December 17, 2025 • 43 mins
On this Wednesday edition of 2 Pros & A Cup Of Joe, the guys discuss the potential of the Dolphins possibly benching Tua and looking at a different QB direction. Plus, the guys discuss Curt Cignetti getting the AP Coach of the Year again and we get a Beefaroni version of ICYMI!
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Speaker 1 (01:36):
And a good morning to you and yours. What up? Stick? Hi?
You go? You got that?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Get Solina in front of you today. I drink one
every day. I just generally finish them before I come in.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
It's going down today.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
As of late, I've been hitting Celsius Yeah yeah, or
the five hour four hour, well with five hour in
twenty five hour.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's so good. It's the way I feel about it.
Are you on coffee today of art?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Or is it?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I haven't tried, just I might hit a I'm depending
on how I feel when I finished this can dictate
if I go hit a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, but I feel pretty good. How you guys feeling, I.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Mean, we, you know, just rocking and rolling here trying
to figure out what the plan is in Miami to
get to the off season.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Well, yeah, there's Saturday.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I think they started the off season in August, if
I'm being honest with you.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
But but they took a season off, is what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, why wouldn't you?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Okay, Mike McDaniel, the head coach of the Dolphins, your
guy spoke a little bit following the game on Monday night,
and you know, and talking about to his performance and
just you know, kind of said, yeah, listen, you know, offensively,
there's more than you know, just the quarterback. There's other
things that go into it. But it was a disappointing performance,
et cetera, et cetera. Well, a few hours later yesterday
(03:00):
with the media and apparently all things are on the
table when it comes to the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Are you considering a quarterback change this week? Well, I
think the quarterback play.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Last night was not good enough, and so for me,
everything's on the table.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
And who would you consider going to if you make
a change?
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Well, I think that you know, we're in the process
of game planning for the Cincinnati Bengals. So in that process,
we're trying to determine who'll give us the best chance
to win. And I'll probably give you more clarity on
that tomorrow as we are I think fourteen hours removed
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from the game.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
All right, based on what you just heard, does that
sound like two is about to get benched?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And it does.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
It does sound like he's And the framing of it
is based upon his perform So if he gets benched,
it's not you're preserving him and preserving his health, it's
you're trying to preserve the five game winning streak that
just ended and in the probably try to end the
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season over five hundred and and you can only do
that what they can. They'd have to win out to
be able to get over five hundred, right if they
if they lose one, then they're assured what that that
they can.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, like the playoffs are out that that's not happening.
But you know, if you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
If they win the next three games, right, right.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So the next three games are the Bengals, the Bucks
and at the Patriots, and.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So that means they're probably going to lose a lot
of those games. Yeah, I would venture to guess, uh
so one or two.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Honestly speaking, is there is there a chance you can
feel is though keeping Toua in makes a better case
for you moving forward. If you put a different quarterback
in and and you lose those games, does that does
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that impact you more if you're if you're the coach
of this team, I almost feel like you could expose Like,
for instance, he said the quarterback play wasn't good enough,
So you go with Zach Wilson or quin yours, which
quin Yours is a unique name. That's that's a name
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that may like incite some excitement about the future.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I still was trying to figure out why he lasted
until the seventh round, Like that's the other one that
you know, everyone you know talks about share and it's
not to that level. But I always thought he would
have gone sooner than that. But you know, he dropped
the name significantly.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It's a name, it's got pedigree connected to it. So
if you go at one of the younger guys, well,
Zack Wilson isn't considered to be a younger guy anymore.
He's and and I don't I don't know that Zach
Wilson moves the needle in terms of you're going for
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an excitement factor here. I don't think it's Zach Wilson.
But if you put Zack Wilson in, and that must
mean that you think that Zach Wilson can bring an
element to the table that's not so much more than
quin yours because he's a baby, but more than Tua
your your money bag, QB. I think I think he's
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in a I think Mike McDaniel is in a He's
in a very interesting and curious position because I think
up until that Pittsburgh game, he has done enough to say,
you know what, like we can give him some more time. Simately,
I think he's they've coached well enough, they've done well enough,
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they got a quality win in there where you can say, yeah,
give him a little bit more time. So this change,
I think this late in the season, with three games left,
if you're pulling him because you don't think he's good
enough now, that that impacts next season. I think the
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biggest impact here is what does that mean for Tua
going into the offseason into next season, and and that
becomes the bigger conversation.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Uh, benching him now is a complete waste of time. Yeah,
it really is, Like, really, this makes it. You're not
trading him, nobody's taking that contract. If you cut him,
it's like a one hundred million dollars dead cap hit.
Like it's just he's not going anywhere. So what's the point.
If you wanted to make a statement earlier in the year,
when he was airing at his teammates or whatever he
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you know, went public with after a game, then I
could get it, because it's almost like a height.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
We don't do that here.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
You need to respect your teammates and just because you're
the quarterback, you're not above anybody else. I could, I
could kind of understand that at this point, the season's over,
and the idea that he would even entertain the thought
of it, I don't know what that accomplishes.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You have there. It's not like you you.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Know, he's he's a veteran, he's making a bunch of money,
But we really love this young quarterback. We drafted behind him.
One's a late round pick and the other was a
cast off who's on like team number four three, whatever
it is. For Zach Wilson, I just look at it
and I go, why, Now, what's the point you're paying.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Them all that money? Just let him go out and
sling it.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You mentioned Shador earlier, Let's open the conversation up to
Cleveland as well. Shador didn't have that grade of a
game last last game, No at all. No, he did not, Okay,
And yet there's the possibility that Deshaun Watson is available
to play. Three games left, two games left, Okay. They
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said that they're going to maintain Shador as the starter
going into next year. That's that's the perceived notion. That's
the conversations as being had. But much like the Miami Dolphins,
it doesn't matter what happens from here on out. You're
out of the playoffs, and what does what does it matter?
Like Stefanski's job probably on the line, they lose, his
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job probably gone.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Okay, if that's the case.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
If I'm the Cleveland Browns organization, why are you not
putting to Shaun Watson in the game to see what
he can do? Much like the Miami Dolphins, it's reverse.
It's in reverse because your money guy. You're saying, hey,
I keep I keep my money guy in. I don't
need to preserve him like he's going to play, right,
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So I'm not worried about bringing in the rookie or
seeing what Zach Wilson can do because I have my
money guy, and we're going to keep him.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Man, We're going to.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Finish the season unless I decide to shut him down
due to injury concern. But for Cleveland, it's like, Okay,
we've gotten an opportunity to see Shador Sanders, but we
have all of this money, like Tua, we have all
of this money wrapped up in what was perceivably going
to be our franchise quarterback, and he's healthy enough to play.
(10:31):
Why would you not put him in to start and
play the final games.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean, I don't know if he's he's returned to practice.
I don't know if he's hypothetical. Yeah, I mean, look,
I think that the Cleveland Browns look at Deshaun Watson
and they go, yeah, we kind of yeah, we've kind
of seen it. Yeah, we we know exactly how this
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is going, and coming off of injury, I don't know
how you trust him that whatever results you're gonna get
from him. We are going to be different than what
you saw before. Here's the problem system. Here's the problem
with that logic. The problem with that logic is what
are you doing with him as season's in. What's the
cap hit for releasing him? Oh got a ton like
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that's it's more than tua or close. I think is
in the sixty I think two is it's a lot.
It's like in the sixties. It's it's it's another one
of those nobody's gonna trade for that, correct And.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
So if he came out and he lit it up
show life, it's not about to me, which is interesting
because if he comes out and he lights it up,
it's like, huh, we got something like maybe we do
start Deshaun Watson or let him Chador and Gabriel fight
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it out. Next year, Schador comes in as the incumbent starter.
Deshaun Watson has to beat him out, which is crazy
to think. And let's just say, for the sake of
saying you don't you don't, let's this is maybe more realistic.
Deshaun Watson comes back healthy for next season. What is
the quarterback situation in Cleveland? And I think that these
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are two relevant conversations because much like what you said,
these are two untradeable commodities assets that are on your team.
So you can't just ignore the money. You can't just
ignore that we paid these guys franchise fees like these
are max type contracts, record breaking, record setting contracts. You
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can't just turn a blind eye to it. So the
fact that you're talking about benching tou A for three
games left and your season is gone, it's over, it's done,
it's a rap.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
What are you.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Benching him for. You're not benching him to preserve him.
So if you're not benching him to figure out who
your quarterback of the future is, why are you benching him?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, And that's I think, you know, maybe Shador has
shown the Cleveland Browns enough that they're.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Like, well, let's let's at least see what we've gotten this.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And you know, especially if if Deshaun Watson's not totally
healthy and ready to get back on the field with
the dolphin stuff, I just I don't know what, like
I could understand if like, hey, we plan on trading him,
we don't want him to get hurt. Totally get it.
Nobody's trading for him. There's there's nobody that's trading for him.
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He's not going anywhere, So why what does this accomplish?
And I just I don't it doesn't make any sense.
I mean, if you were going to go look what
I like to see Zach Wilson get an opportunity and say, hey,
let's see what that looks like in a different place, No, okay,
but I don't. I mean I would be curious to
see Quinn yours. I'd be curious to see, like, like,
(13:55):
what is that? But at the same time, nun's a
long term answer. Two is going to be there, So
what are we doing? That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I think yours is more of a that's more of
a curious conversation, like I would want to know can
he can he do it at this level? Like let's
see if he can do it? I get that because
now you're you gotta be you gotta be preparing for
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life post post to a tongue of a loa like
you gotta be planning on the moving on part of that,
and what does it look like? And that's why I
open the conversation up to the Cleveland Browns because regardless
of what anybody thinks or what they want to say.
You still got to prepare for post Deshaun Watson era
and Cleveland. And while people will say, well, what do
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you mean he didn't even play this year, his contract
says that you still have to prepare for post Deshaun
Watson era in Cleveland. I feel like his contract buys
him one more opportunity to be the guy in Cleveland.
Now why you may say right now, Shador is our guy.
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If Stefanski loses his job, you're back to zero. And
let's be clear, I don't know that Shador's film legitimizes
and and actually makes it a simple choice for the
next coach. You're not bringing the next coach in saying
you better make it work with any one of these guys.
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But this one controls the power because he's got the
largest contract.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
You don't think You don't think Shador's had perfect timing
thus far and as a as a starter in this league,
like you don't think he's.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I think Shador has shown you glimpses of what he
can be. I think I think Shador Sanders, just like
any other quarterback, shows the potential of what he could
possibly be. But it's a turbulent it's a turbulent place
to be in, it's a turbulent organization, it's a turbulent season.
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And how much of that is on Stefadski. How much
of that can you look at with Shador and say that,
you know, maybe he's better in a different situation, different
set of circumstances.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
All I'm saying is is the new coach comes in,
he doesn't have to play by the rules that this
current group is playing by. So you're not going to
come in the next season saying we're solid with Shador
at starter. You're going to have to when you do
your interviews with the ownership and the decision makers, You're
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going to have to justify what you're doing with the roster.
You guys have to figure out how that that you know,
the salary cap, what you're doing exactly how things were
executed in New England and the way Mike Mike Vrabel
came in and did what he did. You gotta have
the conversation about Sean Watson because the money is there,
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and I feel like that's kind of the biggest This
is the that's the biggest piece of this regardless of
what you feel about Shador or Dylan Gabriel, it's you
gotta still follow the money.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I mean, maybe the Dolphins should just hire Brian Flores back,
just see if he can check.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I mean, they obviously had it right. I hate to
say it, but obviously he had it right well. To listen,
they decided to move on from him after there. Let
me ask you had they decided to move on after
Tua's rookie contract and not extended him with this big
ass contract they gave him. Would they be better off
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or would they be or would they be in the
same place or worse off?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I would say worse off because I do think he's
played well at times under McDaniel this year. Obviously he's regressed,
but I think his to his big issue was the concussions,
Like he just I think that completely changed the course
of what this would look like with Mike McDaniel. And
it's nobody's fault. I mean, if you want to blame
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to it or not, you know, did he get.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Those did he get those concussions before the injury, I mean,
before the before the big contract.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
A couple, yeah, A couple yeah, there, Yeah, there was
a couple.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
And then there was like one one or so after
he got the contract, one or one, maybe two. I
think they're better off if they had figured out what
are they going to do post tour? And I think
Florads knew it. I think Florads knew it toa hit
his tua. Hit his ceiling when they had that that
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one good year with with with.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
McDaniel, he had his ceiling. That's it.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
You're not getting anything else. That team is not going
any further. You're not going to have any more excitement
under too as a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Well is what it is. Damn.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
So I think that you look at it from and
even if I'm wrong, even if I'm wrong, the injury
aspect of it, the concern of that I'm planning my
exit strategy on that stock and I'm looking for new players, which,
by the way, you have Quen Yours on your team.
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You brought in Zach Wilson. I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I don't subscribe to it. I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I don't believe that Zach Wilson is the answer. But
we've seen we've seen guys rejuvenate their careers going to
other places. Part Polynesian that Zach Wilson. I don't care
letting you know me, Yeah, I know, but I don't care.
I just want all baller.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I mean yours. Don't judge a book by its cover,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I just think Quen yours is an interesting name. And
if you're planning on moving on.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
By the way, they got Zack Wilson's twenty three and
meter back and they're.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Like, yeah, I don't I don't see it, but whatever,
say what this is the same guy that kept Archie
Manning out of out of starting in college, and he's
staying and he's going to come back to try to
have a bigger year, bigger impact. But just keep in
mind after seeing what arch did this year or didn't
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do this year, to me, it makes the conversation if
you really were to delve into it, like when yours
might have been even more legit than what you had
originally thought he was. I just I just think that
you're better off starting to move on from this, Like
blow it up. If I'm if I'm Miami, blow it up,
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blow it up, get rid of the cheetah, get rid
of to a blow it up, start over. That's what
I would do. Just detonate and then say goodbye bye. Which,
by the way, I throw some hot sauce on them
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You put some of that jay, put some of that
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know why because it is the original Louisiana hot sauce
that gives you that edit little feel the game day
every day. So make sure you try it. That's Louisiana
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Speaker 1 (26:52):
But the box is obliterated. Right.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
So I've been watching the news and you're seeing these
people grabbing boxes, so it's like porch pirates. Okay, So
so now they're putting it in front of the garage door.
So what I've been doing is leaving my garage up.
I could see from my couch. I could see my
like outside of my garage where the packages are being sat,
(27:17):
and I had my burner, and then somebody walks up
on my I've been really like in my mind convincing
myself that I'm a bust a burner cap and somebody's
ad somebody's going to try to pirate one of the boxes,
and I'm going I'm a bust on them.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah you got you got a two hundred pound dog
and a burner. Yeah, yeah, so take your pick. This
is my nightmare.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, I think the dog. You have a better chance
with the dog because I'm busting caps. I'm empty in
the clip. Yeah, porch pirates are just scumbags and just
the wildest thing though, Like why just scumbags? Why do
you think that's okay? And you know what's crazy is
I don't know if you do a lot of online
shop being do any of you guys do a lot
of online shopping?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I mean just in my every day why?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I mean don't you find it to be curious and
very interesting of how these companies are like separating themselves
from these happenings, Like if your esqets stolen, we have
nothing to do with it, like it's literally in the
small print when you're ordering anymore, Like they take it
(28:26):
that's on you. Yeah, which is crazy to me because
you would think that if it's being delivered to you,
if you don't, if it's not confirmed that I got
the product, then that's not good customer service. But they're
basically saying, hey, we're not liable for like it is
there before you're able to order. We are not liable
if the order does not make.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
It to you.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
That's why I got my simply Safe. Try try some
of these shenanigans. I got you. That's why I got
a burner locked in. Oh, okay, Berner, the simply Safe
Okay Mastiff.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
Yeah, understand how porch pirates have the audacity, Like there
are so many ring cameras. Who was that player whose
mom got caught last year stealing off of a from
No D Yeah I forget.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Oh I forget who that was. But yeah, no, everything's
on camera.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
That is true. We do have a ring, but I
don't think they care. Pach pirates don't care about getting
getting on a ring camera.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I don't care. They just come up and grab it.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, they probably have thought about doing that. At my
place and then they hear my wife feeling at us
in Spanish and they go.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Bam, why is it because they speak Spanish too?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
No, just you know, it seems you just don't want
that cartel like you're way over a box. Those people
have seen Narcos Mexico.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
That doesn't mean every person is part of a cartel,
though you do know that.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I mean, listen, just the way she sounds round up
if you have to, just letting you know.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Man, hey, man, come on, come on down to Oxico.
You can have a problem. I said to leave, didn't
want to leave. Now you can't go. It is just
pull out a burner right now.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Can we give a little love to the one and
only Kurt Signetti?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
All right? Peace? Kurt Signetti? Google him.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
For the second straight year, he was named AP Coach
of the Year in college football. He's the first coach
to win the honor in consecutive years and is the
fourth to win the honor multiple times. The others would
be Nick Saban, Gary Patterson, and Brian Kelly. But what
Kurt Signetti has done, and we talked about it after
they won the Big Ten title game at Indiana to
turn around that program which was historically awful, like worst ever,
(30:49):
just terrible. To see what he's done in such a
short amount of time done this kind of put the
heat on other coaches in the world of college football, like,
hey man, how did that guy do it?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Indiana? Yes, how did that guy do it? How did
he do it the way he did it at Indiana?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
So like you see that I'm and I'm seeing him
get all these awards and all these accolades.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And there is now he's added a Heisman like they've
never had a Heisman Trophy winner. No, not even close.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, it like so that's why I look at it
and I go seeing his success and what he's done
in such a short amount of time, Like I could understand,
Hey listen, slow build. You know, he takes over the
job and year six or seven, all of a sudden,
they're a fringe college football playoff team. No, they're the
number one team in the country. He's lost what once
(31:43):
twice since he's gotten there, They've got the Heisman Trophy winner,
They've got like and you just see the program the
way it's done, and you look at it and I go, man,
that that if I'm a coach around college football, like
or if I'm an ad or if I'm if I'm
if I'm a booster, I'm looking going why was he
(32:03):
able to do it?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
And what's your excuse?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
And it just feels like his success maybe puts the
heat on some other places in college football.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Just think everybody has their secret sauce and listen, there's
no there's definitely no taking away the fact that he
was with coach Nick Saban. I mean, every everybody that
I hear that comes through his coaching staff and his
coaching treat even if they were someone who was a
(32:34):
head coach prior to right, they.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Come there and they learn. To me.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I feel like the secret sauce is the process. You
always hear process driven by into the process, trust the process.
By into the process. I think you learn a winning
process being with Nick Saban, and then you take and
you're allowed to add who you are are to what
(33:01):
it is that you're doing from that process somewhere else.
And that mixture of what Kirk sign Netty's experience has
been his experiences that has led to the experience that
he's executing at Indiana. I mean, he's been able to
build the process. He's been able to convince athletes out
(33:21):
there that Indiana is okay.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Is it Bloomington.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah, it's like it's okay, it's okay to come here,
it's okay to play here. I mean he got one
of our star receivers, LeVar Keys, is going to Indiana.
He decommitted after the firing. He's going to Indiana. Now,
I mean there they are, their recruiting lanes are wide open,
so they're able to get top recruits. That's from Maryland.
(33:47):
And and he's able to use the portal. And and
so to me and looking at what he's been able
to build, is it replicatable? Yeah, sure, it's replicatable. And
the replication comes from again, whatever your secret sauce is
(34:07):
in terms of one getting your staff to buy into
it and believe it, two being able to get you
your players to buy into it and subscribe to it,
three being able to get your recruits to be able
to buy into it, and then executing, because that's really
(34:27):
all it's been. He's put the process into play. He's
preached the gospel and that what is perceived maybe public
persona arrogance by Kirk Sittinetti, is really to me the
lifeblood of why what he's doing works. He believes so much,
so wholeheartedly, and what he brings to the table that
(34:52):
it comes across as so authentic. And now as an underdog,
you can buy into that. You can get into that.
The players can subscribe to it, buy into it, get
into it the coaching staff. So now you come out
here with this idea and this belief the same way
the coach does. You've gone through the process the same
(35:13):
way the coach has gone through it and wants you
to go through it, and then you see the results
pop up and you can't. You can't undervalue again, I
said this on prior shows. You can undervalue the amount
of I guess production you get from guys when they
(35:34):
know the coach truly believes in them. That is now
the new way Jonas. That is from twenty five on.
If you're a coach that is berating guys. If you're
a I'm not a relationship driven type of coach where
you're not building relationships with your guys, you cannot make
(35:57):
it in in this day. It's not a day and
age for you. Old school coaches cannot make it in
today's football culture.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Last four years as a head coach, two at James
Madison to at Indiana. He's forty three and six.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Eh, wild, I'm telling your shot out of a cannon. Belief.
Belief matters, bro, when you have guys that can play.
Belief matters when you have guys that are above average
that can play, and they have belief that that's a
dangerous team. Like, they're a dangerous team could possibly win
it all. I don't think they will, but they're a
(36:34):
team that could possibly win it all.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Can't sleep on them. Can't sleep on.
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made out of it. It's got there's meeting there the because.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
It's what's for dinner. It's air it's air tight, it's
air sealed. Okay, well it's a non perishable. Man, that's
like them Bana sausages and the potted meat. You remember
pott meat. Like, they're non perishables. Break out some salting
crackers and get to work. Shots out the Carolyn Kayser
(41:42):
Errington man. We used to rock them joints on them
them long road trips. We rocked them. Viviana sausages and
some potted meat.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
Dude, those Vienna sausages used to smack.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
I have a little one out of there.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
It's disgusting now though I look at them now I'm like,
how the hell was I eating them? It looked like
little fingers had fingers up in there. All right, go ahead,
go what you got man?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
All right?
Speaker 9 (42:09):
So we were talking about porch pirates earlier, guys, So
in case you missed it, actually got a little article
for us. So Washington, DC family has said that they
have received one hundred Amazon packages to their local home.
Originally and you know what, it was a mistake. It
was sent to a hotel to be delivered to some hotel,
(42:30):
and they got one hundred packages to their doorstep. I
mean just littered on their whole launch.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Okay, now how's that happen? Can they like? That's how
do you know? How do you know if they kept
any of them? It's just right?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, well, like there's only twenty of them packages left,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Like they usually take a picture of every time they drop. So, hey,
what does that mean? There's porch pirates. I've done it.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
And not only footage is coming from my ring camera,
not yours. You don't have no footage? Hey, can you
provide us with some footage?
Speaker 9 (43:07):
No?
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Speaker 1 (01:36):
And a good morning to you and yours. What up? Stick? Hi?
You go? You got that?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Get Solina in front of you today. I drink one
every day. I just generally finish them before I come in.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
It's going down today.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
As of late, I've been hitting Celsius Yeah yeah, or
the five hour four hour, well with five hour in
twenty five hour.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's so good. It's the way I feel about it.
Are you on coffee today of art?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Or is it?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I haven't tried, just I might hit a I'm depending
on how I feel when I finished this can dictate
if I go hit a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, but I feel pretty good. How you guys feeling, I.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Mean, we, you know, just rocking and rolling here trying
to figure out what the plan is in Miami to
get to the off season.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Well, yeah, there's Saturday.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I think they started the off season in August, if
I'm being honest with you.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
But but they took a season off, is what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, why wouldn't you?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Okay, Mike McDaniel, the head coach of the Dolphins, your
guy spoke a little bit following the game on Monday night,
and you know, and talking about to his performance and
just you know, kind of said, yeah, listen, you know, offensively,
there's more than you know, just the quarterback. There's other
things that go into it. But it was a disappointing performance,
et cetera, et cetera. Well, a few hours later yesterday
(03:00):
with the media and apparently all things are on the
table when it comes to the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Are you considering a quarterback change this week? Well, I
think the quarterback play.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Last night was not good enough, and so for me,
everything's on the table.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
And who would you consider going to if you make
a change?
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Well, I think that you know, we're in the process
of game planning for the Cincinnati Bengals. So in that process,
we're trying to determine who'll give us the best chance
to win. And I'll probably give you more clarity on
that tomorrow as we are I think fourteen hours removed
(03:44):
from the game.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
All right, based on what you just heard, does that
sound like two is about to get benched?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And it does.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
It does sound like he's And the framing of it
is based upon his perform So if he gets benched,
it's not you're preserving him and preserving his health, it's
you're trying to preserve the five game winning streak that
just ended and in the probably try to end the
(04:15):
season over five hundred and and you can only do
that what they can. They'd have to win out to
be able to get over five hundred, right if they
if they lose one, then they're assured what that that
they can.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, like the playoffs are out that that's not happening.
But you know, if you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
If they win the next three games, right, right.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So the next three games are the Bengals, the Bucks
and at the Patriots, and.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So that means they're probably going to lose a lot
of those games. Yeah, I would venture to guess, uh
so one or two.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Honestly speaking, is there is there a chance you can
feel is though keeping Toua in makes a better case
for you moving forward. If you put a different quarterback
in and and you lose those games, does that does
(05:16):
that impact you more if you're if you're the coach
of this team, I almost feel like you could expose Like,
for instance, he said the quarterback play wasn't good enough,
So you go with Zach Wilson or quin yours, which
quin Yours is a unique name. That's that's a name
(05:39):
that may like incite some excitement about the future.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I still was trying to figure out why he lasted
until the seventh round, Like that's the other one that
you know, everyone you know talks about share and it's
not to that level. But I always thought he would
have gone sooner than that. But you know, he dropped
the name significantly.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It's a name, it's got pedigree connected to it. So
if you go at one of the younger guys, well,
Zack Wilson isn't considered to be a younger guy anymore.
He's and and I don't I don't know that Zach
Wilson moves the needle in terms of you're going for
(06:19):
an excitement factor here. I don't think it's Zach Wilson.
But if you put Zack Wilson in, and that must
mean that you think that Zach Wilson can bring an
element to the table that's not so much more than
quin yours because he's a baby, but more than Tua
your your money bag, QB. I think I think he's
(06:40):
in a I think Mike McDaniel is in a He's
in a very interesting and curious position because I think
up until that Pittsburgh game, he has done enough to say,
you know what, like we can give him some more time. Simately,
I think he's they've coached well enough, they've done well enough,
(07:05):
they got a quality win in there where you can say, yeah,
give him a little bit more time. So this change,
I think this late in the season, with three games left,
if you're pulling him because you don't think he's good
enough now, that that impacts next season. I think the
(07:25):
biggest impact here is what does that mean for Tua
going into the offseason into next season, and and that
becomes the bigger conversation.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Uh, benching him now is a complete waste of time. Yeah,
it really is, Like, really, this makes it. You're not
trading him, nobody's taking that contract. If you cut him,
it's like a one hundred million dollars dead cap hit.
Like it's just he's not going anywhere. So what's the point.
If you wanted to make a statement earlier in the year,
when he was airing at his teammates or whatever he
(07:55):
you know, went public with after a game, then I
could get it, because it's almost like a height.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
We don't do that here.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
You need to respect your teammates and just because you're
the quarterback, you're not above anybody else. I could, I
could kind of understand that at this point, the season's over,
and the idea that he would even entertain the thought
of it, I don't know what that accomplishes.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You have there. It's not like you you.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Know, he's he's a veteran, he's making a bunch of money,
But we really love this young quarterback. We drafted behind him.
One's a late round pick and the other was a
cast off who's on like team number four three, whatever
it is. For Zach Wilson, I just look at it
and I go, why, Now, what's the point you're paying.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Them all that money? Just let him go out and
sling it.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You mentioned Shador earlier, Let's open the conversation up to
Cleveland as well. Shador didn't have that grade of a
game last last game, No at all. No, he did not, Okay,
And yet there's the possibility that Deshaun Watson is available
to play. Three games left, two games left, Okay. They
(09:06):
said that they're going to maintain Shador as the starter
going into next year. That's that's the perceived notion. That's
the conversations as being had. But much like the Miami Dolphins,
it doesn't matter what happens from here on out. You're
out of the playoffs, and what does what does it matter?
Like Stefanski's job probably on the line, they lose, his
(09:29):
job probably gone.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Okay, if that's the case.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
If I'm the Cleveland Browns organization, why are you not
putting to Shaun Watson in the game to see what
he can do? Much like the Miami Dolphins, it's reverse.
It's in reverse because your money guy. You're saying, hey,
I keep I keep my money guy in. I don't
need to preserve him like he's going to play, right,
(09:56):
So I'm not worried about bringing in the rookie or
seeing what Zach Wilson can do because I have my
money guy, and we're going to keep him.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Man, We're going to.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Finish the season unless I decide to shut him down
due to injury concern. But for Cleveland, it's like, Okay,
we've gotten an opportunity to see Shador Sanders, but we
have all of this money, like Tua, we have all
of this money wrapped up in what was perceivably going
to be our franchise quarterback, and he's healthy enough to play.
(10:31):
Why would you not put him in to start and
play the final games.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean, I don't know if he's he's returned to practice.
I don't know if he's hypothetical. Yeah, I mean, look,
I think that the Cleveland Browns look at Deshaun Watson
and they go, yeah, we kind of yeah, we've kind
of seen it. Yeah, we we know exactly how this
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is going, and coming off of injury, I don't know
how you trust him that whatever results you're gonna get
from him. We are going to be different than what
you saw before. Here's the problem system. Here's the problem
with that logic. The problem with that logic is what
are you doing with him as season's in. What's the
cap hit for releasing him? Oh got a ton like
(11:16):
that's it's more than tua or close. I think is
in the sixty I think two is it's a lot.
It's like in the sixties. It's it's it's another one
of those nobody's gonna trade for that, correct And.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
So if he came out and he lit it up
show life, it's not about to me, which is interesting
because if he comes out and he lights it up,
it's like, huh, we got something like maybe we do
start Deshaun Watson or let him Chador and Gabriel fight
(11:48):
it out. Next year, Schador comes in as the incumbent starter.
Deshaun Watson has to beat him out, which is crazy
to think. And let's just say, for the sake of
saying you don't you don't, let's this is maybe more realistic.
Deshaun Watson comes back healthy for next season. What is
the quarterback situation in Cleveland? And I think that these
(12:13):
are two relevant conversations because much like what you said,
these are two untradeable commodities assets that are on your team.
So you can't just ignore the money. You can't just
ignore that we paid these guys franchise fees like these
are max type contracts, record breaking, record setting contracts. You
(12:39):
can't just turn a blind eye to it. So the
fact that you're talking about benching tou A for three
games left and your season is gone, it's over, it's done,
it's a rap.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
What are you.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Benching him for. You're not benching him to preserve him.
So if you're not benching him to figure out who
your quarterback of the future is, why are you benching him?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, And that's I think, you know, maybe Shador has
shown the Cleveland Browns enough that they're.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Like, well, let's let's at least see what we've gotten this.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And you know, especially if if Deshaun Watson's not totally
healthy and ready to get back on the field with
the dolphin stuff, I just I don't know what, like
I could understand if like, hey, we plan on trading him,
we don't want him to get hurt. Totally get it.
Nobody's trading for him. There's there's nobody that's trading for him.
(13:35):
He's not going anywhere, So why what does this accomplish?
And I just I don't it doesn't make any sense.
I mean, if you were going to go look what
I like to see Zach Wilson get an opportunity and say, hey,
let's see what that looks like in a different place, No, okay,
but I don't. I mean I would be curious to
see Quinn yours. I'd be curious to see, like, like,
(13:55):
what is that? But at the same time, nun's a
long term answer. Two is going to be there, So
what are we doing? That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I think yours is more of a that's more of
a curious conversation, like I would want to know can
he can he do it at this level? Like let's
see if he can do it? I get that because
now you're you gotta be you gotta be preparing for
(14:24):
life post post to a tongue of a loa like
you gotta be planning on the moving on part of that,
and what does it look like? And that's why I
open the conversation up to the Cleveland Browns because regardless
of what anybody thinks or what they want to say.
You still got to prepare for post Deshaun Watson era
and Cleveland. And while people will say, well, what do
(14:46):
you mean he didn't even play this year, his contract
says that you still have to prepare for post Deshaun
Watson era in Cleveland. I feel like his contract buys
him one more opportunity to be the guy in Cleveland.
Now why you may say right now, Shador is our guy.
(15:08):
If Stefanski loses his job, you're back to zero. And
let's be clear, I don't know that Shador's film legitimizes
and and actually makes it a simple choice for the
next coach. You're not bringing the next coach in saying
you better make it work with any one of these guys.
(15:30):
But this one controls the power because he's got the
largest contract.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
You don't think You don't think Shador's had perfect timing
thus far and as a as a starter in this league,
like you don't think he's.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I think Shador has shown you glimpses of what he
can be. I think I think Shador Sanders, just like
any other quarterback, shows the potential of what he could
possibly be. But it's a turbulent it's a turbulent place
to be in, it's a turbulent organization, it's a turbulent season.
(16:04):
And how much of that is on Stefadski. How much
of that can you look at with Shador and say that,
you know, maybe he's better in a different situation, different
set of circumstances.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
All I'm saying is is the new coach comes in,
he doesn't have to play by the rules that this
current group is playing by. So you're not going to
come in the next season saying we're solid with Shador
at starter. You're going to have to when you do
your interviews with the ownership and the decision makers, You're
(16:39):
going to have to justify what you're doing with the roster.
You guys have to figure out how that that you know,
the salary cap, what you're doing exactly how things were
executed in New England and the way Mike Mike Vrabel
came in and did what he did. You gotta have
the conversation about Sean Watson because the money is there,
(17:02):
and I feel like that's kind of the biggest This
is the that's the biggest piece of this regardless of
what you feel about Shador or Dylan Gabriel, it's you
gotta still follow the money.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I mean, maybe the Dolphins should just hire Brian Flores back,
just see if he can check.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I mean, they obviously had it right. I hate to
say it, but obviously he had it right well. To listen,
they decided to move on from him after there. Let
me ask you had they decided to move on after
Tua's rookie contract and not extended him with this big
ass contract they gave him. Would they be better off
(17:38):
or would they be or would they be in the
same place or worse off?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I would say worse off because I do think he's
played well at times under McDaniel this year. Obviously he's regressed,
but I think his to his big issue was the concussions,
Like he just I think that completely changed the course
of what this would look like with Mike McDaniel. And
it's nobody's fault. I mean, if you want to blame
(18:05):
to it or not, you know, did he get.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Those did he get those concussions before the injury, I mean,
before the before the big contract.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
A couple, yeah, A couple yeah, there, Yeah, there was
a couple.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
And then there was like one one or so after
he got the contract, one or one, maybe two. I
think they're better off if they had figured out what
are they going to do post tour? And I think
Florads knew it. I think Florads knew it toa hit
his tua. Hit his ceiling when they had that that
(18:39):
one good year with with with.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
McDaniel, he had his ceiling. That's it.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
You're not getting anything else. That team is not going
any further. You're not going to have any more excitement
under too as a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Well is what it is. Damn.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
So I think that you look at it from and
even if I'm wrong, even if I'm wrong, the injury
aspect of it, the concern of that I'm planning my
exit strategy on that stock and I'm looking for new players, which,
by the way, you have Quen Yours on your team.
(19:16):
You brought in Zach Wilson. I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I don't subscribe to it. I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I don't believe that Zach Wilson is the answer. But
we've seen we've seen guys rejuvenate their careers going to
other places. Part Polynesian that Zach Wilson. I don't care
letting you know me, Yeah, I know, but I don't care.
I just want all baller.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I mean yours. Don't judge a book by its cover,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I just think Quen yours is an interesting name. And
if you're planning on moving on.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
By the way, they got Zack Wilson's twenty three and
meter back and they're.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Like, yeah, I don't I don't see it, but whatever,
say what this is the same guy that kept Archie
Manning out of out of starting in college, and he's
staying and he's going to come back to try to
have a bigger year, bigger impact. But just keep in
mind after seeing what arch did this year or didn't
(20:12):
do this year, to me, it makes the conversation if
you really were to delve into it, like when yours
might have been even more legit than what you had
originally thought he was. I just I just think that
you're better off starting to move on from this, Like
blow it up. If I'm if I'm Miami, blow it up,
(20:37):
blow it up, get rid of the cheetah, get rid
of to a blow it up, start over. That's what
I would do. Just detonate and then say goodbye bye. Which,
by the way, I throw some hot sauce on them
(20:58):
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Speaker 1 (25:57):
Funny story, what's that? So we have to get.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Our delivery packages set in front of our garage door
or on the other side of the gate because mister
Styx has now decided that any type of boxes, no
matter what it is, if it's even close. Like we
(26:23):
had a pizza delivery the other night, and he uses
his pall. Now he reaches through the gate and can
pull the pizza under the gate and will wear the
pizza out if you put anything on the other side.
Now here's where it's interesting how smart he is. He'll
(26:44):
jack the packaging up, tear the packaging up, but won't
mess up what's inside of it, so it'll just be there.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
But the box is obliterated. Right.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
So I've been watching the news and you're seeing these
people grabbing boxes, so it's like porch pirates. Okay, So
so now they're putting it in front of the garage door.
So what I've been doing is leaving my garage up.
I could see from my couch. I could see my
like outside of my garage where the packages are being sat,
(27:17):
and I had my burner, and then somebody walks up
on my I've been really like in my mind convincing
myself that I'm a bust a burner cap and somebody's
ad somebody's going to try to pirate one of the boxes,
and I'm going I'm a bust on them.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah you got you got a two hundred pound dog
and a burner. Yeah, yeah, so take your pick. This
is my nightmare.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, I think the dog. You have a better chance
with the dog because I'm busting caps. I'm empty in
the clip. Yeah, porch pirates are just scumbags and just
the wildest thing though, Like why just scumbags? Why do
you think that's okay? And you know what's crazy is
I don't know if you do a lot of online
shop being do any of you guys do a lot
of online shopping?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I mean just in my every day why?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I mean don't you find it to be curious and
very interesting of how these companies are like separating themselves
from these happenings, Like if your esqets stolen, we have
nothing to do with it, like it's literally in the
small print when you're ordering anymore, Like they take it
(28:26):
that's on you. Yeah, which is crazy to me because
you would think that if it's being delivered to you,
if you don't, if it's not confirmed that I got
the product, then that's not good customer service. But they're
basically saying, hey, we're not liable for like it is
there before you're able to order. We are not liable
if the order does not make.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
It to you.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
That's why I got my simply Safe. Try try some
of these shenanigans. I got you. That's why I got
a burner locked in. Oh, okay, Berner, the simply Safe
Okay Mastiff.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
Yeah, understand how porch pirates have the audacity, Like there
are so many ring cameras. Who was that player whose
mom got caught last year stealing off of a from
No D Yeah I forget.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Oh I forget who that was. But yeah, no, everything's
on camera.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
That is true. We do have a ring, but I
don't think they care. Pach pirates don't care about getting
getting on a ring camera.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I don't care. They just come up and grab it.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, they probably have thought about doing that. At my
place and then they hear my wife feeling at us
in Spanish and they go.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Bam, why is it because they speak Spanish too?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
No, just you know, it seems you just don't want
that cartel like you're way over a box. Those people
have seen Narcos Mexico.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
That doesn't mean every person is part of a cartel,
though you do know that.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I mean, listen, just the way she sounds round up
if you have to, just letting you know.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Man, hey, man, come on, come on down to Oxico.
You can have a problem. I said to leave, didn't
want to leave. Now you can't go. It is just
pull out a burner right now.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Can we give a little love to the one and
only Kurt Signetti?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
All right? Peace? Kurt Signetti? Google him.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
For the second straight year, he was named AP Coach
of the Year in college football. He's the first coach
to win the honor in consecutive years and is the
fourth to win the honor multiple times. The others would
be Nick Saban, Gary Patterson, and Brian Kelly. But what
Kurt Signetti has done, and we talked about it after
they won the Big Ten title game at Indiana to
turn around that program which was historically awful, like worst ever,
(30:49):
just terrible. To see what he's done in such a
short amount of time done this kind of put the
heat on other coaches in the world of college football, like,
hey man, how did that guy do it?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Indiana? Yes, how did that guy do it? How did
he do it the way he did it at Indiana?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
So like you see that I'm and I'm seeing him
get all these awards and all these accolades.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And there is now he's added a Heisman like they've
never had a Heisman Trophy winner. No, not even close.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, it like so that's why I look at it
and I go seeing his success and what he's done
in such a short amount of time, Like I could understand,
Hey listen, slow build. You know, he takes over the
job and year six or seven, all of a sudden,
they're a fringe college football playoff team. No, they're the
number one team in the country. He's lost what once
(31:43):
twice since he's gotten there, They've got the Heisman Trophy winner,
They've got like and you just see the program the
way it's done, and you look at it and I go, man,
that that if I'm a coach around college football, like
or if I'm an ad or if I'm if I'm
if I'm a booster, I'm looking going why was he
(32:03):
able to do it?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
And what's your excuse?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
And it just feels like his success maybe puts the
heat on some other places in college football.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Just think everybody has their secret sauce and listen, there's
no there's definitely no taking away the fact that he
was with coach Nick Saban. I mean, every everybody that
I hear that comes through his coaching staff and his
coaching treat even if they were someone who was a
(32:34):
head coach prior to right, they.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Come there and they learn. To me.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I feel like the secret sauce is the process. You
always hear process driven by into the process, trust the process.
By into the process. I think you learn a winning
process being with Nick Saban, and then you take and
you're allowed to add who you are are to what
(33:01):
it is that you're doing from that process somewhere else.
And that mixture of what Kirk sign Netty's experience has
been his experiences that has led to the experience that
he's executing at Indiana. I mean, he's been able to
build the process. He's been able to convince athletes out
(33:21):
there that Indiana is okay.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Is it Bloomington.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah, it's like it's okay, it's okay to come here,
it's okay to play here. I mean he got one
of our star receivers, LeVar Keys, is going to Indiana.
He decommitted after the firing. He's going to Indiana. Now,
I mean there they are, their recruiting lanes are wide open,
so they're able to get top recruits. That's from Maryland.
(33:47):
And and he's able to use the portal. And and
so to me and looking at what he's been able
to build, is it replicatable? Yeah, sure, it's replicatable. And
the replication comes from again, whatever your secret sauce is
(34:07):
in terms of one getting your staff to buy into
it and believe it, two being able to get you
your players to buy into it and subscribe to it,
three being able to get your recruits to be able
to buy into it, and then executing, because that's really
(34:27):
all it's been. He's put the process into play. He's
preached the gospel and that what is perceived maybe public
persona arrogance by Kirk Sittinetti, is really to me the
lifeblood of why what he's doing works. He believes so much,
so wholeheartedly, and what he brings to the table that
(34:52):
it comes across as so authentic. And now as an underdog,
you can buy into that. You can get into that.
The players can subscribe to it, buy into it, get
into it the coaching staff. So now you come out
here with this idea and this belief the same way
the coach does. You've gone through the process the same
(35:13):
way the coach has gone through it and wants you
to go through it, and then you see the results
pop up and you can't. You can't undervalue again, I
said this on prior shows. You can undervalue the amount
of I guess production you get from guys when they
(35:34):
know the coach truly believes in them. That is now
the new way Jonas. That is from twenty five on.
If you're a coach that is berating guys. If you're
a I'm not a relationship driven type of coach where
you're not building relationships with your guys, you cannot make
(35:57):
it in in this day. It's not a day and
age for you. Old school coaches cannot make it in
today's football culture.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Last four years as a head coach, two at James
Madison to at Indiana. He's forty three and six.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Eh, wild, I'm telling your shot out of a cannon. Belief.
Belief matters, bro, when you have guys that can play.
Belief matters when you have guys that are above average
that can play, and they have belief that that's a
dangerous team. Like, they're a dangerous team could possibly win
it all. I don't think they will, but they're a
(36:34):
team that could possibly win it all.
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Can't sleep on them. Can't sleep on.
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You look like you look like you had an orange
ring around from Spaghettios. Oh my god, wash your face. Patrick.
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Personally, I think it makes it. I feel like it
gives you a whole lot of person By the way,
how long does a can of Spaghettio's last?
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I wouldn't know that.
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I mean a Spaghettio dish with a really really well
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Dip, you dip the grilled cheese.
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Yeah. And you and you gotta get all in that song.
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You gotta cut your grilled cheese at an angle so
you got the points on the bread that you can.
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Dip it in.
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Like the spaghettio sauce.
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Yeah, it's like an a it's like a French dip.
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Okay, I'm doing this for lunch tomorrow.
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I will do it.
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And by the way, if anybody listening, if you have
a spaghettio or a Beeferoni in your cupboard, can you
screenshot us on Twitter? Uh the expiration date on that.
I'd love to see when that expires.
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They don't. They're non perishables. Growth that is actually sweet
made out of it. It's got there's meeting there the because.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
It's what's for dinner. It's air it's air tight, it's
air sealed. Okay, well it's a non perishable. Man, that's
like them Bana sausages and the potted meat. You remember
pott meat. Like, they're non perishables. Break out some salting
crackers and get to work. Shots out the Carolyn Kayser
(41:42):
Errington man. We used to rock them joints on them
them long road trips. We rocked them. Viviana sausages and
some potted meat.
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Dude, those Vienna sausages used to smack.
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I have a little one out of there.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
It's disgusting now though I look at them now I'm like,
how the hell was I eating them? It looked like
little fingers had fingers up in there. All right, go ahead,
go what you got man?
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All right?
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So we were talking about porch pirates earlier, guys, So
in case you missed it, actually got a little article
for us. So Washington, DC family has said that they
have received one hundred Amazon packages to their local home.
Originally and you know what, it was a mistake. It
was sent to a hotel to be delivered to some hotel,
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and they got one hundred packages to their doorstep. I
mean just littered on their whole launch.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Okay, now how's that happen? Can they like? That's how
do you know? How do you know if they kept
any of them? It's just right?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, well, like there's only twenty of them packages left,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Like they usually take a picture of every time they drop. So, hey,
what does that mean? There's porch pirates. I've done it.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
And not only footage is coming from my ring camera,
not yours. You don't have no footage? Hey, can you
provide us with some footage?
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No?
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