November 24, 2023 • 43 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, The guys talk the end of the Pac 12 with the last weekend coming up on us, they go over the NFL Thanksgiving games, and so much more!
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
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Black Friday. We've got one NFL game, bunch of college games.
More importantly, though, Jeff, how was Thanksgiving? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Was it good?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
It was good? You know, I had to reload a
parlay after the first the first NFL game of the day.
I think, like most of the country, I had to
reload a parlay. No sorry, I had as a teaser leg.
I had a teaser leg I had to be reloaded.
And you know it was good Thanksgiving. You know, lots
of football obviously, and I think we have a lot
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of sort of answers on where the NFL is after
even just three games yesterday, which is always important to have.
And today is what possibly could be the final Civil
War in the history of Oregon Oregon State, which is wild.
I think this is the fine, Brian. This is the
final weekend of Pack twelve football.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I mean, there's obviously Changion game next weekend, but like,
this is it, Like this is a conference started in
nineteen fifteen, it's playing its final weekend of college football,
and it starts today with a game. I mean, the
Civil warring has been played since. Like it's it's one
of those rivalries that I don't think people realize has
been played as long as it has. I think it's
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it's up there as far as one of the longest
running rivalries in college football. I'm pretty sure it started
in the eighteen hundreds. Let me make sure to put it.
I mean it started in eighteen ninety four. Wow, so
they've played a lot of football games together. You know,
sixty seven, forty nine and ten an all time series
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for Oregons. So there's you know, it's been played a
long long time and it ends presuming not presumably, but
it ends today without any sort of adjustment to schedules
next year. It's pretty crazy, man.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
You know what tells you how long it's been played?
The ten like there are no ties anymore, right, so
there are ties in the all time series.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
Well, it's been around for a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
The most famous one was the nineteen eighty three Toilet Bowl.
It was zero to zero. Oh god, turnovers it was
playing you know, if you saw the game last weekend
went to Orgston and Washington in the rain. It was
played in that weather. Eleven fumbles sorry ex feature eleven
and fumbles, six for turnovers, five interceptions for miss field goals.
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Oregon also scored twice but got called back on penalties,
but ended zero to zero.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I'm sure a young maybe teenager crack told his dad
to take the under.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
You know, it would not surprise me.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Bill Krackenberger are sports handicapper. You know he's probably on
the under in that game.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, I mean it's I would imagine he is, and uh,
it's uh, you know, it's it's it's a bummer, it is.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
It is because it's been such a good season for
the Pac twelve also, and it's it's crazy to see
it go. But like you're saying, Oregon State against Oregon
that's at eight thirty Eastern time tonight, and that's that's
that's the last installment, like you said, most likely unless
they're like, hey, you know, it's twenty forty seven for
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old time sake, let's tee it up, you know. That's Look, man,
I I think that some of the change is going
to be fun and fresh and interesting, and who's not
going to want to see the Ducks go up against
Ohio State or Michigan. There's going to be some good.
But some of these people like it doesn't have to
be one or the other. It doesn't have to be
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all bad with realignment, it doesn't have to be all good.
It's a blend. It's a mixture of both.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Well, like you mentioned that, because here's the way I
sort of look at a conference realignment. Obviously, for those
who are unaware, and I don't know why you've never
heard me before, good morning. How good things getting come?
I do packed over, Yeah, I do pack too, radio
done it for for five years now. I grew up
in Los Angeles. My parents are used to alums. I
went to Oregon, so I'm very you know, invested in
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West Coast football. And and you know, college football is
unique in that, you know, how n't see how popular
it is is. It's the second most popular sport in
the country. But there's two ways to view college football.
There's the regional way, which is obviously sort of part
of my job, right and sort of my childhood. And
then there's the national way. And I also cover you know,
college sports nationally right for Fox Sports and when we
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do this show and whatnot, So I have both those lenses.
Regionally commentary alignment stinks, right, because you know all these
matchups all this like Scartisians Oregon went to Arizona State
last weekend and my Ducks like have this terrible history
of playing in the desert November, like we've lost so
many games as big favorites in that state. I played
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twice there in November, and I left in Arizona, not
Arizona State, but just in the desert alone and Brian
I left both games without a starting quarterback. Like it
just it's one of those places. It's just like it's
hard to play in the desert November. And you know,
Oregon struggles with Stanford and we're always good against this school,
and so you lose all of that scar tissue and
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all that shared history and tradition when you go to
the Big Ten, right, But nationally, as you mentioned, we
get much better football games. Instead of Oregon Cal it's
now Oregon Penn State or Oregon Wisconsin. And but you know, again,
I have to like relearn like who's going to be
our Stanford? Who's going to be We go to Stanford
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every year and like in early October and have a
stinker who is actually Purdue?
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Now?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Is Iowa the new Arizona for us? And you have
to relearn all these You have to relearn all these
sort of rivalries and scar tissues and whatnot. So that's
the part to me that you know, I not that
I'm being stubborn, old headed about I mean, I'll learn it,
of course, but I kind of liked what I already
knew about college football and the rivalries already knew about.
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So you know, again things are changing. I've accepted it. Obviously.
I'm a little bum because I gamble on the PAC
twelve and I'm really good at it. Now I've got
to either learn the big ten or just kind of
sort of stop giving out public picks. Nonetheless, here's where
we are, the last robbery weekend in the Pact. But look,
there's the last rubber weekend. And you know sec IS.
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You know they're they're changing their conference, you know, alignment
next year, So you know, a lot of a lot
of robberies just might not continue in the same way
moving forward.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, I think that's what's hard to wrap your mind around,
is how different it is than the NFL. For instance,
think about the three games yesterday. Imagine if it's a
great rivalry between the Seahawks and the forty nine ers.
Imagine if they were like, yeah, that's the last time
we might play each other, maybe twenty years from now,
just for the heck of it, but that's pretty much
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the last time we're gonna play due to realignment.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
It would blow your mind, you know, Like can.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
You imagine if the Commanders and the Cowboys they just
didn't play again for two more decades? Like like college
football will do. It'd be pretty crazy, but hey, man,
that's just where we're at in college football.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Brian, I've said this for a long time and I
I really do believe it. And when we talk about
these sports, I talk about differently. They are two different sports.
I know people try to say, oh, it's a football.
They're not the same thing, man, Like, even the football
is not the same. Like we would never I don't
think we ever say college bats and NBA are the same.
I've never heard anyone say that before. Right it comes
to football, it's just say no, they're different. The football
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is different, the field marketings are different, right, Like, the
scheduling is different, the playoff system, it's all different. It's
a completely different sport. And they're both. NFL and college
football are both great in their own ways. I prefer
if you're asking me, like, I'd rather much ether watch
the NFL. I feel like college football is just a
different my team I root for obviously, but it's a
different vibe when you watch college football. But they're not
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the same thing. And just treat them. And you have
to say, and when you talk about the sports or
watch consumers, there's different sports. You understand you're consuming a
different sport when you watch college football or the NFL,
So I think people sometimes kind of love them together,
then they're not the same thing.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, we've got a lot of time to look back
at what happened yesterday. Yeah, look forward to today and
the weekend and all that stuff. But of the three
NFL games, so we had the Packers pull a minor
shocker against the Lions and win the game. Like you said,
some people are reloading the teasers or the parlays to
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the first NFL game of the day. Then you had
the Cowboys just destroy Washington forty five to ten. You
had the forty nine ers look pretty dominant against the Seahawks.
I know the Seahawks made a little push to begin
the second half and the Niners were like, okay, pipe
down Seattle and they won with ease by eighteen points.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Of those three games.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Which game not just yesterday but going forward right when
we're starting to look at the playoff picture and everything,
which game do you think was the most significant?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Probably Seattle in the forty nine ers because the Niners
are gonna win the NFC West now, and there was
you know, there was a one game difference between those
two those two schools, and then they play again fairly
soon too. There's one. Now it's two games, and I
think there's a real chance Seattle is not a playoff team. Yeah,
and that's what it showed the last six games for
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Seattle off the top of my head, because I've waged
on some of them and pay attention. They have just
played sort of average football.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
They went to the Bengals six weeks ago and you know,
they put a terrible red zone game and lost. Came home.
But the Cardinals barely cover the Cardinals, you know, they
barely beat the Commanders, and the Browns need to they
need to come back to beat the Browns like they
just you know, Rams beat them last week. They're just okay, right,
but you look at the at their schedule the next
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couple of weeks, it's it's it's teams they're not going
to be favored against. And there's not a lot of
margin for Airy. Now, the NFC is much easier than
the AFC as far as sort of where you know,
the seventh place team, the record on that can be
eight to nine. Probably to get in nine to eight
probably surely gets you in the NFC. So they might
still make it a seventh seed, but like they're not
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a legitimate sort of contender to do much of anything
I think in you know, in in this in the
playoffs at all, they kind of That was my takeaway
from that game, and I think I think yesterday my
overall sort of vibe and takeaway is that we sort
of the NFC sort of separate itself yesterday. We know
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Tier one and Tier two and the Tier two teams
are Cowboys and Lions. Like, can those teams beat? Can
those teams beat you know, what's the way to put it.
Can those teams beat the Eagles and Niners? Probably not?
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's the thing to me is you look at the
Lions and look, man, it's a long season. They lost
a nationally televised standalone game against the Packers yesterday. It
was embarrassing and there might be a knee jerk reaction
to sort of write them off. I'm not doing that,
but it was a significant day because they get leapfrogged
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by the Niners. The Niners are now the two seed
in the NFC. The Lions fall down. You look at
the defense, So these are the last but these are
four of the last five games, what they've given up
points wise, They give up thirty eight on the road
against the Ravens, they give up thirty eight on the
road against the Chargers, then they give up twenty six
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to the Bears and twenty nine yesterday to the Packers.
That not all defense, I mean sometimes there are some
there are some defensive scores, right, Like Jared Goff was
a turnover machine yesterday, turned it over three three times
for two weeks.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
So that's the thing with the Lions is as they're
starting to fall in the seating standings, if you will,
right for the playoffs, rolling around, and they've gotten destroyed
defensively the last two road games, how good are you
feeling about the Lions' chances to do major damage come
playoff time on the road if they're playing a game
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or two of significance on the road.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
I don't feel great at all.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You've got a defense that's getting shredded, and you've got
Jared Goff who's a turnover machine.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
That is not a good combination at all.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yeah. I think I think you're again you're sort of
separating the nine Ers and Eagles away from the Lions
and Cowboys in my opinion. And look, here's here's the
thing is, you have a situation where you have, you know,
you're led by Jared Goff. And as much as Jared
Goff has improved since the sort of his time at
the end with the Rams there, it's still Jared Goff
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and you're just not gonna win anything important with him
at this you know, at this point of his career.
That's not really not a knock on him, it's just
where he is in his career. He's sort of showed
that the last couple of weeks, Like you're just it's
just he's just not a guy that is going to
get you three playoff ways to get to Super Bowl. Yeah. Right,
it's just not gonna happen, especially when you're playing the
Eagles and you're playing the forty nine ers. Presumer, it's
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just not gonna happen. And that's okay, it's I mean,
it's what they the Lions trying to draft a quarterback
at Hateen Hooker. But but I have to address that
position in my opinion in the off season. Obviously, defense
still a big problem for them. As you mentioned, their
defensive numbers have been bad the last month or so,
but I think it's just golf's not not good enough
to get you to that place. Dan Campll's done a
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great job. But he deserves credit for what he's done.
This year, he might win Coach of the Year still,
I don't know how it ends. And he's definitely built
this organization up to be a winner, which has been
a long struggle for the Lions, and he deserves credit
and praise for that. But but Brian that if the
idea is like the Lions are competitive in the NFC,
that they're not gonna be just not And it's okay,
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it's but you really see when the Chiefs struggle, we
can say, well they've shown this before, They've won two
Super Bowls the last four years. Like that. That's that's
thinking have benefit of the doubt. When the Lions struggle
last two weeks, as they're sending to the top of
the mountain, that becomes concerned, right because we haven't seen
them correct this. Yeah, they haven't been in this spot before,
and so I think there is is certainly worry about
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the defense and then the turnovers with golf.
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We're in for two Pros and a cup of Joe today. Jeff,
have you have you either been pulled over? You know,
gotten a ticket? Have has that happened? Is that on
the resume for you?
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I have been. I got pulled over in Detroit one
time when I was playing for the Lions. That got
I think that got removed because he gave me a
a forty. I was going forty four and a forty
that's what we put on my ticket. Oh wow, it's
a long story, but basically that it was like ten
o'clock at night. I was leaving dinner and we I
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was driving my my pickup truck had tined windows on it,
legal tint, and I think that the police officer thought
maybe I was, you know, gonna be someone else and
pulled over. I was kind of surprised to see that
I was not what he thought. And he's been a
I don't know, like I said it radio. It wasn't
be nice about it. So I told the Lions that
we got it removed. Forty four and forty is ridiculous.
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I wasn't. I wasn't speeding. Yeah, he pulled me over,
thought I'd be someone else. I wasn't, and it wasn't.
And I don't drink, so he was accusing me of drinks,
like you've been drinking and I haven't you I'm like, nope,
don't drink. Like it was just ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I wasn't expecting, you know, if the story starts off,
So it was a forty mile per hour zone, right,
I wasn't expecting the speed to be forty.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Four, yeah, wrote he wrote. He wrote forty four to
forty on the ticket.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Well, I bring this up because if you've been pulled
over before, everybody knows that feeling when you hear the
siren when you look and you see the lights and
you do the math and you're like, oh shoot, that's
for me, you know what I mean, Like, oh yeah,
he's pulling me over it.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And you're like, oh no, that's how I.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Feel with what I have called now, Jeff, the prety police.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Okay, oh okay, the.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Brock prety police are out there in full force, and
you better be going the speed lim because they'll pull
you over and they like you're the one your experience.
They will not be nice, they will not be cordial,
they will not be forgiving whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They will be like a pack of wild.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Wolverine or hyenas, and they are just looking for an
opening to gnaw your juggular. That's the party police right there.
And last night the Nighters got another win. Brock Purdy,
I mean overall he played really well. He had the
one pick six which hurt his numbers, hurt his passer
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rating and all of that, but all things considered, played
pretty well. It just made me think of this, Jeff,
because of what you just got done explaining. We were
looking at the games yesterday and looking at some of
the teams that might be playoff pretenders, playoff contenders that
sort of thing. It's the same thing with individual players.
And although I give brock Purty as flowers, especially this season,
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he's played really well. I give him credit. The playoffs
are a different animal. I don't know why the pretty
police insist on crowning this guy after like week ten
or week twelve, or let me know when he does
something huge come playoff time, because until that happens, I'm
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skeptical and I'm wondering if he's a less good looking
Jimmy Garoppolo. They won a bunch of regular season games
with Jimmy g and then when the playoffs rolled around
and it was that special play that needed to be
made on a big stage, he faltered. And I don't
know why we're acting as if brock Perty has passed
that test when he hasn't yet.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
So I'm just saying, pretty Police, they'll pull you over
in the.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Ball I think I think a cople of are true.
I think Party is better than we probably thought initially.
He'd be right, so he definitely That's part of the
discussion is like, well, you know, you discount of him
when he was started coording, and now he's better. Okay,
he's I think it's official to say that he is
a a Again, he's barely played in full sixteen games
of his career. That when it's okay to qualify things
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when sort of everything is with him right, when his
team is whole, He's a very good quarterback. There's no
doubt about it. It's very good. We've shown that now
over the full year of basically a sample size. It's
very good. When things aren't as when he's not as whole,
we've seen right the three game losing straight it's he's
not as good now. That could be made, the case
be made for many quarterbacks that are like that, right, Ryan, Yeah,
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So I think it's fair to say he has established
himself now as a good quarterback in the NFL. Right now,
the question is whether we go if you draft him,
where do you draft him? If you did a it
started over who knows, who cares, It doesn't matter in
this offense. He has proven himself to be plenty capable
and plenty good. So now the next step in the
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discussion is that can he take you to a you know,
can you win a playoff game with him?
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Right?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Because that's now the next step we have. We have
determined that he is a good regular season quarterback, and a
lot of quarterbacks in the NFL are good in the
regular season. The next step is determining whether or not
he is that guy that takes the Niners to a
super Bowl or not. And that's okay to say, like,
we don't know that next step right now. Brian is
gonna be good or not? We don't know. He hasn't
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done it before. And you know, last year they won
a playoff game. He didn't have to throw the ball
very much, and then he got hurt in the Eagles game.
I would love to see the rematch coming up soon,
which I imagine we'll see nine ersne Egle is going
to meet again. Hopefully perty is healthy, and we'll get
we'll get our answer about whether or not he's that
guy in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
You know, I would compare the party police, Jeff, very
similar to the Lamar Jackson Police.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Oh yeah, where it was.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
You didn't give this guy a chance from the beginning,
before he was drafted. You thought he should be a
wide receiver than a quarterback. Now what it's just been
a steady diet of now what he won MVP, Like, now,
what do you have to say and then the players
have rolled around Jeff numerous times and it has not
gone well. They were one seed against the Titans, didn't
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get it done.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
They uh what.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
They were on the road against Buffalo, threw a pick
six to lose the game in a very low scoring game. Yeah,
he has not been good in the playoffs at all.
The first year, this is rookie season. They were chanting
for Joe Flacco to come in against the Chargers. Right,
it has not been good at all, And the Lamar
Jackson police have been very very quiet once the playoffs
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have rolled a round.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's just a public service announcement for the purty police
out there that get a little bit too lippy off
of Week eight. You know, you might would have toned
it down just a little bit because the playoffs are
a different animal.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
So it's worth pointing out because I think this is
something that we don't talk about enough when it comes
to the discussion of NFL players or NFL teams, is
that you have to discuss some relatives to your expectations
on what they're going to be. Right. So if I
tell you, like, okay, well, you know, brock Party has
now sort of passed past. The point of the expectation
is is that he's a good like the baseline, right,
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good regis quarterback. He's on a team. He's on a
team now that has Super Bowl aspirations. So next thing
is like, okay, well, what are the expectations now that
he's made the playoffs until we change the way we
view him because the expectations are different now, Right, he's
passed the first test. Now I have to see him
do it in the playoffs year over year and get
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the team through Super Bowl before we declare he's a
a good playoff quarterback.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Same with with Lamar.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Right, great, the regular season, he's passed that test, the expectations,
he's passed that test. Now the expectation for Lamar, especially
this season is how deep in the playoffs can can
he get? Now he's gonna be judged on that expectation,
and so what pretty come playoff time?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
You know, we're gonna judge our guy, Kevin wired right
now as if this is a playoff atmosphere update you
know what I mean? Oh yeah, this' is that regular
season type stuff over here, keV. This is the playoffs,
so our grading system is going to be a lot different.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Alrighty, the pressure is on, right, Okay, I'm feeling I'm
feeling it here. Well, Thanksgiving it often does feel like
a playoff atmosphere does in it, especially since we had
several contending teams in action. The nightcap the forty nine
Ers and Seahawks, the Niners cementing their grip on that
NFC West where they thirty one to thirteen beatdown of Seattle,
(26:30):
the Seahawks clinging to a wildcard spot themselves. In that game,
Rock Purty did throw a pick six, but otherwise I
did play adequately enough two hundred nine yards and a touchdown.
It was Semac though, leading the way on the offense
one hundred and fourteen rushing yards a couple of touchdowns there.
He also caught twenty five pass or twenty five passing
yards through the air. The middle game the Cowboys, a
(26:51):
dismantlement of the Commanders forty five to ten. Dak Prescott
absolutely carving up that Washington defense here in thirty one
passing yards, four touchdowns, but it was the defense in particular.
A Deron Bland. He's become the pick six king. He
is now five. He has five pick six is on
the season that sets a new NFL record. And the
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first game of the day Packers and Lions, and this
one looked like it was gonna be a blowout, but
the Lions give them credit for making adjustments and slowly
clawing their way back, although they did end up just
short twenty nine to twenty two to the final. Green
Bay does win it, but the Packers were off to
a twenty to six lead after one quarter in twenty
three to six at halftime, but the Lions making the adjustments,
(27:37):
holding green Bay to just six points total in that
second half, and Jordan Love played pretty well as the
Utah State graduate two hundred and sixty eight yards and
three touchdowns. We do have a game on Black Friday
for the first time. Yeah, coming up at three o'clock
Eastern time on Prime Video. It'll be an AFC East
(27:57):
matchup between the Dolphins and the Jet over at the Meadowlands.
So a lot more football on TAPP and then we
got College Action two coming up later today as well.
We do have some ranked teams in action. We have
number thirteen Oklahoma at home against TCU that'll kick off
at noon over on Fox Number seventeen Iowa and Nebraska.
(28:19):
The total for that one twenty four and a half points. Oh,
I don't think I've ever seen a point total that low,
but that's what it is. Number seventeen Iowa, Nebraska, and
I'd probably take that, honestly. That kicks off at noon
as well over on CBS at three thirty, it'll be
number twenty three, two Lane hosting UTSA at four, number
nine in Missouri and Arkansas. Then we got some games
(28:40):
at night, Number seven Texas hosting Texas Tech. Number eleven
Penn State will be on the road at Michigan State.
And then at eight thirty over on Fox a Big
Pac twelve a showdown the Civil War. Number sixteen Oregon
State and number six Oregon.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
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discover bank member FDIC. So the Packers. They upset the
Lions yesterday, Jeff, and there was a cool scene in
the locker room right after the game. Rashawn Geary, who
tore his ACL last November in a road game against Detroit.
He comes back to Detroit yesterday and records three sacks.
(29:40):
He was all over the place, and there's really cool
scene in the locker room. The head coach, Matt Lafleur
presents him with a game ball, and of course the
locker room goes crazy. And I love what Rashan Gary said.
This is a little bit lengthy, but give him a
little bit of breathing room, right, you gotta have locker room.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
They're not just like all right, get Richond, good job, buddy.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Way to fight back from a c L surgery and
record three sacks.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
They go crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
So just enjoy this and what Rashan has to say
at the end of it, I have one special.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
Game ball, this dude career high three sacks. More importantly, right,
we all remember this a year ago.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
A year ago. I'm your mother. It was great. That's awesome, man,
(30:59):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
It was a good one for the Packers. I'll tell
you what, man, I'm not sure I count out the Packers.
They were certainly on my my no wagering list because
they just had crushed me around the season every time
I wagered on them. But you know, I heard the
number yesterday on the telecast. They said they're the second
youngest offense in the NFL. And you have noticed the
(31:21):
last couple of you know, of of weeks, like you
know what, you getting better, That's what happened to. You
have a young team, you get better throughout the season.
And I think we wrote off the Packers. I'm much
of their playoff team per se. But there's certainly a
team that is sort of heading in the right direction
to end the season, which I think is important if
you're a Packers fan, because you know, Jordan Love, you
didn't make a decision after the year, is here a
(31:42):
guy or not? And it feels like there's a little
bit of a confirmation, you know, he might he might
be someone you could build around.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
He's an interesting case, right, Uh, well, we'll you stretch
out our legs on that one, mister Jordan Love.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Feaster or famine with that guy.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
He's had some great performances he's had some dud performances,
and you're right, Jeff, you get a handful more games
from here on out.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
To try to gauge is he your guy?
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Right? Like?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Is he the guy going forward? Are you gonna commit
to him with a like a long term contract.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That's what they did.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
They hedged their bets with Jordan Love, and they gave
him an extra year on his extension. This was not, say,
like a Daniel Jones type extension with the Giants where
they committed to four years and forty million dollars per season.
You need more information on Jordan Love, but it's a
weird blend where there are some games he's played great
and there are other games he's been freaking terrible. So
(32:42):
it's a position for a franchise to be in with them.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
I think we've seen the he's been less terrible lately.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
He has.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
If you're building a team and you have a young
football team, you want to see sort of quarterly improvement, right,
So for example, the you know, the first quarter of
the season, right, and then the second quarter. Nowbviously the
seventeen games, so there's you have to add a fifth
game somewhere to your quarter. But you know, you want
to see this improvement from quarter you know, one, a quarter,
(33:13):
two and two to three. And I think that with
Jordan Love, we have seen that. We've seen that, you know,
he wasn't as good in the season and now he's
getting better sort of each week. And see his third quarter,
it was better than a second quarter. And that to
me is the sign of where you should be if
you're Jordan Love right now. Now you can make the
(33:33):
argument first round pick should be better out the gate,
but you obviously he wasn't. Otherwise they would have got
rid of Rodgers two years ago and we're seeing that
improved now. Is that enough to warrant sort of Okay, well,
we don't need a quarterback in this draft. I mean
I don't think so. It'll obviously be fun to find
out if they go that direction. But again, second youngest
(33:56):
offense in the NFL. You you got another wide receiver,
you got some offensive linemen, and I think you're in
a pretty good spy in the next season. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Well, coming up next on Two Pros and a Cup
of Joe Live from the Tireck dot Com Studios, there
are two players and the question is staring you in
the face what did their teams do with them going forward?
So we'll dive into that. I'm Brian, though, he's Jeff Schwartz.
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Speaker 3 (34:36):
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(34:57):
you think about this Packers Lions game yesterday, Packers pull
off the upset, and you start thinking beyond week twelve.
I think you start thinking a little bit beyond twenty
twenty three. Just for a second, with both of these organizations,
Packers and Lions, what do we do with our quarterback?
(35:19):
You know, if you look at the Packers, what do
they do with Jordan Love going forward? If you look
at the Lions, what do they do with Jared Goff
going forward? You mentioned it to start the show. He's
not a guy that's going to take his team on
the road, come playoff time and.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Just be a stud. You know, will then de victories
and all.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
If you don't have that guy, then you're wasting time
not doing everything you can trying to find that guy.
So I find this to be really interesting where there
might not be in the here and now a better
opportunity that presents itself with a quarterback. And depending on
where you're picking, and if the board falls a certain way,
(36:01):
unless you make a blockbuster trade, you're not gonna get
a top prospect. So some of these teams they just
they run it back. They go to Daniel Jones route
with the Giants and say, well, you know where we're
picking in the draft. He was pretty good last year.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
Let's go long term extension.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
So both the Packers and the Lions are gonna be
in a situation very soon here where they ask themselves
what are we doing at quarterback? Are we running it
back with Golf and Jordan Love or are we changing
our game plan up here? And yesterday was a small
glimpse into what's to come as far as that decision goes, Sure.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
But both I think currently wrong. Both these guys are
under contract for next year. They are, so there might
not have to be a decision made as far as like,
are we going to you know, basically start over again.
You can draft a quarterback and let golf and you
(37:01):
know and love play one more year, but then you
know you're potentially, you know, not helping your current team
right by by drafting the first round talent to help.
So yeah, I mean, look, let's talk about the NFL.
There's how many quarterbacks today? Are you taking to win
new Super Bowl? I'm taking Patrick Mahomes, I'm taking Jalen Hurts.
(37:25):
Is that where the list stops? I think Joe Burrow,
Joe Burrow, healthy, Joe Burrow, I take it, you know,
to a Super Bowl. I don't know if I trust
Josh Allen quite yet. Yeah, Rock Purty, probably not. I mean,
so there's only a handful. I can't even anyone else.
Who am I missing someone?
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Well?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Probably not to win you want.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
But that's the thing is there are the list is
a lot longer when you say, hey, who's competent enough?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Right, good supporting cast where we could win it all correct.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
And so I think you can convince yourself. You can
convince yourself that if things break right for the Packers
and Lions, that our quarterback is good enough to like,
if the Lions had the two seed, Let's say and
Niners came to town and they beat the Niners in
(38:14):
the division around, and there are one game away from
the super Bowl, go to Philly, and Philly, Philly does
their you know, their their jobs up the super Bowl.
You can make the case that next year, let's just
get some more talented pieces and we'll run it right
back as golf got us there. Like you can, you
can make arguments that you know, Jordan Love one day
can maybe end up heal getting you to the same
same spot. You convince yourself anything, right, The question is
(38:36):
it worth sort of a a one year no one
with the Super bowls a rookie, right, it's a rookie quarterback.
Did Big Ben do it in five the second year?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (38:46):
No, the second year?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
So you're basically just like saying that next year you're
not gonna win with a rookie quarterback, and you're wasting
that one year with all your talented football players, and
like that's the thing, right, Like what do you do
in that situation to continue to be competitive with our
veteran or do we waste a year with a rookie?
And I think both those teams right now would rather
(39:09):
roll back with Jordan Love and Jared Goff be competitive
and sort of trying to start over for one season.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah, it's an interesting conversation, right, because you could look
at it a lot of different ways. I would bring
up a couple of teams, say the Colts, say the
Browns for a long time, where they're like, if we
could just get a competent quarterback, you know, steady, maybe
not top three, top five in the league like Premium,
(39:37):
but just someone who's consistently good, we could do some damage.
We could do we could win some games over here.
And then there are teams like say the Lions right now,
certainly the forty nine ers. If we have a guy
who's special, right when we're playing the Chiefs in the
Super Bowl and our quarterback needs to make a throw
(39:57):
to a wide open receiver, do we have a guy
that can do that? And the answer for the Niners
with Jimmy g was no, Right, So You could look
at it two different ways. You could convince yourself, Hey,
you know, Matthew Stafford, you wouldn't put him in the
category of guy that's gonna win you a super Bowl,
but he did. He took him there and won one.
Nick Foles won one, Eli Manning one two. Yeah, you
(40:19):
can find these guys who are good, steady and with
a really good supporting cast, they're capable of getting it done.
The question is do you want to commit to that
guy long term? And although Jared Goff and Jordan Love
are both under contract next year, they haven't signed those
big long term extensions yet. And that's the window that
(40:41):
you're approaching.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Do you really want to.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Commit to these guys or do you want to look
to go in a different direction if you're not convinced
their upper echelon.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Right.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
And this is the decision that every NFL GM has
to make. And I think if you're those two teams,
you're going to you're going to just roll back on
what you have. Is especially Jordan Lung continues to sort
of get better, you know, week after week as he
you know ends his second is real it's not second season,
(41:12):
but his first real season starting so I think they
roll it back, Brian, I don't think that either of
these teams drops a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
You probably are right because of where they're going to be.
The Packers most likely, you know, be in a decent spot.
But where are they going to be in the draft?
You know, maybe the teams something like that. That's that's
not going to be peak QB prospect territory.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Right now they are.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
They're exactly thirteenth in the draft standings if you will,
the Lions scrolling down down, they're twenty eighth right now.
You know, record wise, it just would depend how the
playoffs shake out, but yeah, better opportunity might not present itself,
and then you're like, man, are we It would be like,
(41:59):
you know, dating someone, You're like, eh, it's just cool,
you know, But now you're in the territory it's like,
it's not just do you want to date for another month?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
It's we're talking long term commitment here, you know. And
that's where the Lions and the Packers are. They're in
that window for we're talking long term commitment with these guys.
Are these the guys you want to be committed to?
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I can understand why you have cold feet, but you
gotta do something. It's uh long term or different direction.
It's going to be fascinating to see. But our guy,
Jordan Feaster Famine Love, like we've said, Jeff, as great
as yesterday was. I look down here and against the Raiders,
three interceptions, no touchdowns and it's like that that wasn't
(42:42):
that long ago that game right there?
Speaker 4 (42:45):
No, it wasn't. And so again, both teams are a
good spot. The Packers are super young, ad some talent,
sort of make a try to make a run next
year with with Jordan Love. The Lions are I think
why where they want to be obviously golf just if
you doesn't turn the ball over. There a much better
football team. But defensively they still have a lot of
work to do. And then that's your biggest sitch over
a lot. It's not even quarterback rounds, it's defense.
Speaker 6 (43:08):
Yeah, yeah, I know, you got to get that ironed out.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
That's been a that's been a bigger disappointment than Jared
Goff lately for these last five games.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
A disaster. Defensively, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
We got a lot to do. We want to look forward.
Black Friday to the Dolphins taking on the Jets. I
also want to look back a little bit. Coming up next,
we look back on a record setting performance and look
forward to what almost certainly will not be a record
setting performance.
Speaker 6 (43:38):
That is right around the corner.
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Black Friday. We've got one NFL game, bunch of college games.
More importantly, though, Jeff, how was Thanksgiving? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Was it good?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
It was good? You know, I had to reload a
parlay after the first the first NFL game of the day.
I think, like most of the country, I had to
reload a parlay. No sorry, I had as a teaser leg.
I had a teaser leg I had to be reloaded.
And you know it was good Thanksgiving. You know, lots
of football obviously, and I think we have a lot
(01:29):
of sort of answers on where the NFL is after
even just three games yesterday, which is always important to have.
And today is what possibly could be the final Civil
War in the history of Oregon Oregon State, which is wild.
I think this is the fine, Brian. This is the
final weekend of Pack twelve football.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I mean, there's obviously Changion game next weekend, but like,
this is it, Like this is a conference started in
nineteen fifteen, it's playing its final weekend of college football,
and it starts today with a game. I mean, the
Civil warring has been played since. Like it's it's one
of those rivalries that I don't think people realize has
been played as long as it has. I think it's
(02:09):
it's up there as far as one of the longest
running rivalries in college football. I'm pretty sure it started
in the eighteen hundreds. Let me make sure to put it.
I mean it started in eighteen ninety four. Wow, so
they've played a lot of football games together. You know,
sixty seven, forty nine and ten an all time series
(02:31):
for Oregons. So there's you know, it's been played a
long long time and it ends presuming not presumably, but
it ends today without any sort of adjustment to schedules
next year. It's pretty crazy, man.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
You know what tells you how long it's been played?
The ten like there are no ties anymore, right, so
there are ties in the all time series.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
Well, it's been around for a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
The most famous one was the nineteen eighty three Toilet Bowl.
It was zero to zero. Oh god, turnovers it was
playing you know, if you saw the game last weekend
went to Orgston and Washington in the rain. It was
played in that weather. Eleven fumbles sorry ex feature eleven
and fumbles, six for turnovers, five interceptions for miss field goals.
(03:14):
Oregon also scored twice but got called back on penalties,
but ended zero to zero.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I'm sure a young maybe teenager crack told his dad
to take the under.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
You know, it would not surprise me.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Bill Krackenberger are sports handicapper. You know he's probably on
the under in that game.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, I mean it's I would imagine he is, and uh,
it's uh, you know, it's it's it's a bummer, it is.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
It is because it's been such a good season for
the Pac twelve also, and it's it's crazy to see
it go. But like you're saying, Oregon State against Oregon
that's at eight thirty Eastern time tonight, and that's that's
that's the last installment, like you said, most likely unless
they're like, hey, you know, it's twenty forty seven for
(04:03):
old time sake, let's tee it up, you know. That's Look, man,
I I think that some of the change is going
to be fun and fresh and interesting, and who's not
going to want to see the Ducks go up against
Ohio State or Michigan. There's going to be some good.
But some of these people like it doesn't have to
be one or the other. It doesn't have to be
(04:24):
all bad with realignment, it doesn't have to be all good.
It's a blend. It's a mixture of both.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Well, like you mentioned that, because here's the way I
sort of look at a conference realignment. Obviously, for those
who are unaware, and I don't know why you've never
heard me before, good morning. How good things getting come?
I do packed over, Yeah, I do pack too, radio
done it for for five years now. I grew up
in Los Angeles. My parents are used to alums. I
went to Oregon, so I'm very you know, invested in
(04:52):
West Coast football. And and you know, college football is
unique in that, you know, how n't see how popular
it is is. It's the second most popular sport in
the country. But there's two ways to view college football.
There's the regional way, which is obviously sort of part
of my job, right and sort of my childhood. And
then there's the national way. And I also cover you know,
college sports nationally right for Fox Sports and when we
(05:15):
do this show and whatnot, So I have both those lenses.
Regionally commentary alignment stinks, right, because you know all these
matchups all this like Scartisians Oregon went to Arizona State
last weekend and my Ducks like have this terrible history
of playing in the desert November, like we've lost so
many games as big favorites in that state. I played
(05:38):
twice there in November, and I left in Arizona, not
Arizona State, but just in the desert alone and Brian
I left both games without a starting quarterback. Like it
just it's one of those places. It's just like it's
hard to play in the desert November. And you know,
Oregon struggles with Stanford and we're always good against this school,
and so you lose all of that scar tissue and
(06:01):
all that shared history and tradition when you go to
the Big Ten, right, But nationally, as you mentioned, we
get much better football games. Instead of Oregon Cal it's
now Oregon Penn State or Oregon Wisconsin. And but you know, again,
I have to like relearn like who's going to be
our Stanford? Who's going to be We go to Stanford
(06:22):
every year and like in early October and have a
stinker who is actually Purdue?
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Now?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Is Iowa the new Arizona for us? And you have
to relearn all these You have to relearn all these
sort of rivalries and scar tissues and whatnot. So that's
the part to me that you know, I not that
I'm being stubborn, old headed about I mean, I'll learn it,
of course, but I kind of liked what I already
knew about college football and the rivalries already knew about.
(06:49):
So you know, again things are changing. I've accepted it. Obviously.
I'm a little bum because I gamble on the PAC
twelve and I'm really good at it. Now I've got
to either learn the big ten or just kind of
sort of stop giving out public picks. Nonetheless, here's where
we are, the last robbery weekend in the Pact. But look,
there's the last rubber weekend. And you know sec IS.
(07:11):
You know they're they're changing their conference, you know, alignment
next year, So you know, a lot of a lot
of robberies just might not continue in the same way
moving forward.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, I think that's what's hard to wrap your mind around,
is how different it is than the NFL. For instance,
think about the three games yesterday. Imagine if it's a
great rivalry between the Seahawks and the forty nine ers.
Imagine if they were like, yeah, that's the last time
we might play each other, maybe twenty years from now,
just for the heck of it, but that's pretty much
(07:39):
the last time we're gonna play due to realignment.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
It would blow your mind, you know, Like can.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
You imagine if the Commanders and the Cowboys they just
didn't play again for two more decades? Like like college
football will do. It'd be pretty crazy, but hey, man,
that's just where we're at in college football.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Brian, I've said this for a long time and I
I really do believe it. And when we talk about
these sports, I talk about differently. They are two different sports.
I know people try to say, oh, it's a football.
They're not the same thing, man, Like, even the football
is not the same. Like we would never I don't
think we ever say college bats and NBA are the same.
I've never heard anyone say that before. Right it comes
to football, it's just say no, they're different. The football
(08:20):
is different, the field marketings are different, right, Like, the
scheduling is different, the playoff system, it's all different. It's
a completely different sport. And they're both. NFL and college
football are both great in their own ways. I prefer
if you're asking me, like, I'd rather much ether watch
the NFL. I feel like college football is just a
different my team I root for obviously, but it's a
different vibe when you watch college football. But they're not
(08:42):
the same thing. And just treat them. And you have
to say, and when you talk about the sports or
watch consumers, there's different sports. You understand you're consuming a
different sport when you watch college football or the NFL,
So I think people sometimes kind of love them together,
then they're not the same thing.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, we've got a lot of time to look back
at what happened yesterday. Yeah, look forward to today and
the weekend and all that stuff. But of the three
NFL games, so we had the Packers pull a minor
shocker against the Lions and win the game. Like you said,
some people are reloading the teasers or the parlays to
(09:21):
the first NFL game of the day. Then you had
the Cowboys just destroy Washington forty five to ten. You
had the forty nine ers look pretty dominant against the Seahawks.
I know the Seahawks made a little push to begin
the second half and the Niners were like, okay, pipe
down Seattle and they won with ease by eighteen points.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Of those three games.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Which game not just yesterday but going forward right when
we're starting to look at the playoff picture and everything,
which game do you think was the most significant?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Probably Seattle in the forty nine ers because the Niners
are gonna win the NFC West now, and there was
you know, there was a one game difference between those
two those two schools, and then they play again fairly
soon too. There's one. Now it's two games, and I
think there's a real chance Seattle is not a playoff team. Yeah,
and that's what it showed the last six games for
(10:17):
Seattle off the top of my head, because I've waged
on some of them and pay attention. They have just
played sort of average football.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
They went to the Bengals six weeks ago and you know,
they put a terrible red zone game and lost. Came home.
But the Cardinals barely cover the Cardinals, you know, they
barely beat the Commanders, and the Browns need to they
need to come back to beat the Browns like they
just you know, Rams beat them last week. They're just okay, right,
but you look at the at their schedule the next
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couple of weeks, it's it's it's teams they're not going
to be favored against. And there's not a lot of
margin for Airy. Now, the NFC is much easier than
the AFC as far as sort of where you know,
the seventh place team, the record on that can be
eight to nine. Probably to get in nine to eight
probably surely gets you in the NFC. So they might
still make it a seventh seed, but like they're not
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a legitimate sort of contender to do much of anything
I think in you know, in in this in the
playoffs at all, they kind of That was my takeaway
from that game, and I think I think yesterday my
overall sort of vibe and takeaway is that we sort
of the NFC sort of separate itself yesterday. We know
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Tier one and Tier two and the Tier two teams
are Cowboys and Lions. Like, can those teams beat? Can
those teams beat you know, what's the way to put it.
Can those teams beat the Eagles and Niners? Probably not?
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's the thing to me is you look at the
Lions and look, man, it's a long season. They lost
a nationally televised standalone game against the Packers yesterday. It
was embarrassing and there might be a knee jerk reaction
to sort of write them off. I'm not doing that,
but it was a significant day because they get leapfrogged
(12:04):
by the Niners. The Niners are now the two seed
in the NFC. The Lions fall down. You look at
the defense, So these are the last but these are
four of the last five games, what they've given up
points wise, They give up thirty eight on the road
against the Ravens, they give up thirty eight on the
road against the Chargers, then they give up twenty six
(12:24):
to the Bears and twenty nine yesterday to the Packers.
That not all defense, I mean sometimes there are some
there are some defensive scores, right, Like Jared Goff was
a turnover machine yesterday, turned it over three three times
for two weeks.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
So that's the thing with the Lions is as they're
starting to fall in the seating standings, if you will,
right for the playoffs, rolling around, and they've gotten destroyed
defensively the last two road games, how good are you
feeling about the Lions' chances to do major damage come
playoff time on the road if they're playing a game
(13:04):
or two of significance on the road.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
I don't feel great at all.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You've got a defense that's getting shredded, and you've got
Jared Goff who's a turnover machine.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
That is not a good combination at all.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yeah. I think I think you're again you're sort of
separating the nine Ers and Eagles away from the Lions
and Cowboys in my opinion. And look, here's here's the
thing is, you have a situation where you have, you know,
you're led by Jared Goff. And as much as Jared
Goff has improved since the sort of his time at
the end with the Rams there, it's still Jared Goff
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and you're just not gonna win anything important with him
at this you know, at this point of his career.
That's not really not a knock on him, it's just
where he is in his career. He's sort of showed
that the last couple of weeks, Like you're just it's
just he's just not a guy that is going to
get you three playoff ways to get to Super Bowl. Yeah. Right,
it's just not gonna happen, especially when you're playing the
Eagles and you're playing the forty nine ers. Presumer, it's
(14:02):
just not gonna happen. And that's okay, it's I mean,
it's what they the Lions trying to draft a quarterback
at Hateen Hooker. But but I have to address that
position in my opinion in the off season. Obviously, defense
still a big problem for them. As you mentioned, their
defensive numbers have been bad the last month or so,
but I think it's just golf's not not good enough
to get you to that place. Dan Campll's done a
(14:22):
great job. But he deserves credit for what he's done.
This year, he might win Coach of the Year still,
I don't know how it ends. And he's definitely built
this organization up to be a winner, which has been
a long struggle for the Lions, and he deserves credit
and praise for that. But but Brian that if the
idea is like the Lions are competitive in the NFC,
that they're not gonna be just not And it's okay,
(14:42):
it's but you really see when the Chiefs struggle, we
can say, well they've shown this before, They've won two
Super Bowls the last four years. Like that. That's that's
thinking have benefit of the doubt. When the Lions struggle
last two weeks, as they're sending to the top of
the mountain, that becomes concerned, right because we haven't seen
them correct this. Yeah, they haven't been in this spot before,
and so I think there is is certainly worry about
(15:05):
the defense and then the turnovers with golf.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Well, I'm glad that you mentioned that because I want
to get to this coming up next here on two
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have you have you either been pulled over? You know,
gotten a ticket? Have has that happened? Is that on
the resume for you?
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I have been. I got pulled over in Detroit one
time when I was playing for the Lions. That got
I think that got removed because he gave me a
a forty. I was going forty four and a forty
that's what we put on my ticket. Oh wow, it's
a long story, but basically that it was like ten
o'clock at night. I was leaving dinner and we I
(18:35):
was driving my my pickup truck had tined windows on it,
legal tint, and I think that the police officer thought
maybe I was, you know, gonna be someone else and
pulled over. I was kind of surprised to see that
I was not what he thought. And he's been a
I don't know, like I said it radio. It wasn't
be nice about it. So I told the Lions that
we got it removed. Forty four and forty is ridiculous.
(18:57):
I wasn't. I wasn't speeding. Yeah, he pulled me over,
thought I'd be someone else. I wasn't, and it wasn't.
And I don't drink, so he was accusing me of drinks,
like you've been drinking and I haven't you I'm like, nope,
don't drink. Like it was just ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I wasn't expecting, you know, if the story starts off,
So it was a forty mile per hour zone, right,
I wasn't expecting the speed to be forty.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Four, yeah, wrote he wrote. He wrote forty four to
forty on the ticket.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Well, I bring this up because if you've been pulled
over before, everybody knows that feeling when you hear the
siren when you look and you see the lights and
you do the math and you're like, oh shoot, that's
for me, you know what I mean, Like, oh yeah,
he's pulling me over it.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And you're like, oh no, that's how I.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Feel with what I have called now, Jeff, the prety police.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Okay, oh okay, the.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Brock prety police are out there in full force, and
you better be going the speed lim because they'll pull
you over and they like you're the one your experience.
They will not be nice, they will not be cordial,
they will not be forgiving whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They will be like a pack of wild.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Wolverine or hyenas, and they are just looking for an
opening to gnaw your juggular. That's the party police right there.
And last night the Nighters got another win. Brock Purdy,
I mean overall he played really well. He had the
one pick six which hurt his numbers, hurt his passer
(20:33):
rating and all of that, but all things considered, played
pretty well. It just made me think of this, Jeff,
because of what you just got done explaining. We were
looking at the games yesterday and looking at some of
the teams that might be playoff pretenders, playoff contenders that
sort of thing. It's the same thing with individual players.
And although I give brock Purty as flowers, especially this season,
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he's played really well. I give him credit. The playoffs
are a different animal. I don't know why the pretty
police insist on crowning this guy after like week ten
or week twelve, or let me know when he does
something huge come playoff time, because until that happens, I'm
(21:18):
skeptical and I'm wondering if he's a less good looking
Jimmy Garoppolo. They won a bunch of regular season games
with Jimmy g and then when the playoffs rolled around
and it was that special play that needed to be
made on a big stage, he faltered. And I don't
know why we're acting as if brock Perty has passed
that test when he hasn't yet.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
So I'm just saying, pretty Police, they'll pull you over
in the.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Ball I think I think a cople of are true.
I think Party is better than we probably thought initially.
He'd be right, so he definitely That's part of the
discussion is like, well, you know, you discount of him
when he was started coording, and now he's better. Okay,
he's I think it's official to say that he is
a a Again, he's barely played in full sixteen games
of his career. That when it's okay to qualify things
(22:07):
when sort of everything is with him right, when his
team is whole, He's a very good quarterback. There's no
doubt about it. It's very good. We've shown that now
over the full year of basically a sample size. It's
very good. When things aren't as when he's not as whole,
we've seen right the three game losing straight it's he's
not as good now. That could be made, the case
be made for many quarterbacks that are like that, right, Ryan, Yeah,
(22:30):
So I think it's fair to say he has established
himself now as a good quarterback in the NFL. Right now,
the question is whether we go if you draft him,
where do you draft him? If you did a it
started over who knows, who cares, It doesn't matter in
this offense. He has proven himself to be plenty capable
and plenty good. So now the next step in the
(22:52):
discussion is that can he take you to a you know,
can you win a playoff game with him?
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Right?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Because that's now the next step we have. We have
determined that he is a good regular season quarterback, and a
lot of quarterbacks in the NFL are good in the
regular season. The next step is determining whether or not
he is that guy that takes the Niners to a
super Bowl or not. And that's okay to say, like,
we don't know that next step right now. Brian is
gonna be good or not? We don't know. He hasn't
(23:18):
done it before. And you know, last year they won
a playoff game. He didn't have to throw the ball
very much, and then he got hurt in the Eagles game.
I would love to see the rematch coming up soon,
which I imagine we'll see nine ersne Egle is going
to meet again. Hopefully perty is healthy, and we'll get
we'll get our answer about whether or not he's that
guy in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
You know, I would compare the party police, Jeff, very
similar to the Lamar Jackson Police.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Oh yeah, where it was.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
You didn't give this guy a chance from the beginning,
before he was drafted. You thought he should be a
wide receiver than a quarterback. Now what it's just been
a steady diet of now what he won MVP, Like, now,
what do you have to say and then the players
have rolled around Jeff numerous times and it has not
gone well. They were one seed against the Titans, didn't
(24:07):
get it done.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
They uh what.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
They were on the road against Buffalo, threw a pick
six to lose the game in a very low scoring game. Yeah,
he has not been good in the playoffs at all.
The first year, this is rookie season. They were chanting
for Joe Flacco to come in against the Chargers. Right,
it has not been good at all, And the Lamar
Jackson police have been very very quiet once the playoffs
(24:32):
have rolled a round.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's just a public service announcement for the purty police
out there that get a little bit too lippy off
of Week eight. You know, you might would have toned
it down just a little bit because the playoffs are
a different animal.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
So it's worth pointing out because I think this is
something that we don't talk about enough when it comes
to the discussion of NFL players or NFL teams, is
that you have to discuss some relatives to your expectations
on what they're going to be. Right. So if I
tell you, like, okay, well, you know, brock Party has
now sort of passed past. The point of the expectation
is is that he's a good like the baseline, right,
(25:10):
good regis quarterback. He's on a team. He's on a
team now that has Super Bowl aspirations. So next thing
is like, okay, well, what are the expectations now that
he's made the playoffs until we change the way we
view him because the expectations are different now, Right, he's
passed the first test. Now I have to see him
do it in the playoffs year over year and get
(25:31):
the team through Super Bowl before we declare he's a
a good playoff quarterback.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Same with with Lamar.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Right, great, the regular season, he's passed that test, the expectations,
he's passed that test. Now the expectation for Lamar, especially
this season is how deep in the playoffs can can
he get? Now he's gonna be judged on that expectation,
and so what pretty come playoff time?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
You know, we're gonna judge our guy, Kevin wired right
now as if this is a playoff atmosphere update you
know what I mean? Oh yeah, this' is that regular
season type stuff over here, keV. This is the playoffs,
so our grading system is going to be a lot different.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Alrighty, the pressure is on, right, Okay, I'm feeling I'm
feeling it here. Well, Thanksgiving it often does feel like
a playoff atmosphere does in it, especially since we had
several contending teams in action. The nightcap the forty nine
Ers and Seahawks, the Niners cementing their grip on that
NFC West where they thirty one to thirteen beatdown of Seattle,
(26:30):
the Seahawks clinging to a wildcard spot themselves. In that game,
Rock Purty did throw a pick six, but otherwise I
did play adequately enough two hundred nine yards and a touchdown.
It was Semac though, leading the way on the offense
one hundred and fourteen rushing yards a couple of touchdowns there.
He also caught twenty five pass or twenty five passing
yards through the air. The middle game the Cowboys, a
(26:51):
dismantlement of the Commanders forty five to ten. Dak Prescott
absolutely carving up that Washington defense here in thirty one
passing yards, four touchdowns, but it was the defense in particular.
A Deron Bland. He's become the pick six king. He
is now five. He has five pick six is on
the season that sets a new NFL record. And the
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first game of the day Packers and Lions, and this
one looked like it was gonna be a blowout, but
the Lions give them credit for making adjustments and slowly
clawing their way back, although they did end up just
short twenty nine to twenty two to the final. Green
Bay does win it, but the Packers were off to
a twenty to six lead after one quarter in twenty
three to six at halftime, but the Lions making the adjustments,
(27:37):
holding green Bay to just six points total in that
second half, and Jordan Love played pretty well as the
Utah State graduate two hundred and sixty eight yards and
three touchdowns. We do have a game on Black Friday
for the first time. Yeah, coming up at three o'clock
Eastern time on Prime Video. It'll be an AFC East
(27:57):
matchup between the Dolphins and the Jet over at the Meadowlands.
So a lot more football on TAPP and then we
got College Action two coming up later today as well.
We do have some ranked teams in action. We have
number thirteen Oklahoma at home against TCU that'll kick off
at noon over on Fox Number seventeen Iowa and Nebraska.
(28:19):
The total for that one twenty four and a half points. Oh,
I don't think I've ever seen a point total that low,
but that's what it is. Number seventeen Iowa, Nebraska, and
I'd probably take that, honestly. That kicks off at noon
as well over on CBS at three thirty, it'll be
number twenty three, two Lane hosting UTSA at four, number
nine in Missouri and Arkansas. Then we got some games
(28:40):
at night, Number seven Texas hosting Texas Tech. Number eleven
Penn State will be on the road at Michigan State.
And then at eight thirty over on Fox a Big
Pac twelve a showdown the Civil War. Number sixteen Oregon
State and number six Oregon.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
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discover bank member FDIC. So the Packers. They upset the
Lions yesterday, Jeff, and there was a cool scene in
the locker room right after the game. Rashawn Geary, who
tore his ACL last November in a road game against Detroit.
He comes back to Detroit yesterday and records three sacks.
(29:40):
He was all over the place, and there's really cool
scene in the locker room. The head coach, Matt Lafleur
presents him with a game ball, and of course the
locker room goes crazy. And I love what Rashan Gary said.
This is a little bit lengthy, but give him a
little bit of breathing room, right, you gotta have locker room.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
They're not just like all right, get Richond, good job, buddy.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Way to fight back from a c L surgery and
record three sacks.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
They go crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
So just enjoy this and what Rashan has to say
at the end of it, I have one special.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
Game ball, this dude career high three sacks. More importantly, right,
we all remember this a year ago.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
A year ago. I'm your mother. It was great. That's awesome, man,
(30:59):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
It was a good one for the Packers. I'll tell
you what, man, I'm not sure I count out the Packers.
They were certainly on my my no wagering list because
they just had crushed me around the season every time
I wagered on them. But you know, I heard the
number yesterday on the telecast. They said they're the second
youngest offense in the NFL. And you have noticed the
(31:21):
last couple of you know, of of weeks, like you
know what, you getting better, That's what happened to. You
have a young team, you get better throughout the season.
And I think we wrote off the Packers. I'm much
of their playoff team per se. But there's certainly a
team that is sort of heading in the right direction
to end the season, which I think is important if
you're a Packers fan, because you know, Jordan Love, you
didn't make a decision after the year, is here a
(31:42):
guy or not? And it feels like there's a little
bit of a confirmation, you know, he might he might
be someone you could build around.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
He's an interesting case, right, Uh, well, we'll you stretch
out our legs on that one, mister Jordan Love.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Feaster or famine with that guy.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
He's had some great performances he's had some dud performances,
and you're right, Jeff, you get a handful more games
from here on out.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
To try to gauge is he your guy?
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Right? Like?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Is he the guy going forward? Are you gonna commit
to him with a like a long term contract.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That's what they did.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
They hedged their bets with Jordan Love, and they gave
him an extra year on his extension. This was not, say,
like a Daniel Jones type extension with the Giants where
they committed to four years and forty million dollars per season.
You need more information on Jordan Love, but it's a
weird blend where there are some games he's played great
and there are other games he's been freaking terrible. So
(32:42):
it's a position for a franchise to be in with them.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
I think we've seen the he's been less terrible lately.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
He has.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
If you're building a team and you have a young
football team, you want to see sort of quarterly improvement, right,
So for example, the you know, the first quarter of
the season, right, and then the second quarter. Nowbviously the
seventeen games, so there's you have to add a fifth
game somewhere to your quarter. But you know, you want
to see this improvement from quarter you know, one, a quarter,
(33:13):
two and two to three. And I think that with
Jordan Love, we have seen that. We've seen that, you know,
he wasn't as good in the season and now he's
getting better sort of each week. And see his third quarter,
it was better than a second quarter. And that to
me is the sign of where you should be if
you're Jordan Love right now. Now you can make the
(33:33):
argument first round pick should be better out the gate,
but you obviously he wasn't. Otherwise they would have got
rid of Rodgers two years ago and we're seeing that
improved now. Is that enough to warrant sort of Okay, well,
we don't need a quarterback in this draft. I mean
I don't think so. It'll obviously be fun to find
out if they go that direction. But again, second youngest
(33:56):
offense in the NFL. You you got another wide receiver,
you got some offensive linemen, and I think you're in
a pretty good spy in the next season. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Well, coming up next on Two Pros and a Cup
of Joe Live from the Tireck dot Com Studios, there
are two players and the question is staring you in
the face what did their teams do with them going forward?
So we'll dive into that. I'm Brian, though, he's Jeff Schwartz.
Keep you locked right here on Fox Sports Radio.
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you think about this Packers Lions game yesterday, Packers pull
off the upset, and you start thinking beyond week twelve.
I think you start thinking a little bit beyond twenty
twenty three. Just for a second, with both of these organizations,
Packers and Lions, what do we do with our quarterback?
(35:19):
You know, if you look at the Packers, what do
they do with Jordan Love going forward? If you look
at the Lions, what do they do with Jared Goff
going forward? You mentioned it to start the show. He's
not a guy that's going to take his team on
the road, come playoff time and.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Just be a stud. You know, will then de victories
and all.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
If you don't have that guy, then you're wasting time
not doing everything you can trying to find that guy.
So I find this to be really interesting where there
might not be in the here and now a better
opportunity that presents itself with a quarterback. And depending on
where you're picking, and if the board falls a certain way,
(36:01):
unless you make a blockbuster trade, you're not gonna get
a top prospect. So some of these teams they just
they run it back. They go to Daniel Jones route
with the Giants and say, well, you know where we're
picking in the draft. He was pretty good last year.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
Let's go long term extension.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
So both the Packers and the Lions are gonna be
in a situation very soon here where they ask themselves
what are we doing at quarterback? Are we running it
back with Golf and Jordan Love or are we changing
our game plan up here? And yesterday was a small
glimpse into what's to come as far as that decision goes, Sure.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
But both I think currently wrong. Both these guys are
under contract for next year. They are, so there might
not have to be a decision made as far as like,
are we going to you know, basically start over again.
You can draft a quarterback and let golf and you
(37:01):
know and love play one more year, but then you
know you're potentially, you know, not helping your current team
right by by drafting the first round talent to help.
So yeah, I mean, look, let's talk about the NFL.
There's how many quarterbacks today? Are you taking to win
new Super Bowl? I'm taking Patrick Mahomes, I'm taking Jalen Hurts.
(37:25):
Is that where the list stops? I think Joe Burrow,
Joe Burrow, healthy, Joe Burrow, I take it, you know,
to a Super Bowl. I don't know if I trust
Josh Allen quite yet. Yeah, Rock Purty, probably not. I mean,
so there's only a handful. I can't even anyone else.
Who am I missing someone?
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Well?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Probably not to win you want.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
But that's the thing is there are the list is
a lot longer when you say, hey, who's competent enough?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Right, good supporting cast where we could win it all correct.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
And so I think you can convince yourself. You can
convince yourself that if things break right for the Packers
and Lions, that our quarterback is good enough to like,
if the Lions had the two seed, Let's say and
Niners came to town and they beat the Niners in
(38:14):
the division around, and there are one game away from
the super Bowl, go to Philly, and Philly, Philly does
their you know, their their jobs up the super Bowl.
You can make the case that next year, let's just
get some more talented pieces and we'll run it right
back as golf got us there. Like you can, you
can make arguments that you know, Jordan Love one day
can maybe end up heal getting you to the same
same spot. You convince yourself anything, right, The question is
(38:36):
it worth sort of a a one year no one
with the Super bowls a rookie, right, it's a rookie quarterback.
Did Big Ben do it in five the second year?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (38:46):
No, the second year?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
So you're basically just like saying that next year you're
not gonna win with a rookie quarterback, and you're wasting
that one year with all your talented football players, and
like that's the thing, right, Like what do you do
in that situation to continue to be competitive with our
veteran or do we waste a year with a rookie?
And I think both those teams right now would rather
(39:09):
roll back with Jordan Love and Jared Goff be competitive
and sort of trying to start over for one season.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah, it's an interesting conversation, right, because you could look
at it a lot of different ways. I would bring
up a couple of teams, say the Colts, say the
Browns for a long time, where they're like, if we
could just get a competent quarterback, you know, steady, maybe
not top three, top five in the league like Premium,
(39:37):
but just someone who's consistently good, we could do some damage.
We could do we could win some games over here.
And then there are teams like say the Lions right now,
certainly the forty nine ers. If we have a guy
who's special, right when we're playing the Chiefs in the
Super Bowl and our quarterback needs to make a throw
(39:57):
to a wide open receiver, do we have a guy
that can do that? And the answer for the Niners
with Jimmy g was no, Right, So You could look
at it two different ways. You could convince yourself, Hey,
you know, Matthew Stafford, you wouldn't put him in the
category of guy that's gonna win you a super Bowl,
but he did. He took him there and won one.
Nick Foles won one, Eli Manning one two. Yeah, you
(40:19):
can find these guys who are good, steady and with
a really good supporting cast, they're capable of getting it done.
The question is do you want to commit to that
guy long term? And although Jared Goff and Jordan Love
are both under contract next year, they haven't signed those
big long term extensions yet. And that's the window that
(40:41):
you're approaching.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Do you really want to.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Commit to these guys or do you want to look
to go in a different direction if you're not convinced
their upper echelon.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Right.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
And this is the decision that every NFL GM has
to make. And I think if you're those two teams,
you're going to you're going to just roll back on
what you have. Is especially Jordan Lung continues to sort
of get better, you know, week after week as he
you know ends his second is real it's not second season,
(41:12):
but his first real season starting so I think they
roll it back, Brian, I don't think that either of
these teams drops a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
You probably are right because of where they're going to be.
The Packers most likely, you know, be in a decent spot.
But where are they going to be in the draft?
You know, maybe the teams something like that. That's that's
not going to be peak QB prospect territory.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Right now they are.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
They're exactly thirteenth in the draft standings if you will,
the Lions scrolling down down, they're twenty eighth right now.
You know, record wise, it just would depend how the
playoffs shake out, but yeah, better opportunity might not present itself,
and then you're like, man, are we It would be like,
(41:59):
you know, dating someone, You're like, eh, it's just cool,
you know, But now you're in the territory it's like,
it's not just do you want to date for another month?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
It's we're talking long term commitment here, you know. And
that's where the Lions and the Packers are. They're in
that window for we're talking long term commitment with these guys.
Are these the guys you want to be committed to?
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I can understand why you have cold feet, but you
gotta do something. It's uh long term or different direction.
It's going to be fascinating to see. But our guy,
Jordan Feaster Famine Love, like we've said, Jeff, as great
as yesterday was. I look down here and against the Raiders,
three interceptions, no touchdowns and it's like that that wasn't
(42:42):
that long ago that game right there?
Speaker 4 (42:45):
No, it wasn't. And so again, both teams are a
good spot. The Packers are super young, ad some talent,
sort of make a try to make a run next
year with with Jordan Love. The Lions are I think
why where they want to be obviously golf just if
you doesn't turn the ball over. There a much better
football team. But defensively they still have a lot of
work to do. And then that's your biggest sitch over
a lot. It's not even quarterback rounds, it's defense.
Speaker 6 (43:08):
Yeah, yeah, I know, you got to get that ironed out.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
That's been a that's been a bigger disappointment than Jared
Goff lately for these last five games.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
A disaster. Defensively, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
We got a lot to do. We want to look forward.
Black Friday to the Dolphins taking on the Jets. I
also want to look back a little bit. Coming up next,
we look back on a record setting performance and look
forward to what almost certainly will not be a record
setting performance.
Speaker 6 (43:38):
That is right around the corner.
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