August 15, 2025 • 40 mins
Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jason Fitz & Buck Reising explain the lose-lose that is Shedeur Sanders and the Browns preseason. Plus, Rashee Rice conspiracy theories and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
There are certain things I can just say. I am
one hundred percent positive of I am one hundred percent
positive that we make too much of preseason football. I'm
one hundred percent positive that we're obsessed with the sport.
And I have one hundred percent positive that no matter
what happens for the Browns this weekend, it won't stop
the Shadoor talk. Love it or hate it, it is
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here for good. It's two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
But today it's really like to Joe's in a cup
of Joe. I don't know he's buck rising on Jason Fitz.
It's a bucking fits takeover. Two Pros and a Cup
of Joe. I mean, pro is not a word that
many people use for either Buck Rising or myself in
a hundred different But don't look he's giving me this
look like saying something controversial.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
You are barely a professional, sir.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I am one hundred percent professional. I can't even say
the word professional. It's too early in the morning for me.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Just because you didn't go out last night in Atlanta
doesn't mean that you're an actual professional. I mean, it's
just just you know, I'm just saying two pros. I
think when they say pros, they mean, like, I don't know,
LaVar Arrington and Brady Quinn for very specific reason. It's
different kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Pro than Buck Rising at Jason Fitz.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Come on, well, that's fine, that's all well and good.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You can you can be a professional and whatever it
is that you decide to be a professional in. And
if I'm a professional, you know, if my profession now
is a level of responsibility that I did not have
ten years ago when you met me, as in not
going out on a road trip when I've been stuck
in this damn hotel room for I don't know ten
straight days as we cover by the way, this road
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trip stuff that NFL teams are doing, and not all
NFL teams are doing. But like I cover the Tennessee Titans.
If you're unfamiliar, Fitzi's hanging out in Connecticut. I'm normally
in Nashville, but I've been in Atlanta for six days. Rather,
they have kept the Titans on the road Fitzi for
ten consecutive days, went straight from joint preseason joint training
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camp practices with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, a preseason game
through to Atlanta. They've been here for six so we've
all been on the road together at this.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Point in time.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
These teams that do this, they better be as cohesive
a unit as any that you will find in the NFL,
because this is nonsense. I'm not entirely sure how much
is actually to be gained by things like this, but
I know it's a hell of a lot of legwork
for preseason in football.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I mean, Josh McDaniels kept the Raiders on the East
Coast at one point for a couple of weeks because
he thought it'd be good for a team camaraderie, and
if you talk to people around the team, it was
the exact opposite of that. Like this is the concept
we all like, it's tough to.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Have Ben Roderie when you hate the coach.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Like, if you're stuck with the coach that you hate
for a couple of weeks on the road, that is
probably not going to be good for morale.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
But do we not, as a general football society think
of football as whatever it was for most of us
in like Pop Warner or high school. Like you sit
there and you think, oh, man, it'd be great to
be out with the fellows for a week, and you know,
just hang out in Atlanta and what a great time.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
And the more you get to know guys in the league,
the more often you hear the same thing, like it's
a job. They do their job and they go home
to their family. In fact, one former Titan that wasn't
a Titan very long in his rookie year, I was
sitting down with them in Nashville and I asked him.
I was like, hey, how's the transition? He said, Man,
it's weird. Like in college we went everywhere together, so
you know, we went to class together, we went to
lunch together, we all hung out.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And he's like, here the minute.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Every thing's done for the day, everybody just leaves, and
so you're sitting there. You have no idea what to
do with the rest of your afternoon. Now, I think
most great players figure out a way to use that
time productively. But Buck, I think there is a little
bit of an element where we think it's like kumba
Ya summer camp, because an NFL team's gonna go hang
out in Atlanta and just absolutely destroy Magic City Wings
for a week. But the reality of it is most
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of those guys have families and other things they'd rather
be doing instead of just sitting in a hotel for
the process.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
The team bonding process.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Just feels like something that belongs in a movie more
than it actually happens in real locker rooms.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Surely I have eaten my bodyweight in strict club wings
at this point. We've have been here for so long
and they're delightful, and I've since I've tried every variety
I think that Magic City has to offer in terms
of the Wings, and I don't know what is left
for me to conquer. I mean, I suppose I could
have gone to the Coca Cola Museum at some point
in time, and the botanical gardens in Atlanta are lovely,
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But to your point, like, these these are grown men,
most of them, many of them have families. School has
just started to get back in session in many parts
of the country. They're away from home at this point
in time. And just the logistics of keeping an NFL
team on the road for ten straight days, like that's.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Not an easy thing.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
That's a small city that you've just picked up and
transported to two different cities and tried to maintain all
the level of health, wellness, recovery, conditioning, all the things
that you would have normally to make sure that you
can perform your job as at the highest possible level
has kind of been taken away from you.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
And the logic, at least here.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Fitzi has been well, this is a three and fourteen
football team, the Tennessee Titans, the worst team in football.
The number one overall draft pick cam Ward is here
because they were the worst team in football, and so
they're trying to find ways to grow leadership, to find leadership,
to find guys who will help lift the team above.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
The adversity that they're facing.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
When you know the adversity that they're facing is like
the chateau a line that they're staying in a lovely
winery down the road in Flowery Branch, Georgia. And if
that's the kind of adversity that a football team is
up against, and everybody's out there dragging it practice and
things like that, and Hammon and Hawn about oh, you
know it's some people are saying, well, it's because we've
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been on the road so long. Some people aren't using
his excuse. I don't know, man, it just seems it
seems like much ado about nothing in these kind of situations.
And it's listen for if you're if you're the coach
of a three and fourteen football team and under duress,
like Brian Callahan absolutely is, then you've got to do
whatever you can to try and figure out how to
keep your job with this number one overall pick. Because, honestly,
if fit's a fascinating conversation at some point this morning,
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would be to talk about the number of teams who
have the number one overall draft pick who have coaches
on staff when that pick is made that don't see
their second year, Because certainly, in the last couple of years,
there's been many, many NFL teams that don't seem to
know what direction they're heading in, or have made up
their half, made up their mind about the co that
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they've brought in or that they have on staff by
the time they bring these quarterbacks specifically in, and how
detrimental that often is to the quarterbacks in their development.
They undermine themselves with the level of continuity that they
don't allow for because ownership gets dissatisfied when your football
team coming off of three and fourteen season may still
be stinky even if you added a number one overall
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pick a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I mean, you mentioned that number one overall pick. It's
funny because you've already got people obsessing over the concept.
If you're a Saints fan, you're obsessing over Hey, it's okay,
we're gonna stick this year. But that's gonna be fine
because we're gonna get the first overall pick where we're
gonna get arch Manning. Even though nobody has any idea
a if arch is actually really as good as advertised.
I mean, we haven't really seen him played any football.
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And then b nobody really knows if Archie will or
arch will even come out after this year. We have
no idea, and Archie.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Seems too right, Grandpa Archie seems to say, no, that's
not how the Manning family does a baby.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, Popau is out here speaking not half everybody. But
you're you're right though, Like when you think.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
About firstspectful to Archie as popa shake, I mean, really.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
He is Pop, but he he got he's got to
be a great grandpap by now, right, Like I mean,
like I'm presuming that there's there's kids, the kids or
maybe you know, I don't know, he's at least he's
at least a papa. Papaul and me Ma are coming
coming in full effect. Southern colloquialism's out here. But think
about how often the team that picks first overall actually
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turns it around with that pick. That's the other part
of this that I've said this for years. Okay, if
you go back over the last I don't know, let's say,
for where we stand right now, over the last ten years.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
For everybody that thinks, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Kayleb Williams is going to be the savior of the Bears,
cam Ward is going to be the savior of the Titans.
That you know, arch Manning is gonna be the savior
of the Saints in a year. Look at the last
ten years. James Winston first overall pick did not save
the Buccaneers. Jared Goff was very good for the Rams.
He's not a Ram anymore, all right, so that's fine.
Miles Garrett, as good as he's been, did not turn
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around the Browns. Baker Mayfield did not turn around the
Browns and now is good somewhere else. Kyler Murray has
made the Cardinals, okay. Joe Burrow is the one just
huge exception. Trevor Lawrence. Were still not one hundred percent
sure who he is as a pro. Trevon Walker. People
forget he was the first overall pick. Carolina still stinks
with Bryce Young. We have no idea if Kayleb Williams
is going to actually be the world beater that people
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want him to be. Like, the odds that the number
one overall pick actually saves the franchise he is drafted
by are pretty minimle. If you keep going back in time,
the list goes on and on through the two thousands
of how many bad first overall picks there were, or
first overall picks that had their.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Most successful moment somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
So the entire concept that this rookie quarterback Couugh Shudur
is going to save my entire franchise, Couugh Jackson Dart
like that. It's just it rarely happens. I wanted to happen.
I think it'd be great if it did happen. Bucket's
just rare happens.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
For you to evoke Shador before you invoke any of
the other names.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
He clicks when he clicks, you know what I mean.
That's just just hey, look everybody, everybody pays attention to it.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Two pros.
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name of Shador. But this all comes back to where
we still Okay, maybe I'm trying a little.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Bit that was so disingenuous.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
How dare you look me in the eyes and say
and say that I'm not trying.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
To evoke the name Shador's handers? You know damn well
what you did?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, Look, we had yesterday on Fox Sports Radio. We
had a very I thought, real and fair and fine
conversation about Shoudur and the expectations and the fact that
maybe nothing has changed, like maybe he shouldn't be higher
on the depth chart based on a bunch of information
that had nothing to do with you do And what
do I get? Three minutes after I'm off air. Three
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minutes after I'm off air, somebody tweets Buck was real
about it, like but saying that I'm out here just
hating on Shador. I didn't even say anything mean about it.
This comes back to what we say. All you have
to do is say Shador, and if you don't say
shaudor Sanders Hall of Famer, then you're apparently a hater.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
No, apparently I'm not.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I said nothing of the sort, and I'm receiving glowing praise.
I just you know, it's it's lovely to be on
that side of things that is not normally my existence.
But but I mean, listen, this is a this is
a God help me, it's a fan problem. Think about
the kind of organizations that we're talking about here, and
specific to the list of players that you just read,
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there have been nine quarterbacks, and we can flush this
out throughout the course of the show. We got plenty
of time to stretch our legs this morning on Fox
Sports Radio. There have been nine quarterbacks, including cam Ward
in this year's draft, if you want to. If you
don't want to includ him, I understand because he hadn't
played his rookie season out yet. We're not even to
the second preseason game though, that will take place for
Ward tonight here in Atlanta. You're talking about the Cleveland Browns,
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Chicago Bears, Jacksonville Jaguars, Cincinnati Bengals. Got it right just
because they found a fire breathing dragon with the number
one overall pick and Joe Burrow. So that's enough to
at least bail them out or at least cover up
a lot of the wards that that organization has.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
And he got injured and they got the number one
pick the next year, and they happened to also get
the best wide receiver in the game.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Good, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
No, I'm just saying, like, if you expect these largely
dysfunctional franchise and I tossed Tennessee and here of late.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
They used to look like they knew what they were doing.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
And it's been quite some time, though, We'll see if
they can't figure it out this time around.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
You are talking about organizations that are.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Famously bad at this, like famously bad at the at
the concept of running a professional football team successfully and
smoothly and with you know, staying on message, on plan,
with a focus to try and improve those things year
over year, rather than just in the same way that
a lot of fans react. And I don't mean to
you know, fans playing certainly not as a like that's
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that's the I'm the last person equipped to do that.
I'm not going to tell you how to fan, but
I just think that the context is important here. You're
you're asking some of the worst organizations in pro football
to just suddenly figure it out because they added a
new player into the mix, rather than looking at that
new player and be like, oh man, you're up against it.
You've been hold onto your butt kid, like this is
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going to be this is going to be a rough
ride on the way through it. And unfortunately for those
fan bases, specifically, a lot of times those players go
out there, go out or or get let go from
their organizations. In the case of Baker Mayfield, Baker Mayfield
want a playoff game for the Cleveland Browns. Try we
treated that as almost something that was casual, something that
regularly happens for the Cleveland Browns. And now he is
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throwing for forty one touchdown passes last year with the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who are a functional organization and have
won the division.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Three straight years.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And I understand it's a stinky division, but still like
there are there are organizations that understand patients over panic.
It's a line that I keep hearing here in Tennessee,
if for no other reason than the people that are
running the football side of things have to keep saying
it out loud to make sure that the owner gets
the message. These these these players are in a hugely
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disadvantageous situation coming into the kind of rosters that they are,
and also having to deal with the fact that they
have an entire fan base's hope and dreams and all
of these different expectations stuck on their shoulders just because
they were good enough to be drafted by the worst
franchises in the sport.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I will correct myself to Jamar Chase draft of fifth
overall not first of all, I meant my misspeak, but
the injury helps that And you're right, all of this
creates a wild amount of chaos. Why it's a lose
lose situation for the Cleveland Browns. Next Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe Buck Rising Jason Fitz fillin him.
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Speaker 4 (15:33):
Preseason Football The Value Questionable. I was shocked, stunned, a
little disappointed in fact, to discover that Jason Fitz did
not watch a single snap of his beloved Las Vegas
Raiders in the preseason game. The intrigue of Ashton Genty,
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Gino Smith double middle fingers in Seattle, Pete Carroll, you know,
backing his quarterback. Not enough drama for you at this
point in time. It's two pros and a cup of Joe.
Here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Jason Fitz. I'm Buck Rising,
filling in for the squad. We're happy to have you
here this morning for the next couple of hours. And yes,
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preseason football is back in action tonight and through the weekend,
including of course the Cleveland Browns and the much discussed
Shadoor Sanders, even though Shaudor Sanders is not likely to play,
in fact, it is he is not expected to play,
dealing with an oblique injury that he sustained Wednesday morning
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in joint practices with the Philadelphia Eagles. So it will
become a Dylan Gabriel esque show, except I imagine there
are far fewer people interested nationally, certainly in the Dylan
Gabriel show than there are in just the name Shadore Sanders.
Jason Fitz believes this to be a lose lose situation
for the Browns. Come Saturday afternoon and I seed the
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floor to you, my friend, for you to explain to
America why.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Well, I mean, number one, Dylan Gabriel is just a
third round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I just want to like, if we're just talking.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
About this in generals, third round draft pick starts preseason game,
not all that interesting to me. Now you've got third
round draft picks starts preseason game to hold off fifth
round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Again, not all that interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
The problem is the name's involved to become so polarizing
that if Dylan Gabriel goes out and he stinks like
Dylan Gabriel working on a hamstring injury he's missed some
time with if he goes out and he just struggles,
if he just goes out and plays like most third
round quarterbacks will play in his first preseason action, oh
my god. The loud yelling all over the place of
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what it means for Chautuur is all anybody's gonna talk about.
And then if Dylan goes out and absolutely balls out,
then the conversation is going to be do we have
a quarterback controversy in Cleveland. I want to remind everybody
the Cleveland Browns have told us who their starting quarterback is.
In fact, I've heard shows tell you that every quarterback
for Cleveland is hurt this year. That's not true. The
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starter is Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco is perfectly healthy. And
then everybody say, well, they know what they have at
Joe Flacco, it's pointless to play him. Well, is it possible?
Just just hear me out here, Is it possible? They
have a pretty good idea of today what they have
and the rest of the quarterbacks and the coaching staffs
just look around and believe that today Joe Flacco gives
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them a better chance to win, and what they want
to try and do early in the season, I don't
know is win games. Yes, we all presume that the
Browns are gonna be bad this year. Okay, that's a
pretty fair presumption. Shouldn't they at least go out in
the field and figure that out before they just see
the entire season, Like we're talking about the Browns, like
they should look at Joe Flacco and say, well, he's
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a bum and we're gonna suck anyway. So let's play
Dylan and Chauduur. We'll play each of them half the
season and figure out what our quarterback situation looks like.
That's cute, but that's an easy way to lose the
locker room about two weeks in. You know this because
you're around teams all the time at practice.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Book.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
If somebody is clearly not ready, or if somebody is
clearly the better player and they're not getting opportunity, you
can lose a locker room that way. So now this
is where everybody says, well, should tour Clearly he played
that preseason game. Okay, okay, Joe Flacco, according to the
coaching staff, is still clearly the better option, and we
haven't seen anything that makes us know otherwise. So I
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just don't know how the Browns win in any of
this preseason. If I were the Browns at this point,
I just would rather that, you know, Snop Huntley plays
the entire game, because at least nobody's going to evoke
his name into the starting situation.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
You think the best scenario for them is to just
throw Snoop Huntley out to the preseason wolves and duck
and cover for the remainder of the preseason dialogue. That
I mean, because we still have God to help us.
We still have three more weeks before we actually get
to meaningful NFL football. Now, this will be the last
weekend without college football, so at least we'll have some
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actual games to talk about it, a know, if we're
going to get into the preseason top twenty five at
some point this morning, because that did come out earlier
this week at the start of the week as well,
and things of real and genuine consequence as opposed to
a battle between a fourth string quarterback and a third
string quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, but you you know, damn well, two point two
million people watch Shador Sanders on the NFL network, like
not on like on the NFL network. Two point two
million people went to watch the Door. You're right, there
is no consequence. And I don't like preseason at all,
but my god, there are certainly MAX games.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That would kill to have two point two million people
watch them.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, and I you know, and it's no like I
feel no ill will or no overwhelmingly positive sentiment towards
the Shadoor Sanders experience other than like you said yesterday
when we were filling in for Gottlieb, I want him
to succeed. I want all of them to succeed. As
long as you're not a terrible human being and do
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exist in the world of professional football, you don't have
to be a good person to be a good football player,
as long as you're not rotten like I want you
to do well and as you mentioned, make as much
money as humanly possible and succeeded at as high of
a level as humanly possible here. But I'm so confused
by the fascination around this player, who, in the words
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of whether it be Brian Dayball evoking it or cam
Ore talking about the Titans offense here in the last
couple of months, just seems to be a bit mid
of a prospect, and people aren't willing to just take
a middle ground position on him.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
It has to veer to extremes.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
It's almost like political discourse where it starts a fight
no matter what you say about him.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
It's Tibo all over again.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Like the number of people when Tebo started to play
in the NFL. The number of people if you were
a college football fan and Tebo wasn't getting the appropriate
shot in your mind to go out and be a starter.
Immediately it became well, people just don't like him, and
then it was well, people aren't going to let him
play because they don't.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Like his Christian values.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Like everybody made up some dumb ass story about why
tim people like you talk to coaches all the time.
I'm lucky enough in my life that there's a couple
of NFL coaches that I call a friend. I don't
know a single coach that's ever turned around and looked
at their family at dinner time and thought, you know what,
really need to be able to feed the family. This
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is what I love to do. This is how I
do it. I'm not gonna play Tebow. He's a Christian, Like,
that's just the stupidest you know what. Look, look, Timmy,
I know you want to go to private school. But
here's the thing. I don't really like Shadoor's attitude, so
I'm not gonna play him like I just this stuff
is so stupid, Like.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Got too many speeding tickets, We can't put them out
there boys.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
In fact, I think that if you put truth serum
in most coaches vans, you'd get the opposite answer. I
don't give a damn what you do when you're not
on the field. If you can help me win football games,
which is gonna help me get more powerful and more
rich and increase my ego, then I'm gonna play you.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yes, there are.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Owners out there that step in the way and get stupid.
And yes, they're a franchise that en franchises that make
bad decisions, but it doesn't have to turn around and
suddenly be this grand conspiracy. They don't like his attitude,
they're not gonna play. There's no collusion against Shadour Sanders.
This stuff is just it's just maddening to me. He'll
get the opportunity to play, and he'll go out and
have his shot. I do not believe Kevin Stefanski is
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sitting there saying let's adjust the depth chart of the
Cleveland Browns because I don't like whatever people want to
manufacture about Shadoor Sanders. I just don't think that world
is real.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
No, I believe that to be a disingenuous argument. And
I've been surprised by how many rational and reasonable people
fits in that, not just like dumb Twitter dialogue and
stuff like that, but how many like smart football people
have been willing to attach themselves to that kind of
a discussion, and there's there's interest in it. So I
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suppose if you're if you're in sports media and you're
having some level of national dialogue around football right now,
you are tasked with having a Shador Sanders' opinion, and
if you don't have an opinion, a strong opinion on
Shador Standers other than are other than? Okay, I watched
I watched three quarters of Shador Sanders, and you know,
we've been doing it on the local show in Nashville
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where I'm based, and under normal circumstances, we've been talking
about a lot of the rookie quarterbacks that have been
playing and what we can actually take away from Tyler
Shuck and Shador Sanders, Jackson Darton cam Ward in their
NFL preseason debuts when in reality, like Ward's out there
for fourteen snaps, what am I going to learn about?
I mean, there are things to take away from those
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fourteen snaps, but that's not a legitimate sample size to
be able to evaluate what he might be as a
number one overall pick. Even the three quarters that Shadoor
played in I don't think are sufficient for you to
be able to determine whether this player is going to
have the requisite skills and processing ability and all the
different things required to play professional quarterback. I don't think
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you're getting that out of the preseason game. Other than
it's you know, it's good for him who's been in
the middle of this, this awful, awful dialogue. I genuinely,
I don't know how many people should, like should feel
bad for Shador Sanders. I feel bad for him though,
because I think he's handled all of this so so well.
FITZI the idea that he's not letting Dion come to
Brown's training camp practice because he doesn't want the thing
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that that entire for lack of a better term, circus,
you know, to you reference t bou Mania, the similarities there,
that he doesn't want that to come in and overshadow
his teammates who are just trying to go out there
and do their jobs.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
That is, that is a very mature.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Position from Shador, who's been who's had a lot of
personality traits placed on him or projected on him, just
because people are very familiar with his father and you know,
have seen, I mean in some form of fashion scene
Shador grow up in a reality television setting and assuming
a bunch of things about a kid that we're really
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just getting to know. In the football world, obviously, people
are familiar with the Sanders family and familiar with Shador
and coaches will know this because they've done the scouting,
and they've done the research, and they've done the background work,
and all of that was good enough to make him
a fifth round draft pick, beyond some of.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
The stuff that.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Saw him fall in the draft process that was brought
up about his potentially lacks approach to some of the
interviews in places that he wasn't that he wasn't going
to be drafted. But I know, on the whole, I
think he's managed the situation pretty well for somebody who
just arrived at this stage of the game. And you know,
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I think the thing that frustrates me the most about
this is the organization that he plays with or plays
for is not one to be trusted because even though
I know Kevin Stefanski to be a good coach, and
Andrew Barry doesn't seem to have a problem acquiring talent
as a general manager, even though it hasn't translated to
playoff success in that way. At some point, the the
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roster reaper will come for the executives and the Browns
organization like they're just a bad they're just a bad
football program at the top, Like if he was going
to have a chance to succeed. I wish you would
have gone somewhere that was more stable, more functional, more proven,
to not be a clown show at each and every turn.
All they're all they all the Cleveland Browns do as
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a franchise is add fuel onto this ridiculous fire that's
already surrounding their fifth round quarterback. The fact that that
is a discussion point at all. And I know that
you know to to Stefancy's credit, he's had to manage
situations like this before. But even even even though I
know him to be good and good at what, he
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doesn't like you mentioned yesterday to a two time Coach
of the Year and things like that, like even he
is beholden to that clown show of an organization because
they're the one forcing his hand on the Deshaun Watson
thing the last couple of years. I don't know how
much of that I can trust around him because he's
got a knife in his back making him repeat the
line over and over again. Deshaun Watson is our starting quarterback.
I swear to God, guys, he is.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
The only real answer on shadur Is. Mike could like
to use the Southern cooqulism three quarters of football really
good and that might turn out to mean something and
it might not.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
That's just not a sexy take that there is.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
You said something though that has me thinking about why
we take sides on this. I want to get to that,
but we do have to get to the Tyraq play
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a little baseball action here, so this obviously weird turn here.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
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Speaker 2 (28:43):
Way tire buying should be. Let's get the Tyrack play
of the day.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Hit high left center field at the fence.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Turns, Hey, big five Vladimir Carrero Junior.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
What stunner step around second as he's slams the Blue
Jayson front two to one in the bottom of the seventh.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
In a congrats to Lagarrero on their big win for them,
great great moment, two pros and a cup of Joe.
He's buck rising. I'm Jason fitz Here's what I don't understand.
Genuinely about the way we cover sports in general. Why
do we always have to take a side on every person,
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every player that's a superstar or that plays at a
prominent position because we do something you mentioned earlier, like
you know, everybody has this big opinion now on Shudore.
Even smart people have big opinions on Shudre. What I
don't understand is why is it necessary to constantly have
a side so early? And we did this, Like I
mentioned Tibo Josh Allen. I was out ESPN at the
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time when Josh Allen was drafted and people were doing
rips on what was wrong with Josh Allen all the time,
And then it felt like people were slow to react
to the changes in Josh Allen's games because they'd already
put their takes out on Josh Allen. And we've seen
the same with Lamar for every person that in the
beginning it was like, well Lamar can't throw, he's not
a good quarterback, and now they refuse to admit it.
It feels like people refuse to admit that maybe Trevor
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Lawrence isn't quite the prospect that people thought he was
going to be. People don't want to change their opinion
on Justin Herbert at times like it feels like whatever
opinion you have of somebody, you just get more and
more dug in, particularly at the quarterback position, and Buck,
we don't do that. Like you know, I use Max
a lot, but as an example, but Max Crosby was
not a high draft pick, and nobody sat there at
the time and said, oh, Max sucks. Max sucks, And
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nobody sat there, sits there now and defines him by
the fact that he was drafted outside of the first round,
right Like, this is the thing we do with quarterbacks,
particularly that I just think is asinine. Like, Okay, I today,
right now, I no longer care where Shad or Sanders
was drafted. That doesn't mean anything. All I care about
is is should we're going to have the opportunity to
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come out and prove that he can play? And are
they going to develop him over time? And I think
those are all questions that we literally cannot have the
answer today.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
One of the dumbest things that we do as a
sports society is the amount of overwhelming value we place,
or the amount of overwhelming value we assume that a
first round draft pick has versus the rest of the
draft process. There are so many more important things to
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hitting on your Day two and Day three picks to
build out the bulk of your roster that will lead
to long term team success as opposed to the high
risk and a lot of times high reward that comes
with the first round draft pick just because you think
that the first round draft pick, or because we assign
we spend so much time talking about the names in
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the first round over and over and over and over again.
And that's a lot of the most important positions, right
it's pass rusher, it's quarterback, it's wide receiver, and those
guys usually play for the biggest programs that we're most
familiar with. Those dudes are relying upon so many other
players on those roster that rosters that don't come in
with that level of pedigree, don't come in with that
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level of hype to make sure that they succeed. It's
about the fundamental construction of the roster beyond just what
difference can one player make in this sport where it
is almost impossible for one player to make that big
of a difference. We have talked about this many many times.
Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback in the sport, and
he got walloped in the Super Bowl because he plays
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for a lesser team. There is no there is no
situation in professional football where one player is going to
be able to outright will you to a win in
a regular season game, in a playoff game in the
Super Bowl that way, That's not how this sport is built.
And yet we try and assign that kind of value
to these players who, in a lot of situations, are
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just trying to find where they fit in the structure
of the organization, and try and assuming that that organization
has an actual plan to make sure that they succeed
at the highest level.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
It drives me crazy.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
It's one of my least favorite parts about the draft
that there is so much time, so much oxygen spent
on the first round, specifically when the rest of the
draft matters infinitely more.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I will add one thing to all of that. That's
brilliantly said by you. We have throw brilliantly.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Is it possible for me to sound brilliant before seven am?
Because I feel like I'm slurring my words, Scott, I
swear to god, I didn't go out last night.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
No, well, I mean I did read that. I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I will say that three quality quarters is something I'm
sitting here as part of my job. One thing I
scream all the time is I love proof of concept.
I'm sitting here nervous about the Atlanta Falcons this year
because as much as everybody wants to absolutely anoint Michael
Pennix Junior as the second coming for that franchise, and
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I hope that happens, he's had about seven hundred and
fifty yards passing. To me, we haven't seen enough in
the limited time of Michael Pennick Junior to make any
sweeping statements, which is, by the way, the same thing
I said about the first year. Jordan loves starting, like, hey,
I got to see it for more than a year.
Like I think, what's wild to me is once you're starting,
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we look at this and say, no, no, no, no,
it was only only a few good games, only a
few weeks, only a few months. Let's see it for
another year. You got to get three years in and
then all of a sudden, it's well, this guy, you know,
he's got to really elevate to the next level. All
of these things. We've seen three quarters of Chadur and
we're trying to fit him for a gold jacket.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I just I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
It's two pros where not Twitter is.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
No that's fair, that's maybe.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
That's maybe the real reality here is that social media
is not real's that's the real takeaway from this entire
conversation our conspiracies. Real in sports is the NFL trying
to make sure the Kansas City Chiefs get back to
the Super Bowl. We'll tell you about the next Two
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Speaker 3 (35:28):
At the Home Depot. If you're a pro, you know
sponsored by the Home Depot. Conspiracy theories in sports. I'm
the worst. God, I just I'll say that loud and proud.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I am the worst.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
I am. I don't know what we're talking about, but
I agree.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I so much here as you well know. And I
say all the time loudly and proudly. I don't really
care if we never walked on the moon, Like, it's
not gonna change my friday.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I don't care if.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
The government really did the you know, all that, Like
if the wool is being pulled over our eyes, I.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Don't, I don't. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
It's not gonna change my friday.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
The world just happening around you.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Look, I just I just don't. I'm almost people like
if you're if you come to me, And I've had
some glorious debates at bars like that because I don't care.
What I love is when people are really politically charged,
and I'm just like, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I don't buy any of that, Like it's not that.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Look, it could be could these all things, all these
conspiracy theorists. I was on the tour buses with a
couple of conspiracy theorists, theorists that used to just sit
there all day and just obsess over these random conspiracy
theories about everything from again Walking on the Moon to
nine to eleven and like all of it, documentaries, everything,
and the whole time I'm like, yeah, I just don't
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how does any of this impact my weekend to the
answer is that doesn't, So I don't really care about
conspiracy theories. I also don't think society as a whole
is capable of keeping secrets. So like most of the time,
if I you know, if I get an argument in
my backyard, I know my neighbor, he's gonna tell one
of the neighbors across the street, and that neighbor's gonna
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tell a neighbor across the street. Before you know it
is the telephone game. My god, we you and I
have spent a lot of time in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I don't know that I've ever lived in a city
that was more of.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
A small town than Nashville. Everybody sort of knows everybody.
Your business gets on the street really quickly, and by
the time he gets back to you, it's ten times
what it was. Even if you go to your most
trusted friend and say, hey man, this is between you
and me, three days later, it's on whatever awful announcing
because somebody told somebody right like, there is no the
ability for most people to keep a secret is absolutely
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not there. I think you have to stress that because
there are so many people that believe that sports leagues
are absolutely gearing towards certain franchises to win more. And
this comes up because Rashi Rice is going to have
his hearing for his suspension after his case on the thirtieth,
which means, because of the timing of that, going to
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be able to play in at least the first four
games for the Kansas City Chiefs, four important games for
the Chiefs on the schedule. It should be noted that
the same day that he pled out on his case
was the same day that Jordan Addison pled out on
his duy case, and Jordan Addison is serving a three
game suspension to start the season. So plenty of people
yesterday on Twitter acts decided that this is because the
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league has a bias towards the Kansas City Chiefs and
they want to make sure that the Chiefs are as
good as they can be for their big moments. Are
you buying conspiracy theories towards the Kansas City Chiefs by
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
No, of course, not what I'm most learning from the
more time that you and I spend together doing these
shows is that, my brother in Christ, you spend entirely
too much time paying attention to what people say on Twitter.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
I couldn't doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I could not just twitter on social media generally for what.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I mean, there is no level of rational, reasonable discourse
that is being had on social media around any of
this stuff. Now, can you find the most polarizing elements
of it? Can you find the most fringe lunatics if
you are really seeking out those positions on social media?
Of course you can't, but for somebody who has mastered
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the art of not caring in the middle of sports
or other kinds of arguments, Because there is nothing more
infuriating if you are trying to have a reasonable and
logical argument and you believe that you have fact based
information to try and you know, potentially expand somebody's worldview
on how.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
They might want to think of things.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
To just be greeted by somebody like Jason Fitz who
will just say to you, well, if you say so, there's.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Nothing more infuriating than that, Well.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
If you say so, it's dismissive. It's annoying all of it.
So no, don't. I don't believe conspiracy theories in favor
or that leagues favor teams specifically and their competitive advantages.
I don't believe that refskew things in favor of the
Kansas City Chiefs. I believe that people make mistakes, and
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I believe that those errors are hyper.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Scrutinized on social media.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
And I believe that you can spin out on whatever
you want to spin out on if you've got enough
time on your hands to do exactly that. So in
this situation, does it optically look like the league is
favoring the Kansas City Chiefs in how this suspension is
going to be handed down? Because they do have critical games.
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It's the Chargers in South Paolo. They've got the Eagles,
they've got The Giants are a less impactful game there.
One should imagine that they would be able to handle business.
But you know, I mean, Chiefs play a lot of
one score games. If the Giants
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
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Speaker 3 (00:41):
There are certain things I can just say. I am
one hundred percent positive of I am one hundred percent
positive that we make too much of preseason football. I'm
one hundred percent positive that we're obsessed with the sport.
And I have one hundred percent positive that no matter
what happens for the Browns this weekend, it won't stop
the Shadoor talk. Love it or hate it, it is
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here for good. It's two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
But today it's really like to Joe's in a cup
of Joe. I don't know he's buck rising on Jason Fitz.
It's a bucking fits takeover. Two Pros and a Cup
of Joe. I mean, pro is not a word that
many people use for either Buck Rising or myself in
a hundred different But don't look he's giving me this
look like saying something controversial.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
You are barely a professional, sir.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I am one hundred percent professional. I can't even say
the word professional. It's too early in the morning for me.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Just because you didn't go out last night in Atlanta
doesn't mean that you're an actual professional. I mean, it's
just just you know, I'm just saying two pros. I
think when they say pros, they mean, like, I don't know,
LaVar Arrington and Brady Quinn for very specific reason. It's
different kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Pro than Buck Rising at Jason Fitz.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Come on, well, that's fine, that's all well and good.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You can you can be a professional and whatever it
is that you decide to be a professional in. And
if I'm a professional, you know, if my profession now
is a level of responsibility that I did not have
ten years ago when you met me, as in not
going out on a road trip when I've been stuck
in this damn hotel room for I don't know ten
straight days as we cover by the way, this road
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trip stuff that NFL teams are doing, and not all
NFL teams are doing. But like I cover the Tennessee Titans.
If you're unfamiliar, Fitzi's hanging out in Connecticut. I'm normally
in Nashville, but I've been in Atlanta for six days. Rather,
they have kept the Titans on the road Fitzi for
ten consecutive days, went straight from joint preseason joint training
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camp practices with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, a preseason game
through to Atlanta. They've been here for six so we've
all been on the road together at this.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Point in time.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
These teams that do this, they better be as cohesive
a unit as any that you will find in the NFL,
because this is nonsense. I'm not entirely sure how much
is actually to be gained by things like this, but
I know it's a hell of a lot of legwork
for preseason in football.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I mean, Josh McDaniels kept the Raiders on the East
Coast at one point for a couple of weeks because
he thought it'd be good for a team camaraderie, and
if you talk to people around the team, it was
the exact opposite of that. Like this is the concept
we all like, it's tough to.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Have Ben Roderie when you hate the coach.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Like, if you're stuck with the coach that you hate
for a couple of weeks on the road, that is
probably not going to be good for morale.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
But do we not, as a general football society think
of football as whatever it was for most of us
in like Pop Warner or high school. Like you sit
there and you think, oh, man, it'd be great to
be out with the fellows for a week, and you know,
just hang out in Atlanta and what a great time.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
And the more you get to know guys in the league,
the more often you hear the same thing, like it's
a job. They do their job and they go home
to their family. In fact, one former Titan that wasn't
a Titan very long in his rookie year, I was
sitting down with them in Nashville and I asked him.
I was like, hey, how's the transition? He said, Man,
it's weird. Like in college we went everywhere together, so
you know, we went to class together, we went to
lunch together, we all hung out.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And he's like, here the minute.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Every thing's done for the day, everybody just leaves, and
so you're sitting there. You have no idea what to
do with the rest of your afternoon. Now, I think
most great players figure out a way to use that
time productively. But Buck, I think there is a little
bit of an element where we think it's like kumba
Ya summer camp, because an NFL team's gonna go hang
out in Atlanta and just absolutely destroy Magic City Wings
for a week. But the reality of it is most
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of those guys have families and other things they'd rather
be doing instead of just sitting in a hotel for
the process.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
The team bonding process.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Just feels like something that belongs in a movie more
than it actually happens in real locker rooms.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Surely I have eaten my bodyweight in strict club wings
at this point. We've have been here for so long
and they're delightful, and I've since I've tried every variety
I think that Magic City has to offer in terms
of the Wings, and I don't know what is left
for me to conquer. I mean, I suppose I could
have gone to the Coca Cola Museum at some point
in time, and the botanical gardens in Atlanta are lovely,
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But to your point, like, these these are grown men,
most of them, many of them have families. School has
just started to get back in session in many parts
of the country. They're away from home at this point
in time. And just the logistics of keeping an NFL
team on the road for ten straight days, like that's.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Not an easy thing.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
That's a small city that you've just picked up and
transported to two different cities and tried to maintain all
the level of health, wellness, recovery, conditioning, all the things
that you would have normally to make sure that you
can perform your job as at the highest possible level
has kind of been taken away from you.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
And the logic, at least here.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Fitzi has been well, this is a three and fourteen
football team, the Tennessee Titans, the worst team in football.
The number one overall draft pick cam Ward is here
because they were the worst team in football, and so
they're trying to find ways to grow leadership, to find leadership,
to find guys who will help lift the team above.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
The adversity that they're facing.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
When you know the adversity that they're facing is like
the chateau a line that they're staying in a lovely
winery down the road in Flowery Branch, Georgia. And if
that's the kind of adversity that a football team is
up against, and everybody's out there dragging it practice and
things like that, and Hammon and Hawn about oh, you
know it's some people are saying, well, it's because we've
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been on the road so long. Some people aren't using
his excuse. I don't know, man, it just seems it
seems like much ado about nothing in these kind of situations.
And it's listen for if you're if you're the coach
of a three and fourteen football team and under duress,
like Brian Callahan absolutely is, then you've got to do
whatever you can to try and figure out how to
keep your job with this number one overall pick. Because, honestly,
if fit's a fascinating conversation at some point this morning,
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would be to talk about the number of teams who
have the number one overall draft pick who have coaches
on staff when that pick is made that don't see
their second year, Because certainly, in the last couple of years,
there's been many, many NFL teams that don't seem to
know what direction they're heading in, or have made up
their half, made up their mind about the co that
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they've brought in or that they have on staff by
the time they bring these quarterbacks specifically in, and how
detrimental that often is to the quarterbacks in their development.
They undermine themselves with the level of continuity that they
don't allow for because ownership gets dissatisfied when your football
team coming off of three and fourteen season may still
be stinky even if you added a number one overall
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pick a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I mean, you mentioned that number one overall pick. It's
funny because you've already got people obsessing over the concept.
If you're a Saints fan, you're obsessing over Hey, it's okay,
we're gonna stick this year. But that's gonna be fine
because we're gonna get the first overall pick where we're
gonna get arch Manning. Even though nobody has any idea
a if arch is actually really as good as advertised.
I mean, we haven't really seen him played any football.
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And then b nobody really knows if Archie will or
arch will even come out after this year. We have
no idea, and Archie.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Seems too right, Grandpa Archie seems to say, no, that's
not how the Manning family does a baby.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, Popau is out here speaking not half everybody. But
you're you're right though, Like when you think.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
About firstspectful to Archie as popa shake, I mean, really.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
He is Pop, but he he got he's got to
be a great grandpap by now, right, Like I mean,
like I'm presuming that there's there's kids, the kids or
maybe you know, I don't know, he's at least he's
at least a papa. Papaul and me Ma are coming
coming in full effect. Southern colloquialism's out here. But think
about how often the team that picks first overall actually
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turns it around with that pick. That's the other part
of this that I've said this for years. Okay, if
you go back over the last I don't know, let's say,
for where we stand right now, over the last ten years.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
For everybody that thinks, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Kayleb Williams is going to be the savior of the Bears,
cam Ward is going to be the savior of the Titans.
That you know, arch Manning is gonna be the savior
of the Saints in a year. Look at the last
ten years. James Winston first overall pick did not save
the Buccaneers. Jared Goff was very good for the Rams.
He's not a Ram anymore, all right, so that's fine.
Miles Garrett, as good as he's been, did not turn
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around the Browns. Baker Mayfield did not turn around the
Browns and now is good somewhere else. Kyler Murray has
made the Cardinals, okay. Joe Burrow is the one just
huge exception. Trevor Lawrence. Were still not one hundred percent
sure who he is as a pro. Trevon Walker. People
forget he was the first overall pick. Carolina still stinks
with Bryce Young. We have no idea if Kayleb Williams
is going to actually be the world beater that people
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want him to be. Like, the odds that the number
one overall pick actually saves the franchise he is drafted
by are pretty minimle. If you keep going back in time,
the list goes on and on through the two thousands
of how many bad first overall picks there were, or
first overall picks that had their.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Most successful moment somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
So the entire concept that this rookie quarterback Couugh Shudur
is going to save my entire franchise, Couugh Jackson Dart
like that. It's just it rarely happens. I wanted to happen.
I think it'd be great if it did happen. Bucket's
just rare happens.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
For you to evoke Shador before you invoke any of
the other names.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
He clicks when he clicks, you know what I mean.
That's just just hey, look everybody, everybody pays attention to it.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Two pros.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
By the way, and in the morning Central time, you
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about jeans right off?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
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and subscribe. Look, look, I'm not trying to evoke the
name of Shador. But this all comes back to where
we still Okay, maybe I'm trying a little.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Bit that was so disingenuous.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
How dare you look me in the eyes and say
and say that I'm not trying.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
To evoke the name Shador's handers? You know damn well
what you did?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, Look, we had yesterday on Fox Sports Radio. We
had a very I thought, real and fair and fine
conversation about Shoudur and the expectations and the fact that
maybe nothing has changed, like maybe he shouldn't be higher
on the depth chart based on a bunch of information
that had nothing to do with you do And what
do I get? Three minutes after I'm off air. Three
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minutes after I'm off air, somebody tweets Buck was real
about it, like but saying that I'm out here just
hating on Shador. I didn't even say anything mean about it.
This comes back to what we say. All you have
to do is say Shador, and if you don't say
shaudor Sanders Hall of Famer, then you're apparently a hater.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
No, apparently I'm not.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I said nothing of the sort, and I'm receiving glowing praise.
I just you know, it's it's lovely to be on
that side of things that is not normally my existence.
But but I mean, listen, this is a this is
a God help me, it's a fan problem. Think about
the kind of organizations that we're talking about here, and
specific to the list of players that you just read,
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there have been nine quarterbacks, and we can flush this
out throughout the course of the show. We got plenty
of time to stretch our legs this morning on Fox
Sports Radio. There have been nine quarterbacks, including cam Ward
in this year's draft, if you want to. If you
don't want to includ him, I understand because he hadn't
played his rookie season out yet. We're not even to
the second preseason game though, that will take place for
Ward tonight here in Atlanta. You're talking about the Cleveland Browns,
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Chicago Bears, Jacksonville Jaguars, Cincinnati Bengals. Got it right just
because they found a fire breathing dragon with the number
one overall pick and Joe Burrow. So that's enough to
at least bail them out or at least cover up
a lot of the wards that that organization has.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
And he got injured and they got the number one
pick the next year, and they happened to also get
the best wide receiver in the game.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Good, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
No, I'm just saying, like, if you expect these largely
dysfunctional franchise and I tossed Tennessee and here of late.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
They used to look like they knew what they were doing.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
And it's been quite some time, though, We'll see if
they can't figure it out this time around.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
You are talking about organizations that are.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Famously bad at this, like famously bad at the at
the concept of running a professional football team successfully and
smoothly and with you know, staying on message, on plan,
with a focus to try and improve those things year
over year, rather than just in the same way that
a lot of fans react. And I don't mean to
you know, fans playing certainly not as a like that's
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that's the I'm the last person equipped to do that.
I'm not going to tell you how to fan, but
I just think that the context is important here. You're
you're asking some of the worst organizations in pro football
to just suddenly figure it out because they added a
new player into the mix, rather than looking at that
new player and be like, oh man, you're up against it.
You've been hold onto your butt kid, like this is
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going to be this is going to be a rough
ride on the way through it. And unfortunately for those
fan bases, specifically, a lot of times those players go
out there, go out or or get let go from
their organizations. In the case of Baker Mayfield, Baker Mayfield
want a playoff game for the Cleveland Browns. Try we
treated that as almost something that was casual, something that
regularly happens for the Cleveland Browns. And now he is
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throwing for forty one touchdown passes last year with the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who are a functional organization and have
won the division.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Three straight years.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And I understand it's a stinky division, but still like
there are there are organizations that understand patients over panic.
It's a line that I keep hearing here in Tennessee,
if for no other reason than the people that are
running the football side of things have to keep saying
it out loud to make sure that the owner gets
the message. These these these players are in a hugely
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disadvantageous situation coming into the kind of rosters that they are,
and also having to deal with the fact that they
have an entire fan base's hope and dreams and all
of these different expectations stuck on their shoulders just because
they were good enough to be drafted by the worst
franchises in the sport.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I will correct myself to Jamar Chase draft of fifth
overall not first of all, I meant my misspeak, but
the injury helps that And you're right, all of this
creates a wild amount of chaos. Why it's a lose
lose situation for the Cleveland Browns. Next Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe Buck Rising Jason Fitz fillin him.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 4 (15:33):
Preseason Football The Value Questionable. I was shocked, stunned, a
little disappointed in fact, to discover that Jason Fitz did
not watch a single snap of his beloved Las Vegas
Raiders in the preseason game. The intrigue of Ashton Genty,
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Gino Smith double middle fingers in Seattle, Pete Carroll, you know,
backing his quarterback. Not enough drama for you at this
point in time. It's two pros and a cup of Joe.
Here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Jason Fitz. I'm Buck Rising,
filling in for the squad. We're happy to have you
here this morning for the next couple of hours. And yes,
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preseason football is back in action tonight and through the weekend,
including of course the Cleveland Browns and the much discussed
Shadoor Sanders, even though Shaudor Sanders is not likely to play,
in fact, it is he is not expected to play,
dealing with an oblique injury that he sustained Wednesday morning
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in joint practices with the Philadelphia Eagles. So it will
become a Dylan Gabriel esque show, except I imagine there
are far fewer people interested nationally, certainly in the Dylan
Gabriel show than there are in just the name Shadore Sanders.
Jason Fitz believes this to be a lose lose situation
for the Browns. Come Saturday afternoon and I seed the
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floor to you, my friend, for you to explain to
America why.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Well, I mean, number one, Dylan Gabriel is just a
third round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I just want to like, if we're just talking.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
About this in generals, third round draft pick starts preseason game,
not all that interesting to me. Now you've got third
round draft picks starts preseason game to hold off fifth
round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Again, not all that interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
The problem is the name's involved to become so polarizing
that if Dylan Gabriel goes out and he stinks like
Dylan Gabriel working on a hamstring injury he's missed some
time with if he goes out and he just struggles,
if he just goes out and plays like most third
round quarterbacks will play in his first preseason action, oh
my god. The loud yelling all over the place of
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what it means for Chautuur is all anybody's gonna talk about.
And then if Dylan goes out and absolutely balls out,
then the conversation is going to be do we have
a quarterback controversy in Cleveland. I want to remind everybody
the Cleveland Browns have told us who their starting quarterback is.
In fact, I've heard shows tell you that every quarterback
for Cleveland is hurt this year. That's not true. The
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starter is Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco is perfectly healthy. And
then everybody say, well, they know what they have at
Joe Flacco, it's pointless to play him. Well, is it possible?
Just just hear me out here, Is it possible? They
have a pretty good idea of today what they have
and the rest of the quarterbacks and the coaching staffs
just look around and believe that today Joe Flacco gives
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them a better chance to win, and what they want
to try and do early in the season, I don't
know is win games. Yes, we all presume that the
Browns are gonna be bad this year. Okay, that's a
pretty fair presumption. Shouldn't they at least go out in
the field and figure that out before they just see
the entire season, Like we're talking about the Browns, like
they should look at Joe Flacco and say, well, he's
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a bum and we're gonna suck anyway. So let's play
Dylan and Chauduur. We'll play each of them half the
season and figure out what our quarterback situation looks like.
That's cute, but that's an easy way to lose the
locker room about two weeks in. You know this because
you're around teams all the time at practice.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Book.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
If somebody is clearly not ready, or if somebody is
clearly the better player and they're not getting opportunity, you
can lose a locker room that way. So now this
is where everybody says, well, should tour Clearly he played
that preseason game. Okay, okay, Joe Flacco, according to the
coaching staff, is still clearly the better option, and we
haven't seen anything that makes us know otherwise. So I
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just don't know how the Browns win in any of
this preseason. If I were the Browns at this point,
I just would rather that, you know, Snop Huntley plays
the entire game, because at least nobody's going to evoke
his name into the starting situation.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
You think the best scenario for them is to just
throw Snoop Huntley out to the preseason wolves and duck
and cover for the remainder of the preseason dialogue. That
I mean, because we still have God to help us.
We still have three more weeks before we actually get
to meaningful NFL football. Now, this will be the last
weekend without college football, so at least we'll have some
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actual games to talk about it, a know, if we're
going to get into the preseason top twenty five at
some point this morning, because that did come out earlier
this week at the start of the week as well,
and things of real and genuine consequence as opposed to
a battle between a fourth string quarterback and a third
string quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, but you you know, damn well, two point two
million people watch Shador Sanders on the NFL network, like
not on like on the NFL network. Two point two
million people went to watch the Door. You're right, there
is no consequence. And I don't like preseason at all,
but my god, there are certainly MAX games.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That would kill to have two point two million people
watch them.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, and I you know, and it's no like I
feel no ill will or no overwhelmingly positive sentiment towards
the Shadoor Sanders experience other than like you said yesterday
when we were filling in for Gottlieb, I want him
to succeed. I want all of them to succeed. As
long as you're not a terrible human being and do
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exist in the world of professional football, you don't have
to be a good person to be a good football player,
as long as you're not rotten like I want you
to do well and as you mentioned, make as much
money as humanly possible and succeeded at as high of
a level as humanly possible here. But I'm so confused
by the fascination around this player, who, in the words
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of whether it be Brian Dayball evoking it or cam
Ore talking about the Titans offense here in the last
couple of months, just seems to be a bit mid
of a prospect, and people aren't willing to just take
a middle ground position on him.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
It has to veer to extremes.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
It's almost like political discourse where it starts a fight
no matter what you say about him.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
It's Tibo all over again.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Like the number of people when Tebo started to play
in the NFL. The number of people if you were
a college football fan and Tebo wasn't getting the appropriate
shot in your mind to go out and be a starter.
Immediately it became well, people just don't like him, and
then it was well, people aren't going to let him
play because they don't.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Like his Christian values.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Like everybody made up some dumb ass story about why
tim people like you talk to coaches all the time.
I'm lucky enough in my life that there's a couple
of NFL coaches that I call a friend. I don't
know a single coach that's ever turned around and looked
at their family at dinner time and thought, you know what,
really need to be able to feed the family. This
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is what I love to do. This is how I
do it. I'm not gonna play Tebow. He's a Christian, Like,
that's just the stupidest you know what. Look, look, Timmy,
I know you want to go to private school. But
here's the thing. I don't really like Shadoor's attitude, so
I'm not gonna play him like I just this stuff
is so stupid, Like.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Got too many speeding tickets, We can't put them out
there boys.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
In fact, I think that if you put truth serum
in most coaches vans, you'd get the opposite answer. I
don't give a damn what you do when you're not
on the field. If you can help me win football games,
which is gonna help me get more powerful and more
rich and increase my ego, then I'm gonna play you.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yes, there are.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Owners out there that step in the way and get stupid.
And yes, they're a franchise that en franchises that make
bad decisions, but it doesn't have to turn around and
suddenly be this grand conspiracy. They don't like his attitude,
they're not gonna play. There's no collusion against Shadour Sanders.
This stuff is just it's just maddening to me. He'll
get the opportunity to play, and he'll go out and
have his shot. I do not believe Kevin Stefanski is
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sitting there saying let's adjust the depth chart of the
Cleveland Browns because I don't like whatever people want to
manufacture about Shadoor Sanders. I just don't think that world
is real.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
No, I believe that to be a disingenuous argument. And
I've been surprised by how many rational and reasonable people
fits in that, not just like dumb Twitter dialogue and
stuff like that, but how many like smart football people
have been willing to attach themselves to that kind of
a discussion, and there's there's interest in it. So I
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suppose if you're if you're in sports media and you're
having some level of national dialogue around football right now,
you are tasked with having a Shador Sanders' opinion, and
if you don't have an opinion, a strong opinion on
Shador Standers other than are other than? Okay, I watched
I watched three quarters of Shador Sanders, and you know,
we've been doing it on the local show in Nashville
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where I'm based, and under normal circumstances, we've been talking
about a lot of the rookie quarterbacks that have been
playing and what we can actually take away from Tyler
Shuck and Shador Sanders, Jackson Darton cam Ward in their
NFL preseason debuts when in reality, like Ward's out there
for fourteen snaps, what am I going to learn about?
I mean, there are things to take away from those
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fourteen snaps, but that's not a legitimate sample size to
be able to evaluate what he might be as a
number one overall pick. Even the three quarters that Shadoor
played in I don't think are sufficient for you to
be able to determine whether this player is going to
have the requisite skills and processing ability and all the
different things required to play professional quarterback. I don't think
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you're getting that out of the preseason game. Other than
it's you know, it's good for him who's been in
the middle of this, this awful, awful dialogue. I genuinely,
I don't know how many people should, like should feel
bad for Shador Sanders. I feel bad for him though,
because I think he's handled all of this so so well.
FITZI the idea that he's not letting Dion come to
Brown's training camp practice because he doesn't want the thing
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that that entire for lack of a better term, circus,
you know, to you reference t bou Mania, the similarities there,
that he doesn't want that to come in and overshadow
his teammates who are just trying to go out there
and do their jobs.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
That is, that is a very mature.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Position from Shador, who's been who's had a lot of
personality traits placed on him or projected on him, just
because people are very familiar with his father and you know,
have seen, I mean in some form of fashion scene
Shador grow up in a reality television setting and assuming
a bunch of things about a kid that we're really
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just getting to know. In the football world, obviously, people
are familiar with the Sanders family and familiar with Shador
and coaches will know this because they've done the scouting,
and they've done the research, and they've done the background work,
and all of that was good enough to make him
a fifth round draft pick, beyond some of.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
The stuff that.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Saw him fall in the draft process that was brought
up about his potentially lacks approach to some of the
interviews in places that he wasn't that he wasn't going
to be drafted. But I know, on the whole, I
think he's managed the situation pretty well for somebody who
just arrived at this stage of the game. And you know,
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I think the thing that frustrates me the most about
this is the organization that he plays with or plays
for is not one to be trusted because even though
I know Kevin Stefanski to be a good coach, and
Andrew Barry doesn't seem to have a problem acquiring talent
as a general manager, even though it hasn't translated to
playoff success in that way. At some point, the the
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roster reaper will come for the executives and the Browns
organization like they're just a bad they're just a bad
football program at the top, Like if he was going
to have a chance to succeed. I wish you would
have gone somewhere that was more stable, more functional, more proven,
to not be a clown show at each and every turn.
All they're all they all the Cleveland Browns do as
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a franchise is add fuel onto this ridiculous fire that's
already surrounding their fifth round quarterback. The fact that that
is a discussion point at all. And I know that
you know to to Stefancy's credit, he's had to manage
situations like this before. But even even even though I
know him to be good and good at what, he
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doesn't like you mentioned yesterday to a two time Coach
of the Year and things like that, like even he
is beholden to that clown show of an organization because
they're the one forcing his hand on the Deshaun Watson
thing the last couple of years. I don't know how
much of that I can trust around him because he's
got a knife in his back making him repeat the
line over and over again. Deshaun Watson is our starting quarterback.
I swear to God, guys, he is.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
The only real answer on shadur Is. Mike could like
to use the Southern cooqulism three quarters of football really
good and that might turn out to mean something and
it might not.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
That's just not a sexy take that there is.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
You said something though that has me thinking about why
we take sides on this. I want to get to that,
but we do have to get to the Tyraq play
of the day. I missed this earlier and we've got
a little baseball action here, so this obviously weird turn here.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
But for over forty years, ti Iraq.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Has been helping customers find the right tires for how,
what and why they drive shit fast and free. Backed
by road has a protection with convenient installation options like
mobile tire installation tyraq dot com the.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Way tire buying should be. Let's get the Tyrack play
of the day.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Hit high left center field at the fence.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Turns, Hey, big five Vladimir Carrero Junior.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
What stunner step around second as he's slams the Blue
Jayson front two to one in the bottom of the seventh.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
In a congrats to Lagarrero on their big win for them,
great great moment, two pros and a cup of Joe.
He's buck rising. I'm Jason fitz Here's what I don't understand.
Genuinely about the way we cover sports in general. Why
do we always have to take a side on every person,
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every player that's a superstar or that plays at a
prominent position because we do something you mentioned earlier, like
you know, everybody has this big opinion now on Shudore.
Even smart people have big opinions on Shudre. What I
don't understand is why is it necessary to constantly have
a side so early? And we did this, Like I
mentioned Tibo Josh Allen. I was out ESPN at the
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time when Josh Allen was drafted and people were doing
rips on what was wrong with Josh Allen all the time,
And then it felt like people were slow to react
to the changes in Josh Allen's games because they'd already
put their takes out on Josh Allen. And we've seen
the same with Lamar for every person that in the
beginning it was like, well Lamar can't throw, he's not
a good quarterback, and now they refuse to admit it.
It feels like people refuse to admit that maybe Trevor
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Lawrence isn't quite the prospect that people thought he was
going to be. People don't want to change their opinion
on Justin Herbert at times like it feels like whatever
opinion you have of somebody, you just get more and
more dug in, particularly at the quarterback position, and Buck,
we don't do that. Like you know, I use Max
a lot, but as an example, but Max Crosby was
not a high draft pick, and nobody sat there at
the time and said, oh, Max sucks. Max sucks, And
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nobody sat there, sits there now and defines him by
the fact that he was drafted outside of the first round,
right Like, this is the thing we do with quarterbacks,
particularly that I just think is asinine. Like, Okay, I today,
right now, I no longer care where Shad or Sanders
was drafted. That doesn't mean anything. All I care about
is is should we're going to have the opportunity to
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come out and prove that he can play? And are
they going to develop him over time? And I think
those are all questions that we literally cannot have the
answer today.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
One of the dumbest things that we do as a
sports society is the amount of overwhelming value we place,
or the amount of overwhelming value we assume that a
first round draft pick has versus the rest of the
draft process. There are so many more important things to
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hitting on your Day two and Day three picks to
build out the bulk of your roster that will lead
to long term team success as opposed to the high
risk and a lot of times high reward that comes
with the first round draft pick just because you think
that the first round draft pick, or because we assign
we spend so much time talking about the names in
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the first round over and over and over and over again.
And that's a lot of the most important positions, right
it's pass rusher, it's quarterback, it's wide receiver, and those
guys usually play for the biggest programs that we're most
familiar with. Those dudes are relying upon so many other
players on those roster that rosters that don't come in
with that level of pedigree, don't come in with that
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level of hype to make sure that they succeed. It's
about the fundamental construction of the roster beyond just what
difference can one player make in this sport where it
is almost impossible for one player to make that big
of a difference. We have talked about this many many times.
Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback in the sport, and
he got walloped in the Super Bowl because he plays
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for a lesser team. There is no there is no
situation in professional football where one player is going to
be able to outright will you to a win in
a regular season game, in a playoff game in the
Super Bowl that way, That's not how this sport is built.
And yet we try and assign that kind of value
to these players who, in a lot of situations, are
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just trying to find where they fit in the structure
of the organization, and try and assuming that that organization
has an actual plan to make sure that they succeed
at the highest level.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
It drives me crazy.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
It's one of my least favorite parts about the draft
that there is so much time, so much oxygen spent
on the first round, specifically when the rest of the
draft matters infinitely more.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I will add one thing to all of that. That's
brilliantly said by you. We have throw brilliantly.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Is it possible for me to sound brilliant before seven am?
Because I feel like I'm slurring my words, Scott, I
swear to god, I didn't go out last night.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
No, well, I mean I did read that. I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I will say that three quality quarters is something I'm
sitting here as part of my job. One thing I
scream all the time is I love proof of concept.
I'm sitting here nervous about the Atlanta Falcons this year
because as much as everybody wants to absolutely anoint Michael
Pennix Junior as the second coming for that franchise, and
(33:54):
I hope that happens, he's had about seven hundred and
fifty yards passing. To me, we haven't seen enough in
the limited time of Michael Pennick Junior to make any
sweeping statements, which is, by the way, the same thing
I said about the first year. Jordan loves starting, like, hey,
I got to see it for more than a year.
Like I think, what's wild to me is once you're starting,
(34:14):
we look at this and say, no, no, no, no,
it was only only a few good games, only a
few weeks, only a few months. Let's see it for
another year. You got to get three years in and
then all of a sudden, it's well, this guy, you know,
he's got to really elevate to the next level. All
of these things. We've seen three quarters of Chadur and
we're trying to fit him for a gold jacket.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I just I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
It's two pros where not Twitter is.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
No that's fair, that's maybe.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
That's maybe the real reality here is that social media
is not real's that's the real takeaway from this entire
conversation our conspiracies. Real in sports is the NFL trying
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At the Home Depot. If you're a pro, you know
sponsored by the Home Depot. Conspiracy theories in sports. I'm
the worst. God, I just I'll say that loud and proud.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I am the worst.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
I am. I don't know what we're talking about, but
I agree.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I so much here as you well know. And I
say all the time loudly and proudly. I don't really
care if we never walked on the moon, Like, it's
not gonna change my friday.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I don't care if.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
The government really did the you know, all that, Like
if the wool is being pulled over our eyes, I.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Don't, I don't. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
It's not gonna change my friday.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
The world just happening around you.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Look, I just I just don't. I'm almost people like
if you're if you come to me, And I've had
some glorious debates at bars like that because I don't care.
What I love is when people are really politically charged,
and I'm just like, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I don't buy any of that, Like it's not that.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Look, it could be could these all things, all these
conspiracy theorists. I was on the tour buses with a
couple of conspiracy theorists, theorists that used to just sit
there all day and just obsess over these random conspiracy
theories about everything from again Walking on the Moon to
nine to eleven and like all of it, documentaries, everything,
and the whole time I'm like, yeah, I just don't
(36:48):
how does any of this impact my weekend to the
answer is that doesn't, So I don't really care about
conspiracy theories. I also don't think society as a whole
is capable of keeping secrets. So like most of the time,
if I you know, if I get an argument in
my backyard, I know my neighbor, he's gonna tell one
of the neighbors across the street, and that neighbor's gonna
(37:09):
tell a neighbor across the street. Before you know it
is the telephone game. My god, we you and I
have spent a lot of time in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I don't know that I've ever lived in a city
that was more of.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
A small town than Nashville. Everybody sort of knows everybody.
Your business gets on the street really quickly, and by
the time he gets back to you, it's ten times
what it was. Even if you go to your most
trusted friend and say, hey man, this is between you
and me, three days later, it's on whatever awful announcing
because somebody told somebody right like, there is no the
ability for most people to keep a secret is absolutely
(37:38):
not there. I think you have to stress that because
there are so many people that believe that sports leagues
are absolutely gearing towards certain franchises to win more. And
this comes up because Rashi Rice is going to have
his hearing for his suspension after his case on the thirtieth,
which means, because of the timing of that, going to
(38:00):
be able to play in at least the first four
games for the Kansas City Chiefs, four important games for
the Chiefs on the schedule. It should be noted that
the same day that he pled out on his case
was the same day that Jordan Addison pled out on
his duy case, and Jordan Addison is serving a three
game suspension to start the season. So plenty of people
yesterday on Twitter acts decided that this is because the
(38:20):
league has a bias towards the Kansas City Chiefs and
they want to make sure that the Chiefs are as
good as they can be for their big moments. Are
you buying conspiracy theories towards the Kansas City Chiefs by
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
No, of course, not what I'm most learning from the
more time that you and I spend together doing these
shows is that, my brother in Christ, you spend entirely
too much time paying attention to what people say on Twitter.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
I couldn't doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I could not just twitter on social media generally for what.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I mean, there is no level of rational, reasonable discourse
that is being had on social media around any of
this stuff. Now, can you find the most polarizing elements
of it? Can you find the most fringe lunatics if
you are really seeking out those positions on social media?
Of course you can't, but for somebody who has mastered
(39:15):
the art of not caring in the middle of sports
or other kinds of arguments, Because there is nothing more
infuriating if you are trying to have a reasonable and
logical argument and you believe that you have fact based
information to try and you know, potentially expand somebody's worldview
on how.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
They might want to think of things.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
To just be greeted by somebody like Jason Fitz who
will just say to you, well, if you say so, there's.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Nothing more infuriating than that, Well.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
If you say so, it's dismissive. It's annoying all of it.
So no, don't. I don't believe conspiracy theories in favor
or that leagues favor teams specifically and their competitive advantages.
I don't believe that refskew things in favor of the
Kansas City Chiefs. I believe that people make mistakes, and
(40:01):
I believe that those errors are hyper.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Scrutinized on social media.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
And I believe that you can spin out on whatever
you want to spin out on if you've got enough
time on your hands to do exactly that. So in
this situation, does it optically look like the league is
favoring the Kansas City Chiefs in how this suspension is
going to be handed down? Because they do have critical games.
(40:28):
It's the Chargers in South Paolo. They've got the Eagles,
they've got The Giants are a less impactful game there.
One should imagine that they would be able to handle business.
But you know, I mean, Chiefs play a lot of
one score games. If the Giants
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