June 19, 2025 • 41 mins
Thursday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Tyrese Haliburton gets ready to play through the pain in Game 6 of the Finals. The new CEO for the Packers wants to see even more from the Matt LaFleur and company before handing out extension. Plus, copy cats in the world of Champions on ICYMI.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here another edition of
Black and Drack on a Thursday morning, and coming up,
we are going to tell you exactly what Tyrese Halliburton
needs to do to get himself ready to go for
a pivotal Game six in the NBA Finals. Coming up
later on tonight, We're also going to tell you what
Matt Lafleur apparently needs to do to get himself a
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contract extension in Green Bay. The Stanley Cup was dented,
it was damaged. Was there also a theft to report?
When it comes to the Stanley Cup celebration, we'll discuss that.
We will get into the very latest on shadh Or
Sanders forty one miles an hour over the speed limit.
Who's the real culprit here and why is this even
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Week we're going to hand out. We've also got the
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Speaker 2 (01:40):
Were Bat.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
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We're going to take you all the way out per
usual until nine am Eastern times, six o'clock Pacific here,
and we have got a lot to get to, including
what is most likely the end of the road for
the Indiana Pacers and their NBA Finals hopes coming up
later on tonight as it's Game six between them and
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the OKAC Thunder. So I know, LeVar, you would already
buried them earlier this week. You would put put the
dirt and bury them. They buried them.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Okay, damn when they lost that game. The way they
lost that last game, I think they buried themselves. Okay, well,
but it is back in Oka see and it is
back now, it's back in Indiana. Yeah, so at least
they get a chance to fight for Game seven at home.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah. And so the big question heading into this game
is the ADUs of one Tyrese Haliburton and whether or
not he's going to be available to play. And so
Rick Carlile, the head coach, gave a little bit of
an update on that and spoke yesterday with the media.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
He participated in all our walkthrough stuff, but it's a walkthrough,
so it's not There was no real running or moving
or thing. So we'll see where we are tomorrow. It's
a topic that people want to care about and know about,
and there's gonna be a lot of questions about it,
but we will not really know for sure until late
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tomorrow afternoon.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Or early evening.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, Rick, I mean people want to know because, I mean,
your season's on the line. He's kind of an important
member of the team and if you're hoping to win
a championship, I can't imagine they're going to be able
to do it without Tyreese. Alliburton, even though you know,
he may or may not have had the greatest series
up to this point, at least nothing close to what
he was doing earlier in the playoffs would be the feeling.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I'll say this it obviously he didn't score very many points.
He wasn't very you know, effective and efficient working through
the injury.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
So if.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
If saying that we're trying to figure out and we're
playing it, you know by air up until you know,
close to game time, which I guess assumed today is
what he was saying, that, you know, we'll.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
See where he's at with everything. It's it's probably safe
to assume that.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
With a strain, you can't be unless it's a unless,
unless it's there's a way that the trainers can tape
him up and and minimize the you know, the tension
on you know, on that leg, you know that calf,
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that lower body extremity. You know, I just don't I
don't see him being physically ready to play at as
high a level as he needs to play. So I
think it leads to a bigger question Jonas, And a
bigger question is do they have enough in their supporting
cast to be able to win this game probably and
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that well that that's ultimately that's ultimately the reason why
said it's a rap.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
If they didn't get out of that last game, knowing.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
What they have to face with with Halliburton's health moving forward,
I would I would ultimately say, you need all of
your big guns in this type of a game, and you.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Don't have them all at one hundred percent strain.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And now I would say this if Halliburton's a game
time decision saw my I Okay, I'll see whether or
not I'll take a peek if he's not going to
be a part of this whole thing, and it's not
too discredit or dismiss the Indiana Pacers, but if he's
not going to be a part of this whole thing,
I'd like to see something that would give me an
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inkling of hope that maybe we'd get a game seven.
That's what I'd like to see. But instead, it feels
like their real opportunity, as we've laid out, was in
game five they had their chance, they had the lead,
all of a sudden, the lead get away from them,
and or in game four, rather they could have gone
up three to one, lead got away from them, and
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then they come back to Okay See for Game five
and we saw what happen. It just feels like, hey,
we had a chance, we had Indiana had a lead
in the series. They had an opportunity to make a
run in this series and actually win a championship. And
now you're seeing why the layer upon layer that Oka
See throws at you that makes them that difficult, that
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much more difficult of a matchup, especially for Indiana if
they're down Halliburton.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
That's what it's been a value and effort, you know,
it's I don't think the Pacers have anything to be
hanging their heads about. They made a nice run. They've
put the NBA world on notice that they're a possible contender.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I don't know if.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
This was a one year deal or if they can
maintain it, but nonetheless, it seems as though people speak
highly of them out of the East, and you know,
they just ran into a.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Really, really good OKC team and had a little bit of.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Luck against them, And I think that that's you know,
when you look at it in the grand scheme of things,
it's not over. If they can force a Game seven,
I think it becomes one of those things where you're
like dang, maybe I should have watched, you know, all
the game six to see what it was all about,
so you could have a firmer feeling of what Game
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seven will be. And that's to me, maybe that's how
you have to approach. You know, what's taking place right
now is that you have a team, they have the
odds stacked up against them, and if they can some way,
somehow come out and find a way, which that's what
sports is all about. That's why you're supposed to watch
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the games, is if they have a chance to They
do have a chance, because you got to play the game.
But if they have a chance to get to a
Game seven and possibly get Haliburton a little bit more
healthy and further away from the strain. You know, who
knows one game, one game series, one game deal winner
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takes all. I think that becomes a very interesting situation
if they can pull it off, Probably not going to happen,
but see, it's why you watch sports.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Though, Tyrese Haliburton. He did talk about the scenario and
how this might play out coming up later on tonight,
and here he was.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
How smart do you have to be, I guess in
this situation or are you not even thinking in those
terms at this point.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Well, I think it depends on who you ask. I
mean you're asking me, so uh. I think I have
to be as smart as I as I want to
be able to understand the risks. That's the right questions.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Not I'm a competitor. I want to play.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I'm gonna do everything about power to play, and uh
gosh is what it is.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Now. This does bring up an interesting question when it
comes to exactly what Tyrese Haliburton will look like when
we get to Game six coming up later on tonight,
and how this can be remedied. You have spoke glowingly
about the uh, the well, the uh.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
You want to set it up the captain of the ship.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, the well, no, the the nectar of the gods.
All right, is this a tordal situation that we could
be looking at? Are they going to roll out a
needle the size of a javelin that you would see
at the Olympic qualifying events, filled with toward all to
gas his leg up and will him into that starting lineup?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Will ye? Man? Literally? I mean figurative.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Like like will not wheel? But if they got to
wheel them in, that'll work.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Oh, I got you. I just figured out play off
of your words right there. It's definitely a nectar situation. Okay,
he's definitely going to get that pop in the butt
or the arm.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Now, how many?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Now?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
How many shots? How many shots.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
You're gonna get popped in the buttered arm?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
How many shots do you do? Does an injury like
this take? I mean, is it just one?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
How many? It's just one before the game?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And how long before the game to know that you're
ready to go? Because if the games, you know, tipping
off is ninety minutes before the game. To feel better,
he's got to go through warm ups, I'm assuming correct,
to try and test everything else. Yes, yes, and so
you do it after warm ups. It's just part of
your pregame, your pregame deal. Like once you got all
your clothes on and you're ready to go, some guys
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like to go in a little bit earlier. You got
to keep in mind that thing lasts for a while,
that that nectar that's running through your body and through
your veins and makes you feel like you can jump
off the top of a building and actually fly, run
as fast as the flash, you know, be as strong
as the Hulk. It lasts for a while, it'll last
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beyond him playing in the game, and then when it
wears off, it's like, oh s, I'm normal. Oh I
still have a leg.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
And wow, boy do I feel bad. But in that
moment he'll be okay. I think it's going to have
to be again. It's going to be the stretches that
he does. It's going to be the stem they're probably
doing twenty four hours still on him. You know, I
wonder if they're grasping grasping grass. It's the technique where
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you take the blunt metal object and you just scrape
that bad boy. It'd be interesting to see if he
has a bruised lag or if he has it covered
up with the.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
With a sleeve.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Compression sleeve sometimes help. You know, they're going to have
to pull out all the stops to try to make
sure that he can do it. But I mean, does
that shot help?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Hell?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, So let's let's work this out. Eight thirty tip.
All right, So eight thirty Eastern time tip for the
NBA Finals for Game six coming up later on tonight, which,
by the way, the Yoklahoma City Thunder a six point
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Eastern time, TIP, so about six thirty two hours before TIP.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I don't remember. What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
How do I remember the specific the Pacific specific sequence?
When they put a need on my ass, we make
sure I was okay to play the game? Sorry, just
by something that committed to memory.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well, listen, I did I need them near the ass?
Seems like it would last leave a lasting.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Something else near my ass would leave a memory. I'm
just being honest. I don't remember. I just know it
was before the game, don't I know. I know I
was pulling down my game pants.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I didn't need the I didn't look. I don't I
don't need any more details. We already sailed the freaking
out earlier.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
The game kicks off at one.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Okay, I got into the locker room at eleven thirty am.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I'm to the rest room.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I'm not looking for material for later on. Okay, I'm pulling.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Down my pants. Then I pulled down my boxer sho.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
We're simply asking, and then does it last? Does it
last six hours? Because if it lasts six hours, does
it last five hours? I'm just wondering when people are
getting ready for this game at six thirty Eastern time,
and they're wondering, Hey, I wonder what the Pacers are
doing to get ready for this pivotal you know, winner,
go home situation. If Tyrese Halliburton is getting shot up
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through the gills.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I would say this with captain.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
What the captain t Captain Tortal because he's the captain now,
all right, Tortosa, Tortole is the one that's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
The MVP of the series. Tortle.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
By the way, Tortos syringe out to plus eight fifty
on draftings.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I'll say this, The wise and the prudent approach to
what you're speaking of is they're going to just like
in football, they're going to take him out onto the
court and they are going to do a warm up
and a routine that will stress his body out where
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they know if he can play the game, and what
you know, what is the pain level, what is his
his ability level? All those things, because that has to
be the standard protocol for game plan purposes. Right Like,
if Halliburton is is moving better than what they anticipated
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or hoped, then now that plays a part in how
they're going to you know, align their lineup and what
they may be planning on doing in terms of amounts
of minutes can he make it you know, thirty four
plus minutes in this game with his leg feeling like
that and knowing that this is the last game if
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they don't win, what does that look like? You know,
you can't save it for tomorrow because if you lose tonight,
it's over.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
But if you were to win it some.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Way somehow, and Halliburton played a major role in that, Jonas,
then now you got to think about did that was
it good that he made it through or did it
make things matters a little worse? Because sometimes it's just time.
It's only time that can really you know, especially with
ligament strains. You know those types of deals like quadriceps,
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uh strains, hamstrings. They're tricky injuries, man, They're very tricky injuries.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So a lot of it has to do with his
pain tolerance as.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Well and what what his mobility is going to be.
So a strain in a strain in the calf, right, yeah, yeah,
it's you know, I've never had a strained calf muscle before.
I have had a hamstring and a quad before, and
it was fully sprained.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
If it was super serious, serious serious.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
He wouldn't even been able to play, you know, he
wouldn't even been able to play through it the last game.
So it must not be so bad where they're having
the conversation that gives me the indicator that he's probably
going to play. He's not going to be out one
hundred percent, but they're going to have to figure out
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what that is a pre game. So if you're asking
definitively when they're going to pop him in the butt,
it's probably going to be with enough time for him
to go out and do a pre warm up exercise,
you know, session to see what it is that he's
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capable of doing, so that they can fix what it
is that they thinking they're going to do.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I mean, if we can't take any chances here, I
say they do it before the game, and then I
say they do it at halftime, so that way, by
the start of the fourth quarter he can literally remove
the leg from his body and beat somebody over the
head with it like that. If this is what it
takes to get you an NBA Finals, an NBA Championship
in Indiana, you need to make the move right. You
need to pull out all stops for this. It is
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you. So we
are going to have the usuals coming up later on,
We've got another edition of He She Missed It. We're
also going to hand out an award an hour two
of the program. Albert Breer, our NFL Insider is going
to stop by in our three and we'll close up
shop with Lee's leftovers. All of it is yours here
on this three hour extravaganza coming up next here, though,
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apparently somebody who's already done a lot in the NFL
has to do a little bit more if they want
to get paid. We'll explain right here on FSR.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here coming up, and
we'll call it about twenty minutes from now. We are
going to have ourselves a little discussion about I don't
know a copycat situation in the world of sports, something
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of a copycat situation that'll be yours here on Fox
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just want to ask ask a question here and I'll
lay it out to you. This is not anything that's immediate.
It's not anything that you look at and go, oh, well,
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it's got to get done right now. But it is
interesting considering some of the commentaries, some of the quotes
from the people in Green Bay and by people in
Green Bay. I talk about the guy who's now going
to be running the show there soon to be team
President ed policy, who spoke about his philosophy on contract
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extensions for head coaches, and basically, to sum it up,
he looked at Matt Lafleur and Brian Gudakunz to have
two years left on their deal and said, yeah, you know,
we're not quite ready to give them the contract extension yet.
But I would say not all the time. I'm generally
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opposed to guys going into a lame duck situation. Well,
if that's the case, then this is a big year.
Because if you don't want anybody going into a lame
duck situation, then what you're saying is this conversation next
year is a bigger deal because I'd like to get
that done before they go into the final year of
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their contracts. And I'm gonna ask the question, which I
think maybe people listening in Wisconsin right now are probably
kind of wondering as well too, what else would Matt
Lafleur and Brian Gudakun's need to do to garner that extension,
because if you ask me, they've been fantastic, especially over
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the past few years, and this has not been an
easy transition for them. You walked away from Rogers after
being criticized for the move to go out and draft
at Jordan Love, You've gone to NFC title games, You've
been to the playoffs. As far as record wise, there's
only three teams who have had a better record since
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Matt Lafleor has taken over there in the NFL. That
would be the Ravens, Bills, and Chiefs. All of those
teams are AFC teams. So in the NFC alone, the
Packers have had the best record since Matt Lafleur got there.
And yet ed policy Or is sitting there talking about, well,
you know, we'd like to see maybe a little bit
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more from them, if what he's saying is true that
I don't want them going into a lame duck situation.
I'm just not ready to give them a contract. Yet,
Why wouldn't you, why would you even let this be
a conversation next year, because even if they did have
a down year for whatever reason, I still think they've
warranted a contract extension, both of those guys.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I think it's a valid question and it's a valid
angle to take on the situation. I think that you're
right and and and looking at it from the standpoint
of they have gotten results with with being in the
positions that they've been in.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I think there are generally.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Specific situations where certain things apply. Like you use the
term lame duck coach or even lame duck, you know, GM,
I don't think that they're lame ducks if they.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Don't get the extension.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I think that it becomes more pressure on the person
that didn't make that decision, you know what I mean?
Like that you're you're now talking about you know, this
is not an owner ran organization. It's owned by the fans,
and so even policy has people that he has to
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answer to. I believe there's a board or whatever it
is that you know, he has to answer to. I
think this puts more pressure on the decision makers who
who do the contract extensions or due to new contracts,
whatever it is that they how they do it, and
I think that that becomes the main conversation. And so
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while while you'll say, well, if he's saying he wants
to see more, then I just take it at face value,
jonas they want us, he wants to see more and
whatever it could be in context. It could be I
want to see more as in just more games being played.
It might not just be I want to see more
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as in I need to see them win a super Bowl.
It just might be I just want to see more
before I make the decision, the final decision. It could
be basing the value not so much am I going
to do the contract?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It could be how much do I want.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
To pay for the contract contracts that that are involved.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I mean, they've been to the playoffs every year except
for one under Matt Lafleur. And if say this year
there's an injury to quarterback god forbid, or they you know,
run up with just bad injury luck, stuff that's outside
of their control, and say they have a down year
and for Matt la or a down year is eight
and nine. That's what he did a couple of years ago.
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Now you go into next season, like, why would this
even need to be a conversation because I think then
the question would become, well, why are you giving him
a contract extension? Now, why didn't you just do it
the previous year? And again, this is not like it's
time sensitive. It's not like, well, you know, they have
to get it done. It's just interesting to hear him
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make the comment that I don't generally like people going
into lame duck situations. I think, you know, going into
that final year, we kind of have an understanding where
the relationship is at. Well, no, you should have an
understanding where the relationship and the work is at based
on the work that they've already done. Like Taven, they've
done a hell of a job taking over in a
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difficult spot with a quarterback change. Part of like Matt
Lafleur has proven his worth that hey, this isn't a
lot of the discussion about Lafleur when he got the
job was well can he do it without Aaron Rodgers? Okay,
like he has. I mean, yeah, they won a super Bowl. No,
they haven't won a super Bowl. But if you're grading
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on that scale, well, if you want your contract extension,
you're gonna have to win a super Bowl. There's thirty
one dudes at the end of the year that are like, oh,
I guess I'm not getting a contract extension. It just
it feels it feels like you're setting this up to
be a bigger discussion next year, when you could just
squash it and get it done with now because he's
already earned it.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
It just seems like that would be the simple, sensible
way of approaching it. But you just never know the
what and the why for certain things that take place.
It could just be as simple as they want to Wait,
it could be very simple like no no hidding, uh,
you know, hitting agendas or anything like that, no secret operations.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
It just they they mean what they say.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
It could be they're trying to set a tone, and
you know, coach sure is something that is a really
big deal, you know, in all things that take place.
So I don't know, maybe they're setting a tone for
the players, you know, don't approach us about extensions and
stuff like that. We don't even do it for our
GM and for our head coach, don't. I don't really
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know what the purpose is. I just know you're right.
They continue to get results. They have been considered to
be a competitive team. It didn't end the way that
they would have liked for it to end it. Last
year seemed like there was a bit of a drop off.
But this team this year, with the personnel that they have,
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there really should be no reason why they're not right
in the thick of it coming out of the NFC.
And I mean for a super Bowl challenge, to get
to the super Bowl, that's how good I think this
Green Bay Packers team, you know, can be going into
this season. So you know, they have put together a
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really really fine and just maybe they're looking at it like,
look at what you have on this roster, My guy,
My guys, you need to show that what we got
going on here with this personnel, you.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Can drive this car.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Now, what direction do you go in if you go
away from Lafleur after he's done what he's done. It
comes back to my original point Jonas that I'll lean
into is that that puts more pressure on the decision
makers who didn't make the move to keep the GM
or to keep the head coach because they were getting
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positive getting positive results.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
That divisions, in my mind, one of the more interesting
in the NFL, just based on the fact that I
have no idea really what to expect because I could
see a world where Detroit runs it back because they
are so talent, But then again, you lose both your coordinators.
We know how this league works. Like they had a
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lot of things land in their favor last year. You
can't really expect that to happen two years in a row.
Last year felt like their year. They could be set
up for a down year. Minnesota is putting all their faith,
as we laid out earlier this week in JJ McCarthy,
who's in essence a rookie, he's never played before, and
they feel like, yeah, that's why we just said no
(29:28):
to Aaron Rodgers, That's why we're going this direction, because
it was Jeremy Fowler reported. They've got this three year
super Bowl plan. The Bears have added a bunch of
talent to help Caleb Williams. Ben Johnson's a newcomer there,
and then you've got the Packers and it's almost like,
I have you could set any order other than maybe
the Bears winning the division and after that, but you
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could set any order in that division before the year,
and I would buy into and could see those scenarios
play out. In the NFC North, it's just a yearly
really wild division to try and project going in the
next season.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
It'll be a fun it'll be a fun division to
watch and to track. What direction is Minnesota, you know,
trending in It's it's hard, Like you said, it's kind
of hard to pinpoint what you think they'll be. I
think we'll probably find out pretty quickly what type of
team they'll look like. I wonder if we'll be able
(30:25):
to get an idea of it in preseason. Probably really
hard to do. But it'll be interesting to see how
much they play McCarthy to get him reps, impactful reps
before they get to the regular season. I think what
Sam Darnold did this past season puts a lot of
pressure on JJ McCarthy to come out of the gate swinging,
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swinging big, and you know, people are gonna want to
know what that looks like. And when you look at
the other teams, people are, like you mentioned, like that,
there's there's some relative unknowns with Chicago and what they're
going to do, but a lot of people are excited
about the you know, the coaching higher that they made
and what that could mean for the future. But again,
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you know, the way Caleb Williams talked about how things
were done and a lack of attention to him knowing
what you know, he needed to do, and you know,
the development that he was was seeking wasn't there this
this past season. I think that puts a lot of
pressure on him, and it puts a lot of pressure
on this coaching staff because if he doesn't have a
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good year, which he didn't have a bad year this year,
just I just think the expectations are so high that
and and then to see the comp and what jayde
Daniels did in his rookie year and what you know,
obviously Stroud did.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
In his year prior to his rookie year.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I think that people had high expectations for Caleb Williams
to be something more than what he ended up being.
But I don't think that he's not on schedule to
be superstar franchise quarterback in this league.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
But it is still a conversation to be had.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
So and then you look at losing all of your
coordinators and Detroit, what does that look like? But they
get Hutchinson back, which is a big get. I think
that they're they're still poised to have a good year.
I think it's going to be pretty competitive but as
you mentioned, I do believe that this is a pivotal
year for a team like Green Bay because of the
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amount of talent that they have on the team, you know,
And that's that's the ultimately the reality that that Matt
lafleur and and goun Kunz is facing going into this season.
You have no reason, with all of the questions surrounding
your division to come out on top of your division.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
You know what's uh And you pointed this out before,
but this it bears repeating because people probably take whatever
the narrative or the optics are and run with that
as opposed to the actual numbers. Killb Williams didn't have
a bad year. I mean, if you just go back
and look through and look through the numbers, you could
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argue he had a better year than Jordan Love, he
had a better year than Jalen Hurts. Again, these are
just numbers. We're just looking at numbers. But it's funny how,
just based on the presentation of the chaos that was
the Bears last year, how people just assume all another
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number one pick who didn't pan out, or another high
drafted quarterback who didn't pan out. It's like that's one
to look at and go, all right, well, if he
was able to do that and operate in that circus tent,
what could he do potentially in this one this year
when things are a little bit more buttoned up and
there's actual protection on the offensive line and all that.
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It's just it's funny when you bring that up, how
people look at the storyline as opposed to the actual
numbers and watch game by game to see what actually
was going on last year in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I mean, I just think it still raises the stakes
that he blamed, you know, and he took, Like, make
no mistake about Caleb Williams took a lot of the
blame on his own shoulders. So let's not act as
though he was brushing off the responsibility of taking taking
the weight of why the team didn't do better than
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what it did. But he did raise some points that
basically would lean towards the side of why the hell
would you do that when you had that type of
a talent, Why would you allow for him to feel
that way when he's your number one draft pick and
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what people had such high expectations and high hopes for
coming into it. It seems as though you didn't like
your job very much as a head coach. If that's
how you let things get handled.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
It's the Bears. Well maybe that's a simple explanation, which
is crazy.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It's just crazy to think at the pro level, and
we talk about how hard guys fight to get coaching
jobs and how many worthy, you know, prospects are out there.
Then people get into the whole inclusion deal and stuff
like that. There's all kinds of different conversations, but it
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is so competitive. There's only thirty two of those positions
out there. So to think that one of those thirty two,
you had the number one overall draft pick, a former
Heisman Trophy winner, a very very gifted and talented player
coming into your organization, and you left all of that
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on the table in terms of how you prepared him,
how you trained him, and what his knowledge level of
what it was going to look like and be like
going into these games at the pro level.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's kind of a hit scratcher.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, it is two pros and a cup of Joe
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Speaker 7 (37:26):
In case you miss this, I think we've seen this
all before. The Stanley Cup has been dented and bruised,
according to reports in the wee hours of the morning
following the Panthers win the other night.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Uh yeah, you can see pictures of it.
Speaker 7 (37:40):
The rim of the bowl of the Stanley Cup has
been cracked open. I don't know if this happened at
Elbow Bar where they were partying and Fort Lauderdale following
the following the wind and also the base has been
dented pretty pretty darly. But they say they're going to
repair the Stanley Cup before the parade on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Now, did you guys see that they were pouring beer
in the Stanley Cup and then pouring it over the
ledge at Is it elbow room or Elbow Bar elbow Bar?
Speaker 7 (38:08):
I'm sorry, okay, well, well I always thought it was
Elbow Room, but it says elbo Bar in this report
that I'm reading, Well.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
It's probably a nerd who doesn't drink. It's probably who
wrote the report. But they were putting beer in the
Stanley Cup and then dipping it over the balcony for
the people outside, which if we're being fair here and
again not to criticize, but we're just we got to
tell the actual true story here. That was stolen from
the two thousand and nine Pittsburgh Penguins. That was stolen
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a clear theft and a borderline violation because it was
the Penguins at Mario's South Side Saloon who did that
after they won the Cup over there on Carson Street
bar where they poured booze in the Stanley Cup and
then we're dumping it over the balcony. Clearly the Florida
Panthers have stolen that, and I hope that the two
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thousand and nine Stanley Cup champion Pittsburgh Penguins get the
credit they deserve.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Well, I think it's a fun conversation to have to see,
how you know, certain trophies are from the sport to
sport are are used once they're won. I mean, only
one team gets the chance to hold on to it
and play with it. And mess around with it and
pass it around. I mean, you know, they were passing
the Lombardi Trophy from boat the boat at one point
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in time in football. So I mean, you know, you
just when you're happy about winning it all, which is
something that I can only imagine is one of the
greatest feelings of all time. I mean, hey, sometimes there
are casualties of the spoils that are are reaped by
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the winner, the victor, and sometimes it's the trophy that's
involved in the casualties.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I mean, it just is what it is.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
There is no shot in how oh that that thing
is clean enough to either eat out of or drink
out of I mean drinking, I mean drinking out of it.
I can I there's alcohol.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Germs live, and can germs live in championship areas?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Though?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Like can can germs and bacteria exist on something that
is such an amazing you know, a piece of accomplishment?
Speaker 5 (40:30):
You know?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
That's that would be the question.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I mean, look, it's it's like when.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
You see those are championship general.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
It's like when you see them clean the clean a
table that you that you're sitting down at, and like, oh,
let me wipe that off for you, and they pull
out this dirty wash rag to clean the table at
the restaurant. Did you just covered up a bums wound
in the parking lot with that, and you're going to
clean my table with it. I'm supposed to have tater
tots on this thing. With all all that crap on it,
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it just feels like it's never gonna get cleaned.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I don't know. I'm gonna drink them garms. Dang
Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
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we are going to tell you exactly what Tyrese Halliburton
needs to do to get himself ready to go for
a pivotal Game six in the NBA Finals. Coming up
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Matt Lafleur apparently needs to do to get himself a
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We're going to take you all the way out per
usual until nine am Eastern times, six o'clock Pacific here,
and we have got a lot to get to, including
what is most likely the end of the road for
the Indiana Pacers and their NBA Finals hopes coming up
later on tonight as it's Game six between them and
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the OKAC Thunder. So I know, LeVar, you would already
buried them earlier this week. You would put put the
dirt and bury them. They buried them.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Okay, damn when they lost that game. The way they
lost that last game, I think they buried themselves. Okay, well,
but it is back in Oka see and it is
back now, it's back in Indiana. Yeah, so at least
they get a chance to fight for Game seven at home.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah. And so the big question heading into this game
is the ADUs of one Tyrese Haliburton and whether or
not he's going to be available to play. And so
Rick Carlile, the head coach, gave a little bit of
an update on that and spoke yesterday with the media.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
He participated in all our walkthrough stuff, but it's a walkthrough,
so it's not There was no real running or moving
or thing. So we'll see where we are tomorrow. It's
a topic that people want to care about and know about,
and there's gonna be a lot of questions about it,
but we will not really know for sure until late
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tomorrow afternoon.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Or early evening.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, Rick, I mean people want to know because, I mean,
your season's on the line. He's kind of an important
member of the team and if you're hoping to win
a championship, I can't imagine they're going to be able
to do it without Tyreese. Alliburton, even though you know,
he may or may not have had the greatest series
up to this point, at least nothing close to what
he was doing earlier in the playoffs would be the feeling.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I'll say this it obviously he didn't score very many points.
He wasn't very you know, effective and efficient working through
the injury.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
So if.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
If saying that we're trying to figure out and we're
playing it, you know by air up until you know,
close to game time, which I guess assumed today is
what he was saying, that, you know, we'll.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
See where he's at with everything. It's it's probably safe
to assume that.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
With a strain, you can't be unless it's a unless,
unless it's there's a way that the trainers can tape
him up and and minimize the you know, the tension
on you know, on that leg, you know that calf,
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that lower body extremity. You know, I just don't I
don't see him being physically ready to play at as
high a level as he needs to play. So I
think it leads to a bigger question Jonas, And a
bigger question is do they have enough in their supporting
cast to be able to win this game probably and
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that well that that's ultimately that's ultimately the reason why
said it's a rap.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
If they didn't get out of that last game, knowing.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
What they have to face with with Halliburton's health moving forward,
I would I would ultimately say, you need all of
your big guns in this type of a game, and you.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Don't have them all at one hundred percent strain.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And now I would say this if Halliburton's a game
time decision saw my I Okay, I'll see whether or
not I'll take a peek if he's not going to
be a part of this whole thing, and it's not
too discredit or dismiss the Indiana Pacers, but if he's
not going to be a part of this whole thing,
I'd like to see something that would give me an
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inkling of hope that maybe we'd get a game seven.
That's what I'd like to see. But instead, it feels
like their real opportunity, as we've laid out, was in
game five they had their chance, they had the lead,
all of a sudden, the lead get away from them,
and or in game four, rather they could have gone
up three to one, lead got away from them, and
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then they come back to Okay See for Game five
and we saw what happen. It just feels like, hey,
we had a chance, we had Indiana had a lead
in the series. They had an opportunity to make a
run in this series and actually win a championship. And
now you're seeing why the layer upon layer that Oka
See throws at you that makes them that difficult, that
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much more difficult of a matchup, especially for Indiana if
they're down Halliburton.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
That's what it's been a value and effort, you know,
it's I don't think the Pacers have anything to be
hanging their heads about. They made a nice run. They've
put the NBA world on notice that they're a possible contender.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I don't know if.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
This was a one year deal or if they can
maintain it, but nonetheless, it seems as though people speak
highly of them out of the East, and you know,
they just ran into a.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Really, really good OKC team and had a little bit of.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Luck against them, And I think that that's you know,
when you look at it in the grand scheme of things,
it's not over. If they can force a Game seven,
I think it becomes one of those things where you're
like dang, maybe I should have watched, you know, all
the game six to see what it was all about,
so you could have a firmer feeling of what Game
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seven will be. And that's to me, maybe that's how
you have to approach. You know, what's taking place right
now is that you have a team, they have the
odds stacked up against them, and if they can some way,
somehow come out and find a way, which that's what
sports is all about. That's why you're supposed to watch
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the games, is if they have a chance to They
do have a chance, because you got to play the game.
But if they have a chance to get to a
Game seven and possibly get Haliburton a little bit more
healthy and further away from the strain. You know, who
knows one game, one game series, one game deal winner
(08:31):
takes all. I think that becomes a very interesting situation
if they can pull it off, Probably not going to happen,
but see, it's why you watch sports.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Though, Tyrese Haliburton. He did talk about the scenario and
how this might play out coming up later on tonight,
and here he was.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
How smart do you have to be, I guess in
this situation or are you not even thinking in those
terms at this point.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Well, I think it depends on who you ask. I
mean you're asking me, so uh. I think I have
to be as smart as I as I want to
be able to understand the risks. That's the right questions.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Not I'm a competitor. I want to play.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I'm gonna do everything about power to play, and uh
gosh is what it is.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Now. This does bring up an interesting question when it
comes to exactly what Tyrese Haliburton will look like when
we get to Game six coming up later on tonight,
and how this can be remedied. You have spoke glowingly
about the uh, the well, the uh.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
You want to set it up the captain of the ship.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, the well, no, the the nectar of the gods.
All right, is this a tordal situation that we could
be looking at? Are they going to roll out a
needle the size of a javelin that you would see
at the Olympic qualifying events, filled with toward all to
gas his leg up and will him into that starting lineup?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Will ye? Man? Literally? I mean figurative.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Like like will not wheel? But if they got to
wheel them in, that'll work.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Oh, I got you. I just figured out play off
of your words right there. It's definitely a nectar situation. Okay,
he's definitely going to get that pop in the butt
or the arm.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Now, how many?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Now?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
How many shots? How many shots.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
You're gonna get popped in the buttered arm?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
How many shots do you do? Does an injury like
this take? I mean, is it just one?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
How many? It's just one before the game?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And how long before the game to know that you're
ready to go? Because if the games, you know, tipping
off is ninety minutes before the game. To feel better,
he's got to go through warm ups, I'm assuming correct,
to try and test everything else. Yes, yes, and so
you do it after warm ups. It's just part of
your pregame, your pregame deal. Like once you got all
your clothes on and you're ready to go, some guys
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like to go in a little bit earlier. You got
to keep in mind that thing lasts for a while,
that that nectar that's running through your body and through
your veins and makes you feel like you can jump
off the top of a building and actually fly, run
as fast as the flash, you know, be as strong
as the Hulk. It lasts for a while, it'll last
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beyond him playing in the game, and then when it
wears off, it's like, oh s, I'm normal. Oh I
still have a leg.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
And wow, boy do I feel bad. But in that
moment he'll be okay. I think it's going to have
to be again. It's going to be the stretches that
he does. It's going to be the stem they're probably
doing twenty four hours still on him. You know, I
wonder if they're grasping grasping grass. It's the technique where
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you take the blunt metal object and you just scrape
that bad boy. It'd be interesting to see if he
has a bruised lag or if he has it covered
up with the.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
With a sleeve.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Compression sleeve sometimes help. You know, they're going to have
to pull out all the stops to try to make
sure that he can do it. But I mean, does
that shot help?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Hell?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, So let's let's work this out. Eight thirty tip.
All right, So eight thirty Eastern time tip for the
NBA Finals for Game six coming up later on tonight, which,
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Speaker 2 (12:39):
I don't remember. What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
How do I remember the specific the Pacific specific sequence?
When they put a need on my ass, we make
sure I was okay to play the game? Sorry, just
by something that committed to memory.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well, listen, I did I need them near the ass?
Seems like it would last leave a lasting.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Something else near my ass would leave a memory. I'm
just being honest. I don't remember. I just know it
was before the game, don't I know. I know I
was pulling down my game pants.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I didn't need the I didn't look. I don't I
don't need any more details. We already sailed the freaking
out earlier.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
The game kicks off at one.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Okay, I got into the locker room at eleven thirty am.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I'm to the rest room.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I'm not looking for material for later on. Okay, I'm pulling.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Down my pants. Then I pulled down my boxer sho.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
We're simply asking, and then does it last? Does it
last six hours? Because if it lasts six hours, does
it last five hours? I'm just wondering when people are
getting ready for this game at six thirty Eastern time,
and they're wondering, Hey, I wonder what the Pacers are
doing to get ready for this pivotal you know, winner,
go home situation. If Tyrese Halliburton is getting shot up
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through the gills.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I would say this with captain.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
What the captain t Captain Tortal because he's the captain now,
all right, Tortosa, Tortole is the one that's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
The MVP of the series. Tortle.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
By the way, Tortos syringe out to plus eight fifty
on draftings.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I'll say this, The wise and the prudent approach to
what you're speaking of is they're going to just like
in football, they're going to take him out onto the
court and they are going to do a warm up
and a routine that will stress his body out where
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they know if he can play the game, and what
you know, what is the pain level, what is his
his ability level? All those things, because that has to
be the standard protocol for game plan purposes. Right Like,
if Halliburton is is moving better than what they anticipated
(15:09):
or hoped, then now that plays a part in how
they're going to you know, align their lineup and what
they may be planning on doing in terms of amounts
of minutes can he make it you know, thirty four
plus minutes in this game with his leg feeling like
that and knowing that this is the last game if
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they don't win, what does that look like? You know,
you can't save it for tomorrow because if you lose tonight,
it's over.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
But if you were to win it some.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Way somehow, and Halliburton played a major role in that, Jonas,
then now you got to think about did that was
it good that he made it through or did it
make things matters a little worse? Because sometimes it's just time.
It's only time that can really you know, especially with
ligament strains. You know those types of deals like quadriceps,
(16:06):
uh strains, hamstrings. They're tricky injuries, man, They're very tricky injuries.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So a lot of it has to do with his
pain tolerance as.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Well and what what his mobility is going to be.
So a strain in a strain in the calf, right, yeah, yeah,
it's you know, I've never had a strained calf muscle before.
I have had a hamstring and a quad before, and
it was fully sprained.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
If it was super serious, serious serious.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
He wouldn't even been able to play, you know, he
wouldn't even been able to play through it the last game.
So it must not be so bad where they're having
the conversation that gives me the indicator that he's probably
going to play. He's not going to be out one
hundred percent, but they're going to have to figure out
(17:06):
what that is a pre game. So if you're asking
definitively when they're going to pop him in the butt,
it's probably going to be with enough time for him
to go out and do a pre warm up exercise,
you know, session to see what it is that he's
(17:27):
capable of doing, so that they can fix what it
is that they thinking they're going to do.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I mean, if we can't take any chances here, I
say they do it before the game, and then I
say they do it at halftime, so that way, by
the start of the fourth quarter he can literally remove
the leg from his body and beat somebody over the
head with it like that. If this is what it
takes to get you an NBA Finals, an NBA Championship
in Indiana, you need to make the move right. You
need to pull out all stops for this. It is
(17:53):
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apparently somebody who's already done a lot in the NFL
has to do a little bit more if they want
to get paid. We'll explain right here on FSR.
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Speaker 1 (18:38):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here coming up, and
we'll call it about twenty minutes from now. We are
going to have ourselves a little discussion about I don't
know a copycat situation in the world of sports, something
(18:59):
near and dear to the show. Maybe a little bit
of a copycat situation that'll be yours here on Fox
Sports Radio. Before we get to this story in the
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just want to ask ask a question here and I'll
lay it out to you. This is not anything that's immediate.
It's not anything that you look at and go, oh, well,
(20:12):
it's got to get done right now. But it is
interesting considering some of the commentaries, some of the quotes
from the people in Green Bay and by people in
Green Bay. I talk about the guy who's now going
to be running the show there soon to be team
President ed policy, who spoke about his philosophy on contract
(20:35):
extensions for head coaches, and basically, to sum it up,
he looked at Matt Lafleur and Brian Gudakunz to have
two years left on their deal and said, yeah, you know,
we're not quite ready to give them the contract extension yet.
But I would say not all the time. I'm generally
(20:55):
opposed to guys going into a lame duck situation. Well,
if that's the case, then this is a big year.
Because if you don't want anybody going into a lame
duck situation, then what you're saying is this conversation next
year is a bigger deal because I'd like to get
that done before they go into the final year of
(21:17):
their contracts. And I'm gonna ask the question, which I
think maybe people listening in Wisconsin right now are probably
kind of wondering as well too, what else would Matt
Lafleur and Brian Gudakun's need to do to garner that extension,
because if you ask me, they've been fantastic, especially over
(21:38):
the past few years, and this has not been an
easy transition for them. You walked away from Rogers after
being criticized for the move to go out and draft
at Jordan Love, You've gone to NFC title games, You've
been to the playoffs. As far as record wise, there's
only three teams who have had a better record since
(21:59):
Matt Lafleor has taken over there in the NFL. That
would be the Ravens, Bills, and Chiefs. All of those
teams are AFC teams. So in the NFC alone, the
Packers have had the best record since Matt Lafleur got there.
And yet ed policy Or is sitting there talking about, well,
you know, we'd like to see maybe a little bit
(22:19):
more from them, if what he's saying is true that
I don't want them going into a lame duck situation.
I'm just not ready to give them a contract. Yet,
Why wouldn't you, why would you even let this be
a conversation next year, because even if they did have
a down year for whatever reason, I still think they've
warranted a contract extension, both of those guys.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I think it's a valid question and it's a valid
angle to take on the situation. I think that you're
right and and and looking at it from the standpoint
of they have gotten results with with being in the
positions that they've been in.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I think there are generally.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Specific situations where certain things apply. Like you use the
term lame duck coach or even lame duck, you know, GM,
I don't think that they're lame ducks if they.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Don't get the extension.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I think that it becomes more pressure on the person
that didn't make that decision, you know what I mean?
Like that you're you're now talking about you know, this
is not an owner ran organization. It's owned by the fans,
and so even policy has people that he has to
(23:37):
answer to. I believe there's a board or whatever it
is that you know, he has to answer to. I
think this puts more pressure on the decision makers who
who do the contract extensions or due to new contracts,
whatever it is that they how they do it, and
I think that that becomes the main conversation. And so
(23:58):
while while you'll say, well, if he's saying he wants
to see more, then I just take it at face value,
jonas they want us, he wants to see more and
whatever it could be in context. It could be I
want to see more as in just more games being played.
It might not just be I want to see more
(24:19):
as in I need to see them win a super Bowl.
It just might be I just want to see more
before I make the decision, the final decision. It could
be basing the value not so much am I going
to do the contract?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It could be how much do I want.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
To pay for the contract contracts that that are involved.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I mean, they've been to the playoffs every year except
for one under Matt Lafleur. And if say this year
there's an injury to quarterback god forbid, or they you know,
run up with just bad injury luck, stuff that's outside
of their control, and say they have a down year
and for Matt la or a down year is eight
and nine. That's what he did a couple of years ago.
(25:05):
Now you go into next season, like, why would this
even need to be a conversation because I think then
the question would become, well, why are you giving him
a contract extension? Now, why didn't you just do it
the previous year? And again, this is not like it's
time sensitive. It's not like, well, you know, they have
to get it done. It's just interesting to hear him
(25:26):
make the comment that I don't generally like people going
into lame duck situations. I think, you know, going into
that final year, we kind of have an understanding where
the relationship is at. Well, no, you should have an
understanding where the relationship and the work is at based
on the work that they've already done. Like Taven, they've
done a hell of a job taking over in a
(25:46):
difficult spot with a quarterback change. Part of like Matt
Lafleur has proven his worth that hey, this isn't a
lot of the discussion about Lafleur when he got the
job was well can he do it without Aaron Rodgers? Okay,
like he has. I mean, yeah, they won a super Bowl. No,
they haven't won a super Bowl. But if you're grading
(26:07):
on that scale, well, if you want your contract extension,
you're gonna have to win a super Bowl. There's thirty
one dudes at the end of the year that are like, oh,
I guess I'm not getting a contract extension. It just
it feels it feels like you're setting this up to
be a bigger discussion next year, when you could just
squash it and get it done with now because he's
already earned it.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
It just seems like that would be the simple, sensible
way of approaching it. But you just never know the
what and the why for certain things that take place.
It could just be as simple as they want to Wait,
it could be very simple like no no hidding, uh,
you know, hitting agendas or anything like that, no secret operations.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
It just they they mean what they say.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
It could be they're trying to set a tone, and
you know, coach sure is something that is a really
big deal, you know, in all things that take place.
So I don't know, maybe they're setting a tone for
the players, you know, don't approach us about extensions and
stuff like that. We don't even do it for our
GM and for our head coach, don't. I don't really
(27:18):
know what the purpose is. I just know you're right.
They continue to get results. They have been considered to
be a competitive team. It didn't end the way that
they would have liked for it to end it. Last
year seemed like there was a bit of a drop off.
But this team this year, with the personnel that they have,
(27:38):
there really should be no reason why they're not right
in the thick of it coming out of the NFC.
And I mean for a super Bowl challenge, to get
to the super Bowl, that's how good I think this
Green Bay Packers team, you know, can be going into
this season. So you know, they have put together a
(27:58):
really really fine and just maybe they're looking at it like,
look at what you have on this roster, My guy,
My guys, you need to show that what we got
going on here with this personnel, you.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Can drive this car.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Now, what direction do you go in if you go
away from Lafleur after he's done what he's done. It
comes back to my original point Jonas that I'll lean
into is that that puts more pressure on the decision
makers who didn't make the move to keep the GM
or to keep the head coach because they were getting
(28:40):
positive getting positive results.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
That divisions, in my mind, one of the more interesting
in the NFL, just based on the fact that I
have no idea really what to expect because I could
see a world where Detroit runs it back because they
are so talent, But then again, you lose both your coordinators.
We know how this league works. Like they had a
(29:05):
lot of things land in their favor last year. You
can't really expect that to happen two years in a row.
Last year felt like their year. They could be set
up for a down year. Minnesota is putting all their faith,
as we laid out earlier this week in JJ McCarthy,
who's in essence a rookie, he's never played before, and
they feel like, yeah, that's why we just said no
(29:28):
to Aaron Rodgers, That's why we're going this direction, because
it was Jeremy Fowler reported. They've got this three year
super Bowl plan. The Bears have added a bunch of
talent to help Caleb Williams. Ben Johnson's a newcomer there,
and then you've got the Packers and it's almost like,
I have you could set any order other than maybe
the Bears winning the division and after that, but you
(29:50):
could set any order in that division before the year,
and I would buy into and could see those scenarios
play out. In the NFC North, it's just a yearly
really wild division to try and project going in the
next season.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
It'll be a fun it'll be a fun division to
watch and to track. What direction is Minnesota, you know,
trending in It's it's hard, Like you said, it's kind
of hard to pinpoint what you think they'll be. I
think we'll probably find out pretty quickly what type of
team they'll look like. I wonder if we'll be able
(30:25):
to get an idea of it in preseason. Probably really
hard to do. But it'll be interesting to see how
much they play McCarthy to get him reps, impactful reps
before they get to the regular season. I think what
Sam Darnold did this past season puts a lot of
pressure on JJ McCarthy to come out of the gate swinging,
(30:47):
swinging big, and you know, people are gonna want to
know what that looks like. And when you look at
the other teams, people are, like you mentioned, like that,
there's there's some relative unknowns with Chicago and what they're
going to do, but a lot of people are excited
about the you know, the coaching higher that they made
and what that could mean for the future. But again,
(31:09):
you know, the way Caleb Williams talked about how things
were done and a lack of attention to him knowing
what you know, he needed to do, and you know,
the development that he was was seeking wasn't there this
this past season. I think that puts a lot of
pressure on him, and it puts a lot of pressure
on this coaching staff because if he doesn't have a
(31:30):
good year, which he didn't have a bad year this year,
just I just think the expectations are so high that
and and then to see the comp and what jayde
Daniels did in his rookie year and what you know,
obviously Stroud did.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
In his year prior to his rookie year.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I think that people had high expectations for Caleb Williams
to be something more than what he ended up being.
But I don't think that he's not on schedule to
be superstar franchise quarterback in this league.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
But it is still a conversation to be had.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
So and then you look at losing all of your
coordinators and Detroit, what does that look like? But they
get Hutchinson back, which is a big get. I think
that they're they're still poised to have a good year.
I think it's going to be pretty competitive but as
you mentioned, I do believe that this is a pivotal
year for a team like Green Bay because of the
(32:29):
amount of talent that they have on the team, you know,
And that's that's the ultimately the reality that that Matt
lafleur and and goun Kunz is facing going into this season.
You have no reason, with all of the questions surrounding
your division to come out on top of your division.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
You know what's uh And you pointed this out before,
but this it bears repeating because people probably take whatever
the narrative or the optics are and run with that
as opposed to the actual numbers. Killb Williams didn't have
a bad year. I mean, if you just go back
and look through and look through the numbers, you could
(33:10):
argue he had a better year than Jordan Love, he
had a better year than Jalen Hurts. Again, these are
just numbers. We're just looking at numbers. But it's funny how,
just based on the presentation of the chaos that was
the Bears last year, how people just assume all another
(33:34):
number one pick who didn't pan out, or another high
drafted quarterback who didn't pan out. It's like that's one
to look at and go, all right, well, if he
was able to do that and operate in that circus tent,
what could he do potentially in this one this year
when things are a little bit more buttoned up and
there's actual protection on the offensive line and all that.
(33:56):
It's just it's funny when you bring that up, how
people look at the storyline as opposed to the actual
numbers and watch game by game to see what actually
was going on last year in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I mean, I just think it still raises the stakes
that he blamed, you know, and he took, Like, make
no mistake about Caleb Williams took a lot of the
blame on his own shoulders. So let's not act as
though he was brushing off the responsibility of taking taking
the weight of why the team didn't do better than
(34:29):
what it did. But he did raise some points that
basically would lean towards the side of why the hell
would you do that when you had that type of
a talent, Why would you allow for him to feel
that way when he's your number one draft pick and
(34:50):
what people had such high expectations and high hopes for
coming into it. It seems as though you didn't like
your job very much as a head coach. If that's
how you let things get handled.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
It's the Bears. Well maybe that's a simple explanation, which
is crazy.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It's just crazy to think at the pro level, and
we talk about how hard guys fight to get coaching
jobs and how many worthy, you know, prospects are out there.
Then people get into the whole inclusion deal and stuff
like that. There's all kinds of different conversations, but it
(35:26):
is so competitive. There's only thirty two of those positions
out there. So to think that one of those thirty two,
you had the number one overall draft pick, a former
Heisman Trophy winner, a very very gifted and talented player
coming into your organization, and you left all of that
(35:47):
on the table in terms of how you prepared him,
how you trained him, and what his knowledge level of
what it was going to look like and be like
going into these games at the pro level.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's kind of a hit scratcher.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, it is two pros and a cup of Joe
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with
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Speaker 1 (37:11):
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Speaker 7 (37:26):
In case you miss this, I think we've seen this
all before. The Stanley Cup has been dented and bruised,
according to reports in the wee hours of the morning
following the Panthers win the other night.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Uh yeah, you can see pictures of it.
Speaker 7 (37:40):
The rim of the bowl of the Stanley Cup has
been cracked open. I don't know if this happened at
Elbow Bar where they were partying and Fort Lauderdale following
the following the wind and also the base has been
dented pretty pretty darly. But they say they're going to
repair the Stanley Cup before the parade on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Now, did you guys see that they were pouring beer
in the Stanley Cup and then pouring it over the
ledge at Is it elbow room or Elbow Bar elbow Bar?
Speaker 7 (38:08):
I'm sorry, okay, well, well I always thought it was
Elbow Room, but it says elbo Bar in this report
that I'm reading, Well.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
It's probably a nerd who doesn't drink. It's probably who
wrote the report. But they were putting beer in the
Stanley Cup and then dipping it over the balcony for
the people outside, which if we're being fair here and
again not to criticize, but we're just we got to
tell the actual true story here. That was stolen from
the two thousand and nine Pittsburgh Penguins. That was stolen
(38:37):
a clear theft and a borderline violation because it was
the Penguins at Mario's South Side Saloon who did that
after they won the Cup over there on Carson Street
bar where they poured booze in the Stanley Cup and
then we're dumping it over the balcony. Clearly the Florida
Panthers have stolen that, and I hope that the two
(38:59):
thousand and nine Stanley Cup champion Pittsburgh Penguins get the
credit they deserve.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Well, I think it's a fun conversation to have to see,
how you know, certain trophies are from the sport to
sport are are used once they're won. I mean, only
one team gets the chance to hold on to it
and play with it. And mess around with it and
pass it around. I mean, you know, they were passing
the Lombardi Trophy from boat the boat at one point
(39:27):
in time in football. So I mean, you know, you
just when you're happy about winning it all, which is
something that I can only imagine is one of the
greatest feelings of all time. I mean, hey, sometimes there
are casualties of the spoils that are are reaped by
(39:48):
the winner, the victor, and sometimes it's the trophy that's
involved in the casualties.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I mean, it just is what it is.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
There is no shot in how oh that that thing
is clean enough to either eat out of or drink
out of I mean drinking, I mean drinking out of it.
I can I there's alcohol.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Germs live, and can germs live in championship areas?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Though?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Like can can germs and bacteria exist on something that
is such an amazing you know, a piece of accomplishment?
Speaker 5 (40:30):
You know?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
That's that would be the question.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I mean, look, it's it's like when.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
You see those are championship general.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
It's like when you see them clean the clean a
table that you that you're sitting down at, and like, oh,
let me wipe that off for you, and they pull
out this dirty wash rag to clean the table at
the restaurant. Did you just covered up a bums wound
in the parking lot with that, and you're going to
clean my table with it. I'm supposed to have tater
tots on this thing. With all all that crap on it,
(40:58):
it just feels like it's never gonna get cleaned.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I don't know. I'm gonna drink them garms. Dang
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