September 24, 2025 • 42 mins
Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas, LaVar and Brady open the show looking ahead to Penn State's Top 10 matchup against Oregon... Who do they have coming out on top? Then they get into the news that the Giants have officially named Jaxson Dart their starting quarterback... What have the last few years meant for Russell Wilson's legacy? Plus, Motel 6 vs. Super 8, and ICYMI!
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What's trotting with you? When's getaway Day? Tomorrow? Out of here?
Speaker 5 (02:09):
To me?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I'm out of here tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I'm Mountington tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Look out here.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
It's a big on the road. That's a big one,
you know.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I don't like to make things feel like they're too big.
I was talking to a couple of the guys. It's
kind of cool when you have a kid on the
team because when you're facetiming with him, you know, you
see all the guys. You know, it's like, hey, da,
da da, I'm talking to my days, say what's up?
Does guys sit down and we talk and stuff?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
You know?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I just always ask like is the moment too big
for you? Like how are you feeling going into the week,
Like how are you working, how's your mind? What's your preparation?
When you look at it? Do you feel overwhelmed? Do
you look at it? Do you feel confident. Do you
feel like you gotta a fix on what it is
that they're they're trying to do in the games that
they're playing in. Do you see any correlations from game
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to game, any tendencies from haydens to to alignments to
to anything. Do you got it? Do you feel good
about it? And all of them? Like I talked to
Zaine Duran, I talked to a couple of Drew Drew
jumped on, talked to a whole bunch of guys man,
and you know what, everybody looked and sounded very very calm,
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cool and confident. I think that's the the leadership quality
of it, the experience quality. They've been in big games before.
So I'm excited about this year.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
But yeah, can I you just you can't help yourself,
like you you got to it was it was low hagging.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Jonas, not low hanging f there you go load clearly too.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Come on, let's have it, Let's have let's have a
real let's have a real conversation that.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Snail trail load. But good, good, all right? No, do
you think they get it? Though?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Because I think back to.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
Like I think back to my true freshman year where
USC is coming to town all right, And I always
tell the story and Jonas knows the story about Joe
Montana where I had never met Joe before. I was
always a big fan, like my family Northern California. Yes,
I love Jerry Rice as a player, so I was
like my favorite player that I once I started playing quarterback,
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I love Joe Montana because of that connection. How awesome
they were all that stuff. So I was his son
was there. It was Nate, and I was like picking
up this little like fake toy ball and I was
getting ready to throw it, and you would have thought
he like sacked me, like took that thing right out
my hand as I brought it back to throw it,
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and he's like, no, no, no, you don't want to do
this day before a game. He's like, this isn't like
the actual ball. You'll mess up your throwing motion. And
he was dead ass serious. And I was thinking to myself, like,
this is like a toy ball. What is this going
to do to impact me on our Friday before the
game you know what tomorrow? And that's how serious he
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was taking that game that moment. Now, there was there's
a few things that play Joe Montana and like stripsacked me.
Like I was like, you know, like jonases in your
hand exactly. But my point is like I don't think
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I understood the gravity of that game because he'd been there,
he'd done that, he played, he knew that. Like you know,
you look at it as a player when you go
into and you're like, every game matters, right, the way
you look at it in retrospect is like, yeah, they
all matter, but like the big ones matter more, and
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like this one was. I mean, obviously my freshman year,
I didn't know how good USC was going to continue
to be. You know, that year they won the national championship,
they were the best team in the country. The year
prior they were there really good with Carson palrevewll the Heisman.
You know, that was the year Lighter you know, took
over and he was obviously very good. But Reggie and Linde,
like all those those great players, their defense actually was
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probably you know, one of the better parts of their team.
But like I always look at these young kids and
I'm like, I don't think they understand because on the outside,
the narrative around this game is always like, hey, James Franklin,
how he's done versus the top five teams, Like do
you look back at your time and think too like, yeah,
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like they all mattered. Like I sent you the clip
of you blocking the Fueld goal gets Pit right to
win that game. The reality was you guys were too
pit It wasn't even ranked. Yeah, So like as big
of that was as a rival for you or like
that moment because the block, it was big, But that's
not as big of a game as like your Penn
State Michigan game was because the rankings or you know
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what I'm.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Saying Rohouse that Yeah, no, I'd get it. I would
say to that comment, a lot of those guys that
came back played in that Notre Dame game last year
and felt the sting. I feel like when a team
of leaders are able to feel the sting and the
disappointment of that type of a loss, like there's not
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going to be a bigger game than the game they
lost to Notre Dame outside of if they had beaten
Notre Dame and lost to Ohio State in a national
title game. So I feel like the guys you know
that are in that locker room that have gone into
this week of preparation, I think they understand the gravity
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of not only how big the game is in terms
of rankings and ratings and all that stuff, but you
know a lot of these guys are connected to connected
to the narrative of they can't deliver in the big game.
And I wonder how much that drives them because everybody
talks about how James Franklin, James Franklin can't win the
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big game. James Franklin's record is this, Well, so are
those guys that are on that roster. That's their record
against big, big games, big teams as well. So I'm
to me, that's what I feel like is the deciding
factor when you talk about like a Sutton and like
I said, Zain Durant and you got like you know,
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Dominique de Luca and all these guys that are really
really like grown ass men, like these are adults, and
you have one more chance to rid yourself of a
narrative that has plagued and hunted our program. I mean,
I don't think there's anything bigger and motivation than to
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remove a stain that's removable. If they beat Oregon, it's
a first step. Then you're on your way to having
that opportunity to being viewed and seen in a different way.
And I'm I would be I would be at if
these guys don't have that that mindset and can actually
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execute what that that mindset of being being what they
need to be like. And I just think I won't
look any further than the fact that we have it
up front. That to me is the biggest factor. Like, sure,
you know Drew hasn't played lights out at a Heisman
Trophy level just yet, But at the same time, our
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offensive line has has shown that they're what they need
to be. Even though it hasn't been big teams or
big games, there's still certain things that you want to
see continuity wise, cohesiveness and how they do what they
need to do and dominance and and our our defensive fronts,
our offensive front have have really shown that they're in
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that direction. So I feel I feel confident about it
because our backfield is amazing them. Dudes are tremendous our
defensive backfield. I don't these these receivers at the same
time that we haven't faced anything crazy. I don't think
that Oregon's receivers, especially to young Buck, I don't think
they've they've faced as talented a group in the secondary
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as they're going to see on this Saturday. So I'm
pretty I'm pretty excited about the matchup.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
It's true. I mean, I would just say this about Aler.
The other conversation is a.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Little bit different because it it impacts obviously the conversation
about the draft. And I think I've told you like
I've sat down with Drew. I love Drew's Ohio kid.
I think he hails himself extremely well.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
He's done with Bil too, by the way.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Yeah, sure, he's got all of the tools and tangibles,
like everything you're looking for the only thing, honestly that's missing.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
And this is like not even just coming from me.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
This is like guys I talk to because I will
tell guys like, hey, have you talked to Drew Aller yet?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
And they're like, no, I've watched the tape.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Though, Like every scout guys I talked to that I
know we're gonna be in the business for quarterbacks all right.
And they'll be like, yeah, I've watched, and they're like
not really, you know, blown away by much. And I'm like,
I know, but like I'll tell you hot turn in
the corner, Like I've been as big of an advocate
for him as almost anyone because every single person I
work with, people I talk to, people in the business,
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it just hasn't it well. No, Like this year, if
you if you think about it without if you take
away the Nevada game, he's probably a sub sixty percent
passer this year. Yeah, against FIU and Villanova, like it
has been in the second year in a system where
you're really supposed to take off, it has been wildly
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disappointing so far.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
And and yeah, I think I think Penn State fans
would admit that, Like there's there's been boos at Penn
State games because they have not beat teams the way
they should have, you know, especially early in games.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Way, this is a.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Huge moment for him because he's going to be judged
largely off of these games, more so than.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
The Nevada, FIU Villanova.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
You know, he'll be judged off deal have State game,
and we judged off if they made the Big chench Championship,
the Big Ten Championship game, right, so you know, all
these things, you know matter And I always just think
like when you're a young kid, like you don't understand
the importance when you're in the moment because you're kind
of in the moment and you're just focusing on like, hey,
I just got to focus on what's the you know,
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as you were talking about like what's the key on
this on third down? Like what's their tendencies? What do
they do here? Or if you're a quarterback, like you know,
who am I picking off? I can a man a
man of the matchup? Or what do I need to
do with the protection? Or what's their blitz tendency? What's
their coverage tendency. You're you're you're notigh of the storm,
so you don't have that perspective to sit back and
like see it all. And and I just it's always
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so tough as you as you get older, because you
see it and you wish that like young people could
see it the way you do.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
And that's I don't know, that's all.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
That's always my thing is like the older I get,
the more I appreciate the opportunities that I had in
what it was. Indeed, and it's probably why like I
always like trying to give back to young people. But
like even like even my cousin now who is a
senior in high school, like they dropped the last two games.
They lost the quarterback two weeks ago. They've got a
backup now playing and they honestly they should have won
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probably both those two games. But you know this, the
senior groups like having a hard time pulling it together.
And you know, I'm not the type to like force
them to like walk over and have that like intervention
or conversation, but I so badly just want them to
reach out.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I so badly want them to just.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Be like, hey, man, we've lost the last couple of weeks,
like Andy Way, I'm watching like I'm in Utah watching
their games, you know, from Afar, their high school games,
and I'm like, god, dude, I want them to be
so bad just to reach out so I can like
talk to them, because I'm like, you got so many
games left that it's over.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
For you, Like this is it just senior your high school?
Speaker 6 (13:47):
That's it, and you will never touch a football ever again,
and even if you don't love it that much, at
some point you'll look back and be like, Damn, that
was the most fun I had ever, like thinking about
playing with my boys playing high school ball. So I
don't know, man, just it kind of hit me like
this thinking about this game your son, like the whole situation.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
The big moment for them too, like for the for
the freshmen and the babies, like you mentioned your freshman year,
it's a big moment for them to take it in
and see what the spectacle is. Like I mean, he
was there. A lot of the freshmen were early and
roly so they were there for the playoff games for
two of them, and they got an opportunity to see it.
But not the practice too. They got to practice, Yes,
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they did. Isn't that pretty cool? They got to practice.
So if they would have won, they would have got
a ring, you know for what it is that they did,
and they were they didn't even have to go through
the whole entire season. But but I just I think
with the leadership qualities that that have been discussed, understanding
that Oregon has the same questions that they have to
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answer and they got to check the boxes off getting
into this game as well. Like a lot of I
think there's a lot of pressure, if I'm being honest,
looking at this matchup pressure, I think I think there's
more pressure on Oregon to win this game.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
The last year beat Penn State last right, That's.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, wouldn't you say, and and not only did they
beat Penn State last year, they beat Ohio State last year.
They went undefeated last year, And and they are looked
at as a team that is built to win the
national championship this year. I would not I would not
say that that is a far fetched notion that Oregon
(15:30):
has more pressure on them to win this game, even
though they're not ranked as high as Penn State. Oregon. Obviously,
Penn State hasn't been looked at as favorably. They lost
the spot, right like Miami moved them a spot from
where they were ranked. I believe didn't they move them
from number two. So I think if you take the
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pressure of what Oregon has on them, they're coming into
Happy Valley. They got to play in a whiteout, which
is that might be the most difficult environment to play
in in all of college football, maybe even in sport.
They're just as bad as Kansas City or the twelfth
Man when they're at wins white out.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, if Oregon wins during the white out.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
That's a hell of a win.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
That's it's a hell of a win.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
That's what I get. A level win.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
There is there is a little bit of like and
I understand how the Penn State fans because because this
comes in like the whole noon kickoff thing, they're always.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Like, oh, it's nude, it's not the white out.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
I'm like, all right, well, like you all like struggle
to betle High to State regardless of what time it is,
Like if Oregon goes in there and beats them during
the white out, Like it's kind of like to me,
I don't care what time you play. If you're at home,
you're at home. True, Like you have home field advantage, and.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Look, you gotta travel.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Get I get the advantage to the white out of
night and the whole you know stands. I get that,
but like at some point you gotta stop making excuses
like about, oh it's not it was that newt. It
wasn't that you know at the white out wasn't a minute.
It's like, all right, this is primetime. This is your
primetime shot. All right, you're playing it's the top five team.
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It's put up a shot of time for me with this,
Like the whole narrative around everything with Penn State, James Frank,
the whole thing, it's like, you got your team back.
You guys are stacked. If there's ever a time to
do it since now. Yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Don't at me. Don't bitch about the time of the game.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
If y'all can't beat Oregon, right given three three and
a half points whatever it is now your favorite, all right.
If if you guys can't beat them at that at
the White Out, stop bitching about the time of the game.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Well, they're not going to bitch at you about the
time of the game. They're gonna bitch at James Franklin
about not being able to win. You don't have to
worry about anybody adding you, because all of them are
going to go towards James.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Frank if they were to lose this game, James Franklin
was gonna get his balls.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
In fact, I would assume that that white Out crowd
might might venture off in migrate to James Franklin's front yard.
I would assume that they will be way too occupied
and busy with other things that they're adding and complaining about.
If we were to lose this game at the White
Album just I would assume all those trailers that are
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planning on going back to where they originated from will
park on the street of where James Franklin all the shit. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know. I'm just I'm embellishing, but
I'm just saying, man, it is there is a I mean,
I'm going to talk to Frank today. I'm gonna have
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a conversation with him today. It's it's it is a
constant that that narrative is not going away. And what's
crazy is is if he wins this game, it doesn't
it doesn't take the narrative away because ultimately, in the end,
you know what, people will say, yeah, we were supposed
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to win that game. They'll say we were supposed to
win that game. On the other side of it, if
they win this game, and it's still going to come
back to can you beat Ohio State. That's ultimately that's
what it's going to come down to. So so it'll
be interesting. You can quiet it down the adding and
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you know all you know what time games are played,
all those different things, but ultimately, the ultimate prize, the
ultimate goal is to beat Ohio State. We don't have
Michigan this year, so these are perceivably the two games
that they're supposed to win to take a firm step
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in the right direction of not being in that narrative.
And even if they win against Oregon, most of our
fans will say, yeah, but that's a Pac twelve team,
that's a Pac ten team that came into the Big Ten.
That's great. They were good last year. But you're supposed
to beat them. You better beat Ohio State. That's what
it's going to immediately turn to. So it'll be in interesting. See,
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you just got to keep it in proper perspective. They
have a one and no mentality. I love their Their
motto is just it's a one and no season. But
I'm excited for the game. I really am. I mean
I had I was, I was. I was not able
to get a hotel room. Yeah, I wasn't able. I
usually I usually I usually have like there's a I
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have like a v P status at a certain particular hotel.
I won't call it out. I won't call it out.
I won't call it out. But I've given I've given
them a lot of money. I hope for the years
on stand there's not it's not like I get I
get it. It wasn't a graduate. It's not the graduate.
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But and they were like, yeah, we we're literally over sold.
I heard him. So the university always helps me out
because they always had blocks of room everywhere. This is
how big the game is. They came back and said, yeah,
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there's only one room left that we had on our
block of rooms because they were unaware, like I was late,
late to the party on telling them I kind of
need one. You want to know what yeah, right, you
want to know what the hotel was.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Don't say it's the what I hate?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Which one?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
You know what I'm talking about? Tree tops or whatever?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Oh no, not top trees. Let me tell you something.
You you would be running on your feet, no uber
necessity necessary or needed if if that was your alternative,
which I like? Motel six, the skate two numbers up,
Super eight, super alright, love the Super eight? Say that again?
(21:54):
That is quality?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Are you being serious? All right? Dump that? Do not
allow people to hear that you said? That is it?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Is it one of those super eights where you pull
into the parking lot and the cars right in front
of Lorena.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Let me tell you something, because I care about you,
I hope you dumped that.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
What you just said, super eight is two steps above
a Motel six.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
She's probably out wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I'm not Lorena. I'm just telling.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
You real quick.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
You just told anybody and everybody who's listening to our
show something about you.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Let's let's all talk about this. Okay, who has stayed
at a motel six before? Oh me?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Can I can I reframe what your question was? I'll
say this, who has used a motel six or a
motel eight? Who had used?
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Those motels?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
First, all right, I'm just saying who had. Don't say
who has slept there? Because if you said what Lorena
just said that, I don't know how. I mean, I know,
I know in my mind how to interpret Saturday nine
ninety nine for forty five minutes. I'm just saying it's
better to say who has used those rest store or
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those hotels before? Hey, could you bring extrace out of towns?
I've never done that at a motel six or a
hotel motel late we got at this stage used one
or state of one both? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Okay, I mean I was being serious, like I had
to stand one one wholes.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah. See, you're not judging Brady.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
It happens.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
You gotta know.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
We were we were on a we were on a
trip coming back from fig.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Tells me a lot about Brady no, no, it was.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
It was a whole crew party bus.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
We took a party bus from Phoenix to Columbus History.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
You did know, yes you did?
Speaker 6 (23:58):
JA started this though, I mean his philled balls sort.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Of dang, they weren't ask and I just you know, listen,
I think they shows you're a man of the people.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
You stayed a super in. Good for you, Good for you.
Oh no, I canceled it? Did you did book it?
At first? And I was like, nah, I just can't
do it.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
State of Harrisburg.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I'm standing Harrisburg. I do it. I do it, standon Harrisburg.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I'm gonna make the d Why you don't have somebody
connections of Harrisburgh take a car service.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
What's crazy is I'm from Pittsburgh, but the other burg
is my burg. Like that's that's my hood, all right,
that's my hood. Let's tell you preview Vig Harsburg.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
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I was. I was enjoying it. You feel like you
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he is dealing with, uh, the mortality of his career
right now. Geez, Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Why don't we just go there, Jonas, Why don't we
just go there?
Speaker 6 (30:00):
We wouldn't have this conversation. And I think we're here.
We got here naturally.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
If he just stopped after Seattle, He's a Hall of
Famer everything since then, you feel.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Like that disqualifies him from the I don't know that
it disqualifies him, but I think it changes the conversation
about him. Dang, Like if you look.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
At what weird thing was is when you asked if
this has happened before? Like, what do you mean in
that context?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Well, I mean where you see a guy leave an organization.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Willingly like wanted to go elsewhere, wanted to pursue something else, and.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
It run its course and then just ends up bouncing.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Around and be.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
He's on his second team now, truth, and he hasn't
played anywhere close to how he played in Green Bad Truth. Okay,
But like like if you would you had said it
was interesting, you had said, like, has this happened before?
We talked about this, and I would argue that it's
actually happened a bajillion times. I mean as far as
a guy who we looked at as a Hall of
Famer getting pushed out and if he did go somewhere else,
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like what it looked like.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
That's one.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
You know, you could throw Roberson that I didn't have
the success in San fran but those guys he was good, Yeah,
he was good. But I would say Joe Flacco, who
was a Super Bowl winner, super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
You know, he'd been in a Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
But Russell Wilson was I think thirty two.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Like, it's not like he was at the end, and
those guys I think everybody looked at and said, well,
they got a couple of years least.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Well, we also look at that a lot different too,
like we we hear that now and we look at
that the way you just said. But yeah, that actually
used to be a lot closer to the end back
then than it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
I mean, Montana left, I mean, granted, he played for a.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Long time in San Francisco, but there's other guys who
you know, the guys are first off, guys are getting
in the league earlier, not later he used to be.
Guys would stay an extra year. There are guys coming
in at twenty one years old, now twenty years old.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Montana left at thirty six.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
He was thirty six, thirty seven, But you can but
I mean, I think obviously Rogers.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Was up there in age, right, he left around what
thirty seven, thirty eight?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, Tom Brady was up there in age.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I just Russ.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Feels like the one that you looked at and go, well,
there's tread on the tires. That's why Denver gave him
the deal. They gave him.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
But that's what's screwed him. You want to know what's
screwed him. It's not that he's not playing up to standard.
It's that I believe people really got turned off by
the way he was covered and the way things were
reported on him when he went to Denver. Yeah, I
think that's.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
By the way he went to Denver at thirty four.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I think the narrative coming out of Seattle, where you
had some teammates kind of turning on him, saying that
you know, it was about the legion of Boom and
it was about Marsa Lynch, not Russell Wilson, which is okay,
we can debate that. Look at his body of work,
Russell Wilson, they called, you know, big play Russ, danger, dangerous, danger, Russ.
(33:14):
But when he went to Denver, it did not even
have to do with what he did on the field.
That started to deteriorate the way people looked at him.
It was the shiny suits going to the prom. It
was the the the office space to have your own
office in the building. It was those things that to me, what.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
About three to one crap closet to bedroom ratio at
his house.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
It was that was crap closet to bed.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I'm still ticked off about this, guys.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
It was it was the go to guys and tell
them bad for the holler run holler pass byer.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Think about the next buyer. You're gonna look at that
house be like, what the hell am I going to do?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Why do I want twelve bathrooms?
Speaker 6 (34:01):
You're sitting twenty thousand square feet with twelve bathrooms at
three bedrooms.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
You've got all these restrooms in your house.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
The house for horses, Like, who's gonna live in there?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
And you're telling them to make sure you wash your
hands and all out running pass while you're on the side.
I just think that deteriorated the mass reputation.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'm telling you there's gonna be Hall of Fame voters
that are just gonna go look up realtor dot com
and be like, yeah, we're out.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That's uh.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
If he bought that, I would Who would buy and
live in a house of that size.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
With that few bedrooms, that many bathrooms? We just can't
do it. You can't do it.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Won't do it like many super but.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Never thirty four.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
So it's not that far off from those other two
guys and I understand what you're saying, but like, if
you look at most players, they drop off after thirty.
Now granted he's he's one where it changed a lot
once he got the deadvert. We can we can go
into like I mean, just how ridiculous that first season.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Was, Like I don't know that that's all on him.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
For Nathaniel Hackett in that season, Like that was an
absolute disaster in every way, shape and form. He was
a part of it, but it was also on Nathaniel Hackett. Like,
think about how bad and ridiculous that was.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
And it started the first game was against Seattle. Remember
there was the clock management issue, and that was on
Monday night.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Did they hire a guy?
Speaker 6 (35:28):
They had to hire someone to come in and be
the clock management guy, because at no point when they
were he was hiring his staff.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
He was like, Hey, maybe I should have a guy
who helps out with this.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
It's right, great they want to talk about like there's
been I guess I would say this in the last decade,
there has been two decisions that I was like, wow,
that is if I'm ownership, I might be firing myself
from making a decision the rest of the time because
this is ridiculous that no one thought of this that,
(35:58):
and like after the fact, after having a game like that,
being like, man, maybe we need one of those guys
who stands out there and helps us with like the
clock and the decisions. And then probably Bill Belichick making
Matt Patricia an offensive coordinator. Oh yeah, along with Joe
Judges like those two, like putting those two in that position,
that whole situation, and everyone be like, yeah, this is
(36:19):
totally normal.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
I was like, Wow, they're really gonna do this.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
That is unbelievably this, I mean, think about how ridiculous
to be a LeVar. If an offensive coordinator came over,
it was like, yeah, I'm calling defense this year.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
You'd be like, what, You've never called defense in your life.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
You've never done it before, but you're just you think
you're just gonna walk in the NFL and go, yeah,
I'm gonna be a good defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Okay, pal alright.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I've had decordinators with man boobs that acted like they
were tough and called I'm calling the defenses names.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
So do you think in order to call good defense
you can't have bad movies?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
No, I feel like you can. But I mean there's
been some bad body coaches, but man, I just always
say like wow, like you sure are a tough dude
with some very very soft features.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
It is funny like between the defensive coaches and coaches,
they kind of have to be a little bit of
badasses if they don't come off that way.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
It's like, yeah, even if your body's bad, you still
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Yeah it is, well yeah.
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It's a big on the road. That's a big one,
you know.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I don't like to make things feel like they're too big.
I was talking to a couple of the guys. It's
kind of cool when you have a kid on the
team because when you're facetiming with him, you know, you
see all the guys. You know, it's like, hey, da,
da da, I'm talking to my days, say what's up?
Does guys sit down and we talk and stuff?
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You know?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I just always ask like is the moment too big
for you? Like how are you feeling going into the week,
Like how are you working, how's your mind? What's your preparation?
When you look at it? Do you feel overwhelmed? Do
you look at it? Do you feel confident. Do you
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that they're they're trying to do in the games that
they're playing in. Do you see any correlations from game
(02:56):
to game, any tendencies from haydens to to alignments to
to anything. Do you got it? Do you feel good
about it? And all of them? Like I talked to
Zaine Duran, I talked to a couple of Drew Drew
jumped on, talked to a whole bunch of guys man,
and you know what, everybody looked and sounded very very calm,
(03:17):
cool and confident. I think that's the the leadership quality
of it, the experience quality. They've been in big games before.
So I'm excited about this year.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
But yeah, can I you just you can't help yourself,
like you you got to it was it was low hagging.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Jonas, not low hanging f there you go load clearly too.
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Snail trail load. But good, good, all right? No, do
you think they get it? Though?
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Because I think back to.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
Like I think back to my true freshman year where
USC is coming to town all right, And I always
tell the story and Jonas knows the story about Joe
Montana where I had never met Joe before. I was
always a big fan, like my family Northern California. Yes,
I love Jerry Rice as a player, so I was
like my favorite player that I once I started playing quarterback,
(04:23):
I love Joe Montana because of that connection. How awesome
they were all that stuff. So I was his son
was there. It was Nate, and I was like picking
up this little like fake toy ball and I was
getting ready to throw it, and you would have thought
he like sacked me, like took that thing right out
my hand as I brought it back to throw it,
(04:43):
and he's like, no, no, no, you don't want to do
this day before a game. He's like, this isn't like
the actual ball. You'll mess up your throwing motion. And
he was dead ass serious. And I was thinking to myself, like,
this is like a toy ball. What is this going
to do to impact me on our Friday before the
game you know what tomorrow? And that's how serious he
(05:06):
was taking that game that moment. Now, there was there's
a few things that play Joe Montana and like stripsacked me.
Like I was like, you know, like jonases in your
hand exactly. But my point is like I don't think
(05:27):
I understood the gravity of that game because he'd been there,
he'd done that, he played, he knew that. Like you know,
you look at it as a player when you go
into and you're like, every game matters, right, the way
you look at it in retrospect is like, yeah, they
all matter, but like the big ones matter more, and
(05:48):
like this one was. I mean, obviously my freshman year,
I didn't know how good USC was going to continue
to be. You know, that year they won the national championship,
they were the best team in the country. The year
prior they were there really good with Carson palrevewll the Heisman.
You know, that was the year Lighter you know, took
over and he was obviously very good. But Reggie and Linde,
like all those those great players, their defense actually was
(06:09):
probably you know, one of the better parts of their team.
But like I always look at these young kids and
I'm like, I don't think they understand because on the outside,
the narrative around this game is always like, hey, James Franklin,
how he's done versus the top five teams, Like do
you look back at your time and think too like, yeah,
(06:30):
like they all mattered. Like I sent you the clip
of you blocking the Fueld goal gets Pit right to
win that game. The reality was you guys were too
pit It wasn't even ranked. Yeah, So like as big
of that was as a rival for you or like
that moment because the block, it was big, But that's
not as big of a game as like your Penn
State Michigan game was because the rankings or you know
(06:51):
what I'm.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Saying Rohouse that Yeah, no, I'd get it. I would
say to that comment, a lot of those guys that
came back played in that Notre Dame game last year
and felt the sting. I feel like when a team
of leaders are able to feel the sting and the
disappointment of that type of a loss, like there's not
(07:12):
going to be a bigger game than the game they
lost to Notre Dame outside of if they had beaten
Notre Dame and lost to Ohio State in a national
title game. So I feel like the guys you know
that are in that locker room that have gone into
this week of preparation, I think they understand the gravity
(07:33):
of not only how big the game is in terms
of rankings and ratings and all that stuff, but you
know a lot of these guys are connected to connected
to the narrative of they can't deliver in the big game.
And I wonder how much that drives them because everybody
talks about how James Franklin, James Franklin can't win the
(07:56):
big game. James Franklin's record is this, Well, so are
those guys that are on that roster. That's their record
against big, big games, big teams as well. So I'm
to me, that's what I feel like is the deciding
factor when you talk about like a Sutton and like
I said, Zain Durant and you got like you know,
(08:17):
Dominique de Luca and all these guys that are really
really like grown ass men, like these are adults, and
you have one more chance to rid yourself of a
narrative that has plagued and hunted our program. I mean,
I don't think there's anything bigger and motivation than to
(08:43):
remove a stain that's removable. If they beat Oregon, it's
a first step. Then you're on your way to having
that opportunity to being viewed and seen in a different way.
And I'm I would be I would be at if
these guys don't have that that mindset and can actually
(09:07):
execute what that that mindset of being being what they
need to be like. And I just think I won't
look any further than the fact that we have it
up front. That to me is the biggest factor. Like, sure,
you know Drew hasn't played lights out at a Heisman
Trophy level just yet, But at the same time, our
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offensive line has has shown that they're what they need
to be. Even though it hasn't been big teams or
big games, there's still certain things that you want to
see continuity wise, cohesiveness and how they do what they
need to do and dominance and and our our defensive fronts,
our offensive front have have really shown that they're in
(09:51):
that direction. So I feel I feel confident about it
because our backfield is amazing them. Dudes are tremendous our
defensive backfield. I don't these these receivers at the same
time that we haven't faced anything crazy. I don't think
that Oregon's receivers, especially to young Buck, I don't think
they've they've faced as talented a group in the secondary
(10:12):
as they're going to see on this Saturday. So I'm
pretty I'm pretty excited about the matchup.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
It's true. I mean, I would just say this about Aler.
The other conversation is a.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Little bit different because it it impacts obviously the conversation
about the draft. And I think I've told you like
I've sat down with Drew. I love Drew's Ohio kid.
I think he hails himself extremely well.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
He's done with Bil too, by the way.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Yeah, sure, he's got all of the tools and tangibles,
like everything you're looking for the only thing, honestly that's missing.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
And this is like not even just coming from me.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
This is like guys I talk to because I will
tell guys like, hey, have you talked to Drew Aller yet?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
And they're like, no, I've watched the tape.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Though, Like every scout guys I talked to that I
know we're gonna be in the business for quarterbacks all right.
And they'll be like, yeah, I've watched, and they're like
not really, you know, blown away by much. And I'm like,
I know, but like I'll tell you hot turn in
the corner, Like I've been as big of an advocate
for him as almost anyone because every single person I
work with, people I talk to, people in the business,
(11:14):
it just hasn't it well. No, Like this year, if
you if you think about it without if you take
away the Nevada game, he's probably a sub sixty percent
passer this year. Yeah, against FIU and Villanova, like it
has been in the second year in a system where
you're really supposed to take off, it has been wildly
(11:34):
disappointing so far.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
And and yeah, I think I think Penn State fans
would admit that, Like there's there's been boos at Penn
State games because they have not beat teams the way
they should have, you know, especially early in games.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Way, this is a.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Huge moment for him because he's going to be judged
largely off of these games, more so than.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
The Nevada, FIU Villanova.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
You know, he'll be judged off deal have State game,
and we judged off if they made the Big chench Championship,
the Big Ten Championship game, right, so you know, all
these things, you know matter And I always just think
like when you're a young kid, like you don't understand
the importance when you're in the moment because you're kind
of in the moment and you're just focusing on like, hey,
I just got to focus on what's the you know,
(12:20):
as you were talking about like what's the key on
this on third down? Like what's their tendencies? What do
they do here? Or if you're a quarterback, like you know,
who am I picking off? I can a man a
man of the matchup? Or what do I need to
do with the protection? Or what's their blitz tendency? What's
their coverage tendency. You're you're you're notigh of the storm,
so you don't have that perspective to sit back and
like see it all. And and I just it's always
(12:42):
so tough as you as you get older, because you
see it and you wish that like young people could
see it the way you do.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
And that's I don't know, that's all.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
That's always my thing is like the older I get,
the more I appreciate the opportunities that I had in
what it was. Indeed, and it's probably why like I
always like trying to give back to young people. But
like even like even my cousin now who is a
senior in high school, like they dropped the last two games.
They lost the quarterback two weeks ago. They've got a
backup now playing and they honestly they should have won
(13:12):
probably both those two games. But you know this, the
senior groups like having a hard time pulling it together.
And you know, I'm not the type to like force
them to like walk over and have that like intervention
or conversation, but I so badly just want them to
reach out.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I so badly want them to just.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Be like, hey, man, we've lost the last couple of weeks,
like Andy Way, I'm watching like I'm in Utah watching
their games, you know, from Afar, their high school games,
and I'm like, god, dude, I want them to be
so bad just to reach out so I can like
talk to them, because I'm like, you got so many
games left that it's over.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
For you, Like this is it just senior your high school?
Speaker 6 (13:47):
That's it, and you will never touch a football ever again,
and even if you don't love it that much, at
some point you'll look back and be like, Damn, that
was the most fun I had ever, like thinking about
playing with my boys playing high school ball. So I
don't know, man, just it kind of hit me like
this thinking about this game your son, like the whole situation.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
The big moment for them too, like for the for
the freshmen and the babies, like you mentioned your freshman year,
it's a big moment for them to take it in
and see what the spectacle is. Like I mean, he
was there. A lot of the freshmen were early and
roly so they were there for the playoff games for
two of them, and they got an opportunity to see it.
But not the practice too. They got to practice, Yes,
(14:28):
they did. Isn't that pretty cool? They got to practice.
So if they would have won, they would have got
a ring, you know for what it is that they did,
and they were they didn't even have to go through
the whole entire season. But but I just I think
with the leadership qualities that that have been discussed, understanding
that Oregon has the same questions that they have to
(14:50):
answer and they got to check the boxes off getting
into this game as well. Like a lot of I
think there's a lot of pressure, if I'm being honest,
looking at this matchup pressure, I think I think there's
more pressure on Oregon to win this game.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
The last year beat Penn State last right, That's.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, wouldn't you say, and and not only did they
beat Penn State last year, they beat Ohio State last year.
They went undefeated last year, And and they are looked
at as a team that is built to win the
national championship this year. I would not I would not
say that that is a far fetched notion that Oregon
(15:30):
has more pressure on them to win this game, even
though they're not ranked as high as Penn State. Oregon. Obviously,
Penn State hasn't been looked at as favorably. They lost
the spot, right like Miami moved them a spot from
where they were ranked. I believe didn't they move them
from number two. So I think if you take the
(15:51):
pressure of what Oregon has on them, they're coming into
Happy Valley. They got to play in a whiteout, which
is that might be the most difficult environment to play
in in all of college football, maybe even in sport.
They're just as bad as Kansas City or the twelfth
Man when they're at wins white out.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, if Oregon wins during the white out.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
That's a hell of a win.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
That's it's a hell of a win.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
That's what I get. A level win.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
There is there is a little bit of like and
I understand how the Penn State fans because because this
comes in like the whole noon kickoff thing, they're always.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Like, oh, it's nude, it's not the white out.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
I'm like, all right, well, like you all like struggle
to betle High to State regardless of what time it is,
Like if Oregon goes in there and beats them during
the white out, Like it's kind of like to me,
I don't care what time you play. If you're at home,
you're at home. True, Like you have home field advantage, and.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Look, you gotta travel.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Get I get the advantage to the white out of
night and the whole you know stands. I get that,
but like at some point you gotta stop making excuses
like about, oh it's not it was that newt. It
wasn't that you know at the white out wasn't a minute.
It's like, all right, this is primetime. This is your
primetime shot. All right, you're playing it's the top five team.
(17:06):
It's put up a shot of time for me with this,
Like the whole narrative around everything with Penn State, James Frank,
the whole thing, it's like, you got your team back.
You guys are stacked. If there's ever a time to
do it since now. Yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Don't at me. Don't bitch about the time of the game.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
If y'all can't beat Oregon, right given three three and
a half points whatever it is now your favorite, all right.
If if you guys can't beat them at that at
the White Out, stop bitching about the time of the game.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Well, they're not going to bitch at you about the
time of the game. They're gonna bitch at James Franklin
about not being able to win. You don't have to
worry about anybody adding you, because all of them are
going to go towards James.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Frank if they were to lose this game, James Franklin
was gonna get his balls.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
In fact, I would assume that that white Out crowd
might might venture off in migrate to James Franklin's front yard.
I would assume that they will be way too occupied
and busy with other things that they're adding and complaining about.
If we were to lose this game at the White
Album just I would assume all those trailers that are
(18:13):
planning on going back to where they originated from will
park on the street of where James Franklin all the shit. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know. I'm just I'm embellishing, but
I'm just saying, man, it is there is a I mean,
I'm going to talk to Frank today. I'm gonna have
(18:33):
a conversation with him today. It's it's it is a
constant that that narrative is not going away. And what's
crazy is is if he wins this game, it doesn't
it doesn't take the narrative away because ultimately, in the end,
you know what, people will say, yeah, we were supposed
(18:54):
to win that game. They'll say we were supposed to
win that game. On the other side of it, if
they win this game, and it's still going to come
back to can you beat Ohio State. That's ultimately that's
what it's going to come down to. So so it'll
be interesting. You can quiet it down the adding and
(19:16):
you know all you know what time games are played,
all those different things, but ultimately, the ultimate prize, the
ultimate goal is to beat Ohio State. We don't have
Michigan this year, so these are perceivably the two games
that they're supposed to win to take a firm step
(19:37):
in the right direction of not being in that narrative.
And even if they win against Oregon, most of our
fans will say, yeah, but that's a Pac twelve team,
that's a Pac ten team that came into the Big Ten.
That's great. They were good last year. But you're supposed
to beat them. You better beat Ohio State. That's what
it's going to immediately turn to. So it'll be in interesting. See,
(20:00):
you just got to keep it in proper perspective. They
have a one and no mentality. I love their Their
motto is just it's a one and no season. But
I'm excited for the game. I really am. I mean
I had I was, I was. I was not able
to get a hotel room. Yeah, I wasn't able. I
usually I usually I usually have like there's a I
(20:23):
have like a v P status at a certain particular hotel.
I won't call it out. I won't call it out.
I won't call it out. But I've given I've given
them a lot of money. I hope for the years
on stand there's not it's not like I get I
get it. It wasn't a graduate. It's not the graduate.
(20:44):
But and they were like, yeah, we we're literally over sold.
I heard him. So the university always helps me out
because they always had blocks of room everywhere. This is
how big the game is. They came back and said, yeah,
(21:07):
there's only one room left that we had on our
block of rooms because they were unaware, like I was late,
late to the party on telling them I kind of
need one. You want to know what yeah, right, you
want to know what the hotel was.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Don't say it's the what I hate?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Which one?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
You know what I'm talking about? Tree tops or whatever?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Oh no, not top trees. Let me tell you something.
You you would be running on your feet, no uber
necessity necessary or needed if if that was your alternative,
which I like? Motel six, the skate two numbers up,
Super eight, super alright, love the Super eight? Say that again?
(21:54):
That is quality?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Are you being serious? All right? Dump that? Do not
allow people to hear that you said? That is it?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Is it one of those super eights where you pull
into the parking lot and the cars right in front
of Lorena.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Let me tell you something, because I care about you,
I hope you dumped that.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
What you just said, super eight is two steps above
a Motel six.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
She's probably out wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I'm not Lorena. I'm just telling.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
You real quick.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
You just told anybody and everybody who's listening to our
show something about you.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Let's let's all talk about this. Okay, who has stayed
at a motel six before? Oh me?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Can I can I reframe what your question was? I'll
say this, who has used a motel six or a
motel eight? Who had used?
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Those motels?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
First, all right, I'm just saying who had. Don't say
who has slept there? Because if you said what Lorena
just said that, I don't know how. I mean, I know,
I know in my mind how to interpret Saturday nine
ninety nine for forty five minutes. I'm just saying it's
better to say who has used those rest store or
(23:13):
those hotels before? Hey, could you bring extrace out of towns?
I've never done that at a motel six or a
hotel motel late we got at this stage used one
or state of one both? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Okay, I mean I was being serious, like I had
to stand one one wholes.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah. See, you're not judging Brady.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
It happens.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
You gotta know.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
We were we were on a we were on a
trip coming back from fig.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Tells me a lot about Brady no, no, it was.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
It was a whole crew party bus.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
We took a party bus from Phoenix to Columbus History.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
You did know, yes you did?
Speaker 6 (23:58):
JA started this though, I mean his philled balls sort.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Of dang, they weren't ask and I just you know, listen,
I think they shows you're a man of the people.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
You stayed a super in. Good for you, Good for you.
Oh no, I canceled it? Did you did book it?
At first? And I was like, nah, I just can't
do it.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
State of Harrisburg.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I'm standing Harrisburg. I do it. I do it, standon Harrisburg.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I'm gonna make the d Why you don't have somebody
connections of Harrisburgh take a car service.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
What's crazy is I'm from Pittsburgh, but the other burg
is my burg. Like that's that's my hood, all right,
that's my hood. Let's tell you preview Vig Harsburg.
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Speaker 3 (29:06):
Okay, you stuffed up que Jackson Dart He breathing like
Russell Wilson. Right now, y'all both come on't both out
of breath and out of time?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Damn?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I'm okay. He was giving us that that Motel six breathing,
right you was giving us that that's super eight breathe
that are you at home? He's fighting through the sickness.
I'm stuffed up too. I ain't gonna lie to you.
I don't feel good either, but anyways, it's kind of funny.
(29:38):
I was. I was enjoying it. You feel like you
feel better than Rosta's right about that? Yeah? I do,
because all I gotta deal with is is a stuffy
hit and you know, you know, some drainage. But he
he is dealing with, uh, the mortality of his career
right now. Geez, Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Why don't we just go there, Jonas, Why don't we
just go there?
Speaker 6 (30:00):
We wouldn't have this conversation. And I think we're here.
We got here naturally.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
If he just stopped after Seattle, He's a Hall of
Famer everything since then, you feel.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Like that disqualifies him from the I don't know that
it disqualifies him, but I think it changes the conversation
about him. Dang, Like if you look.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
At what weird thing was is when you asked if
this has happened before? Like, what do you mean in
that context?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Well, I mean where you see a guy leave an organization.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Willingly like wanted to go elsewhere, wanted to pursue something else, and.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
It run its course and then just ends up bouncing.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Around and be.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
He's on his second team now, truth, and he hasn't
played anywhere close to how he played in Green Bad Truth. Okay,
But like like if you would you had said it
was interesting, you had said, like, has this happened before?
We talked about this, and I would argue that it's
actually happened a bajillion times. I mean as far as
a guy who we looked at as a Hall of
Famer getting pushed out and if he did go somewhere else,
(31:05):
like what it looked like.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
That's one.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
You know, you could throw Roberson that I didn't have
the success in San fran but those guys he was good, Yeah,
he was good. But I would say Joe Flacco, who
was a Super Bowl winner, super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
You know, he'd been in a Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
But Russell Wilson was I think thirty two.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Like, it's not like he was at the end, and
those guys I think everybody looked at and said, well,
they got a couple of years least.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Well, we also look at that a lot different too,
like we we hear that now and we look at
that the way you just said. But yeah, that actually
used to be a lot closer to the end back
then than it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
I mean, Montana left, I mean, granted, he played for a.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Long time in San Francisco, but there's other guys who
you know, the guys are first off, guys are getting
in the league earlier, not later he used to be.
Guys would stay an extra year. There are guys coming
in at twenty one years old, now twenty years old.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Montana left at thirty six.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
He was thirty six, thirty seven, But you can but
I mean, I think obviously Rogers.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Was up there in age, right, he left around what
thirty seven, thirty eight?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, Tom Brady was up there in age.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I just Russ.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Feels like the one that you looked at and go, well,
there's tread on the tires. That's why Denver gave him
the deal. They gave him.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
But that's what's screwed him. You want to know what's
screwed him. It's not that he's not playing up to standard.
It's that I believe people really got turned off by
the way he was covered and the way things were
reported on him when he went to Denver. Yeah, I
think that's.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
By the way he went to Denver at thirty four.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I think the narrative coming out of Seattle, where you
had some teammates kind of turning on him, saying that
you know, it was about the legion of Boom and
it was about Marsa Lynch, not Russell Wilson, which is okay,
we can debate that. Look at his body of work,
Russell Wilson, they called, you know, big play Russ, danger, dangerous, danger, Russ.
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But when he went to Denver, it did not even
have to do with what he did on the field.
That started to deteriorate the way people looked at him.
It was the shiny suits going to the prom. It
was the the the office space to have your own
office in the building. It was those things that to me, what.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
About three to one crap closet to bedroom ratio at
his house.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
It was that was crap closet to bed.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I'm still ticked off about this, guys.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
It was it was the go to guys and tell
them bad for the holler run holler pass byer.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Think about the next buyer. You're gonna look at that
house be like, what the hell am I going to do?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Why do I want twelve bathrooms?
Speaker 6 (34:01):
You're sitting twenty thousand square feet with twelve bathrooms at
three bedrooms.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
You've got all these restrooms in your house.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
The house for horses, Like, who's gonna live in there?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
And you're telling them to make sure you wash your
hands and all out running pass while you're on the side.
I just think that deteriorated the mass reputation.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'm telling you there's gonna be Hall of Fame voters
that are just gonna go look up realtor dot com
and be like, yeah, we're out.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That's uh.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
If he bought that, I would Who would buy and
live in a house of that size.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
With that few bedrooms, that many bathrooms? We just can't
do it. You can't do it.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Won't do it like many super but.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Never thirty four.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
So it's not that far off from those other two
guys and I understand what you're saying, but like, if
you look at most players, they drop off after thirty.
Now granted he's he's one where it changed a lot
once he got the deadvert. We can we can go
into like I mean, just how ridiculous that first season.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Was, Like I don't know that that's all on him.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
For Nathaniel Hackett in that season, Like that was an
absolute disaster in every way, shape and form. He was
a part of it, but it was also on Nathaniel Hackett. Like,
think about how bad and ridiculous that was.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
And it started the first game was against Seattle. Remember
there was the clock management issue, and that was on
Monday night.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Did they hire a guy?
Speaker 6 (35:28):
They had to hire someone to come in and be
the clock management guy, because at no point when they
were he was hiring his staff.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
He was like, Hey, maybe I should have a guy
who helps out with this.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
It's right, great they want to talk about like there's
been I guess I would say this in the last decade,
there has been two decisions that I was like, wow,
that is if I'm ownership, I might be firing myself
from making a decision the rest of the time because
this is ridiculous that no one thought of this that,
(35:58):
and like after the fact, after having a game like that,
being like, man, maybe we need one of those guys
who stands out there and helps us with like the
clock and the decisions. And then probably Bill Belichick making
Matt Patricia an offensive coordinator. Oh yeah, along with Joe
Judges like those two, like putting those two in that position,
that whole situation, and everyone be like, yeah, this is
(36:19):
totally normal.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
I was like, Wow, they're really gonna do this.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
That is unbelievably this, I mean, think about how ridiculous
to be a LeVar. If an offensive coordinator came over,
it was like, yeah, I'm calling defense this year.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
You'd be like, what, You've never called defense in your life.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
You've never done it before, but you're just you think
you're just gonna walk in the NFL and go, yeah,
I'm gonna be a good defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Okay, pal alright.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I've had decordinators with man boobs that acted like they
were tough and called I'm calling the defenses names.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
So do you think in order to call good defense
you can't have bad movies?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
No, I feel like you can. But I mean there's
been some bad body coaches, but man, I just always
say like wow, like you sure are a tough dude
with some very very soft features.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
It is funny like between the defensive coaches and coaches,
they kind of have to be a little bit of
badasses if they don't come off that way.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
It's like, yeah, even if your body's bad, you still
got to come off as a badass. Like, bro, you
ain't fight your way out of a wet paper bag,
but you talked to all calls are crazy to be unbelievable.
Yeah it is, well yeah.
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the Philadelphia Eagles. The toush push stopper.
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It's worth a try. But he's got to get low though,
doesn't he.
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Like just start on the ground, Start on your belly.
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