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Thursday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Knicks choke big time vs the Pacers in Game 1. Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie offends people by making a wet dream comparison. Plus, Jim Irsay passes away and In Case You Missed It.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with
you here. Coming up on this Thursday edition, an all
time gag job at MSG by the New York Knicks
last night and the Pacers go up one nothing in
the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We will discuss.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We're also going to talk about the passing of Jim Ursay,
what he meant to the NFL, what he meant to
the city of Indianapolis, and a little bit about his
background that a lot of people may not be aware of.
We will discuss the tush push debate, the argument that
ensued apparently Jeffrey Lourie, the Eagles owner, offended some people
there in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We'll get into all.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
That for you here, and we'll also discuss it more
with the Great Albert Breer, who's going to stop by. Plus,
we've got another edition of In case you missed it,
We've got a weird rule that the NFL is allowing
to happen next year that still doesn't make a whole
hell of a lot of sense. And we've got another
edition of Lee's Leftovers. It's all yours coming up next here.
Two Pros and a cup of Joe on a Thursday,
Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Radio listened to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Oh Stadio.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Mm hm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Here on Fox Sports Radio last night, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Jonas Knox with you. You can listen to this show
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appreciate it. We'll be taking you all the way up
until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. And I
have a question to ask both of you, if you
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don't mind, because you got to help me out with this.
Does the g in MSG stand for gag? Because what
a gag job that was by the Knicks last night.
Dynamite job, folks, Way to go, way to celebrate and
climb stuff in the streets to Manhattan after advancing past
the second round for the first time in one hundred
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and eighty five years or whatever it was.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Way to go, A way to follow that up with
your home crowd last night? What the hell was that
the store?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
The storyline touched on Reggie Miller, you know, and he
is a part of the original gag Job, So there
you go.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
You know, I do love the fact that. I do
love the fact though that it felt like.
Speaker 7 (02:25):
You were watching that that I don't want to say rivalry,
but that game again, I mean, Tyrese Haliburton knew exactly what.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
He was doing when he hit that shot.
Speaker 7 (02:34):
That seemed miraculous, the way it bounced, the way he
took the shot. But unbelievable come back. I mean once
they once they tied it up. I mean I don't
know how you guys felt, but I was like, this
game's over. The Indian Appolis is going to win this
in overtime if this thing holds true.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
So it was unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (02:53):
But this Pacers team, I think we've underestimated, at least
I've underestimated all throughout the playoffs. I did not think
that they're a team that was going to be able
to make it to the NB Finals, even could win it.
Now I feel like they're a team you just can't
count them out.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I mean, Ay Smith hit those eight those A threes,
I'm not going I think the Knicks underestimated some aspects
of the Pacers and I don't know if the way
the Pacers won that game, I don't know how sustainable
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that is, but it I mean, it definitely is entertainment.
It made it an entertaining game. I mean, there was
a lot of excitement. You know, Madison Square Garden was rocking,
and they ended up letting it get away, man. And
I mean, I just don't know how feasible it is
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if I'm the New York Knicks to look at that
loss as as a catalyst for the rest of the series.
But if I'm the Indiana Pacers, how are they viewing
the game? Like I think this is one of those
games where it's like, Okay, you got out of the
first game, and you won that first game in a
hostile environment, and you overcame improbable type of odds, I mean,
(04:17):
being down as far as they were to be able
to climb back into the game, which now again goes
back to the whole conversation of live by the deep ball,
died by the deep ball. They were able to find
the rim, they kept leaving them open to shoot shoot
the ball, and Naysmith continue to make it. And so
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that's I'm certain that's an adjustment that the Knicks can
make you know you're not. I doubt we're going to
see Naysmith hit thirty points maybe ever again in this series.
But Halliburton delivered. He delivered what he has generally delivered
and was able to send the game into overtime and
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they were able to win the game. But I do
not think they were the better team in the game.
And so it'll be interesting to see how how the
series continues to unfold, because again, that could be considered
to be one of those demoralizing victories or demoralizing losses
(05:25):
to to.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
The New York Knicks.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
But in game one, it shouldn't be a demoralizing victory
because if I'm if I'm the Knicks, if I'm the coach,
I'm walking away from it. I'm saying we clearly were
the better team, and some lapses in judgment in terms
of maybe how they played defense, you know, uh you
know you could hear you know, uh, Chuck and and
(05:48):
Shaq and Draymond. Draymond was kind of throwing it like, hey, look,
you know that was an adjustment that they should have made.
They should have they shouldn't have sacrificed something to do
something I forget how he explained it. But I guess it's,
you know, slipping and switching. They weren't switching or slipping
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the picks that were taking place to free Naysmith up.
So you know, I don't know. I think those are
adjustments that they can make and maybe make it a
better game, you better series moving forward.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
You're not alarmed by how they lost that game moving forward.
I mean, Shack was making the point when Nie Smith
hit two and then three and then four, it was like, okay, well,
at some point somebody's gonna have to address that. They
missed free throws down the stretch. Their defense completely fell
apart late, and Tibbs is a defensive guy. Like I
(06:45):
looked at last night's game and I'm like, that might
have been the series. I swear to god that might
have been.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
They just lost.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
They just lost home court on an all time collapse,
on an all time collapse. And for the record, Indiana
has been better than many people of it have thought
or realized for a long time. You can go back
to last year when they were in the Eastern Conference Finals.
They were here last year and got swept by the Celtics,
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and if you go back and watch that series. They
were in every one of those games like they were competitive.
They probably should have won the first game there. This
is a really good team. They're really deep. They're much
deeper than the Knicks are. They're the Eastern Conference equivalent
I think of the OKC Thunder. I don't think there
is good but last night was problematic for the Knicks.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
If it's me, I think the irony to this team
is they remind me a little bit of the twenty
four team, which was the last time they won an
Eastern Conference Finals game, if you think about that. But
obviously Halliburton fits the bill of what Reggie Miller was
as a shooting guard. And then you kind of look
through some of the other pieces they had on that team,
and Steven Jackson, I don't know who you if you
(07:54):
want to compare him to Nis Smith, there's something else,
Ermaine O'Neil you could maybe compare.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
To some of those.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
But it's like the pieces of this team seem to
match up somewhat similarly back to that team twenty one
years ago and the way they were able to play.
So I look at it and just say, it's weird
how history tends to repeat itself. But you couldn't have
found a better player, at least this early in his
career in Tyrusaliburt. And who's kind of fit that bill
(08:19):
of what Reggie Miller was to the Inaniana Pacers. At
least he's a three point shooter. By the way, when
he made that shot and turn around and did the
choking gesture, he turned and pointed, was was Spike Lee
at the game last night?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
You think he was pointing at Reggie because Reggie Miller
was calling the game.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
Okay, because it looked like he pointed more not towards
the middle of the court where Reggie would have been,
but more like to another spot on the court.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
It looked like he was pointing the more rare Spike
Lee would have been. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
I guess like definitely would have been there.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
Though That's what I'm saying is it didn't. Initially it
looked like he kind of looked over at Reggie, but
then he pointed more like off the side and where
like a guy like Spike Lee would be sitting on
the on the you know court size.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So Halliburton actually spoke afterwards about the gesture. I was
not familiar with the term or a farming. But apparently
that's the thing. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
I wasn't like plotting out or anything.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
I just everybody wanted me to do it, like last
year at some different point.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
But it's just gotta just gotta feel right, and it
felt right the time.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
If I would have known it was A two, I
would not have done it. So I think I might
have wasted it.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (09:25):
If I do it again, then I might be people
might say I'm like or farming, So I'm not a
I don't plan on using it again.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
What a great moment, man, by the way of tracing
you or a farm by the way a little bit?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Do you think?
Speaker 5 (09:36):
So?
Speaker 6 (09:37):
You definitely tried to a something that takes which which
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
How the proclamation you just made about the Indiana Pacers
after that win, how that's not a pick.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
You've basically already said what the rest of the series is
going to be.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
I mean, listen, I knew I knew it was coming,
didn't though, better late than never?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Hey, Pacers plus four and a half, never in doubt,
Never in doubt. That was easy money all the way
through a full fledged bank heist there at Madison Square
Garden and by the way, if Tracy Morgan is throwing
up on the floor on the floor during just a calm,
casual game, what was he doing last night?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Like Lee?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Do you have any updates on Tracy Morgan blowing chunks
on the court there at MSG based on what he
saw from his team working on it, but nothing yet time.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Do we have any updates on Lee? By the way?
And just how Lee is doing after his wonder day yesterday?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
LaVar spotted it via text.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yah, yeah, I'm doing next. I don't know what you're
talking about.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Okay, just fine.
Speaker 9 (10:42):
It was a little delivery Wednesday, but uh all was good.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
On just fine, just a little Les Turner should be
should be mentioned? Uh his name hasn't been mentioned. He
I think he is if they are going to win,
He's going to be just as much a key part
of this team winning as even almost as Halliburton. I
(11:07):
think that that is. He is the player that makes
the difference for Halliburton to be who Halliburton is, which
is the star of the team, which is the the
batman of the team. But I tell you what, he
is a super valuable player to to the cause of
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the Indiana Pacers and it'll be interesting to see can
he maintain because he shot really well yesterday and he
was knocking down some some pretty you know, pretty important
shots for them, and it keeps it keeps the the
Knicks honest, It kept their defense honest. It kept them
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in in some cases, I mean, it kept them in
striking distance and gave them opportunities. So, you know, Miles,
he deserves some some credit and and and some you know,
obviously some some acknowledgment of what his part in the
game was. I think he's actually the longest tenured Indiana
(12:16):
pacer in the history of the franchise. I believe that
that interesting. I guess, like trivia for for Miles Turner
is I believe so I believe he could be looked
that up Lee. I would could be the longest tenured
Indiana pacer.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I would have said Rick Smith's, uh maybe.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Regie, you know, like the guys have been there the longest.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I would I I think I'm right, But but I
definitely think that he deserves, uh some you know, some credit.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Reggie had eighteen seasons, Miles has ten.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
There's something, there's something longest something, there's something there he broke.
He broke some type of record in terms of longest something.
But anyway, yeah, I'm off, but longest tenured player on
the Indiana Pacers, having spent ten seasons with the team
(13:19):
that was drafted.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
In two Yeah. Currently, yeah, there we go to that effect.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
We should. We should also mention.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
The passing of Jim Mercy, obviously speaking of Indianapolis, the
Colts owner passing away, which I think caught everybody by surprise,
but it was appropriate. He sent one final tweet before
passing away, saying go Pacers, good luck to her, the
entire Pacers organization, and our city. And then according to
the Colts, he passed away peacefully in his sleep. So
(13:51):
kind of an emotional rollercoaster for the city of Indianapolis,
for the fan base of both those teams. But you know,
at least they got they got a happy ending at
the end with the win last night. But anything I've
ever heard about Jim Mersay, I've heard nothing but good things,
like and he's a little bit of a little bit
of a wild man, And there was all sorts of
(14:13):
stories about him that came out through the media over
the past several years. But I can remember having a
conversation with Jeffrey Gorman who worked here and did a
show with Steve Gorman for years. And Jeffrey was close
to the Colts organization, did stuff with the Colts organization,
and he was close with Jim Mersay and he always
told me great dude, like great guy.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Anybody who ever came.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
In contact with him was a big fan of Jim
Mersay and the way he operated.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So kind of sad to.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
See this guy loved Indianapolis, you know, he really did.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
He loved his organization, He loved the Colts and football,
he loved the Pacers though he was a sports fan.
And you know, talking to some of the people within
the organization this past year for that final game of
the season, you know, there's a lot of conversation about
what was going to happen to Chris Pallard could potentially have
a Shane Stike and based on how maybe the final
game went or how the season had gone, and just
(15:06):
talking with everyone there, you got a sense that, you
know a couple of things.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Obviously the condition of Jimmer.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
We've got some technical difficulties with Brady there, but yeah, do.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
You want to say this having gained a tree leaning
country boot wearing Songbird yesterday. So there's that. Yeah, you know,
that's that's that should be noted that Jill Mersey, I'm
certain will be singing or is already singing some of
(15:42):
his songs.
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Speaker 2 (17:13):
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Speaker 1 (17:21):
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Speaker 2 (17:23):
Blogos, but I'm not sure. I don't know, not totally sure.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
But it's a little odd that nickname for Monci.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I don't know, never heard it before. By the way,
coming up in about twenty minutes from now, we are
going to have a discussion about somebody getting paid in
the NFL, but not for what you think it is,
all right, this is a different type of payment. We'll
get into that for you here on FSR. So we've
been speculating about what's going to happen with this tush
(17:58):
push boat. Felt like, hey listen, and they were split.
They're gonna nudge it over and then they're just gonna
change everything, and you're not gonna be able to tug
or push and pull and all that stuff, and they'll
just do away with it because people think the Eagles
have an unfair advantage. And then all of a sudden.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
It doesn't. The Tush Push stays alive.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yesterday, at the owner's meetings in Minnesota, the owners voted
twenty two to ten against the Tush Push. The problem is,
you need twenty four yes is in order for it
to get changed. It didn't happen. The Tush Push stays,
but according to Seth Wickersham of ESPN, things got a
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little heated at times. This from his article yesterday quote
Eagles owner Jeffrey Lourie made an impassioned speech in defense
of the play. The Eagles and the NFL declined comment,
but sources close to Lorie told ESPN that he had
seen reports from earlier in the day that the Tush
Push was going to be banned, so he just figured
theds of the play survival were long. Toward the end
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of the speech that lasted close to an hour, Laurie
made an analogy, telling the room that regardless of whether
the play was banned, it was a win win for
the Eagles, adding that it was like a wet dream
for a teenage boy to create a play that was
so successful that the only way for it to be
stopped was for it to be banned. After Lourie finished speaking,
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Executive vice President of Football Operations Troy Vincent chasta as
the Eagles owner for the wet dream comment, specifically for
saying it in front of women in the meeting. Laurie
spoke for several more minutes, adding that whoever voted to
ban the play would be taking liability for putting quarterbacks
at risk. He criticized NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and Vincent
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for advocating for the ban, adding that he had spoken
to NFL Chief Medical Officer Alan Sills at length about
the play. They even brought in Jason Kelsey to speak
about it, saying I would have kept playing if we
could run the tush push every single down we had the.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Ball, etc.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Etc.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
The Philadelphia Eagles walked in there and assuming the thing
was going to get banned, laid it all out on
the table, And are the Kings of the NFL in
the offseason and they get their way?
Speaker 7 (20:14):
How much did Jason Kelsey get paid to go out
there and speak on behalf of the Eagles because he
seemed like the most miserable player who has ever been
a part of running that play. But I've got more
questions than anything else in regards to this entire process
this offseason with the NFL.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
The first being and we had talked about.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
This earlier when the news came out that I believe
it was the Green Bay Packers who had submitted the
proposal to ban the push push and the verbage and
how they were doing it. And then later on we
find out the NFL was actually the one behind the
scenes pushing Green Bay to submit this to try to
make this change. So you already knew there was one
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team that was against it. Now you start to kind
of look into a twenty two to ten vote, and
according to Adam Schefter, obviously the Eagles were in favor,
the Ravens were in favor of it, the Cleveland Browns,
Detroit Lions, Jaguars, Dolphins, Patriots, Saints, Jets, Titans. If you'll
notice something, there's not one NFC East team in there,
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and in fact, outside of the Saints and Lions, everyone
else besides the Eagles, which you'd assume they'd vote for
is from the AFC and they don't have to see
the touch push quite as often. So clearly there's some
sentiment from the NFC against all of this. I just
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wonder why it had to be the Packers. Why can't
the NFL, whether it's Roger Goodell or Troy Vincent, come
out and say, hey, we don't like it for these reasons.
I mean, for all we know, they could have data
that supports pulling fans, or maybe they're pulling from a
reaction on X where fans don't like that the Toush
push play and so they feel like this is bad
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for the product.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Move moving forward.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Obviously it's not banned, so it doesn't matter, and it's
moving forward. But I do wonder how it got to
this point, and why did Jeffrey LORII has to make
such an impassioned speech because he feels like someone's going
behind his back.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Don't you guys think that the Packers look bad in
this whole thing, especially now that it didn't work because
the NFL really well, because the NFL nudged them into
doing this, and according to a report, the Packers didn't
even really care about it that much. But the NFL,
much like they did with the Lions, and hey, you know,
propose this new playoff format. They sent the Packers out
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there to be the bad guy, so to speak, and
now it doesn't get passed and they're the ones that
have to wear it when they didn't even really care
about it that much anyways.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
If the NFL, I don't think.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
They're wearing it though, Like this is more about to me,
the Philadelphia Eagles, the touch push, what they've created, what
they're still trying to keep in. I mean, twenty two
other teams agree with them, or twenty one other teams
excuse me, and the NFL for that matter, So it's
not like they're on the wrong side of this. Unfortunately,
do the that the NFL has created for themselves and
changing these It's not a simple majority, and because of
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that you look at it and say, all right, like
who else is on the fence that voted for keeping it?
Speaker 6 (23:10):
But a year from now that could change.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I think what makes it interesting is that it's the
team that actually won the Super Bowl that is able
to execute the play in such a way that you
can't stop it. You know, they lost the year before
the does the tush push have as much, you know,
I guess momental more validity to attack it and want
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to do away with it. Not being able to win
the Super Bowl, in fact, having a such a slide
at the end of the season where it called for
Nick Sirianni the head coach, to actually be on the
hot seat as the coach of the team, and then
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fast forward they do win the Super Bowl and now
you're back in the meeting rooms for vote. I wonder
will this be a Will this be a ticket on
the docket every single year until it gets banned? That's
what it makes me wonder, because I don't think that
there will be this.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
This won't be a.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Put to rest situation. I honestly think that it'll be something.
I don't know how the politics of it unfold or
how it's handled at the meetings where they vote on
these things with the Competition Committee, But I just wonder,
will this be an ongoing fight or war or battle
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or whatever it may be to do away with it again?
For me as a defender and somebody who has an
affinity for the defensive side of the ball, I think
because the pushing pooling is connected to this whole touch
push play. My my feeling after it was ruled you know,
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to be still you know legal to do is again
this this still allows for you to push in pool
players in other situations, and I think that that needs
to be at some point, it needs to be done
away with. I do not think that that is football
when you're able to hit a player from behind and
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push them forward. I do not feel like assisting a
ball carrier in any way if you're another player is
first safe. If we're saying that this is something that
the NFL really leans into, is the safety of the players.
That's not a safe approach to the game. It's just
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not and I don't think that it belongs in the game.
I think that once a ball carrier is is impeded
and their forward progress is clearly stopped, then the play
should be over. Not another player grabbing on to them,
latching on and pulling them forward, or another guy, you know,
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plowing into the pow and plowing into the ball carrier
and pushing the ball carrier forward and aiding the player
to go forward. And even if it's a quarterback keeper,
there shouldn't be an alignment where that person is in
perfect position to run behind the ball carrier and aid
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them and going forward, I just don't think that that's
footballs and I think it's dangerous. So that debate will,
i'm certain, continue to be a debate moving forward. And
while I don't have an issue against the push push
per se, I do have an issue with what I
just discussed.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
So Falcon CEO Rich McKay, he spoke about whether or
not he was dissap pointed that the Toush push was
not banned yesterday.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
It's not disappointing for me, for our committee, for the
committees that did the work, because it takes twenty four
votes to pass anything, and that is not and we
don't set a low bar, and this one, this was
unanimously proposed by the Competition Committee, unanimously proposed by the
Player Helping Safety Committee, and by the Owner Helping Safety Committee.
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So there's a lot of support for it, a lot
of discussion about it. I've been in that room numerous
times where we've had these types of discussions and one
team really you know, ends up being in their mind more.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Impacted than others.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
But it still takes twenty four votes, and in this
case those votes were not there.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Do you guys, remember the movie Shashank when they kept
bringing red in Morgan Freeman, they kept them.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Do you love referencing shots?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, anyone else wants to know, because there's a scene
where he comes in and he's having his parole hearing
and then finally gets to his final time and he
just doesn't He's just like, yeah, listen, I don't care.
You're gonna do what you're gonna do, and it is
what it is, and that's the one that passes and
he ends up becoming free and all that stuff in
the movie goes on and on.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Like the reference.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
No, no, listen, there's certain scenes in ournt appropriate a
pretty long movie.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
So I'm sure to take a you know a few more.
But my point is of you using references from the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, but my point is, Yeah, my point is when
Jeffrey Lorie gives his speech and he equates it to
a teenage boy's wet dream, I wonder if that was his.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Sorry, go ahead, bar I said, no, that's your point.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Okay, So when he's still what you do sometimes, okay, right, gotcha? Yeah,
So when he when he references that it's a teenage
boy's wet dream, I wonder if that's Jeffrey Lorie just
saying screw it. You guys want to move away from this,
that's fine. I'm gonna let it fly here. We're gonna
bring an ex players, and whatever happens happens. And I
wonder if he's shocked that it actually got got through
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and didn't get banned. I wonder if they're looking at
this whole thing, how did this happen?
Speaker 7 (29:06):
Can I ask this though, is that play in your
minds that important to the success of the Eagles winning
a Super Bowl? I mean, do they feel like he's
so impassionate about it that if they don't have this
play they can't win another Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Is that where they're at?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
I mean, that's how it comes off, does it not?
Speaker 4 (29:24):
That's how it comes off.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
But I made that point and previous conversations about the
Tush push. It's not like they run the play from
start to finish. And I heard I heard it mentioned
that Kelsey said, oh, we we should run that play
every play like that's something that or whatever it was
that was stated, like, I would run it every play
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if we could. You're not going to be able to
win a game. If you run that play every single play,
it's like a two yard it's like a one to
two yard play. So due to math, people, if you
do it four times, you end up with eight to
nine yards. You're gonna come up short. If you try
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to do a toush push touch pushes aren't giving you
four four yards, they're not giving you three and a half.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Maybe it'll give you three yards.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Now, if if you're saying it's gonna give you three yards,
then then have at it. If you want to have
the stress and the pressure of how your team feels
on fourth down when it's uh, it's it's fourth and one,
it's isn't it wouldn't it be fourth and one? Three,
sixth nine be fourth and one? And you're gonna try
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to do that hoping that you average three yards a play,
three to four yards a play. It doesn't sound feasible.
It actually sounds dumb, honestly, if we're being honest, it's
not a sustainable play. It's a it's a short yardage play.
And again, if if you're going up against a team
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like the Philadelphia Eagles, you know you have an offense too.
For one, and we always said because to me. Patrick
Mahomes is a toush push. When I played, you know,
guys like Peyton Manning, he was a toush push. There
were guys that were cheat codes on the football field,
a few of them, not many, but there were cheat codes,
and and you know what, like keep them off the field.
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That was our thing, keep the offense off the field.
Best defense is keeping them off of the field. So
your offense needs to assist you on those things. Put
points on the board and you go from there. You
play the game. I mean, don't get away from the
idea of what the NFL represents. It's the highest level
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of what competition.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Get out there and freaking compete.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
That's what really should be being discussed here is that
we're talking about right now. Like we're like so gung
ho on trying to get rid of that play, get
rid of that one play, but there's so many other
plays that.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
You have to compete on. Compete.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
If you don't want to deal with them touch pushing,
you figure out a defense that keeps them from getting
to fourth and.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Short, third and short. I do find it interesting. Earlier
in this segment, I thought you were against it. Now
I feel like you're like, well, you got to compete.
It's just one play. It's not that significant. It's I think.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I don't think there should be a touch push. Okay,
but I don't have a problem with it. And the
only reason why I don't think there should be a
touch push in particular, again is because I don't believe
you should be able to assist the ball carrier.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
I do not.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
That's where that's well to me. That's where my line
is drawn. Do not assist the ball carrier.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
I've said from day one.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
If the reason why you stopped enforcing what was the
rule was purely because you didn't feel like you could
consistently officiate it, that's a terrible reason to stop implementing
or stop enforcing a rule, which that's what it was.
That is what the justification is from Dean Blandino and
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the others as to why they stopped this rule in
the first place. So it is fun to watch Matt
and Regiac like they started this back in two thousand
and five against us.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
They had a victory lap yesterday. One other quick thing
I just.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Say about this is that speech you talked about Jonas
with Jeffrey Lorie.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
It kind of goes to show you.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Maybe d him and Nick Sirianni are more cut from
the same craft, Like maybe that's why there was this
whole thought that he was in the hot seat.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
And now looking back on it, it's like, no, no,
he wasn't. He probably never was.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
I'm sure all the antety the way Nick Sirianni presents
himself too, they love each other because they're both passionate
about the game, passionate about how.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
They feel about the sport of football.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
I think they're probably more similar than they are different,
And he probably sees a little bit of himself in
Nick Sirianni, their head coach too. When you read through
and listen to what that that speech sounded like.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
The teenage boys wet dream.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
That's the analogy he goes with at an owner's meeting
with women in a.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
What are you doing dude?
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Is that when it takes place? And how many do
you have? I feel like there's more like there should
have been. Instead of chastising him, I think there should
have been follow up questions to that. You know, right,
what do you have going on as a as a teenager?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Buddy? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:28):
What's what's the cutoff point? Like when you're hitting, and
what's the starting what's the starting point? I thought it
was like when you hit puberty. What's what age is puberty?
Like twelve thirteen? Yeah, that so I guess that is right?
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Teenage? Okay, yeah, that's teenage.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
By the way, do you think first play of the
season Eagles open up Thursday night football? First play on offense?
Did they do the toush push.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Just to be amazing to everybody? The formation? Just just
to stuff everyone else with it?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Just the first play of the season and f you
to the lead.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
But then you got to deal with a pissed off
defense for no reason. Bike, So you're gonna do that
with us?
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Like, all right, do that to me? You do that
to me.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
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Speaker 3 (35:42):
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Speaker 2 (35:54):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up top next hour a little over ten minutes from now,
we are going to take a look back at some
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place in the NFL this upcoming season. Besides just the
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it is time for the tire rack Play of the day.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Two point games. Six seconds to go.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Haliburton driving, he's in the lane, he nearly lost, and
he backs up and unloads a three.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
That did not happen. It hit the back of the rim, hit.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Popped high into the air, and it dropped gently through
the net. So that is the Pacers Radio Network on
the call. Of course, that was actually a two because
of his giant feet, so that did not count as
a three, but nonetheless that's your tire Rack.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Play of the day there gently Tyree Saliburton.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
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Speaker 3 (37:14):
Sometimes you can't get to everything in the world of
sports or entertainment. Good thing, the guys are here to
bring you in case you missed it.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
And for that we turn it over to our executive producer,
Lee did Lap.
Speaker 9 (37:28):
Good morning everybody, Good morning Jonas, Good morning Brady, good
morning LeVar. Guys, in case you miss this, we might
be seeing a return to one number for a player,
that being Raiders kicker Daniel Carlson. He is giving his
number number two to Ashton genty, new running back who's
been drafted uh genty paid a six figure ransom for
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the jersey number, saying it was somewhere in the ballpark
of a Mercedes gl which if you look it up,
is between one hundred and one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
So now it's expected that Daniel Carson will go back
to his number eight, which he done for the first
two years there for the readers, one hundred and fifty
k for a jersey.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
Yeah, it wasn't that like a donation or something that
charity involved in this league?
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Yes, parts of I don't know that.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
A ransom is the best way of describing him.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
Donating money to a charity in exchange for a number.
Speaker 9 (38:17):
Well, he did say that it was a portion of
the money was going to be going to the other
portions of ransom.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
What he was going to hire Liam Neeson to come
out and like get his this jersey number back because Carlson's.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
Holding it ransom there, you know, holding it hostage.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, yeah, i'd say it's a ransom.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
I think it's fair, but yeah, you broke you probably
you're you're probably trying to describe this.
Speaker 6 (38:43):
That it's not a ransom.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Hey buddy, you know, yes, number two definitely wasn't a
number connected to Lee, and earlier in the day, maybe
add another to one that he too kept Lee ransom.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Hey, Lamar, how did you know based on one text
that that he had been bending the elbow a little bit?
Speaker 4 (39:07):
How'd you know? You know what it was?
Speaker 5 (39:08):
I was sitting there just randomly, like doing my whole
look through my phone type deal, and I saw like
him having a battle with himself on our text threat,
Like he sent a message, then he I don't know,
he tried to unsend it, and then he tried to
edit it, and there was just all kinds of things
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going through, you know, Lee's mind at that moment. And
my response was Lee's fried
Two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with
you here. Coming up on this Thursday edition, an all
time gag job at MSG by the New York Knicks
last night and the Pacers go up one nothing in
the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We will discuss.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We're also going to talk about the passing of Jim Ursay,
what he meant to the NFL, what he meant to
the city of Indianapolis, and a little bit about his
background that a lot of people may not be aware of.
We will discuss the tush push debate, the argument that
ensued apparently Jeffrey Lourie, the Eagles owner, offended some people
there in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We'll get into all.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
That for you here, and we'll also discuss it more
with the Great Albert Breer, who's going to stop by. Plus,
we've got another edition of In case you missed it,
We've got a weird rule that the NFL is allowing
to happen next year that still doesn't make a whole
hell of a lot of sense. And we've got another
edition of Lee's Leftovers. It's all yours coming up next here.
Two Pros and a cup of Joe on a Thursday,
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Speaker 3 (00:55):
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Speaker 1 (01:13):
Oh Stadio.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Mm hm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Here on Fox Sports Radio last night, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Jonas Knox with you. You can listen to this show
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appreciate it. We'll be taking you all the way up
until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. And I
have a question to ask both of you, if you
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don't mind, because you got to help me out with this.
Does the g in MSG stand for gag? Because what
a gag job that was by the Knicks last night.
Dynamite job, folks, Way to go, way to celebrate and
climb stuff in the streets to Manhattan after advancing past
the second round for the first time in one hundred
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and eighty five years or whatever it was.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Way to go, A way to follow that up with
your home crowd last night? What the hell was that
the store?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
The storyline touched on Reggie Miller, you know, and he
is a part of the original gag Job, So there
you go.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
You know, I do love the fact that. I do
love the fact though that it felt like.
Speaker 7 (02:25):
You were watching that that I don't want to say rivalry,
but that game again, I mean, Tyrese Haliburton knew exactly what.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
He was doing when he hit that shot.
Speaker 7 (02:34):
That seemed miraculous, the way it bounced, the way he
took the shot. But unbelievable come back. I mean once
they once they tied it up. I mean I don't
know how you guys felt, but I was like, this
game's over. The Indian Appolis is going to win this
in overtime if this thing holds true.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
So it was unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (02:53):
But this Pacers team, I think we've underestimated, at least
I've underestimated all throughout the playoffs. I did not think
that they're a team that was going to be able
to make it to the NB Finals, even could win it.
Now I feel like they're a team you just can't
count them out.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I mean, Ay Smith hit those eight those A threes,
I'm not going I think the Knicks underestimated some aspects
of the Pacers and I don't know if the way
the Pacers won that game, I don't know how sustainable
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that is, but it I mean, it definitely is entertainment.
It made it an entertaining game. I mean, there was
a lot of excitement. You know, Madison Square Garden was rocking,
and they ended up letting it get away, man. And
I mean, I just don't know how feasible it is
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if I'm the New York Knicks to look at that
loss as as a catalyst for the rest of the series.
But if I'm the Indiana Pacers, how are they viewing
the game? Like I think this is one of those
games where it's like, Okay, you got out of the
first game, and you won that first game in a
hostile environment, and you overcame improbable type of odds, I mean,
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being down as far as they were to be able
to climb back into the game, which now again goes
back to the whole conversation of live by the deep ball,
died by the deep ball. They were able to find
the rim, they kept leaving them open to shoot shoot
the ball, and Naysmith continue to make it. And so
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that's I'm certain that's an adjustment that the Knicks can
make you know you're not. I doubt we're going to
see Naysmith hit thirty points maybe ever again in this series.
But Halliburton delivered. He delivered what he has generally delivered
and was able to send the game into overtime and
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they were able to win the game. But I do
not think they were the better team in the game.
And so it'll be interesting to see how how the
series continues to unfold, because again, that could be considered
to be one of those demoralizing victories or demoralizing losses
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to to.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
The New York Knicks.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
But in game one, it shouldn't be a demoralizing victory
because if I'm if I'm the Knicks, if I'm the coach,
I'm walking away from it. I'm saying we clearly were
the better team, and some lapses in judgment in terms
of maybe how they played defense, you know, uh you
know you could hear you know, uh, Chuck and and
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Shaq and Draymond. Draymond was kind of throwing it like, hey, look,
you know that was an adjustment that they should have made.
They should have they shouldn't have sacrificed something to do
something I forget how he explained it. But I guess it's,
you know, slipping and switching. They weren't switching or slipping
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the picks that were taking place to free Naysmith up.
So you know, I don't know. I think those are
adjustments that they can make and maybe make it a
better game, you better series moving forward.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
You're not alarmed by how they lost that game moving forward.
I mean, Shack was making the point when Nie Smith
hit two and then three and then four, it was like, okay, well,
at some point somebody's gonna have to address that. They
missed free throws down the stretch. Their defense completely fell
apart late, and Tibbs is a defensive guy. Like I
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looked at last night's game and I'm like, that might
have been the series. I swear to god that might
have been.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
They just lost.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
They just lost home court on an all time collapse,
on an all time collapse. And for the record, Indiana
has been better than many people of it have thought
or realized for a long time. You can go back
to last year when they were in the Eastern Conference Finals.
They were here last year and got swept by the Celtics,
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and if you go back and watch that series. They
were in every one of those games like they were competitive.
They probably should have won the first game there. This
is a really good team. They're really deep. They're much
deeper than the Knicks are. They're the Eastern Conference equivalent
I think of the OKC Thunder. I don't think there
is good but last night was problematic for the Knicks.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
If it's me, I think the irony to this team
is they remind me a little bit of the twenty
four team, which was the last time they won an
Eastern Conference Finals game, if you think about that. But
obviously Halliburton fits the bill of what Reggie Miller was
as a shooting guard. And then you kind of look
through some of the other pieces they had on that team,
and Steven Jackson, I don't know who you if you
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want to compare him to Nis Smith, there's something else,
Ermaine O'Neil you could maybe compare.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
To some of those.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
But it's like the pieces of this team seem to
match up somewhat similarly back to that team twenty one
years ago and the way they were able to play.
So I look at it and just say, it's weird
how history tends to repeat itself. But you couldn't have
found a better player, at least this early in his
career in Tyrusaliburt. And who's kind of fit that bill
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of what Reggie Miller was to the Inaniana Pacers. At
least he's a three point shooter. By the way, when
he made that shot and turn around and did the
choking gesture, he turned and pointed, was was Spike Lee
at the game last night?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
You think he was pointing at Reggie because Reggie Miller
was calling the game.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
Okay, because it looked like he pointed more not towards
the middle of the court where Reggie would have been,
but more like to another spot on the court.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
It looked like he was pointing the more rare Spike
Lee would have been. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
I guess like definitely would have been there.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
Though That's what I'm saying is it didn't. Initially it
looked like he kind of looked over at Reggie, but
then he pointed more like off the side and where
like a guy like Spike Lee would be sitting on
the on the you know court size.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So Halliburton actually spoke afterwards about the gesture. I was
not familiar with the term or a farming. But apparently
that's the thing. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
I wasn't like plotting out or anything.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
I just everybody wanted me to do it, like last
year at some different point.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
But it's just gotta just gotta feel right, and it
felt right the time.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
If I would have known it was A two, I
would not have done it. So I think I might
have wasted it.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (09:25):
If I do it again, then I might be people
might say I'm like or farming, So I'm not a
I don't plan on using it again.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
What a great moment, man, by the way of tracing
you or a farm by the way a little bit?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Do you think?
Speaker 5 (09:36):
So?
Speaker 6 (09:37):
You definitely tried to a something that takes which which
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
How the proclamation you just made about the Indiana Pacers
after that win, how that's not a pick.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
You've basically already said what the rest of the series is
going to be.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
I mean, listen, I knew I knew it was coming,
didn't though, better late than never?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Hey, Pacers plus four and a half, never in doubt,
Never in doubt. That was easy money all the way
through a full fledged bank heist there at Madison Square
Garden and by the way, if Tracy Morgan is throwing
up on the floor on the floor during just a calm,
casual game, what was he doing last night?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Like Lee?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Do you have any updates on Tracy Morgan blowing chunks
on the court there at MSG based on what he
saw from his team working on it, but nothing yet time.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Do we have any updates on Lee? By the way?
And just how Lee is doing after his wonder day yesterday?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
LaVar spotted it via text.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yah, yeah, I'm doing next. I don't know what you're
talking about.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Okay, just fine.
Speaker 9 (10:42):
It was a little delivery Wednesday, but uh all was good.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
On just fine, just a little Les Turner should be
should be mentioned? Uh his name hasn't been mentioned. He
I think he is if they are going to win,
He's going to be just as much a key part
of this team winning as even almost as Halliburton. I
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think that that is. He is the player that makes
the difference for Halliburton to be who Halliburton is, which
is the star of the team, which is the the
batman of the team. But I tell you what, he
is a super valuable player to to the cause of
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the Indiana Pacers and it'll be interesting to see can
he maintain because he shot really well yesterday and he
was knocking down some some pretty you know, pretty important
shots for them, and it keeps it keeps the the
Knicks honest, It kept their defense honest. It kept them
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in in some cases, I mean, it kept them in
striking distance and gave them opportunities. So, you know, Miles,
he deserves some some credit and and and some you know,
obviously some some acknowledgment of what his part in the
game was. I think he's actually the longest tenured Indiana
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pacer in the history of the franchise. I believe that
that interesting. I guess, like trivia for for Miles Turner
is I believe so I believe he could be looked
that up Lee. I would could be the longest tenured
Indiana pacer.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I would have said Rick Smith's, uh maybe.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Regie, you know, like the guys have been there the longest.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I would I I think I'm right, But but I
definitely think that he deserves, uh some you know, some credit.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Reggie had eighteen seasons, Miles has ten.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
There's something, there's something longest something, there's something there he broke.
He broke some type of record in terms of longest something.
But anyway, yeah, I'm off, but longest tenured player on
the Indiana Pacers, having spent ten seasons with the team
(13:19):
that was drafted.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
In two Yeah. Currently, yeah, there we go to that effect.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
We should. We should also mention.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
The passing of Jim Mercy, obviously speaking of Indianapolis, the
Colts owner passing away, which I think caught everybody by surprise,
but it was appropriate. He sent one final tweet before
passing away, saying go Pacers, good luck to her, the
entire Pacers organization, and our city. And then according to
the Colts, he passed away peacefully in his sleep. So
(13:51):
kind of an emotional rollercoaster for the city of Indianapolis,
for the fan base of both those teams. But you know,
at least they got they got a happy ending at
the end with the win last night. But anything I've
ever heard about Jim Mersay, I've heard nothing but good things,
like and he's a little bit of a little bit
of a wild man, And there was all sorts of
(14:13):
stories about him that came out through the media over
the past several years. But I can remember having a
conversation with Jeffrey Gorman who worked here and did a
show with Steve Gorman for years. And Jeffrey was close
to the Colts organization, did stuff with the Colts organization,
and he was close with Jim Mersay and he always
told me great dude, like great guy.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Anybody who ever came.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
In contact with him was a big fan of Jim
Mersay and the way he operated.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So kind of sad to.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
See this guy loved Indianapolis, you know, he really did.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
He loved his organization, He loved the Colts and football,
he loved the Pacers though he was a sports fan.
And you know, talking to some of the people within
the organization this past year for that final game of
the season, you know, there's a lot of conversation about
what was going to happen to Chris Pallard could potentially have
a Shane Stike and based on how maybe the final
game went or how the season had gone, and just
(15:06):
talking with everyone there, you got a sense that, you
know a couple of things.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Obviously the condition of Jimmer.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
We've got some technical difficulties with Brady there, but yeah, do.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
You want to say this having gained a tree leaning
country boot wearing Songbird yesterday. So there's that. Yeah, you know,
that's that's that should be noted that Jill Mersey, I'm
certain will be singing or is already singing some of
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his songs.
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All of it is yours here on this three hour extravaganza.
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Speaker 4 (16:40):
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Speaker 6 (16:48):
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To pro Zan, a cup of Joe, Lavrady and.
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Joan it's you cause it's you, pro and a cup
of jokes shout out to Moncey Bananas.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Can we take that part out? I agree, Yeah, just
h we'll get rid of that part there. It is
two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I don't know. I'm assuming Mancy.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Blogos, but I'm not sure. I don't know, not totally sure.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
But it's a little odd that nickname for Monci.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I don't know, never heard it before. By the way,
coming up in about twenty minutes from now, we are
going to have a discussion about somebody getting paid in
the NFL, but not for what you think it is,
all right, this is a different type of payment. We'll
get into that for you here on FSR. So we've
been speculating about what's going to happen with this tush
(17:58):
push boat. Felt like, hey listen, and they were split.
They're gonna nudge it over and then they're just gonna
change everything, and you're not gonna be able to tug
or push and pull and all that stuff, and they'll
just do away with it because people think the Eagles
have an unfair advantage. And then all of a sudden.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
It doesn't. The Tush Push stays alive.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yesterday, at the owner's meetings in Minnesota, the owners voted
twenty two to ten against the Tush Push. The problem is,
you need twenty four yes is in order for it
to get changed. It didn't happen. The Tush Push stays,
but according to Seth Wickersham of ESPN, things got a
(18:41):
little heated at times. This from his article yesterday quote
Eagles owner Jeffrey Lourie made an impassioned speech in defense
of the play. The Eagles and the NFL declined comment,
but sources close to Lorie told ESPN that he had
seen reports from earlier in the day that the Tush
Push was going to be banned, so he just figured
theds of the play survival were long. Toward the end
(19:02):
of the speech that lasted close to an hour, Laurie
made an analogy, telling the room that regardless of whether
the play was banned, it was a win win for
the Eagles, adding that it was like a wet dream
for a teenage boy to create a play that was
so successful that the only way for it to be
stopped was for it to be banned. After Lourie finished speaking,
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Executive vice President of Football Operations Troy Vincent chasta as
the Eagles owner for the wet dream comment, specifically for
saying it in front of women in the meeting. Laurie
spoke for several more minutes, adding that whoever voted to
ban the play would be taking liability for putting quarterbacks
at risk. He criticized NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and Vincent
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for advocating for the ban, adding that he had spoken
to NFL Chief Medical Officer Alan Sills at length about
the play. They even brought in Jason Kelsey to speak
about it, saying I would have kept playing if we
could run the tush push every single down we had the.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Ball, etc.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Etc.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
The Philadelphia Eagles walked in there and assuming the thing
was going to get banned, laid it all out on
the table, And are the Kings of the NFL in
the offseason and they get their way?
Speaker 7 (20:14):
How much did Jason Kelsey get paid to go out
there and speak on behalf of the Eagles because he
seemed like the most miserable player who has ever been
a part of running that play. But I've got more
questions than anything else in regards to this entire process
this offseason with the NFL.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
The first being and we had talked about.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
This earlier when the news came out that I believe
it was the Green Bay Packers who had submitted the
proposal to ban the push push and the verbage and
how they were doing it. And then later on we
find out the NFL was actually the one behind the
scenes pushing Green Bay to submit this to try to
make this change. So you already knew there was one
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team that was against it. Now you start to kind
of look into a twenty two to ten vote, and
according to Adam Schefter, obviously the Eagles were in favor,
the Ravens were in favor of it, the Cleveland Browns,
Detroit Lions, Jaguars, Dolphins, Patriots, Saints, Jets, Titans. If you'll
notice something, there's not one NFC East team in there,
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and in fact, outside of the Saints and Lions, everyone
else besides the Eagles, which you'd assume they'd vote for
is from the AFC and they don't have to see
the touch push quite as often. So clearly there's some
sentiment from the NFC against all of this. I just
(21:37):
wonder why it had to be the Packers. Why can't
the NFL, whether it's Roger Goodell or Troy Vincent, come
out and say, hey, we don't like it for these reasons.
I mean, for all we know, they could have data
that supports pulling fans, or maybe they're pulling from a
reaction on X where fans don't like that the Toush
push play and so they feel like this is bad
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for the product.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Move moving forward.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Obviously it's not banned, so it doesn't matter, and it's
moving forward. But I do wonder how it got to
this point, and why did Jeffrey LORII has to make
such an impassioned speech because he feels like someone's going
behind his back.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Don't you guys think that the Packers look bad in
this whole thing, especially now that it didn't work because
the NFL really well, because the NFL nudged them into
doing this, and according to a report, the Packers didn't
even really care about it that much. But the NFL,
much like they did with the Lions, and hey, you know,
propose this new playoff format. They sent the Packers out
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there to be the bad guy, so to speak, and
now it doesn't get passed and they're the ones that
have to wear it when they didn't even really care
about it that much anyways.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
If the NFL, I don't think.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
They're wearing it though, Like this is more about to me,
the Philadelphia Eagles, the touch push, what they've created, what
they're still trying to keep in. I mean, twenty two
other teams agree with them, or twenty one other teams
excuse me, and the NFL for that matter, So it's
not like they're on the wrong side of this. Unfortunately,
do the that the NFL has created for themselves and
changing these It's not a simple majority, and because of
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that you look at it and say, all right, like
who else is on the fence that voted for keeping it?
Speaker 6 (23:10):
But a year from now that could change.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I think what makes it interesting is that it's the
team that actually won the Super Bowl that is able
to execute the play in such a way that you
can't stop it. You know, they lost the year before
the does the tush push have as much, you know,
I guess momental more validity to attack it and want
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to do away with it. Not being able to win
the Super Bowl, in fact, having a such a slide
at the end of the season where it called for
Nick Sirianni the head coach, to actually be on the
hot seat as the coach of the team, and then
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fast forward they do win the Super Bowl and now
you're back in the meeting rooms for vote. I wonder
will this be a Will this be a ticket on
the docket every single year until it gets banned? That's
what it makes me wonder, because I don't think that
there will be this.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
This won't be a.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Put to rest situation. I honestly think that it'll be something.
I don't know how the politics of it unfold or
how it's handled at the meetings where they vote on
these things with the Competition Committee, But I just wonder,
will this be an ongoing fight or war or battle
(24:47):
or whatever it may be to do away with it again?
For me as a defender and somebody who has an
affinity for the defensive side of the ball, I think
because the pushing pooling is connected to this whole touch
push play. My my feeling after it was ruled you know,
(25:10):
to be still you know legal to do is again
this this still allows for you to push in pool
players in other situations, and I think that that needs
to be at some point, it needs to be done
away with. I do not think that that is football
when you're able to hit a player from behind and
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push them forward. I do not feel like assisting a
ball carrier in any way if you're another player is
first safe. If we're saying that this is something that
the NFL really leans into, is the safety of the players.
That's not a safe approach to the game. It's just
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not and I don't think that it belongs in the game.
I think that once a ball carrier is is impeded
and their forward progress is clearly stopped, then the play
should be over. Not another player grabbing on to them,
latching on and pulling them forward, or another guy, you know,
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plowing into the pow and plowing into the ball carrier
and pushing the ball carrier forward and aiding the player
to go forward. And even if it's a quarterback keeper,
there shouldn't be an alignment where that person is in
perfect position to run behind the ball carrier and aid
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them and going forward, I just don't think that that's
footballs and I think it's dangerous. So that debate will,
i'm certain, continue to be a debate moving forward. And
while I don't have an issue against the push push
per se, I do have an issue with what I
just discussed.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
So Falcon CEO Rich McKay, he spoke about whether or
not he was dissap pointed that the Toush push was
not banned yesterday.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
It's not disappointing for me, for our committee, for the
committees that did the work, because it takes twenty four
votes to pass anything, and that is not and we
don't set a low bar, and this one, this was
unanimously proposed by the Competition Committee, unanimously proposed by the
Player Helping Safety Committee, and by the Owner Helping Safety Committee.
(27:25):
So there's a lot of support for it, a lot
of discussion about it. I've been in that room numerous
times where we've had these types of discussions and one
team really you know, ends up being in their mind more.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Impacted than others.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
But it still takes twenty four votes, and in this
case those votes were not there.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Do you guys, remember the movie Shashank when they kept
bringing red in Morgan Freeman, they kept them.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Do you love referencing shots?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, anyone else wants to know, because there's a scene
where he comes in and he's having his parole hearing
and then finally gets to his final time and he
just doesn't He's just like, yeah, listen, I don't care.
You're gonna do what you're gonna do, and it is
what it is, and that's the one that passes and
he ends up becoming free and all that stuff in
the movie goes on and on.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Like the reference.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
No, no, listen, there's certain scenes in ournt appropriate a
pretty long movie.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
So I'm sure to take a you know a few more.
But my point is of you using references from the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, but my point is, Yeah, my point is when
Jeffrey Lorie gives his speech and he equates it to
a teenage boy's wet dream, I wonder if that was his.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Sorry, go ahead, bar I said, no, that's your point.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Okay, So when he's still what you do sometimes, okay, right, gotcha? Yeah,
So when he when he references that it's a teenage
boy's wet dream, I wonder if that's Jeffrey Lorie just
saying screw it. You guys want to move away from this,
that's fine. I'm gonna let it fly here. We're gonna
bring an ex players, and whatever happens happens. And I
wonder if he's shocked that it actually got got through
(29:01):
and didn't get banned. I wonder if they're looking at
this whole thing, how did this happen?
Speaker 7 (29:06):
Can I ask this though, is that play in your
minds that important to the success of the Eagles winning
a Super Bowl? I mean, do they feel like he's
so impassionate about it that if they don't have this
play they can't win another Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Is that where they're at?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
I mean, that's how it comes off, does it not?
Speaker 4 (29:24):
That's how it comes off.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
But I made that point and previous conversations about the
Tush push. It's not like they run the play from
start to finish. And I heard I heard it mentioned
that Kelsey said, oh, we we should run that play
every play like that's something that or whatever it was
that was stated, like, I would run it every play
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if we could. You're not going to be able to
win a game. If you run that play every single play,
it's like a two yard it's like a one to
two yard play. So due to math, people, if you
do it four times, you end up with eight to
nine yards. You're gonna come up short. If you try
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to do a toush push touch pushes aren't giving you
four four yards, they're not giving you three and a half.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Maybe it'll give you three yards.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Now, if if you're saying it's gonna give you three yards,
then then have at it. If you want to have
the stress and the pressure of how your team feels
on fourth down when it's uh, it's it's fourth and one,
it's isn't it wouldn't it be fourth and one? Three,
sixth nine be fourth and one? And you're gonna try
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to do that hoping that you average three yards a play,
three to four yards a play. It doesn't sound feasible.
It actually sounds dumb, honestly, if we're being honest, it's
not a sustainable play. It's a it's a short yardage play.
And again, if if you're going up against a team
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like the Philadelphia Eagles, you know you have an offense too.
For one, and we always said because to me. Patrick
Mahomes is a toush push. When I played, you know,
guys like Peyton Manning, he was a toush push. There
were guys that were cheat codes on the football field,
a few of them, not many, but there were cheat codes,
and and you know what, like keep them off the field.
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That was our thing, keep the offense off the field.
Best defense is keeping them off of the field. So
your offense needs to assist you on those things. Put
points on the board and you go from there. You
play the game. I mean, don't get away from the
idea of what the NFL represents. It's the highest level
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of what competition.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Get out there and freaking compete.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
That's what really should be being discussed here is that
we're talking about right now. Like we're like so gung
ho on trying to get rid of that play, get
rid of that one play, but there's so many other
plays that.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
You have to compete on. Compete.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
If you don't want to deal with them touch pushing,
you figure out a defense that keeps them from getting
to fourth and.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Short, third and short. I do find it interesting. Earlier
in this segment, I thought you were against it. Now
I feel like you're like, well, you got to compete.
It's just one play. It's not that significant. It's I think.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I don't think there should be a touch push. Okay,
but I don't have a problem with it. And the
only reason why I don't think there should be a
touch push in particular, again is because I don't believe
you should be able to assist the ball carrier.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
I do not.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
That's where that's well to me. That's where my line
is drawn. Do not assist the ball carrier.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
I've said from day one.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
If the reason why you stopped enforcing what was the
rule was purely because you didn't feel like you could
consistently officiate it, that's a terrible reason to stop implementing
or stop enforcing a rule, which that's what it was.
That is what the justification is from Dean Blandino and
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the others as to why they stopped this rule in
the first place. So it is fun to watch Matt
and Regiac like they started this back in two thousand
and five against us.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
They had a victory lap yesterday. One other quick thing
I just.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Say about this is that speech you talked about Jonas
with Jeffrey Lorie.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
It kind of goes to show you.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Maybe d him and Nick Sirianni are more cut from
the same craft, Like maybe that's why there was this
whole thought that he was in the hot seat.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
And now looking back on it, it's like, no, no,
he wasn't. He probably never was.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
I'm sure all the antety the way Nick Sirianni presents
himself too, they love each other because they're both passionate
about the game, passionate about how.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
They feel about the sport of football.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
I think they're probably more similar than they are different,
And he probably sees a little bit of himself in
Nick Sirianni, their head coach too. When you read through
and listen to what that that speech sounded like.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
The teenage boys wet dream.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
That's the analogy he goes with at an owner's meeting
with women in a.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
What are you doing dude?
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Is that when it takes place? And how many do
you have? I feel like there's more like there should
have been. Instead of chastising him, I think there should
have been follow up questions to that. You know, right,
what do you have going on as a as a teenager?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Buddy? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:28):
What's what's the cutoff point? Like when you're hitting, and
what's the starting what's the starting point? I thought it
was like when you hit puberty. What's what age is puberty?
Like twelve thirteen? Yeah, that so I guess that is right?
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Teenage? Okay, yeah, that's teenage.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
By the way, do you think first play of the
season Eagles open up Thursday night football? First play on offense?
Did they do the toush push.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Just to be amazing to everybody? The formation? Just just
to stuff everyone else with it?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Just the first play of the season and f you
to the lead.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
But then you got to deal with a pissed off
defense for no reason. Bike, So you're gonna do that
with us?
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Like, all right, do that to me? You do that
to me.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
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Speaker 3 (35:42):
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Speaker 2 (35:54):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
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we are going to take a look back at some
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place in the NFL this upcoming season. Besides just the
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Speaker 9 (37:28):
Good morning everybody, Good morning Jonas, Good morning Brady, good
morning LeVar. Guys, in case you miss this, we might
be seeing a return to one number for a player,
that being Raiders kicker Daniel Carlson. He is giving his
number number two to Ashton genty, new running back who's
been drafted uh genty paid a six figure ransom for
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the jersey number, saying it was somewhere in the ballpark
of a Mercedes gl which if you look it up,
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So now it's expected that Daniel Carson will go back
to his number eight, which he done for the first
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k for a jersey.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
Yeah, it wasn't that like a donation or something that
charity involved in this league?
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Yes, parts of I don't know that.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
A ransom is the best way of describing him.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
Donating money to a charity in exchange for a number.
Speaker 9 (38:17):
Well, he did say that it was a portion of
the money was going to be going to the other
portions of ransom.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
What he was going to hire Liam Neeson to come
out and like get his this jersey number back because Carlson's.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
Holding it ransom there, you know, holding it hostage.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, yeah, i'd say it's a ransom.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
I think it's fair, but yeah, you broke you probably
you're you're probably trying to describe this.
Speaker 6 (38:43):
That it's not a ransom.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Hey buddy, you know, yes, number two definitely wasn't a
number connected to Lee, and earlier in the day, maybe
add another to one that he too kept Lee ransom.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Hey, Lamar, how did you know based on one text
that that he had been bending the elbow a little bit?
Speaker 4 (39:07):
How'd you know? You know what it was?
Speaker 5 (39:08):
I was sitting there just randomly, like doing my whole
look through my phone type deal, and I saw like
him having a battle with himself on our text threat,
Like he sent a message, then he I don't know,
he tried to unsend it, and then he tried to
edit it, and there was just all kinds of things
(39:28):
going through, you know, Lee's mind at that moment. And
my response was Lee's fried
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