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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you hair. Coming
up on this Football Friday, We've got actual football to discuss.
The Hall of Fame game is in the books, and
boy oh boy to Trey Lance put on a show,
well kind of is he actually going to get a
real opportunity in the NFL? We will discuss. We're also
going to discuss Dan Campbell not happy with his team's performance.
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We've got knee jerk reactions, some would say we've got
Lee jerk reactions, all of it surrounding the Hall of
Fame game last night in Canton. Plus, we're going to
talk about whether or not Terry McLaurin actually really wants
a trade out of Washington. Old School is back. You
better be fit kids, We've got the proof. We've got
another edition of the Topic Roundup. We're going to talk
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misery when it comes to the Las Vegas Raiders. Plus,
we've got another edition of Incase You mist It, and
we've got Lee's leftovers. It's all yours coming up next here,
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And I don't know about you, guys, but I'm ready
to knee jerk the s out of what happened last night.
Wait at the Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You're ready to jerk what happened last night?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So I'm ready, man, that.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Would be your style.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Jonas dang right, Yeah, one game in the books, Yeah, yeah,
counts for me. Yeah. I don't know exactly.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
The Chargers, Yeah, yes, you did. You said that. You
said the Chargers are charging up, charging up, bolt up.
They hit that over though I didn't think they hit
that over.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah they did.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I mean the Chargers hit the over on their own.
I mean, Detroit didn't help them very much, all right.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
It didn't help them very much on that over, but hey,
they contributed.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
All right, I'll say this right now, Detroit stinks. They're
the worst team in football.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Do we want to go through our knee druk reactions?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Let's go there it is.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
I'm ready, there it is.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
There's a first. In fact, I'll tell you we don't
even need we don't even need imaging for this. All right,
I'll tell you right now. My power rankings are in
Detroit's dead last.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
All right.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
The Chargers are one, Detroit's two. The Lions are awful,
and it's all. This was was a bit.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Chargers are number one.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, in my power rankings right now in the preseason,
I got the faults one.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Here's my knee jerk reaction from last night's game. San
Francisco will regret not giving Lance more of a chance.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I'm in.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
I like that one. I like that one.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Uh, I don't have a My knee did not get jerked,
So I didn't have one. Now I didn't tell you anything, No,
it didn't. It held up pretty good last night. So
I just kind of looked at it as Lance was.
That was pleasant. That was pleasant. But if I was
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going to ask you if you went out last night,
would the answer be yes, I did not go out. Really,
I was at I was at I was at the Field,
which is the sports bar, in my hotel at Top Trees,
which is a golf Oh, no, resort hotel.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
You can you're staying at Top Trees.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Have they not knocked that place down and free done it? Yet?
Every year we go back there.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Yet, Oh jeez, it's old. You know, student there when
I played here.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
And it was probably nice thing, really was it was probably,
But the rooms are exactly the same.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
And think about that thirty years ago. Yeah, ninety seven
through ninety nine. They are exactly the same way. I remember.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I'm not just saying this because it's a Penn State thing.
That place is a dump. It's the worst place that
anyone stays in any college. And I'm always saying this
because every year they're like, yeah, they're gonna knock it
down and build up, you know, something like the Nitney
lion In, And I'm like, wow, i'd be great, and
we'd love to stand a place like that.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
They finally did the Nitney lion In.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Well, they finally did that. They're not working fast enough
on Top Trees.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
The graduate took over to Atherton.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
They made they somewhat eaded that one. I mean, yeah,
there's some I mean we are updating.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I gotta say we are. I gotta say Q.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
I mean all our.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Hotels, yeah, all our hotels were like nineteen eighties dorm rooms.
Guess who I interviewed yesterday? Who Kale Sanderson?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Did you that?
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Yes? I did.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
One of those cauliflower ears look like.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Oh man, he is a man. I tell you that
he had. I beat them in paper rock scissors, Buffo Caulflower.
It might be his only loss in his life.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
I just I beat him.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
That's there.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
And what a good dude.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Man, Holy smokes, blown away by how cool he was.
But anyway, if I were to compare Kale Sanderson to
some to a team like saying, Okay, this team has
that Kale Sanderson effect, I gotta tell you man, I
think that. And maybe this is a knee jerk reaction.
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I don't know, maybe it shouldn't be. I mean, the
starters didn't play, But I think the Chargers are going
to be a problem this year.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
They're going to be They could be the team that
presents the biggest issue in the AFC West.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I'm telling you this, after what I saw last night,
I trade justin Herbert today, gone gone, and you could
you could send me a bucket of Wilson's. I don't care.
Gone for what I saw with Trey Lance last night.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Okay, all right, we're going that far.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
That's knee jerk.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
The Detroit Lions are gonna regret ever allowing Ben Johnson
to leave the building. Now, there's not really much they
could have time to keep him. But in all seriousness,
that's gonna be a storyline to watch the rest of
this season. And one of the things that the media does,
it's it's completely unfair to Dan Campbell. It's unfair to
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the players, the coaching staff, it's unfit of John Morton,
who steps in as the offensive coordinator. Is we all
know their big shoes to fill, but this is your
first impression, and it's again it's unfair. It's not your starters,
it's not a normal regular season game. So he'll get
the benefit of the doubt come week one to a
do agree, depending on how the next few games look,
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because if they look at putrid on offense and if
they struggle on third down the way they did last
night to stay on the field. You're gonna you're gonna
have people who let them hear it, and the people
are gonna start questioning, you know what, what really was?
This team was just one great offensive mine scheming up plays?
Or can Jared gob still get it done? Can John
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Moore and Dan Campbell, Mark Brunell all the other offensive mindes,
Hank Freydley, who's there? Can those guys figure it out?
But that's gonna be the narrative that starts to get
shaped purely based on how last night's preseason Hall of
Fame game went. And I know people are gonna say, no,
that's not, that's not They just watch, just watch, depending
on how the rest of the preseason goes for the
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Detroit Lions, and then what the reaction is, especially when
it becomes down to chicago'st Detroit.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Who gets the better of that.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
MATCHUPO ain't gonna be too much better?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Damn Well, the same thing happened with the coordinators left
Philly and the questions about Sirianni afterwards, like I don't know,
like that would people were watching that all year because
they didn't look the same. And then you know, a
couple of years later, they're back in the super Bowl.
But Philly had the same questions about it because everyone
looked at at Sirianni and I thought he was fraudulent,
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Like there was talks about him losing his job.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
So he had storyline as Detroit, as talented an outfit
as Philadelphia to overcome replacing your coordinators. I would say no,
I would say no, I don't think I don't. I
mean you, yeah, I say, personnel wise, sticks picks, you
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can overcome a lot with talent. There's some talent on this,
this Detroit team, but I think that you have to
use the talent in Detroit.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
And I guess, I guess. The way I'm saying it
is is they're good.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I feel like you have a hard time saying it.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
I mean, I might be a little bit fat.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
So you hit me with fat tongue, all right? You know, Brady,
it was funny yesterday, but.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
It played out.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Yeah, Hey the show Brady wearing like, can can you
put thick tongue?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Assy? We're wearing that out.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
I mean, why would you bring it into today's show?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Because because I'm white, I can't use it.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Unbelievable race I can't even believe that.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I thought about me with thick tongue, and I really
was like butchering it with like thick tongue talk like
I'm with you there, but my tongue is not.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I thought about that all day yesterday. My brother, my brother,
and my nephew were driving to the airport yesterday morning
and my brother I talked to him later in the afternoon.
He said, we were laughing so hard.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Unbelievable, unbelievable. I think it's gonna take it.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
I think it's going to take more. Is what I
wanted to say before my tongue got in the way
of the words that I wanted to come out of
my mouth.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Uh, thank you, Kwame. Dang.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yeah, I think it's going to take more for Detroit
to be I am not high on Detroit being as
good as they were, you know, over the last two seasons.
I'm not they're gonna I think they're going to take
a a major step back this season. Major, not just
a step. I think it's going to be a pretty
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pretty disappointing year. Not I think they'll have a I
think they'll win. I just don't think they're gonna and listen,
they have the north on Minnesota is going to dominate.
I believe I could be wrong, McCarthy could be not
as as what we maybe hope for expected, But I
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think Minnesota is obviously the toast. But if it's not Minnesota,
it's definitely going to be green Bay. Green Bay could
take a step forward and could possibly be better than Minnesota,
just because I think Jordan Love is the best quarterback
in the division. So I don't, you know, but I
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think Detroit that that one could be. I think that
one could be a tough story, that that could be
a tough year for Detroit fans.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
If you ask, you.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Want to hear a little Dan Campbell postgame, sure not
please Hall of Fame game or not. With this team's performance.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
We have our own standards. And it doesn't matter if
you just walked in the door, or you know you've
only practiced, you know you've had ten practices. It's just,
you know, look, we got to take care of the football.
And it doesn't matter you're wearing lines gear. You got
to take care of the ball man or or it's
going to be hard to keep you around, you know.
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And and so it's a hard lesson to be learned
out here like that. But it's also you know, we
gotta we gotta put a little pressure, got to apply
a little pressure in a good way, in a good
way so that so we get better. Man, we got
to put some emergency on this. It is early, but
it's also it's never too early to get better.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Right, Yeah. I mean, the good news is it doesn't
take much to get better than that last night, because
that team's awful. They are just atrocious. So congratulations was
a hell of a run.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
But it seems like any more knee jerk reactions.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I mean, I'll say this, if they perform like that
in their next preseason game, Dan Campbell might get fired.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Might be in the hot seat. Yeah yeah, how about
this one?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Though you have fired Jim Harbaugh has taken over as
the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Whisper in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Right there you go.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I mean, I have a lot of respect for Kyle Shanahan,
who drafted Trey Lance and they couldn't really, I guess
figure out or maybe they didn't give him enough time.
I'm not It's still a conundrum to me what went
wrong with Trey Lance in San Francisco. I mean, watching
him last night, you see the tools, you see, the intilligibles.
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I know it's a preseason game. I don't want to
make too much of it, but in all seriousness, you're like, Okay,
if if at basically every other quarterback in their career
careers in your system, why not give him a little
more time.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That whole situation was just bizarre to me.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
And look, we're not going to see Trey Lance probably
after this the preseason, but good for him, like good
for him to ball out like that in a standalone
moment and have the opportunity to kind of start building
back that reputation of what he can be being a
guy who's a third overall pick.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
You know what's crazy, He really did not get an
opportunity to destroy his reputation.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
He didn't even play enough.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
I just think that he just got caught into a
bad situation, as you said, so in a way, he
could be the way he played last night. Maybe it's
not a big enough sample size to say, you know, he.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Can be great in the league, but I don't.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I don't feel as though we've seen enough of Trey
Lance to have said that he's a bust.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Away and we'll never see anything from him.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
So he's kind of resurrected a feeling like, oh snap,
Like Trey Lance was a high draft pick. Just the
circumstances got in a way. Who would think that mister
irrelevant would be the reason why I'm not with the
team that drafted me. It was some pretty extreme circumstances
that places to him in the situation he's in. So
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why not think that all these years of learning the
disappointment of what took place on how opportunities can present
themselves for one and for others it can be taken away.
I mean, it's a tale of two tapes, but he
could end up being in a situation where he resurfaces
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as a starter, because I don't know that he's even
that he has not gotten a fear shake at being
a starter. The one well, if he plays well in
this preseason, who's to say that he doesn't find a
way to start for somebody at Sam Darnold got an
opportunity to start again.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
And look at what.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Happened for Hilm.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I've always thought Trey Lance got a raw deal. I
don't know how bad it looked in practice. The only
thing I could think of, if you look at what
happened with San Francisco. If you go back, he got
a couple of starts when Garoppolo got nicked up in
his rookie year, and then his second year was supposed
to be his turn, and he played a game and
a half and the game that he started in Chicago
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was a monsoon, literally a monsoon, and then the next
week he ripped his leg up and was gone for
the rest of the year, and that was it, like clipping,
never got an opportunity again. And I always thought to
myself what happened in practice, because you didn't have a
sample size on the field in an actual game to
be like, oh, yeah, he's done, like we don't need
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hit him anymore. I've always wondered, how was it that
bad other than just what you saw in the game,
because the game, there's just not enough there to be
able to make a decision like that on a guy
that you drafted and, by the way, gave up what
three first round picks for and just walked away from
I've never thought he got a fair shot with San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Most organizations, they don't come back from that like that
head coach, that general manager are fired. It's been the
exact opposite, Lee, I want to bring you in the
conversation though you sat out an email I'm trying to
find I mean, is this just you type of this
in if I was the Saints, I trade for him, Lee?
Or do you just pull this off someone else's comments?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
No, I thought that.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
I thought, you know, he's got an opportunity to play
himself into a trading position, and who better to who
would use him than the Saints.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
If I were the Saints, I'd trade for him. You
know what I call that? I mean, I call that
a lead jerk reaction.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, yeah, let's do this.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Can we just get an update maybe on I don't know,
like the how the Saints are going down there in
training camp Jeff Duncan, who is a columnist for the
Times Pecune down there in Nola. Uh, he had said,
there you go, here's an update from yesterday's two minutes drill.
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Tyler Shuck might have overseen directed the worst two minute
drive in the history of the NFL during situational.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Work late in practice.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
So uh yeah, yeah, I think you're on something because
it sounds like that may be a need for that.
If Tyler Shuck is going to be there starting quarterback,
at least in regards to Jeff Duncan, who did I
may add, he did say, I've seen a lot of
practices in my twenty six years covering the Saints, and
today was one of the best that I can remember
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from strictly a competitive standpoint plays being made on both
sides at all levels, all over the field. Good stuff,
but then followed that up by saying, at the same time,
Tyler Schuck might have ever seen directed the worst two
minute drive in the history of the NFL during situational
work late in practice. Now being a quarterback and having
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had some disastrous two minute drives, whether that be in
practice or what have you, I would love to know
what Jeff Duncan saw to make this the single worst
of all he's seen. Like I'm not like when they
get the ball in the twenty five and they ended
up in the back of their own end zone.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Like I need to know what happened in this drive.
You can elaborate.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I mean, they want Arch like they want Arch Manny
to come home, like they so it appears maybe they're
on their way to get in their their wish there so.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Maybe Arch or maybe they want a Lance, maybe they
want a Lance.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Drew did a doctor Drew? Did Kellen Moore? Did Kellen
Moore and Trey Lance work together in Dallas?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
He might have, right, I think there might have been
some overlap there, maybe maybe not. His Lance was there
last year, so and I don't think No, I don't
think that had any actually, because it was there one
year or two years, two years.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Maybe there's a year then, yeah, because I remember we
were in Ireland when the Cowboys traded for Tree Lance.
I remember Lee and I were at a bar. Lee
was on drink number four hundred and.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
His old thick tongue. Damn well it is that's why
them away get them. He couldn't get them.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
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Speaker 3 (20:49):
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Speaker 1 (20:51):
I was just gonna mention put that in your pipe.
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that it's an important day you're on the show, because
what is it? It's a football Friday?
Speaker 9 (21:04):
Yeah, come on, come on, it's Friday, Friday, Friday.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Come on, come on.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
This is that tone that.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Put up put a get it, put a ring in
the toe, put it.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Joe Italian, Joe Italian, Italian? Yeah, Joe Talian.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Come on, let's do it. Come on Tom's on Friday morning, Friday.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Take that tone, Yeah, take the tone?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Oh thick, Okay, oh boy, what a show it is.
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So we might have a little bit of an issue
in DC. Terry McLaurin has requested a trade he'd like out.
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What requested a trade he'd like out? And this according
to our this according to are buddy Jordan Schultz. He's
looking for his deal, not happy with the way things
are progressing on a contract extension, and so Terry McLaurin
has at least publicly or at least let it get
public that he would like out of Washington. So there
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you go. I mean, no one wants to.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Ever feel underappreciated and undervalued when they've proven time and
time again that they are valuable. And I gotta say,
for as much fanfare as there's been generated since the
new ownership group has taken over this right now so far,
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is maybe the first first bad move that they're logging
as a group. I mean they have been They have
been credited with changing the culture quickly. And while I'll
say bus, this is business, so you have to understand
that they still have to operate in a business manner.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
And I get that, but let's be clear here.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
If you think for two seconds that the current roster
that they have if they were to lose McLaren McLaurin,
McLaurin that this is a better team, this is a
better situation for Jaydon Daniels going into his sophomore season.
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It's a terrible measurement of what you think this team
is if you were to allow that to happen. So
right now, while I'll say I hope that this is
just them taking their time to get the deal done
and they'll fix the relationship with Terry and they move
on from it, but him wanting a trade and thinking
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that it's okay for your best receiver and one of
your best leaders on the team and in the locker
room to not feel wanted and want to get out
of there. You don't want to fall back into bad
old habits if you're the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I mean, if you look at the roster just from
last year alone, the next closest in.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Terms of just receiving yards was Zach Er. It's at
tight end.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
So if that gives you any indication, I know they've
got Deebo Samuel, but a lot of people feel like
maybe his best days thick leg. I feel like there's
some of his best days are behind him. This to
me is purely a tactic by Terry McLaurin to try
to force Washington to do something sooner than later and
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not drag this out till week one. If you're looking
for the deadline for when this deal is gonna get done,
it's gonna be before week one, and then, by the way,
the deal will get done. I think what makes us
a little bit difficult with Terry is, and I've said
this before about some other guys who you know, weren't
drafted in the first round, and when they got their extension,
it's like it's almost like they're still trying.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
To prove themselves. You know.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Terry, after you know, his first couple of years as
a rookie, Ye're like, all right, this guy can play,
he can be the guy, and he's done everything the
organization has asked of him. So he signed that extension
off as a rookie deal, which came up sooner than
most because again it wasn't a first round pick. He's
a third round pick, and at that point in time,
you know, he was getting paid almost twenty three million
a year, which was about what that average annual value was.
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The hard thing is is we kind of find ourselves
now in a very similar spot to Trey Hendrickson in
the sense that you know, Terry's thirty, and you know
he's still going to make a good amount. This year,
his cap hits almost twenty six million, but he wants more,
and that more is going to come somewhere in the
ballpark of thirty three million per year. Thirty million per year.
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I mean, he's he's been, Don't get me wrong, He's
the number one receiver in Washington, but when you start
talking about that sort of money, you're now looking him
as a top five, top three. I mean, he'd be
the second highest paid receiver in the league if he
started going thirty three million plus a year. So that's
what makes this difficult is he's going into the last
year of his deal playing under it now, he's got
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a voidable year next year, but he'll become a free
agent and he just wants more, some long term security.
And we always talk about that ripe age of thirty.
It gets difficult for teams to make a big financial
commitment despite the fact this guy's been everything you'd hoped
you would be in Washington. So again, very similar Tree Hendrickson.
A guy who's thirty or thirty plus has proven himself
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on the field without a doubt. But now you see
two teams and Cincinnati and Washington who are a little
hesitant to show out the big bucks for it.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Can I ask you guys a question based off of
what you just said, do you have to.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Take damn.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Sorry bar Ola answered the question.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Okay, thing, So Jonas, do you have to take into
consideration with old thick tongue Brady just said about about
Terry as to how this will impact Jaydeen Daniels, Because
if I'm Washington, does thirty three million impact me better?
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If Jayde and Daniels has another stellar season or if
Jayde and Daniels takes a major step backwards seemingly a
major step backwards because there's not enough production from or
enough talent from that receiver's position. Is it better to
just eat the thirty three million? I'm basically saying, because
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you'll make it up on the eat it, eat it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, that's what I think. I also think it doesn't
make any sense at this point if they've gone through
everything they've gone through and then to just all of
a sudden, you know, right before the season trade Terry
McLaurin like it, just like he requested.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
He's not They're not going to no, That's why the
player says it.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And I think somebody point somebody pointed out like the
last three you've seen, like Brandon Aiyuk and like a
couple other receivers around the league have pulled this move.
None of them got traded, Like none of them got
traded over the last couple of years. So I just
find it hard to believe.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
But it's like the only recourse you have right is
to say that you can hold out, don't want to
pay men, you can hold out you don't want I mean,
if you don't want to hold out, if you can't,
if you don't have to. I'm saying, all right, if
you don't want me, if you don't want done, then
get rid of me.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
But here's the difference.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
If the team had come out and said, we've given
Terry McLain the permission to request it, you know, to
seek a trade, then you know they're trying to like
deal them, right like you know you're they're giving his
agent permission to go talk to other teams.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
This is one side.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
This is just him saying that I guarantee you talked
Ada and Peter talked to anyone within that organization, and
they're gonna sit there and say to you, no, we're
not getting rid of them. This is just their tactic
of trying to get more. Would put more pressure on
us to sign them to a deal before a week one,
and I'll let this thing drag out. But that's how
this usually works. The owners, the teams, they can be
patient because they know eventually the player will come back
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from his road trip down to Florida, or the player
is going to sit there and say, I'm tired of not,
you know, putting myself in a position to be ready
to play a great year, and I want to be
out there. I want to Pete, I want to I
want to be with Jadan Daniels. I want to build,
continue to build with him. So I look at it
and just say this is all a tactic, and employ
they'll get a deal done before week one.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I'd be shocked.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
He'll probably make someone in the ballpark of you know,
thirty million average annual value, and I would assume it's
gonna be like a three year extension, and I think
two years of it will probably be guaranteed, and that's
probably what they're trying to negotiate now. Again, very similar
to Trey Hendrickson. If you remember the port that came out,
they said they were only willing to give him one
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year of really true guarantees.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
In that extension.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Lee told me before the show that part of the
request from Terry McLaurin to be traded is because they
won't go back to their former team name. Like you
said that, that's part of the what he's upset about
as well too, So it's not just the money, it's
the former team name. And I don't know where Lee
saw that report. Lee, where did you see that report
that you were telling me that he wants him to
go back to that other name? Oh?
Speaker 8 (32:24):
I thought I heard it from the horse's mouth that
you know he was raised off that so got you.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
That'll thick tongue courses that.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
By the way, the Washington Commandos had the twenty sixth
fewest dollars to spend under the cap. So that's one
other thing to think about, is he is gonna he's thirty,
he'll be thirty one next year. You do have to
sign jayde and Daniels to an extension, so you're already
starting the cap planning for that, and even though you
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want those two locked step and look again, it's only.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Jayden's second year.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
But I think after year three, if you're smart and
you're Washington, that's when you signed Jade and Daniels to
an extension, so you don't allow it to get too
much more expensive.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
You got some pull over there, Why don't you uh
get I got some pool. Yeah, you got some pull
over there in Washington, right.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
I blame that disappointing Sean Taylor. You know, statue on you.
I thought you were gonna throw a fit about that.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
But is that actually a statue?
Speaker 5 (33:22):
You talking about the wire hangar statue? Yeah, whatever thing
they did was, I would have never been a part
of that.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I thought I thought you were gonna throw up like
a like an uproar about it enough to get hostile
on him.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
You know.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
You know it's interesting. I interviewed another person yesterday during
my time here collecting content, and it happened to be
a guy by the name of Vinnie Serrado. And if
you know that name, you know that he was the
great GM in San Francisco and then ended up in
Washington and was the guy that that was a part
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of drafting me and Chris Samuels in two thousand class.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
I think they have to have some strong leadership from
their GM's position, and they have to do things that
are above board. And even if, again I stated earlier
that business is business, it has to be business.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
I get that, but you're building good will in this.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Market that you've now come into and taken over the franchise.
Don't f up the good will like sometimes you just
got to say, you know what, he's going to get
lucky on this one, because we haven't owned the team
long enough. We haven't had enough success, enough feel good
stories where we can handle things the way some of
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these other organizations handle things. Sorry for what is worth,
but you've come to expect what the Bengals are going
to do. You've come to expect what what the Dallas
Cowboys are going to do, and they accept it and
they say, well, that's just what Jerry does. That's just
what the Bengals do. But you just took over this team.
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Don't create these crazy, unnecessary narratives. And doing that to
a player like Terry I think puts you in a
situation where you don't necessarily have to be there.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
You know you gotta.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Sign him because you do not want Jaden Daniels play
to fall off. I'm sorry, you gotta do it. You
gotta do it. Don't play around with you, just do it.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
I can't believe you'd mentioned Vinnie Serrado and tell just
a small portion of his path to Washington. I mean,
you do know he was at Notre Dame before that,
he was recruiting as the recruiting coordinator will helping them
win a national championship eighty.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
You do know that when he went for the forty
nineers before before.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
He went to Washington, pob he brought in guys like
Dripping Waters and Brian's Young, helping them win.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
A Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
And mind you, you didn't even mention the fact that
he did appear in kindergarten Ninja during.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
That stint when he was with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
My bad, So not once do you mention any of
these accolades by my guy Vinnie Serrada, who brought me
in for a visit to tell the aforementioned owner, which
we will not name his name, the story of why
I benched at the combine and then I was out
of that bang.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Your boy, little Danny. He wanted to hear the story
from the horse's mouth. That's how that came about.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
It's very strange.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I will never.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Forget the face Joe Gibbs face in our meeting room
at the combine when I told him what Charlie said
to me, when he asked me, why did you bench
press at the combine? And I was like, well, coach,
I was like, if you know, I was like, this
is what he said, and his eyes lit up and
he was like, oh, I can't believe you're cust in
front of me like that. And then uh, that was
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the end of That was pretty much the end of that.
After a few back and forth.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
That's just so bizarre that an owner would fly you
in to hear a workout story.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
It's kind of weird, that's all. It's all they operated. Man,
we did have a nice steak dinner.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
There you go. What happened? Now? What else?
Speaker 6 (37:24):
That?
Speaker 3 (37:26):
That was it?
Speaker 4 (37:27):
By the way, I was still taking back to how
crappy the facilities were. Yeah, I didn't go out like
you did on the town I was in. I wasn't
going by the Washington Bullets game. Seeing your boy agent
zero out there.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
I am not that old jerk face. They were the Wizards? Yeah,
oh sure, yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
When did they go from Bullets to Wizards? By the way,
if you think they weren't the Bullets when I got that,
City's had a real bad run on team names like
they've whoever made the original decision?
Speaker 5 (38:02):
I mean, the Wizards is definitely for DC. I mean
that just seemed a little bit contradicting. It'll be to
call somebody the Wizards in Chocolate City just seemed a
little misplaced to me, a little out of place, But
you know who am I to judge?
Speaker 6 (38:22):
It is?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
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Friday Morning, everybody.
Speaker 8 (39:36):
Good morning, Jonas, Good morning, Brady, Good morning LeVar.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Guys.
Speaker 8 (39:40):
In case you miss it, A scary event yesterday that
went viral. I thought this was ai when I first
saw it. When I woke up yesterday from Green Mountain
Park in Saudi Arabia on a ride called three sixty Degrees.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I don't know if you saw this or not.
Speaker 8 (39:53):
In case you missed it, a spinning wheel ride snapped
in half, uh, leaving twenty three people injured, three critically.
You can see it's one of those rides with the
three hundred and sixty degrees of guy of people go
swinging back and forth with a weighted pendulum and it
snaps in half. The weighted pendulum swings back unfortunately hits
a number of the riders. Yeah, did you guys see this?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Scary? Wild scary stuff. Also, also, people are too fat.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Okay, I mean that thing was poorly constructed, but if
you look at it, I mean as soon as it
started to swing.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
It just that that ride was loaded up with some
people who need to cut some lbs.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
The heaviest person on that ride should be arrested.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
That's probably why they were only injured.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
Gray, full thick body asses.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Joe Fast.
Speaker 8 (40:49):
I going to ride that's identical to this, called Crazanity
at six Flags.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
It's my favorite ride to the park. We're never going
to go on it again. It's called crazanity. It's called crazanity, craysanity.
God play socks if it does. It's not that good.
You know what I'm gonna go today. Let's go crazy Anity,
here we come.