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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Football Friday, We've got one game in
the books for Week four in the NFL. We're gonna
discuss what is going on with Marvin Harrison, Junior Kyler
Murray and the Arizona offense, and also what do we
make of Seattle. Are they a legitimate contender in the
NFC after last night. We'll get into all that for
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you here. We're also going to talk about the NFL
going international with a game in Dublin this weekend, and
what the future holds for the National Football League. We've
got Shad Or Sanders talking why we'll discuss. We've also
got Cam Newton versus Tua Tagovailoa. We'll get into all that.
Plus we've got another edition of Quinn's Wins. We're gonna
spread them for Week four in the NFL. We've got
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in case you missed it, and we've got the leftovers.
It's all yours. Coming up next here, Two pros and
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Speaker 2 (01:06):
Come on, que let's go cue. Co'me on bar Well,
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Speaker 1 (01:11):
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Speaker 1 (01:48):
Check out our brand new channel on YouTube and just
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Speaker 3 (01:56):
How we feel? Yeah? How are you feeling, Jonas?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I'm good?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Are you talking?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah? I traveled all day yesterday. Too many delays all day,
but made it all day, man, literally, but I did
make it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
You're in the Burg, I'm in State College.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well you're going you thought you're saying the Burg, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So when they announced that I was doing the college came,
I didn't want to say the name because you know,
you're talking about my compet you know, my man.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I'm not like that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
All right. Well, they're taking care of my.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Room, which i'd hope they would, by the way.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, they're taking care of my See.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It all worked out, man, it worked awesome. Yeah, the
Burg would no Motel six.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'm going to say the Burg would have probably been
more fun today and tomorrow. But State College. Being in
State College is good.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
You Yeah, you're doing game day.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
He's a guest picker.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I'm a guest picker.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Did you miss that? Last night? We were on a
text chain together. Jonahs.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think he's being funny right now.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
What's doing? See?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I can't tell because honestly, he'll be like, dude, I'm
just so busy. I'm just I've got so many things
going on.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
What are you doing? I have to throw the ball,
the baseball, then the football. Then we need to do
in practice.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Like sound just like, can I give you a piece
of advice that in all seriousness from two guys who
have a like just a bunch of kids.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
You can't play that card with us. You just you
can't play like you really can't the all busy card.
You're not that busy. Trust me, you're not.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
You're not that busy until until you get to having
more than two you can then start to talk.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
You don't even have to yet, so you can't use
that card with us.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
It is the most my wife talks about the sometimes too,
where there are people are like I'm so busy, Like,
oh yeah, you're busy, okay, all right, Like there's no
there's no legitimacy to what you say.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well, sorry, first of all, what does that have to do.
First of all, what does that have to do with
LeVar Arrington going on another Don't.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Try to don't try to ship it.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's what you did, because that's what the original That's
what the original conversation was.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You're acting you're acting like you're unaware of the news when.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
It because you missed it in group text.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I'm the one who sent it to you guys on
the group text. I'm aware I sent.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
It to you.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I had to smoke you out.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, smoke this then. I'm telling you right now, if
if Game Day, if Game Day went to Vampire State,
I would not appear if they asked me to. I
don't care what it is. I got loyalty, loyalty to
Big News.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
We've talked about this before. By the way, we always
said Jonah would be like Deuce, I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Out, sorry, Jonas would be out. That's why I'd be
trying with the challenge every year. He'd be trying to
get Fox or somebody to notice him doing TV. No,
that's yet.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
You something.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It's still a challenge.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That show has not worked to what Q or what
uh what Jonahs wanted as his advantage of getting ahead
in the work for I just work.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Man, just a busy gather works. That's it. That's all
I do.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
All right, that's all I'm about.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Think about something that works, still work. Even though that
second half got a little dicey.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
For him, I still am not convinced that they're legitimate contenders.
But they are way better than I expected him to be.
Like I thought, this is going to be an awful
year for Seattle. And yeah, the second half got a
little bit sketchy there, but way better than I thought
they'd be. And Sam Donald, I mean cart.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It was our fools goal.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Well didn't you pick in the wind that.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I can't believe I picked them. I can't believe I picked.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Them sticks picks did that too?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Fools goal? But sor right?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You know, you know what I can't get over?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
What?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
How good? How good Vegas is with prop bets? For example, I.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Believe Darnold's like over under on passing yards was two
forty four or yesterday when we were doing more or less,
I kept looking at all these different you know, stats,
different things like obviously, uh.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Did any of ours hit? Did any of our our
picks for draft kings?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah? Yeah, Kyler Murray over rushing yards, I think it
was knocks locks twenty eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Oh yeah you go, okay, good for you.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I mean I needed a big scramble in the second
effort to do it, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It didn't make it. He got it all right.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Good And by the way, LeVar, we talked to you
into Marvin Harrison Junior over to score over a half touchdown.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
He did it.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Big win, he did it. There you go, big win.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
So I guess I'm able to lose it. Trey Betson
really didn't step up for much of anything.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I actually think that Brady said something yesterday because I've
been trying to think about how to describe the Cardinals,
and I thought this is the best point made. And
normally I'm the one who makes the best points, but
you made the best point yesterday where you said they
should be farther along than they are. And I'm watching it, going, yeah,
(07:37):
that's that's like sums up like Kyler Murray's on his
second coach, he's already been paid. Marvin Harrison Junior is there.
It just feels like whether it's the fool's.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Gold they hit their ceiling.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I don't know what. And I don't know if the
ceiling was a high ceiling. No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's a damn shame y'all hit. Y'all got dang ceiling
and it wasn't it was as tall as Kyler it was.
It was a job, a whole lot of people that
won't be able to stretch out. It's not a high
enough ceiling.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
It it was a jockeys dressing room. That was their ceiling.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
They got it. They got a crawl into their space.
That is not a high ceiling.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
And I'm wondering now that we think about it. You
remember that playoff game. They had their only playoff game
with Kingsbury and they got annihilated by the Rams, And
I just I'm wondering, was that it.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Can they get back to the playoffs? Like it's a
valid question.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
And the imagine that ownership group wanting to blow up
that franchise with a team that who was missing for
the first six games of that next year, remember, because
they made the playoffs. They got blown out the next year?
Who is servant was Hopkins? Yeah, DeAndre six games suspension.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Pissed hot?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, oh god, he was on the gap.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
And then then they got off to a bad start,
didn't have a great year, and they're like, all right.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Let's blow this whole thing up.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
It's like, oh, all right, well, I guess we're just
gonna throw up.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
They got blown up and they haven't recovered since. Yeah,
it just I don't know. I got to see parts
of it when when I had internet service and and
just looking at it.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
They don't have internet out there.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
No, they had internet on the on the plane, but
you know sometimes.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
On the plane.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah, I thought you made early Amish country in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
We went through. They didn't have any they didn't have
any internet.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
No, I was on the plane the whole whole day.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
You do know Penn States surrounded by Amish country.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, yeah, shippings Burg craftsmanship, what else? We went through
this before. We did the list of men and night
uh big men in nite towns in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
We did this, but I don't ever see them show
up for Penn State camps.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I don't know. I don't under I mean and why,
I mean, you would think that they would because it's
it we are.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Don't say Penn State.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
But there's no technology needed. I mean, I've never seen
no horse carts or buggies parked, you know, in the
in the park. I bet you they have the best
tail games. They be having some shot.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Jonas doesn't punched out of this group of people because
they can't hear us.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So oh well, yeah, they're irrelevant to me, like I
don't even and actually they don't know no more.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I'm around Jonas. I feel like Jonas is Amish and
that might be why he's not He's not taking any
shots at him, Yes, you do radio.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
First of all, First of all, I bet you could
put together like a chair or something.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
First of all, the Amish. The Amish would be the
only people impressed by my truck. That's it. That's the
only group that would look of my truck and go,
you know what is that from outer space? No, it's
two thousand.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Might open Gerbils powered it.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
They might accept it. They might actually put it next
to a horse and carriage.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
They might use a horse for it. Once the motor dies.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Engine no, no, no gasoline engine up in there. He
got small goats up in there running.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
You want to talk to you on your your bluetooth
and your truck is awful.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Oh yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It's like it sounds like you're talking in a tin can. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
My wife, when I take my wife's car, she's always like,
why don't you just connect the bluetooth to the speaker.
I'm like, I don't know how that works. Like I
have a CD player in my truck. I don't know
how that works. I'm just not familiar with that. With
that evolution.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
You look under his truck while you drive it, you
see little goat feet, little goat, Paul, the little goat
hoofs on.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
The ground, you say, little under.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
There he got a G eight eight eight. Yeah, some turbles.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Who's my mechanic, Richard Gear? But grow up. The point
is we've got that point is.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
That was more interested. You're talking about the games.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
You're just out on the on the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's that's out on the Seahawks. But I'm not a
believer in Sam Darnold right now. I don't know why.
I felt like I felt like his performance was underwhelming
and if the defense didn't do what they need to
do in the offense for Arizona wasn't what they were
last evening. I feel like, you know, and Kyler Murray's
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game wasn't bad by the way. I mean, he just
didn't protect the ball. And they don't have a running game.
I mean it hurt and not having Connor and you
know they don't really have It's like Marvin Harrison Junior.
I think we touched on this last the last show.
(13:02):
It's it's it's strange you would think that he would
be as close, he would be close to having as
much dominance as he did in college by now, like
by now, you'd be like, dude is flashing for real,
Like he's he's he's a guy, like he's he's he
(13:24):
is the franchise. Like you would think that you would
see those types of performances from him by now, and
it just hasn't. You know, it just hasn't unfolded that way.
And he's good.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Herbstreet was really trying to will it into existence last
night though, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, I mean he I mean, because he does just
enough where you're like, okay, okay, but it's like it's
not it's not that next level.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
But I don't want to put all on him.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Like That's the thing is, Kyler Murray's played pretty consistent
and I don't think he's got a ton of help.
Like when do we ever talk about the cardinals B
defense been a top ten defense, well, at least consistently.
They might have their stints, but not consistently. When do
we talk I mean, James Connor's hurt that was obviously
you know a pair of last night, But the offensive
(14:16):
lines never dominant in protection or rue game. You know,
they're at times good, but this team, the roster, everything,
it's it's never one that we look at and we say,
all right, they should at least I didn't.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I didn't think that they should win the NFC West.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
They should be one of the top teams in the NFC, Like,
I don't put anything on this roster ahead of the
Rams or San France. And then you can start talking
kind of how they shape up versus Seattle. And mind you,
these two teams always play each other tough, like this
is the sort of thing where the Seattle won in Arizona,
Arizona one win in Seattle later in the year. It
(14:54):
happens all the time if you look through the history
of these two teams playing.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I don't know why I've called these it's just weird.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
They always play each other tough, They always play each
other close, and they usually steal one from the other
on the road. But the general point is, I just
the roster's not where it needs to be. You know,
Marvin Harrison Junior clearly is not where he needs me.
He played better last night, the big touchdown catch. You
could tell in that moment how much it meant to him.
But man, that pick like it was a perfectly thrown ball,
(15:26):
tipped volleyball, setted right to the Seattle secondary in the
first half. That play just can't happen, Like it can't happen.
What's astonishing is it never happened for Marvin Harrison Junior
at Ohio State and some of these issues he's having now,
Like I don't know what you draw the conclusion to, Like,
I don't know that there's been a player that I
(15:47):
thought would come in right away.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
And have a bigger impact.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I mean, I can't think of one off the top
of my head that I thought was more NFL ready
give it his pedigree, given everything we watched him do,
given the way other teams would talk about him, just
how other teams would say, like if there's one guy
who could take over a game, it's Marmon Harrison Junior.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Unbelievable, maybe Ashton gend.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Not even Gentsy, not even gents not even Gentsy, Like
because there's elements of what Harrison Junior could do versus
double coverage one on one, you know, I just I just, man,
it's crazy. I really thought he was gonna have a
much bigger impact than what he's had. As far as
Gendy's impact, I mean, he's not a bad.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Football team right now, and he just got started.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Harrison's had a year, you know, he's had a year
and some games now, and you're just like, man, it's
still not consistently clicking.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
If you're asking.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
What's the one thing, it's it's probably that because that's
when you look at the roster, you're like, well, that
guy needs to be you know, catch for over one
hundred yards every single game.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, it's a uh, it's a rough go last night
for Marvin Harrison Junior until the touchdown and he had
a big catch towards the end. I also thought this,
like if you got the ball and I know that
they missed the landing zone and and well can.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
We talk about that though?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah, because for everyone who wanted to, what was the
other game that they made a big deal about because
they couldn't kick it out of the end zone for
a touch back?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Santos? It was Cairo Santos. It was the Bears Vikings,
I think it was. I think it was the first
game of the year.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Like, this is the other end of this was one
that just happened. Yeah, this just happened. What you was
talking about?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, but like this is the other end that no
one talks about.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
It's like all right, it's not like this it's a
gimme that you're gonna like kick the ball out of
bounds whatever else.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I mean, it's not an easy spot to be in.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Like every I think everyone understood he was trying to
kick the ball so they had to return it to
run time off the clock.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
But then he kicks it too short. You know, It's
like it's a it's a fine line.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
It's not an easy thing to do necessarily, So I
just I think the I guess the interesting that I'd
point out about the kickoff is it has become a
consequential play, like more so than ever. Yeah, And I'm
not sure if that's a good thing or a bad
thing as far as how we're rewarding or pedalizing teams
with it, because I don't know that you should be
(18:09):
penalized to the point where they get the ball with
the forty yard line, and it seems like kind of
an egregious penalty for just like kicking it short to
what the twenty or twenty one.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It's it's I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
It's like when they move the pat back, all of
a sudden, it's become a real play again, and you're wondering,
like is that the most fair way to put kickers?
And yeah, well the plays and automatics, so we're going
to make it more difficult. And you've seen kickers miss
pats all the time ever since then. And I was
watching that game last night, going all right, so they
get the ball at the forty realistically nowadays, with the
(18:42):
way kickers are, you only need twenty yards. Yeah, twenty
yards and they had what like fifty something or thirty
something seconds left and a timeout like it, like that's
a an eternity to be able to get into position
with the way guys kick now. And if you're Brandon Aubrey,
all you need to just get me to the forty five.
Can you guys pick up? You know, fifteen yards? Just
(19:04):
get me to the forty five will be fine. Like
the whole game has changed with the way kickers are.
Are are bombing kicks now, like you it's no longer well,
they got to really drive deep. They got to get
to the thirty if they want to shot at this
whole thing. Man, they just need to go twenty yards
and they're within field goal range.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Now it's wild and.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I'm not going to accuse anybody of being on the gas,
but I just think we need to look into that,
all right. Just it's not this is abnormal distances that
kickers are kicking from from what we've always known.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
So who's going to piss hot?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Like?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Who are challenging?
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I don't know Jack is, what's what's he up to?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I don't know pissing hot?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Do you think levard piss hot right now? If you
tested them?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
No? No, I think he does.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I mean, if you think I'm pissing hot the way
I look, then what a waste of time?
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Don't start doing that way?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
What a waste?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Don't don't you don't you dare go down this road.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I'm just saying, if I'm stand up for yourself, more
different than this, you stand up? I mean, do you
have to lift weights? If you use gas?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You should see Here's I think the problem. I think
what's happening is, uh.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
You'll see Zion Williamson.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well, I think that's.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
A different type. He's he's he's unletted right now? Was
that Olympic? What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
The problem is Lebar was doing you only look to
say Lebar was doing research on the plane last night
and he went down a deep dive on Jamie Lee Curtis,
and so I think that kind of threw him off
to getting into that.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Did throw me off a little bit. After a good
spit out of my beverage and and a good laugh,
I tuned out for that.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Is that what you're saying, that's what the that's what
the that's.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
What the headline headline, that's what the headline said. I mean,
they're twins like Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwarzenegger. And even
that's closer than what that was. That that's on that
that that picture and our kids, because the one daughter
is clearly a very very very good looking daughter, and
(21:26):
then the other one kind of looks like, you know,
like you know, like he'd be like delivering your I mean,
she would be delivering your your mail, you know. I
don't know. One looked like SI swimsuit cover model. The
other one looked like they were like, you know, delivering
you know, boxes to your house.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
A prep star, you.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Know that person at the local uh, you know grocery,
you know that's doing the meats and the butcher shop.
You know, That's what the other daughter looked like. Just saying,
why do butchers all look the same? By the way, like,
have you ever seen a butcher that didn't look like
a butcher?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yeah? I don't think butchers look the same at all.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
No, I'm not on whatever you're saying right now? Oh,
what do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
What are you saying? What do you mean that?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Well?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I do know this.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
It's all about first impressions.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And no, no, what do you mean?
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going to be in Europe again this weekend. We've got
the Vikings, We've got the Steelers there in Dublin. You know, yes,
we may know somebody who what what a what a place.
Our Lord and Savior, Scott Shapiro is going to be
there seeing his skull vikings. Yeah, going to be out
(26:20):
there to go see him. A big event for everybody,
and everybody's really fired up about it. And then Roger
Goodell says in an interview with CNBC that there are
international markets that could manage an NFL team, which I'm
sure that they are. I would just ask this question.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Have we really.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Gone everywhere we could in the US? Like, is there
no market in the US that could also support a
team that we need to grow at internationally? Is there
not a city in the US or a market in
the US that could use a little love from the
NFL as opposed to taking all of this and sending
it overseas to Europe, Like that's that's my big question.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I don't think it's one about that, Like you're you're
you're not looking at this the way the NFL season
the NFL season as the way of growing the sport
to grow their bottom line. And I would say this,
tell me which is more valued a franchise in Jacksonville, Florida, or.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
One in London, probably London. Okay.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
What about the difference between I don't know, Carolina versus Frankfurt,
Germany or let's say doublin Ireland.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
That one's more debatable because I mean, I mean Carolina,
it's not market. It's a nice market, it's not it's
a small market. It's how small well.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I wouldn't I don't think it's I don't know, it's
in the top.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Twenty, Charlotte Charlotte R.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Go ahead, Keith talking.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
No.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
My general point is like, if you're looking at trying
to grow the fan interest and the franchise value of
these teams, the best way they'll be able to do
it is if they go to a larger city where
they're going to be able to be more absorbed by
that market, you know, create more value for their franchise.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Like, that's the immediate way you'd be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
So and again, if you think it's bigger than you know,
some of these bigger international cities, it's it's not even close.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yah. I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
That, Yeah, I agree, but but but that's how the
that's the thing is, people aren't looking at this anymore
from as a fan that the second that you allowed
teams to be bought a best percentage of by private equity,
you should you The running is on the wall.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Folks like these, These owners don't care about the fans.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
They don't. They don't a lot of business owners don't
care about their customer as much anymore. They don't. Like
we have hit an inflection point in our society where
if you own a business, you're going one or two ways.
You're either, you know, passing it down to your family,
and you're gonna try to run that thing as best
(29:10):
way you see, because you know that that matters long
term for your kids. That's part of your legacy. That's
what you're leaving them. That's one route. We don't really
see that as much anymore. I mean, we were seeing
that with the Earth says, I guess with mister passing,
obviously he has been passing it down to his daughters.
You know, we see with some other organizations, the Rounies,
or you go out the maras with the New York Giants.
(29:31):
But in some cases look at the Broncos that you
can get passed down from mister Bowlan to his kids.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Those in a state, So they sold it. Now the
Wallden family is involved in that.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
So the other direction is maybe the kids don't want
to run it, Maybe they just want to cash out
of the business.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
They don't want to be a part of that business.
Well then they're selling it.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
And once you sell it, you're selling it to someone
who has no ties whatsoever, no history whatsoever with the
whatever that is sports team, name your business. And what
happens is it becomes all about the bottom line. How
am I going to recoup what I'm paying for this
business so I can sell it one day and make
out like a bandit or make my return on my money.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
That's what this has become.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
And so we can sit here right in the here
and now the short term and go, oh no, they're
just trying to expand the footprint of the NFL stuff.
But the reality is there is a longer term plan
of how the NFL is not going to plateau and
how it's going to keep growing and the franchise values
of these teams is going to keep growing. You know,
(30:38):
people look at flag football as being a part of
the Olympics, as this push for everything's going to move
to flag at some point one day.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
No, it's not.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
No, that's the easiest way to segue to get other
countries more interested in the sport of football. So then
once you get them in on flag, then they come
see the real version of them, like, dang, this is sweet.
We need to start doing this. And once that hits,
once that takes, you could say it's not gonna work.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
It already is. That's the reality. It already is.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
It's just a gateway.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Tried it, they've tried it before. It's not it will.
American football will never be more than what it is.
Too much more than what it is now.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Talk to me ten years from now, man, because because
the reality is what they're seeing is NFL Europe, right,
which was not are the starters, was not the best
of the best, laid the groundwork for a lot of
why you see the fandom of football today.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Today.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
It failed. It failed, and it didn't fail.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
They chose to shut it down. They weren't to putting
enough money into it. And that's fine, however, but that
doesn't mean that it's not gonna work.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Now, that's a fail That was NFL Europe.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
NFL Europe was honestly, probably one of the greatest thoughts
for spreading the game of American football. Preparing quarter mind
you or even other players like that might have been
the best idea for a developmental league ever because players
who weren't getting experienced were getting experienced in real, live
game scenarios. Coaches who were maybe position coaches, they got
(32:15):
to call plays, they got to be coordinators, they got
to be maybe head coaches.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
In some cases, So that was that element of it.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
You had officials who maybe weren't ready for the NFL,
but they got that experience and they got some tread
on their tires from that. You even had broadcasters like
talk to Troy Aikman, talk talk to people who when
they first got into broadcasting, guys who went over and
did games over there, Producers behind the scenes, analysts on
camera like Todd Brady would have done some games where
(32:43):
he could kind of, you know, start off, start off
his career now on the biggest national stage.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
All that stuff was one of the best ideas ever.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Development of it was as well developed and as successful
as you're saying, it would still be here and it
would be bigger.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That's no, that's not true, dude. That's not how business works.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Because there's great businesses that as but they're okay, you
don't doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It doesn't, it doesn't if it.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Does, not that it didn't work. The owners didn't want
to keep putting money into it. And that's the.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Problem is the business that well, explain how that? How
does that?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Okay, I'll explain on the sports Just how long did you.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Say it on earlier on in the in the segment
now you're saying the owners that's.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
How you're trying to create value for the franchise right now,
So how long did it take Amazon to turn a profit?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Should they have just given up and didn't?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Exactly so, should should Jeff Bezos and just giving up
because they weren't able to turn a profit?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Like that's the reality of.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
That's not an apples the apples conversation because the NFL
is the NFL, NFL is something totally different.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
That was a developmental league. Yeah, yeah, development and so
they got.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Tired of putting to that point, No development league has none. Sure,
I think the only successful, the only successful outside of
the NFL football that works is Canadian League football, Like
that's it, which.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Which which actually is failing more than ever now.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Because I mean it's never been relevant here other.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Than they're changing post stars, they're actually shortening the end zone,
they're actually they're actually making a lot of changes to
make it more like American. But that's a whole other
separate discussion. But the point is is the idea of
what it was was actually really smart. It was really
good for the league at that time. I mean you
had guys like Kurt Warner, Like, there's guys who came
out of that who made big impacts in the NFL.
(34:37):
There's people who are in TV production, there's people who
are coaches that were like, man, that was a blast.
I got some experience, I learned a lot. So that's
that's an idea to me, sure, But but an idea
doesn't always become a great business. But what you're missing
is the fact that it did lay the groundwork for
a lot of the interests. Like when Jonas and I
go to Dublin and I talked to some of the
(34:57):
people who are interested about the game, some of the
people we'll mention or they'll be like, oh, I first,
you know slid back on the NFL Europe. Like people
would mention that, I know you would on that chat that.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Day, like that yeah, I wasn't on that trip, so
I can't exactly.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
So I'm just telling you, like when people say that stuff,
you're like, oh, okay, it did have its impact on that.
And so in regards to the comment about the bottom line, Yeah,
if you're able to move a franchise, Like if I
took a business from California to Texas and immediately it
became have a greater enterprise value, would that not be
increasing the value of just by simply moving the company.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I do not believe. I do not believe, but yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
How it works.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
You can move a business from one place to another
and it immediately can increase in value.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
The infrastructure of what football represents will never grow to
that level in in abroad countries will.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
So you don't think we'll ever get a team in London.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I think there will be a team that goes there eventually.
Do I think that it will be a successful, a
successful business venture to take multiple teams and end up
having multiple teams in Europe? The only way it's successful
is if you have advertisers and sponsors that see it
(36:17):
fit to to be a part of what the bohemoth
of the NFL is. Marketing and advertising wise, and their
their product is consumed abroad. Like to me that that
would be the only way it would make sense in
terms of it being a grassroots sport. It will never
it will never get to being a grassroots sport that
(36:40):
grows organically the way that intentionally the way it does
here in America.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
So are you telling me that there's current sponsors of
the NFL that aren't global companies or don't want to
and maybe increase their reach.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
No, I'm saying that would be I'm saying that would
be the reason why that would not reach accession that
would make you know, that would make it purely for
sponsor based driven content, and which is how how you
increase the way to be grassroots. It wouldn't be grass
I'm making it containable.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
You're conflating the two points. I'm not.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
I'm not combining what NFL Europe was into anything other
than creating what the interest is in the American football
over in Europe.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
By what that did that you.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Want to give a few couple of decades ago a
spectacle to go see, but it's largely a corporate driven
event abroad. Then sure you you put a team there
or maybe one more somewhere else and that that that works.
But you're talking about but if you're talking about putting
an entire division or a whole bunch of teams over there,
(37:47):
I just don't. I don't see it. I don't, I
don't see.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
That's what went over there when we went over with
the Broncos. That's what they talked about. It would make
the most sense not to move one, but to actually
have four teams over there, because then as far as
the travel back and forth in the time zones, it
would be more advantageous for those teams to have an
entire division.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I'll bet that I know, Ray, I'll bet you I'll
fade you on that one. I'll faith I'll.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Just tell you what I was told this like over
a decade ago.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Listen, if I'm just saying I'll fade you on, I mean,
I do not think that there will be four teams
that successfully exists in Europe.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
All right, well not well, I mean listen, you can
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Speaker 7 (39:50):
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Speaker 1 (39:58):
With a drum roll please.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
They're fourteenth the child.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
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like Antonio Hammarty was like ten eleven kids, but no,
he has fourteen. So Shawn Alexander, he's in the rafts
and whatever.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Awesome. Good for him? Good for him?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Are you if?
Speaker 4 (40:20):
If he called Jonas jo big od sorry man, you
got too much gold, too much?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Say so now? He did say that his his oldest
kids are old enough to be the like the great
uncles and aunts and that the ones beneath them are
actually old enough to watch them and take care of
them if they can't. But they got to get like
two buses, like they drive like two vehicles or something
(40:47):
to that. He's get a school bus. Just get one
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Speaker 4 (40:52):
Imagine calling for a dinner reservation party is sixteen?
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Is that I need to call events?
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No?
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No, no, that's just our family, sixteen people.
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It's wild, jeezeeen. Fifteen
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Speaker 3 (01:56):
How we feel? Yeah? How are you feeling, Jonas?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I'm good?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Are you talking?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah? I traveled all day yesterday. Too many delays all day,
but made it all day, man, literally, but I did
make it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
You're in the Burg, I'm in State College.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well you're going you thought you're saying the Burg, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So when they announced that I was doing the college came,
I didn't want to say the name because you know,
you're talking about my compet you know, my man.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I'm not like that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
All right. Well, they're taking care of my.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Room, which i'd hope they would, by the way.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, they're taking care of my See.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It all worked out, man, it worked awesome. Yeah, the
Burg would no Motel six.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'm going to say the Burg would have probably been
more fun today and tomorrow. But State College. Being in
State College is good.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
You Yeah, you're doing game day.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
He's a guest picker.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I'm a guest picker.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Did you miss that? Last night? We were on a
text chain together. Jonahs.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think he's being funny right now.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
What's doing? See?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I can't tell because honestly, he'll be like, dude, I'm
just so busy. I'm just I've got so many things
going on.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
What are you doing? I have to throw the ball,
the baseball, then the football. Then we need to do
in practice.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Like sound just like, can I give you a piece
of advice that in all seriousness from two guys who
have a like just a bunch of kids.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
You can't play that card with us. You just you
can't play like you really can't the all busy card.
You're not that busy. Trust me, you're not.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
You're not that busy until until you get to having
more than two you can then start to talk.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
You don't even have to yet, so you can't use
that card with us.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
It is the most my wife talks about the sometimes too,
where there are people are like I'm so busy, Like,
oh yeah, you're busy, okay, all right, Like there's no
there's no legitimacy to what you say.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well, sorry, first of all, what does that have to do.
First of all, what does that have to do with
LeVar Arrington going on another Don't.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Try to don't try to ship it.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's what you did, because that's what the original That's
what the original conversation was.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You're acting you're acting like you're unaware of the news when.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
It because you missed it in group text.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I'm the one who sent it to you guys on
the group text. I'm aware I sent.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
It to you.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I had to smoke you out.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, smoke this then. I'm telling you right now, if
if Game Day, if Game Day went to Vampire State,
I would not appear if they asked me to. I
don't care what it is. I got loyalty, loyalty to
Big News.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
We've talked about this before. By the way, we always
said Jonah would be like Deuce, I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Out, sorry, Jonas would be out. That's why I'd be
trying with the challenge every year. He'd be trying to
get Fox or somebody to notice him doing TV. No,
that's yet.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
You something.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It's still a challenge.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That show has not worked to what Q or what
uh what Jonahs wanted as his advantage of getting ahead
in the work for I just work.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Man, just a busy gather works. That's it. That's all
I do.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
All right, that's all I'm about.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Think about something that works, still work. Even though that
second half got a little dicey.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
For him, I still am not convinced that they're legitimate contenders.
But they are way better than I expected him to be.
Like I thought, this is going to be an awful
year for Seattle. And yeah, the second half got a
little bit sketchy there, but way better than I thought
they'd be. And Sam Donald, I mean cart.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It was our fools goal.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Well didn't you pick in the wind that.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I can't believe I picked them. I can't believe I picked.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Them sticks picks did that too?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Fools goal? But sor right?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You know, you know what I can't get over?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
What?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
How good? How good Vegas is with prop bets? For example, I.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Believe Darnold's like over under on passing yards was two
forty four or yesterday when we were doing more or less,
I kept looking at all these different you know, stats,
different things like obviously, uh.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Did any of ours hit? Did any of our our
picks for draft kings?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah? Yeah, Kyler Murray over rushing yards, I think it
was knocks locks twenty eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Oh yeah you go, okay, good for you.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I mean I needed a big scramble in the second
effort to do it, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It didn't make it. He got it all right.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Good And by the way, LeVar, we talked to you
into Marvin Harrison Junior over to score over a half touchdown.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
He did it.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Big win, he did it. There you go, big win.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
So I guess I'm able to lose it. Trey Betson
really didn't step up for much of anything.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I actually think that Brady said something yesterday because I've
been trying to think about how to describe the Cardinals,
and I thought this is the best point made. And
normally I'm the one who makes the best points, but
you made the best point yesterday where you said they
should be farther along than they are. And I'm watching it, going, yeah,
(07:37):
that's that's like sums up like Kyler Murray's on his
second coach, he's already been paid. Marvin Harrison Junior is there.
It just feels like whether it's the fool's.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Gold they hit their ceiling.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I don't know what. And I don't know if the
ceiling was a high ceiling. No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's a damn shame y'all hit. Y'all got dang ceiling
and it wasn't it was as tall as Kyler it was.
It was a job, a whole lot of people that
won't be able to stretch out. It's not a high
enough ceiling.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
It it was a jockeys dressing room. That was their ceiling.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
They got it. They got a crawl into their space.
That is not a high ceiling.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
And I'm wondering now that we think about it. You
remember that playoff game. They had their only playoff game
with Kingsbury and they got annihilated by the Rams, And
I just I'm wondering, was that it.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Can they get back to the playoffs? Like it's a
valid question.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
And the imagine that ownership group wanting to blow up
that franchise with a team that who was missing for
the first six games of that next year, remember, because
they made the playoffs. They got blown out the next year?
Who is servant was Hopkins? Yeah, DeAndre six games suspension.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Pissed hot?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, oh god, he was on the gap.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
And then then they got off to a bad start,
didn't have a great year, and they're like, all right.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Let's blow this whole thing up.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
It's like, oh, all right, well, I guess we're just
gonna throw up.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
They got blown up and they haven't recovered since. Yeah,
it just I don't know. I got to see parts
of it when when I had internet service and and
just looking at it.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
They don't have internet out there.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
No, they had internet on the on the plane, but
you know sometimes.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
On the plane.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah, I thought you made early Amish country in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
We went through. They didn't have any they didn't have
any internet.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
No, I was on the plane the whole whole day.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
You do know Penn States surrounded by Amish country.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, yeah, shippings Burg craftsmanship, what else? We went through
this before. We did the list of men and night
uh big men in nite towns in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
We did this, but I don't ever see them show
up for Penn State camps.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I don't know. I don't under I mean and why,
I mean, you would think that they would because it's
it we are.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Don't say Penn State.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
But there's no technology needed. I mean, I've never seen
no horse carts or buggies parked, you know, in the
in the park. I bet you they have the best
tail games. They be having some shot.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Jonas doesn't punched out of this group of people because
they can't hear us.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So oh well, yeah, they're irrelevant to me, like I
don't even and actually they don't know no more.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I'm around Jonas. I feel like Jonas is Amish and
that might be why he's not He's not taking any
shots at him, Yes, you do radio.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
First of all, First of all, I bet you could
put together like a chair or something.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
First of all, the Amish. The Amish would be the
only people impressed by my truck. That's it. That's the
only group that would look of my truck and go,
you know what is that from outer space? No, it's
two thousand.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Might open Gerbils powered it.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
They might accept it. They might actually put it next
to a horse and carriage.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
They might use a horse for it. Once the motor dies.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Engine no, no, no gasoline engine up in there. He
got small goats up in there running.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
You want to talk to you on your your bluetooth
and your truck is awful.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Oh yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It's like it sounds like you're talking in a tin can. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
My wife, when I take my wife's car, she's always like,
why don't you just connect the bluetooth to the speaker.
I'm like, I don't know how that works. Like I
have a CD player in my truck. I don't know
how that works. I'm just not familiar with that. With
that evolution.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
You look under his truck while you drive it, you
see little goat feet, little goat, Paul, the little goat
hoofs on.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
The ground, you say, little under.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
There he got a G eight eight eight. Yeah, some turbles.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Who's my mechanic, Richard Gear? But grow up. The point
is we've got that point is.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
That was more interested. You're talking about the games.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
You're just out on the on the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's that's out on the Seahawks. But I'm not a
believer in Sam Darnold right now. I don't know why.
I felt like I felt like his performance was underwhelming
and if the defense didn't do what they need to
do in the offense for Arizona wasn't what they were
last evening. I feel like, you know, and Kyler Murray's
(12:42):
game wasn't bad by the way. I mean, he just
didn't protect the ball. And they don't have a running game.
I mean it hurt and not having Connor and you
know they don't really have It's like Marvin Harrison Junior.
I think we touched on this last the last show.
(13:02):
It's it's it's strange you would think that he would
be as close, he would be close to having as
much dominance as he did in college by now, like
by now, you'd be like, dude is flashing for real,
Like he's he's he's a guy, like he's he's he
(13:24):
is the franchise. Like you would think that you would
see those types of performances from him by now, and
it just hasn't. You know, it just hasn't unfolded that way.
And he's good.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Herbstreet was really trying to will it into existence last
night though, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, I mean he I mean, because he does just
enough where you're like, okay, okay, but it's like it's
not it's not that next level.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
But I don't want to put all on him.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Like That's the thing is, Kyler Murray's played pretty consistent
and I don't think he's got a ton of help.
Like when do we ever talk about the cardinals B
defense been a top ten defense, well, at least consistently.
They might have their stints, but not consistently. When do
we talk I mean, James Connor's hurt that was obviously
you know a pair of last night, But the offensive
(14:16):
lines never dominant in protection or rue game. You know,
they're at times good, but this team, the roster, everything,
it's it's never one that we look at and we say,
all right, they should at least I didn't.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I didn't think that they should win the NFC West.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
They should be one of the top teams in the NFC, Like,
I don't put anything on this roster ahead of the
Rams or San France. And then you can start talking
kind of how they shape up versus Seattle. And mind you,
these two teams always play each other tough, like this
is the sort of thing where the Seattle won in Arizona,
Arizona one win in Seattle later in the year. It
(14:54):
happens all the time if you look through the history
of these two teams playing.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I don't know why I've called these it's just weird.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
They always play each other tough, They always play each
other close, and they usually steal one from the other
on the road. But the general point is, I just
the roster's not where it needs to be. You know,
Marvin Harrison Junior clearly is not where he needs me.
He played better last night, the big touchdown catch. You
could tell in that moment how much it meant to him.
But man, that pick like it was a perfectly thrown ball,
(15:26):
tipped volleyball, setted right to the Seattle secondary in the
first half. That play just can't happen, Like it can't happen.
What's astonishing is it never happened for Marvin Harrison Junior
at Ohio State and some of these issues he's having now,
Like I don't know what you draw the conclusion to, Like,
I don't know that there's been a player that I
(15:47):
thought would come in right away.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
And have a bigger impact.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I mean, I can't think of one off the top
of my head that I thought was more NFL ready
give it his pedigree, given everything we watched him do,
given the way other teams would talk about him, just
how other teams would say, like if there's one guy
who could take over a game, it's Marmon Harrison Junior.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Unbelievable, maybe Ashton gend.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Not even Gentsy, not even gents not even Gentsy, Like
because there's elements of what Harrison Junior could do versus
double coverage one on one, you know, I just I just, man,
it's crazy. I really thought he was gonna have a
much bigger impact than what he's had. As far as
Gendy's impact, I mean, he's not a bad.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Football team right now, and he just got started.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Harrison's had a year, you know, he's had a year
and some games now, and you're just like, man, it's
still not consistently clicking.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
If you're asking.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
What's the one thing, it's it's probably that because that's
when you look at the roster, you're like, well, that
guy needs to be you know, catch for over one
hundred yards every single game.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, it's a uh, it's a rough go last night
for Marvin Harrison Junior until the touchdown and he had
a big catch towards the end. I also thought this,
like if you got the ball and I know that
they missed the landing zone and and well can.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
We talk about that though?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah, because for everyone who wanted to, what was the
other game that they made a big deal about because
they couldn't kick it out of the end zone for
a touch back?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Santos? It was Cairo Santos. It was the Bears Vikings,
I think it was. I think it was the first
game of the year.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Like, this is the other end of this was one
that just happened. Yeah, this just happened. What you was
talking about?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, but like this is the other end that no
one talks about.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
It's like all right, it's not like this it's a
gimme that you're gonna like kick the ball out of
bounds whatever else.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I mean, it's not an easy spot to be in.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Like every I think everyone understood he was trying to
kick the ball so they had to return it to
run time off the clock.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
But then he kicks it too short. You know, It's
like it's a it's a fine line.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
It's not an easy thing to do necessarily, So I
just I think the I guess the interesting that I'd
point out about the kickoff is it has become a
consequential play, like more so than ever. Yeah, And I'm
not sure if that's a good thing or a bad
thing as far as how we're rewarding or pedalizing teams
with it, because I don't know that you should be
(18:09):
penalized to the point where they get the ball with
the forty yard line, and it seems like kind of
an egregious penalty for just like kicking it short to
what the twenty or twenty one.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It's it's I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
It's like when they move the pat back, all of
a sudden, it's become a real play again, and you're wondering,
like is that the most fair way to put kickers?
And yeah, well the plays and automatics, so we're going
to make it more difficult. And you've seen kickers miss
pats all the time ever since then. And I was
watching that game last night, going all right, so they
get the ball at the forty realistically nowadays, with the
(18:42):
way kickers are, you only need twenty yards. Yeah, twenty
yards and they had what like fifty something or thirty
something seconds left and a timeout like it, like that's
a an eternity to be able to get into position
with the way guys kick now. And if you're Brandon Aubrey,
all you need to just get me to the forty five.
Can you guys pick up? You know, fifteen yards? Just
(19:04):
get me to the forty five will be fine. Like
the whole game has changed with the way kickers are.
Are are bombing kicks now, like you it's no longer well,
they got to really drive deep. They got to get
to the thirty if they want to shot at this
whole thing. Man, they just need to go twenty yards
and they're within field goal range.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Now it's wild and.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I'm not going to accuse anybody of being on the gas,
but I just think we need to look into that,
all right. Just it's not this is abnormal distances that
kickers are kicking from from what we've always known.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
So who's going to piss hot?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Like?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Who are challenging?
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I don't know Jack is, what's what's he up to?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I don't know pissing hot?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Do you think levard piss hot right now? If you
tested them?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
No? No, I think he does.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I mean, if you think I'm pissing hot the way
I look, then what a waste of time?
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Don't start doing that way?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
What a waste?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Don't don't you don't you dare go down this road.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I'm just saying, if I'm stand up for yourself, more
different than this, you stand up? I mean, do you
have to lift weights? If you use gas?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You should see Here's I think the problem. I think
what's happening is, uh.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
You'll see Zion Williamson.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well, I think that's.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
A different type. He's he's he's unletted right now? Was
that Olympic? What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
The problem is Lebar was doing you only look to
say Lebar was doing research on the plane last night
and he went down a deep dive on Jamie Lee Curtis,
and so I think that kind of threw him off
to getting into that.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Did throw me off a little bit. After a good
spit out of my beverage and and a good laugh,
I tuned out for that.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Is that what you're saying, that's what the that's what
the that's.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
What the headline headline, that's what the headline said. I mean,
they're twins like Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwarzenegger. And even
that's closer than what that was. That that's on that
that that picture and our kids, because the one daughter
is clearly a very very very good looking daughter, and
(21:26):
then the other one kind of looks like, you know,
like you know, like he'd be like delivering your I mean,
she would be delivering your your mail, you know. I
don't know. One looked like SI swimsuit cover model. The
other one looked like they were like, you know, delivering
you know, boxes to your house.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
A prep star, you.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Know that person at the local uh, you know grocery,
you know that's doing the meats and the butcher shop.
You know, That's what the other daughter looked like. Just saying,
why do butchers all look the same? By the way, like,
have you ever seen a butcher that didn't look like
a butcher?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yeah? I don't think butchers look the same at all.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
No, I'm not on whatever you're saying right now? Oh,
what do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
What are you saying? What do you mean that?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Well?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I do know this.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
It's all about first impressions.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And no, no, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
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Speaker 2 (22:58):
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Speaker 1 (22:59):
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Speaker 3 (23:04):
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Speaker 4 (23:06):
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going to be in Europe again this weekend. We've got
the Vikings, We've got the Steelers there in Dublin. You know, yes,
we may know somebody who what what a what a place.
Our Lord and Savior, Scott Shapiro is going to be
there seeing his skull vikings. Yeah, going to be out
(26:20):
there to go see him. A big event for everybody,
and everybody's really fired up about it. And then Roger
Goodell says in an interview with CNBC that there are
international markets that could manage an NFL team, which I'm
sure that they are. I would just ask this question.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Have we really.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Gone everywhere we could in the US? Like, is there
no market in the US that could also support a
team that we need to grow at internationally? Is there
not a city in the US or a market in
the US that could use a little love from the
NFL as opposed to taking all of this and sending
it overseas to Europe, Like that's that's my big question.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I don't think it's one about that, Like you're you're
you're not looking at this the way the NFL season
the NFL season as the way of growing the sport
to grow their bottom line. And I would say this,
tell me which is more valued a franchise in Jacksonville, Florida, or.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
One in London, probably London. Okay.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
What about the difference between I don't know, Carolina versus Frankfurt,
Germany or let's say doublin Ireland.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
That one's more debatable because I mean, I mean Carolina,
it's not market. It's a nice market, it's not it's
a small market. It's how small well.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I wouldn't I don't think it's I don't know, it's
in the top.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Twenty, Charlotte Charlotte R.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Go ahead, Keith talking.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
No.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
My general point is like, if you're looking at trying
to grow the fan interest and the franchise value of
these teams, the best way they'll be able to do
it is if they go to a larger city where
they're going to be able to be more absorbed by
that market, you know, create more value for their franchise.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Like, that's the immediate way you'd be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
So and again, if you think it's bigger than you know,
some of these bigger international cities, it's it's not even close.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yah. I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
That, Yeah, I agree, but but but that's how the
that's the thing is, people aren't looking at this anymore
from as a fan that the second that you allowed
teams to be bought a best percentage of by private equity,
you should you The running is on the wall.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Folks like these, These owners don't care about the fans.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
They don't. They don't a lot of business owners don't
care about their customer as much anymore. They don't. Like
we have hit an inflection point in our society where
if you own a business, you're going one or two ways.
You're either, you know, passing it down to your family,
and you're gonna try to run that thing as best
(29:10):
way you see, because you know that that matters long
term for your kids. That's part of your legacy. That's
what you're leaving them. That's one route. We don't really
see that as much anymore. I mean, we were seeing
that with the Earth says, I guess with mister passing,
obviously he has been passing it down to his daughters.
You know, we see with some other organizations, the Rounies,
or you go out the maras with the New York Giants.
(29:31):
But in some cases look at the Broncos that you
can get passed down from mister Bowlan to his kids.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Those in a state, So they sold it. Now the
Wallden family is involved in that.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
So the other direction is maybe the kids don't want
to run it, Maybe they just want to cash out
of the business.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
They don't want to be a part of that business.
Well then they're selling it.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
And once you sell it, you're selling it to someone
who has no ties whatsoever, no history whatsoever with the
whatever that is sports team, name your business. And what
happens is it becomes all about the bottom line. How
am I going to recoup what I'm paying for this
business so I can sell it one day and make
out like a bandit or make my return on my money.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
That's what this has become.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
And so we can sit here right in the here
and now the short term and go, oh no, they're
just trying to expand the footprint of the NFL stuff.
But the reality is there is a longer term plan
of how the NFL is not going to plateau and
how it's going to keep growing and the franchise values
of these teams is going to keep growing. You know,
(30:38):
people look at flag football as being a part of
the Olympics, as this push for everything's going to move
to flag at some point one day.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
No, it's not.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
No, that's the easiest way to segue to get other
countries more interested in the sport of football. So then
once you get them in on flag, then they come
see the real version of them, like, dang, this is sweet.
We need to start doing this. And once that hits,
once that takes, you could say it's not gonna work.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
It already is. That's the reality. It already is.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
It's just a gateway.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Tried it, they've tried it before. It's not it will.
American football will never be more than what it is.
Too much more than what it is now.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Talk to me ten years from now, man, because because
the reality is what they're seeing is NFL Europe, right,
which was not are the starters, was not the best
of the best, laid the groundwork for a lot of
why you see the fandom of football today.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Today.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
It failed. It failed, and it didn't fail.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
They chose to shut it down. They weren't to putting
enough money into it. And that's fine, however, but that
doesn't mean that it's not gonna work.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Now, that's a fail That was NFL Europe.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
NFL Europe was honestly, probably one of the greatest thoughts
for spreading the game of American football. Preparing quarter mind
you or even other players like that might have been
the best idea for a developmental league ever because players
who weren't getting experienced were getting experienced in real, live
game scenarios. Coaches who were maybe position coaches, they got
(32:15):
to call plays, they got to be coordinators, they got
to be maybe head coaches.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
In some cases, So that was that element of it.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
You had officials who maybe weren't ready for the NFL,
but they got that experience and they got some tread
on their tires from that. You even had broadcasters like
talk to Troy Aikman, talk talk to people who when
they first got into broadcasting, guys who went over and
did games over there, Producers behind the scenes, analysts on
camera like Todd Brady would have done some games where
(32:43):
he could kind of, you know, start off, start off
his career now on the biggest national stage.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
All that stuff was one of the best ideas ever.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Development of it was as well developed and as successful
as you're saying, it would still be here and it
would be bigger.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That's no, that's not true, dude. That's not how business works.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Because there's great businesses that as but they're okay, you
don't doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It doesn't, it doesn't if it.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Does, not that it didn't work. The owners didn't want
to keep putting money into it. And that's the.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Problem is the business that well, explain how that? How
does that?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Okay, I'll explain on the sports Just how long did you.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Say it on earlier on in the in the segment
now you're saying the owners that's.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
How you're trying to create value for the franchise right now,
So how long did it take Amazon to turn a profit?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Should they have just given up and didn't?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Exactly so, should should Jeff Bezos and just giving up
because they weren't able to turn a profit?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Like that's the reality of.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
That's not an apples the apples conversation because the NFL
is the NFL, NFL is something totally different.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
That was a developmental league. Yeah, yeah, development and so
they got.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Tired of putting to that point, No development league has none. Sure,
I think the only successful, the only successful outside of
the NFL football that works is Canadian League football, Like
that's it, which.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Which which actually is failing more than ever now.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Because I mean it's never been relevant here other.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Than they're changing post stars, they're actually shortening the end zone,
they're actually they're actually making a lot of changes to
make it more like American. But that's a whole other
separate discussion. But the point is is the idea of
what it was was actually really smart. It was really
good for the league at that time. I mean you
had guys like Kurt Warner, Like, there's guys who came
out of that who made big impacts in the NFL.
(34:37):
There's people who are in TV production, there's people who
are coaches that were like, man, that was a blast.
I got some experience, I learned a lot. So that's
that's an idea to me, sure, But but an idea
doesn't always become a great business. But what you're missing
is the fact that it did lay the groundwork for
a lot of the interests. Like when Jonas and I
go to Dublin and I talked to some of the
(34:57):
people who are interested about the game, some of the
people we'll mention or they'll be like, oh, I first,
you know slid back on the NFL Europe. Like people
would mention that, I know you would on that chat that.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Day, like that yeah, I wasn't on that trip, so
I can't exactly.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
So I'm just telling you, like when people say that stuff,
you're like, oh, okay, it did have its impact on that.
And so in regards to the comment about the bottom line, Yeah,
if you're able to move a franchise, Like if I
took a business from California to Texas and immediately it
became have a greater enterprise value, would that not be
increasing the value of just by simply moving the company.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I do not believe. I do not believe, but yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
How it works.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
You can move a business from one place to another
and it immediately can increase in value.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
The infrastructure of what football represents will never grow to
that level in in abroad countries will.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
So you don't think we'll ever get a team in London.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I think there will be a team that goes there eventually.
Do I think that it will be a successful, a
successful business venture to take multiple teams and end up
having multiple teams in Europe? The only way it's successful
is if you have advertisers and sponsors that see it
(36:17):
fit to to be a part of what the bohemoth
of the NFL is. Marketing and advertising wise, and their
their product is consumed abroad. Like to me that that
would be the only way it would make sense in
terms of it being a grassroots sport. It will never
it will never get to being a grassroots sport that
(36:40):
grows organically the way that intentionally the way it does
here in America.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
So are you telling me that there's current sponsors of
the NFL that aren't global companies or don't want to
and maybe increase their reach.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
No, I'm saying that would be I'm saying that would
be the reason why that would not reach accession that
would make you know, that would make it purely for
sponsor based driven content, and which is how how you
increase the way to be grassroots. It wouldn't be grass
I'm making it containable.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
You're conflating the two points. I'm not.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
I'm not combining what NFL Europe was into anything other
than creating what the interest is in the American football
over in Europe.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
By what that did that you.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Want to give a few couple of decades ago a
spectacle to go see, but it's largely a corporate driven
event abroad. Then sure you you put a team there
or maybe one more somewhere else and that that that works.
But you're talking about but if you're talking about putting
an entire division or a whole bunch of teams over there,
(37:47):
I just don't. I don't see it. I don't, I
don't see.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
That's what went over there when we went over with
the Broncos. That's what they talked about. It would make
the most sense not to move one, but to actually
have four teams over there, because then as far as
the travel back and forth in the time zones, it
would be more advantageous for those teams to have an
entire division.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I'll bet that I know, Ray, I'll bet you I'll
fade you on that one. I'll faith I'll.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Just tell you what I was told this like over
a decade ago.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Listen, if I'm just saying I'll fade you on, I mean,
I do not think that there will be four teams
that successfully exists in Europe.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
All right, well not well, I mean listen, you can
fade away all you want next time you go on
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Speaker 7 (39:50):
So, on the new episode of Up in Adams with
Kate Adams, former NFL MVP Seawan Alexander shared that his
wife is pregnant.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
With a drum roll please.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
They're fourteenth the child.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
Yeah, that's awesome, Antonio CAMMARTI this second because I thought,
like Antonio Hammarty was like ten eleven kids, but no,
he has fourteen. So Shawn Alexander, he's in the rafts
and whatever.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Awesome. Good for him? Good for him?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Are you if?
Speaker 4 (40:20):
If he called Jonas jo big od sorry man, you
got too much gold, too much?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Say so now? He did say that his his oldest
kids are old enough to be the like the great
uncles and aunts and that the ones beneath them are
actually old enough to watch them and take care of
them if they can't. But they got to get like
two buses, like they drive like two vehicles or something
(40:47):
to that. He's get a school bus. Just get one
of those buses.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Imagine calling for a dinner reservation party is sixteen?
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Is that I need to call events?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
No?
Speaker 3 (41:00):
No, no, that's just our family, sixteen people.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
It's wild, jeezeeen. Fifteen
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