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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this football Friday, We're talking football. You better
believe it. It's the recap of the first round of
the NFL Draft. Some questionable moves made in the top
ten by one team in particular, we had a major trade. Also,
Shador Sanders still waiting around. Where does he end up
(00:21):
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moving up to take Jackson Darth. The old pe Petros
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so explosive bottom ten mock draft, the last ten picks
of the entire draft in the seventh round, and we
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And it is a round one of the draft recap
day here on the show, A uh, listen felt a
little bit chalky up until the Jacksonville Jaguars decided, you
know what we really like Travis Hunter, let's go ahead
and make a swap with Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Right, I mean, what pick was that number?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, well it was chalky going into the draft. People
felt like it was in you know, we kind of
had a clear understanding.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
That it was chalky in the sense of the guys
who went went to three four, all went went to
three four.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Who you thought.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I thought that the biggest prize was, yes, Jacksonville trading
up in Cleveland trading back to five. But then kind
of who Cleveland took at five. I did not think
they're gonna take Mason Graham, the de tackle out of Michigan.
I thought, again, not gonna be critical. I'm not one
who likes to sit here. And the next day after
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go oh, let's let's grade the draft. Let's give our ABC.
That's what Pete Prisco does, all right, because we'll leave
that to Pete.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
But that was not one of my favorite moves for
the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I kept thinking in my head, if you could have
a player like Travis Hunter, who you heard James Gladstone,
the general manager for the Jaguars, talk about, you know,
his versatility, he's deserving him a first round pick as
a wide receiver or cornerback if you could have had him,
But instead you trade back just to get some more
picks and then take a player in Mason Graham, who's
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a good player. I don't I didn't watch him this
past year, past couple of years, and feel like he
was as good as you know as a de tackle
was maybe some other thought.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I just I feel like, I don't know, it wasn't
as helpful.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
And one of the reasons during my mock draft, I
was like, it didn't make sense for Travis Hunter to
go to Cleveland and maybe this is the thought is
because they didn't really need him as much. They maybe
they need more defensive line help. I still thought at
that pick stayed there to take ab Duel Carter, like
That's the thing that really surprised me the most about
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it was you trade out of it. Not only do
dow't take Travis Hunter, you don't take at Duel Carter.
And yes, maybe you get more of a need in
Mason Graham, but I don't think he's to the caliber.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Of either of those two players I just mentioned.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
I think being with the guys last evening, I believe
the consensus was this is them trying to commit to
a rebuild and build through the draft. I think the
compensation of the pick, the trade out of the pick
would would say that, you know, them trying to gather
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more draft stock, more draft capital to try to build
the team. And you know, for for whatever, you know,
for whatever it's worth. You know, I don't think Mason
Graham for Cleveland with that defensive front. They definitely upgraded
their defensive front bringing him in. Do I agree with
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you they should? I mean, take the best available, Like
you're a team that if you get an Abdul Carter,
you have a premiere pass rush unit in the National
Football League. If if Abdul Carter proves out to be
what people are projecting him to be, again, it continues
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to be with Cleveland that that continues to be kind
of a head scratcher, and and you kind of ask yourself, Okay, well,
it was a I believe it was a safe pick.
I thought a lot of these teams played it safe
with you know, going with linemen, not going with There
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just wasn't very many skill players that were were taken,
and and so to me, it's it's, you know, more
or less kind of I mean, I don't know. I
I just I wasn't I wasn't overwhelmed by a lot
of a lot of the picks. I thought that that
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Travis Hunter going to Jacksonville was it's a tremendous win
for Jacksonville. But I question is it a tremendous win
for Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I just don't. I don't like the market.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I thought on the topic of Cleveland trading out and
then taking Mason Graham, I thought, okay, they moved a five.
If they're not taking gent, just trade back again, Like
if this is about the thing, if this is about
building draft capital and building towards the future, like let's
let's just keep this train rolling and get as mini
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picks possible and try and recoup what you lost in
the awful, Deshaun Watson, trade that.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
You made and so and here what I was getting.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
What Jay was saying is nobody wanted to trade.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, he was trading. Nobody.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Nobody was playing like there were a lot of teams
that were trying to trade from what I could gather,
and they nobody wanted to trade. Nope, we're not giving no,
you use your pick. Yeah, we don't want to cooperate
with you. Nope, nope, Yeah you got it, and you
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I heard it happened like three or four times too.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
By the way.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
People were trying to trade out like they were trying
hard as hell to trade and nobody wants.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Even with JENTI still sitting there, like nobody.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Wanted to move. Nobody wanted to move. Wow, nobody was
really moving.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Now. The team that did make the move the Jacksonville Jaguars.
So James Gladstone their GM, he's you know, spent a
long time with the La Rams and he spoke about
their decision to move up to take Travis Hunter at
number two.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
I probably got some familiarity with.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
The them picks sort of process.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
So for our fans, I'll tell you, don't be scared.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
This is something I'm uniquely positioned to navigate.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
We ended up with jack We ended up. We ended
up bringing Travis Hunter to Jacksonville.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
And with that, he is somebody who is deserving of
a first round draft pick as a wide receiver, and
he is worthy of a first round draft pick as
a corner. Certainly look forward to each of those elements
showing themselves over the next few years.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
While he's under his rookie contract.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
But uh yeah, we're excited about just getting him in
the boat, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Man him and Liam Cohen together, that's a quirky duo
duvol It's it's one way of describing him. And it
is interesting to hear the strategy and the aggressiveness.
Speaker 8 (08:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I think you go.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Back and look at the Los Angeles Rams and how
they've typically handled the first round of the draft in
the past. You know, they've been a team that they
haven't spent those draft picks. They've used those first round
draft picks to instead trade and go get verified current
Pro Bowl talent in the NFL. And I think if
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you look at that strategy, you'd say, Okay, it's gonna
hit your salary cap more. You know, if you're to
play this route. But when you're in a window of
we've got to go win now or we want to
try to win a Super Bowl now, it's not the
worst strategy.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
So you know, he's looking.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
At it saying, let's go find a guy we really
love and we want to build around.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And that's worthy of that.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And I get that, like you get rewarded for going
and finding guys who could be difference makers. Travis Hunter
was one of the you know, I would say four
difference makers I thought in this draft looking at it
between him, Abdul Carter, Ashton Genty, and Tyler Warren. Now
the Chicago Bears pick a ten blew my mind. I
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just I did not have Lovelin as high as as
a tight end, not saying he couldn't go in the
first round, but not as high as Tyler Warren and
as far as the different things Tyler Warren can.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Do and his his versatility, so like he.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Falls to you, yeah, it looks out great, But I
sit there and just go man Like, there's certain organizations
that you look at and you just go, well, why
do they have a hard time getting getting themselves out
of a hole?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Well?
Speaker 5 (09:56):
There you go, damn Well, I mean I don't, I don't,
I don't disagree with it. I mean when the Bears
did it, I said, this is classic Bears. I mean
Colston is good.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
He is good.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I mean he he has, you know, strong receiving ability
as a tight end, runs pretty good routes.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
But I mean Pete loves him. Pete says he's the
best tight end in the draft, better than Tyler Warrence.
Like what, like there's the recap on Pete's on CBS
sports dot Com. Pete, Pete loved the pick.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
By the way, real quick, just a peek in it.
So Pete grades I believe the first round.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Is that accurate? Jonas of the NFL.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Dra Yeah, then I don't know who does it after that,
but he did me that good job.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
So that's the thing is Pete does it for the
first round, and his explanation for the grades with each
one of the picks are so succinct. It's short, it's
to the point. It's sometimes was maybe a sentence, a
couple of sentences.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And then then you get this. Then you get like
from round two automward, it's like this deep analysis someone running. Yeah,
it's completely different.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Like Pete doesn't feel like he needs to explain to
you guys why he gives a grade for what he gives.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
All right, pe just does whatever he wants. You want
me to read, ask you guys a question? No, no,
I don't hold on. Let me ask you a question.
Can I have read?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I just want to read Pete's Pete's analysis on Colston
Loveland in comparison to Tyler Warren. All right, First, on
Loveland from Pete Prisco. I love this pick for the Bears.
He was my top tight end. He was the best
pass catcher of the tight ends. He will fit perfectly
into the Ben Johnson offense. Now to Tyler Warren from
Pete Prisco. This makes sense. Warren is an all around
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tight end. He can do a lot of things. The
Colts needed an upgrade to make it easier on their quarterbacks.
He is a good football player, but is he great
at anything? Dot dot dom.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Here's what I hear.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
They gave the comp with with Loveland to Tyler Eifert,
which I thought was an accurate That's an accurate comp
But if you were to comp Tyler Warren, who are
you comping them with? I'm saying Kittle or Kelsey and
and that's not.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Uh, that's not an.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Over, that's not a reach, that's a real To me,
I think it's a real comp and and for what
it's worth, I think that Tyler Warren can block better
than both both the comps that that I.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Gave with Damn, why am I blanking on? Who I
just said? I just gave you.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Guys Kittle, Kittle and Kelsey Like he you know, he
he can block better than them.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
So to me, which one would you rather have?
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Would you rather have Eiffert or would you rather have
Kelsey or or Kittle? Like that was that was the
question that was was circulating For me, I'd rather have
a more talented, gifted player and what it is that
they bring to the table. I think Eiffert is a
really fine football player, really fine tight end for the Bengals,
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But I mean he doesn't move the needle like like
a Kelsey or a Kittle does. Like to me, the
future is how Kittle and Kelsey play the game, and
that's what you get in a Tyler Warren. And so
to me, I felt like it was an easy It
was an easy decision. If you're going with a tight
end early on, you should have been you know, biting
at the bit to get a hold of a Tyler Warren.
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No shade to Loveland, because again I think that Loveland
is a fine football player, but great, you know, I
don't you know, that's I feel like that might be
a little bit of a reach.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I would actually go as far as saying, I don't
really see much of a comparison between Colston Loveland and
Tyler Eifert. I thought my effort was much more dynamic
the way nardam used him in their offense. I mean,
how they tried to isolate him one on one versus
pretty much anyone. You saw elements of that at Michigan,
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but that was more out of board, out of necessity
because they didn't really have anyone at a wide receiver
that could do that. I mean, they were so poor
a wide receiver. They had to do some different things
with him to get him the ball, and even then
it was, you know, he was good, but not quite
as dynamic. I also think Eifer was a little bigger,
better blocker.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
As an inline tight end.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
So I understand the comp based on maybe some similarities,
but I actually think I, for given his athleticism, was
a lot closer to a Kelsey and so forth. It's
just maybe he didn't do a lot of those different things.
I mean, you're also talking about like a guy who
was a pro bowler who dealt with injuries. But the
difference for me is just and again, you have to
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look at the board and say, like, who do we
feel like our best players available.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I'm sure that's what Chicago did on their draft.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Board and how they evaluated it, But I'm just like,
there's not other places where you felt like there was
a need defensively to help improve that side of the ball,
or even offensive line. You know, there was a number
of offensive line and that ended up going at some point,
and I you know, Josh Simmons ends up going thirty second.
He's a guy I thought would be a great fit
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for them, and I know, you know, talking to some
people last night, there was character, character concerns besides.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
The medical concerns.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
We hear that about guys like Jayleen Carter. Oh, there's
character concerns. The how's Philly feeling about them after last year?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Oh, by the way, Breer brought that up with Simmons
as well too. What are the character concerns about him
that people are talking about what does.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
He I wouldn't know the specifics to it.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
The times that we were around Ohio State never heard,
never saw anything like that.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
So you know, there's three things. Right.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
There's medical that world not privy to. We just hear like, oh,
it's a medical issue, which he did have. Some of
that there was a concern with. And then there was
this idea of character, whether it's off the field concern
for bad things or do I love football like that
they questioned whether or not these players love football. I
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don't know if he falls into either one of those
two categories, but from talking to some people last night,
there's that general label of some character concerns.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
So again I.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Just I always think back and I laugh because you know,
Joel Klatt goes on a diet tribe last night for
defending Shador Sanders and the narratives and all stuff, you know,
and taking issue with it, which is great, but he
also is part of that, you know, and people you
know you know at times do that and and go.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
After some of those narratives.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
So we got to be careful, right, we don't sound
hypocritical when when we're out there taking this grand stand
for like the narratives around a lot of these prospects. Well, okay,
there's different narratives in college football that it gets built
up then too, and sometimes you have a podcast or
sometimes you're on to show it's part of that. So
my general point is this, I hate hearing it too.
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Clearly there's something going on though with a player, because
it wasn't just Breer saying it. It was other coaches
that I talked to in the NFL, uh, you know,
at that position group that were telling me that last night.
So it was a bit surprising. But again, I still
feel like Lovely will be fine for them, But will
he end up being the kind of game changing tight
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end in Ben Johnson's offense in Chicago that they need.
I don't know, Like, do you view him as Sam Laporta?
Do you feel me as those types?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Will we hold Pete accountable for this? Is this going
to be our comp much like the Joe Burrow is
going to win multiple Super Bowls?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
We've got to go, oh yeah, I will, yeah, I
certainly will.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Certainly we will certainly circle back.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Pete did give and lets unless Tyler doesn't prove out
Pete the only way I leave it alone.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
By the way, Pete did give Josh Simmons an A
plus grade to the Kansas City Chief.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
So there's that, so real quick on the subject too.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
By the way, with Pete, uh, can we can we
look through his grades and just hold this Lee if
you could, if you're there, just try to find some
things we can pick on a little bit. By the way,
like great, great Zabel for Seattle, does anyone draft more
obscure guys from smaller schools?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah? Or out of the way, the John Schneider in
the Seahawks. It's great.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I mean something, it felt like you pushed out Pete
Carroll and Seattle. It's like it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
It's like, Yeah, the LeVar last night on the draft
coverage just says to Joe Douglas and Jay Glazer, like,
I got a question, what are the Seahawks doing? It's like, well,
you know, they like they like the linemen here, they
like this. You know, it's been kind of a kind
of an interesting offseason for.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, strange.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Can I give you a thirty second though, like dissertation
as to why and there's nothing against the small school guys,
all right, I understand there's some diamonds in the rough.
There's some guys who who show out. But can we
be real old now, this in this day and age
of college football, where it's easier and easier to transfer
from a smaller school to get to a bigger school
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because of the transfer portal, because of nil the cream
of the crop has mostly had some of the top
schools mostly and probably now more than ever before. And
I've always had this theory that a lot of general
managers and towent evaluators and scouts they try to find
these diamonds in the rough from smaller schools because they
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can kind of stake their claim to that it's too
it's too easy to take. Hey, let's just take a
bunch of offensive linemen from Ohio State. Hey, let's just
take a bunch of guys from Alabama.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, like you have to look that hard. Georgia had
all kinds of players. Hey, let's just st right every
other player Georgia.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
But in all seriousness, these guys don't feel like there's
any value that they can provide if they're just bringing
guys who are some of the top in college football. Now,
maybe there's some truth that like making them look good
for fun, these diamonds in the rough or find the
few and far between guys that stand out. But the
truth is is, like think back to the Seattle Seahawks
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drafts most recently, how many guys really stick out?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
You'd have to say the names to me, I mean
Jackson Smith and Jigbas showing flashes.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Him and Withersmith I think, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Kennis Walker's shown flashes, but you.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Can't stay healthy.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, and there there's talks are trying to unload him
and or Charbonne as well too, So they were.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Like I think to think that the past drafts he's had,
like he's had some guys who are hits, but they're
usually the obvious ones. It's like, well, yeah, Jackson Smith
and Jig but he was pretty prolific at Ohio State,
Like didn't overthink that one. That's a hit, And then
you look at some of these.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Other obscure ones and they're going all right.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
But anyway, we could break down all types different elements
of the first round. I just that's always one where
you see the name, you go, yeah, no, not many
other people had that on their bingo board.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Does he know something?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
We all don't or is he just I don't know,
trying to try to build a certain way and try
to put a steak his claim to a guy. And again,
don't get me wrong, North Kota State is not like
a small program anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
That's that plays at a little professional push.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
But they've they've had talent in recent years, so you
gotta give him credit for that. But it's it's not
the North Dakota State like twenty years ago, we're like, oh,
who's ever heard of that?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Well, I know people have heard of this. It's a
football Friday. Finally, football Friday here on the show. Come on.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
Yeah, I'm tired.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I'm tired. I'm tired. I don't I don't know why
I'm here. I don't know while I'm here. I'm tired.
I'm tired, and I don't know why I'm here. Hell no,
come on, come on?
Speaker 10 (22:03):
Nope, nope, nope, nope. Won't come up, won't come up,
won't come up, won't make me. I won't do it.
I won't do it. Okay, come on, come on, come on,
let's let's work for it. Let's work for it.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Here we go.
Speaker 10 (22:17):
Friday night is a football Friday.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
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it up a little bit of trash talk to get
you started, and it's from the same division as usual
in the NFL. We'll get into that for you here
on FSR. The big story last night for a lot
of people, and the big story going into today at
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the NFL Draft is going to be the fall of
Shador Sanders he falls out of the first round. He
also spoke with his draft party yesterday following the disappointment
of not going in the first round and had this
to say.
Speaker 11 (24:00):
I didn't expect this, of course, but I feel like
with God, anything possible, everything possible. I don't feel like
this happened, you know, for no reason. All this is is,
of course, few to the fire and under no circumstance.
We all know this going to happen, but we we
understand we own the bigger and better things. Tomorrow's the
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day we're gonna be happy to regardless, doesn't there.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
So the Cleveland Browns the overwhelming favorite at this point
to draft Shed or Sanders at a minus three point fifty.
They've got the first pick coming up later on, so
maybe he'll end up in Cleveland to join Mason Graham
and that offense there. So it's not ideal I kind
of kind of feel bad for him, but you know,
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there was this did feel like it was more of
a possibilities. We got closer to the draft.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Hey, I was talking to Jay yea Joe Sam.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Jay Jay said he wasn't on his first round ticker
and basically said that, you know, his advice was stay
away from the cameras. And I thought that was interesting
advice because giving him the advice to stay away from
the cameras was basically like, look, do what you're going
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to do, but just know they're going to continue to
leverage you as a storyline for the draft, and they
can do it, but don't have any cameras there, you know,
panning back and forth to you like almost like you know,
seeing what the reaction is going to be. You know what,
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what is there any fallout from it or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I just you know, I.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Feel like looking at it and understanding, understanding it for
what it is. Just you know, if I'm sudor Sanders,
just wait for wait for your draft pick. You know,
regardless of anything, just wait for your draft pick. I mean,
you're supposed to have high confidence. So whether he was
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going to get drafted or not, you know, that's not
in his hands and maintain your confidence and do things
the way I don't think. I don't think he did
anything incorrectly. You know, I get it. Stay away from
the cameras because nobody wants to see a guy that was,
you know, maybe projected to go higher them than obviously
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where he's at right now. And in some cases, you know,
nobody wants. I don't want to see a guy sit
there and try to struggle through it. I mean, I
know maybe some people do, but I don't, But I
just don't. I don't think that he did anything wrong.
And so, for what it's worth, like we brought up
character issues in the first segment, if you want to
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call his his his confidence and his his his air
about him, his his aura about him. If you want
to call that in the question, you can call it
in the question. And if that that's what made you
not want to take them, then you know it is
what it is. That's how business works, that's how life works.
But you know, I'm still curious as to who if
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you didn't like him in the first round, why are
you going to like him in the second round? You know,
And that's kind of like my thought process who's going
to take the chance if you've scared away from him
by what you think he's going to be when he
comes there. Who's going to take him in the second round?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
What a team that needs a quarterback that they don't
want to make as big of a financial commitment to
right that, that's who's going to take him. So it
could be Cleveland, it could be a number of other teams.
Maybe it's Pittsburgh this time around, even though they don't
have a picture of the third round, so they'd have
to trade a bunch of assets to get up into
the second round. So there's some thought there to who
it could be.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Here's here's the reality.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Okay, because I was a part of a draft where
I dropped to the twenty second pick, it doesn't matter
where you go. It's just a start point. That's That's
the reality of it. And there's a bunch of reasons why.
You know, some teams look at other players and they
like them here, they like them there, they don't like
them here. All that stuff is for the teams to
decide where the player is the best fit. So from
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this standpoint, and I again reached out to some guys
last night, a lot of guys just didn't feel like
the talent equated to being a first round pick. It
wasn't so much about character concerns. It was more about
did they feel like he would be able to come
into a locker room and be a guy that other
guys would, you know, be around and like and all
that They kind of found him pollarrising, and that sometimes
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canna be a good thing depending on who the head
coach and general managers, and sometimes can be a bad
thing because they don't want a guy to come in
who they feel like is going to ruffle a bunch
of feathers that the organization and the locker room can't
get behind. So, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if
you didn't see Jilen Milroe potentially go before him who's
still on the border Tyler Shuck for some of those reasons,
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you know Jalen Milroe has. At the NFL level, you
have to have extraordinary talent at something. Jalen Milroe has
extraordinary talent as far as his athleticism and some of
his raw tools. You know, that's his extraordinary talent. I
think there's a thought too that and this kind of
resurve surfaced yesterday that maybe there's just not one specific
thing that should do or does so well that lends
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itself to say like, this is why we're going to
hang our hat on this, because we feel like he'll
excel at this. But he Look, he didn't go to
the draft, which was smart, and he can kind of
control things. He had his whole brand legendary that he
was plastered everywhere and was set up for them to
kind of capitalize and take advantage of. And so when
you go to the draft, you open yourself up to
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being there, being part of the cameras everything else. You
know that going into it, though, that's the reality of it.
And so since he chose not to, he's in complete
control over what people see or don't see.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I mean, there wasn't.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Really any interviews, There wasn't really anything going on. They
kind of but at the night tickets course, And he'll
get drafted today. I think I'm not sure where or
to who, but I think at some point hol end
up going, and at some point that'll be a starting
point and he can look back and use his motivation
and hope that he goes to the organization that gives
him the opportunity to develop, because this is gonna be
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the first time he hasn't had his dad there as
a coach to be there to help him develop, and
that's gonna be a transition for him that he hasn't
experienced in a long time.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
I find it can if I'm in the the Sanders camp,
I find it concerning.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I don't know, man, I just feel like if you're
looking at it.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
From the critical perspective of the possibilities, like, Okay, if
we're saying, if what you're saying is true, then maybe
maybe it does pan out where he goes in the
second round, But for no one to make a move
on him when there were clearly clearly quarterback issues that
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have been you know, raised about some of these organizations.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
I don't, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Is the second round, like, do we have the same
conversation coming out of the second round?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Could he think further in the second round? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
You do for a while, you know, you do, until
you get to a round where the financial commitment is
just not as big. I mean that that's ultimately what
because here's the other thing to this, If there's any
concern whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
About like does he love football.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Well, when you take a player in a round where
he doesn't have much of a financial guarantee, it then
pushes to the forefront. Well, in order for him to
get to that point where he gets that next big contract,
he's got to play and work his ass off and
he's got to showcase it. So there's an element of
like desperation to get to that next contract that he's
got to display.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
So it's a trol.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
It's control with with sdeor Sanders, because that sounds like
that's how it's going to play out.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Is he has to.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Be put in a situation where clearly coming into it,
there's control and for what it's worth, what you know,
you can't blame you can't blame the organization if it
doesn't work with Shador Sanders, if you didn't spend a
top draft pick on him, right like, if he doesn't
pan out, he doesn't pan out, like, look, we drafted
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him here, he didn't pan out. I mean, sometimes draft
picks at this you know, at this round, they at
this pick, they don't pan out, you know, I mean,
And it's more it's more likely that the further you
get away from the top prospects that there's the chance
they might not play pan out.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Will Loves fell to the second round. Remember, like that
was people thought he was going to go in the
first round. And now there's talks that Tennessee you'll move
on from him at some point, so they're moving on.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Yeah, So that's it's an interesting story because he certainly
is a is a major storyline for this draft, and
it's like, oh, okay, it's so much it seems like
there's such contradiction connected to it. If he's a lightning
rod of a topic, then doesn't that mean he is
(33:10):
a legitimate enough prospect to be in the conversation and
in the mix to be this lightning rod storyline for
the draft? But yet he's not good enough to go
in the first round. Like it just seems like it's
a contradiction to me.
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Speaker 1 (35:18):
After that, we turned it over to our executive producer, Lee.
Speaker 12 (35:21):
Lap good more than everybody.
Speaker 9 (35:24):
Good morning Jonas, Good morning LeVar, Good morning Brady.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Lee. How's your draft?
Speaker 12 (35:29):
I man, oh my draft night was fantastic. You know
what better than to watch what a scene that played
out in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
That was awesome. I don't know if you guys, what
do you What did you drink? What did I drink?
Speaker 12 (35:40):
I had UH little this, little that, a little bit
of this, a little bit of that, little kila from UH.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Costco, Costco tequila, Costco run Jesus Christ. Some people buy
sweatpants from there.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I love.
Speaker 12 (36:01):
Yeah, it's been a while since I was in a Costco.
You get in trouble in there, that's for sure. A
lot of priestamples got me a dollar fifty hot dog.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
It's good, good times in some Kirkland tequila.
Speaker 12 (36:14):
And then of course I think a little special drink
over at the good Night after helping Todd jump his car,
and then we watched the first round of the draft
over there at the good Night.
Speaker 9 (36:24):
It was good times.
Speaker 12 (36:25):
And of course we got to see that awesome scene
again in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 9 (36:28):
And what better way than to bring in the draft
than with Clay Matthews delivering the opening.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Here we go.
Speaker 13 (36:34):
I just got off the fall with the President, Donald Trump.
He asked me to pass the message alone two NFL franchises.
So let me tell you what to reads here? All right,
this says my bottle mentains the bear still sun? Right?
Speaker 9 (36:55):
So what the Bears still Si?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Isn't he most known for his career at the Rams?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Why is he?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Like, didn't he finish with the Rams? And why did
they bring him back?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I don't I don't think that's true. Yeah, probably is.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
There is this Lee taking a shot at you jonas
I listen. It's not wrong.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
You know, you guys got better tight end.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, well yeah, I mean that's that's what they needed,
the wrong tight end. That's that's what they needed, just
when you thought it could get worse. Yeah, why why
they brought in you know, why would you want to
build on the interior, you know, just get another tight
hey olo for Shan who's available last year.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
We'll take Rome to doing. Okay, all right, that's how
they operate. So man, not my team.
Speaker 12 (37:47):
Loved hearing the boo birds for their pick even then
they you know, of course Cadell kind of puts a
wrench in it by, you know, giving a tribute to
Steve McMichael, who passed away of course this week. And
you know you got two hundred five thousand fans out
there in Green Bay, Wisconsin booming and having.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
To by the way, Steve, Steve McMichael played I think
a season with Green Bay did as well too, So
it's all good. What else you got?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
How about it?
Speaker 12 (38:08):
That attendance and did you see the in case you
miss it, all the locals offering up their lawns.
Speaker 9 (38:14):
One hundred dollars parking out there, you know, one.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Hundred dollars to park on the lawn.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Yeah, come chill on the crib. I mean, that's what
they do for a game day though, isn't it pretty much? Yeah,
that's the way they have it set up for game
day park right there on the lawn. You can watch
the game if you could see it too the stadium.
You can watch the game from front of the people's cribs.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
You know what Lee told me the best part about
Green Bay's O'Hare airport. And I don't know what that
was supposed to mean, but he said that, Lee, you
have you have every right to go after Jonas right now.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I want you to know that. Go after and go
after him. He loves the Bears. Take him down. This
is your moment.
Speaker 9 (38:52):
Told me that I don't have to tell you, Hey, hey,
backers showed out.
Speaker 12 (38:57):
I think the Lion screwed up by trying to light
a fuel, you know, light a fire under room, saying
that they weren't gonna show up.
Speaker 9 (39:04):
I think they had two hundred seventy five thousand attendants.
Speaker 12 (39:06):
I thought it was an awesome scene, and of course
the Bear still sucks. So I thought Green Bay came
out looking the best out of the NFC North last night.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Now, did they change the name of lambeau Field to
Cairo Santos Stadium based on how that game finished the
last time they played?
Speaker 12 (39:22):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Are they still efforting that or what?
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, maybe people listening in Wisconsin have some answers.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yeah, not falling for that one. Good there, buddy.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Well what else, guys?
Speaker 12 (39:35):
In case you missed it, Kobe Bryant's debut jersey sold
for a record seven million dollars yesterday.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (39:41):
Yeah, LaVar, you LaVar, You have stuff like this I do.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
You could be making money, I could, I guess. Yeah, well,
let me give it to me. Else, slang it, give
it to me. I gotta go back in there see
see what it got, you know, But I do Game Warns.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
It's so weird. I'm sorry. I don't get it. I
don't get any part of it. What what memorabilia? I
love it. I love game warn Yeah, money, that makes
it better.