December 4, 2025 • 43 mins
Thursday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys talk about the beef between Ole Miss AD Keith Carter and newly minted Head Coach of LSU Lane Kiffin, ICYMI, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:30):
How we feeling here? Everybody?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Fired up?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Hey, Hey, hey, hi, lots of lots of he said,
he said, Hey, hey, between between Ole Miss and Lane
Kiffin and sort of how that story is gone.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
The social media stuff or literally between Ole Miss and
Lane Kif.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You know how much of the social media stuff is real,
like the pictures, the screenshots. I can't trust anything now
because I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Who AI or it's weird.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
You're right, Like, I'm desensitized too, what's real and what isn't?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Hey, I just kind of spoiled it for everybody, kind
of messed it up. So what do you mean desensitized?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Well, like you used to have sensitivities to certain content. Well,
I used to have sensitivities.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
To certain I've seen some of your content.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I mean that's not my content. I mean I got
I made great content. Actually the content that.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I make content you showed me I've seen.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, Nah, that's not content I've made. I've shared it,
and I don't know if it's real or if it's
ai to be honest, I started it.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I mean, I'm just saying I don't know what's real
and what's fake. So I'm not sensitive to real versus
fake anymore. It's just kind of like if it's not
super relevant, like if you're if we're not talking about
like a world war starting or something like that. I
don't really generally invest too much emotion into or time
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or or thought into the post. I mean I like
to keep it simple. Like those are mountains. I would
climb them and then I would come back down them.
Like that's generally, like, you know, kind of how simple.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I keep it, by the way, for you know, defensive
Lane Kiffin or Joey Freshman or whatever he's whatever, whatever
he's calling uh, whatever he's calling himself when he goes out.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Listen, he's not a married guy.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Do whatever he wants, you know, so if he wants
to go out and you know, send messages if these
are true, and these messages are real to uh, to
you know, women, so what yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I mean, is he breaking the law? Now? Is are they?
Are they miners?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
No?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Are you're just assuming? I mean you could be a
minor in college? There are seventeen year olds in college. Yeah,
I don't think that's the case, but you know, I mean,
and is it appropriate for an adult and an official?
Which I think would be more of the question here
if it were, If all of this is true, is
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the conduct is the conduct detrimental to the university? Is
the conduct? Is the conduct inappropriate? Would it be perceived
is inappropriate conduct? And I think that that's more or
less to me. What comes to mind like this coming
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out is trying to or it sounds or seems as
though it's like diminishing who he is. It's an attempt
to diminish who he is or villainize further, maybe villainize
who he is through this way of doing it. But
I don't know in this day and age, I mean,
they probably make him a hero if he was going.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
He sounds like a scumbag. Let's be he does. He
does what it is he's talking to these like twenty
year old women. Okay, he knows they have.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Boyfriends, and he's like still doing it anyway, So it
comes off as him being scummy and how old is
he and he's messing with college girls, and I just
I don't know, he looks like Daniel Tosh from Tosh
point zero.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
He lied about the majority of how all this.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Went down in regards to the team wanting him to
coach in the ball game and him wanting to coach
the team and all that, all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
There's back and forth. I just it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I mean, clearly coaches have infatuations with younger you know,
younger people these days, right, I mean Bill Belichick is
the poster child, the poster man of going at a
younger chick.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
B Yeah, he's with the poster child.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, you know, I'm just saying he ended up with
the posters out. But how many children were there before
that's out?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
We don't know. It didn't come out.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Pablotoris on that one. That'll be his next deep dive.
I'm sure he'll come up with now. As far as
the subject of Lane Kiffin's departure from ole Miss, Keith Carter,
the athletic director there at ole Miss, was on super
Talk Mississippi, Okay, and he was discussing the departure and
sort of some of the stories that Lane Kiffin has
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told about wanting to stay on with the team and
coach them in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Oh, let's take a listen.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
When was Lane kiffen told that he would not coach
Ole Miss in the playoff because he very publicly has
said over and over that that is something that he
wanted to do and didn't seem to be able to
understand why that wasn't going to work.
Speaker 7 (06:56):
Yeah, there's been a lot of things he said publicly
that I'm not sure to totally accurate. You know, I
think that that that both coach and his representation knew,
you know, several weeks ago that the coaching in the
playoffs was not going to be an option if he
was not the Ole Miss head coach.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And you know, I seen him.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Finding out at eight point thirty on Sunday morning for
the very first time that he would not be coaching
the playoff is not accurate.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
No, that's not accurate. That's not accurate. The only thing
that was a little bit of a wrinkle in it, Richard,
was the fact that if you know, if if Alabama,
if Auburn had beaten Alabama, we were going to play
in the SEC championship, that through a little wrinkle in it.
Not to say he would have coached in that game,
but with the shorter time period that was, you know,
that was maybe the only little nuance to it. But
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absolutely it was very clear that, you know, coaching in
the postseason was not going to be an option for
coach Kiffin, you know a few weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
So yeah, but not being an option because of him
or because of the decision by the AD. He didn't
matter that that wasn't clear in the in the SoundBite.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Keith Carter, the AD speaking there, it was his decision, right,
I mean, that's what he's essentially saying.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Okay, there's there's two things about this.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
One I do know too much about this, and I
will say this, it was painted.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Out to Lane Kiffen that he would not.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Be able to coach at Old Miss if you decided
to go somewhere else. However, Lane continued to keep trying
to make the case to Old Miss that he wanted
to continue to coach them.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So there was that.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Now, what the lie was is that the players, once
he announced he was going to LSU, wanted him to
coach in the playoff. That was the lie. I don't
know that every player felt that way. Maybe there was
some that wanted him to, Maybe there's some who were indifferent.
I mean, it's gonna be interesting after the playoffs and
after the season whenever it ends for Old Miss, how
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many join him at LSU.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
But I do know.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
That not all, not all the players want him to coach.
There were some who have heard about it. Keith Carter
did take a stance, if you're not gonna be here,
you can't coach here. And Layne was trying to, as
I've said before, have his cake and eat it too.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And by the.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Way, there's multiple coaches who fall in this category. You know,
if Duke beats UVA, the door opens up for James
Madison to get into the college Football Playoff. Bob Chesney
is now going to be the head coach at UCLA.
He's gonna be still allowed to coach jam You you
know I already painted out pictures too about John summerl
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who's going to Florida. But at Selaine right now, they
win the AAC, they'll probably be the highest ranked group
of sixteen. And by the way, they'll get in over
Duke because they beat them head to head. So if
you start going through the scenarios, there's a good chance
there's other coaches who have decided to coach somewhere else
that are being allowed to potentially coach their teams not
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just in the Conference championshi weekend, but also into the playoff.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So there's a little truth on both sides of this.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
And the only thing I'd say that is not probably
even talked about enough is Charlie Wise Junior fought to
go back to coach because he's the only coach going
back who went with Lane Lsu to coach to the playoffs.
Pete Golden, Keith Carter knew they needed someone on the
offensive side of the ball to call plays because they.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Had no one.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
I guess it was gonna be Joe Judge if not
for Charlie Weis Junior, and he fought for the opportunity
to go back there and coach those kids. Whereas if not,
they would have been in a world have hurt. I
think going into this playoff, I.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Just wonder what's the.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
What's the backstory of trying to figure it all out,
you know, if they didn't want if it's as cut
and dry as Okay, Lane, you two somewhere else, you're
not coaching there. Okay, you're not coaching here now now
ole Miss has to figure out what they do, and
you guys have made it clear that it isn't going
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to impact how they're looked at and how they're viewed
in terms of the college playoffs. So if none of
those things are impacted and affected, what does it matter? Like,
I don't really care if the AD or if Lane Kiffin,
you know, Lane is gone, he's not coaching. We got
that conclusion. Beyond that, what, Like, I don't I feel
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like that's like gossip.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I don't understand what's the what's the main purpose of
trying to establish if Lane was going to be able
to coach or not. That's that's what I mean, that's
my initial thought to it. Like at this point, I'm
more interested in the fact that he was sliding in
DMS more so than yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Mean that's not as clear cut.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I mean that's not as clear clearcut is if you
choose another school, you're not coaching here. He chose another school,
he's he's not coaching them in in the in the playoff.
What what's what's next? Well, I think it's the do
we expect do we expect Old Miss to be a
real player? If they do which we assume, I assume
they're going to make the playoff? Do we expect them
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to be a major player in the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I am interested to see how they perform if they
go out, if they go out in the first round.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
If they go out in the first round, does that
make Lane Kiffen a more I don't like them? Figure
does Does their performances have any bearing on how we
view Lane Kiffen?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, he's still ging paid the more they win. Else
he was paying them for every win they make it
the playoff. That's wonderful. So he's root for him, trust
I'm sure he is.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
But I'm saying general generally speaking, general public, is there
going to be like this visceral effect to them losing
in the first round of the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I don't think so, because again he wanted to coach them.
Keith Carter is the one that's not letting them.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah. I just feel like we've gotten to that point
and we know that. So here's the.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Other thing I'd say too, is they actually have a
really really good chance as they currently sit at the
sixth seed. I mean, if you look at how this
whole thing could shape out or shape up, they would
probably play the conference champ number four, which is potentially Uva,
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or if they were to be Duke or to be
either that scenario that I just painted out to Tallane
or JMU, so that would be their first game, and
then as it currently stands, it'd probably be Georgia after that.
Now it's going to change a little bit. It could
be Indiana. Indiana's currently sitting at the number two spot
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if they lose to Ohio State, I don't know if
it's going to draw much more to than three. So
Old Miss could be playing Uva or a group of
six conference champion JMU or Tulane, and then they'd have
to play Indiana, which, if you're being honest with yourselves,
between these four teams Ohio State, Georgia, Texas Tech, and Indiana.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Who would you rather play Indiana.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Yeah, like that's probably the team you're saying probably have
the best chance against. If I was an odds maker,
I'd say that would be the best spread line against
any any of those four teams.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
For Old Miss.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And the Indiana spanks Ohio State and it's sure they're
not changing.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Ohio State drops, and then you're playing the Buckeyes.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
And maybe you don't want that one your soul, you
don't Yeah, you don't want that one, Lord Belta ass,
Yeah you don't want it. But but you get My
point is like this is it's kind of wild, like
this is a team that ultimately can take it to
the semi finals because of their current seating right now.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, we were a benefactor to that last year. It
just yeah, that is kind of true.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
It it feels like it's the We talked a little
bit about this with Petros yesterday, but it feels like
this is the same ending to virtually every place that
Lane Kiffen goes. Like it never ends smoothly. There's always
something attached to it, whether it was you know, Tennessee USC,
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the Raiders. It just like there's always something and way
like explain it, Like the tarmac, and.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
It's never a clean exit.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
It's never an exit with I don't know, grace for
lack of a better term. There's always something else there.
There's always more to it. There's always a he said,
he said, there's like when he left Tennessee he clowned
them and trolled them afterwards. The USC tarmac stuff, the
stuff with it just feels like there's always it's never
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squeaky clean.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It always gets out and gets a little bit messy.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And when you hear the more you know, players are
coming out saying, well, you know, you told us something
different in the meeting, the DMS, the ad, the back
and forth. It just feels like the more that stuff
comes out, the less possible it was for him to
stick around there. Like I wonder if Keith Carter kind
of recognized, listen, man, he's leaving like it's again. This
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whole thing is wrapping up quickly. And we talked about
it on Monday. Then Lane Kiffin probably realized I've reached
my ceiling here. I can get something better elsewhere. And
I think almost probably since that and this is the
way this was always.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Going to end up.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Well, I mean that's the season was a successful season
record wise, and that gave him leverage and for what
it's worth, for everything that you just said, if people
weren't moved by lane Kiffin, lane Kiffin wouldn't have had
all these opportunities for it to the way that it ends.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Keep that in mind. He doesn't have to get hired
from place to place, so he makes it move well.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I think people that look at lane Kiffin phil as
though he moves the needle that from the way he is,
all the things you're explaining, the way he looks, his lineage,
you know what he's connected to. He's a part of
the game. He's a he's a grandfathered inn, he's a
he's a child of the game. He has a legendary
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coach as a father. So I just think that he's
an intriguing person. He does things the way that he doesn't.
He does it in a way where it's it's entertaining
when you watch him because you're looking at him and
you're like, what is he going to say? I don't
know that you ever when you see him standing in
front of the camera, what is he going to do?
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What is he going to say? And he knows it,
he's aware of it. Not a dumb man at all.
I've been around him. I'm not a bestie, but I've
been around him. I've listened to him. He's very he's
just a he's just a thoughtful dude. But he well,
he's just he's he's in his head though. He just
seems like he's like a real cerebral dude, like kind
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of kind of weird. But so what, most most brilliant
people are weird. And while I'm not saying he's brilliant,
and and for what he's been able to accomplish and
what he's been able to do, and we're talking about
him and he just signed a stroke to really really
really lucrative deal to coach.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
These things keep coming his way. Would you say he's touched. Yeah,
he's touched a little bit. He's touched a little bit.
But he's successful.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
And and when you're successful, you tend to be able
to kind of elude what goes along with some of
these stories. And you connect some of these stories to
someone who isn't being successful, look at what the conclusion is.
They disappear, Lane Kiff, it ain't went nowhere. Listen to
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the names you said, usc Tennessee, Oh miss r now
LSU the Raiders, Like, Bro, you're not getting all those jobs.
You know how hard it is to get a job
out the gate, like one job one of those names
like this dude's don't he make it stop by stop?
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LSU probably ain't even his last stop? No, probably right,
So like let that man live, go ahead, Like so.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It's just like he was there, what six years? That
all miss eventually? Would you say?
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Sometimes guys just have a propensity to want to move on,
like they're just never going to stand anywhere long. He
seems like he's like that in his personal life. He
seems like he's like that in his professional life. He's
just not one of those guys that you can expect
to be there for a long time. And by the way,
I don't know that many coaches are going to be coaching.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Of these places for a really long time. I think
that's pretty rare.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
You know, usually your fan bases get fickled, they get
upset about things. I mean, Kirk Farn's been an Ioway
for as long as he has is a rarity. I
don't think you ever see that ever.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Again, It's gonna be hard with the landscape the way
that it is it's just it's not it's not feasible
to think unless there's a model that's created or a
standard that somebody is able to create. Starting with leadership,
there's so many different elements at play. You got school boards,
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you got school presidents or chancellors or head of schools whatever.
You got all these different decision making people and bodies
and what takes place and ads and now what.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Is the coach doing?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And this coach gets pulled away by another school, and
it's just so many moving parts anymore. And at the
end of the day, the fans are fickle for all
all the for all of the programs, Like it's not
unique to one program. They're fickle for every program, and
they want to see a winner, and they want to
see it the way that they want to see it.
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Once noise starts, then the noise grows, then there's going
to be action taken.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
You know, it used to be.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
A time where coaches could control the narratives that were
coming from the program. Ad stayed out of the way.
You didn't even hear anything from the school who's governing
the school. Just don't let your kids do anything that
brings any type of bad media. You know, ill will
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or anything towards the school, but they stay people stayed
out of the way. This year you got freaking what senators? Governor?
Was it the governor? And that LSU who was?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You got? You got the.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Governor, you got Congress, you got you got politicians getting
involved in what's going on now.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
So I just you know, it's never going to be
the same.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
And I feel like the question becomes in the new normal,
how does that work?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Can?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Can can dynasties be built? Can you see long lasting
runs of success? Is it the same people that are
doing it? And and can we can we can? Can
this new era, new time in sports? Is it something
that people really can get behind from a genuine perspective
or is it all superficial? I mean, I think that
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that's and that's a tough one. That's a tough one.
Could you go to a school like you're an alumni here,
or you played here, you're a letterman here, or you know,
you're raising your kids a certain type of way, but
do you like the coach that's going to be there
by the time your kids are hitting the college and
you know where.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Is the school at?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
You know, culture wise, it's just there's a lot of
moving parts, man, and those parts can move from year
to year, and and it's such so much more intense
to win and and be able to represent a U university.
I mean James James was one game away from a
national title and is now at Virginia Tech.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Like just times have changed, man, times have really changed.
And people got him brace.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
With number two team this year till like week five
or six of college football.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And now that man is at a different school.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, before the conclusion, before the conclusion of the season,
he's at another school.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah before Penn State.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Hard a guy still got his rod in the water
and just uh, just reeling in recruits.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
And good for him as he should. As he should, man,
why are you looking at me like that?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Listen to what you know?
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I would like to see U's move forward, not watch
everybody else moving forward.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
But you know, it is what it is. It is
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are out for the Thanksgiving games. Forty seven point seven
million people watched the Packers and the Lions, so these
are the first two games. It was the most watched
Thanksgiving game ever until the members came out for the
Chiefs Cowboys game, which became the most watched NFL regular
(28:07):
season game in history, as more than fifty seven point
two million viewers watched that game on CBS. So forty
eight million in the first game, fifty seven point two
in the second. It's good to see that the tradition
runs on. Good football on Thanksgiving is still king, as
(28:28):
proven by the numbers.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Here.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Yeah, family about food football, that's Thanksgiving babies, the three
fs woo.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah. Although I will say this.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
There's one more. Let me just put there's two things.
When's the last time you've heard that? Like the end
of the NFL sets a new record the highest rated
most people. It's like, dude, no, can it all? It
can always be like that? Can it always be like that?
I mean, I watched we have the games on, Like,
I get it. But we also have to acknowledge Nielsen
(28:59):
change the rating system them to include what they believe
to be a more accurate way of drawing viewership. And
it started last year for the Super Bowl, which that
super also happened to be one of the highest rateed ever.
Right at some point, it's not like the viewership for
the NFL keeps growing, but they sure as hell like
to make you think that. But I also think it
(29:21):
puts pressure on the NFL with scheduling because now you're
gonna have to have these key marquee matchups on Thanksgiving,
on Christmas Day, on.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
You know, the opening you know, opening week one game
of the season.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
It puts pressure on them to make sure that these
you know, signature days of the year for most families, holidays,
they've got big time matchups, big time brands.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
And why not. Why not?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
It also it also helps that the Lions aren't a
bag of crap anymore. Like there's that because the Lions
had not.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
We've been force fed him the for him, that's that's crazy. Pause.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
We've been forced to fed the Detroit Lions for Thanksgiving
for a really long time.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
It's so funny because when I was thinking.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Detroit Lions and him, it's like it's Barry Sanders. Honestly, like,
the only reason why I made it interesting that the
Detroit Lions were playing on Thanksgiving? Why shouldn you flex
the schedule for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Why not keep the schedule flexible period for marquee games
Mondays Thursdays? Why not from the front, Like, maybe not
the start, but you take it, and you take a
chance that coming into the season when we do the
scheduling and here's who's going to play who on these
(30:50):
early days, we're going to base it off of who
was good last year?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Well, isn't that also why they added the third game
to where the night game was Bengals Ravens, which is,
you know, the least interesting of all of them.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
But but coming into it, you would say, this year
that should have been a ginormous game turns out to
be a flop. But that's why you flex, like get
them out of there, put put two teams in there.
Put two teams in there that make for the best matchup,
(31:22):
and like we said, biggest brands, if it's possible, maybe
it's not possible when you know you lock in obviously
what the schedule is going to be. But try to
find that sweet spot of the markets that the teams
are in the matchups and how well are they doing.
Why should not be a part of what you're doing.
(31:44):
I don't necessarily feel as though, and I know this
might sound crazy. I know the NFL is always trying
to expand, but I don't feel like it's necessarily like
this imperative, super crazy thing to increase keep increasing viewership.
If you have a viewership number that's as impressive and
as goddy as forty to fifty million people who are
(32:06):
doing it, just maintain that. Make sure your product is
good enough that you don't go down. Like if we
go up, great, but we're out of place right now
where these amounts of viewers you're able to command premium
dollar for the advertising that's connected to what you're doing.
So I don't necessarily look at it as what do
(32:28):
we do to keep taking the numbers up? No, what
do you do to make sure that you maintain your
numbers where you're at, this becomes your new floor. And
I think that if you're playing, if you're flexing those games,
I think that's a great to me.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I think that would be a great option flex them.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, Like in other words, we got how many weeks
before we get to to Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Games?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Like we pretty much know who are the teams that
are the hot teams and the leadue by then holiday.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Yeah, I don't think you can do that on a holiday, right,
Like there's a lot of preparations that go into an
early week game like that.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Man, figure it out, money, money, talk to bs, runs marathons,
figure it out man, forty forty fifty million people.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
But that's not like an actual phrase that accomplishes anything
a man.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
We live in different worlds. Mans got like a few
complish anything.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
To hang out with the accomplished, Come hang out with
me for a day. I'll show you it better than
I tell you.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Okay, what does that even be? What do you mean
by that? Many? Man? If you don't know, you don't know,
If you know, you know, that's all I don't know.
I guess you know you know who doesn't know? Well?
Penn State the hell. No, you could take you could
take shots. I mean, that's fine, taken shots.
Speaker 10 (33:58):
It's legal.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
It's on the table, on the table. We were texting
about it last night.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
We were texting about it, by the way, on the
on the subject of the holiday weekend. Uh, you know,
tell me if you guys are surprised by this. Roger
Goodell spoke with the with Joe Flint of the Wall
Street Journey I haven't heard his name, says that the
NFL is considering adding a second black Friday game.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
So we're just gonna how do you feel about that?
Keep on, keep it on. So they're gonna make the
Friday black. You know, we gotta darken this up. What
they're gonna call it? Hello, black Friday?
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Black is hel Friday?
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Where are we going with say? I'm not gonna say.
I'm gonna text you what you've got to say here
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
All right, let's see what it is. Let's see, let's
see what it is. I need to say.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
It has a cubby, I said, I hear the fingers,
but all here we go black fried Friday.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
All right?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
How about how about frid black black on Friday?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Frid Friday, Wild, Black on Friday? Racist? Dang, how's that one?
Black on Black Friday? Now that would be how about
(35:29):
how about how about back to black Friday. You're gonna
play all words there you go black, you never go
back Friday. You go black, you don't go back Friday.
I mean, alright, these lasts you are my favorites. How about.
Speaker 10 (35:49):
Big Big Black Friday's Yeah, Winter, I mean we we
substitute the city for.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
So what would the initials be far bb F big
Black Friday.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a whole lot of black. Yeah it
is all right, Yeah, it is get ahold of ourselves here,
all right.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
So I was the only one able to do that
bit for for comfort reasons.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Huh, all right, that's interesting. I mean lore I thought
was really that was good. You know, you people have
a way of a whoa.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
See then then then you you throw that in at
the end, and it takes the bit to a whole
nother place.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Like I'm not no uncle tom Bro, I'm not I'm
not in the house.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Like, don't throw stuff out like that when we joking around, man,
Like I'm joking, but you can't throw stuff like that
out there when we doing jokes.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Like that bro.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
That ruined the bit? What do you mean you say
the NFL don't do that now? Jeez, what'd you say?
What'd you say?
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Right after I'd say Big Black Friday? What people? Oh wow?
Speaker 10 (37:12):
That fell?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's Roger Goodell.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
By the way, Roger Goodell is singular. You see you
people plural? Who the other people?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
The people in the NFL? Oh yeah? What are they people?
What are they? What color are they off defense? It
depends on what if they're corporate or if they're on
the field.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
You know, it's kind of like a little different kind
of like you like old days, you know, like you
got you got the decision makers and you got the talent.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
This sweet looks a little different than the field tang.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
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(41:42):
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Speaker 1 (41:47):
Can you guys remember a year the NBA didn't have
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Speaker 5 (41:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Can I be honest, I thought he already got traded.
I don't know why. Maybe I just stopped paying attention
on that Frock. Did he miss some time, was injured
or something? Well, he left last night's gain. I think
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But even to the start of the cease, I could
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He's been around for a long time, and it's just
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Speaker 4 (42:25):
I don't do we have another one, because I want
to try to jump on one that we can really
jump on, like that one was kind of like yeah, sorry,
get him out of here earlier. No, no, that wasn't
you guys that Well, we don't have time but to him, dang. Yeah,
we chose an NBA.
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That's the NBA dip. I mean it's the Greek freak himself.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Eh.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Does the Greek Freak does that name, that nickname work
in a different market. I think it's established in.
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Speaker 2 (01:30):
How we feeling here? Everybody?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Fired up?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Hey, Hey, hey, hi, lots of lots of he said,
he said, Hey, hey, between between Ole Miss and Lane
Kiffin and sort of how that story is gone.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
The social media stuff or literally between Ole Miss and
Lane Kif.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You know how much of the social media stuff is real,
like the pictures, the screenshots. I can't trust anything now
because I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Who AI or it's weird.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
You're right, Like, I'm desensitized too, what's real and what isn't?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Hey, I just kind of spoiled it for everybody, kind
of messed it up. So what do you mean desensitized?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Well, like you used to have sensitivities to certain content. Well,
I used to have sensitivities.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
To certain I've seen some of your content.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I mean that's not my content. I mean I got
I made great content. Actually the content that.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I make content you showed me I've seen.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, Nah, that's not content I've made. I've shared it,
and I don't know if it's real or if it's
ai to be honest, I started it.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I mean, I'm just saying I don't know what's real
and what's fake. So I'm not sensitive to real versus
fake anymore. It's just kind of like if it's not
super relevant, like if you're if we're not talking about
like a world war starting or something like that. I
don't really generally invest too much emotion into or time
(03:11):
or or thought into the post. I mean I like
to keep it simple. Like those are mountains. I would
climb them and then I would come back down them.
Like that's generally, like, you know, kind of how simple.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I keep it, by the way, for you know, defensive
Lane Kiffin or Joey Freshman or whatever he's whatever, whatever
he's calling uh, whatever he's calling himself when he goes out.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Listen, he's not a married guy.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Do whatever he wants, you know, so if he wants
to go out and you know, send messages if these
are true, and these messages are real to uh, to
you know, women, so what yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I mean, is he breaking the law? Now? Is are they?
Are they miners?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
No?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Are you're just assuming? I mean you could be a
minor in college? There are seventeen year olds in college. Yeah,
I don't think that's the case, but you know, I mean,
and is it appropriate for an adult and an official?
Which I think would be more of the question here
if it were, If all of this is true, is
(04:22):
the conduct is the conduct detrimental to the university? Is
the conduct? Is the conduct inappropriate? Would it be perceived
is inappropriate conduct? And I think that that's more or
less to me. What comes to mind like this coming
(04:43):
out is trying to or it sounds or seems as
though it's like diminishing who he is. It's an attempt
to diminish who he is or villainize further, maybe villainize
who he is through this way of doing it. But
I don't know in this day and age, I mean,
they probably make him a hero if he was going.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
He sounds like a scumbag. Let's be he does. He
does what it is he's talking to these like twenty
year old women. Okay, he knows they have.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Boyfriends, and he's like still doing it anyway, So it
comes off as him being scummy and how old is
he and he's messing with college girls, and I just
I don't know, he looks like Daniel Tosh from Tosh
point zero.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
He lied about the majority of how all this.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Went down in regards to the team wanting him to
coach in the ball game and him wanting to coach
the team and all that, all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
There's back and forth. I just it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I mean, clearly coaches have infatuations with younger you know,
younger people these days, right, I mean Bill Belichick is
the poster child, the poster man of going at a
younger chick.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
B Yeah, he's with the poster child.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, you know, I'm just saying he ended up with
the posters out. But how many children were there before
that's out?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
We don't know. It didn't come out.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Pablotoris on that one. That'll be his next deep dive.
I'm sure he'll come up with now. As far as
the subject of Lane Kiffin's departure from ole Miss, Keith Carter,
the athletic director there at ole Miss, was on super
Talk Mississippi, Okay, and he was discussing the departure and
sort of some of the stories that Lane Kiffin has
(06:36):
told about wanting to stay on with the team and
coach them in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Oh, let's take a listen.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
When was Lane kiffen told that he would not coach
Ole Miss in the playoff because he very publicly has
said over and over that that is something that he
wanted to do and didn't seem to be able to
understand why that wasn't going to work.
Speaker 7 (06:56):
Yeah, there's been a lot of things he said publicly
that I'm not sure to totally accurate. You know, I
think that that that both coach and his representation knew,
you know, several weeks ago that the coaching in the
playoffs was not going to be an option if he
was not the Ole Miss head coach.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And you know, I seen him.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Finding out at eight point thirty on Sunday morning for
the very first time that he would not be coaching
the playoff is not accurate.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
No, that's not accurate. That's not accurate. The only thing
that was a little bit of a wrinkle in it, Richard,
was the fact that if you know, if if Alabama,
if Auburn had beaten Alabama, we were going to play
in the SEC championship, that through a little wrinkle in it.
Not to say he would have coached in that game,
but with the shorter time period that was, you know,
that was maybe the only little nuance to it. But
(07:42):
absolutely it was very clear that, you know, coaching in
the postseason was not going to be an option for
coach Kiffin, you know a few weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
So yeah, but not being an option because of him
or because of the decision by the AD. He didn't
matter that that wasn't clear in the in the SoundBite.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Keith Carter, the AD speaking there, it was his decision, right,
I mean, that's what he's essentially saying.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Okay, there's there's two things about this.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
One I do know too much about this, and I
will say this, it was painted.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Out to Lane Kiffen that he would not.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Be able to coach at Old Miss if you decided
to go somewhere else. However, Lane continued to keep trying
to make the case to Old Miss that he wanted
to continue to coach them.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So there was that.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Now, what the lie was is that the players, once
he announced he was going to LSU, wanted him to
coach in the playoff. That was the lie. I don't
know that every player felt that way. Maybe there was
some that wanted him to, Maybe there's some who were indifferent.
I mean, it's gonna be interesting after the playoffs and
after the season whenever it ends for Old Miss, how
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many join him at LSU.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
But I do know.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
That not all, not all the players want him to coach.
There were some who have heard about it. Keith Carter
did take a stance, if you're not gonna be here,
you can't coach here. And Layne was trying to, as
I've said before, have his cake and eat it too.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And by the.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Way, there's multiple coaches who fall in this category. You know,
if Duke beats UVA, the door opens up for James
Madison to get into the college Football Playoff. Bob Chesney
is now going to be the head coach at UCLA.
He's gonna be still allowed to coach jam You you
know I already painted out pictures too about John summerl
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who's going to Florida. But at Selaine right now, they
win the AAC, they'll probably be the highest ranked group
of sixteen. And by the way, they'll get in over
Duke because they beat them head to head. So if
you start going through the scenarios, there's a good chance
there's other coaches who have decided to coach somewhere else
that are being allowed to potentially coach their teams not
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just in the Conference championshi weekend, but also into the playoff.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So there's a little truth on both sides of this.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
And the only thing I'd say that is not probably
even talked about enough is Charlie Wise Junior fought to
go back to coach because he's the only coach going
back who went with Lane Lsu to coach to the playoffs.
Pete Golden, Keith Carter knew they needed someone on the
offensive side of the ball to call plays because they.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Had no one.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
I guess it was gonna be Joe Judge if not
for Charlie Weis Junior, and he fought for the opportunity
to go back there and coach those kids. Whereas if not,
they would have been in a world have hurt. I
think going into this playoff, I.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Just wonder what's the.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
What's the backstory of trying to figure it all out,
you know, if they didn't want if it's as cut
and dry as Okay, Lane, you two somewhere else, you're
not coaching there. Okay, you're not coaching here now now
ole Miss has to figure out what they do, and
you guys have made it clear that it isn't going
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to impact how they're looked at and how they're viewed
in terms of the college playoffs. So if none of
those things are impacted and affected, what does it matter? Like,
I don't really care if the AD or if Lane Kiffin,
you know, Lane is gone, he's not coaching. We got
that conclusion. Beyond that, what, Like, I don't I feel
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like that's like gossip.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I don't understand what's the what's the main purpose of
trying to establish if Lane was going to be able
to coach or not. That's that's what I mean, that's
my initial thought to it. Like at this point, I'm
more interested in the fact that he was sliding in
DMS more so than yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Mean that's not as clear cut.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I mean that's not as clear clearcut is if you
choose another school, you're not coaching here. He chose another school,
he's he's not coaching them in in the in the playoff.
What what's what's next? Well, I think it's the do
we expect do we expect Old Miss to be a
real player? If they do which we assume, I assume
they're going to make the playoff? Do we expect them
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to be a major player in the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I am interested to see how they perform if they
go out, if they go out in the first round.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
If they go out in the first round, does that
make Lane Kiffen a more I don't like them? Figure
does Does their performances have any bearing on how we
view Lane Kiffen?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, he's still ging paid the more they win. Else
he was paying them for every win they make it
the playoff. That's wonderful. So he's root for him, trust
I'm sure he is.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
But I'm saying general generally speaking, general public, is there
going to be like this visceral effect to them losing
in the first round of the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I don't think so, because again he wanted to coach them.
Keith Carter is the one that's not letting them.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah. I just feel like we've gotten to that point
and we know that. So here's the.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Other thing I'd say too, is they actually have a
really really good chance as they currently sit at the
sixth seed. I mean, if you look at how this
whole thing could shape out or shape up, they would
probably play the conference champ number four, which is potentially Uva,
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or if they were to be Duke or to be
either that scenario that I just painted out to Tallane
or JMU, so that would be their first game, and
then as it currently stands, it'd probably be Georgia after that.
Now it's going to change a little bit. It could
be Indiana. Indiana's currently sitting at the number two spot
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if they lose to Ohio State, I don't know if
it's going to draw much more to than three. So
Old Miss could be playing Uva or a group of
six conference champion JMU or Tulane, and then they'd have
to play Indiana, which, if you're being honest with yourselves,
between these four teams Ohio State, Georgia, Texas Tech, and Indiana.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Who would you rather play Indiana.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Yeah, like that's probably the team you're saying probably have
the best chance against. If I was an odds maker,
I'd say that would be the best spread line against
any any of those four teams.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
For Old Miss.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And the Indiana spanks Ohio State and it's sure they're
not changing.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Ohio State drops, and then you're playing the Buckeyes.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
And maybe you don't want that one your soul, you
don't Yeah, you don't want that one, Lord Belta ass,
Yeah you don't want it. But but you get My
point is like this is it's kind of wild, like
this is a team that ultimately can take it to
the semi finals because of their current seating right now.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, we were a benefactor to that last year. It
just yeah, that is kind of true.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
It it feels like it's the We talked a little
bit about this with Petros yesterday, but it feels like
this is the same ending to virtually every place that
Lane Kiffen goes. Like it never ends smoothly. There's always
something attached to it, whether it was you know, Tennessee USC,
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the Raiders. It just like there's always something and way
like explain it, Like the tarmac, and.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
It's never a clean exit.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
It's never an exit with I don't know, grace for
lack of a better term. There's always something else there.
There's always more to it. There's always a he said,
he said, there's like when he left Tennessee he clowned
them and trolled them afterwards. The USC tarmac stuff, the
stuff with it just feels like there's always it's never
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squeaky clean.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It always gets out and gets a little bit messy.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And when you hear the more you know, players are
coming out saying, well, you know, you told us something
different in the meeting, the DMS, the ad, the back
and forth. It just feels like the more that stuff
comes out, the less possible it was for him to
stick around there. Like I wonder if Keith Carter kind
of recognized, listen, man, he's leaving like it's again. This
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whole thing is wrapping up quickly. And we talked about
it on Monday. Then Lane Kiffin probably realized I've reached
my ceiling here. I can get something better elsewhere. And
I think almost probably since that and this is the
way this was always.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Going to end up.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Well, I mean that's the season was a successful season
record wise, and that gave him leverage and for what
it's worth, for everything that you just said, if people
weren't moved by lane Kiffin, lane Kiffin wouldn't have had
all these opportunities for it to the way that it ends.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Keep that in mind. He doesn't have to get hired
from place to place, so he makes it move well.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I think people that look at lane Kiffin phil as
though he moves the needle that from the way he is,
all the things you're explaining, the way he looks, his lineage,
you know what he's connected to. He's a part of
the game. He's a he's a grandfathered inn, he's a
he's a child of the game. He has a legendary
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coach as a father. So I just think that he's
an intriguing person. He does things the way that he doesn't.
He does it in a way where it's it's entertaining
when you watch him because you're looking at him and
you're like, what is he going to say? I don't
know that you ever when you see him standing in
front of the camera, what is he going to do?
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What is he going to say? And he knows it,
he's aware of it. Not a dumb man at all.
I've been around him. I'm not a bestie, but I've
been around him. I've listened to him. He's very he's
just a he's just a thoughtful dude. But he well,
he's just he's he's in his head though. He just
seems like he's like a real cerebral dude, like kind
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of kind of weird. But so what, most most brilliant
people are weird. And while I'm not saying he's brilliant,
and and for what he's been able to accomplish and
what he's been able to do, and we're talking about
him and he just signed a stroke to really really
really lucrative deal to coach.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
These things keep coming his way. Would you say he's touched. Yeah,
he's touched a little bit. He's touched a little bit.
But he's successful.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
And and when you're successful, you tend to be able
to kind of elude what goes along with some of
these stories. And you connect some of these stories to
someone who isn't being successful, look at what the conclusion is.
They disappear, Lane Kiff, it ain't went nowhere. Listen to
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the names you said, usc Tennessee, Oh miss r now
LSU the Raiders, Like, Bro, you're not getting all those jobs.
You know how hard it is to get a job
out the gate, like one job one of those names
like this dude's don't he make it stop by stop?
(19:25):
LSU probably ain't even his last stop? No, probably right,
So like let that man live, go ahead, Like so.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It's just like he was there, what six years? That
all miss eventually? Would you say?
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Sometimes guys just have a propensity to want to move on,
like they're just never going to stand anywhere long. He
seems like he's like that in his personal life. He
seems like he's like that in his professional life. He's
just not one of those guys that you can expect
to be there for a long time. And by the way,
I don't know that many coaches are going to be coaching.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Of these places for a really long time. I think
that's pretty rare.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
You know, usually your fan bases get fickled, they get
upset about things. I mean, Kirk Farn's been an Ioway
for as long as he has is a rarity. I
don't think you ever see that ever.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Again, It's gonna be hard with the landscape the way
that it is it's just it's not it's not feasible
to think unless there's a model that's created or a
standard that somebody is able to create. Starting with leadership,
there's so many different elements at play. You got school boards,
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you got school presidents or chancellors or head of schools whatever.
You got all these different decision making people and bodies
and what takes place and ads and now what.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Is the coach doing?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And this coach gets pulled away by another school, and
it's just so many moving parts anymore. And at the
end of the day, the fans are fickle for all
all the for all of the programs, Like it's not
unique to one program. They're fickle for every program, and
they want to see a winner, and they want to
see it the way that they want to see it.
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Once noise starts, then the noise grows, then there's going
to be action taken.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
You know, it used to be.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
A time where coaches could control the narratives that were
coming from the program. Ad stayed out of the way.
You didn't even hear anything from the school who's governing
the school. Just don't let your kids do anything that
brings any type of bad media. You know, ill will
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or anything towards the school, but they stay people stayed
out of the way. This year you got freaking what senators? Governor?
Was it the governor? And that LSU who was?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You got? You got the.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Governor, you got Congress, you got you got politicians getting
involved in what's going on now.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
So I just you know, it's never going to be
the same.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
And I feel like the question becomes in the new normal,
how does that work?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Can?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Can can dynasties be built? Can you see long lasting
runs of success? Is it the same people that are
doing it? And and can we can we can? Can
this new era, new time in sports? Is it something
that people really can get behind from a genuine perspective
or is it all superficial? I mean, I think that
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that's and that's a tough one. That's a tough one.
Could you go to a school like you're an alumni here,
or you played here, you're a letterman here, or you know,
you're raising your kids a certain type of way, but
do you like the coach that's going to be there
by the time your kids are hitting the college and
you know where.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Is the school at?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
You know, culture wise, it's just there's a lot of
moving parts, man, and those parts can move from year
to year, and and it's such so much more intense
to win and and be able to represent a U university.
I mean James James was one game away from a
national title and is now at Virginia Tech.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Like just times have changed, man, times have really changed.
And people got him brace.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
With number two team this year till like week five
or six of college football.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And now that man is at a different school.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, before the conclusion, before the conclusion of the season,
he's at another school.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah before Penn State.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Hard a guy still got his rod in the water
and just uh, just reeling in recruits.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
And good for him as he should. As he should, man,
why are you looking at me like that?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Listen to what you know?
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I would like to see U's move forward, not watch
everybody else moving forward.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
But you know, it is what it is. It is
two pros and to come to hold.
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are out for the Thanksgiving games. Forty seven point seven
million people watched the Packers and the Lions, so these
are the first two games. It was the most watched
Thanksgiving game ever until the members came out for the
Chiefs Cowboys game, which became the most watched NFL regular
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season game in history, as more than fifty seven point
two million viewers watched that game on CBS. So forty
eight million in the first game, fifty seven point two
in the second. It's good to see that the tradition
runs on. Good football on Thanksgiving is still king, as
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proven by the numbers.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Here.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Yeah, family about food football, that's Thanksgiving babies, the three
fs woo.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah. Although I will say this.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
There's one more. Let me just put there's two things.
When's the last time you've heard that? Like the end
of the NFL sets a new record the highest rated
most people. It's like, dude, no, can it all? It
can always be like that? Can it always be like that?
I mean, I watched we have the games on, Like,
I get it. But we also have to acknowledge Nielsen
(28:59):
change the rating system them to include what they believe
to be a more accurate way of drawing viewership. And
it started last year for the Super Bowl, which that
super also happened to be one of the highest rateed ever.
Right at some point, it's not like the viewership for
the NFL keeps growing, but they sure as hell like
to make you think that. But I also think it
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puts pressure on the NFL with scheduling because now you're
gonna have to have these key marquee matchups on Thanksgiving,
on Christmas Day, on.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
You know, the opening you know, opening week one game
of the season.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
It puts pressure on them to make sure that these
you know, signature days of the year for most families, holidays,
they've got big time matchups, big time brands.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
And why not. Why not?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
It also it also helps that the Lions aren't a
bag of crap anymore. Like there's that because the Lions
had not.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
We've been force fed him the for him, that's that's crazy. Pause.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
We've been forced to fed the Detroit Lions for Thanksgiving
for a really long time.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
It's so funny because when I was thinking.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Detroit Lions and him, it's like it's Barry Sanders. Honestly, like,
the only reason why I made it interesting that the
Detroit Lions were playing on Thanksgiving? Why shouldn you flex
the schedule for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Why not keep the schedule flexible period for marquee games
Mondays Thursdays? Why not from the front, Like, maybe not
the start, but you take it, and you take a
chance that coming into the season when we do the
scheduling and here's who's going to play who on these
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early days, we're going to base it off of who
was good last year?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Well, isn't that also why they added the third game
to where the night game was Bengals Ravens, which is,
you know, the least interesting of all of them.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
But but coming into it, you would say, this year
that should have been a ginormous game turns out to
be a flop. But that's why you flex, like get
them out of there, put put two teams in there.
Put two teams in there that make for the best matchup,
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and like we said, biggest brands, if it's possible, maybe
it's not possible when you know you lock in obviously
what the schedule is going to be. But try to
find that sweet spot of the markets that the teams
are in the matchups and how well are they doing.
Why should not be a part of what you're doing.
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I don't necessarily feel as though, and I know this
might sound crazy. I know the NFL is always trying
to expand, but I don't feel like it's necessarily like
this imperative, super crazy thing to increase keep increasing viewership.
If you have a viewership number that's as impressive and
as goddy as forty to fifty million people who are
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doing it, just maintain that. Make sure your product is
good enough that you don't go down. Like if we
go up, great, but we're out of place right now
where these amounts of viewers you're able to command premium
dollar for the advertising that's connected to what you're doing.
So I don't necessarily look at it as what do
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we do to keep taking the numbers up? No, what
do you do to make sure that you maintain your
numbers where you're at, this becomes your new floor. And
I think that if you're playing, if you're flexing those games,
I think that's a great to me.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I think that would be a great option flex them.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, Like in other words, we got how many weeks
before we get to to Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Games?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Like we pretty much know who are the teams that
are the hot teams and the leadue by then holiday.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Yeah, I don't think you can do that on a holiday, right,
Like there's a lot of preparations that go into an
early week game like that.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Man, figure it out, money, money, talk to bs, runs marathons,
figure it out man, forty forty fifty million people.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
But that's not like an actual phrase that accomplishes anything
a man.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
We live in different worlds. Mans got like a few
complish anything.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
To hang out with the accomplished, Come hang out with
me for a day. I'll show you it better than
I tell you.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Okay, what does that even be? What do you mean
by that? Many? Man? If you don't know, you don't know,
If you know, you know, that's all I don't know.
I guess you know you know who doesn't know? Well?
Penn State the hell. No, you could take you could
take shots. I mean, that's fine, taken shots.
Speaker 10 (33:58):
It's legal.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
It's on the table, on the table. We were texting
about it last night.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
We were texting about it, by the way, on the
on the subject of the holiday weekend. Uh, you know,
tell me if you guys are surprised by this. Roger
Goodell spoke with the with Joe Flint of the Wall
Street Journey I haven't heard his name, says that the
NFL is considering adding a second black Friday game.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
So we're just gonna how do you feel about that?
Keep on, keep it on. So they're gonna make the
Friday black. You know, we gotta darken this up. What
they're gonna call it? Hello, black Friday?
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Black is hel Friday?
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Where are we going with say? I'm not gonna say.
I'm gonna text you what you've got to say here
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
All right, let's see what it is. Let's see, let's
see what it is. I need to say.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
It has a cubby, I said, I hear the fingers,
but all here we go black fried Friday.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
All right?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
How about how about frid black black on Friday?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Frid Friday, Wild, Black on Friday? Racist? Dang, how's that one?
Black on Black Friday? Now that would be how about
(35:29):
how about how about back to black Friday. You're gonna
play all words there you go black, you never go
back Friday. You go black, you don't go back Friday.
I mean, alright, these lasts you are my favorites. How about.
Speaker 10 (35:49):
Big Big Black Friday's Yeah, Winter, I mean we we
substitute the city for.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
So what would the initials be far bb F big
Black Friday.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a whole lot of black. Yeah it
is all right, Yeah, it is get ahold of ourselves here,
all right.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
So I was the only one able to do that
bit for for comfort reasons.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Huh, all right, that's interesting. I mean lore I thought
was really that was good. You know, you people have
a way of a whoa.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
See then then then you you throw that in at
the end, and it takes the bit to a whole
nother place.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Like I'm not no uncle tom Bro, I'm not I'm
not in the house.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Like, don't throw stuff out like that when we joking around, man,
Like I'm joking, but you can't throw stuff like that
out there when we doing jokes.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Like that bro.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
That ruined the bit? What do you mean you say
the NFL don't do that now? Jeez, what'd you say?
What'd you say?
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Right after I'd say Big Black Friday? What people? Oh wow?
Speaker 10 (37:12):
That fell?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's Roger Goodell.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
By the way, Roger Goodell is singular. You see you
people plural? Who the other people?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
The people in the NFL? Oh yeah? What are they people?
What are they? What color are they off defense? It
depends on what if they're corporate or if they're on
the field.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
You know, it's kind of like a little different kind
of like you like old days, you know, like you
got you got the decision makers and you got the talent.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
This sweet looks a little different than the field tang.
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Yo for another case of In case you missed it
because I miss.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
You, guys.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
But let's go here. So for the big one, we
got Giannis onto the coompo guys. He's been in the
news recently well, apparently him and his agent have been
having conversations with the Milwaukee Bucks about whether should he
stay or should he go. Recently, resolutions are gonna figure
out whether he's going or staying the next coming weeks,
(41:42):
but it's looking like he may want out with that,
So take it away, guys.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Can you guys remember a year the NBA didn't have
a star player who was unhappy?
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Can I be honest, I thought he already got traded.
I don't know why. Maybe I just stopped paying attention
on that Frock. Did he miss some time, was injured
or something? Well, he left last night's gain. I think
he had a calf strain last night. Yeah, I saw that.
But even to the start of the cease, I could
have sworn and got traded then. I mean, he's thirty.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
He feels like he's been in the league for fifteen years.
He's been around for a long time, and it's just
it's every year there's some story in the NBA about
a guy who's miserable with his organization and wants to
be traded.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
I don't do we have another one, because I want
to try to jump on one that we can really
jump on, like that one was kind of like yeah, sorry,
get him out of here earlier. No, no, that wasn't
you guys that Well, we don't have time but to him, dang. Yeah,
we chose an NBA.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
That's the NBA dip. I mean it's the Greek freak himself.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Eh.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Does the Greek Freak does that name, that nickname work
in a different market. I think it's established in.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Mid film industry. Oh songs, Well, we did do Big
Black Friday.
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