May 12, 2025 • 41 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys recap all the action form the weekend including the Pacers taking a commanding lead vs the Cavs, the Thunder evening the series and Mother’s Day festivities. Plus, Derek Carr unexpectedly retires but don’t believe he’s all the way done.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Monday edition. Of course, we've got the
usuals We've got in case you missed it. We've also
got our FSRR and Lee's leftovers. We've also got the
NFL season opener for twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Five, live on the air.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
When the news broke, it'll be Cowboys Eagles. But is
that the best they could do? We'll discuss. We're also
going to look back on the NBA playoff action, especially
from Sunday, a tale of two games and for some reason,
one was featured late and had no business being there.
We're also going to talk about the latest on the
Shadoor Sanders rookie mini camp update. Apparently that's the story
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in the NFL. Derek Carr's retiring, But why all of that?
And more coming up next here, Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe on a Monday, Fox Sports Radio.
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post Mother's Day edition of the program and we are
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now back.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yeah, and live Happy Mother's Day, by the way, Happy
belated Mother's Days all the moms out there. Yeah, they
give a chance to Really, I don't think Friday do
we even talk about that?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Uh? Not really not really.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
We should have should have happy blooded Mother's Day though.
And also one real quick note, thank you to all
the men out there in their wives to help make
that day possible.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Yeah. There.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
We can't just have one day, can we, Brady?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
I mean you could turn around us on Father's Day.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Yeah, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Well, because every holiday is for y'all. I mean, this
is what it is. Well that came across the tab.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's selfish right now. I'm just saying anyway, we not me.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
That'shil on this show, and uh, we are not all
Cleveland Cavalier fans. Brady Quinn is, that.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
Was a rough one last night.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Boy, what was it?
Speaker 6 (02:56):
I wish we aided uh Brady quinn last damn man.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
Oh, it's okay, it's three women. Still got time, still
got time.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
That was a game, though, where there's the appin to
be of like an NBA game nowadays, where when it's
not even close, just go in and wave the right flag.
But I stopped the game at halftime. There's no need
to play another half of basketball. I mean, even though
I guess you could say Cleveland cut the depth cit
to half of what it was at half. I just
I've never seen a team get annihilated like that out
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of the gate and shoot soap. There were twenty five
percent from the field. Twenty five percent. I'm just to
put in perspective. Indiana was shooting sixty seven percent from three,
like they couldn't miss. Cleveland couldn't get a bucket. It
was over absolute laid an egg. And I again, I
do go back to I feel like early in the
series series, at times, you know you'll see some teams
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just kind.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Of come out flat.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I don't know if that's the way to describe it,
but they weren't ready for the moment.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
That was one of the worst performances they've.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Had year now.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
I was bad, and losing Donovan Mitchell to warm up
second half doesn't help your cause. And I don't know
how long he's going to be out for, but that
definitely doesn't bote well to what I already you know,
boldly predicted it was over anyway after that demoralizing loss
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that they had the other night. But this one, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Was this a.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
White flag waved game before the game even got going?
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Was it you get injured when you get injured in
warm ups before the second half, Like that's that's just Cleveland.
Like nowhere else but Cleveland does that sort of thing
happen where your best player, arguably your best player, gets
injured in warm ups heading in the second half. Not
saying there's much of a shot given the score differential,
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but still that's such a Cleveland thing to happen.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
I mean, this one could have been more demoralizing just
in terms of the way they were dominated in the
game by the Pacers, But I feel like I don't
know that they come out with a little bit of fight.
Didn't look like It just looked like they were out
of sync. It looked like it like, as you mentioned,
they had poor shots selections.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I mean, this.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Whole, this whole three point phenomenon. If that's what people
want to call it, I may call it like a
three point ademic type of deal, because I mean, at
some point, you do have to play basketball, and you
may get tired running up and down the court and
stuff like that, and you're chucking up threes all the time,
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and where's the basketball anymore? Like every once in a
while you see guys slash to the hole and make
layups or make mid range jump shots. It's like that
is such a such a relief for me to see
betsketball players go to the rim or actually dunk the
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ball at times. I don't know, man, it's like live
out of three, die out of three. And none of
the teams shot well yesterday, by the way, I mean
the thunder Nuggets game.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
They didn't shoot well either.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
They you know, the Nuggets missed critical free throws down
the stretch of the game. I mean, I don't know, man.
The three pointer is like, Okay, it's exciting to see
people shoot it up and it go in and stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Like that.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
But when you're not making threes, play basketball, man, you know,
picking rolls, you know, go to the rack, you know,
I mean, just go figure. You know, every point doesn't
have to be from beyond the three point lane.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I will give Kenny Atkinson credit, the Cavaliers head coach
even afterwards, really upbeat, really optimistic. Hey, coach, what's the
deal with Donovan Mitchell's injury?
Speaker 8 (06:58):
Left ankle? Left ankle injury. He'll get an MRI tomorrow,
no idea. I mean, you know, obviously couldn't go in
the second half, So see what the MRI says.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Thanks coach.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Real upbeat, real positive, positive vibes there in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And you know what, can I also say this?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
What do you want them to do?
Speaker 5 (07:23):
The best player gets her in warm ups before the
second half?
Speaker 7 (07:27):
Mind you, they're done forty at half times.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Because my whole thing is at that point, with a
game like that, why should he have to talk?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
What is there to say? They just got annihilated.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
He's got no answers, clearly in that moment, because they
were losing by almost sixty at certain points it seemed
like and he's looking around going, look, man, Garland's banged up.
Now we got Mitchell who's banged up. It feels like
the writing's on the wall. And then you got to
send us out there in those like and those awful unis,
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those awful jerseys they're wearing. It's it's it's terrible and
it's an awful thing that happened to Cleveland last night.
Got exposed and didn't even look good while they were
getting exposed.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Sober Man not willing to give up yet. And we
have seen you don't have to give up. We've seen
a comeback from three to one.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You could go out kicking and screaming, or you could
go out.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
With your head.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
But Jo'll going home. It might be this next game,
it might.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Be that we took the lebron James, but we've seen
it before.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
That true, that's not that's not going to happen in
this situation. Kidding, it's never going to happen.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Lorena. Here's my pick. The Cleveland Cavaliers are through.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Sticks picks.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
There you go, They're done. Now here's the one that
I'm not certain enough. I can't get a real legit
read on the thunder Nuggets series.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I can't get it. I'm the same way I can't.
I don't.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
It's like one game, it's like, Yep, it's gonna be Denver,
it's gonna be the the experience. It's gonna be them boom.
Then the next game it's like tang the thunder. Look good, Nope,
it's going to be the thunder. Then you go to
the next game, Nope, they ain't gonna be the thunder.
It's gonna be the Nuggets. Like they're at two to
two yesterday, it didn't look like the Nuggets had enough
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gas in the tank. They didn't, you know, obviously Jokic
does what is it?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Jokic? Why do I always mess up these guys's name?
It's it's what is it? Nicole Nicola? Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Yeah, I mean some people.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Nick Nicholas, you want to I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
I don't know why I always mix him up with uh,
with the player for the Lakers, if.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
You want to just call white guy.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
They're both white guys though, That's why I'm probably clearly
mixing them up. Anyway. Nicola had his points, he had
his game, But I mean, do we feel as though
it was impressive? Like, is there is there a point
where you look at a stat line total in the
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production and you say, well, the production of it on
paper looks good, but it really didn't really didn't play
into them really.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Winning the game.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Like, I don't know, I feel like for all the
points that he got, twenty seven points is a lot
of points, but I feel like Hartenstein and and the
other the other tall dude. What's the other tall dude's name?
Why am I blanking on his name? Yeah, home Grid.
I think they're doing I think they're doing as good
a job on on On Jokic.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
As he is a tall guy razor hands and hey, hey,
and he.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Happened home Grinn happens to be a white dude too. Anyway,
I think they're doing a good job on on uh
on Jokic, I really do. And I think that that's
actually the difference outside of them missing their their free
throws down down the stretch run. I think that that
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has been the difference for OKC outside of all of
the you know, the obvious things that that they've done offensively.
But I think that's been the difference, is them doubling
up on Jokic and them not. I just don't feel
like they had enough gas in the tank last night
to be able to win that game.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Denver's coach David adaman Uh he was talking afterwards because
he was asked about potentially fatigue having an impact on
that game last night, and had this to say.
Speaker 9 (11:54):
I'm not gonna say that, you know, I don't want
to say that. I will say that, I think both
teams are very tired coming off an unbelievably physical overtime
battle on a late Friday night. So if I if
it affected us, it sure surely affected them as well.
I mean, both of us had super tired legs. So
it was about who's going to make that final run.
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And we got up eight. I thought we were making
the push, and to their credit, you know, they were
the ones to make the final run. And we made
mistakes late. We can call them mental mistakes, physical, whatever
it was. We didn't play well enough the last six
minutes to win a playoff game.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
A game in Denver.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
They should have the advantage right down the stretch with
the altitude and all that.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Sure didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But like people are like, well, you know what about
the schedule, dude, You're not playing back to back days.
It's every other day, and as it should be. Like
so the regular season, there was the issue at the schedule,
and now people are trying to bring up, well, maybe
we got a space he's out. I like the fact
that we're going one day off and then you play
a game just continues.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I understand though, the point because it doesn't feel like
they really got that day off. Especially when you play
a late game that Friday night and then you're hit
with an early game Sunday. It doesn't really feel like
you get that off day to day the day prior,
and you know, everything kind of jumps you a little
bit quicker. If it was a night game, that'd be
one thing, but it wasn't. I mean, that does make
a big difference. You know, there's teams in the NFL
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that play that late game on Sunday. I have to
turn right back around and play Thursday. And that's a
tough challenge, you know, and so you just you don't
get into your normal rhythm of recovery and all that.
And during the regular season it's different because you got
to play eighty two games, so you have to get
them all in. This is it's for it all a
sudden dest scenario that like, I don't think you really
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needed to play that game as early as you did yesterday. Like,
I've actually been a little bit baffled with some of
the TV scheduling this particular time of year. And I'm
not sure why I didn't notice this earlier. But like,
are people watching during Mother's Day NBA games? Like if
you went out to a nice brunch or a lunch
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celebrating your mom or celebrating that woman in your life,
were you Did you have the NBA on while you
were doing that?
Speaker 7 (14:07):
My guess is probably not.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I was.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
I hope not.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
I was watching, but it's my job. I don't know
that I would have been watching if it was wasn't
my job to watch it. Run your point, But.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
I'm talking about not like us, But I'm talking I'm
more like the masses of people.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
I think it makes it even more damning that it's
my job and I didn't even want to watch it,
you know.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I mean, I'm just saying.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Oh, I'm not saying that people don't don't want to
watch it. I'm just saying, for whatever reason, putting that
game on when they did, I mean, that's going to
give you the biggest ratings at that point in time
in the day. Did I miss like where whatever else
like they could have scheduled last night. I mean, I
know they're trying to juggle it between like hockey and
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basketball and everything else.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
I just I don't know. I was really disappointed with what.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
They scheduled stuff.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
It was a pretty decent gap in between the game,
don't you think, Like what was it like an hour
or two before between?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, it was an eight Eastern time tip for Cleveland Indiana.
I look, you know, no offense to uh to Cleveland Indiana,
but I would rather have seen the other game in
prime time. I'd rather have seen that play out and
we could kind of, you know, get the blow out
out of the way and then have something to look
forward to later on at night.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
So let's sitting the obvious after the fact. But are
you saying in general you'd rather see those two teams?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I think it's a better matchup. Okay, Cleveland's just banged up. Man,
It's not the same team. Like, it's not that that
team was the best team in the East by a mile,
and it is not the same team. They're limping to
the finish line and and now with Mitchell out and
the fact they're going to have to give an MRI
and I think you know true.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
I mean they had guys back.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
He's got he's got this toe issue. Garland does that.
Apparently he's just not the same player like the other
night he went down like just like his own.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't know if his toes like coming off his
body or what. But he's got this issue that's happening.
That's what they call it.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
That's disgusting, I will say. And back to some game
that that really mattered in the series. That matters because
that that Cleveland one is over, that's under Nuggets game.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I think it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
As you didn't grow up with a basketball team in Pittsburgh,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You know, no animosity, y'all just stink right now.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
For you to win it? Who was not having a
team at all? Who is our basketball the Bulls?
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Who is your basketball?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Bull Give me a break. You can't be a Bulls fan?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Why can't I be a Bulls fan?
Speaker 7 (16:43):
There's nobody because they're not in your state. At least
you have the seventy six ers in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I get to choose what team I want to cheer for.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Yeah, when you don't have a team present, when you
don't have a team in your life.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
You gets You're right, you get the Pittsburgh still choose
the Burgh Molers, the Pittsburgh Spirit our soccer team, the
Pittsburgh Penguins, anything the Pirates, all Pittsburgh teams, or my
team's growing up NBA.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
He did not have it.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
I'm not Why would I. We don't even like the
eastern side of the state. I didn't even like the
eastern side of the state until I went to penn State. Like,
we don't claim Philadelphia that you know how that'd be?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Like, I know, it's a great question. Like people from Cincinnati,
you don't have a basketball team? Do you root for
the Calves?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
I don't know the dynamic of Ohio, I will say,
and that's even understand.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
But Pennsylvania is divided by east and west, north and south.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
There you go. It's not that different. It's the exact same.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
It's just what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh we are. We are day and
night different. That's day Cincinnati people will tell you too,
So you think they do? You think they chair for Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I never actually posed the question ever before my life
to think about that.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
So I don't think they do.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I think ye.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
I would never choose growing up, I would have never
chosen a Philadelphia team, not the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
In fact, I wanted.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
To beat the Eagles every time we played them the worst,
in the worst way. Wanted to beat the freaking Phillies
in the worst way, wanted to beat the Flyers in
the worst way, because we claim to be the winning
side of the state. Now they've gotten a super Bowl
since in more recent times they've been good in baseball,
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and more recent times they've been decent, better than the Pirates.
They they've been good and and pretty like decent in basketball.
Killing yeah right, yeah, but we don't have a basketball team,
so it doesn't matter that that they are good in basketball,
but we would ever I would never claim a Philly
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team growing up in Pittsburgh. I would never That would
never happen. Anyway, Back to the original point, I was
a Bulls fan because well, they were always on. They
were always on, The Lakers were always on, and the
Celtics were always on. When I was growing up, and
clearly I was. I was a big time It was
a big time Michael Jordan fan. I mean, go figure,
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sorry and everything back.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Jonas just picked all front runners. That's why he likes Celtics. Yeah,
I mean Pittsburgh the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Like, come on, dude, like.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
The Bears just all in, then what do you want
me to do? Just just ball wash the entire state
of California.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Some of us are real fans. Some of us like
follow a team despite them winning. Like, some of us
are real fans about it, even with the heart break.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Still where you live, bro, you are supposed to support
the team where you live. I don't live in Cleveland,
right see, But if you don't, if you don't live there,
then if you don't, I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Have a team where you reside.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
You get to choose.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
That's just how you were.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
That's close enough for it.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
It's like it's not well, I don't know again, if
I lived in Central Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
That's different.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
I can choose where I grew up. Okay, Central Okay,
Then that you can go either way. If you're on
the side, you gotta choose a side, like you can't.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
You can't be in Pittsburgh cheering for Philly teams. You
can't do it.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I grew up that's blasphemous. I grew up with Celtics fans.
My dad was a Celtics fan. They were the only
team he lists he could listen to on the radio,
and so that's why he rooted for that. Not that.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I'm this you could only listen to it at radio.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I'm saying my dad, not me, my dad growing up, but.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
I'm when he would drive his Model Tea sitting around
the road the radio listening to the game, like there's
some old type stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So so, as I was saying before I was interrupted again,
so I was.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
I was also there was I was a Cubs fan
because my dad.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Grew up in Illinois. We had family out there. You
could be a White Sox fan or a Cubs fan.
They chose the Cubs, and the Bears came along with it,
and then the Penguin.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
The Cowboys because that's from That's where Wytarp is from, right,
and he fought the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I'll be honest, the Cowboys. The Penguins fandom. I just
kind of started getting into hockey and I liked the
logo and I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. But
nobody was really a big hockey fan of my family,
and they.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Liked the original Penguin, like the older one.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
No no, no, no, the early newer one, like early nineties,
like ninety three ish. It was right after their Stanley Cubs.
Go figure all right, now, I have to tell you this.
This is just like I opened up the sports menu
and was like, you know what, I don't have to
eat off that page. I'll go, I'll go look around
a little bit. I don't have to pick local California teams.
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So I chose differently. You know, we do what we do.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I'm not judging you, but I'm just saying you should
choose where you're from and if you're not, if you
don't have one where you're from, then you get to
choose who you want. Like that's I feel like that's fair.
That's a fair deal. I didn't grow up with a
basketball team. I mean, I mean I had to cheer
for somebody.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Like you know, the people that got a real ruff for,
like people in Buffalo. Like there's probably people in Buffalo
that are Blue Jays fans, Like there's probably people in Buffalo.
You're so close to the board.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
They don't have a basketball team either, Do they do
they claim the Grizzlies? Do they do they claim the Raptors?
They like do they go. So you got to cross
the border. You got across the border to go cheer
for your home team, like you.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
Gotta pay the terriff.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
That's how committed I am.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
All right, just saying there's something to it.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
It is a Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
here on Fox Sports Radio, far Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas
Knox with you here. All right, so coming up, but
we are going to have the usuals. We've got a
nether edition of Lee's Leftovers to close up shop. We've
also got our FSR IR. We've also got in case
you missed it, all of it is yours here on
this three hour extravaganza up next, though, somebody made a
move over the weekend in the NFL, and it's a
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little curious. The decision is a little curious. We will
get into that for you here on FSR.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
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Speaker 2 (23:46):
Bang Bang Bang.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Isn't this the North Hills High walkout song.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
No, Jonas, it's not, but I wouldn't be mad at it.
I mean, we was most likely gonna whoop somebody's ass. Anyway,
I'm here.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Hey, That is not the point. That is not the point.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas
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from now Never too early to hand out an award
here on this show. That'll happen here for you again
fifteen minutes from now here on FSR. There was a
big story out of the NFL that came out on
Saturday that Derek Carr, after eleven seasons in the league,
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is retiring. The Saints quarterback, deciding to walk away at
thirty four years old, obviously dealing with the shoulder issue
that popped up recently that he suffered in a Week
fourteen game allegedly against the Giants. So his now former
head coach Kellen Moore spoke about Derek Carr's decision the process.
Speaker 10 (25:00):
First of all, you respect and appreciate so much that
Derek's done in this league and for the way he's
done it. The the on the field performance, the off
the field person that he's showcased, and the impact he's
had on so many people in this in this profession
is really really special and so certainly, you know, coming here,
I've always had so much respect and appreciation for him,
and you know, as we've gone through this process, obviously
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this is this is how it kind of ultimately was settled.
It was really good communication through the whole process as
far as navigating this again, you know, challenging circumstances with
him being injured at the end of the year and
then just kind of navigating things throughout the whole off
season process.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So there's Kellen Moore discussing the decision of Derek Carr
to retire and the process thereon.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
New WoT he's thirty four years old. Do you guys
think he's done.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
No, I think he was done with New Orleans. That's
what I think.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
I think it sounds kind of fair all things considered,
and I think they probably when you're looking at the team,
the roster, the transition they're gonna have to make here
next year or two. I don't I don't want to
say it's gonna be a rebuild, but it feels like
this might be a great time to reset and to rebuild.
They can put themselves in position to have the number
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one overall pick next year. It could be arch Manning
falling in his footsteps Archie, which would be quite possibly
one of the coolest, greatest stories ever.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Like the fact that a guy could get.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Drafted number one overall to the same team his grandfather
played for be pretty sick. But I don't want to
get ahead of ourselves. Just having the number one overall pick,
they could be in control of next year's draft, which
would be huge. So not advocating for that, not even
saying that that's like a real thing, because for coaches
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and players, you know, if you have an awful season,
you're Kellen Moore.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
It's on your resume.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Man.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
As a head coach, it's really hard to overcome some
of that stench because they've got to then that next job.
If things don't work out, if you can't turn it around,
they've got to find a way of making a seam
appealing of why they're going to hire you.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
What didn't work out to was well, okay, well what
happened in New Orleans.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
You know that's always going to be the conversation anytime
it doesn't work out. So to sit there and say, well,
this team's gonna tank, and I wouldn't call that. I
think a lot of organizations try to remain competitive, but
you know, shuffle the roster or rebuild the roster in
times when you have a veteran quarterback who is productive,
who decides to retire, he's not not in the picture.
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And it's a combination of rattler j Canner and Tyler Shuck,
which I'm sure there's veteran players on that team who
are not thrilled about what this season looks like. They're
probably not overly optimistic. It's kind of like we talked
about previously. Every you know, all thirty two two walking
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that training camp, they're like, all right, our goals to
win the Super Bowl this year. It's like, all right,
is this team is that really their goal? Like, I
don't think they can win the division, let alone the
super Bowl. So you find yourself in this position now
looking at it, saying it's pretty crazy that Derek Carr healthy.
You viewed them as a more competitive team without him healthy.
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And I'm not saying he's, you know, the best quarterback
in the league, but he definitely provides them a boost.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
But it feels like there's something.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Off there with him and the team, and that this
that he wants to find his way, maybe back somewhere else,
maybe back West, be closer to his family, and finish
his career there, because at thirty four and really is
not that far removed from playing some good football. I
just don't think he's done.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I don't know if he's done or not.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
I think that character wise, he seems like the type
of guy that has that honor system where he wouldn't
leverage retirement to try to clear himself to go to
a different team. I don't know that that would be
the case here, don't I don't know. But what I
will say is when I heard the news, the first
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thing I thought was, I wonder how long the discussions
were taking place between the Saints and car And the
reason why that was relevant to me was to kind
of the point of, well, if they were to not
have a good season, whether you want to call it
tanking or not, if they don't have a good season,
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to inform your team in May that you're going to retire.
I think that there's more leniency towards you know what
that coach's resume would be if they don't do as well.
Being this laid in the game, you had free agency,
if you were going to retire, retire ahead of free agency.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Give the Saints.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
If you're doing this for the good of the team
as well as your health, then give them a fair
opportunity to go into the free agency pool and test
out what they wanted to do. They may have gone
after Aaron Rodgers or whatever, and they still could go
after Aaron Rodgers, but I'm just saying, based upon where
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they were at going into the new league year, if
you were really truly doing this to help help them,
then you make that tough decision a little earlier. I
don't know that you make that tough decision in May,
and that was you know, to me, my biggest question was, well,
how much conversation was taking place between car and the
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Saints in terms of the seriousness and nature of this injury?
Like this is serious. If you're saying it's it's something
that will make me consider retirement and then you ultimately
choose retirement, that's a serious that's a finality. In some cases.
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I don't know if he's going to come back, But
I just don't. I don't know, man. I think that
doing this so late that's what raises red flags to me,
But I don't know. I look at it as that's
when he made his decision, and he gave them money back.
You know, it's not like he stayed on the roster
to collect money.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It's the same offseason that he reportedly asked for a trade,
wasn't happy with where his contract was at, and then
all of a sudden, his shoulder injury pops up, and
it's like it doesn't have to be career ending. He
can go through the surgery and or he can even
rehab it. And they said, well, he could get back
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to about seventy five percent if he does the surgery.
It's like a four to six month timeline. And then
you get this report from you know, Jeff Noak who
covers the Saints, who says that Kellen Moore never met
with Derek Carr in person this offseason like the other people,
the other Tyler Shuck never talked to him. There's a
fracture there, like there's something going on there. It's been
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weird all off season. And I just think that maybe
if he was in a better place or a place
he was happier in with a better contract or something
he felt better at.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
A better contract. He's forfeiting what thirty million dollars is
walking away.
Speaker 7 (32:17):
But he also was to keep his ten million.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Yeah, but he got the spring.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
He also wasn't happy with where he was at because
he had the one year left. So I think if
he was in a situation that that he was happier with,
I think he'd be more open minded.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
You think that he can you guys think that there's
a possibility he could go get a contract of that
that value somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Hold on, if I think if he were in a
situation that he were happier with, he'd be more open
minded to going through the surgery or coming back at
seventy five percent and going through the rehab.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
I just don't think he's happy there.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Before I get the Levar's question, let me ask this.
If the surgery or excuse me, if the injury is
so serious that he needs to retire, wouldn't you think
he's gonna get surgery anyway?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Okay, so I'm saying less.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
It's one of those deals where you can just go
through life and not have to get the surgery, You're
just not going to be able to do the things
that you're doing as a quarterback throwing the ball.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I mean, he could.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Some people really do value trying to not get surgeries,
Like I'm not one of them. If I need surgery,
I'm gonna go get it. But some guys don't. They
don't like it, like they.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Feel like they could die or whatever.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
People have, you know, their their hang ups or their
phobias or whatever.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
So I'm not I don't know. I don't know the
case in that.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
You know, if it if it's a for sure surgery,
you know, procedure situation, I don't, you know, I don't know.
I don't know if that's the conclusion I draw from it.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Right, I guess the way I'm the way I'm looking
at it is is if he gets surgery, takes his
time as he's retired this season, fast forward to third
you know, twenty twenty six, he's thirty five still and
has played some good football. You know, you go back
to the twenty twenty three season, it wasn't like he
had really a bad year. I know there's some Saints
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fans who weren't happy about it, but this is a
league it's in dire need of quarterbacks. He threw for
thirty over thirteen hundred almost thirty nine hundred yards, twenty
five touchdowns, eight interceptions.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
That was in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
They were nine to eight that year, and you go
back through the other years, like he's been pretty consistently healthy.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Maybe there's been a game here or there, but.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
He's also been pretty productive and a good decision maker.
So there will be suitors. There will be I mean,
like Joe flackam I start for the Browns? Think about that.
So when you ask, like, will there be a team
that's gonna pay him?
Speaker 7 (34:44):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (34:45):
I mean Sam Donald off what he wants. Yeah, off
of one season, one season. Sam Donald got a three
or one hundred million dollar contract off one season, fifty
two point five million total guaranteed. Are you telling me
you don't think you can get that for Derek Carr?
Speaker 6 (35:05):
You know where he's at right now. I don't know
to walk away from thirty million, I just don't. I
don't feel like that's for the money. Because if it
was about the money and you're not happy about it,
then you stay and get your money, You get your surgery,
you rehab, you get your money, and then you figure
out what you're going to do from there, like you
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test the market out, whatever it may be, because you're
not going to play for the Saints this year anyway.
I think he's counterproductive to just walk away from that
amount of money, to think that, oh, I'm going to
go into open market a year from now and get
that type of a contract.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I don't. I don't. I don't buy that, but I
don't agree with it.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
But I think that he would look at it. Then Okay,
then I'll rehab and come back for the thirty million.
I'll play this year out, and I'm basically this is
a proven year. And then he goes back to, oh
but this team sucks, so like what like what like
how like what could his performance be with that team?
I just I don't think he likes the situation.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You're going to get.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
If you're going to get the surgery anyway, Jonas, what
does it matter. You're not going to come back and play.
Why would you come back and play? You're not, so
you're gonna you're gonna sit on the roster and you're
gonna collect your thirty million dollars and you're gonna roll
out the next year, like you go your separate way.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
It's not like he's going empty handed. Like they did
give him the ten million dollars.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Okay, I just but you walked away from thirty.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Well here's the other thing is that's not exactly how
his contract is structured.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
So he keeps using thirty.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
But okay, well he said thirty against their cap or whatever.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
To that point, he was, well, yeah, that doesn't matter
to him if he's not been paid that money, Like
what does it matter, right, or if that's a.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Future that's his mind amount that is a that is
an amount that would go to him if he was
still on the roster, correct, I mean I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I mean, so to reddit.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Two things, he's gonna get hit with a cap. They're
gonna hit with a cap hit regardless, regardless. But like,
his base salary this year is only one point twenty five,
so they restructured his bonus and I'll get, you know,
something a little north of that. But I'm still looking
through his contract trying to figure out where they get
the thirty million dollars from.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Yeah, I don't know. I saw ten million. He got
ten million. There was a possibility for forty to forty year,
which means that he's walking away basically from thirty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
That's that's how I saw. I don't know all the details.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
I don't claim to be a you know, a contract guy,
but that's just kind of how I read it.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I didn't know, right.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
So there's there's a base sellary of forty next year.
There's this you know, signing peroration that's a part of that.
There's a restructured peroration that was part of the bonus.
So there's a number of things that are in here,
but it doesn't show that. So unless what I'm looking
at doesn't have the updated contract, which is a bit surprising,
and also the the way they constructed the contract somewhat unique.
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Remember this is a Saints team that used a very
similar strategy with Drew Brees. They tagged on voidable years
to the end of the contract, so twenty two seven,
twenty twenty nine, technically based on his contract, like he
can become a free agent in twenty twenty seven, that
would still mean he has two years left on his
deal this year and twenty twenty six. So there's a
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couple options if.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
You're what you're saying, is right, Jonas.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
If he wants to get out of this contract, he's
got to retire basically, or throw up a bigger fuss
to try to get them to trade him.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
And it sounds like whatever happened early this year didn't
work out.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
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Speaker 6 (40:06):
Yeah, I think that makes sense because we only got
a few more seconds left.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
Anyway, Yeah, one minute, Can I go off on a
minute ranting about something?
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Oh yeah, got I hope you remembered.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
Okay, good, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
I hope everyone enjoyed their Mother's Day, gave all the
appreciation all the special.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Ladies out there.
Speaker 7 (40:23):
I did ponder and have an issue with one thing. Brunch.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
I'm out, completely out on brunch. Yeah, okay, I just
I don't have time for it at this stage of
my life. You know, to sit there for two to
three to four hours, like there's there's sports, there's other
activities and stuff going on, and also like it's it's
the combination of two great things. Obviously breakfast and lunch,
which I actually liked them individually much better apart because
(40:50):
you had a bunch and you're short changing one versus
the other. And then you got like can you drink?
Can you not drink? Does it depend what type of drink?
There's confusion there too. There's just there's too much going
on with brunch. Like it was cool and one stage
in my life where had nothing to do. Now it stinks.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I'm completely out of the Then you pay the check and.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Go hottest take I've ever heard, Yeah, the worst take.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
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Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yeah, and live Happy Mother's Day, by the way, Happy
belated Mother's Days all the moms out there. Yeah, they
give a chance to Really, I don't think Friday do
we even talk about that?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Uh? Not really not really.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
We should have should have happy blooded Mother's Day though.
And also one real quick note, thank you to all
the men out there in their wives to help make
that day possible.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Yeah. There.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
We can't just have one day, can we, Brady?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
I mean you could turn around us on Father's Day.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Yeah, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Well, because every holiday is for y'all. I mean, this
is what it is. Well that came across the tab.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's selfish right now. I'm just saying anyway, we not me.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
That'shil on this show, and uh, we are not all
Cleveland Cavalier fans. Brady Quinn is, that.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
Was a rough one last night.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Boy, what was it?
Speaker 6 (02:56):
I wish we aided uh Brady quinn last damn man.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
Oh, it's okay, it's three women. Still got time, still
got time.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
That was a game, though, where there's the appin to
be of like an NBA game nowadays, where when it's
not even close, just go in and wave the right flag.
But I stopped the game at halftime. There's no need
to play another half of basketball. I mean, even though
I guess you could say Cleveland cut the depth cit
to half of what it was at half. I just
I've never seen a team get annihilated like that out
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of the gate and shoot soap. There were twenty five
percent from the field. Twenty five percent. I'm just to
put in perspective. Indiana was shooting sixty seven percent from three,
like they couldn't miss. Cleveland couldn't get a bucket. It
was over absolute laid an egg. And I again, I
do go back to I feel like early in the
series series, at times, you know you'll see some teams
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just kind.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Of come out flat.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I don't know if that's the way to describe it,
but they weren't ready for the moment.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
That was one of the worst performances they've.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Had year now.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
I was bad, and losing Donovan Mitchell to warm up
second half doesn't help your cause. And I don't know
how long he's going to be out for, but that
definitely doesn't bote well to what I already you know,
boldly predicted it was over anyway after that demoralizing loss
(04:23):
that they had the other night. But this one, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Was this a.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
White flag waved game before the game even got going?
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Was it you get injured when you get injured in
warm ups before the second half, Like that's that's just Cleveland.
Like nowhere else but Cleveland does that sort of thing
happen where your best player, arguably your best player, gets
injured in warm ups heading in the second half. Not
saying there's much of a shot given the score differential,
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but still that's such a Cleveland thing to happen.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
I mean, this one could have been more demoralizing just
in terms of the way they were dominated in the
game by the Pacers, But I feel like I don't
know that they come out with a little bit of fight.
Didn't look like It just looked like they were out
of sync. It looked like it like, as you mentioned,
they had poor shots selections.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I mean, this.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Whole, this whole three point phenomenon. If that's what people
want to call it, I may call it like a
three point ademic type of deal, because I mean, at
some point, you do have to play basketball, and you
may get tired running up and down the court and
stuff like that, and you're chucking up threes all the time,
(05:44):
and where's the basketball anymore? Like every once in a
while you see guys slash to the hole and make
layups or make mid range jump shots. It's like that
is such a such a relief for me to see
betsketball players go to the rim or actually dunk the
(06:07):
ball at times. I don't know, man, it's like live
out of three, die out of three. And none of
the teams shot well yesterday, by the way, I mean
the thunder Nuggets game.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
They didn't shoot well either.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
They you know, the Nuggets missed critical free throws down
the stretch of the game. I mean, I don't know, man.
The three pointer is like, Okay, it's exciting to see
people shoot it up and it go in and stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Like that.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
But when you're not making threes, play basketball, man, you know,
picking rolls, you know, go to the rack, you know,
I mean, just go figure. You know, every point doesn't
have to be from beyond the three point lane.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I will give Kenny Atkinson credit, the Cavaliers head coach
even afterwards, really upbeat, really optimistic. Hey, coach, what's the
deal with Donovan Mitchell's injury?
Speaker 8 (06:58):
Left ankle? Left ankle injury. He'll get an MRI tomorrow,
no idea. I mean, you know, obviously couldn't go in
the second half, So see what the MRI says.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Thanks coach.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Real upbeat, real positive, positive vibes there in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And you know what, can I also say this?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
What do you want them to do?
Speaker 5 (07:23):
The best player gets her in warm ups before the
second half?
Speaker 7 (07:27):
Mind you, they're done forty at half times.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Because my whole thing is at that point, with a
game like that, why should he have to talk?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
What is there to say? They just got annihilated.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
He's got no answers, clearly in that moment, because they
were losing by almost sixty at certain points it seemed
like and he's looking around going, look, man, Garland's banged up.
Now we got Mitchell who's banged up. It feels like
the writing's on the wall. And then you got to
send us out there in those like and those awful unis,
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those awful jerseys they're wearing. It's it's it's terrible and
it's an awful thing that happened to Cleveland last night.
Got exposed and didn't even look good while they were
getting exposed.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Sober Man not willing to give up yet. And we
have seen you don't have to give up. We've seen
a comeback from three to one.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You could go out kicking and screaming, or you could
go out.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
With your head.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
But Jo'll going home. It might be this next game,
it might.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Be that we took the lebron James, but we've seen
it before.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
That true, that's not that's not going to happen in
this situation. Kidding, it's never going to happen.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Lorena. Here's my pick. The Cleveland Cavaliers are through.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Sticks picks.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
There you go, They're done. Now here's the one that
I'm not certain enough. I can't get a real legit
read on the thunder Nuggets series.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I can't get it. I'm the same way I can't.
I don't.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
It's like one game, it's like, Yep, it's gonna be Denver,
it's gonna be the the experience. It's gonna be them boom.
Then the next game it's like tang the thunder. Look good, Nope,
it's going to be the thunder. Then you go to
the next game, Nope, they ain't gonna be the thunder.
It's gonna be the Nuggets. Like they're at two to
two yesterday, it didn't look like the Nuggets had enough
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gas in the tank. They didn't, you know, obviously Jokic
does what is it?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Jokic? Why do I always mess up these guys's name?
It's it's what is it? Nicole Nicola? Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Yeah, I mean some people.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Nick Nicholas, you want to I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
I don't know why I always mix him up with uh,
with the player for the Lakers, if.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
You want to just call white guy.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
They're both white guys though, That's why I'm probably clearly
mixing them up. Anyway. Nicola had his points, he had
his game, But I mean, do we feel as though
it was impressive? Like, is there is there a point
where you look at a stat line total in the
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production and you say, well, the production of it on
paper looks good, but it really didn't really didn't play
into them really.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Winning the game.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Like, I don't know, I feel like for all the
points that he got, twenty seven points is a lot
of points, but I feel like Hartenstein and and the
other the other tall dude. What's the other tall dude's name?
Why am I blanking on his name? Yeah, home Grid.
I think they're doing I think they're doing as good
a job on on On Jokic.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
As he is a tall guy razor hands and hey, hey,
and he.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Happened home Grinn happens to be a white dude too. Anyway,
I think they're doing a good job on on uh
on Jokic, I really do. And I think that that's
actually the difference outside of them missing their their free
throws down down the stretch run. I think that that
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has been the difference for OKC outside of all of
the you know, the obvious things that that they've done offensively.
But I think that's been the difference, is them doubling
up on Jokic and them not. I just don't feel
like they had enough gas in the tank last night
to be able to win that game.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Denver's coach David adaman Uh he was talking afterwards because
he was asked about potentially fatigue having an impact on
that game last night, and had this to say.
Speaker 9 (11:54):
I'm not gonna say that, you know, I don't want
to say that. I will say that, I think both
teams are very tired coming off an unbelievably physical overtime
battle on a late Friday night. So if I if
it affected us, it sure surely affected them as well.
I mean, both of us had super tired legs. So
it was about who's going to make that final run.
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And we got up eight. I thought we were making
the push, and to their credit, you know, they were
the ones to make the final run. And we made
mistakes late. We can call them mental mistakes, physical, whatever
it was. We didn't play well enough the last six
minutes to win a playoff game.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
A game in Denver.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
They should have the advantage right down the stretch with
the altitude and all that.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Sure didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But like people are like, well, you know what about
the schedule, dude, You're not playing back to back days.
It's every other day, and as it should be. Like
so the regular season, there was the issue at the schedule,
and now people are trying to bring up, well, maybe
we got a space he's out. I like the fact
that we're going one day off and then you play
a game just continues.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I understand though, the point because it doesn't feel like
they really got that day off. Especially when you play
a late game that Friday night and then you're hit
with an early game Sunday. It doesn't really feel like
you get that off day to day the day prior,
and you know, everything kind of jumps you a little
bit quicker. If it was a night game, that'd be
one thing, but it wasn't. I mean, that does make
a big difference. You know, there's teams in the NFL
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that play that late game on Sunday. I have to
turn right back around and play Thursday. And that's a
tough challenge, you know, and so you just you don't
get into your normal rhythm of recovery and all that.
And during the regular season it's different because you got
to play eighty two games, so you have to get
them all in. This is it's for it all a
sudden dest scenario that like, I don't think you really
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needed to play that game as early as you did yesterday. Like,
I've actually been a little bit baffled with some of
the TV scheduling this particular time of year. And I'm
not sure why I didn't notice this earlier. But like,
are people watching during Mother's Day NBA games? Like if
you went out to a nice brunch or a lunch
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celebrating your mom or celebrating that woman in your life,
were you Did you have the NBA on while you
were doing that?
Speaker 7 (14:07):
My guess is probably not.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I was.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
I hope not.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
I was watching, but it's my job. I don't know
that I would have been watching if it was wasn't
my job to watch it. Run your point, But.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
I'm talking about not like us, But I'm talking I'm
more like the masses of people.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
I think it makes it even more damning that it's
my job and I didn't even want to watch it,
you know.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I mean, I'm just saying.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Oh, I'm not saying that people don't don't want to
watch it. I'm just saying, for whatever reason, putting that
game on when they did, I mean, that's going to
give you the biggest ratings at that point in time
in the day. Did I miss like where whatever else
like they could have scheduled last night. I mean, I
know they're trying to juggle it between like hockey and
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basketball and everything else.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
I just I don't know. I was really disappointed with what.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
They scheduled stuff.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
It was a pretty decent gap in between the game,
don't you think, Like what was it like an hour
or two before between?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, it was an eight Eastern time tip for Cleveland Indiana.
I look, you know, no offense to uh to Cleveland Indiana,
but I would rather have seen the other game in
prime time. I'd rather have seen that play out and
we could kind of, you know, get the blow out
out of the way and then have something to look
forward to later on at night.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
So let's sitting the obvious after the fact. But are
you saying in general you'd rather see those two teams?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I think it's a better matchup. Okay, Cleveland's just banged up. Man,
It's not the same team. Like, it's not that that
team was the best team in the East by a mile,
and it is not the same team. They're limping to
the finish line and and now with Mitchell out and
the fact they're going to have to give an MRI
and I think you know true.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
I mean they had guys back.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
He's got he's got this toe issue. Garland does that.
Apparently he's just not the same player like the other
night he went down like just like his own.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't know if his toes like coming off his
body or what. But he's got this issue that's happening.
That's what they call it.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
That's disgusting, I will say. And back to some game
that that really mattered in the series. That matters because
that that Cleveland one is over, that's under Nuggets game.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I think it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
As you didn't grow up with a basketball team in Pittsburgh,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You know, no animosity, y'all just stink right now.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
For you to win it? Who was not having a
team at all? Who is our basketball the Bulls?
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Who is your basketball?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Bull Give me a break. You can't be a Bulls fan?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Why can't I be a Bulls fan?
Speaker 7 (16:43):
There's nobody because they're not in your state. At least
you have the seventy six ers in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I get to choose what team I want to cheer for.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Yeah, when you don't have a team present, when you
don't have a team in your life.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
You gets You're right, you get the Pittsburgh still choose
the Burgh Molers, the Pittsburgh Spirit our soccer team, the
Pittsburgh Penguins, anything the Pirates, all Pittsburgh teams, or my
team's growing up NBA.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
He did not have it.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
I'm not Why would I. We don't even like the
eastern side of the state. I didn't even like the
eastern side of the state until I went to penn State. Like,
we don't claim Philadelphia that you know how that'd be?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Like, I know, it's a great question. Like people from Cincinnati,
you don't have a basketball team? Do you root for
the Calves?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
I don't know the dynamic of Ohio, I will say,
and that's even understand.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
But Pennsylvania is divided by east and west, north and south.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
There you go. It's not that different. It's the exact same.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
It's just what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh we are. We are day and
night different. That's day Cincinnati people will tell you too,
So you think they do? You think they chair for Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I never actually posed the question ever before my life
to think about that.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
So I don't think they do.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I think ye.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
I would never choose growing up, I would have never
chosen a Philadelphia team, not the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
In fact, I wanted.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
To beat the Eagles every time we played them the worst,
in the worst way. Wanted to beat the freaking Phillies
in the worst way, wanted to beat the Flyers in
the worst way, because we claim to be the winning
side of the state. Now they've gotten a super Bowl
since in more recent times they've been good in baseball,
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and more recent times they've been decent, better than the Pirates.
They they've been good and and pretty like decent in basketball.
Killing yeah right, yeah, but we don't have a basketball team,
so it doesn't matter that that they are good in basketball,
but we would ever I would never claim a Philly
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team growing up in Pittsburgh. I would never That would
never happen. Anyway, Back to the original point, I was
a Bulls fan because well, they were always on. They
were always on, The Lakers were always on, and the
Celtics were always on. When I was growing up, and
clearly I was. I was a big time It was
a big time Michael Jordan fan. I mean, go figure,
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sorry and everything back.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Jonas just picked all front runners. That's why he likes Celtics. Yeah,
I mean Pittsburgh the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Like, come on, dude, like.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
The Bears just all in, then what do you want
me to do? Just just ball wash the entire state
of California.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Some of us are real fans. Some of us like
follow a team despite them winning. Like, some of us
are real fans about it, even with the heart break.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Still where you live, bro, you are supposed to support
the team where you live. I don't live in Cleveland,
right see, But if you don't, if you don't live there,
then if you don't, I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Have a team where you reside.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
You get to choose.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
That's just how you were.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
That's close enough for it.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
It's like it's not well, I don't know again, if
I lived in Central Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
That's different.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
I can choose where I grew up. Okay, Central Okay,
Then that you can go either way. If you're on
the side, you gotta choose a side, like you can't.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
You can't be in Pittsburgh cheering for Philly teams. You
can't do it.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I grew up that's blasphemous. I grew up with Celtics fans.
My dad was a Celtics fan. They were the only
team he lists he could listen to on the radio,
and so that's why he rooted for that. Not that.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I'm this you could only listen to it at radio.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I'm saying my dad, not me, my dad growing up, but.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
I'm when he would drive his Model Tea sitting around
the road the radio listening to the game, like there's
some old type stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So so, as I was saying before I was interrupted again,
so I was.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
I was also there was I was a Cubs fan
because my dad.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Grew up in Illinois. We had family out there. You
could be a White Sox fan or a Cubs fan.
They chose the Cubs, and the Bears came along with it,
and then the Penguin.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
The Cowboys because that's from That's where Wytarp is from, right,
and he fought the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I'll be honest, the Cowboys. The Penguins fandom. I just
kind of started getting into hockey and I liked the
logo and I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. But
nobody was really a big hockey fan of my family,
and they.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Liked the original Penguin, like the older one.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
No no, no, no, the early newer one, like early nineties,
like ninety three ish. It was right after their Stanley Cubs.
Go figure all right, now, I have to tell you this.
This is just like I opened up the sports menu
and was like, you know what, I don't have to
eat off that page. I'll go, I'll go look around
a little bit. I don't have to pick local California teams.
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So I chose differently. You know, we do what we do.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I'm not judging you, but I'm just saying you should
choose where you're from and if you're not, if you
don't have one where you're from, then you get to
choose who you want. Like that's I feel like that's fair.
That's a fair deal. I didn't grow up with a
basketball team. I mean, I mean I had to cheer
for somebody.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Like you know, the people that got a real ruff for,
like people in Buffalo. Like there's probably people in Buffalo
that are Blue Jays fans, Like there's probably people in Buffalo.
You're so close to the board.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
They don't have a basketball team either, Do they do
they claim the Grizzlies? Do they do they claim the Raptors?
They like do they go. So you got to cross
the border. You got across the border to go cheer
for your home team, like you.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
Gotta pay the terriff.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
That's how committed I am.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
All right, just saying there's something to it.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
It is a Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
here on Fox Sports Radio, far Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas
Knox with you here. All right, so coming up, but
we are going to have the usuals. We've got a
nether edition of Lee's Leftovers to close up shop. We've
also got our FSR IR. We've also got in case
you missed it, all of it is yours here on
this three hour extravaganza up next, though, somebody made a
move over the weekend in the NFL, and it's a
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little curious. The decision is a little curious. We will
get into that for you here on FSR.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio Apputerbug.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Bang Bang Bang.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Isn't this the North Hills High walkout song.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
No, Jonas, it's not, but I wouldn't be mad at it.
I mean, we was most likely gonna whoop somebody's ass. Anyway,
I'm here.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Hey, That is not the point. That is not the point.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas
Knox with you coming up a little over fifteen minutes
from now Never too early to hand out an award
here on this show. That'll happen here for you again
fifteen minutes from now here on FSR. There was a
big story out of the NFL that came out on
Saturday that Derek Carr, after eleven seasons in the league,
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is retiring. The Saints quarterback, deciding to walk away at
thirty four years old, obviously dealing with the shoulder issue
that popped up recently that he suffered in a Week
fourteen game allegedly against the Giants. So his now former
head coach Kellen Moore spoke about Derek Carr's decision the process.
Speaker 10 (25:00):
First of all, you respect and appreciate so much that
Derek's done in this league and for the way he's
done it. The the on the field performance, the off
the field person that he's showcased, and the impact he's
had on so many people in this in this profession
is really really special and so certainly, you know, coming here,
I've always had so much respect and appreciation for him,
and you know, as we've gone through this process, obviously
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this is this is how it kind of ultimately was settled.
It was really good communication through the whole process as
far as navigating this again, you know, challenging circumstances with
him being injured at the end of the year and
then just kind of navigating things throughout the whole off
season process.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So there's Kellen Moore discussing the decision of Derek Carr
to retire and the process thereon.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
New WoT he's thirty four years old. Do you guys
think he's done.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
No, I think he was done with New Orleans. That's
what I think.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
I think it sounds kind of fair all things considered,
and I think they probably when you're looking at the team,
the roster, the transition they're gonna have to make here
next year or two. I don't I don't want to
say it's gonna be a rebuild, but it feels like
this might be a great time to reset and to rebuild.
They can put themselves in position to have the number
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one overall pick next year. It could be arch Manning
falling in his footsteps Archie, which would be quite possibly
one of the coolest, greatest stories ever.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Like the fact that a guy could get.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Drafted number one overall to the same team his grandfather
played for be pretty sick. But I don't want to
get ahead of ourselves. Just having the number one overall pick,
they could be in control of next year's draft, which
would be huge. So not advocating for that, not even
saying that that's like a real thing, because for coaches
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and players, you know, if you have an awful season,
you're Kellen Moore.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
It's on your resume.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Man.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
As a head coach, it's really hard to overcome some
of that stench because they've got to then that next job.
If things don't work out, if you can't turn it around,
they've got to find a way of making a seam
appealing of why they're going to hire you.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
What didn't work out to was well, okay, well what
happened in New Orleans.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
You know that's always going to be the conversation anytime
it doesn't work out. So to sit there and say, well,
this team's gonna tank, and I wouldn't call that. I
think a lot of organizations try to remain competitive, but
you know, shuffle the roster or rebuild the roster in
times when you have a veteran quarterback who is productive,
who decides to retire, he's not not in the picture.
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And it's a combination of rattler j Canner and Tyler Shuck,
which I'm sure there's veteran players on that team who
are not thrilled about what this season looks like. They're
probably not overly optimistic. It's kind of like we talked
about previously. Every you know, all thirty two two walking
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that training camp, they're like, all right, our goals to
win the Super Bowl this year. It's like, all right,
is this team is that really their goal? Like, I
don't think they can win the division, let alone the
super Bowl. So you find yourself in this position now
looking at it, saying it's pretty crazy that Derek Carr healthy.
You viewed them as a more competitive team without him healthy.
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And I'm not saying he's, you know, the best quarterback
in the league, but he definitely provides them a boost.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
But it feels like there's something.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Off there with him and the team, and that this
that he wants to find his way, maybe back somewhere else,
maybe back West, be closer to his family, and finish
his career there, because at thirty four and really is
not that far removed from playing some good football. I
just don't think he's done.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I don't know if he's done or not.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
I think that character wise, he seems like the type
of guy that has that honor system where he wouldn't
leverage retirement to try to clear himself to go to
a different team. I don't know that that would be
the case here, don't I don't know. But what I
will say is when I heard the news, the first
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thing I thought was, I wonder how long the discussions
were taking place between the Saints and car And the
reason why that was relevant to me was to kind
of the point of, well, if they were to not
have a good season, whether you want to call it
tanking or not, if they don't have a good season,
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to inform your team in May that you're going to retire.
I think that there's more leniency towards you know what
that coach's resume would be if they don't do as well.
Being this laid in the game, you had free agency,
if you were going to retire, retire ahead of free agency.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Give the Saints.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
If you're doing this for the good of the team
as well as your health, then give them a fair
opportunity to go into the free agency pool and test
out what they wanted to do. They may have gone
after Aaron Rodgers or whatever, and they still could go
after Aaron Rodgers, but I'm just saying, based upon where
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they were at going into the new league year, if
you were really truly doing this to help help them,
then you make that tough decision a little earlier. I
don't know that you make that tough decision in May,
and that was you know, to me, my biggest question was, well,
how much conversation was taking place between car and the
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Saints in terms of the seriousness and nature of this injury?
Like this is serious. If you're saying it's it's something
that will make me consider retirement and then you ultimately
choose retirement, that's a serious that's a finality. In some cases.
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I don't know if he's going to come back, But
I just don't. I don't know, man. I think that
doing this so late that's what raises red flags to me,
But I don't know. I look at it as that's
when he made his decision, and he gave them money back.
You know, it's not like he stayed on the roster
to collect money.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It's the same offseason that he reportedly asked for a trade,
wasn't happy with where his contract was at, and then
all of a sudden, his shoulder injury pops up, and
it's like it doesn't have to be career ending. He
can go through the surgery and or he can even
rehab it. And they said, well, he could get back
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to about seventy five percent if he does the surgery.
It's like a four to six month timeline. And then
you get this report from you know, Jeff Noak who
covers the Saints, who says that Kellen Moore never met
with Derek Carr in person this offseason like the other people,
the other Tyler Shuck never talked to him. There's a
fracture there, like there's something going on there. It's been
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weird all off season. And I just think that maybe
if he was in a better place or a place
he was happier in with a better contract or something
he felt better at.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
A better contract. He's forfeiting what thirty million dollars is
walking away.
Speaker 7 (32:17):
But he also was to keep his ten million.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Yeah, but he got the spring.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
He also wasn't happy with where he was at because
he had the one year left. So I think if
he was in a situation that that he was happier with,
I think he'd be more open minded.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
You think that he can you guys think that there's
a possibility he could go get a contract of that
that value somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Hold on, if I think if he were in a
situation that he were happier with, he'd be more open
minded to going through the surgery or coming back at
seventy five percent and going through the rehab.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
I just don't think he's happy there.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Before I get the Levar's question, let me ask this.
If the surgery or excuse me, if the injury is
so serious that he needs to retire, wouldn't you think
he's gonna get surgery anyway?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Okay, so I'm saying less.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
It's one of those deals where you can just go
through life and not have to get the surgery, You're
just not going to be able to do the things
that you're doing as a quarterback throwing the ball.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I mean, he could.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Some people really do value trying to not get surgeries,
Like I'm not one of them. If I need surgery,
I'm gonna go get it. But some guys don't. They
don't like it, like they.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Feel like they could die or whatever.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
People have, you know, their their hang ups or their
phobias or whatever.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
So I'm not I don't know. I don't know the
case in that.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
You know, if it if it's a for sure surgery,
you know, procedure situation, I don't, you know, I don't know.
I don't know if that's the conclusion I draw from it.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Right, I guess the way I'm the way I'm looking
at it is is if he gets surgery, takes his
time as he's retired this season, fast forward to third
you know, twenty twenty six, he's thirty five still and
has played some good football. You know, you go back
to the twenty twenty three season, it wasn't like he
had really a bad year. I know there's some Saints
(34:10):
fans who weren't happy about it, but this is a
league it's in dire need of quarterbacks. He threw for
thirty over thirteen hundred almost thirty nine hundred yards, twenty
five touchdowns, eight interceptions.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
That was in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
They were nine to eight that year, and you go
back through the other years, like he's been pretty consistently healthy.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Maybe there's been a game here or there, but.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
He's also been pretty productive and a good decision maker.
So there will be suitors. There will be I mean,
like Joe flackam I start for the Browns? Think about that.
So when you ask, like, will there be a team
that's gonna pay him?
Speaker 7 (34:44):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (34:45):
I mean Sam Donald off what he wants. Yeah, off
of one season, one season. Sam Donald got a three
or one hundred million dollar contract off one season, fifty
two point five million total guaranteed. Are you telling me
you don't think you can get that for Derek Carr?
Speaker 6 (35:05):
You know where he's at right now. I don't know
to walk away from thirty million, I just don't. I
don't feel like that's for the money. Because if it
was about the money and you're not happy about it,
then you stay and get your money, You get your surgery,
you rehab, you get your money, and then you figure
out what you're going to do from there, like you
(35:26):
test the market out, whatever it may be, because you're
not going to play for the Saints this year anyway.
I think he's counterproductive to just walk away from that
amount of money, to think that, oh, I'm going to
go into open market a year from now and get
that type of a contract.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I don't. I don't. I don't buy that, but I
don't agree with it.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
But I think that he would look at it. Then Okay,
then I'll rehab and come back for the thirty million.
I'll play this year out, and I'm basically this is
a proven year. And then he goes back to, oh
but this team sucks, so like what like what like
how like what could his performance be with that team?
I just I don't think he likes the situation.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You're going to get.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
If you're going to get the surgery anyway, Jonas, what
does it matter. You're not going to come back and play.
Why would you come back and play? You're not, so
you're gonna you're gonna sit on the roster and you're
gonna collect your thirty million dollars and you're gonna roll
out the next year, like you go your separate way.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
It's not like he's going empty handed. Like they did
give him the ten million dollars.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Okay, I just but you walked away from thirty.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Well here's the other thing is that's not exactly how
his contract is structured.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
So he keeps using thirty.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
But okay, well he said thirty against their cap or whatever.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
To that point, he was, well, yeah, that doesn't matter
to him if he's not been paid that money, Like
what does it matter, right, or if that's a.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Future that's his mind amount that is a that is
an amount that would go to him if he was
still on the roster, correct, I mean I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I mean, so to reddit.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Two things, he's gonna get hit with a cap. They're
gonna hit with a cap hit regardless, regardless. But like,
his base salary this year is only one point twenty five,
so they restructured his bonus and I'll get, you know,
something a little north of that. But I'm still looking
through his contract trying to figure out where they get
the thirty million dollars from.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Yeah, I don't know. I saw ten million. He got
ten million. There was a possibility for forty to forty year,
which means that he's walking away basically from thirty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
That's that's how I saw. I don't know all the details.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
I don't claim to be a you know, a contract guy,
but that's just kind of how I read it.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I didn't know, right.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
So there's there's a base sellary of forty next year.
There's this you know, signing peroration that's a part of that.
There's a restructured peroration that was part of the bonus.
So there's a number of things that are in here,
but it doesn't show that. So unless what I'm looking
at doesn't have the updated contract, which is a bit surprising,
and also the the way they constructed the contract somewhat unique.
(37:50):
Remember this is a Saints team that used a very
similar strategy with Drew Brees. They tagged on voidable years
to the end of the contract, so twenty two seven,
twenty twenty nine, technically based on his contract, like he
can become a free agent in twenty twenty seven, that
would still mean he has two years left on his
deal this year and twenty twenty six. So there's a
(38:12):
couple options if.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
You're what you're saying, is right, Jonas.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
If he wants to get out of this contract, he's
got to retire basically, or throw up a bigger fuss
to try to get them to trade him.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
And it sounds like whatever happened early this year didn't
work out.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
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we are up against it. We don't have a whole
lot of time, So would you guys prefer to maybe
we push it to the top of next hour.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
Yeah, I think that makes sense because we only got
a few more seconds left.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
Anyway, Yeah, one minute, Can I go off on a
minute ranting about something?
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Oh yeah, got I hope you remembered.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
Okay, good, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
I hope everyone enjoyed their Mother's Day, gave all the
appreciation all the special.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Ladies out there.
Speaker 7 (40:23):
I did ponder and have an issue with one thing. Brunch.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
I'm out, completely out on brunch. Yeah, okay, I just
I don't have time for it at this stage of
my life. You know, to sit there for two to
three to four hours, like there's there's sports, there's other
activities and stuff going on, and also like it's it's
the combination of two great things. Obviously breakfast and lunch,
which I actually liked them individually much better apart because
(40:50):
you had a bunch and you're short changing one versus
the other. And then you got like can you drink?
Can you not drink? Does it depend what type of drink?
There's confusion there too. There's just there's too much going
on with brunch. Like it was cool and one stage
in my life where had nothing to do. Now it stinks.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I'm completely out of the Then you pay the check and.
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Go hottest take I've ever heard, Yeah, the worst take.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
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