November 29, 2024 • 40 mins
Brian Noe & Jason Martin fill in for the guys and discuss the Bears mishap in the last 30 seconds of the game vs. the Lions, why did this game make Brian think of the movie Rounders & what is the actual ceiling for the Dolphins after their loss against the Patriots.
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
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I'll tell you who didn't have a happy thing Thanksgiving.
That would be the Chicago Bears. My lord, can.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
You believe like you can lose games? Fine?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
But the way the Bears loss to the Lions without
calling time out as the final thirty seconds just ticked
off the clock and they end up losing that way.
I just can't think of a more embarrassing way. Oh wait, wait,
it's the same team a little bit earlier against the
Washington Commanders giving up a hail mary while one of
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the defensive backs, Tyreek Stevenson, was talking trash to the
crowd as the hail mary was playing out.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
What a disaster for the Bears this season. Man, First off,
happy Thanksgiving, And yes, I don't know what to say
about how that game ended other than the coach and
then the coach afterwards trying to explain it. And I
know we're going to get into the comments. He didn't
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totally throw his quarterback under the bus or his team
under the u, but he kind of did. And the
problem was, he said, well, here's what we wanted to do.
We wanted to get it to eighteen and then we
wanted to call that last time out, kick that field goal,
get a few more yards. I like what we did there,
he said. He's like, I like what we did there.
But then you know, we're just gonna have to execute
better and all this kind of stuff, like, coach, listen,
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you had thirty seconds, you got one snap off, You
had a chance very easily to kick a field goal
at the very least, or at least give your team
a better chance into the end zone after the sack.
Neither of those things happened. You had said, you know,
you wanted the quarterback to go ahead and get the
ball snapped. You wanted him to snap it around eighteen seconds,
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and then when he didn't, you just stood there like
you didn't call the time out immediately to help your quarterback,
who maybe was a little overwhelmed in the circumstance. He
had had three touchdowns and played an unbelievable second half
against maybe the best team in football on their field
on Thanksgiving, twelve games into his NFL career. He had
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done everything under the sun for you. Maybe he had
gotten lost in that moment it was super loud, didn't
know the circumstance, didn't know that he had a time
out to burn all these things that happened. By the way,
you called a time out when the clock was stopped,
So we'll also point that out. But all this stuff
is going on, and you're telling me that we just
had to execute it better. So you just stood there
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and let the time keep ticking instead of helping your quarterback,
instead of just calling the time out. We can say, yeah,
Caleb Williams, you know, could have been more aware in
that circumstance for sure, But when you recognize he's not,
you're supposed to help him. That's what you are. You're
the head football coach. You're supposed to, you know, be
that last line of defense that if they can't do it,
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maybe you can short of going on to the field
and actually playing. And yet you didn't. And this is
what bad teams do, Brian. That's my last takeaway is
like you talked about the commander's finish, you can talk
about the block field goal, you can talk about coming
all the way back to then lose to the Vikings
in overtime. All these kinds of things they show the
signs of a team that is that should have a
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better record, but they just don't have accountability from their
own head coach. And it was just unthinkable. And if
he were fired today, I would not be surprised because
everybody came for his neck after the game. Chicago media
came after his neck, the you know, the national guys
came after his neck. And apparently there were some tough
talks in the locker room afterwards and stuff. This is
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unthinkably bad for an organization that is, like, you can't
let this quarterback go, You can't let this dude regress,
you can't let him lose his confidence, and all this
other kind of stuff, and they are doing everything they
can to stop from winning games. It's just it's as
comical as it gets. It really is where I get
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mad if you probably feel the same way.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
It drives me crazy when a head coach on the
sideline will not call time out to avoid a delay
of game penalty. You know what I mean, Like the clock,
the play clock is ticking down, and the quarterback's got
all this stuff going on. He's trying to get the
play call, he's looking at the defense, and all of
a sudden it's just ticking down, ticking down. He might
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not be aware, and then all of a sudden there's
a delay of game penalty. And I always look at
the head coach and I'm like, what the hell are
you doing?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Call time out? Help your quarterback out.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
What the Bears did yesterday on Thanksgiving against the Lions
was a thousand times worse. This is the end of
the game. This isn't just a random delay of game penalty.
Which could hurt you during the flow of the game.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
This is the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
You gotta time out in your back pocket. There are
thirty seconds to go, and you let it tick down
to six seconds when you snap it, and then you
throw it deep and that's the last play of the game.
That is they talk about cardinal sins in baseball. I
guess we could just deem that a bear's sin. That's
a bear's sin if you just let the time hick
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off the clock while you haven't. My goodness, that can't
have it. I love the Lions radio call the Lions
radio network.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Check this out.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
They're just clowning the Bears like they're not gonna call
time out.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Are you serious? This is the way it ends. Check
this out.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Bears go straight to the line, third and twenty six
from the Lion forty one Williams with ten seconds to
go in the game. Williams with seven Williams with six
takes the snap. This could be the final play of
the game. Froze it deep downfield. It is our games.
It incomplete, that's it, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
What in the world where the Bears game? It's over?
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Man, You talk about the World of Practice managers over.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Man and then like to your point, Jason, at the
end of that calamity, the only thing you can say
as the head coach is I completely watched that. And
what does Matt Eberflu say? Pretty much the exact opposite.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
I think we handled it the right way, and I
do believe that uh just re wreck the play, get
an in bounce and call time out and that's why
we held it and didn't work out the way we
wanted it to.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I think we handled it the right way. No, really,
come on, man, what.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Are we doing? Like, here's how bafflin this is? Right?
So yesterday Dan Byer and Aaron Torres are in the
afternoon doing the Friends Giving show, and so I come
on with them right after the game, and Tim Patrick
is my lead in because they get him fresh off
the field and they're asking him about it, and he's baffled.
He's like, you know what we're standing on silens. We
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don't know what's happening. The Lions don't even understand what's happening.
And at one point Tim's like, I mean they did
have a time out, right, Like he wanted to double
check that outs because it didn't make sense. Yeah, I
say us, I was listening in before coming in. But
he's like they did have a time out, right, Yeah, okay,
Well that that that's all you need to say about that.
I don't need to add like that's literally kind of
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like the opponents are baffled by your stupidity. They're like,
we'll take the we'll take the win. We'll go ahead
and go to eleven to one, and you guys can
lose one of the most ridiculous regular season games ever.
And unfortunately for the Bears, even if this one was
gonna get swept mildly under the rug, not on Thanksgiving
when it was the only thing to watch, Like everybody
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got to see this, when Matt every single person got
to see it. And then they got to see you
in the postgame say, I think we handled it the
right way. No, coach, if you handled it the right way,
you would have done nothing that happened right there, right
And if Caleb and if again, if Caleb Williams, you know,
brain farded in the moment, which is you know it happens,
we understand this. A lot of things go on. We're
all humans. Then you don't just because you called something
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that you think was the right thing. When it goes
to crap on the field, you can still call the
time out like you don't have to, Like you didn't
have to turn your vote in and then all of
a sudden you wanted to change it after the fact. Nope,
noe once you didn't buy you did not buy that
play call coach on a final block Friday sale where
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you're not able to return it, Like you easily could
have just called the time out. You still had it.
It's not like you had to look at the ref
and be like, you know, we would call a time
out here, but we did it the right way. But
what are we doing here at this point? I do
not think he should still be the coach. I don't
think he should have been the coach to start this yay,
especially how it's gone this way. I am you cannot
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let this guy stan if there were a lot of
people saying he shouldn't have been able to fly home
and all this kind of stuff. I mean, if anybody
deserves to be fired on a holiday, and I hate
calling somebody's job, it's a coach that does that. And
then after the game says that I know, unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, It's uh, if you rewind to the beginning of
the season, well before the beginning of the season, he
never should have been the head coach anyway. This is
a lame duck season. You know, it's the final year
of his contract. Is that the situation? Like Mike McCarthy
with the Cowboys, He's not going to be the head
coach of the future, I'll put it that way. And
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so it's like, why would you start the Caleb Williams
era with a head coach that is hanging on by
a thread and the chances were better than not that
the Bears season with a rookie quarterback? Was it gonna
be good enough to keep Matt Eberfluse going forward as
the Bear's head coach? Why would you start Caleb Williams
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rookie season with this guy as the head coach?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
It just didn't make sense. It was a bad plan
to begin with.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Just blow them out, bring in a new head coach,
start fresh together. Now, what's gonna happen after Caleb Williams
has a rocky rookie season, You bring in another head
coach and you gotta start back.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
At square one again? Why would you deal?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
It was a bad plan to begin with, and I
think the Bears organization got what they deserved with a
bad plan, and then it ends up the way it
did yesterday on Thanksgiving. This this would have been bad
enough if it was, you know, just a random one
pm Eastern start last week. If this was last week's
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ending against the Vikings, that would have been bad enough.
It's way worse on Thanksgiving standalone game. All these football
fans are just feeding their faces and watching ball.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
You don't call.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Time out like the simplest thing, but I do. I
would add Caleb Williams does not deserve a free pass
for this. No, Ibra Flues deserves more blame because he's
got to bail out his quarterback.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
But Caleb Williams knows better than to let the time
run off like that.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
You gotta be better than that being the final play
of the game when you gotta time out. That just
can't be the way it unfolds, for either the quarterback
or the head coach. But I still would blame Eber Flues.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
More if you really look into Caleb's corments. I'm not
positive he knew he had a timeout. I'm not either. Still,
the way he talked about it, that's right, and it
didn't seem like Keenan Allen did either. All of these
are indicative of the same thing. Though You're right, yes,
Caleb needs to be more aware in those circumstances. It
would be a learning experience for him, not a good look,
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get it. But that's where your coach is supposed to
be the leader in the room. That's where your coach
is supposed to be kind of the adult there. That's like, hey,
all right, we got to know the time, we gotta
no distance, we got to know everything here in this moment,
And it seemed like nobody on that Bears team was
on the same page at all, And that is indicative
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of a head coach that does not have control. And
that's the same kind of thing like that Hail Mary
thing is not gonna happen to the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah,
you're not gonna have something like that happen to the Lions.
You're not going to have that happen to good football teams.
They're being run. Well, there's a reason why good things
tend to happen to good teams. You talk about ah Man,
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the Steelers, they're just lucky. Patriots are just lucky like
for so many years in all the Scots off, look
at all these things that went their way. Notice those
things never go the way of teams that are completely discombopulated,
Like there's a reason why certain thing. You put yourself
in circumstances for success instead of failure, And in this
case it was the exact opposite. It was everything that
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possibly could have gone wrong in that moment did. But
your head coach has to be there, or maybe I
don't know, somebody all that staff has to look at
Matt and be like, head coach, you get a you
serious Clark, you're gonna call Tom out here. We just
gonna let this thing go, and you let it go.
And I don't know that they'll let him finish the season.
But to the earlier point, yes, he never should have
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been there at the start of this year. There's no
reason you bring in a rookie quarterback and then keep
the very mediocre, defensive minded head coach who didn't find
ways at all to maximize anything that justin Fields might
have been able to offer him. And then by this
is the thing, what's the best thing about Caleb Williams
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Right now, it's not just that he's good. It's that
he's cheap for a little while and you can build
around him and do things. So because you had the
luxury of able to win some games last year, because
you had Carolina's number one pick, you were able to
go get sweat and you were able to go do
some things and kind of get some things in motion,
so that guys felt a little better coming into the season.
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Then you go get Caleb Williams and then you for
some reason, tied both his hands behind his back by
keeping the same head coach instead of finding an offensive
minded guy or somebody that could come in with him
with a fresh start. So you have not only wasted
a year of his career, you've wasted a year of
his rookie contract. Right. That is mismanagement from the top
like that. That probably if it doesn't just cost Matt Ebrafleus' job, Brian,
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it's also gonna cost Ryan Poles his job, and it
well should. There is absolutely no excuse why you brought
that guy back, because we all could and did tell
you that's not gonna go very well. Why don't you
go find somebody a little bit better? And now you're
gonna do that, But you're gonna have a new coordinator.
You're gonna have a new head coach, and so Caleb's
gonna have to learn all these new things and do
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all this stuff. You have loan a year of Caleb
Williams's career and this rookie contract.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, no, it's a good way to look at it.
Have you seen the movie Rounders with Matt Damon, oh
Ed Norton, Yeah, many times. I want to make a
Rounders comparison with the end of that Bears game coming
up next, right, because there's something that you said that
made me think immediately of a line from that movie,
and it explains the difference between the Bears and the
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Chiefs and the Steelers like teams that are actually well prepared.
We'll get to that right around the corner. Also, Man,
we got a lot to do here, Jason. We've got
a narrative that hasn't changed at all as we look
back at the Thanksgiving Day games and we look forward. Man,
we got a lot of college ball here today on
a black Friday, we got the Raiders and the Chiefs.
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We got a full slate of college ball tomorrow, and
then the NFL on Sunday. The ball buffet is just
under way over here, Jason. You know, we're just getting
our first little I just threw like ham on my plate,
maybe a little bit of turkey.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
That's it. Like with the Thanksgiving Day Games, we still
got a lot.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
More to throw on the plate. So we'll get to
the rounders comparison coming up next. On Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe Live from the Tireck dot Com Studios.
He's Jason Martin. I'm Brian Know, in for the fellas
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
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Speaker 3 (16:32):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Live
from the Tireck dot Com Studios. He's Jason Martin. I'm
Brian Know. We're in for the guys here on Fox
Sports Radio. We'll get to my dolphins sucking again in
cold weather here, Jason, My gosh, it's not even that
cold right.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
It's in the twenties. They made it look like it
was below zero out there, but who doesn't really like, yeah,
he's not been partially cold weather there, Brian, I don't
know if you know that.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah, yeah, we'll get to Tua in the fins here
in a minute. But there's something that you said about
the Bears that made me think of the movie Rounders,
And so your point was was well laid out, where
if you look at the Bears, it's not just random
if it happens once, Okay, maybe it's random if it
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happens three times in a season where they don't call
time out. Yesterday against the Lions, as the time just
ticks away.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
They have one time out remaining unforgivable.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Oh, by the way, there's the hail Mary against the
Washington Commanders. There's the blocked field goal against the Packers,
and the final seconds of a game that they would
have won had they executed a kick. If the kick
gets blocked, you kind of shrug your shoulders and say, oh,
football is crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
You know, that's not exactly the head coach's fault.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
But on top of the hail Mary, and then you
sprinkle in what happened yesterday without calling time out, it's
just not a coincidence. And it makes me think of
the movie Rounders where Matt Damon is talking to his
girlfriend and he says, it's a skill game, Joe, Why
do you think the same guys make it to the
World Series of Poker every year?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Are they the luckiest people in Vegas?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
And that's the difference, right, Like, that's the difference between
the Chiefs and the Bears. The preparation matters a lot.
You're not going to see and this is exactly what
you said, Jason. You're not gonna see the Chiefs give
up a Hail Mary at the end of a game
the same way the Bears did against the Commanders. You're
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definitely not gonna see the Chiefs not called time out
like Mahomes isn't gonna melt down like that. Andy Reid
isn't going to allow Mahomes to melt down like that
without calling a timeout.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
So that's the difference.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
And you could look at this and overlook it and say, hey, hey,
Mahomes is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
Caleb Williams is a daisy fresh rookie. That's just a
silly comparison. It's really not a silly comparison because they're
like checks and balances with the Chiefs, and even if
there is a mistake, there isn't a greater mistake on
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top of it. And Andy Reid would have stepped in
and Matt Eberflus didn't.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
And that's just as basic as it gets.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
You don't have to be on like a Mount Rushmore
trajectory as Mahomes is or Andy Reid is, to just.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Call time out when the time's ticking off the clock.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
That's as basic as it gets for the Bears, and
they're just not prepared for those moments at all.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, no, look, that's right. And again, when your quarterback
clearly didn't have control of that moment, didn't understand what
was happening with the clock and stuff, then you're supposed
to help him. That's your job. That's when you step
in and help your football team and call the time out,
and then you bring him over and say, hey, brother,
we have one, we have one. We need to get
this one. You know, you get it set. But that's
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not what you did. You stood there and let the
time pass, and everybody, including probably your own coaching staff,
is sitting there baffled by everything that happens as you
were making that analogy, which that skill Game one is
dead on. I was thinking about this, like my wife
and I are different when it comes to, you know,
how we learn and think. She's brilliant in math and science,
which is why she's in the career she's in in medicine,
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and I'm hosting a sports talk radio so right now.
So there's differences here. So when I used to do math, Okay,
growing up, it's not that I had no idea how
to do math. I was never that great at math.
But the reason was not because I couldn't add, subtract, divide,
didn't understand processes and all these other kinds of things.
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It was because I was careless, because I would miss
one little detail and it would cost me the question.
So I would take math tests and I would do it,
and I have to show my work, and there would
be one line where I would do something wrong or
I would overlook something and wouldn't go back and check
my work, and then as a result, I would get
that question wrong. Here's what I did not do well, well, Mom,
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well Dad, So I understand that I got a sixty here,
but I mean I did it the right way, like
if you see right here, Like my intent was to
get the question, right, But right here I forgot to
carry this and so I ended up missing the question.
But you understand the intent was good, right, That's what
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Matt Eberflus did. Like no, I said, nah that. You
know what my parents called me when I would bring
that home, and what they tried to just drill out
of me as best as possible was my tendency to
be careless with the details. And when you think about
the Bears, they're careless with the details. You don't have
a dB, you know, chomping at the fans with one
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play left, and a rookie quarterback that can beat you
in Jane Daniels, And that's what you had. Unthinkably, all
of these things together. The field goal, Look, that can happen.
I'm a Broncos fan. Yeah, we lost to the Chiefs
because of a block field goal a couple of weeks ago.
But do you know what other negative things have happened
this year with the Broncos? No me either, Yeah, that
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can happen to anybody. All of these things together indicate
a team that is not functioning properly. And usually when
a company is not functioning properly, there is somewhere going
up the chain where there is a big time problem
or somebody that's in a job that shouldn't be there,
that should be a step or two below. I don't know,
maybe not maybe not a head coach, but a coordinator somewhere,
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And in this case, your head coach is not a
head coach. And then even after the game, failing to
take accountability is another spot where if you needed a reason,
like if I had wanted, if I was somebody in
the Bears front office, or if I was Kevin Warren,
if I wanted him to do the thing that would
make it easy for me to let him go today,
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that's what he did after the game. It's almost like
I I go up to him, Hey, we're gonna fire
you tomorrow, so just sound really really arrogant, Yeah dumb,
yeah here in this pro make it easier on us.
It'll look right, it'll make sense for us to fire
you tomorrow. There'll be no like sympathy for you or
anything else. Just go out and say we did things
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the right way and then kind of sort of throw
your team under the bus real quick. That way it
feels like you've lost them. Let's just make this whole
thing real easy. We'll make it smooth, like butter will
fire you, and you'll say exactly the thing that makes
it obvious that we should fire you. That's what happened.
They did it on the field, and then he did
it in the press conference.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
No, it's so true, man, it feels exactly like that.
And I know that's not the truth. I know that's
not what you're saying it is, but it does. It
feels like if they said, hey, Matt, we're gonna fire you,
if you could just say something that would make us
look like of course they have to fire him, and
he just he's like, I got it, you know, I
got just the thing for you.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
How about this? How about thought we handled it the
right way?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
And they're like, yeah, I get yes, Yes, let just
go with that perfect.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Ah. Just a disaster.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Well, speaking of disasters, here on Fox Sports Radio, Jason Martin,
how about Miami Dolphins here as their record sinks even
further in sub forty degree whether they have lost twelve
straight games when the temperature is below forty degrees as
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they lost to the Packers last night, And listen, I
don't think Tua was a disaster at all. You look
at his final numbers. He threw for three hundred and
sixty five yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
But I think this is partially.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Where numbers can lie to you, where if you think
of the sequence before halftime, Jason, you can look and say, hey, well, Tua,
he completed thirty seven of forty six passes. That's really good.
Where was the running game? If anything, Tua was the
reason they were in that game. All of those things
are true, but there are subtle things that are missed
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that lead to losses. And before halftime, the Dolphins are driving,
they're trailing. It's I believe twenty one to six at
the time, and the Dolphins are driving, They're in field
goal range, they've got fourth down, they go for it,
and Tua's got an open running back, devon Ah Chain
is open, and Tua just airmailed it incomplete. Packers take
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over Packers with like twenty two seconds left something like that.
They move the ball down the field, getting field goal range,
hit a field goal that's at minimum a six point turnaround,
and you're trailing at halftime twenty four to six, and
you're playing catch up even more.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
And so you could look at his numbers.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
And say, man, he threw for three hundred and sixty
five yards, no interceptions, a couple of touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
So what's the problem.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
It's the little things, and right before halftime that sequence
plays into all those things, all those little careless penalties,
muffing a punt and you're immediately giving up a touchdown
and playing catch up. Those are the little things that
Dolphins didn't do well. On top of oh, I don't know,
getting man handled into trenches where you can't run the ball.
(26:15):
That's an issue, and that leads to a Dolphins loss.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Again.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Man, they just they can't get out of their own
way in the cold.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
No, they can't, and they were It was interesting that
that game actually had stakes because there was a time,
probably within the last few weeks, where you thought maybe
it wouldn't, that it would for Green Bay, but it
wouldn't for Miami. Miami's still in the hunt. Like that's
the that's the I think that's the tough part for you,
Brian Is as a Dolphins fan. You guys can't afford
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any of this, Like if you want to get there,
if you're healthy and you do have a collection of
skill talent, and you guys look a lot different when
Tua is the quarterback of the team. But this just
I think this goes to not instill much confidence in
in that organization. Right now, McDaniel has been he's been
lauded by a lot of a lot of the analytics
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guys and a lot of people that just have been
around him. He seems like a really good guy and
all this kind of stuff. I wouldn't say that he's
been great as the head coach, Like, I don't know
that you're gonna bring anybody better in and so I
kind of hope he does get another opportunity. But at
the same time, what's the ceiling on this team? Because
it seemed like a year ago, maybe a little over
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a year ago, you felt a lot better about it
than you do now Now you watch it and you
just say, this kind of feels like a missed opportunity
that's going to happen, like one that we can talk
about in the present, but look ahead to the future
and say, yeah, you know what, this is not it.
This is not actually going to pay off, but it
could have because and I don't know what the there's
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disparate parts here, and there's just things that aren't quite right.
But there seems so close. It feels like Miami is
like a fools goal kind of team. Like it's easy
to potentially get excited watching it, but there's just enough
wrong or just enough that could go wrong, especially if
the temperature drops below a certain degree where you just
you're never gonna feel comfortable about anything that's going on.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's just I think the bottom line is
they're just not good enough, you know. I think that's
where they are as a team, and then you can
look individually from there and like big picture, I think
one of the things hurting the Dolphins the lack of
a pass rush they lost.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
It's nice to have Bradley Chubb this year.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Bradley Chubb got hurt at the end of last season.
Jalen Phillips got hurt toward the end of last season.
Jalen Phillips played a little bit this season and then
got banged up again. He's on the shelf again. So
having those two guys out hurts a lot. And it's
just like they show you glimpses of their ceiling and
it's really exciting what you're talking about. There's skill position players,
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and you bring in John new Smith.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
He's been really good for the Dolphins. He had a night,
he had ten catches last night. But they're they're just
not good enough and the head coach isn't good enough,
you know, Tua.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
As much as it pains me to say this, he's
not good enough with where the Dolphins currently are constructed
to really do.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
You think McDaniel should be gone? Like you just said,
he's not good enough? Do you? Are you kind of
over the Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Experiment, Yes, yeah, I'm over it. Where listen, I don't
think he's bad. I think he's good enough for them
to be one of those teams in the mix. They're
they're kind of like a an offensive version of the Steelers, right,
kind of like the Steelers are more defensive minded and
they're good and they're gonna win games, but they're.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Not gonna go anywhere of real note.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
You know, in the playoffs, it's just not We know
that they're not going to have a deep run because
of their limitations. And that's how I look at the Dolphins.
They're like the yin to the Steelers Yang. Like the
Steelers are more defensive and they have a lower ceiling.
The Dolphins a little more offensive and they have just
a lower ceiling because collectively they're not good enough to
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really get to the promised Land. And Mike McDaniel, I
don't think he's bad. I just don't think he adjusts
well enough. He'll have a plan and if it works, great.
If it doesn't work, he's kind of like, oh, shoot,
I guess this plan doesn't work, and we're gonna take
the l Like it's like we're the adjustments.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
I've heard I've seen that critique before is like he
comes in with a game plan and if you have
that thing mapped, then you've got him. Yeah, sort of
like the way that Cliff Kingsbury has been looked at.
He has one offensive plan and then once it's figured out,
you get diminishing returns from it, Like you have to
be able to adjust and things like that. The other
critique i've heard about McDaniel is just so he gets
too cute, Like he does like stuff that you would
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do in Madden, but not stuff that necessarily is going
to pay dividends on an actual football field, and as such,
when it doesn't work, it's like, oh, that would have
been so good, right, but that doesn't mean anything. Yeah,
Like it's great that you were creative, but at the
same time, you also have to be efficient and move
the football down the field. And sometimes I think you
can overcute yourself, and I think maybe that's one of
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his tendencies.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Also, Yeah, right, it's to me, Mike McDaniel, he's kind
of like a baseball pitcher where he just doesn't have
a good secondary pitch. He's like a pitcher that shows
up and is like, oh, shoot, I guess they're hitting
my cutter, and that's that's what I will rely on.
Like I make my living on my cutter, so I
(31:32):
guess I'm just gonna give up a bunch of runs
here tonight. Like it's like, really, that's it. There's no
there's no secondary pitch that you can rely on, or
like Kershaw, this makes his living on his curveball. If
Kershaw only made his living on his curveball and they
were hitting it that night and he's just like, well,
I can't really mix it up.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
This is all I do. It's like, Bro, you can't
approach pitching that way.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
It just feels like Mike McDaniel approaches coaching like that
too much, where this is very simplistic, but there's a
lack of adjusting, and you just.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Can't go down with the ship. You've got to change
it up.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
You gotta do something else if what your plan was
isn't working and there's just too little adjusting from Mike McDaniel.
So and this is one of those years, Jason, where
Hey Toa goes down, he gets banged up for a
couple of games. You drop them because you're playing good teams.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
At the time.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
You know, like you're on the road against Seattle, you're
not gonna win that game with the backup. You're playing Buffalo,
you know, like it's not gonna happen. And they've lost
too many games. They're probably not gonna make the playoffs.
But you can see it there. You can see the talent.
You can see that they have potential, but it's just
unrealized potential. I think it's even worse than not having
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potential is it's there, it's just not realized.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
With the Dolphins, I think that's fair. I mean, that's
that's a bad thing to say, but hey, at least
it did everything right.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Well, yeah, they didn't, you know, let the time tick
off the clock and have a time out in their
back pocket and just say well, you know, maybe we'll
hit a deep ball.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
That is amazing. That joke's gonna keep going until he
loses his job. Here to tell you, I don't mean
just on this show. I mean throughout the day. Yeah,
don't want to call for somebody's job, but they called
for it themselves. Yeah, no doubt about that, all right.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
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Right after we get off the air here today. All right,
Jay mart So Daniel Jones, former Giants quarterbacks. So the
Giants lost, shocking breaking news. They lost again. They're the
true block experience. Yeah, yeah, screen pass that was deflected
and inner did and did not great. Drew Locke did say, yeah,
(35:03):
I thought I played well enough to start the next
game after.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
What we made in New York. He might not be wrong,
he might not be Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
But Daniel Jones former Giants quarterback, So he was benched.
This was right after the loss to Carolina in Germany,
and the Giants decided, hey, let's bench this freaking guy.
We're moving on without him, and so Daniel Jones then
asked to be released, and so Tom Brady talked about
(35:31):
this during the Giants Cowboys game yesterday on Thanksgiving, and
this is what Tom Brady had to say about Daniel
Jones asking to be released.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
I don't know how the whole situation went down, but
to think that you would ask for a release from
a team that committed a lot to you is maybe different.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Than I would have handled that.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
I always felt I wanted to get the trust and
respect to my teammates, regardless situation, knowing that I was
trying to do.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
The best I could for the team because that was
the most important thing. There's just some different things that happen.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
In the NFL, and everyone makes individual choices, and I
think we're all at points in our career face different challenges.
I based them in college, and some things didn't.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Go the way I wanted.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
But the people that mattered most to me were the
guys in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I showed up every day. I don't care if they
ask me.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
To be Scout team safety, the Scout team quarterback.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I was gonna do whatever I could to help the
team win. Wow.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I mean, I hear Brady on that, Jason, and look,
it didn't end well. For Daniel Jones, and that's that's
a tough cherry on top of a tenure that didn't
work out for Danny Dimes in New York. Is the
Goat saying yeah, I would have pretty much done the
exact opposite of what Daniel Jones did asking for his release.
(36:51):
I sided with Brady on that, But that is a
final last chapter of Daniel Jones in that tenure with
the New York Giants. Man, that's as rough as a gets,
with the Goat on Thanksgivings saying yeah, thumbs down on
that whole decision by Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yeah. I mean, you think about how many guys that
are playing the position now, you know, idolized Tom Brady
or certainly pattern themselves after his success and all these
other kinds of things. The last thing you want is
for that guy that you looked up to while you
were young growing into the role. Of course, you did
(37:26):
pretty well for yourself. He went to a great university,
you were picked in the top ten. You know, you've
won at least one playoff game. Actually you've won exactly
one playoff game as the quarterback of the Giants, and
you've gotten some money and all this other kind of stuff.
But that has to really smart, man, Like the last
thing you want is to hear that guy say yeah,
(37:47):
you know what. Really didn't care for that. Mm hm.
Like I don't know how close you've ever been to
Tom Brady Daniel Jones, but he now he The first
time I've really ever heard him talk about you was
in like the thing that you just kind of like,
go away. This is the Southwest ad pretty much right
that do you want to get away? Yeah? First off,
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you wanted to get away from the giants, but now
everybody else is just glad they're not you, because Tom
Brady on National Television was just kind of like, yeah,
that was unprofessional. Didn't really like that I would have
done from college onward when I ran into adversity, Yeah,
I'd have done exactly the opposite. And that this got
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me to when he asked for the release, I was
thinking to myself and I actually asked, Aaron touris this
week on our Saturday show? A week a guys said Aaron,
which fan base is going to be like super excited
to go land Daniel Jones? And I didn't even mean
his QB one, Like Okay, now he's in Minnesota's QB two. Okay, cool,
he's a backup. He wants to be a starter again.
(38:53):
I don't know if you get that opportunity or not.
But the problem for him wanting the releases, large part
of the problem was him. It wasn't that the team
was dysfunctional around him. That did help. But and you
got rid of Saquon and all this. But Saquon in
Philadelphia was not gonna happen in New York. The stuff
he's doing in Philadelphia wouldn't have happened in New York
because we saw it in New York. It wasn't the
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same and it wouldn't be the same otherwise. But Daniel
Jones has to look at this and recognize it's like,
I mean, Dabel. I don't think Dabel's a bad football coach.
I don't think that Dabell can't succeed as a head
coach in the NFL. I do think he can't succeed
with you as his quarterback, though, So you calling for
the release is almost like I'm too good for this,
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And the answer is no, you're not. Like you're You're
pretty much the main reason why because you played that
position as hard as it is to play that position.
You have played it poorly for a long time. They go,
get Elik Neighbors. Neighbors is a stud. Yeah, and you
guys can't win football games. So and even if you
had played yesterday against Cooper Rush, I still would have
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expected the Cowboys to win. Again. Wow, yeah, maybe they
would have.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
And I like your first point where let's say, let's
keep it in radio. Whoever you look up to, Let's
say you're a Cowherd fan, and you make a decision,
a radio decision, and then cow Herd hits the airwaves
and he's like, I wouldn't do what Jason Martin just
decided to do. What that's that's a bad idea. That
would be pretty tough. Yeah, and think about it. On
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top of the Giants committed to Daniel Jones instead of
Saquon Barkley, and Saquon is going freaking ballistic this year,
so that makes it even worse, all right, j mart
steering the bus. An hour two, the ball of Fay
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I'll tell you who didn't have a happy thing Thanksgiving.
That would be the Chicago Bears. My lord, can.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
You believe like you can lose games? Fine?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
But the way the Bears loss to the Lions without
calling time out as the final thirty seconds just ticked
off the clock and they end up losing that way.
I just can't think of a more embarrassing way. Oh wait, wait,
it's the same team a little bit earlier against the
Washington Commanders giving up a hail mary while one of
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the defensive backs, Tyreek Stevenson, was talking trash to the
crowd as the hail mary was playing out.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
What a disaster for the Bears this season. Man, First off,
happy Thanksgiving, And yes, I don't know what to say
about how that game ended other than the coach and
then the coach afterwards trying to explain it. And I
know we're going to get into the comments. He didn't
(01:56):
totally throw his quarterback under the bus or his team
under the u, but he kind of did. And the
problem was, he said, well, here's what we wanted to do.
We wanted to get it to eighteen and then we
wanted to call that last time out, kick that field goal,
get a few more yards. I like what we did there,
he said. He's like, I like what we did there.
But then you know, we're just gonna have to execute
better and all this kind of stuff, like, coach, listen,
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you had thirty seconds, you got one snap off, You
had a chance very easily to kick a field goal
at the very least, or at least give your team
a better chance into the end zone after the sack.
Neither of those things happened. You had said, you know,
you wanted the quarterback to go ahead and get the
ball snapped. You wanted him to snap it around eighteen seconds,
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and then when he didn't, you just stood there like
you didn't call the time out immediately to help your quarterback,
who maybe was a little overwhelmed in the circumstance. He
had had three touchdowns and played an unbelievable second half
against maybe the best team in football on their field
on Thanksgiving, twelve games into his NFL career. He had
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done everything under the sun for you. Maybe he had
gotten lost in that moment it was super loud, didn't
know the circumstance, didn't know that he had a time
out to burn all these things that happened. By the way,
you called a time out when the clock was stopped,
So we'll also point that out. But all this stuff
is going on, and you're telling me that we just
had to execute it better. So you just stood there
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and let the time keep ticking instead of helping your quarterback,
instead of just calling the time out. We can say, yeah,
Caleb Williams, you know, could have been more aware in
that circumstance for sure, But when you recognize he's not,
you're supposed to help him. That's what you are. You're
the head football coach. You're supposed to, you know, be
that last line of defense that if they can't do it,
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maybe you can short of going on to the field
and actually playing. And yet you didn't. And this is
what bad teams do, Brian. That's my last takeaway is
like you talked about the commander's finish, you can talk
about the block field goal, you can talk about coming
all the way back to then lose to the Vikings
in overtime. All these kinds of things they show the
signs of a team that is that should have a
(04:03):
better record, but they just don't have accountability from their
own head coach. And it was just unthinkable. And if
he were fired today, I would not be surprised because
everybody came for his neck after the game. Chicago media
came after his neck, the you know, the national guys
came after his neck. And apparently there were some tough
talks in the locker room afterwards and stuff. This is
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unthinkably bad for an organization that is, like, you can't
let this quarterback go, You can't let this dude regress,
you can't let him lose his confidence, and all this
other kind of stuff, and they are doing everything they
can to stop from winning games. It's just it's as
comical as it gets. It really is where I get
(04:49):
mad if you probably feel the same way.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
It drives me crazy when a head coach on the
sideline will not call time out to avoid a delay
of game penalty. You know what I mean, Like the clock,
the play clock is ticking down, and the quarterback's got
all this stuff going on. He's trying to get the
play call, he's looking at the defense, and all of
a sudden it's just ticking down, ticking down. He might
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not be aware, and then all of a sudden there's
a delay of game penalty. And I always look at
the head coach and I'm like, what the hell are
you doing?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Call time out? Help your quarterback out.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
What the Bears did yesterday on Thanksgiving against the Lions
was a thousand times worse. This is the end of
the game. This isn't just a random delay of game penalty.
Which could hurt you during the flow of the game.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
This is the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
You gotta time out in your back pocket. There are
thirty seconds to go, and you let it tick down
to six seconds when you snap it, and then you
throw it deep and that's the last play of the game.
That is they talk about cardinal sins in baseball. I
guess we could just deem that a bear's sin. That's
a bear's sin if you just let the time hick
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off the clock while you haven't. My goodness, that can't
have it. I love the Lions radio call the Lions
radio network.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Check this out.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
They're just clowning the Bears like they're not gonna call
time out.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Are you serious? This is the way it ends. Check
this out.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Bears go straight to the line, third and twenty six
from the Lion forty one Williams with ten seconds to
go in the game. Williams with seven Williams with six
takes the snap. This could be the final play of
the game. Froze it deep downfield. It is our games.
It incomplete, that's it, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
What in the world where the Bears game? It's over?
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Man, You talk about the World of Practice managers over.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Man and then like to your point, Jason, at the
end of that calamity, the only thing you can say
as the head coach is I completely watched that. And
what does Matt Eberflu say? Pretty much the exact opposite.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
I think we handled it the right way, and I
do believe that uh just re wreck the play, get
an in bounce and call time out and that's why
we held it and didn't work out the way we
wanted it to.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I think we handled it the right way. No, really,
come on, man, what.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Are we doing? Like, here's how bafflin this is? Right?
So yesterday Dan Byer and Aaron Torres are in the
afternoon doing the Friends Giving show, and so I come
on with them right after the game, and Tim Patrick
is my lead in because they get him fresh off
the field and they're asking him about it, and he's baffled.
He's like, you know what we're standing on silens. We
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don't know what's happening. The Lions don't even understand what's happening.
And at one point Tim's like, I mean they did
have a time out, right, Like he wanted to double
check that outs because it didn't make sense. Yeah, I
say us, I was listening in before coming in. But
he's like they did have a time out, right, Yeah, okay,
Well that that that's all you need to say about that.
I don't need to add like that's literally kind of
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like the opponents are baffled by your stupidity. They're like,
we'll take the we'll take the win. We'll go ahead
and go to eleven to one, and you guys can
lose one of the most ridiculous regular season games ever.
And unfortunately for the Bears, even if this one was
gonna get swept mildly under the rug, not on Thanksgiving
when it was the only thing to watch, Like everybody
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got to see this, when Matt every single person got
to see it. And then they got to see you
in the postgame say, I think we handled it the
right way. No, coach, if you handled it the right way,
you would have done nothing that happened right there, right
And if Caleb and if again, if Caleb Williams, you know,
brain farded in the moment, which is you know it happens,
we understand this. A lot of things go on. We're
all humans. Then you don't just because you called something
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that you think was the right thing. When it goes
to crap on the field, you can still call the
time out like you don't have to, Like you didn't
have to turn your vote in and then all of
a sudden you wanted to change it after the fact. Nope,
noe once you didn't buy you did not buy that
play call coach on a final block Friday sale where
(09:01):
you're not able to return it, Like you easily could
have just called the time out. You still had it.
It's not like you had to look at the ref
and be like, you know, we would call a time
out here, but we did it the right way. But
what are we doing here at this point? I do
not think he should still be the coach. I don't
think he should have been the coach to start this yay,
especially how it's gone this way. I am you cannot
(09:23):
let this guy stan if there were a lot of
people saying he shouldn't have been able to fly home
and all this kind of stuff. I mean, if anybody
deserves to be fired on a holiday, and I hate
calling somebody's job, it's a coach that does that. And
then after the game says that I know, unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, It's uh, if you rewind to the beginning of
the season, well before the beginning of the season, he
never should have been the head coach anyway. This is
a lame duck season. You know, it's the final year
of his contract. Is that the situation? Like Mike McCarthy
with the Cowboys, He's not going to be the head
coach of the future, I'll put it that way. And
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so it's like, why would you start the Caleb Williams
era with a head coach that is hanging on by
a thread and the chances were better than not that
the Bears season with a rookie quarterback? Was it gonna
be good enough to keep Matt Eberfluse going forward as
the Bear's head coach? Why would you start Caleb Williams
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rookie season with this guy as the head coach?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
It just didn't make sense. It was a bad plan
to begin with.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Just blow them out, bring in a new head coach,
start fresh together. Now, what's gonna happen after Caleb Williams
has a rocky rookie season, You bring in another head
coach and you gotta start back.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
At square one again? Why would you deal?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
It was a bad plan to begin with, and I
think the Bears organization got what they deserved with a
bad plan, and then it ends up the way it
did yesterday on Thanksgiving. This this would have been bad
enough if it was, you know, just a random one
pm Eastern start last week. If this was last week's
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ending against the Vikings, that would have been bad enough.
It's way worse on Thanksgiving standalone game. All these football
fans are just feeding their faces and watching ball.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
You don't call.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Time out like the simplest thing, but I do. I
would add Caleb Williams does not deserve a free pass
for this. No, Ibra Flues deserves more blame because he's
got to bail out his quarterback.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
But Caleb Williams knows better than to let the time
run off like that.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
You gotta be better than that being the final play
of the game when you gotta time out. That just
can't be the way it unfolds, for either the quarterback
or the head coach. But I still would blame Eber Flues.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
More if you really look into Caleb's corments. I'm not
positive he knew he had a timeout. I'm not either. Still,
the way he talked about it, that's right, and it
didn't seem like Keenan Allen did either. All of these
are indicative of the same thing. Though You're right, yes,
Caleb needs to be more aware in those circumstances. It
would be a learning experience for him, not a good look,
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get it. But that's where your coach is supposed to
be the leader in the room. That's where your coach
is supposed to be kind of the adult there. That's like, hey,
all right, we got to know the time, we gotta
no distance, we got to know everything here in this moment,
And it seemed like nobody on that Bears team was
on the same page at all, And that is indicative
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of a head coach that does not have control. And
that's the same kind of thing like that Hail Mary
thing is not gonna happen to the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah,
you're not gonna have something like that happen to the Lions.
You're not going to have that happen to good football teams.
They're being run. Well, there's a reason why good things
tend to happen to good teams. You talk about ah Man,
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the Steelers, they're just lucky. Patriots are just lucky like
for so many years in all the Scots off, look
at all these things that went their way. Notice those
things never go the way of teams that are completely discombopulated,
Like there's a reason why certain thing. You put yourself
in circumstances for success instead of failure, And in this
case it was the exact opposite. It was everything that
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possibly could have gone wrong in that moment did. But
your head coach has to be there, or maybe I
don't know, somebody all that staff has to look at
Matt and be like, head coach, you get a you
serious Clark, you're gonna call Tom out here. We just
gonna let this thing go, and you let it go.
And I don't know that they'll let him finish the season.
But to the earlier point, yes, he never should have
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been there at the start of this year. There's no
reason you bring in a rookie quarterback and then keep
the very mediocre, defensive minded head coach who didn't find
ways at all to maximize anything that justin Fields might
have been able to offer him. And then by this
is the thing, what's the best thing about Caleb Williams
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Right now, it's not just that he's good. It's that
he's cheap for a little while and you can build
around him and do things. So because you had the
luxury of able to win some games last year, because
you had Carolina's number one pick, you were able to
go get sweat and you were able to go do
some things and kind of get some things in motion,
so that guys felt a little better coming into the season.
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Then you go get Caleb Williams and then you for
some reason, tied both his hands behind his back by
keeping the same head coach instead of finding an offensive
minded guy or somebody that could come in with him
with a fresh start. So you have not only wasted
a year of his career, you've wasted a year of
his rookie contract. Right. That is mismanagement from the top
like that. That probably if it doesn't just cost Matt Ebrafleus' job, Brian,
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it's also gonna cost Ryan Poles his job, and it
well should. There is absolutely no excuse why you brought
that guy back, because we all could and did tell
you that's not gonna go very well. Why don't you
go find somebody a little bit better? And now you're
gonna do that, But you're gonna have a new coordinator.
You're gonna have a new head coach, and so Caleb's
gonna have to learn all these new things and do
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all this stuff. You have loan a year of Caleb
Williams's career and this rookie contract.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, no, it's a good way to look at it.
Have you seen the movie Rounders with Matt Damon, oh
Ed Norton, Yeah, many times. I want to make a
Rounders comparison with the end of that Bears game coming
up next, right, because there's something that you said that
made me think immediately of a line from that movie,
and it explains the difference between the Bears and the
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Chiefs and the Steelers like teams that are actually well prepared.
We'll get to that right around the corner. Also, Man,
we got a lot to do here, Jason. We've got
a narrative that hasn't changed at all as we look
back at the Thanksgiving Day games and we look forward. Man,
we got a lot of college ball here today on
a black Friday, we got the Raiders and the Chiefs.
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We got a full slate of college ball tomorrow, and
then the NFL on Sunday. The ball buffet is just
under way over here, Jason. You know, we're just getting
our first little I just threw like ham on my plate,
maybe a little bit of turkey.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
That's it. Like with the Thanksgiving Day Games, we still
got a lot.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
More to throw on the plate. So we'll get to
the rounders comparison coming up next. On Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe Live from the Tireck dot Com Studios.
He's Jason Martin. I'm Brian Know, in for the fellas
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
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Speaker 3 (16:32):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Live
from the Tireck dot Com Studios. He's Jason Martin. I'm
Brian Know. We're in for the guys here on Fox
Sports Radio. We'll get to my dolphins sucking again in
cold weather here, Jason, My gosh, it's not even that
cold right.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
It's in the twenties. They made it look like it
was below zero out there, but who doesn't really like, yeah,
he's not been partially cold weather there, Brian, I don't
know if you know that.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah, yeah, we'll get to Tua in the fins here
in a minute. But there's something that you said about
the Bears that made me think of the movie Rounders,
And so your point was was well laid out, where
if you look at the Bears, it's not just random
if it happens once, Okay, maybe it's random if it
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happens three times in a season where they don't call
time out. Yesterday against the Lions, as the time just
ticks away.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
They have one time out remaining unforgivable.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Oh, by the way, there's the hail Mary against the
Washington Commanders. There's the blocked field goal against the Packers,
and the final seconds of a game that they would
have won had they executed a kick. If the kick
gets blocked, you kind of shrug your shoulders and say, oh,
football is crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
You know, that's not exactly the head coach's fault.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
But on top of the hail Mary, and then you
sprinkle in what happened yesterday without calling time out, it's
just not a coincidence. And it makes me think of
the movie Rounders where Matt Damon is talking to his
girlfriend and he says, it's a skill game, Joe, Why
do you think the same guys make it to the
World Series of Poker every year?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Are they the luckiest people in Vegas?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
And that's the difference, right, Like, that's the difference between
the Chiefs and the Bears. The preparation matters a lot.
You're not going to see and this is exactly what
you said, Jason. You're not gonna see the Chiefs give
up a Hail Mary at the end of a game
the same way the Bears did against the Commanders. You're
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definitely not gonna see the Chiefs not called time out
like Mahomes isn't gonna melt down like that. Andy Reid
isn't going to allow Mahomes to melt down like that
without calling a timeout.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
So that's the difference.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
And you could look at this and overlook it and say, hey, hey,
Mahomes is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
Caleb Williams is a daisy fresh rookie. That's just a
silly comparison. It's really not a silly comparison because they're
like checks and balances with the Chiefs, and even if
there is a mistake, there isn't a greater mistake on
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top of it. And Andy Reid would have stepped in
and Matt Eberflus didn't.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
And that's just as basic as it gets.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
You don't have to be on like a Mount Rushmore
trajectory as Mahomes is or Andy Reid is, to just.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Call time out when the time's ticking off the clock.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
That's as basic as it gets for the Bears, and
they're just not prepared for those moments at all.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, no, look, that's right. And again, when your quarterback
clearly didn't have control of that moment, didn't understand what
was happening with the clock and stuff, then you're supposed
to help him. That's your job. That's when you step
in and help your football team and call the time out,
and then you bring him over and say, hey, brother,
we have one, we have one. We need to get
this one. You know, you get it set. But that's
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not what you did. You stood there and let the
time pass, and everybody, including probably your own coaching staff,
is sitting there baffled by everything that happens as you
were making that analogy, which that skill Game one is
dead on. I was thinking about this, like my wife
and I are different when it comes to, you know,
how we learn and think. She's brilliant in math and science,
which is why she's in the career she's in in medicine,
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and I'm hosting a sports talk radio so right now.
So there's differences here. So when I used to do math, Okay,
growing up, it's not that I had no idea how
to do math. I was never that great at math.
But the reason was not because I couldn't add, subtract, divide,
didn't understand processes and all these other kinds of things.
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It was because I was careless, because I would miss
one little detail and it would cost me the question.
So I would take math tests and I would do it,
and I have to show my work, and there would
be one line where I would do something wrong or
I would overlook something and wouldn't go back and check
my work, and then as a result, I would get
that question wrong. Here's what I did not do well, well, Mom,
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well Dad, So I understand that I got a sixty here,
but I mean I did it the right way, like
if you see right here, Like my intent was to
get the question, right, But right here I forgot to
carry this and so I ended up missing the question.
But you understand the intent was good, right, That's what
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Matt Eberflus did. Like no, I said, nah that. You
know what my parents called me when I would bring
that home, and what they tried to just drill out
of me as best as possible was my tendency to
be careless with the details. And when you think about
the Bears, they're careless with the details. You don't have
a dB, you know, chomping at the fans with one
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play left, and a rookie quarterback that can beat you
in Jane Daniels, And that's what you had. Unthinkably, all
of these things together. The field goal, Look, that can happen.
I'm a Broncos fan. Yeah, we lost to the Chiefs
because of a block field goal a couple of weeks ago.
But do you know what other negative things have happened
this year with the Broncos? No me either, Yeah, that
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can happen to anybody. All of these things together indicate
a team that is not functioning properly. And usually when
a company is not functioning properly, there is somewhere going
up the chain where there is a big time problem
or somebody that's in a job that shouldn't be there,
that should be a step or two below. I don't know,
maybe not maybe not a head coach, but a coordinator somewhere,
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And in this case, your head coach is not a
head coach. And then even after the game, failing to
take accountability is another spot where if you needed a reason,
like if I had wanted, if I was somebody in
the Bears front office, or if I was Kevin Warren,
if I wanted him to do the thing that would
make it easy for me to let him go today,
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that's what he did after the game. It's almost like
I I go up to him, Hey, we're gonna fire
you tomorrow, so just sound really really arrogant, Yeah dumb,
yeah here in this pro make it easier on us.
It'll look right, it'll make sense for us to fire
you tomorrow. There'll be no like sympathy for you or
anything else. Just go out and say we did things
(23:19):
the right way and then kind of sort of throw
your team under the bus real quick. That way it
feels like you've lost them. Let's just make this whole
thing real easy. We'll make it smooth, like butter will
fire you, and you'll say exactly the thing that makes
it obvious that we should fire you. That's what happened.
They did it on the field, and then he did
it in the press conference.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
No, it's so true, man, it feels exactly like that.
And I know that's not the truth. I know that's
not what you're saying it is, but it does. It
feels like if they said, hey, Matt, we're gonna fire you,
if you could just say something that would make us
look like of course they have to fire him, and
he just he's like, I got it, you know, I
got just the thing for you.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
How about this? How about thought we handled it the
right way?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
And they're like, yeah, I get yes, Yes, let just
go with that perfect.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Ah. Just a disaster.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Well, speaking of disasters, here on Fox Sports Radio, Jason Martin,
how about Miami Dolphins here as their record sinks even
further in sub forty degree whether they have lost twelve
straight games when the temperature is below forty degrees as
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they lost to the Packers last night, And listen, I
don't think Tua was a disaster at all. You look
at his final numbers. He threw for three hundred and
sixty five yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
But I think this is partially.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Where numbers can lie to you, where if you think
of the sequence before halftime, Jason, you can look and say, hey, well, Tua,
he completed thirty seven of forty six passes. That's really good.
Where was the running game? If anything, Tua was the
reason they were in that game. All of those things
are true, but there are subtle things that are missed
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that lead to losses. And before halftime, the Dolphins are driving,
they're trailing. It's I believe twenty one to six at
the time, and the Dolphins are driving, They're in field
goal range, they've got fourth down, they go for it,
and Tua's got an open running back, devon Ah Chain
is open, and Tua just airmailed it incomplete. Packers take
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over Packers with like twenty two seconds left something like that.
They move the ball down the field, getting field goal range,
hit a field goal that's at minimum a six point turnaround,
and you're trailing at halftime twenty four to six, and
you're playing catch up even more.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
And so you could look at his numbers.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
And say, man, he threw for three hundred and sixty
five yards, no interceptions, a couple of touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
So what's the problem.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
It's the little things, and right before halftime that sequence
plays into all those things, all those little careless penalties,
muffing a punt and you're immediately giving up a touchdown
and playing catch up. Those are the little things that
Dolphins didn't do well. On top of oh, I don't know,
getting man handled into trenches where you can't run the ball.
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That's an issue, and that leads to a Dolphins loss.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Again.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Man, they just they can't get out of their own
way in the cold.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
No, they can't, and they were It was interesting that
that game actually had stakes because there was a time,
probably within the last few weeks, where you thought maybe
it wouldn't, that it would for Green Bay, but it
wouldn't for Miami. Miami's still in the hunt. Like that's
the that's the I think that's the tough part for you,
Brian Is as a Dolphins fan. You guys can't afford
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any of this, Like if you want to get there,
if you're healthy and you do have a collection of
skill talent, and you guys look a lot different when
Tua is the quarterback of the team. But this just
I think this goes to not instill much confidence in
in that organization. Right now, McDaniel has been he's been
lauded by a lot of a lot of the analytics
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guys and a lot of people that just have been
around him. He seems like a really good guy and
all this kind of stuff. I wouldn't say that he's
been great as the head coach, Like, I don't know
that you're gonna bring anybody better in and so I
kind of hope he does get another opportunity. But at
the same time, what's the ceiling on this team? Because
it seemed like a year ago, maybe a little over
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a year ago, you felt a lot better about it
than you do now Now you watch it and you
just say, this kind of feels like a missed opportunity
that's going to happen, like one that we can talk
about in the present, but look ahead to the future
and say, yeah, you know what, this is not it.
This is not actually going to pay off, but it
could have because and I don't know what the there's
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disparate parts here, and there's just things that aren't quite right.
But there seems so close. It feels like Miami is
like a fools goal kind of team. Like it's easy
to potentially get excited watching it, but there's just enough
wrong or just enough that could go wrong, especially if
the temperature drops below a certain degree where you just
you're never gonna feel comfortable about anything that's going on.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's just I think the bottom line is
they're just not good enough, you know. I think that's
where they are as a team, and then you can
look individually from there and like big picture, I think
one of the things hurting the Dolphins the lack of
a pass rush they lost.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
It's nice to have Bradley Chubb this year.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Bradley Chubb got hurt at the end of last season.
Jalen Phillips got hurt toward the end of last season.
Jalen Phillips played a little bit this season and then
got banged up again. He's on the shelf again. So
having those two guys out hurts a lot. And it's
just like they show you glimpses of their ceiling and
it's really exciting what you're talking about. There's skill position players,
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and you bring in John new Smith.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
He's been really good for the Dolphins. He had a night,
he had ten catches last night. But they're they're just
not good enough and the head coach isn't good enough,
you know, Tua.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
As much as it pains me to say this, he's
not good enough with where the Dolphins currently are constructed
to really do.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
You think McDaniel should be gone? Like you just said,
he's not good enough? Do you? Are you kind of
over the Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Experiment, Yes, yeah, I'm over it. Where listen, I don't
think he's bad. I think he's good enough for them
to be one of those teams in the mix. They're
they're kind of like a an offensive version of the Steelers, right,
kind of like the Steelers are more defensive minded and
they're good and they're gonna win games, but they're.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Not gonna go anywhere of real note.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
You know, in the playoffs, it's just not We know
that they're not going to have a deep run because
of their limitations. And that's how I look at the Dolphins.
They're like the yin to the Steelers Yang. Like the
Steelers are more defensive and they have a lower ceiling.
The Dolphins a little more offensive and they have just
a lower ceiling because collectively they're not good enough to
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really get to the promised Land. And Mike McDaniel, I
don't think he's bad. I just don't think he adjusts
well enough. He'll have a plan and if it works, great.
If it doesn't work, he's kind of like, oh, shoot,
I guess this plan doesn't work, and we're gonna take
the l Like it's like we're the adjustments.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
I've heard I've seen that critique before is like he
comes in with a game plan and if you have
that thing mapped, then you've got him. Yeah, sort of
like the way that Cliff Kingsbury has been looked at.
He has one offensive plan and then once it's figured out,
you get diminishing returns from it, Like you have to
be able to adjust and things like that. The other
critique i've heard about McDaniel is just so he gets
too cute, Like he does like stuff that you would
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do in Madden, but not stuff that necessarily is going
to pay dividends on an actual football field, and as such,
when it doesn't work, it's like, oh, that would have
been so good, right, but that doesn't mean anything. Yeah,
Like it's great that you were creative, but at the
same time, you also have to be efficient and move
the football down the field. And sometimes I think you
can overcute yourself, and I think maybe that's one of
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his tendencies.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Also, Yeah, right, it's to me, Mike McDaniel, he's kind
of like a baseball pitcher where he just doesn't have
a good secondary pitch. He's like a pitcher that shows
up and is like, oh, shoot, I guess they're hitting
my cutter, and that's that's what I will rely on.
Like I make my living on my cutter, so I
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guess I'm just gonna give up a bunch of runs
here tonight. Like it's like, really, that's it. There's no
there's no secondary pitch that you can rely on, or
like Kershaw, this makes his living on his curveball. If
Kershaw only made his living on his curveball and they
were hitting it that night and he's just like, well,
I can't really mix it up.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
This is all I do. It's like, Bro, you can't
approach pitching that way.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
It just feels like Mike McDaniel approaches coaching like that
too much, where this is very simplistic, but there's a
lack of adjusting, and you just.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Can't go down with the ship. You've got to change
it up.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
You gotta do something else if what your plan was
isn't working and there's just too little adjusting from Mike McDaniel.
So and this is one of those years, Jason, where
Hey Toa goes down, he gets banged up for a
couple of games. You drop them because you're playing good teams.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
At the time.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
You know, like you're on the road against Seattle, you're
not gonna win that game with the backup. You're playing Buffalo,
you know, like it's not gonna happen. And they've lost
too many games. They're probably not gonna make the playoffs.
But you can see it there. You can see the talent.
You can see that they have potential, but it's just
unrealized potential. I think it's even worse than not having
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potential is it's there, it's just not realized.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
With the Dolphins, I think that's fair. I mean, that's
that's a bad thing to say, but hey, at least
it did everything right.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Well, yeah, they didn't, you know, let the time tick
off the clock and have a time out in their
back pocket and just say well, you know, maybe we'll
hit a deep ball.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
That is amazing. That joke's gonna keep going until he
loses his job. Here to tell you, I don't mean
just on this show. I mean throughout the day. Yeah,
don't want to call for somebody's job, but they called
for it themselves. Yeah, no doubt about that, all right.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Coming up next on Two Pros and a Cup of
Joe Live from the Tyreck dot Com Studios. This was
a bad ending to a player's career with a certain team.
It's even worse when a big name says what he
said about the ending of that career with this certain team.
We'll get to that coming up right around the corner.
He's Jason Martin. I'm Brian Know. We're in for the
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Right after we get off the air here today. All right,
Jay mart So Daniel Jones, former Giants quarterbacks. So the
Giants lost, shocking breaking news. They lost again. They're the
true block experience. Yeah, yeah, screen pass that was deflected
and inner did and did not great. Drew Locke did say, yeah,
(35:03):
I thought I played well enough to start the next
game after.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
What we made in New York. He might not be wrong,
he might not be Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
But Daniel Jones former Giants quarterback, So he was benched.
This was right after the loss to Carolina in Germany,
and the Giants decided, hey, let's bench this freaking guy.
We're moving on without him, and so Daniel Jones then
asked to be released, and so Tom Brady talked about
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this during the Giants Cowboys game yesterday on Thanksgiving, and
this is what Tom Brady had to say about Daniel
Jones asking to be released.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
I don't know how the whole situation went down, but
to think that you would ask for a release from
a team that committed a lot to you is maybe different.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Than I would have handled that.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
I always felt I wanted to get the trust and
respect to my teammates, regardless situation, knowing that I was
trying to do.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
The best I could for the team because that was
the most important thing. There's just some different things that happen.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
In the NFL, and everyone makes individual choices, and I
think we're all at points in our career face different challenges.
I based them in college, and some things didn't.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Go the way I wanted.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
But the people that mattered most to me were the
guys in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I showed up every day. I don't care if they
ask me.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
To be Scout team safety, the Scout team quarterback.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I was gonna do whatever I could to help the
team win. Wow.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I mean, I hear Brady on that, Jason, and look,
it didn't end well. For Daniel Jones, and that's that's
a tough cherry on top of a tenure that didn't
work out for Danny Dimes in New York. Is the
Goat saying yeah, I would have pretty much done the
exact opposite of what Daniel Jones did asking for his release.
(36:51):
I sided with Brady on that, But that is a
final last chapter of Daniel Jones in that tenure with
the New York Giants. Man, that's as rough as a gets,
with the Goat on Thanksgivings saying yeah, thumbs down on
that whole decision by Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yeah. I mean, you think about how many guys that
are playing the position now, you know, idolized Tom Brady
or certainly pattern themselves after his success and all these
other kinds of things. The last thing you want is
for that guy that you looked up to while you
were young growing into the role. Of course, you did
(37:26):
pretty well for yourself. He went to a great university,
you were picked in the top ten. You know, you've
won at least one playoff game. Actually you've won exactly
one playoff game as the quarterback of the Giants, and
you've gotten some money and all this other kind of stuff.
But that has to really smart, man, Like the last
thing you want is to hear that guy say yeah,
(37:47):
you know what. Really didn't care for that. Mm hm.
Like I don't know how close you've ever been to
Tom Brady Daniel Jones, but he now he The first
time I've really ever heard him talk about you was
in like the thing that you just kind of like,
go away. This is the Southwest ad pretty much right
that do you want to get away? Yeah? First off,
(38:09):
you wanted to get away from the giants, but now
everybody else is just glad they're not you, because Tom
Brady on National Television was just kind of like, yeah,
that was unprofessional. Didn't really like that I would have
done from college onward when I ran into adversity, Yeah,
I'd have done exactly the opposite. And that this got
(38:31):
me to when he asked for the release, I was
thinking to myself and I actually asked, Aaron touris this
week on our Saturday show? A week a guys said Aaron,
which fan base is going to be like super excited
to go land Daniel Jones? And I didn't even mean
his QB one, Like Okay, now he's in Minnesota's QB two. Okay, cool,
he's a backup. He wants to be a starter again.
(38:53):
I don't know if you get that opportunity or not.
But the problem for him wanting the releases, large part
of the problem was him. It wasn't that the team
was dysfunctional around him. That did help. But and you
got rid of Saquon and all this. But Saquon in
Philadelphia was not gonna happen in New York. The stuff
he's doing in Philadelphia wouldn't have happened in New York
because we saw it in New York. It wasn't the
(39:14):
same and it wouldn't be the same otherwise. But Daniel
Jones has to look at this and recognize it's like,
I mean, Dabel. I don't think Dabel's a bad football coach.
I don't think that Dabell can't succeed as a head
coach in the NFL. I do think he can't succeed
with you as his quarterback, though, So you calling for
the release is almost like I'm too good for this,
(39:36):
And the answer is no, you're not. Like you're You're
pretty much the main reason why because you played that
position as hard as it is to play that position.
You have played it poorly for a long time. They go,
get Elik Neighbors. Neighbors is a stud. Yeah, and you
guys can't win football games. So and even if you
had played yesterday against Cooper Rush, I still would have
(39:57):
expected the Cowboys to win. Again. Wow, yeah, maybe they
would have.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
And I like your first point where let's say, let's
keep it in radio. Whoever you look up to, Let's
say you're a Cowherd fan, and you make a decision,
a radio decision, and then cow Herd hits the airwaves
and he's like, I wouldn't do what Jason Martin just
decided to do. What that's that's a bad idea. That
would be pretty tough. Yeah, and think about it. On
(40:23):
top of the Giants committed to Daniel Jones instead of
Saquon Barkley, and Saquon is going freaking ballistic this year,
so that makes it even worse, all right, j mart
steering the bus. An hour two, the ball of Fay
continues
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