July 17, 2025 • 41 mins
Buck Reising & Jason Fitz are in for the guys and talk about some of the top NFL stories as teams begin reporting to training camp including the Lions entering a period of transition with new offensive and defensive coordinators, Caitlin Clark being injured and at risk to miss the WNBA All-Star game, and more!
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Let's give this.
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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. The dog days this
summer are almost over. We have suffered through months of
trying to figure out how to get to football, and
by god, it's finally here.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
The Chargers have gone into camp.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
That means we finally get to the spot where we
can speculate about everything for every second of every day.
And for some reason, it feels better to speculate about
this that we all love that it does have the
time to talk about actual sports going on right now.
It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. It's actually
a Bucket Fits takeover on Fox Sports Radio. Having some
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technical difficulties out of the gate with buck He's here,
but it's gonna take him a second to actually get here.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
We cannot prove, we cannot confirm nor.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Deny whether or not that's just because he had a
big night on Lower Broadway. But for the next three
hours we will be taking over Fox Sports Radio. And y'all,
I'm just gonna be honest with you, Like, things are
so slow in this industry right now, in this business
is doing what we do. Things are so quiet that
the Spies exist, And like everybody knows, I.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Worked at ESPN for years. Love that place. They changed
my life. It's absolutely spectacular.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
But the funniest part about the spi'st is they exist
because ESPN looked around and said, you know what, there's
nothing else to talk about, so let's create an award show.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So at least we have.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Something we can put on air, and we can put
on our shows. That's the real catalyst for why the
SP's exist.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It is that quiet right now, and then you look
around and you say, well, minute, what's going to change it?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
All the Chargers going to camp now think about the
era we all grow up. If you're a middle aged person,
listening to this show at all will allow middle aged
to be defined.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
However, we so choose, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
But if you're a middle aged person listening to this
show at all, you sort of know what life used
to be like. Like there was a period to be
the old man on the block and Buck would be
making fun of me for this right now, But there
was a period where, like think about in my childhood,
the only way that you knew what was going on
with your favorite team. This is real, is you had
to go down to the corner store and buy a
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USA Today. Like you literally had to every Friday. I
would walk down to the USA Today or to the
corner store. I would pick up my USA Today and
they'd have little paragraphs on every game coming up over
the weekend, and that's how I would read what was
going to happen that weekend for my beloved Raiders.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And every Monday I would go running back to that.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Same corner store to pick up a USA Today on
the hopes that there might be, you know, if you
were lucky, a picture of your favorite team along with
the RecA from the game.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's how hard it was pre you know.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
The existence of the internet to what we understand now
to actually follow your favorite football team. That's real, you know,
And so you think about how we've gone from that
to a society where in training camp we are all
going to fall in love with somebody based solely on
the tweets of reporters that are telling us that somebody
looks pretty good. We are so thirsty right now for
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actual football, and we need to remember this because this
is what's gonna happen. I'm usually on The Fellows on
the weekends with Anthony Gargano, and if you ever listen
to The Fellows on Fox Sports Radio, we spend every
Saturday morning just going.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Through the college football sleep.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
We spend every Saturday morning going through every ounce of
what we see in college football just to sit there
and love the game. It's so much of Saturday's content
is us talking about college football, right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Think about it, though, about three weeks in, we are.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Going to, as a communal football love society, be complaining
so much about cupcakes, bad games. Whoever the SEC is
scheduled in one particular week.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That none of us want to watch.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
We're going to be complaining violently about all of the
just terrible matchups and how could they do this?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
We waited all year.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
To get football, and now we're already stuck with some
random Alabama versus Liberty.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Type game that nobody wants to watch.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
That's what we're going to be saying. And when that happens,
what we need to do is just take a big,
giant step back and remember how we felt this summer.
We are genuinely at a spot where you know this,
You've done it with your friends, you see it on
social media.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
There are countdowns everywhere.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Forty three days no football, forty days until we get
like that's what we are counting down every single element
of what we expect, just because we are that excited.
So yeah, we're at a spot where we're ma making
up award shows to try and figure out how to
create content because nobody really wants to talk about baseball.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Sorry, baseball guys, Like, I'm sorry. Like the crazy part
about this is the numbers bear out.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
The majority of the sports talk radio audience would rather
listen to talk about Shane Gillison an award show than
they would about actual Major League baseball games going on
right now.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That's real.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
So we are now at the spot where we get
to stop trying to figure out ways to stretch and
start getting into training camp and when you start thinking
about training camp. To me, man, there are a bunch
of things that are interesting, there's a bunch of things
that are wild.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
But there's one thing that I think that we've just
forgotten about over and over and over again. That's it.
The Lions are in a year of transition.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Think about Detroit right now, and let's be consistent with
the way that we talk about certain teams.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Okay, so the Lions have gone from being living in
what I always like to call the.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Sea of suck, right, the Lions have gone from living
in the sea of suck to the land of benefit
of the doubt. Go from being just perennially bad every
single year you're awful.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
We presume you're gonna be awful.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
When you suddenly wake up and you're not awful every day,
when you suddenly wake up and you're good, Well, now
you get that crazy thing.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Called benefit of the doubt. But sometimes you got to
peel all of that away.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You gotta peel away what we think is going to happen,
and you got to start looking at the actual information
to form the opinion. So let me ask you how
many teams can lose their offensive coordinator, their defensive coordinator
and a bunch of their coaches in the same year
and have absolutely.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
No fall off. Remember a few years ago in Philly.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I mean, we've seen it go really well in Philly,
and we've seen to go really bad, to the point
that all of a sudden, Syrianna was on the hot seat.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
But then it went well again.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
When you start talking about change and you start talking
about the way we look at things in training camp,
to lose your offensive coordinator obviously Ben Johnson is now
the head coach of the Chicago Bears, right, and you
lose your defensive coordinator, Aaron glenn is now the head
coach of the New York Jets. You've lost two huge pieces.
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And I don't know how we can just assume that
Dan Campbell is just gonna nail every single higher like.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Most coaches don't.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Most coaches, especially like think about the different styles of coaches. Okay,
if you're Sean McVay and you're gonna lose a quarterbacks
coach or an offensive mind of some sort, you're really
the offensive guy that pushes all the buttons. You know,
if you're already in control of a large portion of
your team, losing a coordinator can be something you get
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through because you're gonna call all those plays anyways. You're
gonna be that guy anyway, right, So taking that sort
of a blow is survivable. You can look around and say, Okay,
it's a little bit of a change. Is that how
we think of Dan Campbell? Like, do we sit here
right now and think of Dan Campbell as being the
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guru on the offensive defensive side of the ball that
if all things start falling apart, will simply take back
the play calling and make it work himself. It's not
the type of coach he is. There's nothing wrong with that,
but that's not the type of coach he is. So
just as we've seen other teams have issues trying to
figure out how to replace coordinators, is it not fair
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to look at a Detroit team It was great last year?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
They were great, and wonder man if.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
If part of the reason they were great is that
they had the best offensive mind. The guy that's going
to go to Chicago and suddenly win so many games,
the guy that's going to make sure that Kayleb Williams
is the superstar, the guy that is going to catapult
the Bears into playoff relevance.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That guy.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
He's such a good coach that he was the most
coveted coach for most teams across the entire league. That's
how good he was. He's the guy everybody wanted to hire.
He's gone now, so you just replace him, and there's
no drop off. You replace, in the minds of many,
one of them not the best offensive coordinator. The only
way there's no drop off is if Dan Campbell hires
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the next Ben Johnson. Think about how damn hard that is. Like,
that's not just something you wake up and do. Aaron
Glenn goes to the Jets, where immediately he's putting his
stamp on that organization. The Jets had a big week.
They paid a couple of their young guys. They showed
everybody they believed that the young corps is there, and
they believe that this team can be built, and they
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believe that Aaron Glenn is going to be the person
that does that for him. So you're not just trying
to replace a defensive coordinator. You're not just trying to
replace an offensive coordinator. You're trying to replace a coordinator
that is so good they are one of the best
in the league and they were coveted to become head coaches.
That means you can't just get the higher right. You
got to get the higher right, and you're doing it
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while you're in your super Bowl window. That's the other
part of this for the Lions, Like we are past
the point of the Lions being a cute story and
we are at the point now where the Lions are
a super Bowl contenttor.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
The Lions just supposed to be them.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
They're supposed to be one of these teams that we
can absolutely bank on is going to be contending for
the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So you're not talking about, hey, we'll easily do it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
We'll get we'll get it all right, it'll feel good
over time, Like those aren't luxuries that the Lions have
right now. A wasted year for a team in their
super Bowl window is catastrophic. It's so hard to get
to this point. It's so hard to beat at the
spot where you can genuinely win at the highest possible level.
If you're talking about the Lions and looking around, Sure,
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if the expectation was the Lions we're gonna win eight games,
then great, Fine. If they're only gonna win eight games,
then let them hire their coordinators. If it works, it works,
If it doesn't, it doesn't. How would Lions feel about that?
Lions fans feel about that? How would the Lions organization
feel about that? That's the tricky part of Detroit. There
are some sneaky storylines, and we're gonna spend some time
this morning.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Getting into all of them.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
We're gonna get into the sneaky storylines, We're gonna get
into some college football, and obviously Caitlin Clark's on the
news too, We'll get into all of that. We're trying
to get some technical different the's worked out. Hopefully Buck
Rising will be with us soon. In the meantime, we'll
continue to break down the trading cam storylines, figure out
if we can get Buck with us.
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It's a bucking fits takeover, two pros and a cup
of Joe. But like this is it's like an eighties
wrestling tag team match. You guys know I love my
eighties wrestling analogies. As I sit here on my Saturday
Night's main event T shirt and see what's happening right
now is I'm in the ring by myself. I'm waiting
for a tag team partner to come in having some
technical difficulties with fuck he's gonna come swimming like he's
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gonna come just sprinting in late It takes everywhere, just
dropping everybody and the tag team will.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Be in full effect. But we're working some things out
in the meantime.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I I was just lamenting about the situation the Detroit
Lions are in so let me just be very clear here.
I think the Detroit Lions are in what I like
to call a yeah butt situation. And this is what
the hardest thing for anybody to do this time of year.
What we all like to do is figure that our
favorite team has made nothing but incredible improvements and that
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everybody else in our division sucks.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Like that's what we do, and I love to apply
universal benefit of the doubt. So the way I look at.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
It, when we're coming into a season, if you're gonna
presume that anything's going right for somebody, you have to
presume that everything's going right for everybody. So you gotta
if you're a Raiders fan like I am, instead of
looking through the the you know magnifying glass of well, look,
you know, Vegas has Geno and Vegas has Pete.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Carroll and Chip Kelly, and you know.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
They they turn around and draft ash Gent like you're
taking all of these positives.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You know, like these things are all gonna work.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
But then as Raiders fans we sit there and say, yeah,
but nothing that the Chargers is gonna work. And the
Chiefs offensive line still isn't fixed. And you know, bo
Nix was a one year wonder, so like you're taking
the worst case for everybody else and the best case
for your team, and then you wonder why you're wildly
disappointed in November, right, Like, maybe it's not always our
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teams that disappoint us.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Maybe sometimes it's.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
The way we view our teams going into the season
that set up unreal expectations. So because you have unrealistic
expectations from day one, now all of a sudden, you're
disappointed when you know the stripper that you dated for
a week turns out to not be marrying material. Like,
you just got to come in with realistic expectations where
you decide for every like look at your favorite team
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from all worst case and look at everybody else from
all worst case, or look at everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
From best case, and so I will be fair. And
I sat here and I said.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I think that the Lions are in a really difficult
situation in the middle of a Super Bowl window where
they turn around and they're replacing a bunch of their
coaches from everywhere, right, And that to me makes me nervous.
I would also say, there's a yeah butt for almost
everybody in the North, Like that's where the North gets
particularly interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
To me, because most people are sitting here telling you that.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
The NFC North is going to turn around and be
absolutely epic this year.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I'm not sure I'm buying that.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Like, if there's a division to me that you know
by loos sell high, if there's a division right now
that is worth selling, it might be the North because
I can make a pretty compel.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, but about the Lions not being able to be
who they were last year?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Also, I mean, is it not fair to turn around
and say, my god, every question we had about JJ
McCarthy the day he was drafted. I've covered the draft
every year in my career for ESPN, and now y'ah right,
I love covering the draft.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
When JJ McCarthy was drafted.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And everybody looked at me on set to have a
big take, my take was Mike Good, good old southernism,
Mike Good, is he gonna be great?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Mike could think about it.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
JJ was drafted because of all of the things that
Harball told us he is as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But how many of those things did we actually see?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
All the time, you got great film guys that are
having to dig deep into the film and say, no, actually,
if you look at this one pro over here, it'll
tell you. But it's not like Michigan turn around and
won a national championship based on the arm strength and
great quarterback play of JJ McCarthy could be great.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
What I do know is that you have a quarterback
that we were just presuming when he was drafted was
going to work out, and since he was drafted, had
an EE issue that required multiple surgeries, required multiple procedures,
and in the process, people close to the team have
said pretty clearly he lost a staggering amount of weight.
So now he's putting the weight back on and everybody
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just presumes it's going to come. And I talked to
Justin Jefferson for Yahoo. I talked to him last week.
Part of what we talked about was what's it looked
like for JJ, you know, because that's a huge unknown.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
You got a team that won fourteen games last year.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
It's now rolling the dice on another quarterback, on a
different quarterback, just saying here we go.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Is that not yet? If you're not a.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Vikings fan, you're looking around saying, well, JJ's not going
to be any good. If you're not a Lions fan,
you're looking around saying I don't know. I mean, I'm
not sure we can trust any of these new coordinators.
I'm not sure we can trust any of these coaches.
That's all real, and it doesn't end there for the North,
which is again everybody loves. But my god, we're just
presuming that Ben Johnson, a first time head coach, got
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everything right. The staff is built perfectly. He's gonna walk
right in and he's gonna be a head coach. That's
an absolute dream from day one.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
We're presuming that. Man, how many.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Coaches that are hired just turned out to suck.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
In fact, I've done this before.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
If you go back and you look at the ESPN rankings,
they rank every year like the coaching highers, they stopped
doing it, I think maybe two years ago where they
stopped doing a clear ranking. But if you looked at
their rankings year by year, the number of times their
highest ranked coach gets fired and their lowest ranked coach
does not is funny. In the year he was hired,
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Dan Campbell was the lowest ranked higher by ESPN dot
Com Dan Campbell, who were just now over here saying, yeah,
I don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
He could put any staff together. So, yeah, does it?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I mean, we all think Ben Johnson is going to
be great. How often are we actually right about that?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I don't know. It's a totally different job.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Being an offensive coordinator is a totally different job than
being a head Coach's part of why Dominq Foxworth smartly
said years ago that what owners need to start doing
is a combine for coaches for assistant coaches. Let them
prove that they actually have the ability to be head
coaches and manage game situations and manage people. My god,
you want a recent example of a well regarded offensive
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coordinator that turned out to be just a terrible head coach?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
How about every iteration of Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
So yeah, if you're a Bears fan, you're looking around saying,
look at all the money we spent, Oh look at it.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Gonna have all of the lines, gonna be better.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And that means that Caleb's not gonna have to run
as much and Ben Johnson is going to be able
to absolutely figure out the little tweaks that Caleb needs
so that he can be a superstar. Ben Johnson's going
to be the next Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay and
it's gonna work perfectly.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
That's what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I don't know, though, I mean, is it not fair
to also look around and say, well, what if?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
What if?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Just possibly Caleb Williams keeps running backwards. I think Caleb
Williams was clearly the number one pick in the draft,
and unfortunately for him, he went to a situation that
was just terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
The eber flu.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Situation terrible, Everything about the bear situation terrible. Caleb can
overcome that. I believe that.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I believe he's a really good player.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I'm just saying that the yeah butt is pretty easy
to find there.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, But maybe Caleb Williams just keeps.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Running backwards, holds a ball too long, tries to make
too many big plays. Maybe he's not a great fit
with Ben Johnson. Maybe the two of them don't align
the way everybody wants him to. Maybe Ben doesn't do
a great job of managing personalities in a locker room.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Like, all of these things are real and.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
They make for a really easy yeah, but in fact,
the hardest yeah but to find is with the Packers,
who I feel like sometimes are just lost in this conversation,
but also are we sure.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Jordan Love is that guy? Are we positive?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I mean again, if you're not a Packers fan, pretty
easy to pick that one is a reason to be like.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Well, I'm out. I'm out on this.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Like at some point, we have just anointed the North
is being the best division. We have anointed this whole thing,
like it's just gonna be flawless. It's gonna work out
exactly as it should.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I don't know if we.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Could say that. I want the Lions to be great.
I want the Vikings to be great. It's an interesting story,
and frankly, there's a reason why Detroit was the team
that went to the league this year in the offseason
and tried to petition to get seating changed. They wanted
to make sure that if they were the wildcard team
that won fourteen games that they would be just fine.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I don't blame them for that. And that speaks to
how good the North could be It or drop off?
And what's a drop off look like? Too?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Like if the Lions win ten games this year, is
that going to be considered successful?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
They're living in a different era now, right, Like if
the Vikings turn around.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And win ten games after winning fourteen last year? Is
that going to be considered successful?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I would I would consider essentially a rookie quarterback that
hasn't played any meaningful football and well over a year,
coming off of the injuries that he's had, leading a
team to ten wins in a playoff Perth, I would
consider that to be successful. With Vikings fans, with the
general media overall, that's a lot of pressure, like they
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are in a pressure cooker. I don't know what success.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Actually has to be. And that's the funny part of it.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Like for most teams, I mean, my god, the Bears
had the number one pick, earned the number one.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Pick two consecutive years.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
They traded out of it, but they earned the number
one pick two consecutive years. This franchise, the Bears franchise
has been trash for a minute. And if they turn
around and win six or seven games, Caleb looks pretty good.
I would consider that success. Hey, we're building something. I
would consider that to be something. Hey, this is moving
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in the right direction. But man, when you've been the
darling two years in a row, Because remember after Caleb
was drafted, a lot of people, a lot of people
were jumping on I did jumping on the Bears to
the playoff train. A bunch of us did it made sense?
We were wrong, right, So at some point you got
to look at this and say, what does success even
look like? I don't know what the answer to that is.
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And that's where it gets really tricky.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
For the North. Everybody loves the North.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I'm just not sure I'm fully in on it if
you're just tuning in, by the way, but it's fucking fits.
I'm Jason Fitz flying solo right now having some technical
difficulties with Buck.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
He'll be with us.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
We're gonna get Buck's just gonna take a second. We're
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you got me today, you got me tomorrow, you got me.
Saturday is always on the fellows. So I'll be hanging
out with you for the next several days so we
can we can do our early mornings together. Buck's got
some hot takes on quarterbacks. We'll get to all of
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that whenever we get book. In the meantime, looking at
the camp storylines coming in and teams that we think
maybe maybe everybody's sort of jumped too far on maybe
we're not looking at the entire picture on looking at
some of the teams that last year were great, that
maybe this year might not be in that situation. And
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it's just it's funny because the North is the easy
division to pick on.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Like we've we've gotten comfortable.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
With the fact that the NFC South and the AFC
South are just hot garbage right like until until proven otherwise,
those two divisions are just like I said earlier, we
need to remember what it feels like right now when
we don't have football and we're watching a terrible Thursday
night game, Like right now, every single person that likes football,
you would flock to your TV to watch the Titans
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play the Jags. You would you would turn around at
any point now by week fifteen when you're stuck with
the Titans versus the Jags or whatever week they inevitably
put them on Thursday night football, I don't have it
in front of me. Whatever week that inevitably happens, will
be flocking to it, there is no doubt about it.
But man, I just there are certain divisions that I'm
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not sure are going to be great, and it leads to.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
This whole.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Reminder of how bad some of the NFL was last year.
This is the other thing that I think we got
to remember coming into this season, Like right now, I'm
not sure we remember. It's like the end of a relationship,
Like when you first break up with somebody, it's the
end of your relationship.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
You have such a clear picture.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
And I say this every year, like this is the
offseason in the NFL, right the day the season ends,
you have such a clear picture of how bad your
team is, just like the day you break up with
but you have such a clear picture of.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
How bad your relationship is.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Right like you're you're good, you understand that it sucked,
you don't want anything to do with it. And then
a few months later you're like, oh, man, you know,
I wasn't that bad, Like I do miss you know,
I do miss the way we used to go places
and hang out like That's a couple months later, well
that's that's when your favorite team gets to free agency.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You're like, oh, I wasn't that bad.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
And then you know a few months after that, you're like, no,
I do I do miss hanging out with all of
our friends and like, that's that's the draft, and before
you know it, you know you've talked to yourself. By
the time you get to OTAs, now you're six months removed,
and all your remember at.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
The good times, like, oh man, the good times. We're
so good.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I gotta get her back. I gotta like, we got
to get back together. We're gonna make this the whole
thing work. You've convinced yourself that you're not crazy and
she's not crazy, and you end up getting back together,
and then like two weeks into getting back together, you're
arguing again.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You remember how crazy she was.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
That is the exact cycle of January to September for
all of us, for our favorite football team. You had
a really clear your picture in January of exactly what
your team is, and then you convinced yourself through free
agency that maybe a little bit was different, and you
convinced yourself in the draft that even more of it
was different. And then you got to OTAs and you're like,
I don't know, reports out of OTAs are good, and
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this is what you're gonna do. Man, If your offense
is absolutely lights out, if all of your training camp
reports are gonna be that the offense is lights out.
You're never gonna stop to think, well, maybe that means
the defense sucks. No, no, no, no, You're gonna sit
back and say that, look at this man.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Nobody can stop these wide receivers I've never heard of.
We are gonna be great. You get back together, you're excited.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Week two, Week three, you realize your team sucks again,
and all of a sudden, you're back in a destructive
relationship like that.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's what we do all the time.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
We do that, And I think what we have to
remember is that last year there was more bad than good.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Like when you start.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Looking back at last year's standings, I will remind everybody
that there was a staggering number, a staggering number of
truly terrible, terrible football teams. I mean, think about just
the battle to try and get to the first overall pick,
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and that was real. And it wasn't because teams were tanking.
This isn't the NBA. Everybody's not sitting everybody. This was
because genuinely, there were that many bad teams. I think
it was ten eleven teams last year that lost double
digit games.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Like I've pulled it up here. Look in the AFC alone, the.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Jets, the Patriots, the Raiders, the Browns, the Jags, and
the Titans. Those teams all lost twelve or more games.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Twelve or more.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
You got a bunch of teams there that lost thirteen games.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
That's wild to me.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
There was so much bad football last year, and it's
easy to look at it and say, well, that's an outlier.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Like the forty nine Ers went six and eleven last year.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Most people think the forty nine ers is gonna have
a big jump, a big bounce back season. I'm not
sure I'm buying that, but most people think that they're
gonna have a big bounce back season.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I think they're gonna have a mediocre bounce back season.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
But you start looking at some of these teams, like
if you had to bet your house today, you just
like you had to bet your house on a bunch
of on the Raiders suddenly turning around and having a
winning record, I'm talking going from thirteen losses to a
winning record. Are you really willing to bet on Justin
Fields and the Jets suddenly getting to a winning record,
The Raiders getting to a winning record, the Browns with
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that quarterback situation getting to the winning record, the Jags,
the Titans, heck even the Patriots, who are somehow favored
in whatever eleven games by Vegas. Would you really bet
your house on these teams suddenly being really good and
then the flip side, none of them taking a big
step back? Like, do we really think the Giants are
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gonna suddenly put themselves in a situation where they're.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
A great football team. I think we know the answer
to that.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
So there is this real chance, this real chance that
there's just a bunch of awful football this fall. And
that's the funny part of it to me, Like, right
now in this season a hole, my god, everybody's going
to turn around and win it all. You can't tell
a Giants fan anything because they believe Jackson Dart's going
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to be the answer.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Right, But what's more likely?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Is it more likely the Jackson Dart, in limited time
in training camp, is willing to and with limited preseason games. Now,
remember this isn't we got four preseason games and we
can watch them blow up. So you got limited preseason games,
limited snaps because there are three quarterbacks in camp. I
believe Jackson Dart should start Day one, but what do
you think is more likely Jackson Dart starts day one,
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absolutely takes the league over, has a Jaden Daniels like season.
Brian Dable absolutely becomes a Coach of the Year type candidate,
because that's what would happen from a three to fourteen
team that I absolutely turns it around to New York,
there's no.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
You think that's more likely and the Giants win eight games?
Or is it more likely that Jackson Dart gets stuck
on the bench because they want to try and figure
out how to develop them slowly, But by the time
he actually gets on the field, there's nothing left to
play for half the team has quit. Dable's one foot
out the door, and we're having a mid season conversation about, frankly,
whether or not they should simply fire the coach in
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the season or wait till the end of the season.
And by the end of the year, best case scenario,
Jackson Dart looks like he might be okay, but it's
going to be a different coaching staff that does it.
Also known as the Bears two point zero exactly what
we just watched with Eberflus. What would you bet your
house if you had to bet your house on one
of those two outcomes, which one is it?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I think for most of us it's the outcome where
the Giants suck. Now that that is real.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
We are so starved for football right now that we
cannot wait for all of it.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
But what we're forgetting is that a lot of these
teams are still going to be bad.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Like, do you believe that the Saints are gonna be
worth the damn?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Do you believe the Panthers are gonna be worth it?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Are you really willing to bet that Michael Pennick Junior,
who last year threw for about seven hundred and fifty
yards for the entire year, that that limited scope of
Michael Pennick Junior is so stinking good that the entire
organization turns around, that they have this just mammoth year
for the Falcons. I wouldn't bet on it more often
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than not, like I need more proof of concept. I
said the same thing after eight games of Jordan Love,
when everybody wanted to turn around.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And just eight good games.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
He had half a half a year that was bad,
and it was like no, no, no, He's gonna be fine.
And then half a year that was good, and everybody said, oh, yeah,
pay the man, and now we're like, well, I don't know,
I'm not really sure, Like that's the best case scenario
for Pedix.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Like that is that is wild success for Penix.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
There is so much opportunity for bad across the landscape
of the NFL this year that it's kind of laughable.
And the best way that we can get a sense
of that is to apply that universal benefit of the
doubt or lack thereof across the entire landscape. You you listening,
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you know your favorite team better than ninety nine percent
of the world.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And if you truly sat down and made a.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Best case worst case list for your favorite team and
then did the same thing across the board for everybody
else in your favorite team's division, that might give you
the most realistic picture.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Of what you're actually looking at. It's not sexy.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
It's not fun, my god, it's not fun as a
fan of a team that sucks every year to turn
around and be like, yeah, Chief's probably going to win
the division. Chargers probably gonna be pretty damn good, because
they were better than.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I thought they'd be last year.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
And you know bo Nick's side, I didn't see it coming,
but man Sean Payton did, and so the Bronkers is
going to be pretty good.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Like, that's that's not fun.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
It's way easier to step back and say, you know what,
the Chiefs still don't have an offensive line.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Kelsey's really cooked. He can't do this again.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
It's gonna be fine, Like the Chiefs are gonna take
that little step back.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
They can't keep getting lucky. That's the other narrative we
love to do.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
The Chargers are always hurt, so their stars aren't gonna
turn out to be anything. And bo Nix is overrated
and was a one year wonder that didn't really do
as much as we think, and they still don't have
enough weapons. Like it's easy to do all of that.
It's easy, but it's not accurate. I'll just remind everybody
that the reason you're going to be miserable in October
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and November isn't just because your favorite team stinks. The
reason you're gonna be miserable in October and November is
because you put unrealistic expectations around what your team looked
like and everybody else in the division. You got back
with the crazy girl, and now your friends are gonna
laugh at you for getting back with the crazy girl
when you're heartbroken.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yet again.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
That being said, it's what we do. It's what we
do every single time. We're gonna try and get Buck
Rising in. It's Bucking Fits Takeover on Fox Sports Radio.
I'm Jason Fitz hanging out with you. Coming up huge,
huge news in the WNBA that actually impacts this weekend
more than you would ever think. I'll tell you about
it next again, Bucking Fits taking over Two Pros and
(34:06):
a Cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
WNBA fans are broken hearted. Look at that playing into
my bon Jovi. It's a Buck and Fits takeover of
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Bon Jovi was
my first concert. I'm just gonna let this go. God,
I'm telling you sing it. This was the Heyday two.
Because let's be honest, John's not as good without Richie,
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Uh Richie Sambora Like I'm the Richie Samboro of this tandem.
Buck Rising is definitely the lead singer, but technical difficulties
still have me able to FaceTime. But like, I can
see Buck rising, So just so in case anybody thinks
that Buck is asleep, which you know, frankly would have
been my assumption had I not been able to FaceTime. Man,
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I can see him. We just can't hear him yet,
so you don't get to hear his sensual vocals. But
we're working on that as we take over. Two pros and.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
A cup of shoe on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
By the way, at Home Depot, it's about time for
pros to source the whole job with one partner.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Ask about all we.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Can do for you at the pro desk the Home
Depot pro, it's about time. Big news in the W
and I was watching it when it happened. Caitlin Clark injured.
It looked like she reinjured her groin in the last
game and now is going to miss the game against
the Liberty. I will say loudly that is of no consequence.
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You don't care about the game against the Liberty. It
was Shane Gillis. I'll give him credit last night for
a joke last night in the sb's model.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I did not watch the sb's.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
But Shane was all over the place with his monologue
last night. It was all over social media. Hysterical moment
when he pointed out a fake WNBA star he named
the fake w NBA star. The camera went to the
fake WNBA star, and then Shane called out the entire
audience for not knowing anybody in the WNBA. It was
a brilliant moment. He was absolutely spectacular from what I
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saw on social media. But I realize that most of
you are not clamoring to watch the indie naf for
take on the New York Liberty.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I am that nerd that would watch it.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
But the bigger consequence here is that the injury now
has Caitlin doubtful. They're not sure what her status will
be for the All Star Game and All Star festivities.
That that is the catastrophic loss. Like I would argue
the Caitlin the minute she was hurt, just put her
in a glass box and shut her down and get
her ready for the All Star Game. The most important
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thing here is the All Star Game, because that's the
opportunity to come out. Like between the three point shooting
contests and the skills competition and the fact that you know,
I know there was controversy about the voting in the
All Star I will tell everybody to research a little
bit how voting is done. But Caitlin was the team captain,
got to pick her team against an the Feesis team,
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and so there's.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
This real opportunity.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Like I say all the time, championships and All Star
Games have a very specific purpose.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
A Super Bowl is not for the diehards. It just isn't.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
The AFC Championship in the NFC championship games might be
for diehards, but the super.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Bowls for cashubles.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
The Super Bowls for people that you know, just rarely
watch football, but they're all going to go to a
party because it's the Super Bowl. That's what championships are
meant for. The college football Championship game is the opportunity
for the whole world people that would never otherwise pay
attention to the sport. You really want to bring those
people in. All Star games used to be that there
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used to be so much meaning to the opportunity to
see NBA All Stars take each other on. The All
Star Game was a big deal. When I was a kid.
The All Star Game was something that we all flocked
to watch. But also remember that was an era where
you didn't get to see Michael and Magic every day.
I think we forget that sometimes that again, I'll be
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old man on the block here, Like I used to
have to sit there and wait for the ten minute
ticker to come up on NBC just to see the
Raiders score. If they weren't on TV, there was no
way for.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Me to know it.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Like there was no Internet when I was a kid.
There was no way to track these games when I
was a kid. So an All Star game was a
real opportunity to see an Olympic style team take each
other on in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
That had meaning to all of us. We all wanted
to see.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
That All Star games are for casuals and they're an
opportunity to really cement concepts and superstars. Right now, there's
plenty of conversation about the W and I think it's
pretty polarizing. I think it's pretty fair to say that
for every person right now that is enjoying the W,
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there's five people that are loudly screaming about problems in
the WM. Frankly, I think of those five people screaming,
four out of five haven't watched a w game all year,
so they don't really know what they're screaming. That's just
modern culture and just we yell at a social media
highlight we see and we just presume that that's actually
reflective of what the games are.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
That's real.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
So to me, the WNBA All Star Game is an
opportunity to maybe show some things. Hopefully show like a
skills competition and a three point competition is a chance
to show some of these stars and maybe change some
of the narratives. It's a chance to help grow other stars.
Sophie Cunningham is a perfect example of just by being
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Caitlin Clark adjacent, she has become a superstar, at least
on social media. Right, So this is an opportunity. How
many people are going to watch the WNBA All Star
festivities if they don't include Caitlyn Clark? They were being real,
Like the number of people that will watch it are
the same number of people that are such diehards they're
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gonna watch it anyway. I was sitting last night in
a sushi place getting dinner. Flag football was on. I
was riveted. I was riveted by flag football.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I watched it.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I thought I should watch more flag football. Now I'm
not going to, but I thought I should watch more
flag football because it was fun in the moment.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Right. How many people just walking around.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Or just sitting in a bar this weekend see the
WNBA All Star festivities and they see Caitlin and they
watch it, and then maybe they see another player that
they like, maybe they see somebody else that they're super into.
But the WNBA All Star Game without Kaitlin is like
watching a normal golf tournament without Tiger.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Nobody does it. Now.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Golf guy can tweet me and be like, oh, if
you're not paying attention, it's not the point.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
The point is nobody's paying attention. The current group.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Of golfers do not make casual people give a damn.
Just like the current flock of WNBA players not named
Kitlin Clark. Need Caitlin at that game, at that festivities,
at that function for everybody else to care. That's the
blown opportunity. This is huge for the WNBA. It's huge
for Caitlin. Obviously she needs to get healthy. That's first
and foremost long term, but short term, this is a
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massive blow for attention for the league. Keep spending some
attention on the w NBA, but college football playoff.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
What's it gonna look like? Will answer that next
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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. The dog days this
summer are almost over. We have suffered through months of
trying to figure out how to get to football, and
by god, it's finally here.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
The Chargers have gone into camp.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
That means we finally get to the spot where we
can speculate about everything for every second of every day.
And for some reason, it feels better to speculate about
this that we all love that it does have the
time to talk about actual sports going on right now.
It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. It's actually
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technical difficulties out of the gate with buck He's here,
but it's gonna take him a second to actually get here.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
We cannot prove, we cannot confirm nor.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Deny whether or not that's just because he had a
big night on Lower Broadway. But for the next three
hours we will be taking over Fox Sports Radio. And y'all,
I'm just gonna be honest with you, Like, things are
so slow in this industry right now, in this business
is doing what we do. Things are so quiet that
the Spies exist, And like everybody knows, I.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Worked at ESPN for years. Love that place. They changed
my life. It's absolutely spectacular.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
But the funniest part about the spi'st is they exist
because ESPN looked around and said, you know what, there's
nothing else to talk about, so let's create an award show.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So at least we have.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Something we can put on air, and we can put
on our shows. That's the real catalyst for why the
SP's exist.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It is that quiet right now, and then you look
around and you say, well, minute, what's going to change it?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
All the Chargers going to camp now think about the
era we all grow up. If you're a middle aged person,
listening to this show at all will allow middle aged
to be defined.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
However, we so choose, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
But if you're a middle aged person listening to this
show at all, you sort of know what life used
to be like. Like there was a period to be
the old man on the block and Buck would be
making fun of me for this right now, But there
was a period where, like think about in my childhood,
the only way that you knew what was going on
with your favorite team. This is real, is you had
to go down to the corner store and buy a
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USA Today. Like you literally had to every Friday. I
would walk down to the USA Today or to the
corner store. I would pick up my USA Today and
they'd have little paragraphs on every game coming up over
the weekend, and that's how I would read what was
going to happen that weekend for my beloved Raiders.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And every Monday I would go running back to that.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Same corner store to pick up a USA Today on
the hopes that there might be, you know, if you
were lucky, a picture of your favorite team along with
the RecA from the game.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's how hard it was pre you know.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
The existence of the internet to what we understand now
to actually follow your favorite football team. That's real, you know,
And so you think about how we've gone from that
to a society where in training camp we are all
going to fall in love with somebody based solely on
the tweets of reporters that are telling us that somebody
looks pretty good. We are so thirsty right now for
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actual football, and we need to remember this because this
is what's gonna happen. I'm usually on The Fellows on
the weekends with Anthony Gargano, and if you ever listen
to The Fellows on Fox Sports Radio, we spend every
Saturday morning just going.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Through the college football sleep.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
We spend every Saturday morning going through every ounce of
what we see in college football just to sit there
and love the game. It's so much of Saturday's content
is us talking about college football, right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Think about it, though, about three weeks in, we are.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Going to, as a communal football love society, be complaining
so much about cupcakes, bad games. Whoever the SEC is
scheduled in one particular week.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That none of us want to watch.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
We're going to be complaining violently about all of the
just terrible matchups and how could they do this?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
We waited all year.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
To get football, and now we're already stuck with some
random Alabama versus Liberty.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Type game that nobody wants to watch.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
That's what we're going to be saying. And when that happens,
what we need to do is just take a big,
giant step back and remember how we felt this summer.
We are genuinely at a spot where you know this,
You've done it with your friends, you see it on
social media.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
There are countdowns everywhere.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Forty three days no football, forty days until we get
like that's what we are counting down every single element
of what we expect, just because we are that excited.
So yeah, we're at a spot where we're ma making
up award shows to try and figure out how to
create content because nobody really wants to talk about baseball.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Sorry, baseball guys, Like, I'm sorry. Like the crazy part
about this is the numbers bear out.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
The majority of the sports talk radio audience would rather
listen to talk about Shane Gillison an award show than
they would about actual Major League baseball games going on
right now.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That's real.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
So we are now at the spot where we get
to stop trying to figure out ways to stretch and
start getting into training camp and when you start thinking
about training camp. To me, man, there are a bunch
of things that are interesting, there's a bunch of things
that are wild.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
But there's one thing that I think that we've just
forgotten about over and over and over again. That's it.
The Lions are in a year of transition.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Think about Detroit right now, and let's be consistent with
the way that we talk about certain teams.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Okay, so the Lions have gone from being living in
what I always like to call the.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Sea of suck, right, the Lions have gone from living
in the sea of suck to the land of benefit
of the doubt. Go from being just perennially bad every
single year you're awful.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
We presume you're gonna be awful.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
When you suddenly wake up and you're not awful every day,
when you suddenly wake up and you're good, Well, now
you get that crazy thing.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Called benefit of the doubt. But sometimes you got to
peel all of that away.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You gotta peel away what we think is going to happen,
and you got to start looking at the actual information
to form the opinion. So let me ask you how
many teams can lose their offensive coordinator, their defensive coordinator
and a bunch of their coaches in the same year
and have absolutely.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
No fall off. Remember a few years ago in Philly.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I mean, we've seen it go really well in Philly,
and we've seen to go really bad, to the point
that all of a sudden, Syrianna was on the hot seat.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
But then it went well again.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
When you start talking about change and you start talking
about the way we look at things in training camp,
to lose your offensive coordinator obviously Ben Johnson is now
the head coach of the Chicago Bears, right, and you
lose your defensive coordinator, Aaron glenn is now the head
coach of the New York Jets. You've lost two huge pieces.
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And I don't know how we can just assume that
Dan Campbell is just gonna nail every single higher like.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Most coaches don't.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Most coaches, especially like think about the different styles of coaches. Okay,
if you're Sean McVay and you're gonna lose a quarterbacks
coach or an offensive mind of some sort, you're really
the offensive guy that pushes all the buttons. You know,
if you're already in control of a large portion of
your team, losing a coordinator can be something you get
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through because you're gonna call all those plays anyways. You're
gonna be that guy anyway, right, So taking that sort
of a blow is survivable. You can look around and say, Okay,
it's a little bit of a change. Is that how
we think of Dan Campbell? Like, do we sit here
right now and think of Dan Campbell as being the
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guru on the offensive defensive side of the ball that
if all things start falling apart, will simply take back
the play calling and make it work himself. It's not
the type of coach he is. There's nothing wrong with that,
but that's not the type of coach he is. So
just as we've seen other teams have issues trying to
figure out how to replace coordinators, is it not fair
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to look at a Detroit team It was great last year?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
They were great, and wonder man if.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
If part of the reason they were great is that
they had the best offensive mind. The guy that's going
to go to Chicago and suddenly win so many games,
the guy that's going to make sure that Kayleb Williams
is the superstar, the guy that is going to catapult
the Bears into playoff relevance.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That guy.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
He's such a good coach that he was the most
coveted coach for most teams across the entire league. That's
how good he was. He's the guy everybody wanted to hire.
He's gone now, so you just replace him, and there's
no drop off. You replace, in the minds of many,
one of them not the best offensive coordinator. The only
way there's no drop off is if Dan Campbell hires
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the next Ben Johnson. Think about how damn hard that is. Like,
that's not just something you wake up and do. Aaron
Glenn goes to the Jets, where immediately he's putting his
stamp on that organization. The Jets had a big week.
They paid a couple of their young guys. They showed
everybody they believed that the young corps is there, and
they believe that this team can be built, and they
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believe that Aaron Glenn is going to be the person
that does that for him. So you're not just trying
to replace a defensive coordinator. You're not just trying to
replace an offensive coordinator. You're trying to replace a coordinator
that is so good they are one of the best
in the league and they were coveted to become head coaches.
That means you can't just get the higher right. You
got to get the higher right, and you're doing it
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while you're in your super Bowl window. That's the other
part of this for the Lions, Like we are past
the point of the Lions being a cute story and
we are at the point now where the Lions are
a super Bowl contenttor.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
The Lions just supposed to be them.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
They're supposed to be one of these teams that we
can absolutely bank on is going to be contending for
the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So you're not talking about, hey, we'll easily do it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
We'll get we'll get it all right, it'll feel good
over time, Like those aren't luxuries that the Lions have
right now. A wasted year for a team in their
super Bowl window is catastrophic. It's so hard to get
to this point. It's so hard to beat at the
spot where you can genuinely win at the highest possible level.
If you're talking about the Lions and looking around, Sure,
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if the expectation was the Lions we're gonna win eight games,
then great, Fine. If they're only gonna win eight games,
then let them hire their coordinators. If it works, it works,
If it doesn't, it doesn't. How would Lions feel about that?
Lions fans feel about that? How would the Lions organization
feel about that? That's the tricky part of Detroit. There
are some sneaky storylines, and we're gonna spend some time
this morning.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Getting into all of them.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
We're gonna get into the sneaky storylines, We're gonna get
into some college football, and obviously Caitlin Clark's on the
news too, We'll get into all of that. We're trying
to get some technical different the's worked out. Hopefully Buck
Rising will be with us soon. In the meantime, we'll
continue to break down the trading cam storylines, figure out
if we can get Buck with us.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
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Speaker 3 (11:56):
It's a bucking fits takeover, two pros and a cup
of Joe. But like this is it's like an eighties
wrestling tag team match. You guys know I love my
eighties wrestling analogies. As I sit here on my Saturday
Night's main event T shirt and see what's happening right
now is I'm in the ring by myself. I'm waiting
for a tag team partner to come in having some
technical difficulties with fuck he's gonna come swimming like he's
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gonna come just sprinting in late It takes everywhere, just
dropping everybody and the tag team will.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Be in full effect. But we're working some things out
in the meantime.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I I was just lamenting about the situation the Detroit
Lions are in so let me just be very clear here.
I think the Detroit Lions are in what I like
to call a yeah butt situation. And this is what
the hardest thing for anybody to do this time of year.
What we all like to do is figure that our
favorite team has made nothing but incredible improvements and that
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everybody else in our division sucks.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Like that's what we do, and I love to apply
universal benefit of the doubt. So the way I look at.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
It, when we're coming into a season, if you're gonna
presume that anything's going right for somebody, you have to
presume that everything's going right for everybody. So you gotta
if you're a Raiders fan like I am, instead of
looking through the the you know magnifying glass of well, look,
you know, Vegas has Geno and Vegas has Pete.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Carroll and Chip Kelly, and you know.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
They they turn around and draft ash Gent like you're
taking all of these positives.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You know, like these things are all gonna work.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
But then as Raiders fans we sit there and say, yeah,
but nothing that the Chargers is gonna work. And the
Chiefs offensive line still isn't fixed. And you know, bo
Nix was a one year wonder, so like you're taking
the worst case for everybody else and the best case
for your team, and then you wonder why you're wildly
disappointed in November, right, Like, maybe it's not always our
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teams that disappoint us.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Maybe sometimes it's.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
The way we view our teams going into the season
that set up unreal expectations. So because you have unrealistic
expectations from day one, now all of a sudden, you're
disappointed when you know the stripper that you dated for
a week turns out to not be marrying material. Like,
you just got to come in with realistic expectations where
you decide for every like look at your favorite team
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from all worst case and look at everybody else from
all worst case, or look at everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
From best case, and so I will be fair. And
I sat here and I said.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I think that the Lions are in a really difficult
situation in the middle of a Super Bowl window where
they turn around and they're replacing a bunch of their
coaches from everywhere, right, And that to me makes me nervous.
I would also say, there's a yeah butt for almost
everybody in the North, Like that's where the North gets
particularly interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
To me, because most people are sitting here telling you that.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
The NFC North is going to turn around and be
absolutely epic this year.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I'm not sure I'm buying that.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Like, if there's a division to me that you know
by loos sell high, if there's a division right now
that is worth selling, it might be the North because
I can make a pretty compel.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, but about the Lions not being able to be
who they were last year?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Also, I mean, is it not fair to turn around
and say, my god, every question we had about JJ
McCarthy the day he was drafted. I've covered the draft
every year in my career for ESPN, and now y'ah right,
I love covering the draft.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
When JJ McCarthy was drafted.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And everybody looked at me on set to have a
big take, my take was Mike Good, good old southernism,
Mike Good, is he gonna be great?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Mike could think about it.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
JJ was drafted because of all of the things that
Harball told us he is as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But how many of those things did we actually see?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
All the time, you got great film guys that are
having to dig deep into the film and say, no, actually,
if you look at this one pro over here, it'll
tell you. But it's not like Michigan turn around and
won a national championship based on the arm strength and
great quarterback play of JJ McCarthy could be great.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
What I do know is that you have a quarterback
that we were just presuming when he was drafted was
going to work out, and since he was drafted, had
an EE issue that required multiple surgeries, required multiple procedures,
and in the process, people close to the team have
said pretty clearly he lost a staggering amount of weight.
So now he's putting the weight back on and everybody
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just presumes it's going to come. And I talked to
Justin Jefferson for Yahoo. I talked to him last week.
Part of what we talked about was what's it looked
like for JJ, you know, because that's a huge unknown.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
You got a team that won fourteen games last year.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
It's now rolling the dice on another quarterback, on a
different quarterback, just saying here we go.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Is that not yet? If you're not a.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Vikings fan, you're looking around saying, well, JJ's not going
to be any good. If you're not a Lions fan,
you're looking around saying I don't know. I mean, I'm
not sure we can trust any of these new coordinators.
I'm not sure we can trust any of these coaches.
That's all real, and it doesn't end there for the North,
which is again everybody loves. But my god, we're just
presuming that Ben Johnson, a first time head coach, got
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everything right. The staff is built perfectly. He's gonna walk
right in and he's gonna be a head coach. That's
an absolute dream from day one.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
We're presuming that. Man, how many.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Coaches that are hired just turned out to suck.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
In fact, I've done this before.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
If you go back and you look at the ESPN rankings,
they rank every year like the coaching highers, they stopped
doing it, I think maybe two years ago where they
stopped doing a clear ranking. But if you looked at
their rankings year by year, the number of times their
highest ranked coach gets fired and their lowest ranked coach
does not is funny. In the year he was hired,
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Dan Campbell was the lowest ranked higher by ESPN dot
Com Dan Campbell, who were just now over here saying, yeah,
I don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
He could put any staff together. So, yeah, does it?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I mean, we all think Ben Johnson is going to
be great. How often are we actually right about that?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I don't know. It's a totally different job.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Being an offensive coordinator is a totally different job than
being a head Coach's part of why Dominq Foxworth smartly
said years ago that what owners need to start doing
is a combine for coaches for assistant coaches. Let them
prove that they actually have the ability to be head
coaches and manage game situations and manage people. My god,
you want a recent example of a well regarded offensive
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coordinator that turned out to be just a terrible head coach?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
How about every iteration of Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
So yeah, if you're a Bears fan, you're looking around saying,
look at all the money we spent, Oh look at it.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Gonna have all of the lines, gonna be better.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And that means that Caleb's not gonna have to run
as much and Ben Johnson is going to be able
to absolutely figure out the little tweaks that Caleb needs
so that he can be a superstar. Ben Johnson's going
to be the next Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay and
it's gonna work perfectly.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
That's what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I don't know, though, I mean, is it not fair
to also look around and say, well, what if?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
What if?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Just possibly Caleb Williams keeps running backwards. I think Caleb
Williams was clearly the number one pick in the draft,
and unfortunately for him, he went to a situation that
was just terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
The eber flu.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Situation terrible, Everything about the bear situation terrible. Caleb can
overcome that. I believe that.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I believe he's a really good player.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I'm just saying that the yeah butt is pretty easy
to find there.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, But maybe Caleb Williams just keeps.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Running backwards, holds a ball too long, tries to make
too many big plays. Maybe he's not a great fit
with Ben Johnson. Maybe the two of them don't align
the way everybody wants him to. Maybe Ben doesn't do
a great job of managing personalities in a locker room.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Like, all of these things are real and.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
They make for a really easy yeah, but in fact,
the hardest yeah but to find is with the Packers,
who I feel like sometimes are just lost in this conversation,
but also are we sure.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Jordan Love is that guy? Are we positive?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I mean again, if you're not a Packers fan, pretty
easy to pick that one is a reason to be like.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Well, I'm out. I'm out on this.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Like at some point, we have just anointed the North
is being the best division. We have anointed this whole thing,
like it's just gonna be flawless. It's gonna work out
exactly as it should.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I don't know if we.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Could say that. I want the Lions to be great.
I want the Vikings to be great. It's an interesting story,
and frankly, there's a reason why Detroit was the team
that went to the league this year in the offseason
and tried to petition to get seating changed. They wanted
to make sure that if they were the wildcard team
that won fourteen games that they would be just fine.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I don't blame them for that. And that speaks to
how good the North could be It or drop off?
And what's a drop off look like? Too?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Like if the Lions win ten games this year, is
that going to be considered successful?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
They're living in a different era now, right, Like if
the Vikings turn around.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And win ten games after winning fourteen last year? Is
that going to be considered successful?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I would I would consider essentially a rookie quarterback that
hasn't played any meaningful football and well over a year,
coming off of the injuries that he's had, leading a
team to ten wins in a playoff Perth, I would
consider that to be successful. With Vikings fans, with the
general media overall, that's a lot of pressure, like they
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are in a pressure cooker. I don't know what success.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Actually has to be. And that's the funny part of it.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Like for most teams, I mean, my god, the Bears
had the number one pick, earned the number one.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Pick two consecutive years.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
They traded out of it, but they earned the number
one pick two consecutive years. This franchise, the Bears franchise
has been trash for a minute. And if they turn
around and win six or seven games, Caleb looks pretty good.
I would consider that success. Hey, we're building something. I
would consider that to be something. Hey, this is moving
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in the right direction. But man, when you've been the
darling two years in a row, Because remember after Caleb
was drafted, a lot of people, a lot of people
were jumping on I did jumping on the Bears to
the playoff train. A bunch of us did it made sense?
We were wrong, right, So at some point you got
to look at this and say, what does success even
look like? I don't know what the answer to that is.
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And that's where it gets really tricky.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
For the North. Everybody loves the North.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I'm just not sure I'm fully in on it if
you're just tuning in, by the way, but it's fucking fits.
I'm Jason Fitz flying solo right now having some technical
difficulties with Buck.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
He'll be with us.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
We're gonna get Buck's just gonna take a second. We're
in on two pros and a cup of Joe on
Fox Sports Radio, hanging out with you. I'll be here
for the next couple of Like if you're an early riser,
you got me today, you got me tomorrow, you got me.
Saturday is always on the fellows. So I'll be hanging
out with you for the next several days so we
can we can do our early mornings together. Buck's got
some hot takes on quarterbacks. We'll get to all of
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that whenever we get book. In the meantime, looking at
the camp storylines coming in and teams that we think
maybe maybe everybody's sort of jumped too far on maybe
we're not looking at the entire picture on looking at
some of the teams that last year were great, that
maybe this year might not be in that situation. And
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it's just it's funny because the North is the easy
division to pick on.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Like we've we've gotten comfortable.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
With the fact that the NFC South and the AFC
South are just hot garbage right like until until proven otherwise,
those two divisions are just like I said earlier, we
need to remember what it feels like right now when
we don't have football and we're watching a terrible Thursday
night game, Like right now, every single person that likes football,
you would flock to your TV to watch the Titans
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play the Jags. You would you would turn around at
any point now by week fifteen when you're stuck with
the Titans versus the Jags or whatever week they inevitably
put them on Thursday night football, I don't have it
in front of me. Whatever week that inevitably happens, will
be flocking to it, there is no doubt about it.
But man, I just there are certain divisions that I'm
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not sure are going to be great, and it leads to.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
This whole.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Reminder of how bad some of the NFL was last year.
This is the other thing that I think we got
to remember coming into this season, Like right now, I'm
not sure we remember. It's like the end of a relationship,
Like when you first break up with somebody, it's the
end of your relationship.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
You have such a clear picture.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
And I say this every year, like this is the
offseason in the NFL, right the day the season ends,
you have such a clear picture of how bad your
team is, just like the day you break up with
but you have such a clear picture of.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
How bad your relationship is.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Right like you're you're good, you understand that it sucked,
you don't want anything to do with it. And then
a few months later you're like, oh, man, you know,
I wasn't that bad, Like I do miss you know,
I do miss the way we used to go places
and hang out like That's a couple months later, well
that's that's when your favorite team gets to free agency.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You're like, oh, I wasn't that bad.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
And then you know a few months after that, you're like, no,
I do I do miss hanging out with all of
our friends and like, that's that's the draft, and before
you know it, you know you've talked to yourself. By
the time you get to OTAs, now you're six months removed,
and all your remember at.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
The good times, like, oh man, the good times. We're
so good.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I gotta get her back. I gotta like, we got
to get back together. We're gonna make this the whole
thing work. You've convinced yourself that you're not crazy and
she's not crazy, and you end up getting back together,
and then like two weeks into getting back together, you're
arguing again.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You remember how crazy she was.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
That is the exact cycle of January to September for
all of us, for our favorite football team. You had
a really clear your picture in January of exactly what
your team is, and then you convinced yourself through free
agency that maybe a little bit was different, and you
convinced yourself in the draft that even more of it
was different. And then you got to OTAs and you're like,
I don't know, reports out of OTAs are good, and
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this is what you're gonna do. Man, If your offense
is absolutely lights out, if all of your training camp
reports are gonna be that the offense is lights out.
You're never gonna stop to think, well, maybe that means
the defense sucks. No, no, no, no, You're gonna sit
back and say that, look at this man.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Nobody can stop these wide receivers I've never heard of.
We are gonna be great. You get back together, you're excited.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Week two, Week three, you realize your team sucks again,
and all of a sudden, you're back in a destructive
relationship like that.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's what we do all the time.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
We do that, And I think what we have to
remember is that last year there was more bad than good.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Like when you start.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Looking back at last year's standings, I will remind everybody
that there was a staggering number, a staggering number of
truly terrible, terrible football teams. I mean, think about just
the battle to try and get to the first overall pick,
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and that was real. And it wasn't because teams were tanking.
This isn't the NBA. Everybody's not sitting everybody. This was
because genuinely, there were that many bad teams. I think
it was ten eleven teams last year that lost double
digit games.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Like I've pulled it up here. Look in the AFC alone, the.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Jets, the Patriots, the Raiders, the Browns, the Jags, and
the Titans. Those teams all lost twelve or more games.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Twelve or more.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
You got a bunch of teams there that lost thirteen games.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
That's wild to me.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
There was so much bad football last year, and it's
easy to look at it and say, well, that's an outlier.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Like the forty nine Ers went six and eleven last year.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Most people think the forty nine ers is gonna have
a big jump, a big bounce back season. I'm not
sure I'm buying that, but most people think that they're
gonna have a big bounce back season.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I think they're gonna have a mediocre bounce back season.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
But you start looking at some of these teams, like
if you had to bet your house today, you just
like you had to bet your house on a bunch
of on the Raiders suddenly turning around and having a
winning record, I'm talking going from thirteen losses to a
winning record. Are you really willing to bet on Justin
Fields and the Jets suddenly getting to a winning record,
The Raiders getting to a winning record, the Browns with
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that quarterback situation getting to the winning record, the Jags,
the Titans, heck even the Patriots, who are somehow favored
in whatever eleven games by Vegas. Would you really bet
your house on these teams suddenly being really good and
then the flip side, none of them taking a big
step back? Like, do we really think the Giants are
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gonna suddenly put themselves in a situation where they're.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
A great football team. I think we know the answer
to that.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
So there is this real chance, this real chance that
there's just a bunch of awful football this fall. And
that's the funny part of it to me, Like, right
now in this season a hole, my god, everybody's going
to turn around and win it all. You can't tell
a Giants fan anything because they believe Jackson Dart's going
(29:24):
to be the answer.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Right, But what's more likely?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Is it more likely the Jackson Dart, in limited time
in training camp, is willing to and with limited preseason games. Now,
remember this isn't we got four preseason games and we
can watch them blow up. So you got limited preseason games,
limited snaps because there are three quarterbacks in camp. I
believe Jackson Dart should start Day one, but what do
you think is more likely Jackson Dart starts day one,
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absolutely takes the league over, has a Jaden Daniels like season.
Brian Dable absolutely becomes a Coach of the Year type candidate,
because that's what would happen from a three to fourteen
team that I absolutely turns it around to New York,
there's no.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
You think that's more likely and the Giants win eight games?
Or is it more likely that Jackson Dart gets stuck
on the bench because they want to try and figure
out how to develop them slowly, But by the time
he actually gets on the field, there's nothing left to
play for half the team has quit. Dable's one foot
out the door, and we're having a mid season conversation about, frankly,
whether or not they should simply fire the coach in
(30:24):
the season or wait till the end of the season.
And by the end of the year, best case scenario,
Jackson Dart looks like he might be okay, but it's
going to be a different coaching staff that does it.
Also known as the Bears two point zero exactly what
we just watched with Eberflus. What would you bet your
house if you had to bet your house on one
of those two outcomes, which one is it?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I think for most of us it's the outcome where
the Giants suck. Now that that is real.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
We are so starved for football right now that we
cannot wait for all of it.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
But what we're forgetting is that a lot of these
teams are still going to be bad.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Like, do you believe that the Saints are gonna be
worth the damn?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Do you believe the Panthers are gonna be worth it?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Are you really willing to bet that Michael Pennick Junior,
who last year threw for about seven hundred and fifty
yards for the entire year, that that limited scope of
Michael Pennick Junior is so stinking good that the entire
organization turns around, that they have this just mammoth year
for the Falcons. I wouldn't bet on it more often
(31:25):
than not, like I need more proof of concept. I
said the same thing after eight games of Jordan Love,
when everybody wanted to turn around.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And just eight good games.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
He had half a half a year that was bad,
and it was like no, no, no, He's gonna be fine.
And then half a year that was good, and everybody said, oh, yeah,
pay the man, and now we're like, well, I don't know,
I'm not really sure, Like that's the best case scenario
for Pedix.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Like that is that is wild success for Penix.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
There is so much opportunity for bad across the landscape
of the NFL this year that it's kind of laughable.
And the best way that we can get a sense
of that is to apply that universal benefit of the
doubt or lack thereof across the entire landscape. You you listening,
(32:12):
you know your favorite team better than ninety nine percent
of the world.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And if you truly sat down and made a.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Best case worst case list for your favorite team and
then did the same thing across the board for everybody
else in your favorite team's division, that might give you
the most realistic picture.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Of what you're actually looking at. It's not sexy.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
It's not fun, my god, it's not fun as a
fan of a team that sucks every year to turn
around and be like, yeah, Chief's probably going to win
the division. Chargers probably gonna be pretty damn good, because
they were better than.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I thought they'd be last year.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
And you know bo Nick's side, I didn't see it coming,
but man Sean Payton did, and so the Bronkers is
going to be pretty good.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Like, that's that's not fun.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
It's way easier to step back and say, you know what,
the Chiefs still don't have an offensive line.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Kelsey's really cooked. He can't do this again.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
It's gonna be fine, Like the Chiefs are gonna take
that little step back.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
They can't keep getting lucky. That's the other narrative we
love to do.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
The Chargers are always hurt, so their stars aren't gonna
turn out to be anything. And bo Nix is overrated
and was a one year wonder that didn't really do
as much as we think, and they still don't have
enough weapons. Like it's easy to do all of that.
It's easy, but it's not accurate. I'll just remind everybody
that the reason you're going to be miserable in October
(33:27):
and November isn't just because your favorite team stinks. The
reason you're gonna be miserable in October and November is
because you put unrealistic expectations around what your team looked
like and everybody else in the division. You got back
with the crazy girl, and now your friends are gonna
laugh at you for getting back with the crazy girl
when you're heartbroken.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yet again.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
That being said, it's what we do. It's what we
do every single time. We're gonna try and get Buck
Rising in. It's Bucking Fits Takeover on Fox Sports Radio.
I'm Jason Fitz hanging out with you. Coming up huge,
huge news in the WNBA that actually impacts this weekend
more than you would ever think. I'll tell you about
it next again, Bucking Fits taking over Two Pros and
(34:06):
a Cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
WNBA fans are broken hearted. Look at that playing into
my bon Jovi. It's a Buck and Fits takeover of
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Bon Jovi was
my first concert. I'm just gonna let this go. God,
I'm telling you sing it. This was the Heyday two.
Because let's be honest, John's not as good without Richie,
(34:42):
Uh Richie Sambora Like I'm the Richie Samboro of this tandem.
Buck Rising is definitely the lead singer, but technical difficulties
still have me able to FaceTime. But like, I can
see Buck rising, So just so in case anybody thinks
that Buck is asleep, which you know, frankly would have
been my assumption had I not been able to FaceTime. Man,
(35:03):
I can see him. We just can't hear him yet,
so you don't get to hear his sensual vocals. But
we're working on that as we take over. Two pros and.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
A cup of shoe on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
By the way, at Home Depot, it's about time for
pros to source the whole job with one partner.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Ask about all we.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Can do for you at the pro desk the Home
Depot pro, it's about time. Big news in the W
and I was watching it when it happened. Caitlin Clark injured.
It looked like she reinjured her groin in the last
game and now is going to miss the game against
the Liberty. I will say loudly that is of no consequence.
(35:40):
You don't care about the game against the Liberty. It
was Shane Gillis. I'll give him credit last night for
a joke last night in the sb's model.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I did not watch the sb's.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
But Shane was all over the place with his monologue
last night. It was all over social media. Hysterical moment
when he pointed out a fake WNBA star he named
the fake w NBA star. The camera went to the
fake WNBA star, and then Shane called out the entire
audience for not knowing anybody in the WNBA. It was
a brilliant moment. He was absolutely spectacular from what I
(36:12):
saw on social media. But I realize that most of
you are not clamoring to watch the indie naf for
take on the New York Liberty.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I am that nerd that would watch it.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
But the bigger consequence here is that the injury now
has Caitlin doubtful. They're not sure what her status will
be for the All Star Game and All Star festivities.
That that is the catastrophic loss. Like I would argue
the Caitlin the minute she was hurt, just put her
in a glass box and shut her down and get
her ready for the All Star Game. The most important
(36:44):
thing here is the All Star Game, because that's the
opportunity to come out. Like between the three point shooting
contests and the skills competition and the fact that you know,
I know there was controversy about the voting in the
All Star I will tell everybody to research a little
bit how voting is done. But Caitlin was the team captain,
got to pick her team against an the Feesis team,
(37:05):
and so there's.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
This real opportunity.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Like I say all the time, championships and All Star
Games have a very specific purpose.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
A Super Bowl is not for the diehards. It just isn't.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
The AFC Championship in the NFC championship games might be
for diehards, but the super.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Bowls for cashubles.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
The Super Bowls for people that you know, just rarely
watch football, but they're all going to go to a
party because it's the Super Bowl. That's what championships are
meant for. The college football Championship game is the opportunity
for the whole world people that would never otherwise pay
attention to the sport. You really want to bring those
people in. All Star games used to be that there
(37:43):
used to be so much meaning to the opportunity to
see NBA All Stars take each other on. The All
Star Game was a big deal. When I was a kid.
The All Star Game was something that we all flocked
to watch. But also remember that was an era where
you didn't get to see Michael and Magic every day.
I think we forget that sometimes that again, I'll be
(38:04):
old man on the block here, Like I used to
have to sit there and wait for the ten minute
ticker to come up on NBC just to see the
Raiders score. If they weren't on TV, there was no
way for.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Me to know it.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Like there was no Internet when I was a kid.
There was no way to track these games when I
was a kid. So an All Star game was a
real opportunity to see an Olympic style team take each
other on in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
That had meaning to all of us. We all wanted
to see.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
That All Star games are for casuals and they're an
opportunity to really cement concepts and superstars. Right now, there's
plenty of conversation about the W and I think it's
pretty polarizing. I think it's pretty fair to say that
for every person right now that is enjoying the W,
(38:48):
there's five people that are loudly screaming about problems in
the WM. Frankly, I think of those five people screaming,
four out of five haven't watched a w game all year,
so they don't really know what they're screaming. That's just
modern culture and just we yell at a social media
highlight we see and we just presume that that's actually
reflective of what the games are.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
That's real.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
So to me, the WNBA All Star Game is an
opportunity to maybe show some things. Hopefully show like a
skills competition and a three point competition is a chance
to show some of these stars and maybe change some
of the narratives. It's a chance to help grow other stars.
Sophie Cunningham is a perfect example of just by being
(39:29):
Caitlin Clark adjacent, she has become a superstar, at least
on social media. Right, So this is an opportunity. How
many people are going to watch the WNBA All Star
festivities if they don't include Caitlyn Clark? They were being real,
Like the number of people that will watch it are
the same number of people that are such diehards they're
(39:50):
gonna watch it anyway. I was sitting last night in
a sushi place getting dinner. Flag football was on. I
was riveted. I was riveted by flag football.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I watched it.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I thought I should watch more flag football. Now I'm
not going to, but I thought I should watch more
flag football because it was fun in the moment.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Right. How many people just walking around.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Or just sitting in a bar this weekend see the
WNBA All Star festivities and they see Caitlin and they
watch it, and then maybe they see another player that
they like, maybe they see somebody else that they're super into.
But the WNBA All Star Game without Kaitlin is like
watching a normal golf tournament without Tiger.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Nobody does it. Now.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Golf guy can tweet me and be like, oh, if
you're not paying attention, it's not the point.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
The point is nobody's paying attention. The current group.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Of golfers do not make casual people give a damn.
Just like the current flock of WNBA players not named
Kitlin Clark. Need Caitlin at that game, at that festivities,
at that function for everybody else to care. That's the
blown opportunity. This is huge for the WNBA. It's huge
for Caitlin. Obviously she needs to get healthy. That's first
and foremost long term, but short term, this is a
(40:57):
massive blow for attention for the league. Keep spending some
attention on the w NBA, but college football playoff.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
What's it gonna look like? Will answer that next
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