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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Wednesday edition, We've got some breaking news
in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
We're going to get to.

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It's the George Pickens deal to the Dallas Cowboys, and
we'll discuss all the different angles and aspects to that deal,
which could make for an interesting watch this year in
the Big d We're also going to look back on
the NBA Playoffs from last night. A gag job by
the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Timberwolves go cold, but are you concerned?
Moving forward, We've got the very latest on the slide

(00:33):
of Shador Sanders. We've got our Midweek Awards, and the
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Speaker 4 (01:03):
I can hear you, so I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
I can hear you. Now that's the sound of a
man working on a train gang.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
It is Two Pros and a cup of Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
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o'clock Pacific, and we've got all sorts of fun conversation
to get into. And where do we start the interesting
storyline from Minneapolis last night? Our friends listening on the

(01:48):
Yalla Horn of the Twin Cities watch their team put
together an offensive crapfest.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Yeah they built a brick house.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah it was not ideal. And the Golden State Warriors
get it done? Or should we start with the gag
and a half by the Cleveland Cavaliers at home?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Man? What a gag job?

Speaker 5 (02:09):
Can? I? Can? I ask you guys this? I mean, obviously,
I think it's pretty well known. I grew up a
Cleveland sports fan and there's been a lot of heartbreak
over the forty years that I've been on this planet.
What is this rank? I know it's again its second
round NBA playoff game, but to be up twenty at
points in the third quarter, seven of up seven with

(02:32):
forty eight seconds left. At what point do you throw
this up there with some of the biggest collapses.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
It's I think it's up there with the Michael Jordan
buzzer beater.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
It's it. It is. Yeah, I mean that's a good
one too, O Mesa.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
It's that's as demoralizing a lot as you'll get.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
That's it's like, why why does it happen to Cleveland? Why?

Speaker 5 (02:59):
You know what? I don't know why. All I know
is this is everyone else out there just stop complaining.
You can bitch and moan about your team's lack success
or whatever hardships you've been through. Just shut up. Just stop.
No one knows misery like Cleveland sports fans. Okay, we've

(03:22):
been through it. We've seen it all. I've lived it, Okay,
trust me, like it is. I don't know why, but
for some reason, the Cleveland sports franchises battle through this
bs all the time. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
It really is unbelievable, which is weird because your Ohio
State is good and even that times, Youngstown State is good.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
Like I mean, maul Union probably is the most championships at.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Their level of any But you guys got Cleveland saying
nick Nations, you got Mallard and high School like you used.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
To be good man, he old TANGI uh, Liberty took
it last year where it was a blur Brolin Berlin
may have been at minute last.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Year, But I just don't know why it stops at
pros for y'all.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Are the Lake Erie Monsters still a juggernaut out there
or no?

Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yeah, I don't know, man, I just let's let's just
move on. Let's just move on to the game.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Let's get this one over.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
I mean, you do it. Look, there's two ways of
looking at this. Either you were like, all right, we
got off to a hot start. I think a lot
of people would have been pleased with the game being
as close as it was for a final score with
everyone out that was out before the game. But the
problem was once you saw the first half, like d
Mitch was going off, the team was kind of Jared

(04:40):
Outen was playing well, like the team was kind of
rising up out around him. You're like, all right, we
got this. You know, we dropped the first one. This
is a good team with the best team in the East.
You know, based on the regular season, we played really
well this year, we got this and and then I
don't I mean, like little things like you don't box
out Nie Smith on a free throw or I missed

(05:01):
free throw, and then somehow you can't box out and
get a rebound. You allow Haliburton to essentially just eat
up clock time and get to the top of the
key to take a three to win it. Like I
just I don't even know how to put that in
the context.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
I think it was Greg Anthony who said everything that
Indiana needed to happen happened, happened in the final moments.
Literally everything every bounce went their way, that even the
miss free throw ended up back in how the shot
to win it.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Crowd is just like wait what just so?

Speaker 5 (05:34):
And you're how quiet it was? I mean it was
the I mean, I'll say this, when you're away team
and you go in and you win a game on
the road. I've said this before, Like there is nothing
greater than hearing silence at a stadium. Like I remember
walking out of the Big House when it's just quiet
and you're like, this is awesome. Like there, I mean,

(05:56):
you could there's something about like doing something to make
people cheer. There's also something even more powerful about controlling
the audience and making them silent.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Listen. The storyline coming out of the game one is
the series over. Damn it's over. That's the biggest storyline.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
If they get back to full strength. You're calling it
right now. He just won the series.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
It's they won the series last night because I hit it. Donovan,
Donovan Mitchell the stick pick.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
The Undertaker's back. He's putting people.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Donovan Mitchell is not from this planet. I mean he
played like he was from a different place and a
different time away from here. He was he was so good.
I mean, that's as good an effort. Way he put
up forty eight points. That's as good as singular man

(06:52):
effort as you're gonna get in the game. It was
a megastar effort, and they still managed at home, they
still managed to give it away.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
They still tang Get to me, the fact that Halliburtons
didn't have a low games give it to him.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Bar this league just prepare for this.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
At the end of the game, Way scored what eleven
twelve points at the end of the game, didn't even
like had nineteen points in the game.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Burying bar.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
It was a well played game, but it clearly was
in Cleveland's control for the entire game. The entire game.
They led the entire game. Donovan Mitchell dominated them the
entire game. Cleveland was having a good time in Cleveland.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
The entire game.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
It looked as though Cleveland was cruising to an easy
game two victory. And if you went to if you
stepped away, if you hit the restroom, checked on your kids,
you came back and you realize something weird, something strange,
was happening, And right then and there you realize that

(08:14):
this is Cleveland, and Cleveland served it up on a
platter very nice and very cold, and it was an ale.
And that ale shall serve as the catalyst of the
end of this run, of this season for the Cleveland

(08:38):
Cavaliers and their faithful fans.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
I mean, Marcus down to save this. Cleveland will come
back and win this series. There's there's my bet on this.
But I want you to mark this down and save
it so we could play it back for var Hopefully
it'll get a good sport about it.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
We'll see I'm never a good sport like if I win,
I'm a I'm a horrible sport. If I lose, I'm worse,
so I won't be a good sport.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
That doesn't make it fun. People like humor.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
It is fun. I am self deprecating, though, are you yes?

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (09:15):
And I'm very and I'm very sarcastic. See my sarcasm
doesn't always go across with you guys, but I definitely am.
I generally do not take myself serious.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
It's there.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
I don't know. I do it with everybody. I do
it with everybody.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
I was sarcastic this morning with Trisha and she didn't
take too kind of too. That's why I came into
the studio. I wasn't planning on coming in to day.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
What happened?

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Well, you know, did you get the lead treatment? Just
getting the kids?

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Nah?

Speaker 4 (09:47):
I was already on the couch, and plus our couch
is probably better than our bid, so doesn't matter. I
can't lose. I definitely can't lose wherever it is that
I would end up laying my head. So you're not
like you're putting me in a bad space by saying
get out or anything.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Do you feel like you've ever been in a worse
spot in your relationship than Lee is?

Speaker 4 (10:11):
In most of his no no, because here's the thing, right,
if it ever gets remotely close to how things go
the way Lee does things, I'm out, like I'm out,
and I'll tell you I'm done, but you've never reached it,
and I don't care if it's like I've told my

(10:31):
wife before, like you want to go there, like we're done.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
You never reached in to brush your teeth, and you
see hers as filed down to a shive, you know what.
I've seeing that before.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
If I saw that, then I would know that there
are plans and I would plan accordingly. But again, I'm
not the passive aggressive type like California and j'a are
very passive aggressive. Y'all don't know how. I don't like conflict,
but I don't shy you away from it. Like if
you bring conflict my way, I'm going to address it.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
So like if you're if you're going to the bucket
like you're you're kind of get a little extra contact
as you put up the layup. That is what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
I'll take it, man, I'll take the extra contact. I'll
expect the extra contact. But like Jonas will dip away
from kind of he fades. Don't you know, get into it.
Lebron has been living in l a way too long
because his flops have totally taken on and embraced the

(11:31):
personality of how California.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Are we just gonna ignore what the hell happened? What
was that? Did you sneeze into the mic?

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Definitely was a.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
But why would you do into the mic?

Speaker 4 (11:45):
I don't think he realized his mic was on, or
maybe he's lit up.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
He may.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
He might be tired though, because he's doing double ships.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, he's doing double dude.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Are you doing double ships the whole weekly? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah, I'm good for you.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Just finished up with Ben?

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, good choke.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
You working hard?

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Why didn't you give me this? I give because every
day year and a half.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
Question Lorena almost Larredo, You're never questioned. It's a little
more questionable.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Dang, Lorena, I'm gonna be more questionable.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Congrats, congrats Lorena. Don't be more questionable.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
Yeah, don't don't do that.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
We were on your we were on your social story yesterday.
Don't be any more questionable than what you were yesterday.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
How about that?

Speaker 4 (12:30):
You wait, what, keep it calm, keep it cool? I
mean she she well, she pushed them over. She pushed
them over to if if if Lorena's post yesterday, that
was the equivalent of the last the last part of
the game for Haliburton, like she showed up at the
end of the game and delivered the goods.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
By the way and won the game, by the way.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
How about Haliburton hitting the shot and then giving the
symbol for UH for brass balls right afterwards? Ian a
little UH, which, by the way, I think the first
time I would said describe it for listening. You basically
take your two hands and it's like you're carrying a
bowling beads too heavy.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
But you know what the reference is to, right, Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:13):
It's Major league too, isn't it Usual League? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah, there, y'all watch an American werewolf in London. What
what is this but the top or bottom? So the
So you got problems early on three fourteen? Huh, you
can't handle it at three fourteen?

Speaker 5 (13:36):
His head's always in the gutter, husband, This dude's.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Problems are so real, man.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
All right, So should we listen to UH speaking of.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
I got problems? Anonymous? That's that's what you.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Keep talking about.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
What you want to talk about?

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Chris Finch, the head coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Everybody's going to try to turn this into a thing. Huh.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, he he did talk about the struggles of Anthony
Edwards and then was asked whether or not he needs
to have a talk with ant Man afterwards.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Let's take a listen. Starts with Anthony.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
You know he I thought he's was, uh, you know,
an he struggled early and then you could just kind
of see the light go out a little bit for
a while, and then uh, you know, obviously we had
to try to get him going in the second half,
but I think, you know, it was one of those
games where he kind of came out for the predetermined
mindset what he was trying to do, and just rather
than just playing the game that was in front of him,

(14:34):
what is there to talk about?

Speaker 5 (14:35):
I mean, you're the they're they're.

Speaker 6 (14:36):
The leader of the team, and you got to come
out and set the tone, you know, in all ways
that that happens, and if it's if your SHOT's not
going like you you still have to carry the energy,
you know. So I don't think there's if I got
to talk to guys about having the right energy coming
into opening around game opening the second round game, and

(14:58):
you know we're not you know, we're not on the
same page.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
So normally I would say, I wonder how that's gonna
land with insert any NBA player, Anthony Edwards is not
the one I'm worried about.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Do y'all have the soundo Anthony Edwards?

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, I mean, but it's he took.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
He said it starts with me, I'll play better, and.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
He seems like the type of guy where he's like, yeah,
he's right, I gotta be better.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
The whole team played poorly yesterday and knowing Chris Finch,
Chris Finch wouldn't say that outwardly, that is something that
he wouldn't say to Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
You know, he's the type of coach that he'll speak
speak directly to his players and he'll know what players
can handle that too. You know, there's there's been players
that have come through there in the past that I
know he didn't feel I could handle that sort of thing,
But Anthony Edwards can't. And that's why he's in the
position that he is. That's why he's so meaningful to them.

(15:52):
And the truth of the matter is, if I look
at the adjustments that Golden State made playing more than own,
essentially begging Minnesota to kind of break down their zone
with shooting. Then they couldn't hit a shot last night.
You know that ultimately, I think is gonna be the
demise for Minnesota. We kind of talked about, like what
makes Golden State so dangerous. It's a team that's built

(16:16):
on three point shooting. And even though Draymond struggled in
the past, he pitched in last night, Buddy Heield was
back doing Buddy Heald's things. You know, Jimmy Butler all
around played prayed pretty well in Steph's absence. But that
team collectively, I think they played a what twelve players.
You know, Golden State is built to be able to
hit shots from the outside, force other teams to play
that same game against them, and they know they're better

(16:38):
than most at that and or they're gonna win more
often than not. And that's what it came down to.
Like you can talk about energy or whatever else you
want out of Anthony Edwards that series, it doesn't matter
if that energy, Like, you're not gonna win if you
cannot shoot well enough or to keep pace with the
Golden State Warriors.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
It was the rebounds, and it was the threes. They
hit eight teen threes to the Timberwolves five, And that's
just that's crazy. Eighteen threes to five. You definitely and.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Sheer run of the mill, thirty nine point difference.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
And they well, they were at they were at like
forty percent forty something percent, forty eight forty seven something
like that. Well, the Warriors weren't the but the Timberwolves
they were bad.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
They were something. They was crazy.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
They something for twenty two, like six to twenty two
something crazy, but or five obviously five or for something. Anyway,
I think the biggest thing coming out, the biggest storyline
coming out of that game is obviously one hundred percent
Steph Curry's health. What's his health moving forward? If you
do not have Steph Curry moving forward, it's just like

(17:50):
it's just like saying that if they don't have Jimmy Butler,
if you don't have those two dudes in the game,
this team stands the chance of not being as good.
Like Hill is building a name for himself. He's playing
very well and he has no problems chucking up that three.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Did he wear the wrong shorts? I think they had
to stop the game because Buddy Heal came out in
the wrong shorts.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I didn't notice. It can change. I don't know how.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, And Jimmy Butler said afterwards, he said, yeah, we
need Steph. He's our best player and it's a lot
more difficult to play without him. And if this this
is a hamstring strain they're calling it, I don't know
how that.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
It doesn't get soft tissue injuries. That doesn't get better quickly,
It just doesn't. You got to try to manage it.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
That's why I'm not worried about Minnesota in the series.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
They played as poorly as you can play, like, that's
the thing about it. And it's Game one. They played
as poorly as they can play, and I just don't
see them staying staying at that level of execution. Anthony
Edwards said it, and I think I think Randall and
Edwards capture the essence of what what happened in yesterday's game.

(19:09):
And the coach said it as much as well, which
is interesting because the media tried to twist it up
and make it a divisive play, saying that, oh, coach
said that you didn't come out and set the tone.
Anthony and that's kind of not what he said. He
said we rely on him, and we depend on him.
But Anthony Edwards really handled it very well. I mean,

(19:30):
he Steve took responsibility for it, said they you know,
he got to his places where he wanted to get
to on the court, he got the looks that he
wanted to get. He just wasn't finishing and they had
a poor shooting game the game before. They've been able
to overcome it. I think the Timberwolves will. They will

(19:50):
bounce back. They're not going to have that love of
offensive output again. Like I would be willing to say,
they're not going to have that type of output any
more games. I'm not going to be that low.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
The only thing I would be cautious to go there
on is that this is now two games in a
row for them, because when they finished off the Lakers,
they didn't shoot well that game either, correct, this is
now translated into another game, and so I don't know
if it's a slump or if it's just a Listen,
they got a little bit too.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
They got to playoffs yet, but I mean, you know,
it sounds like that's what they were trying to put
out there, is like, oh, it's is it in your
guys's heads? Like, is it in your head that you're
gonna miss it? Is it like it's a mental like
they kept coming at them. I don't think that. I
don't think they stay there though, I really don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I don't either.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
They played really good defense. They play really good defense.
They just needed to rebound better and make their shots.
If they've rebound better, they make their shots, it's probably
a different game. So we'll have to wait and see.
I think that that is right now. Out of the
two games we watch yesterday, that the two series. If

(21:01):
we're comparing those two series, I mean, we got some
interesting series obviously and in some more games, but those two,
I mean, that is clearly the most anticipated game. Like
watching that game take place, I don't know where that
goes if Steph Curry continues to be injured though, that's
that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
It was nice seeing Pat Spencer get some burn time,
as Brady calls it, you know, up top, Brady Big.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
That's up top.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
That's your your your prototym, prototypical.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
We got him in there, nice prototypical.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
What white guy okay t shirt underneath white tape on
the on the rist just nice.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Oh yeah, nice. Good to see him get a little
run there. Call him the pistol. Huh, not that much.
It is two Pros and a Cup of Joe.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
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(22:08):
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Speaker 2 (22:25):
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Speaker 4 (22:32):
Super dope song by the way, um dope song.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
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Speaker 2 (22:47):
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Speaker 4 (22:53):
I mean, seke it off man.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
There's no way that this is a real story, but
apparently it is.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
There's a man identified as John Doe's. He's identified himself
as a Colorado fan. Apparently he's suing the NFL for
one hundred million dollars for emotional distress and trauma because
of the Shador Sanders slide in the draft. He also
claimed the rumors circulating around the Buffalo's quarterback before the

(23:22):
draft quote contributed to a narrative that has unjustly harmed
his reputation and potential as a player.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Well, why would he bout a lawsuit for him, like.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
Because he's experienced emotional distress? This is the equivalent of
the prank calls that Shador received other players received. This
has no legal viability. There's no way he's going to
be able to prove this these allegations in a court
of law to the tune of one hundred million dollars.

(23:54):
So this seems to be more of a prank than
it is legitimate. Then by not putting his name money,
clearly you kind of know the direction this is.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Going what a loser? I mean, just a complete loser?
And what does it cost?

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I saw some numbers like anywhere between thirty to one
hundred dollars to file a claim or something like that.
If you wanted to do something like don't you have?
Isn't there something else you could buy for thirty dollars?
You could go to Prestige Liquor with Lee Lee for
thirty bucks.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Wow, that's a ton of money.

Speaker 7 (24:30):
Yeah, that's endless money. I never spent thirty dollars.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
That's endless money.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
That's endless too.

Speaker 7 (24:38):
Although I'll probably spend that a few times um. For
thirty you could get a handle of some really cheap
stuff followed by followed by a forty followed by a
beat bucks, followed by a pack of cigarettes if you
wanted that.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
So all that for thirty dollars? Yeah about that?

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Now?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Now, what cheap stuff are you talking about? What handle
of cheap stuff are you talking?

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (24:58):
The cheap vodka that they have right at the at
the entrance usually has big sales sign on it. You
can get a handle for ten bucks. Pop off a handle,
it's twist off a vodka. Okay, I don't know if
I don't know if you want to go that hard.
But pop off vodka, Oh, pop off vodka? Yeah, like
uv yeah, you know, it does make me kind of
think though. There was a lot of.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Damaging, damaging things that were reportedly said by internal internal people.
It's just I mean, obviously, if Shador Sanders were to
file a lawsuit, it would be the death of his career.
But man, there was a lot of damaging things that

(25:46):
have been said about him, and the narrative did catch on. Now,
this is ridiculous for somebody else to do it, But man,
I mean, was his was his reputation damaged so badly
that it led to his slide? I mean, what else
would it? What else would justify the slide?

Speaker 5 (26:07):
You'd have to argue, though, was it artificial forces on
the outside doing it or was he doing it to himself?

Speaker 4 (26:15):
I get that, I get that that would be what
he would have to prove. He would have to prove
that it was coming out.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
Even that he'd have to prove anything. I mean, there's,
first off, there's like the viability of being able to say, like,
can you gather enough information to say the league colluded
against him to have him drop in the draft? And
then the turnaround would be, well, we have X, Y,
and Z examples of the exact same test that was

(26:41):
handed to every other quarterback in this draft, and this
is the evaluation of him versus every other quarterback. And
then you could go on and say, what's one team?
What'd the other teams look like? Oh, our team did
one too. We actually taped the interview. We taped all
our interviews to the quarterbacks he brought in. Here's how
it looked. You tell us, does it look different than

(27:03):
the others? Yeah? And so what I'm saying is if
there was evidence from every one of these teams or
potential employers that he really didn't give the interviews as
much effort, as much attention and care as he should have,
then they just turn around and go it kind of

(27:23):
seems like it's on him, not on the teams. See,
it's not like he didn't get drafted. He got drafted,
he just didn't get drafted as high as everyone speculated
he get drafted.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Like, isn't there like hippo laws or something like that
that applying these type of interviews, Like you just can't
disclose those.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
I know, I'm being an a hole.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
See that's their sarcasm that that maybe you didn't take
I mean, I get it, that's medical. But I'm just saying,
do you have to disclose that publicly? Like, oh, he
came in, he had headphone, he had earbuds on. Oh,
at one point he was on FaceTime. Like, if you're
giving that type of information to reporters to report, you

(28:04):
are giving damning information that damages his reputation, his name,
his image, and his likeness. I'm sure, but I think
the other I.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
Bet you are.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
I want my hundred million other way, Yeah, you want
represent with I give you up.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
Come on, uptip, Let's play the other Let's play the
other side of this.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
The guy came in, had a great interview, great workout.
Does that draw much headlines? Like are people going to
click on that?

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (28:36):
Jalen Milroe had an awesome interview and like.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
His stock is Skyrock, stock is Skyrock.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
He had a great interview and a great workout. No,
no one clicks on that, No, you know, like like yeah, Like,
by the way, Jaylen Milroe had a really good rookie
minicamp according to all reports. Talk about it once? We
do you talk about it once? So meanwhile, you know,
you're looking at Sam Darnld's a starting quarterback. I don't know,
maybe Jayalen Miller pushed him this offseason. We haven't talked

(29:04):
about it once. That happened like a week ago. I
look at it and say that it's also a part
of the media where we know if we spend these
negative stories, it gets more traction and we have to
talk about it. So and it is the Sanders, which
that Brandon name. It has more to do with it,
but the fact, I mean, look, the guy whoever filed this,

(29:27):
John Doe, he's winning because we're talking about it, true,
and this thing is not going to go any further
than just him filing this lawsuit as a John Doe.
That's the extent of what he's done. And he's laughing
a mile high somewhere going yep, talking about it.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
I may mainstream media, Hey, can I ask you you
guys this like and this is an honest question. I
kind of alluded to it yesterday. Does Dion excuse me?
Does does Shador Sanders? And this is I'm being one
hundred percent real here. I'm not trying to like create anything.
I'm just being one hundred percent real and looking at

(30:07):
these situations and going over what we talked about with
Pete yesterday, and I was like, man, like Ken Shador Sanders,
will Chador Sanders? Is it likely Chador Sanders makes the
roster for the Brown so that the same thing like
he might not make the roster.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
Well, even if he didn't make the roster, he gets
to make the practice squad and get paid the same amount,
So there's that for him. I think it's gonna be
interesting to see if Kenny Pickett hangs around or if
he wants to hang around, because here's the situation he's in.
He's on his third team in four years. He's started,

(30:50):
some played, some had his moments, but he's trying to
solidify himself as a starter. If he loses out on
the job to start to Joe Flacco, which Pete PRIs
I said, that's who he thinks is going to start
the season, why would he want to hang around? Wouldn't
he look at the team and go just go ahead
and release me. You've already drafted two young guys. Why

(31:11):
am I going to be competing with them to get reps?
So I gotta do there's a greater livelihood that Pickett
would end up being the odd man out or wanting
to be the odd man out instead of having it
be one of the younger guys since they just spent
a draft pick on them, even though they just too.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
There has to be two that are odd men out
Deshaun Watson unless they what are they going to do?
How do they designate? So you designate him as an
ir Okay?

Speaker 2 (31:45):
All right?

Speaker 4 (31:45):
I mean because if you're if you're looking at Deshaun
Watson as a possible mid season return, and he's on
your roster, as a quarterback on your roster, then you
would have to assume that there's the potential that you're
going to get rid of two of those four quarterbacks
that are on the roster.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
So let me throw this out to you. Joe Flacco
was in Indianapolis last year. Why do you think that.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Was because they needed a quarterback?

Speaker 5 (32:17):
Okay? But where was the other year before that?

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Cleveland?

Speaker 5 (32:20):
And how do you play? Well, why didn't Cleveland sign
him back then?

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Because of Deshaun Watson? Perceivably?

Speaker 5 (32:28):
So I think the second that they decided to go
with Joe Flacco.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Huge Shawn Watson.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
I don't know about FU, but I think too much
money made, they've made the decision to move on. And honestly,
the contract's not that lucrative for Joe Flacco. It's it's
incentive based. I think it's like four million and then
it can get up to like fourteen if he hits
all his incentives.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
And it's identical to they. I think the report said
it's identical to Kenny Pickett's contract, that like, they have
identical contracts.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
If I'm not, I've looked in the picket. But well no,
because Pickett was traded for he so he's still on
his rookie deal. Okay, so that so it actually makes
him the cheaper option. But but the general point is this,
once they they decided to bring back Joe Flacco, I
think the writing was already on the wall. And then
Jimmy Haslm comes out at the other scene. Yeah, and

(33:16):
I'm not And by the way, I'm not saying that
there's like beef between Joe Flack and Deshaun Watson. I
just think when when Joe Flacco did what he did
in Cleveland, I think there was a thought for a
lot of a lot of Cleveland Browns fans like, we
love this guy, we should have kept him. He should
be our guy. We watched him in Baltimore, Dude, I
played against some trust me like, we watched him there.
You know, he won them a super Bowl. Like, let's

(33:37):
bring Flacco back, especially with how well he played. And
I think there was probably a thought from Deshaun Watson's
camp that they didn't want him to have to have
any competition. Like, if Deshaun Watson's there, he's the guy.
They don't want to have to have to have a
guy sitting behind him who's a fan favorite, who everyone's
rooting for.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
If he gets healthy enough to come back this season,
what do they do? Go cut them Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, at this point, he got.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Kind of the road anyway to cut him regardless if
he comes back, it's not gonna be till December anyways.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
At that point, what what is the point? Dang?

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Okay, So then it is between the four?

Speaker 2 (34:15):
All right?

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Then what do you do with Dylan Gabriel?

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (34:19):
I think I think you have to let Dylan and
chadur fight it out for that last spot.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yeah, but I don't Again, I think what's gonna happen
is if Kenny Pickett doesn't win the starting job. I
think he may try to bounce. I think he may.
He may say to himself, I'd rather go somewhere else
before the season, find myself in a place where. Maybe
it's Minnesota, you know, depending on how they feel about
their situation. Though they just traded for Sam Howe. If
I'm not mistaken, you know, there might be some other situations.

(34:48):
Who knows what happens with cousins. Maybe he stays in
Atlanta as a high priced insurance option to Michael Pennix
and he says, hey, maybe I can go be a
free agent down there, and she go side with them.
I I think there's a lot of thought. Probably maybe
it's the Carolina Panas.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
If it plays out that way, just real quick, If
it plays out that way, and let's just say Flacco
is the starter, you got the two rookies. One's going
to be a backup. One is going to be on
the practice squad. Can the practice squad guys say I
don't want to be on the practice squad? Can Can
a rookie dictate getting out of there the same way.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
If it gets the chance to go sign somewhere else
in the active roster? Yeah, I mean, would you turn
down a practice squad spot with the team and not
get paid and not get developed.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
I'm just curious. I'm just you and I both know
though sometimes ego can get in the way of practicalities
and sensibility. It's practical to think that, yeah, you go
get developed play on the practice squad, which you're really
not getting developed on practice squad. Honestly, you're just servicing
the defense. But you get better because you're going against

(35:57):
the starters. But I'm just saying, if that's Shador Sanders
like Dylan Gabriel, that's not a conversation. But if that's
deonce arch Schador Sanders, is he going to be okay
being on the practice squad.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
That's that's for him to decide. I think what's interesting
about it is this if if Piggot doesn't win the
job and he ends up saying, hey, trade me, cut
me and whatever, and it's just down to those three,
obviously someone's got to be the backup. Chador and Dylan
Gabriel would would fight it out in that scenario. What
I'm saying, though, which is interesting, is what if Cleveland
has a terrible season and they end up having one

(36:31):
of the top picks next year. What they did this
year at the quarterback position does not negate their ability
to draft one in the first round high next year.
And if it happens to be arch Manning, there you go,
and then the uh, the irony.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
If they were to get arch.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Manning, then the Mannings will do what they did last
time and just say we're not going to Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah sends, I'll yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
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Speaker 4 (39:08):
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Speaker 2 (39:13):
Guys.

Speaker 9 (39:13):
In case you missed this, Uh, there's gonna be five
new teams that introduced new alternative helmets next season, those
being the Steelers, Chargers, Uh, Brown's, Saints, and Commanders.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
What what can the Browns do? A poopy brown helmet?

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Throw that?

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Come on, do a poopy brown throw that mastiff on
the side.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Of the helmet.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
I thought the white helmets were pretty sweet.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, those are cool, So go brown?

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Why why am I off?

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Oh that was that was a bad idea for you, Jonas,
your anti brown helmet. Jam Okay, Illinois used the brown
helmet like a throwback.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
That was that was like a leather he Yeah, that's
what I mean. That's what they were.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
No, I just want them to go like Times.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
No.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
No, not an old school but I'm just saying, you
saw a team with a brown helmet, I say they
should go brown. The same colors that brown uniform.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
They will Why not?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
But isn't that kind of what they're doing right now?
They got that what you mean, it's like you can
crap your plants.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
No one would know.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah, that's all.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
See, yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of
possibilities there.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
What's the logo? Is that? Like the they don't have
a logo, but there's like a woman, there's like a
is it a woman?

Speaker 7 (40:35):
It's a bunny pushing a shopping cart?

Speaker 4 (40:38):
No way, what are you all talking? I thought that's
where you were going with it.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
No, I'll show.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
You what is it really?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Their mascot is like this this girl the brown Yeah,
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