October 29, 2025 • 41 mins
Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington react to the Blue Jays evening the World Series with the Dodgers after bouncing back from the 18-inning loss. The guys dive into Mike Tomlin's statement of support for his defensive coordinator despite the Steelers' struggles on defense. Plus, could Mayweather vs. Pacquiao Part 2 be on the horizon?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up on
this edition of Black and Drack. We are going to
have the usuals, petros, popad acas, stops by, We've got
the leftovers, We've got our midweek awards, and in case
you missed it, we're also going to talk about Game
four of the World Series. The Blue Jays respond and
it looks like we are headed back to Toronto in
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what could be a massive upset and a major win
for everybody in Major League Baseball. We're also going to
have a conversation about the Steelers big issue and it's
a little bit different this year than it was in
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Speaker 2 (02:22):
What up Sticks?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Good morning sir, How you feeling I'm good. How are
you hot out here? It's a little little warm out
here for you.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, not to make people across the country resent us
or anything, but we're for some reason dealing with ninety
to green temperatures right now in late October, so some
people are gonna be sweating balls, maybe going trigg or
treating in a couple of days. So yeah, a little
little toasty out here. Got to keep an eye on
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the fires. The winds are starting to pick up, so
that could be a problem.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
What else was a.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Problem last night is the the sho Heo Tani performance
was not exactly I think what a lot of people
thought it was going to be. As far as continuing
on with his dominance, he got got tagged a little
bit last night, not too bad, and then turned it
over to the bullpen. And then you know, he turned
things over to the Dodger bullpen, and that's just the
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way things work. But the Toronto Blue Jays have evened
up the World Series two games apiece. Game five coming
up later on tonight out here in toasty southern California,
and then we are going to get at least a
Game six back in.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Toronto coming up on Friday, which is good. There you go,
it is good. I mean, you're getting what you need
out of the World Series. If you are the MLB
and if you are a baseball fan, it's it's competitive,
(03:54):
there's there's drama. They almost made history, yes the day
before I guess this was the day before. Yeah, it's
so funny. You got names, you know, Vlat Vlat showed up,
Vlad Guerrero Junior showed up yesterday, Shohea Tani showed up
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the day the game before and was pitching. So you
had star power for draw. I mean, I think they
have a like in a I guess unassuming, unexpected opponent
to the Dodgers in the Blue Jays. I think you
have everything, all the elements you need outside of it
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being two major market teams, you know, obviously one being
not even in America. So but I think that they've
got what they they wanted and what they could have,
you know, hoped for out of out of a World Series.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Remember this is going back like late eighties into the
early ninet but there was a stretch of Super Bowls
that were just all blowouts, like all blowouts. You would
get to the Super Bowl and it would be like
I remember the Niners played the Broncos and it was
fifty five to ten, and it just like there was
like really bad games to close out your season. And
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I think people anticipated that with this juggernaut that was
the Dodgers taken on the Blue Jays, well, you know,
maybe the Blue Jays will get a game. But to
your point, I think major League Baseball has gotten more
than they expected, and they've got to be pretty pleasantly surprised,
especially you know, Fox who was carrying the World Series,
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because man, the Blue Jays won that first game and
I was like, okay, maybe, and then even though they
lost the next two, one of them was a classic
that went, you know, six hours and change. And then
you had the game last night and Vlad Guerrero Junior,
who was their big you know, five hundred plus million
dollar you know, superstar for Toronto. He delivered, as you
pointed out against the show Ootani and I just I
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look at this and I go, whatever happens from here?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
It's been a success to this point.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Like if you wanted last year, you had the Yankees,
you had the Dodgers, you had those two big markets,
you had all the potential for something like this, and
you were hoping it was going to play out that way.
And then the Yankees just you know, put on you know,
put on their clown gear and started dropping fly balls
and sort of tossing the ball around the field and
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gagging away that game five. This at least has delivered
in the sense that it's not going to be a wipeout.
There is a real possibility Toronto's gonna pull off the upset.
And if your Major League Baseball, it wasn't so much
a foregone conclusion which everybody was worried about. You know,
the Dodgers go out and spend all this money, they
go out and they buy these championships, so on and
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so forth, and Toronto's sitting there going, yeah, listen, we've
paid a pretty penny for our superstar as well too.
We made some moves at the deadline. But at least
you've got a competitive s here. Yeah, So at least
there's that.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's pretty much you know
what it comes down to, and now you have the
drama of the Blue Jays stealing one and in a
home hostile environment of the La Dodgers, and the Dodgers
are going to have to win the World Series away
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from La, and I think that makes it even more interesting,
even though you don't get the opportunity to have the
celebration post game of the Dodgers winning it all. If
they were to win it all, they have to go
into now a hostile environment. You gotta believe that the
Blue Jays fans and they're faithful will be out in
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droves and be pumped up about you know what the
opportunity represents. So yeah, it's going to be It's going
to be interesting because I think the drama continues to
build and to mount based off of them letting one
get away.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Here in La.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Now, the conversation we were having yesterday was all right,
so how's it gonna look? Shotani was on base nine times.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
On they were going to have to go to Canada anyway, right.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
No, because if the Dodgers would have won all three
of these at Dodger Stadium, they would have closed it
out there. Yeah, So that's so that's why, you know, yeah,
last night was so important, I thought, and so shoe Otani.
The conversation was Listen, he was on base nine times,
you know, the night before, which is less than twenty
four hours before he was expected to make his first
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ever World Series start. He had pretty good stuff. I mean,
that's definitely you know, look at that game and go.
He didn't get he didn't get lit up, as Petros
likes to say, he didn't get his boob scooped out
like like you've seen other pictures have happened in big
moments like that. But you know, he was effective at
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the plate. And Dave Roberts, the manager of the Dodgers,
spoke about his superstar following the game.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Mark asked him in the sixth inning, how much more
you had? He said, he had three more innings. He's
very self aware of his body. I thought the sixth
inning was one of his best innings. He gave us
a good effort.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
He really did so unfortunate didn't deliver the way maybe
some Dodger fans wanted to. But now you get a
pivotal Game five coming up later on tonight, and as
you were mentioning, you're not having to worry about going
head to head against an NFL game, you're not having
to worry about going head to head against Monday night football.
You held your own in an eighteen inning affair. And
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now we get to see how this plays out, and
at least there's some intrigue, and you're going to get
to see at least a Game six on Friday night,
potentially game seven on Saturday night. And I don't know
how you feel about this stuff, but I get to
a point to where if I don't have a rooting interest,
and who's going to be partaking in a championship, whether
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it's the Super Bowl, whether it's the you know, college
football playoff, whatever it is, NBA Finals, I'm just hoping
for similar to the NBA Finals, we get to a
Game seven and then all bets are off.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I mean not for me.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I mean I'm still gonna bet on it, but then
you just get there and roll the dice and just
see what happens and see where it lands.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I feel like, even if it doesn't make it to
a game seven, it's still my expectation to see a
competitive series. I think that's all you can really hope for,
is seeing a competitive series, Like we just talked about
how the games this past weekend in the NFL weren't
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very competitive games, and watching Monday night's game, I mean,
I guess at least it made it to the second
half before it kind of got away from the Steelers.
But it just, you know, you find yourself wanting to
see teams, you know show up. You know, every team
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should have one to two superstars on the team, and
you'd like to see the main characters show up to
the show and give a performance. That would be like
if you know your favorite actor actress showed up to
the set and it's like, yeah, today, it's just not
going to be that type of day, and you're able
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to see how poor their performance is on the screen.
Who you talking about? I'm just saying I don't know.
I don't feel like I've ever seen an actor. Well,
I won't say ever. I mean I've seen bad movies
of actors. I like, who's your favorite actor? That's a
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good question. I probably want to say Daniel day Lewis,
And only because when I think of an actor, I
think of somebody who can actually be somebody in the
movie that's totally different from their personality. But also if
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I saw them in another movie, it'd be like that's
the same person. Like if you think about him being
the butcher to him being the dude and the last
of the Mohicans, you know, to like, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I just lose the movie where he's like, uh, he's
a lunatic like oil worker or he's like drilling for oil.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
There will be blood, there will be blood. Yes, it's
like freak your milk, yeah something.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
It's just he's yeah, I mean, but he's super good, gifted,
super gifted. He's probably my favorite just because of that. Now,
the one who probably entertains me the most. I like
Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
He's still wear one glove. Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I think he's got like some deformity on his hand
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, right hand or something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I mean, there's there's there's a few. There's a few
out there that I love. Samuel L. Jackson. I think
he's dope.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
You know, I'm a big fan of Gary Oldman. I
think Gary Oldman's my guy because Gary Oldman went from
Churchhill and years prior to that, he was the pimp
in True Romance. Like he's tremendous and he was also
in that vampire movie. What's the vampire movie?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Man? Come on right, come on, go for two.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Come on, b you don't have Vampire, not Twilight. That
movie sucks. There was like a vampire Dracula. Yeah, yeah,
that one. Whatever, Vampire Dracus. That one, I don't know.
It should be a home game, rights, I screwed that one.
That was an autobiography about you.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
He was Bram Stoker's Dracula. Right, Who else is it that?
There's like pretty.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Anthony Hopkins, Anthony Hopkins.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I love Anthony Hopkins. Yeah, I mean, but Daniel day Like,
I just think that if if you can act.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
My left foot that one.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
And I don't know who you are, Like, is that
is that? That is Daniel day Lewis Like, yeah, if
you could do that, I mean I thought it was
the Butcher, Like, I thought that was pretty dope.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well yeah, listen, No, we had a couple of Daniel
day Lewis's in that game last night, but only one
of them can get to win, so they true.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
There you go with that.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
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But one of the storylines in the NFL that's kind
of flown under the radar because we're not used to this,
just like we're not used to seeing the Baltimore Ravens
defense struggle the way it has this year is the
Steelers defense has not been great this year and they're
in the midst of a pretty rough stretch where they're
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allowing a lot of yards, a lot of points. The
second half against the Packers, like they got showed up
and spit out on national TV. And it's the first
time in a while where the conversation's not if you
could just get something from the quarterback, or you could
just get something from the offense, this team could be
a real threat. Instead, the defense has not been great.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Watt has not been the same TJ. Watt that they've
thought he was going to be. They've dealt with some
injuries as well too, and so Mike Tomlin, the Steelers
head coach, took time to back his defensive coordinator Tarrell Austin,
but also acknowledge they got issues on that side of
the ball.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Don't tail a long time. He's very capable, he's very thorough.
I largely been pleased with his work, but certainly he
and I are not pleased with where we are right
now from a defensive unit perspective, and so we're just
gonna keep working.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So the Pittsburgh Steelers are going to keep working, and
that work is going to continue this week against the
Indianapolis Colts, who have the best offense in the NFL.
So now all the discussion that we were having. Oh
and by the way, highest paid defensive unit in the NFL,
so they have the most money locked up on that
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side of the ball in the league. And yet on
that side of the ball, they have underperformed in comparison
to maybe what the offense has done, and especially what
we've done in particular what we've seen from the Steelers
defense in particular over the past several years.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Obviously it's not a dominant defense, but I don't think
it's a dominant offense either. So when and when I
look at the Steelers team, ultimately I think that personnel wise,
Yet they do have t J. Watt. They have Jalen
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Jalen Ramsey. They they they had you know, they they
have brought in some guys. They brought in the guy
from UH from the Eagles to be in the secondary.
I think they were hoping to shore up there their
passing defense so that they could ultimately, you know, really
focus in on the run and and then have enough
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offense with with bringing in and acquiring Aaron Rodgers and
and I guess thinking that losing losing Pickens and bringing
in DK Metcalf would cure whatever it is that they
were dealing with with Pickens. I can't say it hasn't
worked out well for them. They're they're having a pretty
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good season. I mean, they had a slip up against
Green Bay. They totally look like they were outmatched and
out manned in the second half. I don't know too
many defenses that are going to be able to defense
the Green Bay Packers fully healthy. It just makes me
wonder about when you look at where you know, the
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top teams are right now. I mean two of them
that come to mind just very quickly are the Kansas
City Chiefs that just got healthy, got Rashid Rice back.
You know, got guys out there and they're dangerous. They
can spread the field out on you. And obviously, you know,
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you think about Cincinnati and what they could possibly do
with what they have and multiple guys it and it
makes you wonder, why would you allow Pickens to go?
Because I think the best defense is a great offense. Honestly,
you could play really, really fine, but you know, if
your offense isn't isn't up to snuff in today's NFL,
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in today's football, you're you're you know, I don't see
it ending well for you.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I mean, there was the stories out there that that
Pickens was kind of a pain in the ass. Yeah, yeah,
that they I mean, he was fined, you know, a
couple hundred thousand dollars from the team from the league
last year because of issues and incidents that were going
on there. He was clearly going to want a new deal,
and so they thought, well, listen, if we could get
something in return, we can just give that money to
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DK Metcalf and that would be fine.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I just it's kind of missing one though. You need
one more.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
If I'm Pittsburgh, if I'm Aaron Rodgers, I need it
one more.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
But it is kind of it is kind of weird that.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
And look, this could be pure coincidence, but if you
look at the AFC North, if you were to say,
coming into this year and someone said, hey, what's the
identity of the AFC North, you go, oh, defense Like
that's like, that's a that's the struggling black and blued
the division, a struggling bro like.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
The Browns aren't bad.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
The Browns have the best defense in that division by
a mile, and they're awful.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
They are brutal.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
And so the Steelers, you know, went out there was
a you know, the Patriots made a couple of deals
yesterday and traded away some guys who were backups. Kyle
Duggar is one of the guys that is on his
way to Pittsburgh. The safety keyon White is now a
forty nine er. So Pittsburgh, you know, tried to address
that side of the ball. I just I don't know
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what to make of Pittsburgh at this point, because I
feel like, if you could get a little bit more
help defensively, I'd feel a lot better about this team
going into the back end of the season. And I've
never I don't recall ever saying that about Pittsburgh it's
always been and if your offense could just deliver, you know,
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you'd be on the right path. But now it feels
like much like Mike Tottlin was backing Matt Canada, who
was his oc for you know, a couple of years,
and while everyone was saying we got to get the
offense fix, the offense fix, now he's having to speak
up on Biafa Terra Austin because the defense just hasn't
been good. And that's a lot of money locked up
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on that defense with Ramsey and Hayward and TJ.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Watt.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I mean, you're just not getting what you thought you
were going to be getting from that team coming into
the air.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, but they're still a good team and they still
have time to improve, and I think that that's what's,
you know, most important. We're talking about a team that's
first in their division and trying to figure out what's
the best approach moving forward, as their coach mentioned in
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terms of how to how to be better. I mean
they're one game ahead, I believe, one game ahead of Cincinnati.
Cincinnati is you know they let one get away? What
does you know? What does this Baltimore Ravens team do
as they wait for the return of Lamar Jackson. I'm
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sure he's probably going to play this week. They are
a four and three team. I think it's still going
to come down to, Yes, try to improve what your
defense is doing. Yes, that is the personality and the
identity that has been a part of the Pittsburgh Steelers
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as well as a part of that division as a
whole in its entirety. But they're going to have to improve.
They're going to have to improve on the offensive side of.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
The ball, and.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I feel like if they're able to do it defensively,
that is a win, a win an added bonus for
the Pittsburgh Steelers, and who, like I would assume that
whatever it is they need to do to write the ship,
they'll figure out a way to do it.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I mean, that's what they're known for. And you're getting
production from your running backs like like, you know, maybe
not so much the previous game, but you've got Jalen
Warren's out there playing pretty good football. Like this felt like,
all right, now we're not hearing conversations about, well, if
we could just get anything from our quarterback, if we
could just get anything from the offense. Now it's switched
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and everything's about the defense, Like this is what they're
known for.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
That's Steelers football.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I've never in my life said, wow, man, that defense
is brutal when it comes to the Steelers, Like, no,
you just kind of pencil that in, like all right, well, yeah,
you're gonna get You're gonna get great play defensively from
the Steelers, from the Ravens, the Bengals have you know,
we talked about that yesterday. They've got their own issues
going on defensively there. But it's just it's odd that
in the same year that's the one you look at
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and go, yeah, Like, offensively, that's not the issue. It's
just defensively. If they could get a little bit more
from their defense, this team's in a much better spot.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
If we're being honest. Is there any team that you
feel as a legitimate contender out of the AFC North
right now today?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
No?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
And I think that that's probably the most indicting of
comments and conclusions that you could possibly come up with.
But I think it would be totally I don't think
anyone would have a tremendous debate that right now the
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AFC North doesn't have a team that if you said
the playoffs were starting today. This team is dangerous in
the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
It's the most disappointing division in the league by far,
because look, and Joe Burrow's injury is Joe Burrow's injury.
But that's been Joe Burrow's history. He like, when is
Joe Burrow had a year where there hasn't been some
sort of a problem, you know, pop up to where
he's got health issues or something like that, or before
the season he'd ruptured a spleen or something like that
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a couple of years ago as well too. So the
Bengals situation, you're just kind of used to that. But
you know, we talked about it yesterday. Zach Taylor basically
called out the defense. Listen, they're not good. Al Golden
was their defensive coordinator, was saying, yeah, we've got to
fix that side of the ball. So the Bengals have
been disappointing, The Ravens have been really disappointing despite getting
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a win last week, and the Steelers on that side
of the ball. The conversation about the Steelers the past
two games has completely changed because if you beat Cincinnati
and Joe Flacco had been there an hour and a
half then you could look at the game against the
Packers and go all right, yeah, like, listen, this is
not not exactly the result we wanted in the second half.
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But now you've dropped two in a row, and the
discussion about Pittsburgh's much different than it was, and Mike
Tomlin even said, look, we didn't handle it well. It
just it feels like that division as a whole, somebody's
got to win it. But to your point, I don't
look at anybody there and go all right, they're gonna
be a problem for Kansas City, especially right now the
way it looks, and we're basically halfway.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Through the air, and then there's the idea of trying
to figure out which we're going to get, which I
would expect and fully anticipate the Steelers to actually raise
up in this game against the Colts. Like I don't
think that this is going to be an easy game
where they went by.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Two possessions and dominate.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
The game like they have with some of these other teams.
I think they're going to have their hands full with
the Steelers, And so I think the good thing about
it is is while today I'll say I do not
believe there's a legitimate contender for the Super Bowl if
the playoffs were to start today. Out of the AFC North,
there's still a lot of football to be played and
(28:57):
there's still a lot of time to development and figure
out what, you know, what people are going to do.
But in terms of personnel wise, this just doesn't fit
what they've had in the past in my estimation, in
terms of what was connected to those dominant defenses.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Do we have any game show music? We get some
game show music here because I got something for you
and they think you're gonna find interesting. All right, So,
according to DraftKings, can you guess which team in the
AFC North is right now the favorite to win that division?
(29:41):
I will give you these standings as they currently stand
in the AFC North right now. These Steelers are in
first place at four and three, The Bengals are second
at three and five, Baltimore is third at two and five,
and the Browns are last right now at two and six. So,
with that being said, which team, according to DraftKings is
(30:04):
the favorite to win the AFC North right now on
the morning of October twenty ninth.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I mean, I think the most sensible decision to make
would have to be the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
That is incorrect. It's the Bangers, but it should be
the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
The Baltimore Ravens are the favorite to win the AFC No.
Seven one at minus one thirty, So you're gonna have
to actually pay one hundred and thirty bucks if you
want to win a Hunter back. That is how much
confidence the odds makers have in the Baltimore Ravens bouncing back.
The team that's been the most disappointing.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
They're not that far away. I mean, but two wins,
two wins? How many games have they been without Lamar Jackson.
He's been a part of those losses. Yeah, yeah, it's
not like they started losing when Lamar Jackson went out.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
They've been losing even when he was in there.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I mean, look the you know, and you want to
blame the defense on that, but the opener where Derek
hen like Derek Henry's fumbles have been a problem as
well too. That's what you know, sort of led to
the demise of Baltimore and their opener against the Bills.
But yeah, like that win against the Bears, and I
think you pointed it out was their second win of
the season, and like we're coming up on November. Like,
(31:31):
that's and that team's favored to win that division right now.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
That says a lot about what they, you know, the
odds makers feel about that division.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I mean, what did you say they are at two
and five? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, Like and that's that says a lot about how
people feel about the Steelers because don't don't the don't
the don't the statistics say.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
That if you lose your first three or four games
something to that effect, well, yeah, you don't go to
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Then the Baltimore Ravens like run over the number amount
of losses where you'd say, statistics say that they are
they're definitely not going to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
It was one of the like, if you know, if
you start out the year one and three, your odds
to make the postseason are, you know, drastically lower than
I think, like five percent maybe something like that. But yeah,
and yet here we are and look and look.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
It's a poor it's a poor play out of the
AFC North has made it a possibility.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
It's also the other thing about Lamar Jackson that I
find kind of interesting is everybody just assumes, oh, well,
he's back now just pencil them in.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Everything's going to be fine.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
And there was some speculation that part of the issue
with you know, what happened with the injury report status
last week and whether or not he was a full
participant or not a full you know whatever. However, the
fines are going to be handed out for that. There
was part like there are some rumblings that maybe they
thought he was going to play against Chicago and he
(33:01):
decided not to. I was like, no, I don't think
I'm ready yet. And so they've got a short week.
They're actually going to be playing at Miami coming up
tomorrow night. But everyone just assumes, well, Lamar's coming off
this injury everything, he's just got to pick up where
we expect him to be at an MVP level. It's
a hamstring. He's a mobile quarterback. Like I don't know,
(33:22):
I mean, like you tell me mobile quarterback the hamstring.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I think if he was one hundred percent healthy, it's
still a tap bit far fetched to think that a
two and five team in the AFC North would be
favored to still win that division.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
That's to me.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
I think that what you and listen, you do have
to go with the quarterback and so maybe the reasoning
behind the odds being in favor of Lamar Jackson is
the estimation or guestimation of what his impact will be
once he starts playing. Whether one hundred percent or not,
(34:04):
it's still better than every quarterback in that in that division.
And I wouldn't say that that's inaccurate. You know, I
think that Aaron Rodgers is still showing glimpses of his talent,
but he's not the.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Aaron Rodgers of old.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
And and so if you're looking at it from the
standpoint of is there a big enough gap wins wise
for the teams ahead of Baltimore to stay ahead of Baltimore,
I would say it's it's it was. It's dangerously close
(34:42):
to there not being enough games left for you to
be able to define it that way, But you still
have a whole half of a season to go. Like
if we were like two three more games out from this,
I'd have a more definitive take on on how feasible
it is for a third place team to actually climb
(35:05):
to winning the division.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
The last two games for Pittsburgh changed I think how
people felt about the division, because if Pittsburgh would have
held on against Cincinnati if they would have just split
one of these two. Now they're a five and two
team and you've got a much much wider gap as
far as your lead goes, and that don't.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
You still have to ask the question is this team
good enough to sustain that going into the playoffs? Like, Okay,
they're at five and two, but is that a is
that five and two misleading?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Especially after the Cincinnati game, I would say, yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Know what I mean, like the way they go about winning,
and that's been the problem even when they were undefeated,
where they were at like nine to zero the one
year and people were like, yeah, but is it sustainable
in the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
And that was.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
One of my favorite Rob Parker takes of all time.
Rob Parker said, it's.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
The worst twelve and oh team of all time.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I was like, yeah, who's second worst? Just like throwing
out just label, just giving him a label the worst
of all time? Okay, but yeah, no, it's you know
that that division has been a disappointment. The Steelers had
an opportunity the past two weeks to kind of separate themselves.
They did not, and so because of that, Baltimore getting
(36:27):
Lamar Jackson back on a short week at Miami is
going to be the fair right now?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
They are only three two games to one game, they're
one game ahead. How many could they lost to Cincinnati?
I know they had one more win than Baltimore, but no, no,
they have more two more wins. Yeah, but I'm trying
(36:53):
how many? How many divisional games have those teams playing?
So Baltimore's want to know in the division and the
Steelers are one and one. Cincinnati is sitting there at
two and zero. So that's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I mean, you get to Natties two to zero in
two division division. Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I would I would be more willing to lean towards
Cincinnati if if Flacco can continue to play at a
high level all.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Their way down the list.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, I mean, if you, I mean, if you're looking
for long shot odds on DraftKings to the Bengals to
win that division right now, sitting at plus eight hundred,
so they're eight to one, so that'll pay you out
a decent amount. By the way, the Browns at forty
to one, which means you know, you bet ten dollars
on that you're going to win a Rolls Royce.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
So that's a hard one. I feel like the AFC
North is a hard division to call, and I'll leave
it at that. I know we gotta get to break,
but I feel like that's a hard one to call
in terms of who you think is going to win.
But I think that that is one of the most
insanely Bowl predictions to give odds that the Baltimore Ravens
(37:57):
will win it, considering how this season has started and
what they've had to kind of make it through or
work through.
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Speaker 8 (39:53):
So in today's in case you missed it, this might
have gone by the wayside, Mike of The Ring The
Ring magazine is reporting that apparently Netflix has been looking
into the possibility of having Floyd Mayweather and many Pacquio
fight once again over ten years since their last fight. Right,
(40:15):
of course, many Pakio now forty six, Floyd Mayweather now
forty eight. Both the guys haven't fought much in the
last decade. Floyd Mayweather notably has had really two real fights.
I guess he fought Andre Berto in September twenty fifteen,
and then, of course the McGregor fight in twenty seventeen,
(40:37):
and then he's had a handful of exhibitions since then.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Gotta spen that long since he fought a non exhibition fight.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, and so would argue the the McGregor fight kind
of was right, you know, a little bit of an exhibition.
He was carrying him along there because he might had
money on the over of how many rounds the fight would.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Go I'll spend.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Pacio looked much better, and I think a lot of
people thought he was going to against Mario Bari.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Sounds ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Well okay, okay, that's what I want to know. Stop okay,
But what if it stopped them? What if they said,
we're doing this, it's going to be a real fight,
no exhibition, and both guys can get on the gas
like we will allow both guys.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
You don't know, you're not into that.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Mike Tyson has forever ruined comeback exhibition fights, regular fight
with old phobies. Why the forman gave everybody hope? Mike
Tyson stripped it away? What about it was? It was
Mike Tyson's ass and shotstrap that uh that did the damage.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
It's it's over. I don't want to see it.
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Speaker 2 (02:22):
What up Sticks?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Good morning sir, How you feeling I'm good. How are
you hot out here? It's a little little warm out
here for you.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, not to make people across the country resent us
or anything, but we're for some reason dealing with ninety
to green temperatures right now in late October, so some
people are gonna be sweating balls, maybe going trigg or
treating in a couple of days. So yeah, a little
little toasty out here. Got to keep an eye on
(02:54):
the fires. The winds are starting to pick up, so
that could be a problem.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
What else was a.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Problem last night is the the sho Heo Tani performance
was not exactly I think what a lot of people
thought it was going to be. As far as continuing
on with his dominance, he got got tagged a little
bit last night, not too bad, and then turned it
over to the bullpen. And then you know, he turned
things over to the Dodger bullpen, and that's just the
(03:20):
way things work. But the Toronto Blue Jays have evened
up the World Series two games apiece. Game five coming
up later on tonight out here in toasty southern California,
and then we are going to get at least a
Game six back in.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Toronto coming up on Friday, which is good. There you go,
it is good. I mean, you're getting what you need
out of the World Series. If you are the MLB
and if you are a baseball fan, it's it's competitive,
(03:54):
there's there's drama. They almost made history, yes the day
before I guess this was the day before. Yeah, it's
so funny. You got names, you know, Vlat Vlat showed up,
Vlad Guerrero Junior showed up yesterday, Shohea Tani showed up
(04:16):
the day the game before and was pitching. So you
had star power for draw. I mean, I think they
have a like in a I guess unassuming, unexpected opponent
to the Dodgers in the Blue Jays. I think you
have everything, all the elements you need outside of it
(04:37):
being two major market teams, you know, obviously one being
not even in America. So but I think that they've
got what they they wanted and what they could have,
you know, hoped for out of out of a World Series.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Remember this is going back like late eighties into the
early ninet but there was a stretch of Super Bowls
that were just all blowouts, like all blowouts. You would
get to the Super Bowl and it would be like
I remember the Niners played the Broncos and it was
fifty five to ten, and it just like there was
like really bad games to close out your season. And
(05:18):
I think people anticipated that with this juggernaut that was
the Dodgers taken on the Blue Jays, well, you know,
maybe the Blue Jays will get a game. But to
your point, I think major League Baseball has gotten more
than they expected, and they've got to be pretty pleasantly surprised,
especially you know, Fox who was carrying the World Series,
(05:39):
because man, the Blue Jays won that first game and
I was like, okay, maybe, and then even though they
lost the next two, one of them was a classic
that went, you know, six hours and change. And then
you had the game last night and Vlad Guerrero Junior,
who was their big you know, five hundred plus million
dollar you know, superstar for Toronto. He delivered, as you
pointed out against the show Ootani and I just I
(06:03):
look at this and I go, whatever happens from here?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
It's been a success to this point.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Like if you wanted last year, you had the Yankees,
you had the Dodgers, you had those two big markets,
you had all the potential for something like this, and
you were hoping it was going to play out that way.
And then the Yankees just you know, put on you know,
put on their clown gear and started dropping fly balls
and sort of tossing the ball around the field and
(06:28):
gagging away that game five. This at least has delivered
in the sense that it's not going to be a wipeout.
There is a real possibility Toronto's gonna pull off the upset.
And if your Major League Baseball, it wasn't so much
a foregone conclusion which everybody was worried about. You know,
the Dodgers go out and spend all this money, they
go out and they buy these championships, so on and
(06:50):
so forth, and Toronto's sitting there going, yeah, listen, we've
paid a pretty penny for our superstar as well too.
We made some moves at the deadline. But at least
you've got a competitive s here. Yeah, So at least
there's that.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's pretty much you know
what it comes down to, and now you have the
drama of the Blue Jays stealing one and in a
home hostile environment of the La Dodgers, and the Dodgers
are going to have to win the World Series away
(07:23):
from La, and I think that makes it even more interesting,
even though you don't get the opportunity to have the
celebration post game of the Dodgers winning it all. If
they were to win it all, they have to go
into now a hostile environment. You gotta believe that the
Blue Jays fans and they're faithful will be out in
(07:46):
droves and be pumped up about you know what the
opportunity represents. So yeah, it's going to be It's going
to be interesting because I think the drama continues to
build and to mount based off of them letting one
get away.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Here in La.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Now, the conversation we were having yesterday was all right,
so how's it gonna look? Shotani was on base nine times.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
On they were going to have to go to Canada anyway, right.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
No, because if the Dodgers would have won all three
of these at Dodger Stadium, they would have closed it
out there. Yeah, So that's so that's why, you know, yeah,
last night was so important, I thought, and so shoe Otani.
The conversation was Listen, he was on base nine times,
you know, the night before, which is less than twenty
four hours before he was expected to make his first
(08:40):
ever World Series start. He had pretty good stuff. I mean,
that's definitely you know, look at that game and go.
He didn't get he didn't get lit up, as Petros
likes to say, he didn't get his boob scooped out
like like you've seen other pictures have happened in big
moments like that. But you know, he was effective at
(09:00):
the plate. And Dave Roberts, the manager of the Dodgers,
spoke about his superstar following the game.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Mark asked him in the sixth inning, how much more
you had? He said, he had three more innings. He's
very self aware of his body. I thought the sixth
inning was one of his best innings. He gave us
a good effort.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
He really did so unfortunate didn't deliver the way maybe
some Dodger fans wanted to. But now you get a
pivotal Game five coming up later on tonight, and as
you were mentioning, you're not having to worry about going
head to head against an NFL game, you're not having
to worry about going head to head against Monday night football.
You held your own in an eighteen inning affair. And
(09:40):
now we get to see how this plays out, and
at least there's some intrigue, and you're going to get
to see at least a Game six on Friday night,
potentially game seven on Saturday night. And I don't know
how you feel about this stuff, but I get to
a point to where if I don't have a rooting interest,
and who's going to be partaking in a championship, whether
(10:03):
it's the Super Bowl, whether it's the you know, college
football playoff, whatever it is, NBA Finals, I'm just hoping
for similar to the NBA Finals, we get to a
Game seven and then all bets are off.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I mean not for me.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I mean I'm still gonna bet on it, but then
you just get there and roll the dice and just
see what happens and see where it lands.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I feel like, even if it doesn't make it to
a game seven, it's still my expectation to see a
competitive series. I think that's all you can really hope for,
is seeing a competitive series, Like we just talked about
how the games this past weekend in the NFL weren't
(10:43):
very competitive games, and watching Monday night's game, I mean,
I guess at least it made it to the second
half before it kind of got away from the Steelers.
But it just, you know, you find yourself wanting to
see teams, you know show up. You know, every team
(11:06):
should have one to two superstars on the team, and
you'd like to see the main characters show up to
the show and give a performance. That would be like
if you know your favorite actor actress showed up to
the set and it's like, yeah, today, it's just not
going to be that type of day, and you're able
(11:27):
to see how poor their performance is on the screen.
Who you talking about? I'm just saying I don't know.
I don't feel like I've ever seen an actor. Well,
I won't say ever. I mean I've seen bad movies
of actors. I like, who's your favorite actor? That's a
(11:48):
good question. I probably want to say Daniel day Lewis,
And only because when I think of an actor, I
think of somebody who can actually be somebody in the
movie that's totally different from their personality. But also if
(12:11):
I saw them in another movie, it'd be like that's
the same person. Like if you think about him being
the butcher to him being the dude and the last
of the Mohicans, you know, to like, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I just lose the movie where he's like, uh, he's
a lunatic like oil worker or he's like drilling for oil.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
There will be blood, there will be blood. Yes, it's
like freak your milk, yeah something.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
It's just he's yeah, I mean, but he's super good, gifted,
super gifted. He's probably my favorite just because of that. Now,
the one who probably entertains me the most. I like
Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
He's still wear one glove. Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I think he's got like some deformity on his hand
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, right hand or something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I mean, there's there's there's a few. There's a few
out there that I love. Samuel L. Jackson. I think
he's dope.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
You know, I'm a big fan of Gary Oldman. I
think Gary Oldman's my guy because Gary Oldman went from
Churchhill and years prior to that, he was the pimp
in True Romance. Like he's tremendous and he was also
in that vampire movie. What's the vampire movie?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Man? Come on right, come on, go for two.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Come on, b you don't have Vampire, not Twilight. That
movie sucks. There was like a vampire Dracula. Yeah, yeah,
that one. Whatever, Vampire Dracus. That one, I don't know.
It should be a home game, rights, I screwed that one.
That was an autobiography about you.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
He was Bram Stoker's Dracula. Right, Who else is it that?
There's like pretty.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Anthony Hopkins, Anthony Hopkins.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
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I just think that if if you can act.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
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Speaker 3 (14:18):
And I don't know who you are, Like, is that
is that? That is Daniel day Lewis Like, yeah, if
you could do that, I mean I thought it was
the Butcher, Like, I thought that was pretty dope.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well yeah, listen, No, we had a couple of Daniel
day Lewis's in that game last night, but only one
of them can get to win, so they true.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
There you go with that.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
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But one of the storylines in the NFL that's kind
of flown under the radar because we're not used to this,
just like we're not used to seeing the Baltimore Ravens
defense struggle the way it has this year is the
Steelers defense has not been great this year and they're
in the midst of a pretty rough stretch where they're
(17:21):
allowing a lot of yards, a lot of points. The
second half against the Packers, like they got showed up
and spit out on national TV. And it's the first
time in a while where the conversation's not if you
could just get something from the quarterback, or you could
just get something from the offense, this team could be
a real threat. Instead, the defense has not been great.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Watt has not been the same TJ. Watt that they've
thought he was going to be. They've dealt with some
injuries as well too, and so Mike Tomlin, the Steelers
head coach, took time to back his defensive coordinator Tarrell Austin,
but also acknowledge they got issues on that side of
the ball.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Don't tail a long time. He's very capable, he's very thorough.
I largely been pleased with his work, but certainly he
and I are not pleased with where we are right
now from a defensive unit perspective, and so we're just
gonna keep working.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So the Pittsburgh Steelers are going to keep working, and
that work is going to continue this week against the
Indianapolis Colts, who have the best offense in the NFL.
So now all the discussion that we were having. Oh
and by the way, highest paid defensive unit in the NFL,
so they have the most money locked up on that
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side of the ball in the league. And yet on
that side of the ball, they have underperformed in comparison
to maybe what the offense has done, and especially what
we've done in particular what we've seen from the Steelers
defense in particular over the past several years.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Obviously it's not a dominant defense, but I don't think
it's a dominant offense either. So when and when I
look at the Steelers team, ultimately I think that personnel wise,
Yet they do have t J. Watt. They have Jalen
(19:16):
Jalen Ramsey. They they they had you know, they they
have brought in some guys. They brought in the guy
from UH from the Eagles to be in the secondary.
I think they were hoping to shore up there their
passing defense so that they could ultimately, you know, really
focus in on the run and and then have enough
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offense with with bringing in and acquiring Aaron Rodgers and
and I guess thinking that losing losing Pickens and bringing
in DK Metcalf would cure whatever it is that they
were dealing with with Pickens. I can't say it hasn't
worked out well for them. They're they're having a pretty
(20:00):
good season. I mean, they had a slip up against
Green Bay. They totally look like they were outmatched and
out manned in the second half. I don't know too
many defenses that are going to be able to defense
the Green Bay Packers fully healthy. It just makes me
wonder about when you look at where you know, the
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top teams are right now. I mean two of them
that come to mind just very quickly are the Kansas
City Chiefs that just got healthy, got Rashid Rice back.
You know, got guys out there and they're dangerous. They
can spread the field out on you. And obviously, you know,
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you think about Cincinnati and what they could possibly do
with what they have and multiple guys it and it
makes you wonder, why would you allow Pickens to go?
Because I think the best defense is a great offense. Honestly,
you could play really, really fine, but you know, if
your offense isn't isn't up to snuff in today's NFL,
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in today's football, you're you're you know, I don't see
it ending well for you.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I mean, there was the stories out there that that
Pickens was kind of a pain in the ass. Yeah, yeah,
that they I mean, he was fined, you know, a
couple hundred thousand dollars from the team from the league
last year because of issues and incidents that were going
on there. He was clearly going to want a new deal,
and so they thought, well, listen, if we could get
something in return, we can just give that money to
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DK Metcalf and that would be fine.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I just it's kind of missing one though. You need
one more.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
If I'm Pittsburgh, if I'm Aaron Rodgers, I need it
one more.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
But it is kind of it is kind of weird that.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
And look, this could be pure coincidence, but if you
look at the AFC North, if you were to say,
coming into this year and someone said, hey, what's the
identity of the AFC North, you go, oh, defense Like
that's like, that's a that's the struggling black and blued
the division, a struggling bro like.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
The Browns aren't bad.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
The Browns have the best defense in that division by
a mile, and they're awful.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
They are brutal.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
And so the Steelers, you know, went out there was
a you know, the Patriots made a couple of deals
yesterday and traded away some guys who were backups. Kyle
Duggar is one of the guys that is on his
way to Pittsburgh. The safety keyon White is now a
forty nine er. So Pittsburgh, you know, tried to address
that side of the ball. I just I don't know
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what to make of Pittsburgh at this point, because I
feel like, if you could get a little bit more
help defensively, I'd feel a lot better about this team
going into the back end of the season. And I've
never I don't recall ever saying that about Pittsburgh it's
always been and if your offense could just deliver, you know,
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you'd be on the right path. But now it feels
like much like Mike Tottlin was backing Matt Canada, who
was his oc for you know, a couple of years,
and while everyone was saying we got to get the
offense fix, the offense fix, now he's having to speak
up on Biafa Terra Austin because the defense just hasn't
been good. And that's a lot of money locked up
(23:23):
on that defense with Ramsey and Hayward and TJ.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Watt.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I mean, you're just not getting what you thought you
were going to be getting from that team coming into
the air.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, but they're still a good team and they still
have time to improve, and I think that that's what's,
you know, most important. We're talking about a team that's
first in their division and trying to figure out what's
the best approach moving forward, as their coach mentioned in
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terms of how to how to be better. I mean
they're one game ahead, I believe, one game ahead of Cincinnati.
Cincinnati is you know they let one get away? What
does you know? What does this Baltimore Ravens team do
as they wait for the return of Lamar Jackson. I'm
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sure he's probably going to play this week. They are
a four and three team. I think it's still going
to come down to, Yes, try to improve what your
defense is doing. Yes, that is the personality and the
identity that has been a part of the Pittsburgh Steelers
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as well as a part of that division as a
whole in its entirety. But they're going to have to improve.
They're going to have to improve on the offensive side of.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
The ball, and.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I feel like if they're able to do it defensively,
that is a win, a win an added bonus for
the Pittsburgh Steelers, and who, like I would assume that
whatever it is they need to do to write the ship,
they'll figure out a way to do it.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I mean, that's what they're known for. And you're getting
production from your running backs like like, you know, maybe
not so much the previous game, but you've got Jalen
Warren's out there playing pretty good football. Like this felt like,
all right, now we're not hearing conversations about, well, if
we could just get anything from our quarterback, if we
could just get anything from the offense. Now it's switched
(25:32):
and everything's about the defense, Like this is what they're
known for.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
That's Steelers football.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I've never in my life said, wow, man, that defense
is brutal when it comes to the Steelers, Like, no,
you just kind of pencil that in, like all right, well, yeah,
you're gonna get You're gonna get great play defensively from
the Steelers, from the Ravens, the Bengals have you know,
we talked about that yesterday. They've got their own issues
going on defensively there. But it's just it's odd that
in the same year that's the one you look at
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and go, yeah, Like, offensively, that's not the issue. It's
just defensively. If they could get a little bit more
from their defense, this team's in a much better spot.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
If we're being honest. Is there any team that you
feel as a legitimate contender out of the AFC North
right now today?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
No?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
And I think that that's probably the most indicting of
comments and conclusions that you could possibly come up with.
But I think it would be totally I don't think
anyone would have a tremendous debate that right now the
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AFC North doesn't have a team that if you said
the playoffs were starting today. This team is dangerous in
the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
It's the most disappointing division in the league by far,
because look, and Joe Burrow's injury is Joe Burrow's injury.
But that's been Joe Burrow's history. He like, when is
Joe Burrow had a year where there hasn't been some
sort of a problem, you know, pop up to where
he's got health issues or something like that, or before
the season he'd ruptured a spleen or something like that
(27:11):
a couple of years ago as well too. So the
Bengals situation, you're just kind of used to that. But
you know, we talked about it yesterday. Zach Taylor basically
called out the defense. Listen, they're not good. Al Golden
was their defensive coordinator, was saying, yeah, we've got to
fix that side of the ball. So the Bengals have
been disappointing, The Ravens have been really disappointing despite getting
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a win last week, and the Steelers on that side
of the ball. The conversation about the Steelers the past
two games has completely changed because if you beat Cincinnati
and Joe Flacco had been there an hour and a
half then you could look at the game against the
Packers and go all right, yeah, like, listen, this is
not not exactly the result we wanted in the second half.
(27:53):
But now you've dropped two in a row, and the
discussion about Pittsburgh's much different than it was, and Mike
Tomlin even said, look, we didn't handle it well. It
just it feels like that division as a whole, somebody's
got to win it. But to your point, I don't
look at anybody there and go all right, they're gonna
be a problem for Kansas City, especially right now the
way it looks, and we're basically halfway.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Through the air, and then there's the idea of trying
to figure out which we're going to get, which I
would expect and fully anticipate the Steelers to actually raise
up in this game against the Colts. Like I don't
think that this is going to be an easy game
where they went by.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Two possessions and dominate.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
The game like they have with some of these other teams.
I think they're going to have their hands full with
the Steelers, And so I think the good thing about
it is is while today I'll say I do not
believe there's a legitimate contender for the Super Bowl if
the playoffs were to start today. Out of the AFC North,
there's still a lot of football to be played and
(28:57):
there's still a lot of time to development and figure
out what, you know, what people are going to do.
But in terms of personnel wise, this just doesn't fit
what they've had in the past in my estimation, in
terms of what was connected to those dominant defenses.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Do we have any game show music? We get some
game show music here because I got something for you
and they think you're gonna find interesting. All right, So,
according to DraftKings, can you guess which team in the
AFC North is right now the favorite to win that division?
(29:41):
I will give you these standings as they currently stand
in the AFC North right now. These Steelers are in
first place at four and three, The Bengals are second
at three and five, Baltimore is third at two and five,
and the Browns are last right now at two and six. So,
with that being said, which team, according to DraftKings is
(30:04):
the favorite to win the AFC North right now on
the morning of October twenty ninth.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I mean, I think the most sensible decision to make
would have to be the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
That is incorrect. It's the Bangers, but it should be
the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
The Baltimore Ravens are the favorite to win the AFC No.
Seven one at minus one thirty, So you're gonna have
to actually pay one hundred and thirty bucks if you
want to win a Hunter back. That is how much
confidence the odds makers have in the Baltimore Ravens bouncing back.
The team that's been the most disappointing.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
They're not that far away. I mean, but two wins,
two wins? How many games have they been without Lamar Jackson.
He's been a part of those losses. Yeah, yeah, it's
not like they started losing when Lamar Jackson went out.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
They've been losing even when he was in there.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I mean, look the you know, and you want to
blame the defense on that, but the opener where Derek
hen like Derek Henry's fumbles have been a problem as
well too. That's what you know, sort of led to
the demise of Baltimore and their opener against the Bills.
But yeah, like that win against the Bears, and I
think you pointed it out was their second win of
the season, and like we're coming up on November. Like,
(31:31):
that's and that team's favored to win that division right now.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
That says a lot about what they, you know, the
odds makers feel about that division.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I mean, what did you say they are at two
and five? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, Like and that's that says a lot about how
people feel about the Steelers because don't don't the don't
the don't the statistics say.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
That if you lose your first three or four games
something to that effect, well, yeah, you don't go to
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Then the Baltimore Ravens like run over the number amount
of losses where you'd say, statistics say that they are
they're definitely not going to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
It was one of the like, if you know, if
you start out the year one and three, your odds
to make the postseason are, you know, drastically lower than
I think, like five percent maybe something like that. But yeah,
and yet here we are and look and look.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
It's a poor it's a poor play out of the
AFC North has made it a possibility.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
It's also the other thing about Lamar Jackson that I
find kind of interesting is everybody just assumes, oh, well,
he's back now just pencil them in.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Everything's going to be fine.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
And there was some speculation that part of the issue
with you know, what happened with the injury report status
last week and whether or not he was a full
participant or not a full you know whatever. However, the
fines are going to be handed out for that. There
was part like there are some rumblings that maybe they
thought he was going to play against Chicago and he
(33:01):
decided not to. I was like, no, I don't think
I'm ready yet. And so they've got a short week.
They're actually going to be playing at Miami coming up
tomorrow night. But everyone just assumes, well, Lamar's coming off
this injury everything, he's just got to pick up where
we expect him to be at an MVP level. It's
a hamstring. He's a mobile quarterback. Like I don't know,
(33:22):
I mean, like you tell me mobile quarterback the hamstring.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I think if he was one hundred percent healthy, it's
still a tap bit far fetched to think that a
two and five team in the AFC North would be
favored to still win that division.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
That's to me.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
I think that what you and listen, you do have
to go with the quarterback and so maybe the reasoning
behind the odds being in favor of Lamar Jackson is
the estimation or guestimation of what his impact will be
once he starts playing. Whether one hundred percent or not,
(34:04):
it's still better than every quarterback in that in that division.
And I wouldn't say that that's inaccurate. You know, I
think that Aaron Rodgers is still showing glimpses of his talent,
but he's not the.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Aaron Rodgers of old.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
And and so if you're looking at it from the
standpoint of is there a big enough gap wins wise
for the teams ahead of Baltimore to stay ahead of Baltimore,
I would say it's it's it was. It's dangerously close
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to there not being enough games left for you to
be able to define it that way, But you still
have a whole half of a season to go. Like
if we were like two three more games out from this,
I'd have a more definitive take on on how feasible
it is for a third place team to actually climb
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to winning the division.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
The last two games for Pittsburgh changed I think how
people felt about the division, because if Pittsburgh would have
held on against Cincinnati if they would have just split
one of these two. Now they're a five and two
team and you've got a much much wider gap as
far as your lead goes, and that don't.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
You still have to ask the question is this team
good enough to sustain that going into the playoffs? Like, Okay,
they're at five and two, but is that a is
that five and two misleading?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Especially after the Cincinnati game, I would say, yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Know what I mean, like the way they go about winning,
and that's been the problem even when they were undefeated,
where they were at like nine to zero the one
year and people were like, yeah, but is it sustainable
in the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
And that was.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
One of my favorite Rob Parker takes of all time.
Rob Parker said, it's.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
The worst twelve and oh team of all time.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I was like, yeah, who's second worst? Just like throwing
out just label, just giving him a label the worst
of all time? Okay, but yeah, no, it's you know
that that division has been a disappointment. The Steelers had
an opportunity the past two weeks to kind of separate themselves.
They did not, and so because of that, Baltimore getting
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Lamar Jackson back on a short week at Miami is
going to be the fair right now?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
They are only three two games to one game, they're
one game ahead. How many could they lost to Cincinnati?
I know they had one more win than Baltimore, but no, no,
they have more two more wins. Yeah, but I'm trying
(36:53):
how many? How many divisional games have those teams playing?
So Baltimore's want to know in the division and the
Steelers are one and one. Cincinnati is sitting there at
two and zero. So that's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I mean, you get to Natties two to zero in
two division division. Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I would I would be more willing to lean towards
Cincinnati if if Flacco can continue to play at a
high level all.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Their way down the list.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, I mean, if you, I mean, if you're looking
for long shot odds on DraftKings to the Bengals to
win that division right now, sitting at plus eight hundred,
so they're eight to one, so that'll pay you out
a decent amount. By the way, the Browns at forty
to one, which means you know, you bet ten dollars
on that you're going to win a Rolls Royce.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
So that's a hard one. I feel like the AFC
North is a hard division to call, and I'll leave
it at that. I know we gotta get to break,
but I feel like that's a hard one to call
in terms of who you think is going to win.
But I think that that is one of the most
insanely Bowl predictions to give odds that the Baltimore Ravens
(37:57):
will win it, considering how this season has started and
what they've had to kind of make it through or
work through.
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Speaker 8 (39:53):
So in today's in case you missed it, this might
have gone by the wayside, Mike of The Ring The
Ring magazine is reporting that apparently Netflix has been looking
into the possibility of having Floyd Mayweather and many Pacquio
fight once again over ten years since their last fight. Right,
(40:15):
of course, many Pakio now forty six, Floyd Mayweather now
forty eight. Both the guys haven't fought much in the
last decade. Floyd Mayweather notably has had really two real fights.
I guess he fought Andre Berto in September twenty fifteen,
and then, of course the McGregor fight in twenty seventeen,
(40:37):
and then he's had a handful of exhibitions since then.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Gotta spen that long since he fought a non exhibition fight.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, and so would argue the the McGregor fight kind
of was right, you know, a little bit of an exhibition.
He was carrying him along there because he might had
money on the over of how many rounds the fight would.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Go I'll spend.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Pacio looked much better, and I think a lot of
people thought he was going to against Mario Bari.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Sounds ridiculous.
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Well okay, okay, that's what I want to know. Stop okay,
But what if it stopped them? What if they said,
we're doing this, it's going to be a real fight,
no exhibition, and both guys can get on the gas
like we will allow both guys.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
You don't know, you're not into that.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Mike Tyson has forever ruined comeback exhibition fights, regular fight
with old phobies. Why the forman gave everybody hope? Mike
Tyson stripped it away? What about it was? It was
Mike Tyson's ass and shotstrap that uh that did the damage.
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