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Buying should be we do have some boots on the ground.
Brady Quinn is at the James Hardy Pro Football Hall
of Fame Invitational in Boca Raton, Florida. It's at the
Old Course at Broken Sound. Now, what's what's the scene
like and what are the expectations for you when it
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comes to swinging the clubs this week.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I just hope to make contact at this point. But no, yeah,
down here at Boca Raton, excited about the opportunity. I
have no idea what I'm doing here, but get to
broadcast the show live. Hopefully we can find maybe a
guest or two to come by and talk before they
tee off today. But it should be a beautiful day.
It is. It's still dark out. There's just a bunch
of people moving around trying to set everything up today
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for a lot of the Pro Football Hall of Famers.
But pretty cool event. It used to be the TimberTech
event and then James Hardy now has taking it over.
And then you'll know the name Hardy if you've heard
of like hardyboard the no no no, no no, not
that that's spelled different to ed hard is what you're
thinking that's with a y Hardy with the D I E.
(02:13):
It's like HARDI board. For those of us who grew
up like in construction, all that Dad's building homes, all that,
you know, boots on the ground, Johonnas you know what
I'm talking about, LaVar. I don't know that you've ever
really worked any you know, anything like that before I
worked construction, did you? Sorry? And you know what hardyboard is,
would you?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
It made me decide that I needed to make it
playing ball, because there you go, I wouldn't have made it.
So yeah, I don't think I stayed long enough to
learn anything about any manufacturers or anything like that. Q
I just I was in and out. I stepped on
short I stepped on and nail and that was it.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
You know, that was it?
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
That was it man. Yeah, I had half my technics shot.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You know that happened.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I had still toes on some lugs. I had some
lugs still toes on, and I still got a nail
in my foot. But anyway, so what are they? What?
Tell me what they are? What? What?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
What type of James Hardy is like the biggest brand
of like sighting, say put on the house. Yeah, yeah,
got it, got it. So, but he's taken up the
tournament now it's a senior PGA Tour event. But the
cool thing is you got a ton of pro football
Hall of famers, a lot of other former players here
as well, all playing over the course next two days.
So it would be a fun event, good time, hopefully
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chopping it up talking a little bit of football but
also playing a little golf.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well, I know where they're talking some football. By the way,
how close to you to the owners meetings where Pete prisk.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I am thirty minutes south. I have actually not even
given any thought whatsoever to hitting up Pete to try
to grab a drink at some point, mostly because he'll
probably just try back home. I bet he was up
there for one day and one day only.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well, I mean it was pretty momentous yesterday. We had
all sorts of stuff coming out about different changes. What's
going to be happening with some of these proposals that
are out there. The one that's gotten the most genera
or generated the most but is the tush push and
what the plan is when it comes to the tush push?
The owners have tabled it all right, we have tabled
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the discussion. We are going to pick this thing back
up at these spring meetings in May sixteen. Teams are
in support of the Packers proposal to ban the play.
Roger Goodell, the commissioner of the NFL, spoke about his
thoughts on the potential banning of the tush push.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
He was there at the owner's meeting yesterday. Let's take
a listen.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
I think there are safety issues that are being considered
in that case. We have very little data from it,
but it's beyond data.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
There's also you know, there's.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
The mechanism of injury that we study, that type of
thing that leads us to show the risk involved with
a particular player, particular tackle. There's a lot of discussion
about going back to the previous rule, back to two
thousand and four. The reality of it is, I think
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that makes a lot of sense in many ways because
I get expands it beyond just that single play.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
There are a lot of.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Plays where you see someone pulling or pushing somebody that
are not in the touch push formation that I think
do have an increased risk of injury. And so I
think the committee will look at that and come back
in May with some proposals.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
So there was the two thousand and four rule.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
What was it like, they outlawed it, they out were
you were, Yeah, you weren't allowed to push a runner.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
There you go, So that whole dragon here you go.
I need to go back to hell. Yeah, not just
the touch like, here's how you get around it just
being identified as the touch push rule. It should be
the push pull rule across the board. You know, It's funny.
I saw somebody make the comment. I didn't even really
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think about it and realize, like, damn, that's how USC
beat Notre Dame When when Q was in school, the
famous the famous pool or push by by Reggie Bush
push right, I had Notre Dame getting points. I was
fine either way. That just to me, I just don't
understand how that became commonplace. And I know, like I
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saw I saw two ten h and a couple of
people like that were offensive minded guys, you know, make
comments about you know, me saying this that I don't
think that you should be able to push or pull
a pull a guy, whether it's the touch push, listen,
you want to do the touch push. You got to
figure out how your quarterback can push the toush of
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the linemen in front of them. That's the only push
you should get. And you're the ball carrier. But if
somebody else is coming to assist to push the back
and pull the back or the ball carrier and they're
pushing the back to other guys to make that work,
I just don't.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
That's not football. That's not so let me just get
this straight. You are not a fan of the assistance
of tush pushing, is what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Don't. That's that's correct?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Is that an? Is that on the field, off the field, Like,
where exactly does that stop with you?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Damn well, I would say if it's off the field,
certainly outside of the locker room. You know, I'm sure
tush pushing what may make more sense once I leave
the locker room. Yeah, probably that's where it starts for me.
And as soon as I go back towards that locker room,
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it stops again, and then that that process repeats itself.
That's what That's what I would say. Yeah, because here's
here's what it says.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I really don't have to Okay, maybe what you're doing
should be Yeah, it could be illegal in some states.
I don't have an issue really, one way or another.
I think what's interesting about it is we're we're working
on the idea that it is a safe play. I
watched the plan like man, you know, and you hear
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like Jason Kelson to be miked up, like moaning underneath
the pile every time they'd have to do it. And
I'm thinking to myself, like, there has to be eventually
something that's gonna happen that's going to be tragic. I
mean it just you've got three hundred pound plus men
lunging at towards one another with their head and neck
in a position that it doesn't look like it's going
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to be safe. And who was the Washington Commandos player
who was jumping over the pile, Yeah, Louvo, Frankie Louvo,
and like that. That's the way that teams try to
stop it. That's not safe either. So I guess I'd
just say this, if it's a competitive and balanced thing,
I could see that because it's been really successful. Though,
I would go as far as saying the team that
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introduced the idea to ban the play, the Green Bay Packers.
What's ironic about it is they were incredibly successful with
the quarterback sneak eighty percent of the time they converted
on quarterback sneaks last year. Problem is then a round
like sixteen of them, so like sixteen percent of the
time of their fourth and one situations roughly somewhere in
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that category. That's that's all the quarterback sneaks they ran.
So you know, you're banning a play at least at
this current juncture because of the competitive imbalance, meaning like
it's just it's a foregone conclusion they're going to get
the first down. And the problem with that is is
if you look at some other situations and other plays,
you will see the same competitive imbouance. If it's fourth
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to one, obviously the offense is going to have a
greater likelihood of getting it. That's why so many teams
have dipped in analytics and why they're going for more
fourth than ones, regardless of the field position. So to me,
and I said this the whole entire week, I'll keep
saying it has to be a player safety issue. It hasn't.
We haven't had that injury yet. But it's a small
sample size. You know, the tush push hasn't been around
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that long. And the concern for me is this is
typically how the NFL works. They're reactive, not proactive, and
eventually there's gonna be something that has happens that's tragic
and we're gonna sit there and all watch it and go, oh,
there it is. Do we have to wait till that
moment to get rid of the play?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I'll say this, and thinking about the play itself, people say, well,
how do you stop it? Oh? Well, they should start
pushing too, like it should be like literally like almost
like a scrum. Right. The problem to me is is
that in doing that, the advantage clearly goes all the way,
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all the way in favor of the offense. If you're
turning this into a scrum situation. Because you could play action,
there's a whole lot of different variations you can do
off of the play. Now is that fair? Is it
not fair? I don't know, but I just wonder. Will
defensive coordinators say, you know what, We'll take our chances on.
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We'll take our chances on if they pull the ball
out and try to get to the outside or do
a pop pass type of play action play. But we
are going to fight fire with fire, and we are
going to interiorly with with our front seven. We're going
to push like I would do a toush push personnel
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grouping where I send in instead of having linebackers, I'm
going to send in three more defensive linemen. And just
like we used to push through for field goals, just
like we used to push through for field goals that
they outlawed, we're going to start pushing in the A
gaps and the B gap.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, but don't you feel like now you've got way
too many pushing of tushes in difference, it's a whole.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Lot of ass pushing into the gap and not to
me mind your own gap. I mean, listen, the bottom
line here is is if you do get to the
point of where the tendency is, we are going to
fight fire with fire. To me, now that's where you're
getting into the idea. Somebody's going to get hurt really bad.
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It's gonna look even goof here that it already does,
because you're gonna have fat boy on fat boy like
like will take will take three dred and six hundred
pounds plus of two people for your gap to your
what three hundred pounds and are running back or tight
end or you know whatever it is that's going to
push into your back while the quarterback tries to run
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through it. Right, Like, at the end of the day,
if that's all you're going to do, and we know
that this is what you're going to do. Problem is
is that once you start putting those type of personnel
groupings in to create a scrum, you just audible out.
You just audible out, like you don't have anybody I
could cover our skill guys, so you audible out and
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then now I guess you got to call time out.
Now that's like you're in a boxing match. You're you're,
you know, trying to gauge the distance between one another,
and you start getting booze from the crowd, right, Like
think of that exchange. They come out, boom, touch push formation,
defense comes out, they line up, boom, send in touch
push you know, or have touch push personnel lan they
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look at it, they call it audible, the defense sees it,
they call time out. Now you got to go do
it all over again the same sequence. It's just a lot.
It's a lot for a short yardage play. It's like like,
can we at this point?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I just at this point, I'm over it, Like all right,
let's just get rid of it, Like let's just get
rid of it. The pushing and pulling that we've talked about,
to where for some reason it's allowed where an offensive
lineman can drag a ball carrier over the line of
scrimmage or over the goal line and that's just accepted.
If they want to go back to the whole things,
I think their idea is as opposed to attacking just
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the one play, let's let's adjust back to no touch.
This applies to everything.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, no pushing and poling.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And I think Sean mcva even said it, you know,
yesterday day of the day before, where he said, look,
I told Philly because he's part of the competition committee,
I don't want it to feel like we're attacking them.
It's just it's the optics of the play. There's something
larger that needs to be done, and if it means
taking away all of it, then just take away all
of it.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And then it should have never been allowed. That's that's
a habit, that that's something that they relaxed on and
it became part of the game. It should have never happened.
And again, like I said, one thing that really really
gets on my nerves is when the announcers are like,
oh my look at them. Look a determination. Oh my,
look at that leg drive meanwise, feet ain't even on
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the ground. Some people just want it more like some
people just have the determined Look at the grit. Oh
my goodness.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
You just still want to give any credit whatsoever to
the quarterbacks on? Oh you can't give them any credit.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
That's running backs and receivers like, oh my goodness, he
catches the ball. Hey, wouldn't be denied Like what y'all
see that lineman grabbing it.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I'm on the other side of this now. I think
I'm on the other side now. I'm rooting for this
play to stay around, just to the defense, just to
LeVar on. The defense can keep bitching about it.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
This I mean, I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I mean, I just say.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I think if you're going to allow guys to get
pushed and pulled, then then do the same thing for
the defense when we push and pull you back. If
you haven't blown the whistle, line that ball up where
where to play ends. When you blow that whistle, that's
where the ball is spotted.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
That's all You're trying to change forward progress too.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
If you're going to allow pushing and pulling, then you
need to change the guy dang forward progress rule too.
You realize that.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
May work against you because there's oftentimes where they stop
forward progress. Offensive players still thinks it's going and they
blow the whistle dead because they feel like his momentum
was stopped at that case.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I get it, I get it. But I'll take my
chances on that. I'll take my chances now. I hope
it stays. I hope it stays.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I hope you have to eat crow all right, and
you have to deal with this play and the pushing
and the pulling and the tugging and all the tushies
that you need to be pushing and whew.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I just I would also like to know who the
sixteen teams are that are on, you know, in support
of the banning of the play, because something tells me
Nick Sirianni is going to get a hold of those
sixteen teams and they're going to.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Devise something extra special for him.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
If do you think stik In Gannon, Kellen Moore, and
any one of those three who are former assistants there,
do you think they are in favor of the band.
That's what I want to know. I really just specific
one of knows those three to see if they're trying
to stab Nick Sirianni in the.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Back, because Sirianni did say, I know, I'll get the
support from those guys because they would they have jobs
because of that play. Typically said that, and he was
kind of busting balls, but you could tell there was
a little bit of some truth to it. Yeah, and
so I would imagine they're probably going to be in
support of him. And then obviously Sean McDermott's going to
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be in support of it because the Bills run it
at such a high clip. And then after that, you
know green Bay going behind the scenes to garner support,
you know, the banishment of the play.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Q made a point like they run it, what sixteen
sixteen times?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
No?
Speaker 4 (17:29):
That was that was different. That was different. So on
fourth and one situation, green Bay, who hasn't used the
toush push, they ran on sixteen percent of their fourth
and one situation a quarterback sneak and they converted on
like eighty percent of those.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah. See all right, So to me again, looking at
it holistically, I just look at the play and it's like,
it is it really that big a part of the
game where it should be that big of a one
way or the other. That's what I would say, Like,
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are we really going to say Philly won the Super
Bowl because of the touch push? Are we really going
to say that? No, because that would be the furthest
thing from the truth, Like that would not be the
reason why they won it.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Okay, But that's also like saying that that final play
of the game was the only play that mattered because
it helped them win the game. Meanwhile, every other play
before that still matters too, leading up to that event,
you know what I'm saying, Like, I understand what you're saying,
but there probably were some pivotal fourth and ones or
goal lines, you know, situations that led to them being
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in the position to win it.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I don't have a problem with that. All I'm saying
is I don't think that the play is a large
enough part of the game itself to take a like,
oh my gosh, like this is totally going to ruin
Philadelphia moving forward or any other team that would run it.
I don't. I don't see it as that significant of
a play, because LaVar, you were telling.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Me that, you you know, it's not so much the play,
like you you love the name of the play like
you're kind of indifferent on the actual play.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
It's just the name of the Why why is that?
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I don't know why you feel that way. Tell me
why I feel this way? Tell me why it's the
name of the play.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You tell me what you're getting at. That's the part
that you like. Tell me, tell me what. Tell me
what part of this? Like what what? What exactly are
you trying to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I'm just saying that you're you know what, You're just
saying you don't like the actual play. Like in fact,
when we threw out the name Brotherly Shove, like you
stopped me and said, no, no, no, no, it's a touch
bush like that that was really.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
What you had holding in. What's wrong with the Brotherly Shove?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, I don't think I'm okay with either one of them,
to be honest, unless I'm the brother Are you.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
And and you guys trying to tell me that there's
in different areas or different parts of the country, it's
called to me different.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Tang what you did there?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, well, hey, let's go. We'll keep you posted. They're
going to have this discussion again in may.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I mean, I said, Australia. That's where to brother Lisas,
what about you?
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Overtime rules, anything else we got going on, just to
touch on.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
And note, Oh yeah, of course, but uh, you know
we're up against it, so you know we got to
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Two Pros and a cup of Joe.
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Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with
you here coming up a little over fifteen minutes from
now here from the tire rack dot Com studios. There's
a potential April Fools story that's out there. We're hoping
it's real, but there is the potential based on when
the story came out that it's in April Fools joke.
So we're going to try and break that down for you.
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In the world of football coming up here.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Did you see the Dennis Rodman April Fools went cool
at all?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Oh? No, what was that one?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
They put it out that he died like that, Like
remember I remembering Dennis Rot mean, we're taking this too far.
I'm just saying that's that was out there. Like I said,
April fooled somebody.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Every Halloween. There's a Cleveland Browns fan that has a
bunch of former Cleveland brown quarterbacks that are buried in
the front tang.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Hey, but by the way, randomly on NFL Network this morning,
I was watching when I was working out, you the
Lions Brown's game where Matthew Stafford got hurt right before
the final touchdown.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
But you were in that game, all, yeah, they won,
all aided by the fact that there was a passive
aference defensive pastor affearance called Thehill Mary.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
So thirty eight thirty seven I think was the final that.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, of course, I mean, because you know, on Andy
hail Mary situation, at any point in time, at any
level of football, you could probably call defensive paster afference.
But of course we called it on that one. So,
by the way, but glad that worked out for us.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Stafford got annihilated and the guy, oh my god, I
want to look up where the guy was that hit him,
but he cleaned him.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Outang, I love the sound of that. So, yeah, the
good old days.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
But we are off and running here with the NFL
offseason because there was some other announcements that were made
when it comes to the rule changes and potential changes
that are going on. How about Christmas Day right when
the NBA thought, well, you know what, Liz, we're losing
all this, We'll let the NFL have it for a
couple of years. Nope, the NFL is going to go
(23:20):
ahead and take over for a couple of more. The
NFL has done it again. Netflix, Amazon will roll out
the tripleheader on Christmas. You're gonna get two games on Netflix,
You're going to get a night cap on Amazon. And
if the NBA is looking around going okay, well, maybe
we'll just get out of these specific days of the
week not happening. It's going to be a while before
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you even get the thought of the NBA getting Christmas back,
because Christmas days moving forward until twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
This year it's a Thursday.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
The year after it's a Friday, then Christmas is on
a Saturday, and then it's on a Monday.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Those are all NFL days.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
These aren't, you know, an inconvenience for teams or players
around the league anymore, which you can argue, well, if
it's on a Wednesday, it's too short of a turnaround.
They're in this window for the next four years. You're
gonna get NFL games guaranteed in some way, shape or form,
just like you're getting three this upcoming Christmas. Bye bye
to the NBA on Christmas.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
What did you guys have when did you guys think
that this is an opportunity for network television to say,
let's put our foot down and let's continue to try
to hold onto our market share of viewers.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
They don't have a say. I mean it comes down
to the NFL YEA.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
But not with the NFL, though with the NBA. With
the NBA, like, wouldn't you maybe make a stronger push
in terms of how you market it or branded or
whatever it is you do to try to compete with
the streaming services.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah, but it's different rights. Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I'm just talking purely from basketball being viewed versus you
leaving the television, leaving that network that is vested in
you having eyeballs on their channel. And I get it's
the rights thing away from the rights thing, just straight surface.
If I'm looking at Okay, you're taking viewers away from
(25:18):
our station. You're taking viewers away from our network by
doing this, and you're going all the way off like
you're going into streaming. You're not even staying on television,
Like I got a chance if you stay on television,
I'm taking you off cable or wherever it is you
consume you know, cable TV on your devices, and you're
(25:39):
going straight to streaming. Because that's like got to be
pretty scary for networks. So whendn't they put their best
foot forward for another product, Like what do you do
to make the product of the NBA or basketball right
in general? Well, NBA, how do you make that more
relevant as a network station so that you can keep
(26:01):
abballs on television versus streaming.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
The NBA is struggling for relevancy at every point. The
ratings have been dropping. It's been on a consistent decline.
So you're talking about just Christmas specifically. This has been
an issue for the NBA forever and whatever. You know,
network has the media rights. What what we're touching on is
a greater topic of you know, consumer behavior and how
(26:28):
they're absorbing a lot of what's on what we'd say, TV,
and how they're consuming what's on TV right. You know,
if you're here's here's the one thing I'd say about this,
this is a window into the future. There's a reason
why that the NFL has not only just kind of
planted its flag on Christmas Day. It's one to push
(26:49):
out the NBA because it's during their season and they
want that holiday to be their holiday. But it's also
about who's doing it. It's Netflix and it's Amazon. It's
not Thanksgiving where we've had you know, Fox and CBS, NBC,
your traditional linear television networks, it's streaming. And the reason
why no one wants to upset Netflix or Amazon because
(27:10):
they have so much cash. When the media rights deal
comes open again and the owners have the opportunity to
opt out in twenty twenty nine, you are going to
see a dramatic shift or change by that point in time,
I think, and how we're watching games come Sunday, I mean,
the reality is even though I mean a lot of
(27:30):
people have YouTube TV for the ability to watch multiple
games at once. And that's not just for football, that's
for like any sport. If you look at their multiview
packages and optioning, it's incredible, great and it's great. It
allows you to consume so much more. And that's where
you don't have that with Fox. You don't have that
with CBS, you don't have that with NBC. So there
(27:51):
are some things that the streaming services are able to
do that TV networks just can't. And to further that point, though,
look at the balance sheets. Man Flicks and Amazon are massive.
If they want to bid on the rights, and they have,
they've overpaid for a lot of what they have in
the NFL. Now they'll do it just to get their
foot in the door. The only thing that stands in
(28:12):
their way. This is the only thing this more really
feeds in the jonas is the ability to gamble when
you have a bunch of live events and you've got
a streaming service, it's contingent upon the buffering, the actual
you know, upload download speeds, everything else comes along with
that for any person out there to be gambling on
the game. So the the one entity that's going to
(28:35):
be impacted by this, who's a big sponsor of the
NFL or it has been become a larger sponsor, is
gambling and how streaming impacts live viewing of games and
the ability to gamble. Since everything's going to be more
delayed when you're talking about streaming versus a TV newhere,
So that's still going to be one of your bigger
issues they've got to overcome. But they've got, you know,
(28:55):
four years to do that. By twenty twenty nine, if
they're in a much better place then you were able
to stream at a rate that's very similar. It's it's
a negligent delay compared to TV networks.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Look out, what is the delay on streaming Lee, do
you know that it all depends.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I mean, if you've ever watched on any streaming device,
like it can it can stop, or it can kind
of freeze, or it can lose signal and then you're
all of a sudden thirty seconds to a minute behind
and you haven't even realized it yet.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I do wonder if there's a way that improves, Like
obviously you know you're not. I mean, I think Amazon
Prime's gotten better and better each year. I think Netflix,
you know, from the Jake Paul Tyson fight to some
of the other events that they put that got better
and better. That thing was was fighting, Yeah, it made
Mike Tyson. It made Mike Tyson look slow.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
And almost like he didn't want to throw his punches,
you know, like after that was the first or second round,
that's when like Jake Paul told him to stop, you know,
stop what he was doing. It seemed like the buffering
all of a sudden slowed down MIC. But not Jake Paul.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
That's a great point.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
I'm not the only one who noticed.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
That did slow down that interview with his son.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yeah, like I said, I watched on replay, you know
how I felt about it. Once I saw Mike Tyson's ass,
I was out, just like.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
He's care about this exactly what And he hugged his
kid with his with his ass out exactly which exactly
super funny.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
That's so funny how they just stopped just saying when
someone shows you their ass, they probably don't care that
much about it.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
They're they're giving you a They're definitely give you a
clear statement.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Jonas told me the one time you showed him your ass.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I did not. That is not I did not show
him my ass. I stood in front of that there
window right there, and I acted like I was going
to do it, but I didn't do it. So there
you go. I don't know if Q baited me into
something that really wasn't. You know he was joking and
(30:53):
I just gave you guys a real context. But yeah,
he mooned him. Yeah, I've never mooned Dan.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I know.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I thought you knew that I would though, I mean,
I'd have no problem doing it. Man, when's the last
time you moaned somebody? I don't know, that was probably never.
I'm not a mooner, but I would I wouldn't move it.
When's the last time you moaned somebody. So yeah, Lee's
thumb went up. So I'm just saying you yesterday, why'd
(31:19):
you when the last time you moaned somebody? Why'd your
thumb go up?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Late?
Speaker 7 (31:22):
I was just reading Netflix's response saying that they're building
their infrastructure for high demand streaming events.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
But I'm trying to think the last time I moaned someone? Truth? Truth,
last time you pulled your ass out and beared it
to all? I can't think of it.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
Man, it would have to be like I'd have to
have been like mooning the girl while she was on
a zoom meeting.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Or some girl. I mean, why why you dissinger like that?
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Lee?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Why you say it like that? The girl, the girly
just what I call or the girly Q. When's the
last time you mooned somebody?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
I can't recall the last time I did, but I'm
in junior high. We were on our way back from
a basketball game and a couple of the guys like,
did it to like a car behind us in the bus,
and somehow they got reported for it. Oh someone they
called the school and they had the bus number of
the whole thing, and so they got suspended for like
(32:25):
two games or something, but man, come on, like you're
suspending these guys from mooting someone.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It's probably a little bit more than the moon though they.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
They no, no, I mean, I don't think it like
the chief They didn't pull in Michigan State and spread
the chiefs. I'm just telling you, man, those folks up
there and Lancing are different.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
They are different.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
You want to see the dirtiest moon you've ever seen,
go to East Lancing.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
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Okay, you sound greatly, thanks, Malfunction. No, he's doing great.
He's been. He's been a big health this morning for
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It doesn't work like that. This is a walking deal.
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back at you bring it with you if you want. Yeah.
I went back. Yep, I walked out on my four
some or three some more whatever it was.
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If you're looking for some good football tickets next season,
Coastal Carolina has got you hooked up. Games are cheap
right now if you wanted to. They don't have games
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it's about one hundred fifty bucks plus one hundred dollars donation.
But what they do got going on is free concessions
at their normal concession stands. That includes hot dogs, nachos, popcorn,
fountain drinks, and water and there's no limit to it.
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Speaker 4 (37:01):
Oh that doesn't sound overly healthy, does it. I mean
it's it's awesome. I'm excited for the fans, excited for
really the students. I mean, how cool is that to
not have to spend any of your college money when
you get to go to the game. You know, you
just get to enjoy, have some food, watch some good football,
and go have some fun. That's that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
What's the catch? Yeah, what is the catch?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
It's just like, who gives away like that much food
for free?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Well, maybe you don't know that that many people are there.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Hold on, this is coastal Carolina. Think about what your
competition is. You got the beach. I think I couldn't
be mistaken. You guys can look this up. I think
some portion of their campus literally walks out onto the beach.
Oh wow, so you've got some strong competition with the
scenery there, and that includes the beach.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Imagine having a football field where the back of the
end zone goes straight into the ocean. Now that's some
next level type stuff. You do your victory dance like
in the water that why get that work? That would
be crazy.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Go straight in better if you if you did after
a sack, I mean we're baptizing or quarterback in the ocean.
That would be badass, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
or just he's like you go grab some water, come
back and be like I baptize you in the.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Name, or just grab the quarter Errington, who was the
big Alonzo spellman, grabbed Who was that I want to say,
Jeff George And he looked like a cave man walking
with like a person he was going to take into
a cave. And he he said, just dragging right into
the water, just dragging to drag the quarterback right on in.
(38:42):
Baptize him there. By the way, I'm advocating for stadium
buildouts that are near water to have an opening that
goes straight into the water.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
How far was the water from uh when you guys
are practice at the Pro Bowl?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Was it was far? What hotel was that the we
stayed at the Yeah? Yeah? How far were the hookers
from where you guys practice? They were in Waiqui Ki.
That's a little bit of a drift. It was like
what thirty forty minute drive or something like that. Everybody
would be going down there to get my ties. More like,
why notaki Ki? I don't know where are the white
(39:22):
women at?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Not there?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Dang, I don't know. It's been a long time. I
don't really remember all of the details of what took
place in Waikiki. I just know that the Hilani was
where all of the wives and the girlfriends and the
kids were. And waki Ki, well, there were a lot
of people that had rooms in wakui Ki and uh, well, yeah,
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that's and the wife and the kids wasn't at that
at them. That's all I know. And I was never
married while I was there. And if that was snitching,
I'm sorry. Statute of limitations, you know, it's not there anymore.
Somebody might be questioned, what was LeVar talking about on
the radio today, because you were in waikikik quite a bit.
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I stayed in Waikiki. Are at me two rooms
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Brady Quinn is at the James Hardy Pro Football Hall
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Old Course at Broken Sound. Now, what's what's the scene
like and what are the expectations for you when it
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comes to swinging the clubs this week.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I just hope to make contact at this point. But no, yeah,
down here at Boca Raton, excited about the opportunity. I
have no idea what I'm doing here, but get to
broadcast the show live. Hopefully we can find maybe a
guest or two to come by and talk before they
tee off today. But it should be a beautiful day.
It is. It's still dark out. There's just a bunch
of people moving around trying to set everything up today
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for a lot of the Pro Football Hall of Famers.
But pretty cool event. It used to be the TimberTech
event and then James Hardy now has taking it over.
And then you'll know the name Hardy if you've heard
of like hardyboard the no no no, no no, not
that that's spelled different to ed hard is what you're
thinking that's with a y Hardy with the D I E.
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It's like HARDI board. For those of us who grew
up like in construction, all that Dad's building homes, all that,
you know, boots on the ground, Johonnas you know what
I'm talking about, LaVar. I don't know that you've ever
really worked any you know, anything like that before I
worked construction, did you? Sorry? And you know what hardyboard is,
would you?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
It made me decide that I needed to make it
playing ball, because there you go, I wouldn't have made it.
So yeah, I don't think I stayed long enough to
learn anything about any manufacturers or anything like that. Q
I just I was in and out. I stepped on
short I stepped on and nail and that was it.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
You know, that was it?
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
That was it man. Yeah, I had half my technics shot.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You know that happened.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I had still toes on some lugs. I had some
lugs still toes on, and I still got a nail
in my foot. But anyway, so what are they? What?
Tell me what they are? What? What?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
What type of James Hardy is like the biggest brand
of like sighting, say put on the house. Yeah, yeah,
got it, got it. So, but he's taken up the
tournament now it's a senior PGA Tour event. But the
cool thing is you got a ton of pro football
Hall of famers, a lot of other former players here
as well, all playing over the course next two days.
So it would be a fun event, good time, hopefully
(03:21):
chopping it up talking a little bit of football but
also playing a little golf.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well, I know where they're talking some football. By the way,
how close to you to the owners meetings where Pete prisk.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I am thirty minutes south. I have actually not even
given any thought whatsoever to hitting up Pete to try
to grab a drink at some point, mostly because he'll
probably just try back home. I bet he was up
there for one day and one day only.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well, I mean it was pretty momentous yesterday. We had
all sorts of stuff coming out about different changes. What's
going to be happening with some of these proposals that
are out there. The one that's gotten the most genera
or generated the most but is the tush push and
what the plan is when it comes to the tush push?
The owners have tabled it all right, we have tabled
(04:08):
the discussion. We are going to pick this thing back
up at these spring meetings in May sixteen. Teams are
in support of the Packers proposal to ban the play.
Roger Goodell, the commissioner of the NFL, spoke about his
thoughts on the potential banning of the tush push.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
He was there at the owner's meeting yesterday. Let's take
a listen.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
I think there are safety issues that are being considered
in that case. We have very little data from it,
but it's beyond data.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
There's also you know, there's.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
The mechanism of injury that we study, that type of
thing that leads us to show the risk involved with
a particular player, particular tackle. There's a lot of discussion
about going back to the previous rule, back to two
thousand and four. The reality of it is, I think
(05:02):
that makes a lot of sense in many ways because
I get expands it beyond just that single play.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
There are a lot of.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Plays where you see someone pulling or pushing somebody that
are not in the touch push formation that I think
do have an increased risk of injury. And so I
think the committee will look at that and come back
in May with some proposals.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
So there was the two thousand and four rule.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
What was it like, they outlawed it, they out were
you were, Yeah, you weren't allowed to push a runner.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
There you go, So that whole dragon here you go.
I need to go back to hell. Yeah, not just
the touch like, here's how you get around it just
being identified as the touch push rule. It should be
the push pull rule across the board. You know, It's funny.
I saw somebody make the comment. I didn't even really
(05:53):
think about it and realize, like, damn, that's how USC
beat Notre Dame When when Q was in school, the
famous the famous pool or push by by Reggie Bush
push right, I had Notre Dame getting points. I was
fine either way. That just to me, I just don't
understand how that became commonplace. And I know, like I
(06:15):
saw I saw two ten h and a couple of
people like that were offensive minded guys, you know, make
comments about you know, me saying this that I don't
think that you should be able to push or pull
a pull a guy, whether it's the touch push, listen,
you want to do the touch push. You got to
figure out how your quarterback can push the toush of
(06:38):
the linemen in front of them. That's the only push
you should get. And you're the ball carrier. But if
somebody else is coming to assist to push the back
and pull the back or the ball carrier and they're
pushing the back to other guys to make that work,
I just don't.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
That's not football. That's not so let me just get
this straight. You are not a fan of the assistance
of tush pushing, is what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Don't. That's that's correct?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Is that an? Is that on the field, off the field, Like,
where exactly does that stop with you?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Damn well, I would say if it's off the field,
certainly outside of the locker room. You know, I'm sure
tush pushing what may make more sense once I leave
the locker room. Yeah, probably that's where it starts for me.
And as soon as I go back towards that locker room,
(07:31):
it stops again, and then that that process repeats itself.
That's what That's what I would say. Yeah, because here's
here's what it says.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I really don't have to Okay, maybe what you're doing
should be Yeah, it could be illegal in some states.
I don't have an issue really, one way or another.
I think what's interesting about it is we're we're working
on the idea that it is a safe play. I
watched the plan like man, you know, and you hear
(08:02):
like Jason Kelson to be miked up, like moaning underneath
the pile every time they'd have to do it. And
I'm thinking to myself, like, there has to be eventually
something that's gonna happen that's going to be tragic. I
mean it just you've got three hundred pound plus men
lunging at towards one another with their head and neck
in a position that it doesn't look like it's going
(08:22):
to be safe. And who was the Washington Commandos player
who was jumping over the pile, Yeah, Louvo, Frankie Louvo,
and like that. That's the way that teams try to
stop it. That's not safe either. So I guess I'd
just say this, if it's a competitive and balanced thing,
I could see that because it's been really successful. Though,
I would go as far as saying the team that
(08:44):
introduced the idea to ban the play, the Green Bay Packers.
What's ironic about it is they were incredibly successful with
the quarterback sneak eighty percent of the time they converted
on quarterback sneaks last year. Problem is then a round
like sixteen of them, so like sixteen percent of the
time of their fourth and one situations roughly somewhere in
(09:06):
that category. That's that's all the quarterback sneaks they ran.
So you know, you're banning a play at least at
this current juncture because of the competitive imbalance, meaning like
it's just it's a foregone conclusion they're going to get
the first down. And the problem with that is is
if you look at some other situations and other plays,
you will see the same competitive imbouance. If it's fourth
(09:27):
to one, obviously the offense is going to have a
greater likelihood of getting it. That's why so many teams
have dipped in analytics and why they're going for more
fourth than ones, regardless of the field position. So to me,
and I said this the whole entire week, I'll keep
saying it has to be a player safety issue. It hasn't.
We haven't had that injury yet. But it's a small
sample size. You know, the tush push hasn't been around
(09:49):
that long. And the concern for me is this is
typically how the NFL works. They're reactive, not proactive, and
eventually there's gonna be something that has happens that's tragic
and we're gonna sit there and all watch it and go, oh,
there it is. Do we have to wait till that
moment to get rid of the play?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I'll say this, and thinking about the play itself, people say, well,
how do you stop it? Oh? Well, they should start
pushing too, like it should be like literally like almost
like a scrum. Right. The problem to me is is
that in doing that, the advantage clearly goes all the way,
(10:36):
all the way in favor of the offense. If you're
turning this into a scrum situation. Because you could play action,
there's a whole lot of different variations you can do
off of the play. Now is that fair? Is it
not fair? I don't know, but I just wonder. Will
defensive coordinators say, you know what, We'll take our chances on.
(11:00):
We'll take our chances on if they pull the ball
out and try to get to the outside or do
a pop pass type of play action play. But we
are going to fight fire with fire, and we are
going to interiorly with with our front seven. We're going
to push like I would do a toush push personnel
(11:22):
grouping where I send in instead of having linebackers, I'm
going to send in three more defensive linemen. And just
like we used to push through for field goals, just
like we used to push through for field goals that
they outlawed, we're going to start pushing in the A
gaps and the B gap.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, but don't you feel like now you've got way
too many pushing of tushes in difference, it's a whole.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Lot of ass pushing into the gap and not to
me mind your own gap. I mean, listen, the bottom
line here is is if you do get to the
point of where the tendency is, we are going to
fight fire with fire. To me, now that's where you're
getting into the idea. Somebody's going to get hurt really bad.
(12:10):
It's gonna look even goof here that it already does,
because you're gonna have fat boy on fat boy like
like will take will take three dred and six hundred
pounds plus of two people for your gap to your
what three hundred pounds and are running back or tight
end or you know whatever it is that's going to
push into your back while the quarterback tries to run
(12:32):
through it. Right, Like, at the end of the day,
if that's all you're going to do, and we know
that this is what you're going to do. Problem is
is that once you start putting those type of personnel
groupings in to create a scrum, you just audible out.
You just audible out, like you don't have anybody I
could cover our skill guys, so you audible out and
(12:53):
then now I guess you got to call time out.
Now that's like you're in a boxing match. You're you're,
you know, trying to gauge the distance between one another,
and you start getting booze from the crowd, right, Like
think of that exchange. They come out, boom, touch push formation,
defense comes out, they line up, boom, send in touch
push you know, or have touch push personnel lan they
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look at it, they call it audible, the defense sees it,
they call time out. Now you got to go do
it all over again the same sequence. It's just a lot.
It's a lot for a short yardage play. It's like like,
can we at this point?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I just at this point, I'm over it, Like all right,
let's just get rid of it, Like let's just get
rid of it. The pushing and pulling that we've talked about,
to where for some reason it's allowed where an offensive
lineman can drag a ball carrier over the line of
scrimmage or over the goal line and that's just accepted.
If they want to go back to the whole things,
I think their idea is as opposed to attacking just
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the one play, let's let's adjust back to no touch.
This applies to everything.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, no pushing and poling.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And I think Sean mcva even said it, you know,
yesterday day of the day before, where he said, look,
I told Philly because he's part of the competition committee,
I don't want it to feel like we're attacking them.
It's just it's the optics of the play. There's something
larger that needs to be done, and if it means
taking away all of it, then just take away all
of it.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And then it should have never been allowed. That's that's
a habit, that that's something that they relaxed on and
it became part of the game. It should have never happened.
And again, like I said, one thing that really really
gets on my nerves is when the announcers are like,
oh my look at them. Look a determination. Oh my,
look at that leg drive meanwise, feet ain't even on
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the ground. Some people just want it more like some
people just have the determined Look at the grit. Oh
my goodness.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
You just still want to give any credit whatsoever to
the quarterbacks on? Oh you can't give them any credit.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
That's running backs and receivers like, oh my goodness, he
catches the ball. Hey, wouldn't be denied Like what y'all
see that lineman grabbing it.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I'm on the other side of this now. I think
I'm on the other side now. I'm rooting for this
play to stay around, just to the defense, just to
LeVar on. The defense can keep bitching about it.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
This I mean, I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I mean, I just say.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I think if you're going to allow guys to get
pushed and pulled, then then do the same thing for
the defense when we push and pull you back. If
you haven't blown the whistle, line that ball up where
where to play ends. When you blow that whistle, that's
where the ball is spotted.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
That's all You're trying to change forward progress too.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
If you're going to allow pushing and pulling, then you
need to change the guy dang forward progress rule too.
You realize that.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
May work against you because there's oftentimes where they stop
forward progress. Offensive players still thinks it's going and they
blow the whistle dead because they feel like his momentum
was stopped at that case.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I get it, I get it. But I'll take my
chances on that. I'll take my chances now. I hope
it stays. I hope it stays.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I hope you have to eat crow all right, and
you have to deal with this play and the pushing
and the pulling and the tugging and all the tushies
that you need to be pushing and whew.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I just I would also like to know who the
sixteen teams are that are on, you know, in support
of the banning of the play, because something tells me
Nick Sirianni is going to get a hold of those
sixteen teams and they're going to.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Devise something extra special for him.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
If do you think stik In Gannon, Kellen Moore, and
any one of those three who are former assistants there,
do you think they are in favor of the band.
That's what I want to know. I really just specific
one of knows those three to see if they're trying
to stab Nick Sirianni in the.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Back, because Sirianni did say, I know, I'll get the
support from those guys because they would they have jobs
because of that play. Typically said that, and he was
kind of busting balls, but you could tell there was
a little bit of some truth to it. Yeah, and
so I would imagine they're probably going to be in
support of him. And then obviously Sean McDermott's going to
(17:13):
be in support of it because the Bills run it
at such a high clip. And then after that, you
know green Bay going behind the scenes to garner support,
you know, the banishment of the play.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Q made a point like they run it, what sixteen
sixteen times?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
No?
Speaker 4 (17:29):
That was that was different. That was different. So on
fourth and one situation, green Bay, who hasn't used the
toush push, they ran on sixteen percent of their fourth
and one situation a quarterback sneak and they converted on
like eighty percent of those.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah. See all right, So to me again, looking at
it holistically, I just look at the play and it's like,
it is it really that big a part of the
game where it should be that big of a one
way or the other. That's what I would say, Like,
(18:03):
are we really going to say Philly won the Super
Bowl because of the touch push? Are we really going
to say that? No, because that would be the furthest
thing from the truth, Like that would not be the
reason why they won it.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Okay, But that's also like saying that that final play
of the game was the only play that mattered because
it helped them win the game. Meanwhile, every other play
before that still matters too, leading up to that event,
you know what I'm saying, Like, I understand what you're saying,
but there probably were some pivotal fourth and ones or
goal lines, you know, situations that led to them being
(18:35):
in the position to win it.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I don't have a problem with that. All I'm saying
is I don't think that the play is a large
enough part of the game itself to take a like,
oh my gosh, like this is totally going to ruin
Philadelphia moving forward or any other team that would run it.
I don't. I don't see it as that significant of
a play, because LaVar, you were telling.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Me that, you you know, it's not so much the play,
like you you love the name of the play like
you're kind of indifferent on the actual play.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
It's just the name of the Why why is that?
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I don't know why you feel that way. Tell me
why I feel this way? Tell me why it's the
name of the play.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You tell me what you're getting at. That's the part
that you like. Tell me, tell me what. Tell me
what part of this? Like what what? What exactly are
you trying to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I'm just saying that you're you know what, You're just
saying you don't like the actual play. Like in fact,
when we threw out the name Brotherly Shove, like you
stopped me and said, no, no, no, no, it's a touch
bush like that that was really.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
What you had holding in. What's wrong with the Brotherly Shove?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, I don't think I'm okay with either one of them,
to be honest, unless I'm the brother Are you.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
And and you guys trying to tell me that there's
in different areas or different parts of the country, it's
called to me different.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Tang what you did there?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, well, hey, let's go. We'll keep you posted. They're
going to have this discussion again in may.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I mean, I said, Australia. That's where to brother Lisas,
what about you?
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Overtime rules, anything else we got going on, just to
touch on.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
And note, Oh yeah, of course, but uh, you know
we're up against it, so you know we got to
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a potential April Fools story that's out there. We're hoping
it's real, but there is the potential based on when
the story came out that it's in April Fools joke.
So we're going to try and break that down for you.
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In the world of football coming up here.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Did you see the Dennis Rodman April Fools went cool
at all?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Oh? No, what was that one?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
They put it out that he died like that, Like
remember I remembering Dennis Rot mean, we're taking this too far.
I'm just saying that's that was out there. Like I said,
April fooled somebody.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Every Halloween. There's a Cleveland Browns fan that has a
bunch of former Cleveland brown quarterbacks that are buried in
the front tang.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Hey, but by the way, randomly on NFL Network this morning,
I was watching when I was working out, you the
Lions Brown's game where Matthew Stafford got hurt right before
the final touchdown.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
But you were in that game, all, yeah, they won,
all aided by the fact that there was a passive
aference defensive pastor affearance called Thehill Mary.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
So thirty eight thirty seven I think was the final that.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, of course, I mean, because you know, on Andy
hail Mary situation, at any point in time, at any
level of football, you could probably call defensive paster afference.
But of course we called it on that one. So,
by the way, but glad that worked out for us.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Stafford got annihilated and the guy, oh my god, I
want to look up where the guy was that hit him,
but he cleaned him.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Outang, I love the sound of that. So, yeah, the
good old days.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
But we are off and running here with the NFL
offseason because there was some other announcements that were made
when it comes to the rule changes and potential changes
that are going on. How about Christmas Day right when
the NBA thought, well, you know what, Liz, we're losing
all this, We'll let the NFL have it for a
couple of years. Nope, the NFL is going to go
(23:20):
ahead and take over for a couple of more. The
NFL has done it again. Netflix, Amazon will roll out
the tripleheader on Christmas. You're gonna get two games on Netflix,
You're going to get a night cap on Amazon. And
if the NBA is looking around going okay, well, maybe
we'll just get out of these specific days of the
week not happening. It's going to be a while before
(23:42):
you even get the thought of the NBA getting Christmas back,
because Christmas days moving forward until twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
This year it's a Thursday.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
The year after it's a Friday, then Christmas is on
a Saturday, and then it's on a Monday.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Those are all NFL days.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
These aren't, you know, an inconvenience for teams or players
around the league anymore, which you can argue, well, if
it's on a Wednesday, it's too short of a turnaround.
They're in this window for the next four years. You're
gonna get NFL games guaranteed in some way, shape or form,
just like you're getting three this upcoming Christmas. Bye bye
to the NBA on Christmas.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
What did you guys have when did you guys think
that this is an opportunity for network television to say,
let's put our foot down and let's continue to try
to hold onto our market share of viewers.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
They don't have a say. I mean it comes down
to the NFL YEA.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
But not with the NFL, though with the NBA. With
the NBA, like, wouldn't you maybe make a stronger push
in terms of how you market it or branded or
whatever it is you do to try to compete with
the streaming services.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah, but it's different rights. Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I'm just talking purely from basketball being viewed versus you
leaving the television, leaving that network that is vested in
you having eyeballs on their channel. And I get it's
the rights thing away from the rights thing, just straight surface.
If I'm looking at Okay, you're taking viewers away from
(25:18):
our station. You're taking viewers away from our network by
doing this, and you're going all the way off like
you're going into streaming. You're not even staying on television,
Like I got a chance if you stay on television,
I'm taking you off cable or wherever it is you
consume you know, cable TV on your devices, and you're
(25:39):
going straight to streaming. Because that's like got to be
pretty scary for networks. So whendn't they put their best
foot forward for another product, Like what do you do
to make the product of the NBA or basketball right
in general? Well, NBA, how do you make that more
relevant as a network station so that you can keep
(26:01):
abballs on television versus streaming.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
The NBA is struggling for relevancy at every point. The
ratings have been dropping. It's been on a consistent decline.
So you're talking about just Christmas specifically. This has been
an issue for the NBA forever and whatever. You know,
network has the media rights. What what we're touching on is
a greater topic of you know, consumer behavior and how
(26:28):
they're absorbing a lot of what's on what we'd say, TV,
and how they're consuming what's on TV right. You know,
if you're here's here's the one thing I'd say about this,
this is a window into the future. There's a reason
why that the NFL has not only just kind of
planted its flag on Christmas Day. It's one to push
(26:49):
out the NBA because it's during their season and they
want that holiday to be their holiday. But it's also
about who's doing it. It's Netflix and it's Amazon. It's
not Thanksgiving where we've had you know, Fox and CBS, NBC,
your traditional linear television networks, it's streaming. And the reason
why no one wants to upset Netflix or Amazon because
(27:10):
they have so much cash. When the media rights deal
comes open again and the owners have the opportunity to
opt out in twenty twenty nine, you are going to
see a dramatic shift or change by that point in time,
I think, and how we're watching games come Sunday, I mean,
the reality is even though I mean a lot of
(27:30):
people have YouTube TV for the ability to watch multiple
games at once. And that's not just for football, that's
for like any sport. If you look at their multiview
packages and optioning, it's incredible, great and it's great. It
allows you to consume so much more. And that's where
you don't have that with Fox. You don't have that
with CBS, you don't have that with NBC. So there
(27:51):
are some things that the streaming services are able to
do that TV networks just can't. And to further that point, though,
look at the balance sheets. Man Flicks and Amazon are massive.
If they want to bid on the rights, and they have,
they've overpaid for a lot of what they have in
the NFL. Now they'll do it just to get their
foot in the door. The only thing that stands in
(28:12):
their way. This is the only thing this more really
feeds in the jonas is the ability to gamble when
you have a bunch of live events and you've got
a streaming service, it's contingent upon the buffering, the actual
you know, upload download speeds, everything else comes along with
that for any person out there to be gambling on
the game. So the the one entity that's going to
(28:35):
be impacted by this, who's a big sponsor of the
NFL or it has been become a larger sponsor, is
gambling and how streaming impacts live viewing of games and
the ability to gamble. Since everything's going to be more
delayed when you're talking about streaming versus a TV newhere,
So that's still going to be one of your bigger
issues they've got to overcome. But they've got, you know,
(28:55):
four years to do that. By twenty twenty nine, if
they're in a much better place then you were able
to stream at a rate that's very similar. It's it's
a negligent delay compared to TV networks.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Look out, what is the delay on streaming Lee, do
you know that it all depends.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I mean, if you've ever watched on any streaming device,
like it can it can stop, or it can kind
of freeze, or it can lose signal and then you're
all of a sudden thirty seconds to a minute behind
and you haven't even realized it yet.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I do wonder if there's a way that improves, Like
obviously you know you're not. I mean, I think Amazon
Prime's gotten better and better each year. I think Netflix,
you know, from the Jake Paul Tyson fight to some
of the other events that they put that got better
and better. That thing was was fighting, Yeah, it made
Mike Tyson. It made Mike Tyson look slow.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
And almost like he didn't want to throw his punches,
you know, like after that was the first or second round,
that's when like Jake Paul told him to stop, you know,
stop what he was doing. It seemed like the buffering
all of a sudden slowed down MIC. But not Jake Paul.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
That's a great point.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
I'm not the only one who noticed.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
That did slow down that interview with his son.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yeah, like I said, I watched on replay, you know
how I felt about it. Once I saw Mike Tyson's ass,
I was out, just like.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
He's care about this exactly what And he hugged his
kid with his with his ass out exactly which exactly
super funny.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
That's so funny how they just stopped just saying when
someone shows you their ass, they probably don't care that
much about it.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
They're they're giving you a They're definitely give you a
clear statement.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Jonas told me the one time you showed him your ass.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I did not. That is not I did not show
him my ass. I stood in front of that there
window right there, and I acted like I was going
to do it, but I didn't do it. So there
you go. I don't know if Q baited me into
something that really wasn't. You know he was joking and
(30:53):
I just gave you guys a real context. But yeah,
he mooned him. Yeah, I've never mooned Dan.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I know.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I thought you knew that I would though, I mean,
I'd have no problem doing it. Man, when's the last
time you moaned somebody? I don't know, that was probably never.
I'm not a mooner, but I would I wouldn't move it.
When's the last time you moaned somebody. So yeah, Lee's
thumb went up. So I'm just saying you yesterday, why'd
(31:19):
you when the last time you moaned somebody? Why'd your
thumb go up?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Late?
Speaker 7 (31:22):
I was just reading Netflix's response saying that they're building
their infrastructure for high demand streaming events.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
But I'm trying to think the last time I moaned someone? Truth? Truth,
last time you pulled your ass out and beared it
to all? I can't think of it.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
Man, it would have to be like I'd have to
have been like mooning the girl while she was on
a zoom meeting.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Or some girl. I mean, why why you dissinger like that?
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Lee?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Why you say it like that? The girl, the girly
just what I call or the girly Q. When's the
last time you mooned somebody?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
I can't recall the last time I did, but I'm
in junior high. We were on our way back from
a basketball game and a couple of the guys like,
did it to like a car behind us in the bus,
and somehow they got reported for it. Oh someone they
called the school and they had the bus number of
the whole thing, and so they got suspended for like
(32:25):
two games or something, but man, come on, like you're
suspending these guys from mooting someone.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It's probably a little bit more than the moon though they.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
They no, no, I mean, I don't think it like
the chief They didn't pull in Michigan State and spread
the chiefs. I'm just telling you, man, those folks up
there and Lancing are different.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
They are different.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
You want to see the dirtiest moon you've ever seen,
go to East Lancing.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
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me and even late last night. A lot of logistical
issues last night. Okay, damn good, a lot of logistics
to overcome. But hey, y'all got it bad. Hell yeah, LaVar,
you could be here if you played golf. You just
(35:39):
don't play golf.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I told you I would drive y'all around.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
It doesn't work like that. This is a walking deal.
You don't have cars.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, well, now, as I'm out, I tried doing eighteen
holes a walk and I made it to nine and
was like, I'm going to get some Tomali's and some tequila. Yeah,
back at you bring it with you if you want. Yeah.
I went back. Yep, I walked out on my four
some or three some more whatever it was.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
Well, that would be the first time yet up. All right, guys, Well, hey,
you know me, I'm always looking for a deal. And
so in case you missed this, I found quite a
nice one. It actually popped on my feed yesterday and
I was unsure whether or not to bring it up,
seeing that yesterday was April Fool's Day. But I did
(36:29):
some research and I think this one's legit.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
If you're looking for some good football tickets next season,
Coastal Carolina has got you hooked up. Games are cheap
right now if you wanted to. They don't have games
by game, but if you wanted just a season ticket,
it's about one hundred fifty bucks plus one hundred dollars donation.
But what they do got going on is free concessions
at their normal concession stands. That includes hot dogs, nachos, popcorn,
fountain drinks, and water and there's no limit to it.
(36:54):
You can grab up to four tasty items each time
you go up to the concession stand and they'll hook
you up. Doesn't include third party vendors.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Oh that doesn't sound overly healthy, does it. I mean
it's it's awesome. I'm excited for the fans, excited for
really the students. I mean, how cool is that to
not have to spend any of your college money when
you get to go to the game. You know, you
just get to enjoy, have some food, watch some good football,
and go have some fun. That's that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
What's the catch? Yeah, what is the catch?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
It's just like, who gives away like that much food
for free?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Well, maybe you don't know that that many people are there.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Hold on, this is coastal Carolina. Think about what your
competition is. You got the beach. I think I couldn't
be mistaken. You guys can look this up. I think
some portion of their campus literally walks out onto the beach.
Oh wow, so you've got some strong competition with the
scenery there, and that includes the beach.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Imagine having a football field where the back of the
end zone goes straight into the ocean. Now that's some
next level type stuff. You do your victory dance like
in the water that why get that work? That would
be crazy.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Go straight in better if you if you did after
a sack, I mean we're baptizing or quarterback in the ocean.
That would be badass, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
or just he's like you go grab some water, come
back and be like I baptize you in the.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Name, or just grab the quarter Errington, who was the
big Alonzo spellman, grabbed Who was that I want to say,
Jeff George And he looked like a cave man walking
with like a person he was going to take into
a cave. And he he said, just dragging right into
the water, just dragging to drag the quarterback right on in.
(38:42):
Baptize him there. By the way, I'm advocating for stadium
buildouts that are near water to have an opening that
goes straight into the water.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
How far was the water from uh when you guys
are practice at the Pro Bowl?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Was it was far? What hotel was that the we
stayed at the Yeah? Yeah? How far were the hookers
from where you guys practice? They were in Waiqui Ki.
That's a little bit of a drift. It was like
what thirty forty minute drive or something like that. Everybody
would be going down there to get my ties. More like,
why notaki Ki? I don't know where are the white
(39:22):
women at?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Not there?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Dang, I don't know. It's been a long time. I
don't really remember all of the details of what took
place in Waikiki. I just know that the Hilani was
where all of the wives and the girlfriends and the
kids were. And waki Ki, well, there were a lot
of people that had rooms in wakui Ki and uh, well, yeah,
(39:48):
that's and the wife and the kids wasn't at that
at them. That's all I know. And I was never
married while I was there. And if that was snitching,
I'm sorry. Statute of limitations, you know, it's not there anymore.
Somebody might be questioned, what was LeVar talking about on
the radio today, because you were in waikikik quite a bit.
(40:10):
I stayed in Waikiki. Are at me two rooms
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