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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up on
this Monday edition, the NBA Finals are in the books.
Congratulations through the Oklahoma City Thunder your world champions. But
Tyrese Haliverton ruptured Achilles? Why did it happen? How did
it happen? Could have been prevented? All the talking points
(00:22):
in conversations surrounding the injury and what the future looks
like for him and the Indiana Pacers with doctor David Chow,
who's going to stop by. We're also going to have
a shout out to somebody in the NFL who's at
least trying to keep a rivalry going. He's trying his
best to keep this rivalry going. We will discuss Kevin Durant,
He's moving to another team, a complicated career he has had.
(00:43):
We're also going to talk about the career of Tyreek Hill.
One minute he wants to be in Miami, the next
minute he doesn't. The next minute he wants to try
and sell Jalen Ramsey on being a dolphin, and then
Jalen Ramsey doesn't want to be a dolphin. It's a
mess Plus we've got Lee's leftovers and the FSRII R.
It's all yours coming up next. Here, Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe on a Monday, Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
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Speaker 3 (01:34):
We're back.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Lavarrington.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Good morning, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It is two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
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Speaker 2 (01:57):
You doing so.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It is black and here on this Monday morning that's
got to be racist all the way up until nine
am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. And congratulations are in
order to the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
A game seven.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It took, but a game seven got them their first
ever NBA Championship. Congratulations to the OKAC Thunder and their
fan base on the NBA Finals win. And I know
a lot of discussion about what could have been if
not for the injury to Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Well, they got off to a quick start, and that
should be noted that it looked like it was going
to be a pretty competitive final game. Haliburton unfortunately, you know,
hurts his lower leg. Obviously it was clearly an achilles
(02:55):
rupture that took place. You could see it in replay
that the NBA show owed one hundred million times in
slow motion, by the way, So.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Once he went out.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
It's interesting the Pacers actually outscored the the OKC Thunder
in the second quarter. They actually outscored them. The undoing
of the Indiana Pacers was the sloppy play in the
third quarter, the amount of turnovers in the third quarter,
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the lack of offensive continuity and rhythm in the third
quarter was to me what the undoing was. I mean,
topping Obie got his opportunity to get in there and play,
he did nothing. You know, he did nothing, contributed nothing
on the offensive side of the ball. Miles Turner, everybody, well,
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that's just that's just the truth. And and you would
have thought that they would have had possibly a little
bit of an advantage just because of the athleticism and
empower that Obi top and was showing. And then you know,
Miles Turner was one who was able to get the
three ball going, was able to show a little bit
(04:16):
of versatility on the offensive side of the board on
the ball, and he just couldn't find it. Another note,
by the way, that should be added into the undoing
was second chance opportunities and in some cases third chance
opportunities for Okac, which says to me, you're getting out hustled.
(04:39):
You know, the couple times that they had really really
bad offensive sequences, it was because guys were staring or
collapsing down to the ball. They weren't moving around, they
weren't keeping the spacing, they weren't making it a difficult,
you know, proposition to defend them, and the Okase thunder
took advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, it's game completely changed. It felt like the way,
especially with Haliburton's start.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
That we were going to get one of those.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Classic epic Game seven's, and you saw the road team
come out fired up, and you just thought, man, this
is something that's going to go down to the wire.
And what's crazy is we're so educated on achilles injuries
now from the standpoint that everybody can recognize it in
real time when it happens. And I don't know when
(05:28):
that change happened or when that change occurred. But it
feels like we all know what that looks like.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
When TV cameras became HD yeah, you know, you know
you could put stuff in slow motion the way that
they do.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
But even even seeing his reaction on the floor, you knew, like.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
You just knew it was the same thing.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
It was interesting that the media or the people announcing
the game, like why are you dancing over it? It's
like people that you're interviewing, like you talk to his
dad or whatever it may be. I think somebody even
on call, you know, calling the game, actually ended up
saying it. It was like just say he ruptured as
(06:09):
Achilles tendon, Like I know, you didn't have the official
word on it, and it was something the kind of
waiting until they tell you officially, but you could have
you could have immediately speculated the idea that you could
tell by the way it looked that it was it
was a ruptured achilles.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I mean, I just think we all know in watching
it what that looks like now, and so we don't
need to be well, it's a it's a lower leg injury.
Well clearly, clearly it's not an upper leg injury. Clearly
it's not an upper body injury. Tyrese Haliburton, and you
can almost see the trainer whoever came over to him,
(06:50):
I think, asked him did you feel it pop?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And he just kind of was screaming I did. I did,
And you just knew that was it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
That was over.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And the worst part is, you know, not is it
over for that game in that series, It's probably over
for all the next year too.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's a that is a brutal and I mean, you
would know.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Lot sofice one these days. You know, uh, acls used
to be career killers. Achilles tendons, they weren't career killers,
but it just all depended on how you adjusted and
adapted to the new the new leg, the new lower
leg that you would have after the surgery. And it
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took a really really long time to be able to
come back. But at one point achilles were actually probably
a career a career ender or career alterer. And those
were the two. You know, everything else MCLs, pcls, you know, meniscus,
those things seemed to be more minor.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
But you toured out.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Ah interior cruciate ligament that was a career ender and
let me tell you something. The Achilles tendon is the
biggest tendon in your body. That thing, when it goes,
it is one of the most absolute painful deals you'll
ever deal with. Man, it is that. I mean, I'm
(08:16):
a grown man and I have a pretty high pain tolerance.
It had me crying like tears, Like not like oh
it hurts, but more like how Denzel was standing there
when he was getting whipped in Glory and not one
tear came out his eye and it just went real
slow down his face. Like that type of pain, man, Yeah,
(08:36):
that type of pain you don't want.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, it's I mean, it definitely changed how we viewed
that game and what the I guess the recap and
the storyline of that game would be. But nonetheless, I mean,
there's a lot on the injury that we're going to
get into throughout the course of the show. But you
got to give your flowers to SGA, Shake, Gilgess, Alexander,
who did speak afterwards just about their mindset, the win,
(09:03):
how they feel about the team, and what they could
possibly accomplish moving forward.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
We definitely still have room to grow, and that's the
fun part of this. So many of us can still
get better our third row. It's not very many of
us on the team that are quote unquote in our
prime or even close to it.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So we have a lot of.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Room to grow individually and as a group. And I'm
excited for the future of this team. But this is
a great start for sure. Couldn't imagine any other way.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
That's a brilliant year that he just finished off. Yes
in Oklahoma City, I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Basically enough to thrust him into being one of the
names that is mentioned as you know, as a name.
It's interesting, and I know that might sound like a
crazy take, but it just seems as though when you
(09:55):
talk about the names that are still driving the game,
SGA's name comes up. But do you now lead off
with SGA's name after after this series, after this season,
MVP season, MVP of the playoffs, you know, or the finals?
Does this does this now propel you know, SGA into
(10:20):
that conversation of being one of the main names, not
not after you give out the main names. Then he
comes right after you give out the Lebron James or
the Steph Curry's or the Kevin Durantz like those eras
seemingly are now concluding and you need those young stars
(10:41):
to step in. I mean, we've talked about Giannis at nauseum.
We've talked about Jason Tatum, even even Jaylen Brown. We've
talked about them more than we've talked about it SGA.
And maybe it's because of the the you know, the
markets that they're in, you know, but these are these
are names that have come up. You know, Joel Embiid
(11:04):
and he hasn't even really you know, been too much
since since the MVP year. But I just wonder does
this series does this year? Does the OKC Thunder season
thrust not only s g A into the main conversation
of one of the main players in the NBA, and
(11:24):
and what does it do for the Thunder. You know,
this team wasn't able to get it done with KD. Harden,
you know, Serge Abaka and Westbrook, you weren't able to
get it done. And now they've been able to deliver
a first championship to the OKC Thunder. This is a
big moment for for that franchise, is a big moment
for that town and and I would assume to be
(11:48):
able to take advantage of it. This is a big
moment for the NBA as well.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
So you want to know whether or not SGA is
going to become a talking point like other superstars in
the NBA, Like that's that's that's the question. Because I
have the answer, you won't say no, probably not, probably not,
And you want to know why, because they've got a
(12:13):
squeeze every last drop of the Lebron.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Rag that they can while they got it. Got to
squeeze it.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You gotta got every every drop out. You want that
thing to be bone dry afterwards. They're just they're going
to pick at the carcass of Lebron James for as
long as they possibly can because they know that that's
what feeds and that's and that's the way the NBA's
worked for a long time, and they're going to be
in for root awakening when Lebron James does decide to
walk away, because he really has carried the discussion and
(12:47):
the conversation for that league for a couple of decades now,
and they've got an opportunity. They've got an opportunity to
promote and try and get coverdge for some of these
younger stars guys like SGA, Guys like a Tatum or
a Brown last year like they've got opportunities, they've got
(13:08):
a chance here. It took them forever to finally acknowledge, hey,
maybe Indiana's pretty good. I mean, everybody just wanted to
coordinate the Knicks because they got past the Celtics with
all their injuries, and Indiana was standing there going excuse us, like,
we're pretty good as well too, and we're going to
be the team that represents this conference in the finals.
And so if they can rally around the idea of hey,
(13:33):
Lebron's going to be on his way out soon, the
end is near and we're going to have to transition
to try and find new stars and new conversations and
new talking points. If they can do that and accept that,
then they got a chance. If not, it's just going
to be great players who get a fraction of the
coverage because people don't know how to cover the newer
generation of NBA players.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
So interesting. It's interesting because it probably is a very
important coat that they need to figure out how to crack.
In terms of just the development of this new age
of stars. It looked like it might have been John
Morant for a moment and then he, you know, kind
of shot it.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Ol Way or you know, blew it away, no pun.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Into Yeah, you know, he he had other things on
his mind.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Can I defend John Morant?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Gunlighter sales really spiked after that video came out there
you go, you know how many people were smoking weed
out back somewhere and they pulled out a nine millimeter
with a flame coming out of it and they probably
said thanks, like, oh.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Good, keep the party going on, past the back, past
the bowl player.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, ready to take up.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
No violence here baby all ve.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Anyway, so he kind of messed himself up off the court,
and now the conversation went away from him. It seemed
as though our guy, you know, Anthony Atwards, was on
the pathway of being maybe anointed the new face of
the league. But it almost seems as though he needs
(15:26):
to I don't know, I don't know what they need
to do. Maybe a little bit more maturity. Maybe it's
just they need the stars aligned for him. But he
needed to take it a little bit further than what
he did this year, to take a definitive step forward
to be that face. In fact, so much so where
(15:47):
now you have to maybe start having the conversation of
is SGA gaining that type of momentum where he could
be looked at as possibly the face of the NBA.
I mean, you have the Tatum conversation, but but people
seem to be largely in part let down by Jason Tatum.
I mean no fault of his own this year. You know,
(16:08):
he dealt with injury during during the playoffs. But you
know who's who's the guy? You know, out of this
younger generation, it just doesn't seem to be. I mean,
Nicola Jokic and and Luca are our guys that are
being looked at as phenoms. Wimby's being looked at as
(16:31):
as a phenom, but.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Faces of the league.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
There's there's I think that what we learned from the
Michael Jordan era of time and the Magic Johnson era
of time was it has to be more than just
the way you play the game. There has to be
and for what it's worth, whether you're a Lebron James
supporter or you're a detractor. One thing you can't take
(16:57):
away from him is he understood the value and the
quality of what it took for Kobe Bryant or a
Michael Jordan or a Magic Johnson to be able to
truly be what they became to the league, even Steph
Curry excellent, excellent approach, excellent job and being able to
(17:18):
build their brands outside of being able to play basketball.
Jonas and that, to me, the personalities and understanding, the
ability to be able to capture your audience, I almost
feel like in some way that's maybe missing. It's not
(17:39):
as prevalent amongst these new new players as it once
was before.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
There's also been a real I don't know if effort
is the right word, but it has felt like even
when a newer star comes along in the NBA, there's
there's almost like a push to find the flaw.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Like with SGA.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Look, people can say, well, you know his style of
play is you know he you know, he tries to
create too many fouls and he flops. Look, that may
be true. Dude's a great player. I mean he is
a great player. He was the best player in the
league this year. It doesn't mean he's the best player
in the league. I think a lot of people look
at Joker and still say he's the guy. But he
(18:20):
just capped off an incredible season and he won a
title for that franchise.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
He said, a great year.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
But there is going to be some people that dismissed
the style of play because it's not entertaining and nobody
wants to see the fouls, et cetera. When James Harden
was averaging over thirty a game, doing something that a
couple of guys had ever done in the history of
the NBA, the knock on James Harden was, Yeah, but
it's just that step back and he just throws it
(18:49):
up and it what so because exactly who's going in exactly.
It's like when people would complain about Floyd Mayweather. Yeah,
but if you know his fights are.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Boring, they're boring.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Oh, he's boring, and it's just it's too defensive.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I don't know, seems like something work because he made
more money than anybody, and you ever heard the guy
talk before all his faculties, Like doesn't seem like he's punch.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Drunk, by the way, and he never lost no.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
So like like why the push defined the flaw instead
of just acknowledging. Hey, man, different strokes for different folks.
This works. That works to each their own. The shots
are going in, he's making them. He had an incredible
run and an incredible season. But sometimes we get caught
up in this. Yeah, but he doesn't he you know
(19:39):
the way he does it. You know, it's not like
it so what it toxic culture? I mean, that's that's
that's what drafts things. I'm telling you. It's the craziest thing.
I went up, like, I went up like four five.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Thousand followers just because I posted a post that was
considered to be controversial to those that can't read or
don't read or don't take the time to put things
in the proper context. Because that's just the way the
brain works. For today's culture. You know, the culture is
toxic culture, cringe cringe top cringe culture. You know, that's
(20:16):
that's what it is. So people people cling, and people
gravitate to mean, they gravitate to negative.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
It's it's interesting you put up a positive quote, a
positive post.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Your.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Likes and your views significantly fall off. I got the
data now. I don't even have to say per se
or I think the data says if you put up
something that maybe maybe has a toxic vibe to it,
or a you know, somebody died type deal type of
(20:52):
vibe to it, like watching somebody fall, like what took
place with the hot air balloon. Like, you look at
the views on that, it's like a gazillion views.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Bro, take that for data. There you go, thank you.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Then you put up something like hey, get up early,
work hard, eat your breakfast, believe that you can win today,
it'd be like one like, I don't. I don't need
to hear no positivity from you. I'm all about the negativity.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I'm not one to judge, you know. I retweet all
the bad stuff. I just think it's hilarious. Yeah, but
you retweet what they say can help it. I love
trolling them too, by the way, sometimes I make time.
I love going on your posts and trolling. That's a
that's a fertile ground to go on.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Oh yeah, oh man. Yeah they have some weirdos. You've
got some good ones, but you got some straight up
weirdos that be following.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, they're eating good I got somebody under somebody dusted
off an oldie, but a goodie.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
This weekend they called me a piss ant.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Which is one of the good ones. One of the ant.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, one of the great terms of all time. It
is like I hadn't heard that in years. That is
an old one, And I think if you look up
the definition. I think we're looking it up. It means
uh like worthless or insignificant or something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I believe an insignificant or contemptible person or thing. Yeah, gees,
piss love piss ant, and I'm reading up on the
type of ant that is. Shut up, leeve, you piss ant.
We got to start dusting lying.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
It's not like.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
That.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
We got to start dusting that off.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
But goodie hair.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
How was the freak with the vegans?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
How was that?
Speaker 6 (22:46):
I'm sorry, Vegas, Vegas.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Sorry, it's hard to contain myself.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
It is two pros old Bluster at Las Vegas, two
pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Trading. Yeah,
no invite for us.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Not for us.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
We were left out like they're gonna invite a couple
of piss ants like us.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Uh And there you go. That now it's been used correctly.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
The fun note about the piss at is that it's
a wood type of ant that actually has a urine
like odor.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Really, yeah, hence hence the name.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
That's why.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
How do you get close enough to it and tell me?
Have you ever smelled an ant?
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Do you guys ever kill the sugar ants in your
kitchen with your fingers and then they smell really bad.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I hate that's weird and that's wild. I've never heard
of an aunt. I think fire your ants is the
only thing I've ever heard. Sugar ants, black ant, I've
heard it. I've heard of black ant me too.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Rachel had a couple of them, that.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Is like several leg I think I got four they forgot.
I hate ants.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I hate ants.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Dad has three sisters, my mom has one. I have
four black ants.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Do you.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
We call them ants in Pittsburgh and some people call
them on Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I hate ants, just hate them every time because here's
the problem. You see one, there's five hundred just waiting
to crawl through the crack. If you see one ant,
just get ready.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Do you know if you.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Draw lines in front of them, they will like get
all discombobulated. You ever see that done before?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Really? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
But something about their sensory, like if you were to
draw like black lines in front of them, they'll avoid
the lines. So you could actually trap one in a
circle if you if you if you happen to see one,
you know, crawling around the studio, just try to find
a way to get it to walk onto a white
piece of paper and then just start drawing lines on it.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah. I just.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Can't stand them. Really bothered me? What about when I
just say, really bothered me a lot?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I hate them?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
What about? Uh when Ozzy Osbourne and.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Was all twazzled out on whatever he was, whatever he
was using at the time, and he got down on
all fours and ends. Yeah, he snorted a row of
fire ants.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
How's that guy alive? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Like, oh boy, they were alive?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, what do you think his next sneeze was?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Like, I don't know, man, Like the Dragon off Game
of Throne.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Some cats truly be taking all physical challenge for no
apparent reason either, Yeah they do.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I don't get it. All right.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
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dot Com the way tire buying should be. They had
fanatics Fest. We talked to Michael Rubin last week and
over the weekend there was Fanatics Fest. A who's who
of celebrities and sports, etc. All were there and one
(27:29):
of the athletes who spoke at fanatics Fest was Caleb
Williams who decided to take a couple of shots at
the Green Bay Packers and their fan base. Our loyal
listeners statewide listening in Wisconsin right now probably won't be
thrilled with this. Caleb Williams said that Packers fans suck.
(27:52):
He also pointed out that the Bears did beat Green
Bay in his one and only trip to Green Bay
last season in the final week of the season, pointed
out that he was one to zero in Green Bay,
and he also pointed out that they tried to jump
in to do the Lambeau leap after they beat the Packers,
and that Packer fans were throwing stuff at him and
(28:14):
pushing their faces, etc.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Etc.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And I'm not sure what he really expected when you're
trying to jump in and do the Lambeau leap, even
if you're jumping into the arms of a Bears fan
who's sitting there. But I'll give Caleb Williams credit for this.
At least somebody's trying to keep that rivalry alive because
nobody on the Bears has done their part for years now.
I mean, they have been the doormat in that matchup
(28:40):
for a long ass time. So at least Caleb Williams
is trying to ignite a fire into the rivalry to
get it going because it has been nonexistent and a
one sided affair for years now in the NFC North.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I mean, get it going because it's cool to have.
I guess the conversation you know about him having a
one one win record against against them in Lambeau. But
as you mentioned, I mean, they haven't been good. So
if you're if you're trying to fuel a fire too,
(29:17):
what is a historic rivalry? I mean, wouldn't you want
to win more games.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Wouldn't you want your.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Team based upon you specifically, among others, be a better
team of a better product of a team. I just
don't That one kind of missed me a little bit,
just based upon the relevance of who they are. You know,
(29:51):
there's so many things that you could pinpoint from a
five to twelve team and to say that that you
know which, By the way, the team you're taking a
shot at was an eleven win team and they were
right next to you in the division, So.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
You got two more you got two more teams to
look up at. Even if you.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Were to restore the rivalry between the Green Bay Packers,
I just it's, you know, until they start winning, conversations
like these will always be the punchline to a joke.
I just hate to say it, Lee, and I hate
to say it for you Jonas, because you're both fans
(30:38):
of one of these teams, as well as as Lafleur
and and Love have done posts posts Aaron Rodgers. You know,
time there. They still finished third last year, which is crazy.
That's crazy the thing.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Especially considering they've got you know, three bye weeks each season,
They've got their action well bye week and then They've
got the Bears twice in the schedule, you know, for
for anybody celebrating Caleb Williams and his comments about the Packers.
Just so we're clear here, the Bears are three and
seventeen against Green Bay in the last ten years. They've
(31:18):
been a laughing stock in that matchup for a long ast.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
It had been six years since they had won, and
that's just versus the Packers.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
It had been nine years since they had won in
Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, it's you know, and this is not to ball
wash green Bay or the Packer fan base. Lee actually
went to Green Bay this past season. He said the
best part of Green Bay was O'Hare Airport, which.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I don't know why he would have made those claims,
especially live on the air. That was insulting to our Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I love, Yeah, I loved everything about Green Bay. He's
like this, man, man, this green Bay is really something now.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Boarding American Airlines plugen eighteen. But it's just look, man,
you know, somebody's got to try and do something because
this has not been much of a rivalry.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
That was his only loss to the Bears as head coach,
and one of the things that Bears fans always talk
about is when Lovey Smith first got the job, one
of the things he said at his introductory press conference
was beat Green Bay. And it is one of those
historic rivalries where I guess, similar to college football, you
(32:34):
are kind of judged in a way on how you
perform against your rival like that that matters. And there's
not that many of those matchups or rivalries, so to speak,
in the NFL. This one, at least they're trying to
get there, but it has been complete dominant by Green
Bay for a long ass time. There bears again, a
(32:55):
historical value. You can't you can't.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Recreate historical value. You know, these are two fabled and
very very respected traditionally, you know, franchises. So there's that
when when the historic value is there, there's always a
chance to rekindle or or find it, you know, what
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the rivalry represents along the way.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
When you guys were when you were in Washington and
the Cowboys were coming up.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
It was still a relevant rivalry.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Did that feel different?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
But we were the Chicago Bears on the side of
it when I was there, and we were always losing
to to Dallas. Always like there was one. I think
my first year we lost to them both times. I
think the second year I was there, you know, I
think we split with them. I think we lost to
them there and then beat them at home. Now I
(33:55):
don't really remember the rest of it, but I don't
I don't recall winning again Dallas very often. And so
it's like that is a rivalry and and and fans
will tell you, well, used to you know, just beat Dallas,
you know, and you got to the point where your
fans had to say that to you when you saw
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it when they saw you, which was sad in itself, like,
you guys aren't very good. But if y'all could just
beat Dallas, I think, are you know, I'll be happy
for the season. But it was that big of a rivalry,
don't I don't know that it's still that big of
a rivalry. And then the name changed. I don't know
what relevance it kind of carried over from you know,
(34:39):
being you know, basically Cowboys versus Indians.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
So I don't, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Do you know your record against the Cowboys all time,
lebar Arrington, because I have it here.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
I mean I would as I would assume we beat
them twice. I beat them twice something to that effect.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Three and eight in eleven games against the Cowboys. You
were four and seven in eleven games against the Giants.
But and I believe this was back when the Cardinals
were the Cardinals still in the NFC East back then,
because you were four and one against the Cardinals. So
for some reason, you really you really lighted up in
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Arizona there.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Well, that's our team. It wasn't. It wasn't one on one.
I played one position. What you said, I don't know.
I knew what it felt like to play against the
team that you were kind of intimidated by.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I had saw what that looked like.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
I've never really subscribed to being intimidated by a team,
but rivalries can create that type of mental block if
you're on the wrong side of it, and it's almost
like you expect something to go wrong. I experienced that
against Michigan in college, and we just never we never
beat Michigan, no matter.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Like how well we we did.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
And you know, there's there's reasons why I believe we
lost two of the three.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
But that's why, Like those guys that left Ohio State
that never beat Michigan in that rivalry. You're gonna have
to eat that the rest of your life.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
And that's that's a lot. It doesn't seem like a
long time, but when you're in school, that's an eternity.
Like first one, I'm like, dang. Then you lose again,
that just feels like it feels strange, man, And then
to lose the third one, it was it just seemed
like you're there for like that was something that's a
(36:48):
forever deal, like you mentioned, and it is. I mean
I still have to live with that. I'm sure all
of us that played on those teams have to live
with the fact that we never to win against against Michigan.
So so I was used to it when we got
to the league and it was like, oh, this feels familiar.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I mean you were three and oh against the Rams.
For what it's worth, well, I didn't know that dominant.
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Speaker 6 (38:34):
Good Monday morning, everybody.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Good morning jonas A, good morning LeVar, guys. In case
you missed it.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
Over the weekend, the great John Bones Jones has called
it a day for the ufc UH, expressing his deepest
gratitude over social media for his journey and the experiences
he's had over the years, saying he's stepping out of
the octagon. But also of note for mister John Bones
Jones over the weekend from Albuquerque is that.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
He has been charged with leaving the scene of an accident.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Word.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Intoxicated woman lacking clothing from the waist down was found. Yeah,
facing several DUIs all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Helped me understand that one.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
All right, So.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Apparently this woman they found her in the passenger seat
of a car that had been stranded. She had no
clothes below the waist, okay, and she claimed that John
Jones was driving. Apparently she was bombed and she claimed
that John Jones was driving. When they called John Jones,
(39:42):
I guess he was like really sounded really impaired as
well too, And I think did he make some sort
of a threat or something like that. There was like
a like he threatened action or like something weird because
he was hammered. And so now this has come out,
this is not his first issue that he's had. He's
(40:03):
obviously had run ins with the law previous to this.
There's been a lot of stuff. It just adds another
layer to a complicated career for a guy who is
the greatest of all time, Like nobody's ever done it
better than John Jones. But you know, a woman in
a car with no clothes on below the waist, claiming
that he was driving, I mean, what was he driving?
Speaker 6 (40:29):
By the way, the police report uses the term allegedly
made allusions to violence?
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Is the term that the police report uses.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, did they where work? Did they find her clothes?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Lee?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
You know, still searching for the clothes.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
She had no accusations as to you know, him having
anything to do with those being off.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, did she say who took her clothes below the waist?
Clearly she did not say who took it. She did
say mushroom were involved, though, Okay, I'm sure they were
some kind too. Yeah. I mean, listen, man.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I just think he's all the way retired.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I don't either,
Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up on
this Monday edition, the NBA Finals are in the books.
Congratulations through the Oklahoma City Thunder your world champions. But
Tyrese Haliverton ruptured Achilles? Why did it happen? How did
it happen? Could have been prevented? All the talking points
(00:22):
in conversations surrounding the injury and what the future looks
like for him and the Indiana Pacers with doctor David Chow,
who's going to stop by. We're also going to have
a shout out to somebody in the NFL who's at
least trying to keep a rivalry going. He's trying his
best to keep this rivalry going. We will discuss Kevin Durant,
He's moving to another team, a complicated career he has had.
(00:43):
We're also going to talk about the career of Tyreek Hill.
One minute he wants to be in Miami, the next
minute he doesn't. The next minute he wants to try
and sell Jalen Ramsey on being a dolphin, and then
Jalen Ramsey doesn't want to be a dolphin. It's a
mess Plus we've got Lee's leftovers and the FSRII R.
It's all yours coming up next. Here, Two Pros and
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Speaker 3 (01:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:57):
You doing so.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It is black and here on this Monday morning that's
got to be racist all the way up until nine
am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. And congratulations are in
order to the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
A game seven.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It took, but a game seven got them their first
ever NBA Championship. Congratulations to the OKAC Thunder and their
fan base on the NBA Finals win. And I know
a lot of discussion about what could have been if
not for the injury to Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Well, they got off to a quick start, and that
should be noted that it looked like it was going
to be a pretty competitive final game. Haliburton unfortunately, you know,
hurts his lower leg. Obviously it was clearly an achilles
(02:55):
rupture that took place. You could see it in replay
that the NBA show owed one hundred million times in
slow motion, by the way, So.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Once he went out.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
It's interesting the Pacers actually outscored the the OKC Thunder
in the second quarter. They actually outscored them. The undoing
of the Indiana Pacers was the sloppy play in the
third quarter, the amount of turnovers in the third quarter,
(03:31):
the lack of offensive continuity and rhythm in the third
quarter was to me what the undoing was. I mean,
topping Obie got his opportunity to get in there and play,
he did nothing. You know, he did nothing, contributed nothing
on the offensive side of the ball. Miles Turner, everybody, well,
(03:54):
that's just that's just the truth. And and you would
have thought that they would have had possibly a little
bit of an advantage just because of the athleticism and
empower that Obi top and was showing. And then you know,
Miles Turner was one who was able to get the
three ball going, was able to show a little bit
(04:16):
of versatility on the offensive side of the board on
the ball, and he just couldn't find it. Another note,
by the way, that should be added into the undoing
was second chance opportunities and in some cases third chance
opportunities for Okac, which says to me, you're getting out hustled.
(04:39):
You know, the couple times that they had really really
bad offensive sequences, it was because guys were staring or
collapsing down to the ball. They weren't moving around, they
weren't keeping the spacing, they weren't making it a difficult,
you know, proposition to defend them, and the Okase thunder
took advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, it's game completely changed. It felt like the way,
especially with Haliburton's start.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
That we were going to get one of those.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Classic epic Game seven's, and you saw the road team
come out fired up, and you just thought, man, this
is something that's going to go down to the wire.
And what's crazy is we're so educated on achilles injuries
now from the standpoint that everybody can recognize it in
real time when it happens. And I don't know when
(05:28):
that change happened or when that change occurred. But it
feels like we all know what that looks like.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
When TV cameras became HD yeah, you know, you know
you could put stuff in slow motion the way that
they do.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
But even even seeing his reaction on the floor, you knew, like.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
You just knew it was the same thing.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
It was interesting that the media or the people announcing
the game, like why are you dancing over it? It's
like people that you're interviewing, like you talk to his
dad or whatever it may be. I think somebody even
on call, you know, calling the game, actually ended up
saying it. It was like just say he ruptured as
(06:09):
Achilles tendon, Like I know, you didn't have the official
word on it, and it was something the kind of
waiting until they tell you officially, but you could have
you could have immediately speculated the idea that you could
tell by the way it looked that it was it
was a ruptured achilles.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I mean, I just think we all know in watching
it what that looks like now, and so we don't
need to be well, it's a it's a lower leg injury.
Well clearly, clearly it's not an upper leg injury. Clearly
it's not an upper body injury. Tyrese Haliburton, and you
can almost see the trainer whoever came over to him,
(06:50):
I think, asked him did you feel it pop?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And he just kind of was screaming I did. I did,
And you just knew that was it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
That was over.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And the worst part is, you know, not is it
over for that game in that series, It's probably over
for all the next year too.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's a that is a brutal and I mean, you
would know.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Lot sofice one these days. You know, uh, acls used
to be career killers. Achilles tendons, they weren't career killers,
but it just all depended on how you adjusted and
adapted to the new the new leg, the new lower
leg that you would have after the surgery. And it
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took a really really long time to be able to
come back. But at one point achilles were actually probably
a career a career ender or career alterer. And those
were the two. You know, everything else MCLs, pcls, you know, meniscus,
those things seemed to be more minor.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
But you toured out.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Ah interior cruciate ligament that was a career ender and
let me tell you something. The Achilles tendon is the
biggest tendon in your body. That thing, when it goes,
it is one of the most absolute painful deals you'll
ever deal with. Man, it is that. I mean, I'm
(08:16):
a grown man and I have a pretty high pain tolerance.
It had me crying like tears, Like not like oh
it hurts, but more like how Denzel was standing there
when he was getting whipped in Glory and not one
tear came out his eye and it just went real
slow down his face. Like that type of pain, man, Yeah,
(08:36):
that type of pain you don't want.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, it's I mean, it definitely changed how we viewed
that game and what the I guess the recap and
the storyline of that game would be. But nonetheless, I mean,
there's a lot on the injury that we're going to
get into throughout the course of the show. But you
got to give your flowers to SGA, Shake, Gilgess, Alexander,
who did speak afterwards just about their mindset, the win,
(09:03):
how they feel about the team, and what they could
possibly accomplish moving forward.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
We definitely still have room to grow, and that's the
fun part of this. So many of us can still
get better our third row. It's not very many of
us on the team that are quote unquote in our
prime or even close to it.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So we have a lot of.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Room to grow individually and as a group. And I'm
excited for the future of this team. But this is
a great start for sure. Couldn't imagine any other way.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
That's a brilliant year that he just finished off. Yes
in Oklahoma City, I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Basically enough to thrust him into being one of the
names that is mentioned as you know, as a name.
It's interesting, and I know that might sound like a
crazy take, but it just seems as though when you
(09:55):
talk about the names that are still driving the game,
SGA's name comes up. But do you now lead off
with SGA's name after after this series, after this season,
MVP season, MVP of the playoffs, you know, or the finals?
Does this does this now propel you know, SGA into
(10:20):
that conversation of being one of the main names, not
not after you give out the main names. Then he
comes right after you give out the Lebron James or
the Steph Curry's or the Kevin Durantz like those eras
seemingly are now concluding and you need those young stars
(10:41):
to step in. I mean, we've talked about Giannis at nauseum.
We've talked about Jason Tatum, even even Jaylen Brown. We've
talked about them more than we've talked about it SGA.
And maybe it's because of the the you know, the
markets that they're in, you know, but these are these
are names that have come up. You know, Joel Embiid
(11:04):
and he hasn't even really you know, been too much
since since the MVP year. But I just wonder does
this series does this year? Does the OKC Thunder season
thrust not only s g A into the main conversation
of one of the main players in the NBA, and
(11:24):
and what does it do for the Thunder. You know,
this team wasn't able to get it done with KD. Harden,
you know, Serge Abaka and Westbrook, you weren't able to
get it done. And now they've been able to deliver
a first championship to the OKC Thunder. This is a
big moment for for that franchise, is a big moment
for that town and and I would assume to be
(11:48):
able to take advantage of it. This is a big
moment for the NBA as well.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
So you want to know whether or not SGA is
going to become a talking point like other superstars in
the NBA, Like that's that's that's the question. Because I
have the answer, you won't say no, probably not, probably not,
And you want to know why, because they've got a
(12:13):
squeeze every last drop of the Lebron.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Rag that they can while they got it. Got to
squeeze it.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You gotta got every every drop out. You want that
thing to be bone dry afterwards. They're just they're going
to pick at the carcass of Lebron James for as
long as they possibly can because they know that that's
what feeds and that's and that's the way the NBA's
worked for a long time, and they're going to be
in for root awakening when Lebron James does decide to
walk away, because he really has carried the discussion and
(12:47):
the conversation for that league for a couple of decades now,
and they've got an opportunity. They've got an opportunity to
promote and try and get coverdge for some of these
younger stars guys like SGA, Guys like a Tatum or
a Brown last year like they've got opportunities, they've got
(13:08):
a chance here. It took them forever to finally acknowledge, hey,
maybe Indiana's pretty good. I mean, everybody just wanted to
coordinate the Knicks because they got past the Celtics with
all their injuries, and Indiana was standing there going excuse us, like,
we're pretty good as well too, and we're going to
be the team that represents this conference in the finals.
And so if they can rally around the idea of hey,
(13:33):
Lebron's going to be on his way out soon, the
end is near and we're going to have to transition
to try and find new stars and new conversations and
new talking points. If they can do that and accept that,
then they got a chance. If not, it's just going
to be great players who get a fraction of the
coverage because people don't know how to cover the newer
generation of NBA players.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
So interesting. It's interesting because it probably is a very
important coat that they need to figure out how to crack.
In terms of just the development of this new age
of stars. It looked like it might have been John
Morant for a moment and then he, you know, kind
of shot it.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Ol Way or you know, blew it away, no pun.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Into Yeah, you know, he he had other things on
his mind.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Can I defend John Morant?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Gunlighter sales really spiked after that video came out there
you go, you know how many people were smoking weed
out back somewhere and they pulled out a nine millimeter
with a flame coming out of it and they probably
said thanks, like, oh.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Good, keep the party going on, past the back, past
the bowl player.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, ready to take up.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
No violence here baby all ve.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Anyway, so he kind of messed himself up off the court,
and now the conversation went away from him. It seemed
as though our guy, you know, Anthony Atwards, was on
the pathway of being maybe anointed the new face of
the league. But it almost seems as though he needs
(15:26):
to I don't know, I don't know what they need
to do. Maybe a little bit more maturity. Maybe it's
just they need the stars aligned for him. But he
needed to take it a little bit further than what
he did this year, to take a definitive step forward
to be that face. In fact, so much so where
(15:47):
now you have to maybe start having the conversation of
is SGA gaining that type of momentum where he could
be looked at as possibly the face of the NBA.
I mean, you have the Tatum conversation, but but people
seem to be largely in part let down by Jason Tatum.
I mean no fault of his own this year. You know,
(16:08):
he dealt with injury during during the playoffs. But you
know who's who's the guy? You know, out of this
younger generation, it just doesn't seem to be. I mean,
Nicola Jokic and and Luca are our guys that are
being looked at as phenoms. Wimby's being looked at as
(16:31):
as a phenom, but.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Faces of the league.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
There's there's I think that what we learned from the
Michael Jordan era of time and the Magic Johnson era
of time was it has to be more than just
the way you play the game. There has to be
and for what it's worth, whether you're a Lebron James
supporter or you're a detractor. One thing you can't take
(16:57):
away from him is he understood the value and the
quality of what it took for Kobe Bryant or a
Michael Jordan or a Magic Johnson to be able to
truly be what they became to the league, even Steph
Curry excellent, excellent approach, excellent job and being able to
(17:18):
build their brands outside of being able to play basketball.
Jonas and that, to me, the personalities and understanding, the
ability to be able to capture your audience, I almost
feel like in some way that's maybe missing. It's not
(17:39):
as prevalent amongst these new new players as it once
was before.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
There's also been a real I don't know if effort
is the right word, but it has felt like even
when a newer star comes along in the NBA, there's
there's almost like a push to find the flaw.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Like with SGA.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Look, people can say, well, you know his style of
play is you know he you know, he tries to
create too many fouls and he flops. Look, that may
be true. Dude's a great player. I mean he is
a great player. He was the best player in the
league this year. It doesn't mean he's the best player
in the league. I think a lot of people look
at Joker and still say he's the guy. But he
(18:20):
just capped off an incredible season and he won a
title for that franchise.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
He said, a great year.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
But there is going to be some people that dismissed
the style of play because it's not entertaining and nobody
wants to see the fouls, et cetera. When James Harden
was averaging over thirty a game, doing something that a
couple of guys had ever done in the history of
the NBA, the knock on James Harden was, Yeah, but
it's just that step back and he just throws it
(18:49):
up and it what so because exactly who's going in exactly.
It's like when people would complain about Floyd Mayweather. Yeah,
but if you know his fights are.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Boring, they're boring.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Oh, he's boring, and it's just it's too defensive.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I don't know, seems like something work because he made
more money than anybody, and you ever heard the guy
talk before all his faculties, Like doesn't seem like he's punch.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Drunk, by the way, and he never lost no.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
So like like why the push defined the flaw instead
of just acknowledging. Hey, man, different strokes for different folks.
This works. That works to each their own. The shots
are going in, he's making them. He had an incredible
run and an incredible season. But sometimes we get caught
up in this. Yeah, but he doesn't he you know
(19:39):
the way he does it. You know, it's not like
it so what it toxic culture? I mean, that's that's
that's what drafts things. I'm telling you. It's the craziest thing.
I went up, like, I went up like four five.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Thousand followers just because I posted a post that was
considered to be controversial to those that can't read or
don't read or don't take the time to put things
in the proper context. Because that's just the way the
brain works. For today's culture. You know, the culture is
toxic culture, cringe cringe top cringe culture. You know, that's
(20:16):
that's what it is. So people people cling, and people
gravitate to mean, they gravitate to negative.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
It's it's interesting you put up a positive quote, a
positive post.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Your.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Likes and your views significantly fall off. I got the
data now. I don't even have to say per se
or I think the data says if you put up
something that maybe maybe has a toxic vibe to it,
or a you know, somebody died type deal type of
(20:52):
vibe to it, like watching somebody fall, like what took
place with the hot air balloon. Like, you look at
the views on that, it's like a gazillion views.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Bro, take that for data. There you go, thank you.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Then you put up something like hey, get up early,
work hard, eat your breakfast, believe that you can win today,
it'd be like one like, I don't. I don't need
to hear no positivity from you. I'm all about the negativity.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I'm not one to judge, you know. I retweet all
the bad stuff. I just think it's hilarious. Yeah, but
you retweet what they say can help it. I love
trolling them too, by the way, sometimes I make time.
I love going on your posts and trolling. That's a
that's a fertile ground to go on.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Oh yeah, oh man. Yeah they have some weirdos. You've
got some good ones, but you got some straight up
weirdos that be following.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, they're eating good I got somebody under somebody dusted
off an oldie, but a goodie.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
This weekend they called me a piss ant.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Which is one of the good ones. One of the ant.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, one of the great terms of all time. It
is like I hadn't heard that in years. That is
an old one, And I think if you look up
the definition. I think we're looking it up. It means
uh like worthless or insignificant or something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I believe an insignificant or contemptible person or thing. Yeah, gees,
piss love piss ant, and I'm reading up on the
type of ant that is. Shut up, leeve, you piss ant.
We got to start dusting lying.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
It's not like.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
That.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
We got to start dusting that off.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
But goodie hair.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
How was the freak with the vegans?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
How was that?
Speaker 6 (22:46):
I'm sorry, Vegas, Vegas.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Sorry, it's hard to contain myself.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
It is two pros old Bluster at Las Vegas, two
pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Trading. Yeah,
no invite for us.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Not for us.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
We were left out like they're gonna invite a couple
of piss ants like us.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Uh And there you go. That now it's been used correctly.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
The fun note about the piss at is that it's
a wood type of ant that actually has a urine
like odor.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Really, yeah, hence hence the name.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
That's why.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
How do you get close enough to it and tell me?
Have you ever smelled an ant?
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Do you guys ever kill the sugar ants in your
kitchen with your fingers and then they smell really bad.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I hate that's weird and that's wild. I've never heard
of an aunt. I think fire your ants is the
only thing I've ever heard. Sugar ants, black ant, I've
heard it. I've heard of black ant me too.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Rachel had a couple of them, that.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Is like several leg I think I got four they forgot.
I hate ants.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I hate ants.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Dad has three sisters, my mom has one. I have
four black ants.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Do you.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
We call them ants in Pittsburgh and some people call
them on Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I hate ants, just hate them every time because here's
the problem. You see one, there's five hundred just waiting
to crawl through the crack. If you see one ant,
just get ready.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Do you know if you.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Draw lines in front of them, they will like get
all discombobulated. You ever see that done before?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Really? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
But something about their sensory, like if you were to
draw like black lines in front of them, they'll avoid
the lines. So you could actually trap one in a
circle if you if you if you happen to see one,
you know, crawling around the studio, just try to find
a way to get it to walk onto a white
piece of paper and then just start drawing lines on it.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah. I just.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Can't stand them. Really bothered me? What about when I
just say, really bothered me a lot?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I hate them?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
What about? Uh when Ozzy Osbourne and.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Was all twazzled out on whatever he was, whatever he
was using at the time, and he got down on
all fours and ends. Yeah, he snorted a row of
fire ants.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
How's that guy alive? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Like, oh boy, they were alive?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, what do you think his next sneeze was?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Like, I don't know, man, Like the Dragon off Game
of Throne.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Some cats truly be taking all physical challenge for no
apparent reason either, Yeah they do.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I don't get it. All right.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
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(25:58):
has finally saved a rivalry in the NFL. Find out
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Speaker 7 (26:06):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 1 (26:20):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up in
a little over fifteen minutes from now, we may know
why something actually happened in the world of sports over
the weekend. A little bit more to the story. We
will get into that for you here again a little
over fifteen minutes from now. Right now, though, it is
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Lay it up and laser it on. What a manover
by Damon Williams.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
He played the role with any and now plays the ground.
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fanatics Fest. We talked to Michael Rubin last week and
over the weekend there was Fanatics Fest. A who's who
of celebrities and sports, etc. All were there and one
(27:29):
of the athletes who spoke at fanatics Fest was Caleb
Williams who decided to take a couple of shots at
the Green Bay Packers and their fan base. Our loyal
listeners statewide listening in Wisconsin right now probably won't be
thrilled with this. Caleb Williams said that Packers fans suck.
(27:52):
He also pointed out that the Bears did beat Green
Bay in his one and only trip to Green Bay
last season in the final week of the season, pointed
out that he was one to zero in Green Bay,
and he also pointed out that they tried to jump
in to do the Lambeau leap after they beat the Packers,
and that Packer fans were throwing stuff at him and
(28:14):
pushing their faces, etc.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Etc.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And I'm not sure what he really expected when you're
trying to jump in and do the Lambeau leap, even
if you're jumping into the arms of a Bears fan
who's sitting there. But I'll give Caleb Williams credit for this.
At least somebody's trying to keep that rivalry alive because
nobody on the Bears has done their part for years now.
I mean, they have been the doormat in that matchup
(28:40):
for a long ass time. So at least Caleb Williams
is trying to ignite a fire into the rivalry to
get it going because it has been nonexistent and a
one sided affair for years now in the NFC North.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I mean, get it going because it's cool to have.
I guess the conversation you know about him having a
one one win record against against them in Lambeau. But
as you mentioned, I mean, they haven't been good. So
if you're if you're trying to fuel a fire too,
(29:17):
what is a historic rivalry? I mean, wouldn't you want
to win more games.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Wouldn't you want your.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Team based upon you specifically, among others, be a better
team of a better product of a team. I just
don't That one kind of missed me a little bit,
just based upon the relevance of who they are. You know,
(29:51):
there's so many things that you could pinpoint from a
five to twelve team and to say that that you
know which, By the way, the team you're taking a
shot at was an eleven win team and they were
right next to you in the division, So.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
You got two more you got two more teams to
look up at. Even if you.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Were to restore the rivalry between the Green Bay Packers,
I just it's, you know, until they start winning, conversations
like these will always be the punchline to a joke.
I just hate to say it, Lee, and I hate
to say it for you Jonas, because you're both fans
(30:38):
of one of these teams, as well as as Lafleur
and and Love have done posts posts Aaron Rodgers. You know,
time there. They still finished third last year, which is crazy.
That's crazy the thing.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Especially considering they've got you know, three bye weeks each season,
They've got their action well bye week and then They've
got the Bears twice in the schedule, you know, for
for anybody celebrating Caleb Williams and his comments about the Packers.
Just so we're clear here, the Bears are three and
seventeen against Green Bay in the last ten years. They've
(31:18):
been a laughing stock in that matchup for a long ast.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
It had been six years since they had won, and
that's just versus the Packers.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
It had been nine years since they had won in
Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, it's you know, and this is not to ball
wash green Bay or the Packer fan base. Lee actually
went to Green Bay this past season. He said the
best part of Green Bay was O'Hare Airport, which.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I don't know why he would have made those claims,
especially live on the air. That was insulting to our Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I love, Yeah, I loved everything about Green Bay. He's
like this, man, man, this green Bay is really something now.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Boarding American Airlines plugen eighteen. But it's just look, man,
you know, somebody's got to try and do something because
this has not been much of a rivalry.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
That was his only loss to the Bears as head coach,
and one of the things that Bears fans always talk
about is when Lovey Smith first got the job, one
of the things he said at his introductory press conference
was beat Green Bay. And it is one of those
historic rivalries where I guess, similar to college football, you
(32:34):
are kind of judged in a way on how you
perform against your rival like that that matters. And there's
not that many of those matchups or rivalries, so to speak,
in the NFL. This one, at least they're trying to
get there, but it has been complete dominant by Green
Bay for a long ass time. There bears again, a
(32:55):
historical value. You can't you can't.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Recreate historical value. You know, these are two fabled and
very very respected traditionally, you know, franchises. So there's that
when when the historic value is there, there's always a
chance to rekindle or or find it, you know, what
(33:21):
the rivalry represents along the way.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
When you guys were when you were in Washington and
the Cowboys were coming up.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
It was still a relevant rivalry.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Did that feel different?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
But we were the Chicago Bears on the side of
it when I was there, and we were always losing
to to Dallas. Always like there was one. I think
my first year we lost to them both times. I
think the second year I was there, you know, I
think we split with them. I think we lost to
them there and then beat them at home. Now I
(33:55):
don't really remember the rest of it, but I don't
I don't recall winning again Dallas very often. And so
it's like that is a rivalry and and and fans
will tell you, well, used to you know, just beat Dallas,
you know, and you got to the point where your
fans had to say that to you when you saw
(34:16):
it when they saw you, which was sad in itself, like,
you guys aren't very good. But if y'all could just
beat Dallas, I think, are you know, I'll be happy
for the season. But it was that big of a rivalry,
don't I don't know that it's still that big of
a rivalry. And then the name changed. I don't know
what relevance it kind of carried over from you know,
(34:39):
being you know, basically Cowboys versus Indians.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
So I don't, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Do you know your record against the Cowboys all time,
lebar Arrington, because I have it here.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
I mean I would as I would assume we beat
them twice. I beat them twice something to that effect.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Three and eight in eleven games against the Cowboys. You
were four and seven in eleven games against the Giants.
But and I believe this was back when the Cardinals
were the Cardinals still in the NFC East back then,
because you were four and one against the Cardinals. So
for some reason, you really you really lighted up in
(35:19):
Arizona there.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Well, that's our team. It wasn't. It wasn't one on one.
I played one position. What you said, I don't know.
I knew what it felt like to play against the
team that you were kind of intimidated by.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I had saw what that looked like.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
I've never really subscribed to being intimidated by a team,
but rivalries can create that type of mental block if
you're on the wrong side of it, and it's almost
like you expect something to go wrong. I experienced that
against Michigan in college, and we just never we never
beat Michigan, no matter.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Like how well we we did.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
And you know, there's there's reasons why I believe we
lost two of the three.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
But that's why, Like those guys that left Ohio State
that never beat Michigan in that rivalry. You're gonna have
to eat that the rest of your life.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
And that's that's a lot. It doesn't seem like a
long time, but when you're in school, that's an eternity.
Like first one, I'm like, dang. Then you lose again,
that just feels like it feels strange, man, And then
to lose the third one, it was it just seemed
like you're there for like that was something that's a
(36:48):
forever deal, like you mentioned, and it is. I mean
I still have to live with that. I'm sure all
of us that played on those teams have to live
with the fact that we never to win against against Michigan.
So so I was used to it when we got
to the league and it was like, oh, this feels familiar.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I mean you were three and oh against the Rams.
For what it's worth, well, I didn't know that dominant.
It is two pros and a cup of Joe here
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Speaker 7 (37:29):
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And for that we turn it over to our executive producer,
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Speaker 6 (38:34):
Good Monday morning, everybody.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Good morning jonas A, good morning LeVar, guys. In case
you missed it.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
Over the weekend, the great John Bones Jones has called
it a day for the ufc UH, expressing his deepest
gratitude over social media for his journey and the experiences
he's had over the years, saying he's stepping out of
the octagon. But also of note for mister John Bones
Jones over the weekend from Albuquerque is that.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
He has been charged with leaving the scene of an accident.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Word.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Intoxicated woman lacking clothing from the waist down was found. Yeah,
facing several DUIs all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Helped me understand that one.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
All right, So.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Apparently this woman they found her in the passenger seat
of a car that had been stranded. She had no
clothes below the waist, okay, and she claimed that John
Jones was driving. Apparently she was bombed and she claimed
that John Jones was driving. When they called John Jones,
(39:42):
I guess he was like really sounded really impaired as
well too, And I think did he make some sort
of a threat or something like that. There was like
a like he threatened action or like something weird because
he was hammered. And so now this has come out,
this is not his first issue that he's had. He's
(40:03):
obviously had run ins with the law previous to this.
There's been a lot of stuff. It just adds another
layer to a complicated career for a guy who is
the greatest of all time, Like nobody's ever done it
better than John Jones. But you know, a woman in
a car with no clothes on below the waist, claiming
that he was driving, I mean, what was he driving?
Speaker 6 (40:29):
By the way, the police report uses the term allegedly
made allusions to violence?
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Is the term that the police report uses.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, did they where work? Did they find her clothes?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Lee?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
You know, still searching for the clothes.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
She had no accusations as to you know, him having
anything to do with those being off.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, did she say who took her clothes below the waist?
Clearly she did not say who took it. She did
say mushroom were involved, though, Okay, I'm sure they were
some kind too. Yeah. I mean, listen, man.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I just think he's all the way retired.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I don't either,
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