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Jonas Knox, LaVar Arrington, and Brady Quinn preview Thursday Night Football between the Vikings and Chargers. LaVar explains why he believes Sean Payton is lying when he says that he wasn't taking shots at Russell Wilson last Sunday. Plus, is there an officiating scandal brewing in the SEC?!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with the air coming
up on this Thursday edition, Week eight in the NFL
kicks off later on tonight. We've got the Vikings, We've
got the Chargers. We're also going to have a conversation
about Sean Payton saying what I didn't know anything? Like,
what do you mean? I wasn't meaning that. We're gonna
see whether or not we buy into that and what

(00:21):
the story is when it comes to all the criticism
one Russell Wilson. We're also going to have a conversation
about Joe Flacco and maybe the most relatable quote of
the entire NFL season. We've got the very latest on
the dysfunction with the New York Jets. Albert Breer is
gonna stop buying if you want some scandals. Oh baby,
the NBA delivered. It's all yours. Coming up next here,

(00:43):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe on a Thursday,
Fox Sports Radio. Hey, thanks for listening to the Two
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Brady Quinn and myself Jonas Knox. Make sure you catch
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(01:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:17):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Well, I do have
some good news what.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
My new song requests are sent in, and I have
it on good authority that tomorrow will be the day
of debuts, okay, and it ain't gonna be around for long,
so hope you enjoy it. But it is two Pros
and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. You can listen
to us as always on the iHeartRadio app. You can

(01:57):
find us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country
and wherever you are making us a part of your
Thursday morning, we appreciate you doing so. We're gonna take
you all the way up until nine am Eastern time,
six o'clock Pacific, and good morning to you and yours. Okay,
good hey, I'm telling you tomorrow the new song's coming
and it's gonna be there for a week.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Who did you give your song to? I mean, Brady's
already out the gate.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Well, I emailed Ricky. He said he's not gonna be
until today.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, you're already out. I mean, what does it matter,
you're late to the party. But yeah, that's all right,
it's okay.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
What about you got it? Did you get yours?

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, film got it. I don't know, I was talking
trash now. I don't have a whole lot of confidence,
you know, So I'm just man, I'm gonna just steer clear,
you know. Yeah, just stay over here. Man.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Well mine's not very good. So well, I'm curious to
see what.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
I don't understand. Why would you choose a not so
good song.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
It's just appropriate, you'll see when you hear it, Like,
it's just appropriate. Like I said, it's got it's got
a week's uh lifetime on it, and then after that
it's over, it'll be done, beyond done.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Deal. That's where we did not come in with any
ounce of confidence.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
No, it's not because it's one of those things you think, oh,
that'll get people going, then you listen to it and go, No,
not really, not at all. Actually, like that's gonna be
it's gonna be a doozy, but.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
It might be mine too though, that really might be
mine as well. So you know, no worries, don't feel
bad about it. Just just live with your decision, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, we do have good news though.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Week eight in the NFL kicks off later to night.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
It's not Friday, kicks.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Off later on tonight, baby, Okay, at the world's largest gazebo,
Sofi Stadium. We got the Vikings, we got the Chargers,
and we got the La Chargers, a three and a
half point favorite. And if you're the Chargers, all you're
hoping for, can justin Herbert just get through the game
in one piece because he is running for his life. Recently,

(04:05):
they've lost three of four the Viking side of things.
JJ McCarthy is still out. He's missed twenty two of
twenty four possible starts in his NFL career. Whatever the
ankle injury was, seems like it's lasted a little bit
longer than maybe some people expected. And Carson Wentz is
gonna give it a go, all right.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Let me push back on that a little bit. They
said it was gonna be a six week injury. And
I believe for this week next week is about six weeks.
Who said it, well, that's a high ankle sprain, ask var,
like he's got ankles. I got ankles, Yes, six weeks,
high ankles, six weeks.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Man.

Speaker 6 (04:43):
It takes a while. Yeah, usually, like people tend to forget.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Usually, like remember Tua like in college, got those tight
the tightrope procedure, no bike chain.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
They go in the bike chain.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, and that's like that helped expedite the process to
get back sooner, create more stability. You know, that was
you know people. I don't know if people are doing
that as much anymore. But it takes about six weeks, man,
So this is about the time frame.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
And I think the other.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Thing is for JJ McCarthy, is you wanted to come
back and be one hundred percent healthy. I think there's
a lot of people who are curious, maybe some doubters.
Dare I say, of what he are doing? Yeah, trupid
because because you saw what Donald did last year, Wentz
has played well at times this year. I'm not sure

(05:32):
he's played the level of Donald last year, but you know,
if he goes out there and flops it's going to
create a bad narrative, and so you better go out
there at least be one hundred percent if there's a
lot of people who are curious whether or not he
can get the job done and be the guy.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Has Wentz been impressive enough during this stretch for there
to be a controversy if he doesn't play well, like
that's like out the gate? I think I think it
was a foregone conclusion, but lately I just don't. I
feel like when JJ McCarthy gets back, it will be welcomed.

(06:17):
And if he stumbles out of the gate, I don't
know that there would be as much pressure on him
now as there were a little bit.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
I would have said until this past week, Yes there
was gonna be pressure on him. He struggled versus Philly,
and that was that was his worst game starting for
the Vikings so far. So if you would have just
stopped and JJ would have went over as Philly, maybe
a different story, because Wentz has played pretty well.

Speaker 6 (06:47):
That was like his first like, oh okay, that wasn't
That wasn't good.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
He wasn't good.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
He's probably he's probably battling the demons.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
That was his franchise. He was supposed to be the guy,
and uh, there's Jalen her it's the one who replaced
him out there all of a sudden, slinging it around
and DeVante Smith going wild. So could have been some
mental stuff going on for Carson Wentz there trying to
get over get over all that that was going on.
I just wonder at one point because when JJ McCarthy

(07:16):
does come back, and I think some of the thought was, well,
if it wasn't a short week, maybe it would have
been more possible. Aaron Jones is coming off the ir
as well too. He's questionable at least according to the
latest report. But I wonder if when JJ McCarthy comes back,
you have to see what you got right. So I
don't know that there's not that this is a throwaway year,

(07:37):
but this is a we need to find out what
we've got in our quarterback year and whether that results
in a playoff spot or not. I think long term,
big picture, while they want to be competitive this year
and they'd love to make a run at it, they're
just trying to figure out whether or not JJ McCarthy
is the goods. That's at least I.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Think that's a legitimate I think that's a legitimate synopsis.
I definitely think that they they there's a want for one,
and that's that's always a great thing when when the
franchise wants to understand and wants to know what they
have in a drafted, a high drafted uh franchise possible

(08:15):
franchise guy for them at that position. So one, they're
gonna want to see what he can do when he
gets back, but they're also, to Q's point, gonna want
to make sure that he's ready to do that. So
if if it happens to not be the time frame
that was was maybe specified or put out there, you know, tentatively,

(08:39):
whatever it may be, they're gonna make sure he has
the proper amount of time to get one hundred percent healthy.
I mean, it does them no good if he goes
out there and and he he crumbles, you know, and
under under the the the ankle not being all the
way properly healed, or he doesn't play well because his

(09:02):
ankle isn't properly healed. And I think that that's going
to be the biggest measurement of how this all goes,
because that's a super important part of this right, Like,
you don't want to put him out there and position
him to fail because of the very conversation we're having
right now.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I did see this on Pro Football Talk. I can't
even believe it's a real stat. If Justin Jefferson gets
forty yards receiving tonight, he'll surpass Julio Jones for the
fastest to eight thousand in his career. That guy's already
at eight thousand career receivings. Yes, in eighty three games.

(09:41):
What the end?

Speaker 3 (09:41):
I mean, people just throw the ball these days.

Speaker 6 (09:43):
Man, Well, that's his talent. I mean, obviously it's part
of that.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
But I also I kind of give him some credit
to Kevin O'Connell's staff. I mean, that team knows how
to get him the football too. And just from talking
with KOC, one of the things he always says is like,
our entire game plan is built around Justin Jefferson and
how teams are going to play him. It sounds wild,

(10:07):
but when you talk to him, he's like, no, He's like,
we know in the first series, like how to get
him the ball, what we're gonna do offensively because of
how teams are going to either try to match up
with him, try to take him away, try to you know,
double them. Maybe they feel confident in the corner they
have and they'll leave him singled up. But he always
says like they do enough with him in that first

(10:29):
series where they know how teams are going to try
to play him. So it's it's obviously justin Jefferson's talent
and ability, but credit the staff too for figuring out
how to get him open, how to get him, you know,
as many.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
Targets as he gets.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
And what's amazing about that stat too, Think about the
number of quarterbacks he's been with.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
Yeah, like cousins for a period of time.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Now we've gone through a transition where it's been Darnold,
a little bit of JJ McCarthy, Carson Wentz. I mean
it's it's it's been a different, you know, different group
of quarterbacks. And I don't know what the future holds,
if it'll be JJ McCarthy or not.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, I don't think anybody knows that answer. Honestly, I don't. Again,
I don't know that JJ McCarthy knows that answer. But
I'll say this, Yeah, I'll say this. They got to
travel into California, They had to travel into California to
do this, and I think that that is to me,
I think these teams are pretty evenly matched. I will say,

(11:34):
you know, looking at where the Chargers are right now,
I mean they they got to write their ship too,
like they seem like they were really on the right
track to be in a dominant team. I mean, they
have some unfortunate losses to their roster, but I look
at this Chargers team and say, at least they had

(11:55):
the friendly confines of being home and see and if
they can do it here versus going on the road
to do it.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
Do you think just so they can feel like they're
having an away game?

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, I was gonna say there'll be more Minnesota VIKERSSA.
Did you think this is a home game for the Chargers.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
I don't think you're gonna hear the call horn in
the entire time.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Dang you think you're going to hear the horn?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh god? Oh yeah, skull chance it's over. Listen people
listening on the alle horn of the Twin Cities K
fan right now. Yeah, you don't worry. You will be
well represented out in Sofi Stadium, that's right, Dang well,
I mean, dude, Vikings fans too.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
They travel like I think I told you when I
was in Carolina call on a game. It was Carolina
first Minnesota, and they started banging that big drum in Carolina,
and all the Vikings fans started the collap They started
to do the skull chant, and then someone eventually had
to go over to the person for the Panthers who's
hitting the drum. They're like, don't, don't do that. It's
not a good look. Like Minnesota's overtaken our crowd, you know,

(12:58):
the like half the stands from Minnesota Vikings fans. Apparently
there's been like a migration from Minnesota to somewhere in
the Carolinas. So there's a lot of Vikings fans down there,
so be warmer. I guess the Vikings don't like the
cold anymore.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Huh yeah, I guess not.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
They'll be in southern California to drinking their beer, pillaging
their villages.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
There.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
You go watch watching the Southern Californians just roll over.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
The Vikings are Vikings, no bottle.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
It's about how things will go.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
They'll come right into Jonas's household. They'll they'll have their way.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Let me drinking his orange juice and making it in
the kitchen, naked, just drinking his orange juice.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Jonas.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
What's he gonna do about it?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Not? I need.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Damn thing, not a of orange juice, Jonas.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Although I would be I would tread like if you
come near my place. We took care of it. We
took care of a rat yesterday and it's a real one. Yeah,
it did not go as smooth as I thought it
was going to go.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
Real sound from l Sorry, I just hate.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Did sound like that? Did sound like Brady Quinn's Quinn's Wins.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Again.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
You will never be able to make certain sound effects.
That's all I would say.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
Wait, bust bursh do it again?

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Come on, Ray Ray play play Quinn's wins Quins wins.
That's not far off, that's what it sounds like. Far off.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Well man, I still can't believe that's you.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
I played it for my friend the other day. I
was like, I want to hear something.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Uh what did they say?

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Just shook their head? How many you know how many
of your fans on social media or jealous that Brady
got a drop that you authored and they didn't a
lot of upsets pokin. So do you guys know what
a tomcat trap is these things are sweet.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
So it's it's the rare one that like they walk
in and which one is it?

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Well, a couple, so Tomcat's the brand, but it's the
one that snaps down. It's the black one because I
don't like the one where they go in like the
little like almost like a cubby and the poison there
and they just they're too smart for that. Yeah, they
get stuck. So there's beginners and there's vets.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
You know, I don't know. Oh yeah, if you got one,
there's more than one.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
So I experienced that at my last crib. You know,
I told you about that Nicod Demons and all the
rest of his group. Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Well, and so they they'll come on like the back patio,
and we've had a few over the past few years,
and they'll come on the back patio and there's a
little hole to get in the back fence. And so
I'll set this trap up and I'll put peanut butter
in the little cup and then I'll prop it open.
And this latest one went in and somehow ate the

(16:04):
peanut butter out of the cup and it didn't go off,
and it pissed me off, and I thought, son of
a bitch. So then I was out to get him.
And so this time I just smeared peanut butter all
over the place. I put it everywhere. So I see
the traps moved yesterday, and yourself too, Oh yeah, come on, okay,
I mean, why was.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
You as long as yourself?

Speaker 1 (16:24):
I mean it's Wednesday night? Why not? So I figured,
so I set this trap up. I see that it's moved.
I'm like, oh, got him. He's right under the fence.
I go to pick the trap up and he's still alive.
But it got his back leg. He had crawled under
the fence and was chewing his way through a little

(16:45):
like garden bench that we had there. This thing chewed
this thing to pieces, fighting for his life, and I
really admired it so much so that you just throw
him in a in a Ralphs bag, little grocery bag
and just take it over there. Now, take it over
to the park and put it in the trash. And
if that thing is still going, he ain't got much
time left. So if you are one of these vikings
and you come into my house, you got to deal
with the tomcat trap. Okay, those things there's a ninety

(17:08):
five close rate on those ratios.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Man, that wasn't Nicodemus. You deal with Nicodemus. It's it's
gonna be harder. Man. I'm just telling you. I just
don't like you dealt with one of the little like
the FBS man. You know what I mean? Like yo,
you know, oh wow, that far? Yeah, that wouldn't it.
That wouldn't That wouldn't. That wouldn't a guy. You didn't
get the guy, bro. So we just know you're you're

(17:33):
gonna deal with with more of it. They don't. They
don't roll alone.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Man, you think of Berna would have h.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Work. It would have been fun work. I'll tell you that.
It would have been fun works. And if you could
hit see if you could hit it, how accurate you are?

Speaker 6 (17:49):
Well?

Speaker 1 (17:49):
What it was in the trap? Just put it down?

Speaker 3 (17:52):
What would let it out and bust a cap in
its ass?

Speaker 6 (17:56):
So you gotta rat just run and ramp it around
your place right now?

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Not anymore?

Speaker 6 (18:00):
So you did kill it?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well, I don't know if it's dead yet, but yeah,
I got it. It was stuck in the trap in
its back leg and I put it.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
In the it this morning before you do the radio.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Now yesterday.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, you put it in a bag.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
Yeah, in the trash.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah. No, not my movie, No, not my trash, the
park trash so all the kids can see it.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Was it was it a plastic bag or a paper bag?
Plastic bag? You are a menace, bro, Yeah, I mean a.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Little right through that.

Speaker 6 (18:29):
I don't know that. I bet.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
He got some shoes out.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
Yeah, you think suffocate Yeah. Is it air tight?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's a little teas. Little teas, you're not gonna be
able to get out of there, but there's enough air
to where he's gonna he's gonna watch his final moments.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
And rattit too.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
He's gonna be out of that thing, cooking up a
nice Italian meal somewhere in it.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well, if he does get out, God bless him, and
God speak because there's an owl the size of a
seven forty seven in our neighborhood that is looking for
things to eat. This thing is huge, and Alexa.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Damis is going to come free them. Man. I'm telling you,
it's like just like in the movie. It's gonna come
get them. Yeah, and then they're going to come get you.
What does it depends on you?

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Speaker 1 (20:59):
Two Pros and Up with Joe, Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. I was expecting
a different bounceback song here based on the conversation that
was just had during the break, because Lorena is all
full of piss and vinegar today she's out for blood.
I don't know what you're talking about. WHOA do not

(21:22):
mess with Loraina today. I tell you that right now.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
Right Ray, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Very fired up? I don't know what he's talking about.
Very fired up with the uh inability of something to
uh clean up their messes, so to speak. And I
don't blame her, to be honest with you, there's a lot,
a lot of stuff that's left behind for some reason.
There was a pink mic condom here, just nasty use

(21:51):
condoms man put it in the.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Trash, just nasty mike condoms.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
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Rack ones would be crazy though, and switched.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
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of in case you missed it, coming up here about
a little over fifteen minutes from now. We're kind of
speculating as to what Sean Payton's response would be following
Russell Wilson's tweet about uh Sean Payton's comments about wish
you would have put Jackson dart in after we played

(22:57):
you and I thought he would have really like taken
a dig at Russ and said, I think of something
along the lines. Well he's got a lot more time
on his hands to tweet now, But instead Sean Payton
responded with this yesterday when asked about it.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
The euphoria, the way that game unfolded, that was strictly
about dark. That was in no way, shape or form
anything that was directed at Russ. So and I might
be able to see how he might perceive that, but
coming off that win and watching how he played, yeah,
that that wasn't any intention at all.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
So cap what do you mean, cap Alert, I mean, here's.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
The thing is, what do you mean then, Like, what
do you mean by that? If well, you're gonna say
that and not really explained further, what.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (23:54):
I just I don't know. I don't get it, Like
he's not there, No way, I didn't mean that, But like,
why why'd you say it?

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Then there's no way for that. So what you wanted
them to have jameis Winston in there like like and
and by the way.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
You Tommy DeVito is not there anymore.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
It definitely was a I wish you would have kept
the lesser of the quarterbacks in the game. Like that's
it's an insinuation. It's an easy conclusion to draw, Like
come on, Sean, stand on the world.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Too, then stand on it and now he's trying walk
it back.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
It's like, all right, now Russell looks a lot better
in this case.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Oh, I could see how Russ would see it that way,
but there was no slight towards him. I was just
talking about the brilliance of Jackson Dart, Like then, just say,
Jackson Dart played really well, Like wow, the kid is special.
There's one hundred different ways he could have stated what
he said about Jackson Dart without it touching down where

(24:57):
a man felt compelled to take the X to respond
to what the man said, like that's just that's just
reality here. I don't think anyone, including Sean Payton, would
react like, oh, he's not talking about me, Like, you know,
if if Russ actually believed what Sean Payton was saying,

(25:20):
then he is delusional. There is something wrong with Russell
Wilson if he doesn't if he doesn't respond or feel
the way that he felt when he heard what what
Sean Payton had to say, there's no getting around that.
I don't know why he go cap on that, Like
maybe somebody told him that's the best decision. Just say it,
even if you don't mean it. But Sean Payton just

(25:42):
has never struck me as that type of guy that
would say something super soft like that after saying something
super directed in the first place.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Why do you think Russell Wilson always gets gets hit?
Like what really is going on?

Speaker 3 (25:59):
He's an easy target it.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
But why is it so easy?

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Though?

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I don't know, it's had a pretty pretty damn good run,
Like there's a lot, like you look at his career.
I think anybody would take that career like.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
A victim legion, a boot started it.

Speaker 6 (26:16):
Beyond that.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
I was only around him for a period of time,
but you know, he he does everything right. You know,
he's the guy that I think, I guess in all
seriousness from from my interpretation at the time that I
was around him, is I don't want to say guys
are jealous, but there was elements of that, like when
when Russ came in as a rookie provided his spark.

(26:40):
It was still a team that was largely defensive, had
Marshaun Lynch in the backfield with Mike rob and a
team that could run the football, and so even though
the team was driven on their defense running the ball,
he would make these spectacular plays where he'd scramble around
and find way of getting you know, the first down,

(27:01):
or find a way of creating a big play in
the passing game or using his legs.

Speaker 6 (27:06):
Again, this is.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Back twenty twelve or twenty thirteen, when they win the
Super Bowl twenty fourteen, they go to another one. You know,
you go back through those seasons and that was you
know what I was running in twenty thirteen, and I
think part of it was, you know, he just did
everything right. He came in, did his job, He said
all the right things, did all the right things. He
did everything in the community service. You know, he wasn't
going out partying a bunch that sort of thing. And

(27:27):
I think there was there's a little bit of like
he wasn't one of us in the sense of, you know,
he wasn't a guy to go out and have a
beer and drink with the boys.

Speaker 6 (27:40):
You know, whether that's the line or whether that's whatever.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Now, he'd have guys over like, he'd invite guys over
there and party whatever else.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
That's why he just eight rooms, you gotta go, you
got to go home.

Speaker 6 (27:53):
Yeah, maybe, but that was Denver.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
But but the point is he you know, he had
a way in which she handed himself very professionally. Like
I would say he was one of the more mature,
you know, young players that I had ever been around.
You know that I literally went from the Seahawks to
the Jets that year where Gino came in as a rookie,
and it was granted, you know, Russell had already been
in the league for a year, but it was polar opposites.

(28:17):
You know, Gina was still maturing as a young man
as a professional in particular throughout that year and kind
of understanding how to be a quarterback at that point.
And you saw the talent, you saw his ability. It
was just a matter of like him finding you know
what that took. And with Russ, like I think his
professional baseball experience really led him to like this very

(28:40):
professional way of conducting himself. You know, talk to people
at Wisconsin. That's how he was that one year at Wisconsin.
And so when you come in like that and you're
kind of you know, this this guy who everyone is
talking about. Everyone loves everyone, you know, once for this,
this and that. And Seattle's a unique place because there's
so many you know, headquarters of different corporations out there.
Like the marketing opportunities for branding and stuff are endless.

(29:04):
I mean they were endless, and he was able to
tap into all that. And I think it bothered some
of the guys on the team because they kind of
felt like we are stars. We're at times carrying this
team for the majority of games, but it's like those
splash players that are getting all the attention.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
I think.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
So I think that that to me was kind of
part of it. And I think like as things went on.
There was obviously some fractures in like the disconnect there
and the success and playing and all that too.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
I think when you're that type of guy that you
just explained, I think in the locker room, it could
go one or two ways. And it could go the
way of what you're saying. It could could be like
the jealousy of it or the you know, why aren't
we getting the credit, But it could also be that's
my guy, like that's my dude, Like that's to me,

(29:54):
it's that's that's overachiever syndrome. Right, Like Russ is an
overachiever and and he's probably always has had that type
of approach and mentality, and and when you have that
type of approach, it can turn people off. It can't
like the whole you know, if we recall when he

(30:16):
had dudes trying to say run pass on the sideline
like he didn't. He probably meant nothing by it other
than to try to help the team.

Speaker 6 (30:26):
But exactly, but that's how he is. But people won't
accept that.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
But they won't accept that, and it's it's they'll look
at it as like that's a bit much, or he's
being extra, or he's playing in a different sandbox and
I'm a popp him in his mouth if he says
something like that again, like where he's coming at us,
like farm your own yard, Like it can come across
in a way where it can create those types of feelings.

(30:54):
And that's the only you know. To me, When I
look at Russ, I think why he becomes a tart
of people coming at him that way? It's for everything
you just said, But how does he like how does
I guess when you're that type of person, you either
got to live with it and just be like, look,
this is how I am. This is how I handle things,

(31:17):
and everybody isn't going to like it, but this is me,
or you got to know how to communicate with people,
and you gotta you gotta identify like your personnel, like
who does this work with? Who does it not work with?
And I don't know that he does that. I don't.
I don't know that Russ has a filter. It just
doesn't come across as he has a filter. I think

(31:38):
he's he's totally into who he is. Otherwise you wouldn't
be able to wear a shiny suit and shiny shoes
to a football game. Like there's certain things that he
does that, you know, it shows like the quirkiness of
his personality. Then everything going to get down with that,
you know, And that's just part of it.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
You guys have told me worries about and not that
it would ever go on the air or whatever, you know,
get outside the conversation. We've had, but stories about people
in sports, athletes, coaches, whatever, and what they're really like
behind closed doors as opposed to what the media sees
like like real actual stories that you guys have both told.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Me and real a holes behind the scenes, but but
super super on in front of the camera on the
microphone hundred percent. And my feeling, I've been around dudes,
I've interviewed dudes. I won't say no names. John Wall
like where he was cool as hell on in the interview,
he was cool in an interview.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
He was not cool.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
He was not cool before or after the interview.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
But but here's here's why I bring that.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Maybe it was he was socially awkward. Because I always say,
you gotta like you don't know these people.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
But that but this is why I bring it up.
So those there are those examples, and those are all real.
But you don't have never hear about that stuff with Russ.
This stuff's public. It's Richard Sherman, it's Tony Gonzalez, it's
other people in Seattle. It's Sean Payton taking swipes at
him like it's open season on him. And if you'd

(33:14):
ask somebody like, so what does he do wrong? Like
people really have a hard time finding what it is.
Yet there's there's true a holes walking around the sports
world in the sports landcapy, But I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
It's just kind of like make that conclusion because again,
like you're saying, if the behind the scenes aspects of
him and their their experiences with him say what you're
just saying, then that's probably why they go at him.
You know, like you don't know it unless that's your
your relationship that you had with him. But what we

(33:46):
do know is he's relevant enough where people do it
can be like there has to be a relevance to
the person. Can we be all this stuff to even matter?
And can we be fair? Though if the Legion of Boom,
like do we really want to do a deep I
have on the background checks of the Legion of Boom, like.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
You want to go down that road?

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Compare to.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Like whether it's a chance.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Well that's that's what I'm saying, is it comes off
as like people don't feel like that's who he is
because you know, get it, you don't see many people
like that, and all be honest, you know, when I
was around Russ, I was like, all right, like this
is just kind of who he is.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
This is how he's wired, this is how he's geared.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
And you know, I was around a lot of interesting
personalities during my time, like Tim Tebow is another one,
and and and then they're both very similar in the
sense of, like I think where they lose their teammates.

Speaker 6 (34:42):
And this is like one of the things that I.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Just felt is when you can't go out and have
a beer with your guys, you know, And it sounds
like something kind of maybe stupid to some, but it's
real if you can't go out and grab some beers
like like, that was one of the things I loved
about Marshaun Lynch.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
And I'm not saying I'm not advocating for like drinking necessarily, Lord.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Knows our shows how it's bouts with that, But I'm
just saying, like there is something as a culback to
going out and grabbing some beers with the lineman and
that all of a sudden, like Marshawn and Mike Rob
always did. Like when the lineman would go out, you know,
Max Sunger, some of the dudes would go out, Like
those guys would come out and they'd come meet him,

(35:23):
and like that was one of the things I respected
most about Marshawn was his line was somewhere. He was there,
and that like equity mattered, you know, for Marshawn, for
Mike Rob, like those guys were beloved because they'd be
there and like, and I'll be honest with you, it
was important enough to me where you know, I was
out there, and like I remember one night we went

(35:44):
to a club and I swear to you, I was
like so tripped out and I drank enough where I
was probably buzzed, but not like drunk, and I remember
looking around the club thinking, man, everyone here is on
something like I had not been to like a club
a while, and it was like it was like people

(36:05):
were zombies doing I don't know what. I don't know
what everyone was on, but it was like it was small,
it was something and I just I'm sitting there kind
of like all right, I'm gonna like back myself into
a corner where I feel like I'm in.

Speaker 6 (36:19):
A safe space in case there's a the apocalypse right now.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
But in all seriousness, like I had to make myself
feel uncomfortable in order to like be around the teammates.
And then at one point I realized, like you know,
people were kind of peeling off, and I was like,
all right, Like now I got to figure out the
proper time to get out of this situation and go home.
But again, that's like it's kind of part of your
job as a quarterback. If you're not doing that, or

(36:46):
you're not finding ways to connect with their teammates like that,
I think it subjects you to, you know, being a
guy that takes shots sometimes from them because you don't
feel relatable.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
You know, you don't feel like one of them.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
And it's a fine balancing because it also just not
it may not be who you are, right You may
not be a guy who wants to go out and
do that or wants to waste time and do that.
But in all honesty, that's kind of part of team
building a little bit for you know, a quarterback on
a football team.

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Speaker 1 (38:38):
And for that we turn it over to our executive producer,
the one and only Ryan Berschinger Bursch. What's happening?

Speaker 8 (38:43):
Good morning, guys.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Hi Bursch, Hi Hi h.

Speaker 8 (38:48):
So let's let's start off here. According to I don't
think thank you, LeVar is real smooth, all right, okay.
According to an outlet Yellowhammer News, this is a news
outlet out of Alabama, a report is out there that

(39:08):
veteran SEC official Ken Williamson has been permanently suspended from
officiating conference games. The decision to remove the longtime referee
comes in the immediate wake of an SEC review of
eleven complaints against Williamson and his crew during the Auburn
Georgia game earlier this month. According to sources, nine of
those complaints were validated by conference officials. I'm looking to

(39:30):
see if there are other outlets who are backing up
this report right now. This is just coming from Yellowhammer News,
but an interesting and interesting development in the SEC.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
I mean, it's a lot of BIS calls, there's a
lot of Uh, there's gotta be more to this story,
Like there's other examples of this or is it just
this one game they're citing for controversial calls because, I mean,
other outlets are running with it. So I'm just wondering,
is there more to the story.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
Yeah, you got a lot of Is this your story? Jonas?
I feel like this is like a story you made.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
No I was. I was unaware of this. I found it,
it came out, came out earlier this morning.

Speaker 6 (40:12):
I mean, you found it.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Maybe there is unaware of it, but you found it.
I found it. I found the other outlet burst Burst
tipped me off to it, and I found it on
the New York Post, who had had something on it
as well too. They posted it a short time ago.
So so who found Burst found it?

Speaker 3 (40:27):
And you went and looked at it.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
And then I found another source who had it as well.
How do you find it? Christ if he already found it,
how do I? How did I find it? Yeah, well
it wasn't lost.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
You just went and looked at it.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
So I found another article on it.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
You saw another article, Yes, yeah, so I found You
didn't find it. You were aware of the article. You
are aware where of the story, so you went and
read it. But it was a different article.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
So because like, you're not in studio. So what I
did is, I was like looking it up.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
That's going to be ten dollars.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
I was looking up on my computer. Well you can
find that. I was looking it up on my computer,
and I saw it on the New York Post. So
I'm just wondering. Maybe my point is maybe there's some
gambling stuff going on here, you know, maybe that's why
the suspension is happening. You know, maybe some people are wondering.
You know, there's nine eleven missed calls in a game.
Maybe there's a there's some further investigations going to be

(41:24):
done on this. That's what I'm thinking about.

Speaker 6 (41:26):
I just love how you go to the worst case scenario.
It's all it's got to be gambling. It's got to
be an inside job.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Try to that's what we do, So.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
That's what you do.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
I hate them.
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