know, but that's that's that's coaching in
today's game, you know. And that was in the nineties,
but I think even now it's you've got to be
able to man push your players, listen to your players,
get the best out of your players, and still at
the same time not have them hate your guts.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
That that is it's a very fun line. It feels like, yeah,
Harthan's coaches to walk.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
It pretty crazy, no doubt. All right, we're off and running.
Coming up next. Hey, Jeff sent me a text last
night and was like, I'd like to come bearing gifts today.
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So I'm on board. I think you will be too.
We'll get into that next. He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian Nell.
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Speaker 3 (20:23):
He's Jeff Schwartz.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
I'm Brian No. I'll run for two pros and a
cup of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio. I'll tell
you what Jeff. Oreo is hanging out again. She is
fired up for some sports talk radio. For the people
that don't know this, Oreo is not our cat. I'm
here in Vegas with my girlfriend. Oreo is a neighborhood
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cat who just comes over and hangs out all the time.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And so Oreo is fired up.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
She's a.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
The bad thing is I love Oreo to death, but
she is scratching up these chairs something fierce. Jeff, I
don't know what's going on here, but she's clawing them up.
They're starting to look pretty ragged. And they're not our chairs,
you know, we're.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Just you showed us a picture of Oreo the other day.
Oreo looks to be completely black? Why Oreo? Why don't
oreos look I maybe I'm mistaken, don't don't they normally
have some sort of white films.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
That's true, Yeah, you're right about that, but we didn't
you know, we didn't consider that. I guess it's a
technicality that is very valid, but we didn't think about that.
We just thought it was a cool name.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
So we won't. How does Oreole get into the house?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
She meow's outside. Oh that's kind of like the doorbell,
meow's outside. Or she'll get a little aggressive, she'll kind
of like claw the door, you know, she'll and it'll
make some noise and and we're like, oh, Oreos here
she wants to hang out, you know what.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, we did advantage of Yeah, that's where I keeps
coming back.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You have some dry food, We got some wet food
for some water, you know, so she's oftentimes she'll uh,
you know, she'll knock or meow and walk right in
and just start eating immediately.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
The neighbors know you have her. I don't think so,
is am or her you know.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
To her?
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Yeah, do they know you have her?
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I don't think so. I don't believe so. But this
is kind of the opposite of what happened to Lorena.
Lorena had a cat and all of a sudden, it's
the same thing she started. This cat started visiting a neighbor,
and then when Lorena's cat came home, the cat had
a necklace on from someone else, and Lorena's like, what
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is going on here?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
And that's kind of like trying to steal my cat? Yeah,
that's role reversal.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Like my girlfriend made a necklace for Oreo and she
Orio almost left with this thing on.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I'm like, we got to take the necklace off. They're
gonna know, it's gonna blow the whole operation, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
So well, if this right now, that that's the other
twist here, that that could be a case just maybe
they're big Fox Sports radio fans and they're like, who.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Who would be?
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Yeah, Oreo We don't know any of her history, don't
know her real name, don't know anything.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Just comes over, just like just ruining all your furniture.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
It just comes over, hangs out.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
Yeah, the multiple pictures and videos that you have shown
me off Oreo. Yeah, it doesn't look like Oreo is
like overweight or anything. It looks look Oreo looks like
a skinny cat. So I can't imagine, like, are the
owner other Like is it just a random stray cat
because it doesn't look like it's getting double meals.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Yeah, she's got a home, but I'm not sure where
it is, Like, how do you know? Because she's just
not astray, just strictly outdoor cat.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
You know you can tell that. Yeah, it's living in
your house for only half the time.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
You know she's got it's got another life and yeah
half the time you think. I'm pretty sure. I can't
imagine she's just outdoors all the time. She would look
way different if she were outside.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Okay, Well, oriol must look hearing you. Maybe your radio
voice sues her.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Maybe I don't know what it is, but love that
she hangs out. Okay, So Jeff, you've got an idea today.
So college football twenty six. It came out yesterday, very
popular video. Yes, yeah, And so you're like, hey, how
about we talk some college football. Why don't we come
up with if you pick one offense and one defense
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and one coaching staff to build the best college football
team this season in real life?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Right?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Like you're going with real life units offense, defense, and
coaching wise?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
What would your team look like? What three units would
you choose here?
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Jeff? So this is interesting, right, So I'm I'll pull
up the rankings for you just to we could talking
about this. Okay, So the number one offense is ready Alabama, Georgia.
You're Irish ninety four?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
All my ghosts, let's go.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
So okay, here's one thing about the Irish. Who's the
quarterback down?
Speaker 4 (25:03):
It's probably gonna be CJ. Carr, I'd imagine, so true
freshman most likely. It seems like it's gonna be him.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
But the ninety four raid offense to a true freshman,
yeah good, it's a ninety one rated offense with a
freshman at quarterback. Michigan is eighty nine with a freshman
and quarterback. He's still high for freshmen and quarterback, Brian,
don't they? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:26):
That is pretty high. Yeah, it's yeah, like Ohio State.
I went with Ohio States offense just because man, they
just reload year after year after year after year. And
when you've got Jeremiah Smith, who might be the best
football player in college football regardless of position, Cardinell Tate
is still there. That's a lot of talent that you
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have on your side. If you're like the first year
starting quarterback, that's a big deal.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
It's Julian Sands going to start for Ohio State most
likely right as a first year guy. I believe he
was last year, right, so they at least have a
little bit of like you know of of I've been
in college football a little bit, but these numbers are
super high for like for freshman quarterback I haven't played before.
I'm kind of surprised to see numbers like that so high.
I think, Look, I don't know how good or bad
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arches compared to what we think he's going to be
right or what he can be. But I want what
text us about buddy. I think when you look at
Stark's history, one thing we know he can do is
do offense right. And we know that arch is good.
How how pro ready is he all those things I
think are fair questions. But Texas, their personnel is very good.
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I have to replace guys every year, but that's the
way college football works. Their offensive line is good, the
run game is good, and they have variety when you
can run and pass like like they can. And Arch
is supremely talented. And maybe I'm I'm just projecting what
I think he can be. I will Texas, who's ready
ninety one in the game, so right below the big
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dogs I am. I'm not surprised by Alabama being so high,
but people are not downs are wrong. We're in Alabama, yeah,
but they didn't have what people thought they would be
last year. But I'll tell you what mckilln Debor everywhere
he's been, He's won everywhere he's been. So I don't
know why people are down in Alabama just in general,
but I won with Texas. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Really interested to see year two with the Boar over
there in Bama. Bama land, especially offensively right like Jalen
Milroe last year. I don't know man like just his
college experience. Where he's up, he's down. He's a little consistent.
He has great running ability, passing ability. At times it's
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like it is all or nothing. That dude can throw
a bomb like the best of them, but the other
stuff was kind of like, yeash, it's kind of all
or nothing on these drives. So I'm gonna see if
Bama has more consistency offensively this year.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
But yeah, I went with Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I think that what's crazy to me, this one blows
my mind, Jeff, is they lost a lot of talent
from their national championship team, Right, yeah, yeah, But what
I think of is one Ryan Day, you're averaging at
least thirty points every year he's been there, and so
they just reload.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
If you think of c. J.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Stroud when he was at Ohio State, he had five
first round wide receivers to throw to during his time
in college.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Crazy, right, that's that's just wide receiver. Like, he had
five first round dudes.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
He had Garrett Wilson with the Jets, Chris Olave with
the Saints, he had Jackson Smith and Jigba. Now what
the Seahawks doing is, yeah, they had Marvin Harrison junior,
and then he had a Mecca Buca who just got
selected in the first round with Tampa. He had all
those dudes in college. They had first round you know,
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offensive tackle. He had other draft picks, talent galore, and
all they did was reload and win a championship shortly
after the CJ.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Stroud years. That's just what they do at Ohio State.
So I go with them.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I actually went with Texas's defense. Okay, as my selection here.
They just have they just have dudes, Jeff. They're fast,
they're disruptive, they're stout. You got Anthony Hill, He's a
superstar linebacker, probably the best in the country, one hundred
and thirteen tackles last season. Colin Simmons is nasty, a
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really strong pass rusher, might be the most feared pass
rusher in the SEC. I went with Texas's defense.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
So look at the defensive rankings for those agains. Like
just talk about, you know, to one of the teams,
you think, right, Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, Ohio State game.
They've lost so much on defense and lost off and
lost their defensive coordator to Penn State. Penn Sate. Moulla
is eighty nine. Kind of surprised with the talent they
have in Jim Knowles coming over Oregon's ninety four. I mean,
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I think hopefully, Yeah, fingers Texas ninety four. It comes
in ninety four, You're Irish ninety one. Our teams are
good this year, buddy, let's go.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Let's go. Let's just sign up for Ducks Irish in.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
The That would break that would I think that would
break our radio show, Ducks Irish would break us. It
would be it would be, you know, the the college
football season. I don't know how you feel feel this
way about Notre Dame. I feel this way about Oregon,
and we're both pro football fans as well. Is with
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the playoff the way it is now, I think this
is are they doing they expand for this season or
it is the next season?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I you know what, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Yes, it's irrelevant to discussion about our teams.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
So I'm gonna say it's this year. They're still like
dotting the eyes crossing the tea.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
I'm pretty sure I used yeah, but the.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
I think it was twenty. But it doesn't matter. The
point of this is this, So in the NFL's NFL fans,
if your team loses the game, you're bummed, right, but
it's not the end of the season. Okay. Previous to
the twelve team playoff, if you were a fan of
one of these teams at the top, right, Organ Allabambahao State, Texas, Georgia, Clemson,
Notre Dame, Michigan, Elos Right one loss and you're like,
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oh boy, the one more now before we don't make
the playoff. It felt like the weight of that was
so heavy on you as a fan, no doubt with
the playoff. Now, I view organ season from the pro
model of like, oh, well we lost the game, oopsie,
Like it happens. You can lose two gaming with Oregon schedule,
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they're going at worse ten and two, Like that's just
what they play at Penn State, which will be hard
a week five, I think it is, and they'll be
fair in every other game of the season, and like
either go ten and two you're in the playoff? Yeah,
from the big ten and it just it's a different
way to so I every game that I watched this
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year I view from the lens of like, okay, were
we ready to play a playoff game? Are ready to
play off? States? Or I played Georgia. It's a it's
a different viewing experience as a fan. Sure you feel
this way about your Irish where it's like, yeah, they have.
Irish tend to have more weird things happen that Oregon
does with wins and losses sometimes. But like you because
under Dan Lanning, who do have for three years now,
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we've only had one game we've lost that we shouldn't like,
that's it in three years and that was Oregon State.
They needed a you know, a twenty one point fourth
quarter comeback to win that game. So like, we don't
lose those games. And so because Irish fan like you
could drop one game, yeah, two games and you're still
in the postseason where that wasn't the case.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
It's different than it was. I mean, listen, it's I'll
put it this way. If Notre Dame that's where I'm
from South Bend. If Notre Dame loses a college football game, immediately,
you know, I'm very unhappy about it. But then to
what you're saying is you're like, okay, but you do
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get a mull again. They're still alive, you know that
sort of thing. So it's like I don't just ug
my shoulders immediately. It still stings, but that's the Yeah,
it's different is over though.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Which is which is the way it feels like when
a lot when a lot of these teams. When you
your favorite team loses, it.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Just like that's over. It's certainly different. So real quick,
what coaching staff did.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
You go with? I mean, I don't know how you
don't just pick Georgia.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, I went with Kirby as well.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Yeah, I will say I think I think the Penn
State wants a pretty good coaching staff James Franklin and
kle Nikki and and now Jim Knowles. The problem with
Penn State is they just they got to win the
game that they that they haven't won that years.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Right, They're like, yeah, that little uh winning big games
the fine print.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Right.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
You know something that's crazy about James Franklin because you
do the show on Saturdays and I don't get to
talk to you about this. Yeah, I'll get to do
my podcast when he's a favorite of between seven and
twenty one points is something like nineteen and one overall
in his career, like he they don't. But the problem
is when they're underdogs, they lose so uh, like they
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like if they have to get over that hurdle. But
Penn State is gonna finish probably no worse than the
ten wins. Organ will be no worse than ten wins.
I mean, it's just schedule, right, You're just you're at
the point of of you know with some of these
teams that it's just the schedule and the talent. With recruiting,
you're never not gonna win ten games. Yeah, And that's
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the thing about the sport. It's just it's a different
sport now with the way people recruit and also just
with the playoff.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I guess that's the question is how long is your parlay?
Is it a seven legue parlay? You're to make the
playoff parlay?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Yeah, I haven't done it. I haven't done it yet,
but it's gonna it's gonna be Oregon, Penn State, Notre Dame.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
I think I think SEC teams is kind of interesting
because they do play a tougher schedule. As much as
we like to joke about that seat shocks, but I
think you look at at I think Clemson's probably in.
I would have imagine, yeah, it's gonna be. It's gonna
be a lot. You don't have to dissuade me from
some of these teams, like again, Oregon, Penn State, Ohio
State's probably a yes, But again, quarterbacks still I mean,
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there's that thing about Penn State organ like there's no
quarterback questions like organized Dante Moore. Penn State has drew
all like you know what you are. Those teams are
in Clemson's in uh you know I I think George
is probably in Texas. Schedule is kind of tough, could
but you know so, I yeah, I mean I will
have a multiple team parlay with the playoffs. You have, right,
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you're a college.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Sports fan, you could switch it up. You have a
couple of like three leg variety parlays.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Well round robin, just a little round robin it, you know.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Different combinations, and you can have your one grand Salami
parlay over there, you know, seven Alma. Hopefully Crack is
not listening to this segment. He would he would be
disgusted by this parlay talk over here. But coming up next,
I've got a week one an NFL bet that you might.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Be interested in.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Oh okay, well we'll compare notes on that. He's Jeff Schwartz,
I'm Brian No. We're in for two Pros and a
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Speaker 2 (36:11):
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Speaker 3 (36:21):
He's Jeff Schwartz.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I'm Brian no In for two Pros and a Cup
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what that is. Great mood bumper music right there, little Nirvana.
Very good call by Lorena right there. Come as you are.
Any love for like the grunge scene over there, Jeff,
I know you're not mister metalhead.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
What do you get down? You're okay with grunge a
little bit? Yeah, litill you dabble.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
I mean I dabble in it, like you know some
workout music. You know, we'll dabble in here and there.
I mean, I you know, I'm still still rocking the
electric dance music for the majority of my of my
workouts now, but I'll put some some grunge on every
now and then.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
You know, next hour.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Because we were talking about this yesterday with the the
lawsuits about copyright infringement and all that, I went and
I dug up the story.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I found it. We're gonna do this next hour.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
I grab some audio and let me just say that
a brief portion of it blends my music with your music. Okay,
just kind of drive a point home. So you have
that to look forward to.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
It about an hour right now.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
It should be a lot of fun. So what's funny, Jeff,
is you get a kick out of this. I'll give
you my week one bet in a second.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
But my head is always spinning when it comes to, hey,
what's gonna happen next. As a sports better, you have
to anticipate what's gonna happen, right of course. And so
the other day, you'd appreciate this. When we're doing the show,
the Countdown Show on Sunday morning, a lot of the
prop bets haven't been posted yet, you know, Like we
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don't have picture prop bets the night before. We don't
have WNBA prop bets the night before.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
So a lot of times I'll I'll go to sleep
and I'm thinking about, hey, what about this possibility? What
about that? And so the other night, I just I
was so tired, I didn't even realize this.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I sort of woke up and wrote a note on
my phone and when I woke up, it said Purdue
team total over. It's like Purdue is not playing anything.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
I don't know what I was thinking. I was half
asleep and I just thought that was hilarious.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
Where I'm like, oh, that over for the season.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
No, No, it was as if I was just confused
thinking that might be one of the bets on Sunday morning,
you know, when clearly there's nothing in season.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
It was just a total mistake. I don't know what
I was thinking of.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
I was half a you're ready for controoball season.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Maybe maybe it's college basketball, but it's like a college
basketball pick. But at any event, my week one bet
that I have circled here, Jeff, you tell me what
you think about this.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
It's a total.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I'm looking at Giants at Washington. Okay, the total is
forty five and a half. How are they going over?
I love the under in this situation here where listen.
I love Jayden Daniels. He had a special rookie season. Yeah,
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but to hit the ground running, you got Deebo Samuel
over there, you have Laramie Tunzel. You might not be
a well oiled machine come Week one against the divisional opponent.
Right and by the way, the Giants, so they selected
Abdul Carter with the number three overall pick. You have
him along with Brian Burns and Cavon Thibodeau. That's a
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lot of pass rush talent that the Giants have and
so and also look at the Giants offense. How many
points are they scoring? Yeah, Washington wasn't great against the rush.
The Giants aren't great rushing it. So you're expecting what
Russell Wilson to throw it to Moleak Neighbors seventeen times?
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How are the Giants putting up a ton of points?
I just I think the under is a solid play
in Giants Commanders Week one.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
Well, I think it's worth noting the Giants defense last
year wasn't bad, right, they added You mentioned the added
to it, you know some week one Jitters. I mean,
this game, by the way, is going to be the
favorite play of all the squares. Taking Washington minus is
the seven right now? Oh man, we were talking on
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our text start about one of the squares that that
we fade. They will be on Washington in this game.
Right I'm gonna have to take the Giants. I know
right now I will be betting on the Giants week
one because everyone's gonna be on Washington and I hate
myself for it, but that's the way it works in
the gambling space.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
You're right, Yeah, it'll probably be giants at least covering,
maybe not winning, but covering that somehow someway. Yeah, probably
will all right, come it up next. Believe it or not,
a bunch of negativity can actually be a great thing.
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
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Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh what is going on?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Happy Tuesday to you as the Schwartz Syndicate and Brian
Noller back at you again. I'm very happy about this,
and you know we come with good news to start
off here. Now, Jeff, We've done radio for quite a
while and so I've gotten to know you over the years,
and I'm ninety nine point nine percent sure that you
(01:02):
are not a New York Knicks fan.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Do I have? I'm not a New York Knicks fan.
That's correct?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Okay, Well, you're in luck this morning, because if you were,
I would have some bad news for you. Oh no, yeah,
the bad news I would have for you if you
were a Knicks fan, is that your team who hadn't
been to the Eastern Conference Finals in a quarter of
a century. Though they fired Tom Thibodeaux, they kicked him
to the curb. Then they had the oddest coaching search
(01:30):
probably of all time, and then they ended up officially
hiring Mike Brown on Monday as their new head coach.
I would anticipate you, as a diehard Knicks fan, would
not be elated with any of these things that went down.
But that's exactly what went down with the Knicks. And
here they are with Mike Brown and what is his
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what fifth job? He's been fired numerous times, and yet
the Knicks man, And this is the thing, Jeff, the
statement they put out, This is their president, Leon Rose,
he put out this statement.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Just maybe it's me, maybe.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I'm too critical here, but to me, this is just
reeks of desperation. This reeks of like the kids would say,
being thirsty, you know. So this is Leon Rose, the
statement he put out after a thorough and extensive search process.
That is a very positive way to describe it. We
are pleased to announce Mike Brown as the head coach
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of the New York Knicks. Mike has coached on the
biggest stages in our sport and brings championship pedigree to
our organization. That's part of the statement from Leon Rose.
Now here's the thing, Jeff. But he got canned left
and right as a head coach. Yes, he was an
assistant coach with the Warriors and the Spurs, and he
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has multiple championships as an assistant coach.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
But it's like, if you're the Nicks, that's what you're
clinging on to.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I know that you want to get there and you
want to reach the promised Land and win a championship,
But this is what you're banking on is Mike Brown
as an assistant coach under Steve Kerr under Popovich, and
he's winning titles with the Warriors with with like K
D and Company. You think that's Mike Brown. His fingerprints
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are all over those titles. Do you think they don't
win titles without Mike Brown? Like, what are we doing here?
I think it's just such desperate thinking where you're just
trying to shoehorn success into your own building, and this
is how you're trying to do it.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
So when good morning, first of all, good morning, Schwartze
Kid might be Mike might lose a sport. By the way,
this is the kid might be might be over the
w We'll find out, okay with with the under with
an under an eleven thirty game today?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
So when I look in my personal life to upgrade something,
right or get rid of something, like I'm actually right
now looking at some kitchen utensils I mentioned yesterday, and
my kids are at camp for a month, so you
have to find something to do. And I'm gonna turn
to cooking because I'm fat and I like to eat,
(04:15):
and I'm gonna upgrade sei kitchen utensils. And I take
a while to find to get rid of something that
I have and find something new. And the goal when
I just find in my own personal life just just
kitchen utensils, right, I think that's the way we all operate,
is you want to find an upgrade. So if I
fire a kitchen tool, I want to find a better
(04:37):
kitchen tool. Right, I spend a couple of days today
is Prime Day or whatever for a couple I'm gonna
I'm gonna scour the internet today and look for products
to upgrade my kitchen supply. But I go into it
knowing that I have to upgrade the product I'm finding,
like a knife. Let's say, for example, and I know
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going into it, if I fire my current knife, I'm
gonna try to find a better knife. Okay, sure, gossa
a hiring and firing for head coach. It should happen
in all sports leads. Right, you fire coach, you upgrade
to the next coach. But before you fire that coach,
you do the background checks, the background work, you call
agents to see who's available to upgrade that coach. Right,
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the Knicks apparently did none of this. They rush to
fire Tom Thibodeau, who may look, I buy the argument
that maybe his message had gone stale. Right, he's a grinder.
He works his guys too hard, you know, after he
feels like a guy though that it rightfully makes sense
after five years I believe that. Like they're like, you
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know what, too much grinding? Right, too much? We're moving on.
But again, Brian, moving on to what to what? You
have to have a plan. This is what a competent
teams do. They fire out of a motion, out of
in the moment anger that you didn't be Indiana. Indiana,
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by the way, did the same thing to Boston did
the same thing to Cleveland Cavaliers did the same thing
the Knicks. It didn't matter who they played. They almost
did it, by the way to Oklahoma City Thunder. If
Hallyburn doesn't get hurt, so they you fired him out
of emotion without a plan, and then you go try
to trade for Jason Kidd. You know these things, they're
(06:29):
just so silly to me, Like you're not You should
have called Jason Kid beforehand. Hey, do you want to
come to us first of all? Too? Hey, Mavericks ownership,
would you trade your coach like you can do all
these things behind the scenes and then figure out a plan.
They had no plan. They by the way, my Lakers
(06:50):
did the same thing before they hired JJ Reddick. They
tried to get Dan Hurley, which wasn't plan at least, right,
at least I'll give you. I'll give you that, Brian.
They at least had a plan, right. But they look silly.
The Nicks looks silly here. Mike Brown is not any
better than Tom Thibodeau. There's just there's just he's not
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He's not any better, And maybe he's nicer, and maybe
he's not as as cruel to playing time. As you know,
there are things that I think you might look at
and say to yourself, Okay, well there's some upgrades here,
just personality wise. But when you fire Tom Thibodeau, your
job is to find someone better, and at best it's
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a lateral movement. Yeah, and it is a weeks of
incompetence from the front, which is no surprise. But that's
that's what we're right right now.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Well, that's the thing, is the first part of that
statement from Leon Rose. After a thorough and extensive search process,
that is the happiest description that you could come up with.
It was an embarrassing joke of a process to try
to find the next head coach, where they're literally calling
up teams, almost like the old school Yellow Pages, you know, like, Hey,
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call up the Bulls and see if Billy Donovan's available. Nope, Nope,
they won't allow him to interview with us. It was
just a joke that Quinn Snyder with the the Atlanta Hawks,
and it was just such a weird search. Like you said,
a lot of things could have been done behind the scene,
behind the scenes, and they didn't do that. They just
played out in front of everybody, and they look like
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a Mickey Mouse organization. And you're a big I know
this about you too. You're big about process. You know,
when it comes to say sports petting, if your process
is good, sometimes you get a bad result, you get
a fluky result. But if you stay true to your
process and it's good, eventually the wins will come your way.
(08:49):
Big process guy. It's the same thing with the coaching search.
The process for the Knicks to try to find their
coach was just a calamity. It's like, you know, if
you're at the poker table, you know you will sometimes
win some hands even though your process was bad. You
might just luck out. And that's the best case scenario
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for the Knicks. Their process was terrible. They I don't know,
they went all in with a mediocre starting hand. By
the way, our producer Justin Cooper, while we're talking about poker,
he will have a story of a strong finish in
a Vegas poker tournament later this hour.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Oh, I can't wait to off yesterday he was he
was in round. It was seconding, second day.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, he well, a couple of He's in many different tournaments, right,
but one of the finished fantastic. Yeah, but it'd be
like going all in with like seven ten this weird
mediocre hand, Like, yeah, maybe you were aggressive pre flop,
you just you didn't hit anything on the flop, nothing
on the turn.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
You're still just firing away. It's like, that's not a.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Great process, yes, and somehow you're expecting or hoping to wiggle.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Out of that.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
That's really where the Knicks are. It's just and at
the end of the day, I don't see how ending
on Mike Brown is benefiting you in any way. This
is like you firing all of your kitchen utensils and
replacing them with worse kitchen you kitchen utensils. It's just
not benefiting you in any way.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
It's not. And this is why the Knicks are going
to be the Knicks. And this is a year, by
the way, where you know it's it's a it's a
great year to try to do something special in right,
in in in that in that in uh in the
Eastern Conference. Because the Celtics have punted on the season,
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right with teens injury in their moves, we know, uh
that Indiana is basically not punted. But they're they announced
I think last night yesterday, right Hollyburn's out for this
They're just like he's done out for the season. We're
not even a rushing back, which which I think is
actually a very positive sign for a pro sports franchise.
Just understand that that he's he's our guy. Rushing him
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back makes no sense to say he's out for the season.
Give him a full and look it maybe comes back
to play the last two weeks of the year. Brian,
it's certainly possible, right, who knows, but like he's just
not just don't don't don't bet on it, right, And
and so this is a year in the Eastern Conference
where like you know, there are teams that got better.
I think Atlanta got better, of course about Orlando, but
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you know those I don't think they're not really easter
Evert's Finals winners. The Cows are gonna be good again.
But the Knicks had like of a real chance, but yeah,
they I don't know if this coaching change is really
going to make a difference in giving him that that
that chance.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Well, that's the other interesting thing to me is I
think coaching in today's day and age, certainly in the NBA,
you have to have one of two things going for you, right,
You either have to have management really like you, or
you have to have the players really like you. But
if you're zero for two, you're out of a gig.
I mean, that's just where we are now. I don't know,
(12:14):
it's it sure seems like this is James Dolan. His
fingerprints are all over this. So it doesn't seem like
James Dolan was incredibly fond of Tom Thibodeaux, and you
could kind.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Of put two and two together.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Tibbs kind of rolls like I would expect him to
roll in the office, sort of like Bill Belichick, you know,
like Robert Kraft was fine with getting rid of Bill
Belichick after six championships. Jeff, you know, it's not like
Belichick is kissing Robert Craft's ring, and I can't expect
Tom Thibodeau to have done the same thing with James Dolan.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
It's not like James Dolan shows up in the office
and Tibbs is like, Hey, Jimmy d what's going on, man,
how's the fishing going? Like that's just not who Tibbs is.
He's like, I got stuff to do. I got to
grind away. I'm watching take Yeah, I don't have time
to talk to you, he seems like he would probably
be like that. And then we had the reports of
the exit interviews with the players and reportedly one or
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a couple of players weren't too fond of playing for TIBs.
So you gotta have one of the two. Either management
is on board or the players are on board. But
if you're zero for too, you're out of a gig.
And that's the thing if you look at other head coaches.
Mike Malone had a lot of success with the Denver Nuggets.
He was out of a job, and the reports came
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out where there were numerous players that were miffed, they
were disgruntled with how things were going. Yeah, and it
reminded me, while we're talking New York, Jeff, it reminded
me of some old school audio. So this was a
member of the New York Giants. This is Carl Banks.
Remember Carl Banks with Lawrence Taylor and all those great
Giants teams. So he was on NFL Network on America's Game, right,
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they chronicle a Super Bowl winning team season, and this
is what Carl Banks had to say about his head coach,
Bill Parcells.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Check this out. This is great.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
That is sort of the relationship Bill had with his players.
He would do something or say something crazy to you.
It affected players differently. I went through a long period
for Parcels and I we literally hated each other for
about an hour a day. I know some players to
this day that just don't like Bill Parcells, but they
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played hard for him.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
One of my favorite movies is Training Day with Denzel Washington,
and there's a line in the movie where he goes
that day is dead dog. We don't roll like that
no more. Right, That's where we are with coaching. What
Carl Banks explained with Bill Parcells and players hating this guy,
but they played hard for him. Yeah, that's no longer today.
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The players that hate their head coach, they just let
it be known and that coach is most likely out
of a gig. So it's a really interesting thing you
gotta do as a current head coach in the NBA.
You got to push your players, You got to hold
them accountable, and you still have to get them to
like you.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
That is not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
It's not easy. I thought you were going to the King
Kong line, but I.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Love that one too.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Yeah, I know, if we're gonna have the mute button
ready to go or the dumb button. I look, I
think you're absolutely right, right, it's a it's a it's
a players run league. You have to be friendly with
the players or the coaches. But sometimes and you mentioned
New England, right, like the winning offsets that. Now, they
didn't do the winning in New York and quite the
fashion that I guess maybe they wanted, but they they
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want a lot, Ryan, It's not like they didn't win, right, Like,
they want a lot for what they have been historically.
So you can't make the argument that they didn't win
at the level maybe that they wanted, but they won
more they had won in many, many years. But yeah,
the grind of that eventually gets old, right, And if
the championships and winning don't come, then people do get
(16:03):
tired of it. And you're right, Tim's is probably not
coming in there with coffee and donuts every day saying
how was your night? Right? You know, hey, did you
watch the show last night? He's not doing that. But
you also know that when you hire him, so it
shouldn't be surprised when you don't get that fun loving
guy to show up in the in the building every day.
(16:24):
But again, it should off, you should offset that feeling
with the winning, Like that's what the winning is is
sort of for right, is if you don't like the
coach because he's a little callous, well the winning should
help take care of that. And obviously at the end
it didn't, and they're not gonna win with Mike Brown
in my opinion, So at least you have a coach.
Maybe you like espearisly the X interview thing, it's pretty interesting, right, So,
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you know, ex interviews are what you do as a
player right after the season is over, and you do
them immediately right after the scene is over, and a
lot lot of times, you know, the season doesn't end
the way you wanted to. And you know, not saying
they're contentious interviews, but it's like, maybe not the best
time to do them. I do wonder if if this
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had been done on a different day, different time, the
actually interviews go a little bit better for everybody evolved.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Yeah, no, it's a legit statement right there, for sure.
I just think a lot of times. Last thing I'll
say is we put x'es and o's like on a
too high of a pedestal. I'm not saying exce's and
o's don't matter. They certainly do. But it just talking
about Tibbs, it makes me think of Phil Jackson, you know,
think of Phil Jackson and the success he had with
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the Lakers, with the Bulls, winning all those championships and
just managing people, in managing egos and like crazy Rodman
wants to go to Vegas during the season. You know
how many coaches would not have handled that the same way.
And Phil's like, you know what, let's let him do it.
I think he needs the party and get this out
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of the system. There are a lot of coaches that
would never even think about doing that. That's has nothing
to do with the triangle and x's and o's and
anything like that. It's managing people. It's coaching players hard
and getting them to still respect you and like you,
because if they don't, they're probably not gonna listen to
a word you have to say. It's it's such a
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skill to have.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Can you imagine that now if a player that the
attention that would garner, if a player was like, you
know what, I'm I'm just uh, I'm gonna go to
Vegas a couple of days. I'm just over this right now.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
That's yeah, I know, but that's that's that's coaching in
today's game, you know. And that was in the nineties,
but I think even now it's you've got to be
able to man push your players, listen to your players,
get the best out of your players, and still at
the same time not have them hate your guts.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
That that is it's a very fun line. It feels like, yeah,
Harthan's coaches to walk.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
It pretty crazy, no doubt. All right, we're off and running.
Coming up next. Hey, Jeff sent me a text last
night and was like, I'd like to come bearing gifts today.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I've got a topic idea for you. Oh ran it
find me.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I said, Man, let's go here, and not to let
the cat out of the bag. It is about ball.
So I'm on board. I think you will be too.
We'll get into that next. He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian Nell.
We're in for Two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
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Speaker 3 (20:23):
He's Jeff Schwartz.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
I'm Brian No. I'll run for two pros and a
cup of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio. I'll tell
you what Jeff. Oreo is hanging out again. She is
fired up for some sports talk radio. For the people
that don't know this, Oreo is not our cat. I'm
here in Vegas with my girlfriend. Oreo is a neighborhood
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cat who just comes over and hangs out all the time.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And so Oreo is fired up.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
She's a.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
The bad thing is I love Oreo to death, but
she is scratching up these chairs something fierce. Jeff, I
don't know what's going on here, but she's clawing them up.
They're starting to look pretty ragged. And they're not our chairs,
you know, we're.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Just you showed us a picture of Oreo the other day.
Oreo looks to be completely black? Why Oreo? Why don't
oreos look I maybe I'm mistaken, don't don't they normally
have some sort of white films.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
That's true, Yeah, you're right about that, but we didn't
you know, we didn't consider that. I guess it's a
technicality that is very valid, but we didn't think about that.
We just thought it was a cool name.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
So we won't. How does Oreole get into the house?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
She meow's outside. Oh that's kind of like the doorbell,
meow's outside. Or she'll get a little aggressive, she'll kind
of like claw the door, you know, she'll and it'll
make some noise and and we're like, oh, Oreos here
she wants to hang out, you know what.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, we did advantage of Yeah, that's where I keeps
coming back.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You have some dry food, We got some wet food
for some water, you know, so she's oftentimes she'll uh,
you know, she'll knock or meow and walk right in
and just start eating immediately.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
The neighbors know you have her. I don't think so,
is am or her you know.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
To her?
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Yeah, do they know you have her?
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I don't think so. I don't believe so. But this
is kind of the opposite of what happened to Lorena.
Lorena had a cat and all of a sudden, it's
the same thing she started. This cat started visiting a neighbor,
and then when Lorena's cat came home, the cat had
a necklace on from someone else, and Lorena's like, what
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is going on here?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
And that's kind of like trying to steal my cat? Yeah,
that's role reversal.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Like my girlfriend made a necklace for Oreo and she
Orio almost left with this thing on.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I'm like, we got to take the necklace off. They're
gonna know, it's gonna blow the whole operation, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
So well, if this right now, that that's the other
twist here, that that could be a case just maybe
they're big Fox Sports radio fans and they're like, who.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Who would be?
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Yeah, Oreo We don't know any of her history, don't
know her real name, don't know anything.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Just comes over, just like just ruining all your furniture.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
It just comes over, hangs out.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
Yeah, the multiple pictures and videos that you have shown
me off Oreo. Yeah, it doesn't look like Oreo is
like overweight or anything. It looks look Oreo looks like
a skinny cat. So I can't imagine, like, are the
owner other Like is it just a random stray cat
because it doesn't look like it's getting double meals.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Yeah, she's got a home, but I'm not sure where
it is, Like, how do you know? Because she's just
not astray, just strictly outdoor cat.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
You know you can tell that. Yeah, it's living in
your house for only half the time.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
You know she's got it's got another life and yeah
half the time you think. I'm pretty sure. I can't
imagine she's just outdoors all the time. She would look
way different if she were outside.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Okay, Well, oriol must look hearing you. Maybe your radio
voice sues her.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Maybe I don't know what it is, but love that
she hangs out. Okay, So Jeff, you've got an idea today.
So college football twenty six. It came out yesterday, very
popular video. Yes, yeah, And so you're like, hey, how
about we talk some college football. Why don't we come
up with if you pick one offense and one defense
(24:31):
and one coaching staff to build the best college football
team this season in real life?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Right?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Like you're going with real life units offense, defense, and
coaching wise?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
What would your team look like? What three units would
you choose here?
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Jeff? So this is interesting, right, So I'm I'll pull
up the rankings for you just to we could talking
about this. Okay, So the number one offense is ready Alabama, Georgia.
You're Irish ninety four?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
All my ghosts, let's go.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
So okay, here's one thing about the Irish. Who's the
quarterback down?
Speaker 4 (25:03):
It's probably gonna be CJ. Carr, I'd imagine, so true
freshman most likely. It seems like it's gonna be him.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
But the ninety four raid offense to a true freshman,
yeah good, it's a ninety one rated offense with a
freshman at quarterback. Michigan is eighty nine with a freshman
and quarterback. He's still high for freshmen and quarterback, Brian,
don't they? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:26):
That is pretty high. Yeah, it's yeah, like Ohio State.
I went with Ohio States offense just because man, they
just reload year after year after year after year. And
when you've got Jeremiah Smith, who might be the best
football player in college football regardless of position, Cardinell Tate
is still there. That's a lot of talent that you
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have on your side. If you're like the first year
starting quarterback, that's a big deal.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
It's Julian Sands going to start for Ohio State most
likely right as a first year guy. I believe he
was last year, right, so they at least have a
little bit of like you know of of I've been
in college football a little bit, but these numbers are
super high for like for freshman quarterback I haven't played before.
I'm kind of surprised to see numbers like that so high.
I think, Look, I don't know how good or bad
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arches compared to what we think he's going to be
right or what he can be. But I want what
text us about buddy. I think when you look at
Stark's history, one thing we know he can do is
do offense right. And we know that arch is good.
How how pro ready is he all those things I
think are fair questions. But Texas, their personnel is very good.
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I have to replace guys every year, but that's the
way college football works. Their offensive line is good, the
run game is good, and they have variety when you
can run and pass like like they can. And Arch
is supremely talented. And maybe I'm I'm just projecting what
I think he can be. I will Texas, who's ready
ninety one in the game, so right below the big
(27:04):
dogs I am. I'm not surprised by Alabama being so high,
but people are not downs are wrong. We're in Alabama, yeah,
but they didn't have what people thought they would be
last year. But I'll tell you what mckilln Debor everywhere
he's been, He's won everywhere he's been. So I don't
know why people are down in Alabama just in general,
but I won with Texas. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Really interested to see year two with the Boar over
there in Bama. Bama land, especially offensively right like Jalen
Milroe last year. I don't know man like just his
college experience. Where he's up, he's down. He's a little consistent.
He has great running ability, passing ability. At times it's
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like it is all or nothing. That dude can throw
a bomb like the best of them, but the other
stuff was kind of like, yeash, it's kind of all
or nothing on these drives. So I'm gonna see if
Bama has more consistency offensively this year.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
But yeah, I went with Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I think that what's crazy to me, this one blows
my mind, Jeff, is they lost a lot of talent
from their national championship team, Right, yeah, yeah, But what
I think of is one Ryan Day, you're averaging at
least thirty points every year he's been there, and so
they just reload.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
If you think of c. J.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Stroud when he was at Ohio State, he had five
first round wide receivers to throw to during his time
in college.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Crazy, right, that's that's just wide receiver. Like, he had
five first round dudes.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
He had Garrett Wilson with the Jets, Chris Olave with
the Saints, he had Jackson Smith and Jigba. Now what
the Seahawks doing is, yeah, they had Marvin Harrison junior,
and then he had a Mecca Buca who just got
selected in the first round with Tampa. He had all
those dudes in college. They had first round you know,
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offensive tackle. He had other draft picks, talent galore, and
all they did was reload and win a championship shortly
after the CJ.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Stroud years. That's just what they do at Ohio State.
So I go with them.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I actually went with Texas's defense. Okay, as my selection here.
They just have they just have dudes, Jeff. They're fast,
they're disruptive, they're stout. You got Anthony Hill, He's a
superstar linebacker, probably the best in the country, one hundred
and thirteen tackles last season. Colin Simmons is nasty, a
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really strong pass rusher, might be the most feared pass
rusher in the SEC. I went with Texas's defense.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
So look at the defensive rankings for those agains. Like
just talk about, you know, to one of the teams,
you think, right, Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, Ohio State game.
They've lost so much on defense and lost off and
lost their defensive coordator to Penn State. Penn Sate. Moulla
is eighty nine. Kind of surprised with the talent they
have in Jim Knowles coming over Oregon's ninety four. I mean,
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I think hopefully, Yeah, fingers Texas ninety four. It comes
in ninety four, You're Irish ninety one. Our teams are
good this year, buddy, let's go.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Let's go. Let's just sign up for Ducks Irish in.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
The That would break that would I think that would
break our radio show, Ducks Irish would break us. It
would be it would be, you know, the the college
football season. I don't know how you feel feel this
way about Notre Dame. I feel this way about Oregon,
and we're both pro football fans as well. Is with
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the playoff the way it is now, I think this
is are they doing they expand for this season or
it is the next season?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I you know what, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Yes, it's irrelevant to discussion about our teams.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
So I'm gonna say it's this year. They're still like
dotting the eyes crossing the tea.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
I'm pretty sure I used yeah, but the.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
I think it was twenty. But it doesn't matter. The
point of this is this, So in the NFL's NFL fans,
if your team loses the game, you're bummed, right, but
it's not the end of the season. Okay. Previous to
the twelve team playoff, if you were a fan of
one of these teams at the top, right, Organ Allabambahao State, Texas, Georgia, Clemson,
Notre Dame, Michigan, Elos Right one loss and you're like,
(31:11):
oh boy, the one more now before we don't make
the playoff. It felt like the weight of that was
so heavy on you as a fan, no doubt with
the playoff. Now, I view organ season from the pro
model of like, oh, well we lost the game, oopsie,
Like it happens. You can lose two gaming with Oregon schedule,
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they're going at worse ten and two, Like that's just
what they play at Penn State, which will be hard
a week five, I think it is, and they'll be
fair in every other game of the season, and like
either go ten and two you're in the playoff? Yeah,
from the big ten and it just it's a different
way to so I every game that I watched this
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year I view from the lens of like, okay, were
we ready to play a playoff game? Are ready to
play off? States? Or I played Georgia. It's a it's
a different viewing experience as a fan. Sure you feel
this way about your Irish where it's like, yeah, they have.
Irish tend to have more weird things happen that Oregon
does with wins and losses sometimes. But like you because
under Dan Lanning, who do have for three years now,
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we've only had one game we've lost that we shouldn't like,
that's it in three years and that was Oregon State.
They needed a you know, a twenty one point fourth
quarter comeback to win that game. So like, we don't
lose those games. And so because Irish fan like you
could drop one game, yeah, two games and you're still
in the postseason where that wasn't the case.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
It's different than it was. I mean, listen, it's I'll
put it this way. If Notre Dame that's where I'm
from South Bend. If Notre Dame loses a college football game, immediately,
you know, I'm very unhappy about it. But then to
what you're saying is you're like, okay, but you do
(32:54):
get a mull again. They're still alive, you know that
sort of thing. So it's like I don't just ug
my shoulders immediately. It still stings, but that's the Yeah,
it's different is over though.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Which is which is the way it feels like when
a lot when a lot of these teams. When you
your favorite team loses, it.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Just like that's over. It's certainly different. So real quick,
what coaching staff did.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
You go with? I mean, I don't know how you
don't just pick Georgia.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, I went with Kirby as well.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Yeah, I will say I think I think the Penn
State wants a pretty good coaching staff James Franklin and
kle Nikki and and now Jim Knowles. The problem with
Penn State is they just they got to win the
game that they that they haven't won that years.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Right, They're like, yeah, that little uh winning big games
the fine print.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Right.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
You know something that's crazy about James Franklin because you
do the show on Saturdays and I don't get to
talk to you about this. Yeah, I'll get to do
my podcast when he's a favorite of between seven and
twenty one points is something like nineteen and one overall
in his career, like he they don't. But the problem
is when they're underdogs, they lose so uh, like they
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like if they have to get over that hurdle. But
Penn State is gonna finish probably no worse than the
ten wins. Organ will be no worse than ten wins.
I mean, it's just schedule, right, You're just you're at
the point of of you know with some of these
teams that it's just the schedule and the talent. With recruiting,
you're never not gonna win ten games. Yeah, And that's
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the thing about the sport. It's just it's a different
sport now with the way people recruit and also just
with the playoff.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I guess that's the question is how long is your parlay?
Is it a seven legue parlay? You're to make the
playoff parlay?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Yeah, I haven't done it. I haven't done it yet,
but it's gonna it's gonna be Oregon, Penn State, Notre Dame.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
I think I think SEC teams is kind of interesting
because they do play a tougher schedule. As much as
we like to joke about that seat shocks, but I
think you look at at I think Clemson's probably in.
I would have imagine, yeah, it's gonna be. It's gonna
be a lot. You don't have to dissuade me from
some of these teams, like again, Oregon, Penn State, Ohio
State's probably a yes, But again, quarterbacks still I mean,
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there's that thing about Penn State organ like there's no
quarterback questions like organized Dante Moore. Penn State has drew
all like you know what you are. Those teams are
in Clemson's in uh you know I I think George
is probably in Texas. Schedule is kind of tough, could
but you know so, I yeah, I mean I will
have a multiple team parlay with the playoffs. You have, right,
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you're a college.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Sports fan, you could switch it up. You have a
couple of like three leg variety parlays.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Well round robin, just a little round robin it, you know.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Different combinations, and you can have your one grand Salami
parlay over there, you know, seven Alma. Hopefully Crack is
not listening to this segment. He would he would be
disgusted by this parlay talk over here. But coming up next,
I've got a week one an NFL bet that you might.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Be interested in.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Oh okay, well we'll compare notes on that. He's Jeff Schwartz,
I'm Brian No. We're in for two Pros and a
Cup of Joe right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
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Speaker 3 (36:21):
He's Jeff Schwartz.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I'm Brian no In for two Pros and a Cup
of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. I'll tell you
what that is. Great mood bumper music right there, little Nirvana.
Very good call by Lorena right there. Come as you are.
Any love for like the grunge scene over there, Jeff,
I know you're not mister metalhead.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
What do you get down? You're okay with grunge a
little bit? Yeah, litill you dabble.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
I mean I dabble in it, like you know some
workout music. You know, we'll dabble in here and there.
I mean, I you know, I'm still still rocking the
electric dance music for the majority of my of my
workouts now, but I'll put some some grunge on every
now and then.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
You know, next hour.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Because we were talking about this yesterday with the the
lawsuits about copyright infringement and all that, I went and
I dug up the story.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I found it. We're gonna do this next hour.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
I grab some audio and let me just say that
a brief portion of it blends my music with your music. Okay,
just kind of drive a point home. So you have
that to look forward to.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
It about an hour right now.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
It should be a lot of fun. So what's funny, Jeff,
is you get a kick out of this. I'll give
you my week one bet in a second.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
But my head is always spinning when it comes to, hey,
what's gonna happen next. As a sports better, you have
to anticipate what's gonna happen, right of course. And so
the other day, you'd appreciate this. When we're doing the show,
the Countdown Show on Sunday morning, a lot of the
prop bets haven't been posted yet, you know, Like we
(38:04):
don't have picture prop bets the night before. We don't
have WNBA prop bets the night before.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
So a lot of times I'll I'll go to sleep
and I'm thinking about, hey, what about this possibility? What
about that? And so the other night, I just I
was so tired, I didn't even realize this.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I sort of woke up and wrote a note on
my phone and when I woke up, it said Purdue
team total over. It's like Purdue is not playing anything.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
I don't know what I was thinking. I was half
asleep and I just thought that was hilarious.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
Where I'm like, oh, that over for the season.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
No, No, it was as if I was just confused
thinking that might be one of the bets on Sunday morning,
you know, when clearly there's nothing in season.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
It was just a total mistake. I don't know what
I was thinking of.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
I was half a you're ready for controoball season.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Maybe maybe it's college basketball, but it's like a college
basketball pick. But at any event, my week one bet
that I have circled here, Jeff, you tell me what
you think about this.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
It's a total.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I'm looking at Giants at Washington. Okay, the total is
forty five and a half. How are they going over?
I love the under in this situation here where listen.
I love Jayden Daniels. He had a special rookie season. Yeah,
(39:38):
but to hit the ground running, you got Deebo Samuel
over there, you have Laramie Tunzel. You might not be
a well oiled machine come Week one against the divisional opponent.
Right and by the way, the Giants, so they selected
Abdul Carter with the number three overall pick. You have
him along with Brian Burns and Cavon Thibodeau. That's a
(39:59):
lot of pass rush talent that the Giants have and
so and also look at the Giants offense. How many
points are they scoring? Yeah, Washington wasn't great against the rush.
The Giants aren't great rushing it. So you're expecting what
Russell Wilson to throw it to Moleak Neighbors seventeen times?
(40:20):
How are the Giants putting up a ton of points?
I just I think the under is a solid play
in Giants Commanders Week one.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
Well, I think it's worth noting the Giants defense last
year wasn't bad, right, they added You mentioned the added
to it, you know some week one Jitters. I mean,
this game, by the way, is going to be the
favorite play of all the squares. Taking Washington minus is
the seven right now? Oh man, we were talking on
(40:48):
our text start about one of the squares that that
we fade. They will be on Washington in this game.
Right I'm gonna have to take the Giants. I know
right now I will be betting on the Giants week
one because everyone's gonna be on Washington and I hate
myself for it, but that's the way it works in
the gambling space.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
You're right, Yeah, it'll probably be giants at least covering,
maybe not winning, but covering that somehow someway. Yeah, probably
will all right, come it up next. Believe it or not,
a bunch of negativity can actually be a great thing.
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