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Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, explain how the NFLPA looks awful in a collusion coverup. Michael Penix Jr. isn’t wrong about playoff aspirations. Plus, picking fights in golf and the WNBA on ICYMI.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up on
this Thursday edition, you talk about an awful look for
the NFLPA. We've got the latest details on that. We're
also going to talk about one player in the NFL
who sees playoffs as success. The problem is it's been
a long ass time. The Great Albert Brear is going
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to stop by and he's talking about nine to ninety
nine cap guns on vacation. We're also going to get
the very latest from the college football nil money spending,
Dion Sanders' opinions on a salary cap situation. We've got
another edition of In case you missed it. We're also
going to tell you why the NFC is way more
confusing in the AFC, and we've got another edition of
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Speaker 3 (01:46):
What up sticks?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Good morning? Oh man, good morning?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You got that gas going early?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I got up, bro, Like, yesterday was like I couldn't
get my uh.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
What you got in the cab?
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Oh? Yeah, nits yeah, bruh. I was feeling a certain
type of way yesterday. I was like, man, I kind
of feel a little off, and I knew it was
because I didn't get my sleep pattern change right like
you got we got used to getting some sleep. Yesterday
when I got up for the show, I just felt
like really really like in a fog man and I
(02:20):
couldn't really get out of it. I was like, man,
I got to approach today a little differently. So so yeah, man,
I approached it so much so where I had so
much energy. It was like I'm just on the move.
So yeah, I'm like bouncing around right now. And Celsius
will have you on some like like let's go cause
you got I'm on some like let's go right now,
like let's that fing go?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Man?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Hey, what do they call it that? Well, then I
didn't want to go down there. Yeah, I don't even
want to do it. Not ready for that. That joke
will be told later. But nonetheless, we are off and
running here on this Thursday morning too.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
We've got a fun.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Little follow up on a story that we talked about
last week here. So, the NFLPA filed an appeal of
a ruling by Arbitrator Christopher Droni that there was sufficient
evidence of collusion by owners in contract negotiations with quarterbacks
following the fully guaranteed contract given to Deshaun Watson. Well,
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of course they should appeal that, especially if there was
evidence that would indicate that there was some sort of
collusion going on, or that Roger Goodell had instructed or
at least encouraged owners to try and ensure that there
wouldn't be fully guaranteed contracts handed out to quarterbacks following
the Deshaun Watson contract. Of course they should do that,
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and there did seem to be some evidence when the
findings came out. The problem is this should have been
appealed in January when the ruling was made, and the
only reason the NFLPA is appealing it now is to
save face because Pavlo Torre got ahold of the transcripts.
That's it. In fact, the NFL and senior leaders of
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the NFL Players Association, and this was found and released
on ESPN yesterday. They found that the NFL Players Association
struck what they're calling an unusual confidentiality agreement that hid
the details of an arbitration decision from players, including a
finding that league executives had urged team owners to reduce
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guaranteed player compensation, multiple sources told ESPN. In fact, also
from ESPN, some players told them that they were surprised
by details and the rulings and that they didn't understand
why the union hadn't shared that ruling with them. So
you've got the NFLPA, upon seeing the transcripts from all this,
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and players with the NFLPA and players in the league
looking at it, going wait, so you guys knew all this,
We had evidence of all this. This should have been
appealed in in January, and you struck in agreement with
the other side to keep it confidential. From us, and
you've got players, You've got people asking questions, you've got
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attorneys like Peter Ginsberg, who's represented many NFL players for decades.
He said he was stunned to hear about the confidentiality agreement.
He said, quote as the head of the union, and
this is you know, all of the and now you've
got you've got you know, the current NFLPA executive director,
Lloyd Howell going after the former and Demorris Smith and
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blaming him for sort of how this whole thing fell apart.
But yeah, oh yeah, and you got Peter Ginsburg, the attorney, saying,
as the head of the union, Lloyd has an obligation
to protect his best interest of the players. He said,
by agreeing to a confidentiality agreement, the union purposefully blocked
the players from receiving crucial information about the operations of
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the NFL.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
So it's almost like they're all in it together.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
But go ahead, use the word how can you You're
going to appeal a scenario where if what you're accusing
the League of doing with this knowledge that you just
spoke on, wouldn't you call that colluding. It's it's like,
I mean, I don't want it. It's not intended to
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be a mic drop moment. But if I'm the union,
if if if the people that are representing you are
on some confidentiality type of of of deal where they're
not disclosing these pieces of information that are pertinent and
relevant to the people that you're representing, and you're doing
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that with the other side, that would be collusion.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
And the fact and the fact that they're getting aggressive
with it now and appealing this when they should have
done it again. This ruling came out in January. You
had months. You had months to try and figure this,
figure this thing out. The only reason now they're having
to get on the offensive when it comes to this
is because the information got out. If they if Pablo
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Torre hadn't gotten a hold of the transcripts from what
had happened, none of this probably takes place. It's the
NFLPA again trying to save face because it's an awful look.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Just that's called espionage.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
I mean, there's all kinds of different words that that
are used for this. It's big it's big business. There's
big business here. The owners stand to lose some of
their bottom line, a major part of their bottom line.
Some you know, these franchises are facing being put in
different positions in terms of you know, we've heard Q say, listen,
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you do a fully guaranteed contract, that contract apparently has
to be placed in escrow. You got to have the
money for that contract up front and ready to go.
I would assume how many times can you do a
fully guaranteed contract. If that's the case and you're an
NFL franch how many times do you want to do
that where you have to commit what if we're talking
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about these types of deals, they're only going to be
with the elite players, So you're talking about hundreds of
millions of dollars that you're having to commit to this
one player, and you have to have that money together.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
It has to be there. So I think it.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Causes some complications for the structure that exists for the NFL.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
And for what it's worth, you have to be able.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
I know, the whole anti trust and you know, no
monopolies on business and stuff like that, so they can
only do things a certain type of way before it
goes down the lane of being colluding and stuff like that,
and you can't do it. But they're a business. They're businesses.
They're privately owned businesses, and if you're going to have
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conversations about how you can improve your bottom line, wouldn't
you say that applies to one hundred percent of the
businesses that are out there. You're going to try to
figure out what the proper business approach is. You're going
to see how you can manage your heart costs and
your expenses. You're always trying to impact your bottom line.
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That is something that you learn if you're doing business
and you're learning business or you live in the real world.
If you're going to get a new contract at your job,
you have to understand where do you fit within that
company's structure and how does that impact their bottom line.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
If I'm a player, I'm pissed. I'm looking at this
going hold on, so.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
You're being let down. You're not.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
You are being You are the commodity that makes all
of this work, of course, but you're not the most
important obviously, you're not the most important driving force in
terms of the thought process or the approach of how
hard should you push for certain things to get you know, get.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Approved, Like, shouldn't you be on our side? That would
be my thought as a player, I'd be like, hold
on a second, you like you know that this is
something we should have appealed, and you're conspiring with owners
to try and keep it from us. I'm pissed. I'm
looking around, like and as a former player, didn't it
make you question everything, like when you were in the league,
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Like wait a second, So what was going on back then?
Speaker 5 (10:25):
If I'm being honest, I never trusted I never trusted
the PA. I never trusted them. I never really worked
with them, and I just I pretty much. I made
sure that I kept my own affairs like close to
the vest as much as I could, Like if you
if you were calling my rookie year, I didn't sign
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the group license in agreement. A lot of people don't
realize that, but I didn't sign Like the first the
first year that I was in the league, they didn't
have my they didn't have me on the video game,
they didn't have me on mat and I was just
player fifty six, didn't have Arrington and Trader cards and jerseys.
They were selling my jersey. They were selling Trader cards.
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And I sued and I won because they weren't. My
whole thing was And this is pre nil, but I
understood in il and my whole thing was, if you're
gonna use my name, image and likeness and you're grouping
me with all of these other people, I want to
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know that my interest is being represented properly, for one,
and for two, I want to know what you're.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Doing with my brand.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
You could be I don't know what your markets are
or the pockets of where my relevancy lied as a
as a player outside of Pennsylvania at the time, and
where I got drafted to in Washington. But you're gonna
give me a residual check. When I get that residual check,
I don't really know what you've done other than jersey
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sales or you know, card sales, whatever it may be.
I don't know how you're using my name, image and likeness,
how often you're using it, where you're using it. I
don't know all of these things, and you're not explaining
these things clearly. So I'm not going to sign this contract.
I'm not going to sign my rights away to you guys.
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And that's the NFLPA. And they still did it, like
they still released my jersey, they were still selling cars,
So that's when I knew, like it's really about at
the end, of the day. The NFLPA is a business. Right,
let's just call it what it is. The NFLPA is
a business. They have their bottom line and you know
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what they have to do. They have to figure out
what the structure of their business model is in order
to be able to impact their bottom line. They have employees,
They got to maintain a payroll. They have to run
their business like a business. And the worst thing you
could do is bite the hand that feeds you. At
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the end of the day, they have one business and
one business alone, and that business is to be the
cartilage in between the NFL and the owners and the players.
And I always wonder like why, Like, and you do
have a lot of former players that are part of
the PA, you do, but I've always wondered why is
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it Like you get a random person like the Morris Smith, Like,
what is his representation to the football community?
Speaker 4 (13:37):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Like, if you don't understand the football community, how can
you actually how can you actually represent it in a
way where you understand how we feel or you understand
the approaches of of what what we're a part of.
You if you're not relating to us, how can you
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represent us? In the best manner.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
So we were making the point last week when Demorris
Smith's book came out and he's got all these excerpts
about it, and one of them, you know, he talked
about Aaron Rodgers and basically blasted Aaron Rodgers and just said,
you know, I got a text from Rogers and I
something along the lines of and I'm paraphrasing, you know,
can I walk into traffic instead? And my thought on
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that was, Okay, this is one of the stars of
the league. You represent the stars of the league, so
to speak, or so we thought, and he wants to
talk to you, and your response is I'd rather walk
into traffic. That's not how that should work. JC Tretder,
you know, and this was one of the details that
came out when these transcripts were made public by Pablo Tory.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
J C.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Tretder, when the discussion was about Russell Wilson and his
negotiations and trying to get a guaranteed deal with the Broncos,
basically ripped into Russell Wilson. You're supposed to represent these guys.
You're not supposed to be burying them behind their back
and complaining about them behind their back. It's supposed to
be a union in to where you're all in this together,
and then you see this stuff come out and it's
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it reminds me almost like of politics. And I can
remember my brother told me this when I was younger,
and I always remember this, and I kind of asked
him because I didn't really understand the you know, Democrats, Republicans,
like I didn't understand any of that stuff. But he
basically just said to me, there are no Democrats or Republicans.
It's the same a hole in a different suit. And
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I still remember that a different color. And I still
remember that to this day. And when I see stuff
like this, I go, also, so you're all in this together,
like this is not. There is no NFLPA and owners
there is. This would make me question everything that.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I heard from the NFL. You should and you should.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
You know, you have your team representatives, they go, they
sit in the meetings. You want to have a problem
with somebody who's enlightened enough to know that it is
just a bunch of bs, like we're here and it's
it's like, literally it's all for show. Let's get all
of the reps from all the teams. Let's take a
picture like, oh, let's post it NFLPA. We care, Oh
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turf wars da da da, this that and the other. Okay,
it's like all for show to me, it's always been
all for show. And so when you get down to
a moment where Demor Smith actually in a moment of
thinking that he's being candid and exposing personality like Aaron Rodgers,
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Aaron Rodgers is really exposing yes, like do you understand
when you wrote that and people are going to read
that that they're going to be like, well, why would
Aaron Rodgers feel that way? Aaron Rodgers is a lot
of things. One thing you're not going to mistake him
for is being an idiot. He's not dumb. He's not
a dumb dude. So if he gets up in emphatic
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fashion or whatever it is that he said, takes a
deep breath.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
And leaves exits the meeting, you're.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Basically exposing the fact that this man is there and
he's sitting there listening to what you are saying and
what you are talking about. And it's a big ass
waste of time. It's all for show. Log the hours,
log the minutes so that you can add it to
the business plan. Here's what we did. Here's the summary.
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We hit all the line items. We could say, we look,
we can say, we talked to you guys about it,
We discussed it, checking off the boxes you're going to
do in this scenario. I've always felt this has always
been my person and I hate to do it because
there are some really really fine dudes, and I always
mention their names, you know, from Nolan Harrison to Andre
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Collins to you know.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Carl Carl.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Why do I always blank on Carl's name anyway Lewis,
It's not Carl Lewis. Yeah, but anyway, there's always going
to be some really really good people. I remember I
used to hit up Georgia Top he worked for the PA.
I don't know if he's still with him or not,
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but I would hit certain people up that worked for
the NFLPA, and I always felt like I was talking
to somebody who went through a sales course. And the
first thing you realize when you're talking to somebody who's
in sales and has been trained and has a history
in sale, is what's the first thing they're going to do?
Manage your expectation. The best people in sales can manage
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an expectation. So now you've immediately I bring something your way, issue,
dotad topic, can we do this, whatever it may be,
manage the expectation. Then once you manage the expectation, you
create an underpromise type of deal so that you can
over deliver on the other side of it. And that's
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what the NFLPA has done to me for as long
as I can remember. Like Doug Allen, he's a penn
stator like great respect in some regards, but I just
always felt like, even back to then when it was
back to when Doug Allen was in there, it's always
going to be what moves the agenda of their business
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model and until there's some way to figure that out.
And that's why I feel like the college aspect of
everything that's going on, it's some real there's some real
hurdles to clear, there's some real barriers to get around
in terms of finding a healthy space for how business
is going to be done at the college level with
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these players.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Now that money's.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Involved, because you see under the surface, very surface, it
goes way deeper with this glacier of conversation that we're having,
but just immediately under the surface when you see and
hear things like this that we're discussing right now, it
ultimately exposes the unseen, like we know the known, Like Okay,
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here's a contract. This is how much they're getting. The
salary cap is here. This is where it's moving to.
These are the players that are making the money. Here's
how much you get if you get tagged da da
da that and the other. You see all of those things.
But when you start to get into conversations like this
where it's like, wait, you're taking us out of of
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the parameters of what our structure represents. Fully guaranteed contracts
do not fit our model, So get that BS up
out of here.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Don't bring that s our way.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Oh then one owner panics and and does it, And
now everybody's trying to figure out what are we going
to do from here?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
What do we do?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And the Players Association is keeping secrets from its players.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
There you go, so, how are you gonna how are
you going to really get to a real solution? How
are you really going to get to a real solution
to what's going on? You have all these bright minds,
like we don't have Q on Q would be able
to give us like a real, you know, educated, like
from the legal standpoint it and all this stuff and
blase blah. You have bright minds that think with that
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side of their brain and use just the concrete evidence.
And then you have other guys that use their experiences
and how they feel about people or the things that
they collected information wise, and that's it's a melting pot
of representatives of the players that are a part of
these meetings and trying to understand what's going on. And
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for the life of me, for all the bright minds
that I've seen be a part of the PA. If
you buy into what the PA preaches and you believe
in it, you end up working for them. If you don't,
you just end up being a part of it, scratching
your head the whole time, trying to figure out why
the hell do we have an NFLPA if this is
all we're going to get from it?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
And if you question that, the PA executive director tells
in a book later that he'd rather walk into traffic
than talk to you. How about that?
Speaker 5 (21:58):
It's okay, all right, because because you called him out
by getting up and leaving the meeting, because you didn't
feel like anything got accomplished, like why why is that?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
That's crazy?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
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all the way up until nine am Eastern time, six
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Two pros and a cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up in
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when you're out there because you're just not quite certain
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who you're messing with, Okay, so just be careful, all right.
This is a nice lesson to be learned and a
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you again in another edition of In case you missed it,
coming up here a little over fifteen minutes from now.
Right now, though, before we get into this story in
the National Football League about somebody trying to do something
for the first time in a long time, it is
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they shake it off. Not ideal, but you know, hey,
long way to go. They'll be a playoff team, no
doubt about it. Oh, they have some skit space, right,
they have some They have a little bit of room,
but I mean they'll be a playoff team. The Atlanta Falcons,
on the other end, haven't been a playoff team for
a long ass time. And if you ask Michael Pennix,
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and he was having a conversation with former Falcons great
Michael Vick.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
His whole goal.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
When it comes to a successful season is to do
something they haven't done in a long ass time.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
That's a successful season for the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Of Michael Pennon's the.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Postseason, Oh guy in the post seeing like the dirty
bird nests and like all the little highlights and fans.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It's like, man, like they get rocking whenever we win it.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
So like I definitely want to get back to that,
you know, win a football game so he can have.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
A city time. So twenty seventeen is the last time
the Atlanta Falcons have made the playoffs, last time they
had a winning record, if you're keeping score, that was
just after a year after they had that meltdown in
the Super Bowl. So it's been a long time since Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Imagine what the trajectory of that team would have been
if they didn't have that melt down. That would have
been one of the more epic Super Bowls just because
of who they would have won against. I mean, instead,
it made the legend so much bigger for Tom.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Brady and and no doubt Matt Ryan would have been
Hall of Famer had they won that MVP Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
It's just so crazy to think what something could be,
what it could represent, because you go, one franchise goes
in one direction, the other franchise goes continues in a
different direction. Players, careers, you know, are looked at differently.
It's just it's a lot. There's a lot there to
that one because they I mean, it was as in
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the bag as you could possibly get. I mean you're
talking about they bagged the groceries, grabbed the groceries, were
walking out of the store before the attendant said hey,
oh oh wait, wait wait you didn't pay for that?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Okay, come on back. You thought you had it all miserable.
It was in the bag. You was, you was almost
to your car cruise into a.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Super Bowl, and then Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and
company called you back in and said you forgot to
pay your tab.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I remember, I remember being on the air right after
that doing the postgame show, and I didn't know how
to open the show other than what the hell just happened?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Right?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Did the Falcons blow that game?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
It's just the whole well, and then you know this
is Kyle Shanahan was the offensive coordinator in Atlanta, you
know dan Quinn coordinator.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Well, he was the head coach, head coach.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, yeah, knows what we're talking about when it comes
to dan Quinn following that. But yeah, it's it's been
a long ass time since the Falcons have gotten there.
And they're one of those teams we talked to, you know,
the Mount Rushmore of teams with playoff droughts. Atlanta is
one of those teams that it's been a long time
since they've been there. What makes it probably even worse
(28:10):
is the fact that, Bro, it's not like they're in
a division that's a gauntlet.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I mean Tampa and then as everybody else.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, and I've fallen victim to this where I've thought,
you know, Atlanta was going to be a team to
potentially win that division in years past. They haven't. I've
also thought New Orleans when Derek Carr got there, was
going to be a team that could be a threat
maybe in the NFC. They weren't. Carolina's blown through two
three coaches or more during that time. This just goes
(28:42):
to show you why there's probably frustration from the fan
base's standpoint, and just overall, if you look at that, man,
this is a division we could dominate here, and instead
we've just been kind of staying afloat a couple of
having a nine seasons. Last year was eight and nine.
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Just not quite terrible, but still not good enough to
be a factor, especially in a very winnable division.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Yeah, listen, it's good that that Michael Penix is is
feeling that way. It's interesting. He's a Michael. He did
the interview with a Michael the goat. Michael of the
Falcons is a lefty. Pennix is a lefty.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
You know what? Else what they're both black? Where you're
going for?
Speaker 5 (29:35):
I don't understand are I don't understand why one is
way more mobile than the other.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
So that well, he should be able to run like
the other Mike too. Huh. Come on, man, he don't
run like Mike vic I tell you that. Uh fw, people,
you people, you tripping out.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
I think there should be high expectations and Atlanta for
the simple fact that Michael Pennix didn't play. He didn't
play out a level where there would be cause for
concern coming into this season. In fact, we've had multiple
conversations about Kirk Cousins and how he's the backup. They
(30:19):
could have easily been like, all right, you know, we
put Mike in. This was a good experiment, but he's
not ready yet. And for this season, this upcoming season,
where a year removed from Kirk Cousins recovering from that injury,
he got a year under his belt. Maybe didn't finish
the way that we would have liked for him to finish.
Maybe that played a part and why he didn't play
(30:40):
very well at points in time during the course of
the season. We're going to go back to him and
we're going to see what he can do in year
two as an Atlanta Falcon.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
And I don't think that would be a horrible approach to.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Be honest with you and give Michael Pennix the opportunity
like you got him some really really impactful game reps,
because Kirk Cousins really needed to have that time to
kind of make sure that he was all the way
fully back healthy. Shut him down because maybe the season,
maybe the season was on the you know, you were
(31:14):
on a cusp of being a good enough team to
make the playoffs. Let's see if we can get a
spark from the young buck. If we get a spark,
we're good and he can maintain the job and we
go from there. If he doesn't, we got him some
great reps and we'll try it again with Kirk Cousins
next year. Because of the contract that we have in hand,
(31:37):
it would seem to be feasible. So it says to
me that they believe enough at Michael Pennick and what
he was able to bring to the to the table
this first year that he played that they're going to
ride him out and he's going to be the starter.
They're they're feeling good about him being the starter going
into the season, so much so that you know, it's
(31:59):
so okay what happens with with Kirk Cousins, whether he's
the backup, whether we can get you know, capital off
of trading him some way, somehow gained some value there,
but they're going with Michael Pennock. So I said, I
think that that says a lot about their confidence as
an organization in Michael Pennix. And it sounds as though
he has a lot of confidence as well. He's got
(32:21):
Bejon Robinson in in the backfield. He's got I mean,
if Kyle Pitts is going to be there. It looks
like he is going to be there unless something crazy
happens between now and the season. You know, you got
you got some good, good skill guys. You got guys
like Ray Ray m McLeod, who's a vetting uh.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
In the room. You Drake, Drake London's.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
A bee talent.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
You have talent, right, you have talent.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
So there's no reason to not think going into the
season with the things that you've said in terms of
the NSC South being a division that's wide open. I mean,
the Saints are going to be a team that's trying
to figure it out this year. Carolina Panthers there going
to be a team that's trying to figure it out
this year. And you would have to assume that Tampa
(33:06):
Bay is going to be Tampa Bay, like they're going
to be a pretty good team, Like they're aging at
certain positions, the receivers position, but they brought in some
young receivers as well to add to what's going on there.
So I would I would assume that Tampa Bay will
be the standard that'll be the horse in that division.
But if I'm the Atlanta Falcons, you could be a
dark horse in the NFC South.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
And then on the Tampa front, Tristan Wurf's there. You know,
multiple time Pro Bowl offensive tackle is going to miss
the start of the season when Arthur Scott Arthur scottpick
surgery on his knee, so it's something that flared up
on him. He dealt with it a little bit last year.
So you've got that for Tampa Bay. So look, it's
it's not as if it's not a winnable division. I
(33:49):
think I think that's probably what the frustration was with
Arthur Smith. When Arthur Smith was the coach there, there
was talent, like you had pieces there, you had a
lot to that you could work with. They could just
never figure out the quarterback spot. And he was you know,
trying to win with you know, Desmond Ritter and some
others that were there, and ultimately it ended up costing
(34:10):
Arthur Smith's job. So now they've invested big time in
the quarterback position, you know, one hundred plus million dollars
for Kirk Cousins and a high draft pick on Michael Pennix.
Hopefully this works. If not, I would just you know,
use Ai go back and rewatch that Super Bowl against
the Patriots, except this time they hold on to the
lead and then just go that direction. If you're a
(34:31):
Falcons fan, see if that works. Because if this doesn't work,
I don't know what to tell you. There's opportunity.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
When did that quote come out from Kirk Cousins about
filling mislay it? How long ago was that.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Red that was on the Netflix show? So it was
last year?
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Was it recorded during during the season? Was Michael Penicks
at No? I think Kirk Cousins was still the start? Okay, yeah,
from my understanding, so because there's a way to me
and I know we got to get up to a break.
But wouldn't you think that if if Kirk Cousins didn't
see Michael Pennix, like see him right, not like see
(35:11):
them like literally see them come in the room, but
like see who Michael Pennix is? Would you even say
something like that to the media? Would you say that
in an interview on a show that you know is
going to be used because that's going to be a
real quote. Would you say those things if you didn't
see Michael Pennis. If I saw a kid that I
didn't believe could beat me out, Am I going to
(35:32):
say I felt like I was misled when they drafted
this guy to take my job. So it kind of
like says to me, like, if you pay attention to
some of the small clues and put it in context,
it seems as though Michael Pennix has shown in that
organization that he can be the man. And it'd be
interesting to see if that plays out. If you see
that step forward, is he showed it in college, If
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he can bring that element, that element of leadership, that
element of high achievement, the accuracy that he brings to
the table, if he can bring that to Atlanta and
you see that this year, then it's a rep for
Kirk Cousins unless something happens to Michael Pinnox.
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Lap A good.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
More than everybody. Good morning, LeVar, Good morning, Jonas. Guys,
in case you miss it, let's head to Canada because
that's where everything's going down. How about Alberta, Canada? What
was the golf course deer horn hold on, I got
it right here, red deer, red deer, Alberta, Canada, where
a fight took place that went viral on the golf course.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yeah, they'll hear about it. It'll fight time.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
It is being investigated that former Florida Panthers enforcer Nick
Tarnaski was in an alleged fight with a fellow golfer
on the course and if you look online you can
find it easily. Uh he puts it makes short work
of the guy.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Have you guys seen this?
Speaker 1 (38:16):
The guy was running his mouth and he challenged this
dude to a fight. He was significantly smaller than him.
He sounded like he had been drinking, but you know Canadians,
so he wanted to throw down. And this guy just
wore him out, ragged alled him, hit him multiple times,
and he fought like a forcer, ragged doll. Yeah, and
he fought like a hockey player where you could see
(38:38):
him grab the guy's golf polo.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
And just start pulling him down to the hand That's
one thing I love about hockey players. They know how
to pull that that face down to the hand. You
like to push him in the lake first, by the way,
it is, uh, it's great. He threw him in the
water and the guy did, oh, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
It's great.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
But I mean it's another example of me.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Watch you, watching you, watch you.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
You run your mouth to and there's some people that
just don't get it. They just want to try guys.
It's like, all right, man, it's like road like you
ever seen somebody get bad road rage?
Speaker 5 (39:15):
Road rage me the other day, that the other literally
like two days ago. There's a guy that that cut
me off. We end up at the stoplight. I had
my windows I like him, had my windows down and
listen to music. Cut me off and he starts cursing
me out and I was like, hey, bro, is that
the type of trouble you want to type of he
(39:35):
was causing me. I was like, hey, man, go ahead
about your business. I got that burner right next to me.
Get out that car if you want to, damn just
scuff you up. I'm not getting out of his car anyways,
But you're right, like, you gotta be careful because you
don't know what people got going on these days. And
(39:56):
I'm not trying to get out the car and I'm
not trying to get hurt. Yeah, I hit you with
a kinetic round real quick. You gotta got.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Just so y'all know.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Oh, that's the LeVar. I gotta get the help before
he gets.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
The mele What else we got?
Speaker 7 (40:11):
Well, in case you missing, Angel Reese has beaten Caitlon
Clark that for the cover of the NBA two k
W n B A version.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
I think that's a topic we need. We might need
to tack with that topic. We might need to tackle that.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Top Yeah, Angel, why not?
Speaker 4 (40:30):
I was just joking.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Really, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
Maybe that might want That might be a topic worth discussion.
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Speaker 3 (01:46):
What up sticks?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Good morning? Oh man, good morning?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You got that gas going early?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I got up, bro, Like, yesterday was like I couldn't
get my uh.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
What you got in the cab?
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Oh? Yeah, nits yeah, bruh. I was feeling a certain
type of way yesterday. I was like, man, I kind
of feel a little off, and I knew it was
because I didn't get my sleep pattern change right like
you got we got used to getting some sleep. Yesterday
when I got up for the show, I just felt
like really really like in a fog man and I
(02:20):
couldn't really get out of it. I was like, man,
I got to approach today a little differently. So so yeah, man,
I approached it so much so where I had so
much energy. It was like I'm just on the move.
So yeah, I'm like bouncing around right now. And Celsius
will have you on some like like let's go cause
you got I'm on some like let's go right now,
like let's that fing go?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Man?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Hey, what do they call it that? Well, then I
didn't want to go down there. Yeah, I don't even
want to do it. Not ready for that. That joke
will be told later. But nonetheless, we are off and
running here on this Thursday morning too.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
We've got a fun.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Little follow up on a story that we talked about
last week here. So, the NFLPA filed an appeal of
a ruling by Arbitrator Christopher Droni that there was sufficient
evidence of collusion by owners in contract negotiations with quarterbacks
following the fully guaranteed contract given to Deshaun Watson. Well,
(03:24):
of course they should appeal that, especially if there was
evidence that would indicate that there was some sort of
collusion going on, or that Roger Goodell had instructed or
at least encouraged owners to try and ensure that there
wouldn't be fully guaranteed contracts handed out to quarterbacks following
the Deshaun Watson contract. Of course they should do that,
(03:45):
and there did seem to be some evidence when the
findings came out. The problem is this should have been
appealed in January when the ruling was made, and the
only reason the NFLPA is appealing it now is to
save face because Pavlo Torre got ahold of the transcripts.
That's it. In fact, the NFL and senior leaders of
(04:07):
the NFL Players Association, and this was found and released
on ESPN yesterday. They found that the NFL Players Association
struck what they're calling an unusual confidentiality agreement that hid
the details of an arbitration decision from players, including a
finding that league executives had urged team owners to reduce
(04:28):
guaranteed player compensation, multiple sources told ESPN. In fact, also
from ESPN, some players told them that they were surprised
by details and the rulings and that they didn't understand
why the union hadn't shared that ruling with them. So
you've got the NFLPA, upon seeing the transcripts from all this,
(04:48):
and players with the NFLPA and players in the league
looking at it, going wait, so you guys knew all this,
We had evidence of all this. This should have been
appealed in in January, and you struck in agreement with
the other side to keep it confidential. From us, and
you've got players, You've got people asking questions, you've got
(05:11):
attorneys like Peter Ginsberg, who's represented many NFL players for decades.
He said he was stunned to hear about the confidentiality agreement.
He said, quote as the head of the union, and
this is you know, all of the and now you've
got you've got you know, the current NFLPA executive director,
Lloyd Howell going after the former and Demorris Smith and
(05:33):
blaming him for sort of how this whole thing fell apart.
But yeah, oh yeah, and you got Peter Ginsburg, the attorney, saying,
as the head of the union, Lloyd has an obligation
to protect his best interest of the players. He said,
by agreeing to a confidentiality agreement, the union purposefully blocked
the players from receiving crucial information about the operations of
(05:53):
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
So it's almost like they're all in it together.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
But go ahead, use the word how can you You're
going to appeal a scenario where if what you're accusing
the League of doing with this knowledge that you just
spoke on, wouldn't you call that colluding. It's it's like,
I mean, I don't want it. It's not intended to
(06:18):
be a mic drop moment. But if I'm the union,
if if if the people that are representing you are
on some confidentiality type of of of deal where they're
not disclosing these pieces of information that are pertinent and
relevant to the people that you're representing, and you're doing
(06:40):
that with the other side, that would be collusion.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
And the fact and the fact that they're getting aggressive
with it now and appealing this when they should have
done it again. This ruling came out in January. You
had months. You had months to try and figure this,
figure this thing out. The only reason now they're having
to get on the offensive when it comes to this
is because the information got out. If they if Pablo
(07:08):
Torre hadn't gotten a hold of the transcripts from what
had happened, none of this probably takes place. It's the
NFLPA again trying to save face because it's an awful look.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Just that's called espionage.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
I mean, there's all kinds of different words that that
are used for this. It's big it's big business. There's
big business here. The owners stand to lose some of
their bottom line, a major part of their bottom line.
Some you know, these franchises are facing being put in
different positions in terms of you know, we've heard Q say, listen,
(07:43):
you do a fully guaranteed contract, that contract apparently has
to be placed in escrow. You got to have the
money for that contract up front and ready to go.
I would assume how many times can you do a
fully guaranteed contract. If that's the case and you're an
NFL franch how many times do you want to do
that where you have to commit what if we're talking
(08:06):
about these types of deals, they're only going to be
with the elite players, So you're talking about hundreds of
millions of dollars that you're having to commit to this
one player, and you have to have that money together.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
It has to be there. So I think it.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Causes some complications for the structure that exists for the NFL.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
And for what it's worth, you have to be able.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
I know, the whole anti trust and you know, no
monopolies on business and stuff like that, so they can
only do things a certain type of way before it
goes down the lane of being colluding and stuff like that,
and you can't do it. But they're a business. They're businesses.
They're privately owned businesses, and if you're going to have
(08:55):
conversations about how you can improve your bottom line, wouldn't
you say that applies to one hundred percent of the
businesses that are out there. You're going to try to
figure out what the proper business approach is. You're going
to see how you can manage your heart costs and
your expenses. You're always trying to impact your bottom line.
(09:19):
That is something that you learn if you're doing business
and you're learning business or you live in the real world.
If you're going to get a new contract at your job,
you have to understand where do you fit within that
company's structure and how does that impact their bottom line.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
If I'm a player, I'm pissed. I'm looking at this
going hold on, so.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
You're being let down. You're not.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
You are being You are the commodity that makes all
of this work, of course, but you're not the most
important obviously, you're not the most important driving force in
terms of the thought process or the approach of how
hard should you push for certain things to get you know, get.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Approved, Like, shouldn't you be on our side? That would
be my thought as a player, I'd be like, hold
on a second, you like you know that this is
something we should have appealed, and you're conspiring with owners
to try and keep it from us. I'm pissed. I'm
looking around, like and as a former player, didn't it
make you question everything, like when you were in the league,
(10:22):
Like wait a second, So what was going on back then?
Speaker 5 (10:25):
If I'm being honest, I never trusted I never trusted
the PA. I never trusted them. I never really worked
with them, and I just I pretty much. I made
sure that I kept my own affairs like close to
the vest as much as I could, Like if you
if you were calling my rookie year, I didn't sign
(10:46):
the group license in agreement. A lot of people don't
realize that, but I didn't sign Like the first the
first year that I was in the league, they didn't
have my they didn't have me on the video game,
they didn't have me on mat and I was just
player fifty six, didn't have Arrington and Trader cards and jerseys.
They were selling my jersey. They were selling Trader cards.
(11:08):
And I sued and I won because they weren't. My
whole thing was And this is pre nil, but I
understood in il and my whole thing was, if you're
gonna use my name, image and likeness and you're grouping
me with all of these other people, I want to
(11:29):
know that my interest is being represented properly, for one,
and for two, I want to know what you're.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Doing with my brand.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
You could be I don't know what your markets are
or the pockets of where my relevancy lied as a
as a player outside of Pennsylvania at the time, and
where I got drafted to in Washington. But you're gonna
give me a residual check. When I get that residual check,
I don't really know what you've done other than jersey
(12:01):
sales or you know, card sales, whatever it may be.
I don't know how you're using my name, image and likeness,
how often you're using it, where you're using it. I
don't know all of these things, and you're not explaining
these things clearly. So I'm not going to sign this contract.
I'm not going to sign my rights away to you guys.
(12:22):
And that's the NFLPA. And they still did it, like
they still released my jersey, they were still selling cars,
So that's when I knew, like it's really about at
the end, of the day. The NFLPA is a business. Right,
let's just call it what it is. The NFLPA is
a business. They have their bottom line and you know
(12:46):
what they have to do. They have to figure out
what the structure of their business model is in order
to be able to impact their bottom line. They have employees,
They got to maintain a payroll. They have to run
their business like a business. And the worst thing you
could do is bite the hand that feeds you. At
(13:07):
the end of the day, they have one business and
one business alone, and that business is to be the
cartilage in between the NFL and the owners and the players.
And I always wonder like why, Like, and you do
have a lot of former players that are part of
the PA, you do, but I've always wondered why is
(13:29):
it Like you get a random person like the Morris Smith, Like,
what is his representation to the football community?
Speaker 4 (13:37):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Like, if you don't understand the football community, how can
you actually how can you actually represent it in a
way where you understand how we feel or you understand
the approaches of of what what we're a part of.
You if you're not relating to us, how can you
(13:58):
represent us? In the best manner.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
So we were making the point last week when Demorris
Smith's book came out and he's got all these excerpts
about it, and one of them, you know, he talked
about Aaron Rodgers and basically blasted Aaron Rodgers and just said,
you know, I got a text from Rogers and I
something along the lines of and I'm paraphrasing, you know,
can I walk into traffic instead? And my thought on
(14:21):
that was, Okay, this is one of the stars of
the league. You represent the stars of the league, so
to speak, or so we thought, and he wants to
talk to you, and your response is I'd rather walk
into traffic. That's not how that should work. JC Tretder,
you know, and this was one of the details that
came out when these transcripts were made public by Pablo Tory.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
J C.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Tretder, when the discussion was about Russell Wilson and his
negotiations and trying to get a guaranteed deal with the Broncos,
basically ripped into Russell Wilson. You're supposed to represent these guys.
You're not supposed to be burying them behind their back
and complaining about them behind their back. It's supposed to
be a union in to where you're all in this together,
and then you see this stuff come out and it's
(15:04):
it reminds me almost like of politics. And I can
remember my brother told me this when I was younger,
and I always remember this, and I kind of asked
him because I didn't really understand the you know, Democrats, Republicans,
like I didn't understand any of that stuff. But he
basically just said to me, there are no Democrats or Republicans.
It's the same a hole in a different suit. And
(15:25):
I still remember that a different color. And I still
remember that to this day. And when I see stuff
like this, I go, also, so you're all in this together,
like this is not. There is no NFLPA and owners
there is. This would make me question everything that.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I heard from the NFL. You should and you should.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
You know, you have your team representatives, they go, they
sit in the meetings. You want to have a problem
with somebody who's enlightened enough to know that it is
just a bunch of bs, like we're here and it's
it's like, literally it's all for show. Let's get all
of the reps from all the teams. Let's take a
picture like, oh, let's post it NFLPA. We care, Oh
(16:08):
turf wars da da da, this that and the other. Okay,
it's like all for show to me, it's always been
all for show. And so when you get down to
a moment where Demor Smith actually in a moment of
thinking that he's being candid and exposing personality like Aaron Rodgers,
(16:28):
Aaron Rodgers is really exposing yes, like do you understand
when you wrote that and people are going to read
that that they're going to be like, well, why would
Aaron Rodgers feel that way? Aaron Rodgers is a lot
of things. One thing you're not going to mistake him
for is being an idiot. He's not dumb. He's not
a dumb dude. So if he gets up in emphatic
(16:50):
fashion or whatever it is that he said, takes a
deep breath.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
And leaves exits the meeting, you're.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Basically exposing the fact that this man is there and
he's sitting there listening to what you are saying and
what you are talking about. And it's a big ass
waste of time. It's all for show. Log the hours,
log the minutes so that you can add it to
the business plan. Here's what we did. Here's the summary.
(17:17):
We hit all the line items. We could say, we look,
we can say, we talked to you guys about it,
We discussed it, checking off the boxes you're going to
do in this scenario. I've always felt this has always
been my person and I hate to do it because
there are some really really fine dudes, and I always
mention their names, you know, from Nolan Harrison to Andre
(17:40):
Collins to you know.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Carl Carl.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Why do I always blank on Carl's name anyway Lewis,
It's not Carl Lewis. Yeah, but anyway, there's always going
to be some really really good people. I remember I
used to hit up Georgia Top he worked for the PA.
I don't know if he's still with him or not,
(18:03):
but I would hit certain people up that worked for
the NFLPA, and I always felt like I was talking
to somebody who went through a sales course. And the
first thing you realize when you're talking to somebody who's
in sales and has been trained and has a history
in sale, is what's the first thing they're going to do?
Manage your expectation. The best people in sales can manage
(18:25):
an expectation. So now you've immediately I bring something your way, issue,
dotad topic, can we do this, whatever it may be,
manage the expectation. Then once you manage the expectation, you
create an underpromise type of deal so that you can
over deliver on the other side of it. And that's
(18:46):
what the NFLPA has done to me for as long
as I can remember. Like Doug Allen, he's a penn
stator like great respect in some regards, but I just
always felt like, even back to then when it was
back to when Doug Allen was in there, it's always
going to be what moves the agenda of their business
(19:11):
model and until there's some way to figure that out.
And that's why I feel like the college aspect of
everything that's going on, it's some real there's some real
hurdles to clear, there's some real barriers to get around
in terms of finding a healthy space for how business
is going to be done at the college level with
(19:32):
these players.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Now that money's.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Involved, because you see under the surface, very surface, it
goes way deeper with this glacier of conversation that we're having,
but just immediately under the surface when you see and
hear things like this that we're discussing right now, it
ultimately exposes the unseen, like we know the known, Like Okay,
(19:54):
here's a contract. This is how much they're getting. The
salary cap is here. This is where it's moving to.
These are the players that are making the money. Here's
how much you get if you get tagged da da
da that and the other. You see all of those things.
But when you start to get into conversations like this
where it's like, wait, you're taking us out of of
(20:14):
the parameters of what our structure represents. Fully guaranteed contracts
do not fit our model, So get that BS up
out of here.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Don't bring that s our way.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Oh then one owner panics and and does it, And
now everybody's trying to figure out what are we going
to do from here?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
What do we do?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And the Players Association is keeping secrets from its players.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
There you go, so, how are you gonna how are
you going to really get to a real solution? How
are you really going to get to a real solution
to what's going on? You have all these bright minds,
like we don't have Q on Q would be able
to give us like a real, you know, educated, like
from the legal standpoint it and all this stuff and
blase blah. You have bright minds that think with that
(21:06):
side of their brain and use just the concrete evidence.
And then you have other guys that use their experiences
and how they feel about people or the things that
they collected information wise, and that's it's a melting pot
of representatives of the players that are a part of
these meetings and trying to understand what's going on. And
(21:27):
for the life of me, for all the bright minds
that I've seen be a part of the PA. If
you buy into what the PA preaches and you believe
in it, you end up working for them. If you don't,
you just end up being a part of it, scratching
your head the whole time, trying to figure out why
the hell do we have an NFLPA if this is
all we're going to get from it?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
And if you question that, the PA executive director tells
in a book later that he'd rather walk into traffic
than talk to you. How about that?
Speaker 5 (21:58):
It's okay, all right, because because you called him out
by getting up and leaving the meeting, because you didn't
feel like anything got accomplished, like why why is that?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
That's crazy?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you.
So we are going to have the usuals coming up
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All of it is yours here as we take you
all the way up until nine am Eastern time, six
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(22:32):
try and do something for the first time in a
long time. Find out what it is that's next.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
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Two pros and a cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
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(23:56):
who you're messing with, Okay, so just be careful, all right.
This is a nice lesson to be learned and a
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you again in another edition of In case you missed it,
coming up here a little over fifteen minutes from now.
Right now, though, before we get into this story in
the National Football League about somebody trying to do something
for the first time in a long time, it is
(24:17):
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Speaker 2 (24:19):
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Here this afternoon in Milwaukee. It is brooms for the Brewers.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
As they sweep the Dodgers for the first time utter
here in Milwaukee.
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buying should be. Yeah, Dodgers' longest losing streak since twenty nineteen,
(25:04):
they shake it off. Not ideal, but you know, hey,
long way to go. They'll be a playoff team, no
doubt about it. Oh, they have some skit space, right,
they have some They have a little bit of room,
but I mean they'll be a playoff team. The Atlanta Falcons,
on the other end, haven't been a playoff team for
a long ass time. And if you ask Michael Pennix,
(25:27):
and he was having a conversation with former Falcons great
Michael Vick.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
His whole goal.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
When it comes to a successful season is to do
something they haven't done in a long ass time.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
That's a successful season for the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Of Michael Pennon's the.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Postseason, Oh guy in the post seeing like the dirty
bird nests and like all the little highlights and fans.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It's like, man, like they get rocking whenever we win it.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
So like I definitely want to get back to that,
you know, win a football game so he can have.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
A city time. So twenty seventeen is the last time
the Atlanta Falcons have made the playoffs, last time they
had a winning record, if you're keeping score, that was
just after a year after they had that meltdown in
the Super Bowl. So it's been a long time since Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Imagine what the trajectory of that team would have been
if they didn't have that melt down. That would have
been one of the more epic Super Bowls just because
of who they would have won against. I mean, instead,
it made the legend so much bigger for Tom.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Brady and and no doubt Matt Ryan would have been
Hall of Famer had they won that MVP Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
It's just so crazy to think what something could be,
what it could represent, because you go, one franchise goes
in one direction, the other franchise goes continues in a
different direction. Players, careers, you know, are looked at differently.
It's just it's a lot. There's a lot there to
that one because they I mean, it was as in
(26:55):
the bag as you could possibly get. I mean you're
talking about they bagged the groceries, grabbed the groceries, were
walking out of the store before the attendant said hey,
oh oh wait, wait wait you didn't pay for that?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Okay, come on back. You thought you had it all miserable.
It was in the bag. You was, you was almost
to your car cruise into a.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Super Bowl, and then Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and
company called you back in and said you forgot to
pay your tab.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I remember, I remember being on the air right after
that doing the postgame show, and I didn't know how
to open the show other than what the hell just happened?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Right?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Did the Falcons blow that game?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
It's just the whole well, and then you know this
is Kyle Shanahan was the offensive coordinator in Atlanta, you
know dan Quinn coordinator.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Well, he was the head coach, head coach.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, yeah, knows what we're talking about when it comes
to dan Quinn following that. But yeah, it's it's been
a long ass time since the Falcons have gotten there.
And they're one of those teams we talked to, you know,
the Mount Rushmore of teams with playoff droughts. Atlanta is
one of those teams that it's been a long time
since they've been there. What makes it probably even worse
(28:10):
is the fact that, Bro, it's not like they're in
a division that's a gauntlet.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I mean Tampa and then as everybody else.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, and I've fallen victim to this where I've thought,
you know, Atlanta was going to be a team to
potentially win that division in years past. They haven't. I've
also thought New Orleans when Derek Carr got there, was
going to be a team that could be a threat
maybe in the NFC. They weren't. Carolina's blown through two
three coaches or more during that time. This just goes
(28:42):
to show you why there's probably frustration from the fan
base's standpoint, and just overall, if you look at that, man,
this is a division we could dominate here, and instead
we've just been kind of staying afloat a couple of
having a nine seasons. Last year was eight and nine.
(29:03):
Just not quite terrible, but still not good enough to
be a factor, especially in a very winnable division.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Yeah, listen, it's good that that Michael Penix is is
feeling that way. It's interesting. He's a Michael. He did
the interview with a Michael the goat. Michael of the
Falcons is a lefty. Pennix is a lefty.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
You know what? Else what they're both black? Where you're
going for?
Speaker 5 (29:35):
I don't understand are I don't understand why one is
way more mobile than the other.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
So that well, he should be able to run like
the other Mike too. Huh. Come on, man, he don't
run like Mike vic I tell you that. Uh fw, people,
you people, you tripping out.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
I think there should be high expectations and Atlanta for
the simple fact that Michael Pennix didn't play. He didn't
play out a level where there would be cause for
concern coming into this season. In fact, we've had multiple
conversations about Kirk Cousins and how he's the backup. They
(30:19):
could have easily been like, all right, you know, we
put Mike in. This was a good experiment, but he's
not ready yet. And for this season, this upcoming season,
where a year removed from Kirk Cousins recovering from that injury,
he got a year under his belt. Maybe didn't finish
the way that we would have liked for him to finish.
Maybe that played a part and why he didn't play
(30:40):
very well at points in time during the course of
the season. We're going to go back to him and
we're going to see what he can do in year
two as an Atlanta Falcon.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
And I don't think that would be a horrible approach to.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Be honest with you and give Michael Pennix the opportunity
like you got him some really really impactful game reps,
because Kirk Cousins really needed to have that time to
kind of make sure that he was all the way
fully back healthy. Shut him down because maybe the season,
maybe the season was on the you know, you were
(31:14):
on a cusp of being a good enough team to
make the playoffs. Let's see if we can get a
spark from the young buck. If we get a spark,
we're good and he can maintain the job and we
go from there. If he doesn't, we got him some
great reps and we'll try it again with Kirk Cousins
next year. Because of the contract that we have in hand,
(31:37):
it would seem to be feasible. So it says to
me that they believe enough at Michael Pennick and what
he was able to bring to the to the table
this first year that he played that they're going to
ride him out and he's going to be the starter.
They're they're feeling good about him being the starter going
into the season, so much so that you know, it's
(31:59):
so okay what happens with with Kirk Cousins, whether he's
the backup, whether we can get you know, capital off
of trading him some way, somehow gained some value there,
but they're going with Michael Pennock. So I said, I
think that that says a lot about their confidence as
an organization in Michael Pennix. And it sounds as though
he has a lot of confidence as well. He's got
(32:21):
Bejon Robinson in in the backfield. He's got I mean,
if Kyle Pitts is going to be there. It looks
like he is going to be there unless something crazy
happens between now and the season. You know, you got
you got some good, good skill guys. You got guys
like Ray Ray m McLeod, who's a vetting uh.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
In the room. You Drake, Drake London's.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
A bee talent.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
You have talent, right, you have talent.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
So there's no reason to not think going into the
season with the things that you've said in terms of
the NSC South being a division that's wide open. I mean,
the Saints are going to be a team that's trying
to figure it out this year. Carolina Panthers there going
to be a team that's trying to figure it out
this year. And you would have to assume that Tampa
(33:06):
Bay is going to be Tampa Bay, like they're going
to be a pretty good team, Like they're aging at
certain positions, the receivers position, but they brought in some
young receivers as well to add to what's going on there.
So I would I would assume that Tampa Bay will
be the standard that'll be the horse in that division.
But if I'm the Atlanta Falcons, you could be a
dark horse in the NFC South.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
And then on the Tampa front, Tristan Wurf's there. You know,
multiple time Pro Bowl offensive tackle is going to miss
the start of the season when Arthur Scott Arthur scottpick
surgery on his knee, so it's something that flared up
on him. He dealt with it a little bit last year.
So you've got that for Tampa Bay. So look, it's
it's not as if it's not a winnable division. I
(33:49):
think I think that's probably what the frustration was with
Arthur Smith. When Arthur Smith was the coach there, there
was talent, like you had pieces there, you had a
lot to that you could work with. They could just
never figure out the quarterback spot. And he was you know,
trying to win with you know, Desmond Ritter and some
others that were there, and ultimately it ended up costing
(34:10):
Arthur Smith's job. So now they've invested big time in
the quarterback position, you know, one hundred plus million dollars
for Kirk Cousins and a high draft pick on Michael Pennix.
Hopefully this works. If not, I would just you know,
use Ai go back and rewatch that Super Bowl against
the Patriots, except this time they hold on to the
lead and then just go that direction. If you're a
(34:31):
Falcons fan, see if that works. Because if this doesn't work,
I don't know what to tell you. There's opportunity.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
When did that quote come out from Kirk Cousins about
filling mislay it? How long ago was that.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Red that was on the Netflix show? So it was
last year?
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Was it recorded during during the season? Was Michael Penicks
at No? I think Kirk Cousins was still the start? Okay, yeah,
from my understanding, so because there's a way to me
and I know we got to get up to a break.
But wouldn't you think that if if Kirk Cousins didn't
see Michael Pennix, like see him right, not like see
(35:11):
them like literally see them come in the room, but
like see who Michael Pennix is? Would you even say
something like that to the media? Would you say that
in an interview on a show that you know is
going to be used because that's going to be a
real quote. Would you say those things if you didn't
see Michael Pennis. If I saw a kid that I
didn't believe could beat me out, Am I going to
(35:32):
say I felt like I was misled when they drafted
this guy to take my job. So it kind of
like says to me, like, if you pay attention to
some of the small clues and put it in context,
it seems as though Michael Pennix has shown in that
organization that he can be the man. And it'd be
interesting to see if that plays out. If you see
that step forward, is he showed it in college, If
(35:55):
he can bring that element, that element of leadership, that
element of high achievement, the accuracy that he brings to
the table, if he can bring that to Atlanta and
you see that this year, then it's a rep for
Kirk Cousins unless something happens to Michael Pinnox.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on
Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you coming
up next, though lesson learn be careful who you run
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Speaker 6 (36:24):
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Speaker 1 (37:33):
Lap A good.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
More than everybody. Good morning, LeVar, Good morning, Jonas. Guys,
in case you miss it, let's head to Canada because
that's where everything's going down. How about Alberta, Canada? What
was the golf course deer horn hold on, I got
it right here, red deer, red deer, Alberta, Canada, where
a fight took place that went viral on the golf course.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yeah, they'll hear about it. It'll fight time.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
It is being investigated that former Florida Panthers enforcer Nick
Tarnaski was in an alleged fight with a fellow golfer
on the course and if you look online you can
find it easily. Uh he puts it makes short work
of the guy.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Have you guys seen this?
Speaker 1 (38:16):
The guy was running his mouth and he challenged this
dude to a fight. He was significantly smaller than him.
He sounded like he had been drinking, but you know Canadians,
so he wanted to throw down. And this guy just
wore him out, ragged alled him, hit him multiple times,
and he fought like a forcer, ragged doll. Yeah, and
he fought like a hockey player where you could see
(38:38):
him grab the guy's golf polo.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
And just start pulling him down to the hand That's
one thing I love about hockey players. They know how
to pull that that face down to the hand. You
like to push him in the lake first, by the way,
it is, uh, it's great. He threw him in the
water and the guy did, oh, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
It's great.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
But I mean it's another example of me.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Watch you, watching you, watch you.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
You run your mouth to and there's some people that
just don't get it. They just want to try guys.
It's like, all right, man, it's like road like you
ever seen somebody get bad road rage?
Speaker 5 (39:15):
Road rage me the other day, that the other literally
like two days ago. There's a guy that that cut
me off. We end up at the stoplight. I had
my windows I like him, had my windows down and
listen to music. Cut me off and he starts cursing
me out and I was like, hey, bro, is that
the type of trouble you want to type of he
(39:35):
was causing me. I was like, hey, man, go ahead
about your business. I got that burner right next to me.
Get out that car if you want to, damn just
scuff you up. I'm not getting out of his car anyways,
But you're right, like, you gotta be careful because you
don't know what people got going on these days. And
(39:56):
I'm not trying to get out the car and I'm
not trying to get hurt. Yeah, I hit you with
a kinetic round real quick. You gotta got.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Just so y'all know.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Oh, that's the LeVar. I gotta get the help before
he gets.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
The mele What else we got?
Speaker 7 (40:11):
Well, in case you missing, Angel Reese has beaten Caitlon
Clark that for the cover of the NBA two k
W n B A version.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
I think that's a topic we need. We might need
to tack with that topic. We might need to tackle that.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Top Yeah, Angel, why not?
Speaker 4 (40:30):
I was just joking.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Really, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
Maybe that might want That might be a topic worth discussion.
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Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.