August 2, 2022 • 39 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the public outcry about Deshaun Watson’s 6-game suspension will likely lead to an appeal from the NFL. AJ Brown displays some bitterness towards the Titans after he, Deebo, Metcalf and McLaurin all got paid. And In Case You Missed It, Wentz’ tough day at camp, Tiger turns down the money and Kadarious Toney brings the fun to training camp.
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn Jonas knocks. Coming up on this
Tuesday edition. More fallout from the Deshaun Watson suspension was
six games enough, some speculation that the NFL might not
think so. We're also gonna have a discussion about somebody
who can't get over their X in the NFL. More
comments even after a pay day, the Great John Paul Morose,
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he's gonna stop by. We're gonna talk about MLB's trade deadline.
Coming up later on, We've got another edition of incase
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Tuesday morning. We appreciate you doing so we're going to
take you all the way out until nine am Eastern time,
six o'clock Pacific. It is a huge day here on
the show, guys, huge day. Yes, it is Fox Sports.
It is Fox Sports Radio. Is now joined by Berto
because Berto was back. Berno is back in the building.
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How about it? Yeah, Berta, the band is back together. Uh, yeah,
it's been a while. I mean last time, last time
Burno was here, Deshaun Watson wasn't suspended at all, and
yet here we are. We've got a six game suspension.
So you missed out on so much burning. Somebody said
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he was that Is that the quickest one? I think? So? Yeah,
the Tijuana watsa, that's you are a class act. That's act.
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So so Burno's back. We're obviously happy to have him.
Uh and uh. And of course the Deshaun Watson saga
continues on here. So now that we have had about
twenty four hours to digest the decision, they came down yesterday,
in the final hour of the program, we were on
the air the six games spension. Do you guys believe
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that the NFL, who has said they're looking into possibly
appealing this and they've got three days to do it
now about two days left, do you think the NFL
appeals this or we just roll with six games moving forward?
I think the public outcry has almost led me to think. Now, yesterday,
I didn't think either side would, at least that's what
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you know. Reportedly. We knew the n f l p
A DeShawn Watson's camp wasn't going to and we and
I thought we had heard from the NFL saying something
similar maybe a week or two ago when their decision
was kind of wrapped up. But Suell Robinson was really
taking her time and I think almost asking the NFL,
n f l p A, and Shaun Watson's crew to
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come to some sort of settlement before she she gave
her her verdict, if you will. So I kind of
thought that I know and maybe they'll they'll both just
kind of deal with this new process of deciding the punishment.
But there has been a lot of public outcry and
this was not a news dump on a Friday, where
it goes over the weekend and it goes in the
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next week, and people sometimes tend to move on. This
happened on a Monday morning before nine am. We actually
got to, you know, be a part of that, a
little bit of breaking the news. And it's gonna continue
to snowball and build, I think as the week goes on.
And and so given that, I almost I almost think
it's it would be impossible for the NFL to not
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appeal something and say, Okay, we reportedly wanted a full year,
let's try to settle somewhere in between where we say ten, eleven,
twelve games. So it looks more putative because at this
point everyone's kind of now lining up and going this
is a disgrace given the unprecedented nature of all of
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the allegations, all the women who were impacted by this,
and and we know they've settled, but still, given the
unprecedented nature of this, you can't compare it to things
in the past. And that's probably the thing that stands
out the most about this judgment by Suel Robinson is
she was quoted saying she's bound by the standards of
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the fairness and consistency of the treatment among players similarly situated,
which when you read that, you go, well, who's ever
been in a similar situation? Don't don't compare it to
Ben Roethlisberger, don't compare to Zeke Elliott, because no, no
one has had this many people, has this been this
predatory and has had this many issues. And so she's
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almost using the out of well, this is what you've
agreed to in the c b A, and I'm gonna
rule based on that, because you know, otherwise it's unfair
to Deshaun Watson. I gotta be honest with you. I
don't care if it's unfair to Deshaun Watson. He put
himself in his position, and it's unprecedented. She should be
able to go out on a limb and say I
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think you should it should be suspending ten or twelve
games or maybe the full season, and not blink and
eye and think that this is gonna be, you know,
something that people are gonna be like, No, that's too harsh.
I mean it is. It's bizarre the fact that with
with six games now looking at it and and the
public outcry at least what I've heard read from it,
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and being around a bunch of people listening to the
kind of their response to it. It would be interesting
to see if the NFL doesn't decide to appeal this.
I think that's complex. I think it's complex based off
of of what what you just stated. Q. I think
it's complex because this is a corporation that held an
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internal hearing to decide what the punishment was going to be.
She gave her she gave her reasoning. And it's interesting
because going into it, the NFL did say that they
weren't going to to appeal or or challenge her decision.
It almost appeared to me that was why she was
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chosen to take the case. She They they felt like
they chose the most credible here we go, here we
go independent arbitrator to do this. So now the the
burden of of of giving a a punishment a recommendation
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was placed on not only this arbitrary leader, but a
woman arbitrator. So when everything shook shook out, and and
and and the the you know, the conclusion came down.
I just I think people can be as upset as
they want to be, but I think the reality that
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exists here is that whether they want to be upset,
whether it sets a horrible precedence, which it does, um
whether whether it's one of those things that you look
at and you say to yourself, this is what a
person can get away with and actually be rewarded with.
I mean the example that that's sending to other players,
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this example that it's sending to college players or high
school players. It's like, basically, you can get away because
there's probably there. I mean, you gotta believe that there's
some can't get rights out there that that saw this
and believe that they now too can get a way
with with handling things the way that that Deshaun Watson
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handled things. And maybe not in the massage area, but
in other areas. I think it's very dangerous in a
real way, what what this decision represents because of of
basically he's been he's been rewarded. He gets a six
game vacation on a new team with a guarantee contract,
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gets to go through training camp in preseason and and
and and learn, watch and learn like that that he
gets it's it's like the most ideal situation for a
new player going into a new situation. I just you know,
but for what it's worth, But for what it's worth.
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She she went through the process and she did not rush.
She did not rush like she took a while. And
and I agree. I think she did say or or
put out there that these these cases needed to be
settled um and and handled and put the bid. And
I think that's why they moved so quickly to do it.
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And I don't know that the NFL can can undo
what people are feeling, Like if they come back and say,
all right, it's going to be ten games, I don't
think it. The damage is done. The damage is done,
and they might as well if if it's if it's
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me and I'm sitting in those meetings, I'd say, listen,
we told you we put the case into this arbitrator's hands.
The arbitration process has played out. You know what people
were upset when O. J. Simpson was was declared innocent.
You know, there was outcry on that what what precedence
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does that set? What? Like how horrible is that he
was convicted of a civil courtlong, yeah, the civil civil
but the big the big, the big boy, you know,
the criminal kids. He was found you know, the glove
didn't fit and they acquit it. So you know, I
just I just think that they always prepare. I mean,
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why not, why not because the bottom someone and then
one didn't one allegedly murdered someone. And we're also not
talking about a criminal court of law, that this doesn't
have anything to do with law. And but but that's
that's my point. But my point is is that that
the public is always going to be upset. There's always
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not because if if if they had said ten and
twelve games or a season, yes, there would not be
an outcry yes there. I mean, it's it's it's I mean,
we could argue it, but we'll never know, and we'll
never know unless it it happened. Well, if the NFL
appeals it, because it actually then goes to an arbitrator
that is Roger, that's where the arbitratar. But then that's
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that's that's I think that's messier. I think it becomes
messier if Roger Goodale, your good Dale unseats what the
arbitrator that was brought in Dudds has done. I think
it makes a messier I think I think it undoes
them more. I think the NFL is in a spot
to where they have to appeal because and I think
the Browns helped them get to this spot because and
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you mentioned not only was he suspended six games, but
also rewarded. I mean, one of the big talking points
for a lot of people is wait, so he's gonna
get forty five million dollars still this year, So he's
getting like So, I think the Browns and the way
they structured this has put the NFL in a spot
to where the NFL has to appeal it, if anything,
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just to give the appearance that hey, we're with you
on this, we think this is ridiculous. Let us at least,
you know, a show a little bit of something here.
Just the arbitrator. Let's let's get a few things right. Swell.
Robinson is not the arbitrtar in this case. She's what
the NFL considers a disciplinary officer. Now, once they would appeal,
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then it would go to an arbitrator that happens to
be Roger Goodell in that instance. So that's the actual
structure of the decision making process. Sue L. Robinson is
now who the NFL and NFL p A have anointed
in this new process to be the disciplinary officer. So
when these issues come up, that's who they go to.
She's not really an arbitrator. It would be who Roger
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Goodell would kind of fulfill that role in it appeals
process of this sort of decision, just to make it
like clean as far as how it how it works.
Can I ask this? Can I ask this? If this
is the clean way of doing it? And why didn't
Roger Goodell just do it in the first place? I mean,
am I am I asking the past right? And is
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am I? Am I in the wrong for thinking for
something as big as this, just get in there and
say you did it. Whether you didn't do it or
you did do it in the court of law, I
don't care you did it, We're gonna sit you down
for a year. Why not just do it? Well? How
do we got to go through all of this? Because
to me, now, if that's the case, if if what
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what you're saying right now, Q, that's shenanigans to me,
to me, that's shenanigans and saying for giving you a
year suspension? Yeah, I think what the NFL wanted to
do was create a process with the NFL p A
where they take a step back. Because if you'll recall
when Roger Goodell first took over as commissioner, jewelry, well,
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the the the ability to impact players with whatever, however
they're off the field actions with whatever it was under
the player of conduct policy had always existed within the
c b A, but it had never been enforced the
way Roger Goodell enforced it. And and so he became
out as the judge jury execution and all that. Well,
you know, that was that happened for a long time.
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The problem became is I think the NFL realized, like,
wait a second, we're taken on, you know, something press
probably bigger than we ultimately wanted to because it's complicated,
as you kind of pointed out, like you know, there's
the civil cord, there's the criminal court. There's times when
you're trying to wait for all these things to sort
themselves out before you issue a punishment to a player
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based on their conduct within the c b A. And
that's complicated. So they kind of said, hey, let's annoying
someone who's a third party and that both sides can
agree upon saying, we believe this could be the new
NFL disciplinary and officer. She's not someone that's necessarily within
the structure of the NFL. She's you know, a former U. S.
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District judge that we both feel comfortable with in determining
the punishment for these sorts of things. And look and
if and if we don't like it, each side has
the opportunity to appeal. But our trump card is that
appeal ultimately comes back to Roger Goodell, because you know,
and then that's something that came in the last CBA
and uh c b A. It's one of those things
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they snuck in there. So it's always been their trump cards.
And look, that's been the NFL. They're they're always gonna
operate from a position of power when they can. But
in this instance, you know, I think it allows them
the opportunity to do what you're saying, where if they
don't like what she came up with, they could basically say, well,
we're gonna appeal this for X, Y and Z, and
this is the punishment now that we believe Shawn Watson
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should get. It's almost like they can test out due
to the public outcry and how things look and then
look like the good guys at the end. I just
don't know how they look like the good guys when
they deem it like this is what they've allowed to
take place. You deem it like this is it, this
is your process, So why not just this is a
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big deal. Everybody knew this was a big deal coming
into it. That's why we've talked about it at nauseum.
It's a big deal. I'm more shocked by I'm just
gonna say this, Sue L. Robinson being a woman and
this being her verdict, and like reading the language that
there were some tea leaves that came out in the
conclusion and of her you know, sixteen page of the decisions,
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some of that started to come out. Tom pell Sero,
pel Sero, you know, you know, put something stuff out there.
I'm more surprised by the language within that and how
she came to that fairness of it, like what and
she and by the way the way she worded some
of her explanation as to how she came up with
the suspension. It wasn't like she said, yeah, look, you
know he's I feel like, you know, there's not enough there.
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She acknowledged, no, no, no, no, no, there's an issue
that that's why in put in place for the remainder
of his career, not allowed to go see anything other
than a team, uh than a massage therapist as as
you know, through the team, like not like some of
the other stuff that she put in there to where
the guy clearly had a little bit of an issue
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and she pointed that out to make sure, hey, this
is not like nothing happened here. She found that the
NFL provided enough evidence and I think three of the
cases or in a few of the cases where they
provided enough evidence that there was something there, that something happened.
And that also Deshaun Watson wasn't totally truthful with Hey, Jonas,
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you want to know what's funny about that comment that
that he has to go through the team. Seemingly some way,
somehow he was possibly connected to going through the team
with with the Texas. That's why they had to saddle
with thirty different people. That's so it sounds that's a nine. Well,
how do you enforce it? I mean, in all honesty,
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if he goes home and he wants to have whoever,
call whoever, Instagram message whoever, how does it stop any
of it? And you can sit there and say, well,
you know they're gonna have the messages and all the stuff.
It might not be from DeShawn Watson directly. This time
I mean like, it's that's why what I think when
I look at the punishment and how it really what
does it change? He got fifteen million dollars, he got
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fifteen million dollars two days ago. You know what it changes,
would sages? It changes his outlook, It changes his outlook
on how he approaches doing because let me tell you something,
maybe I've been blocked. I don't know. I could care
less about if he blocked me or dock so I
didn't check to know. But it just says to me,
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if you get awarded that amount of money, that type
of contract after telling a team I'm not going to
play for you the year before you shit out, you
watch and you get six games that you're going to
sit out, No fines, no penalties, six games that you're
going to sit out. That says to me, you know what,
I have clarity on who I am as a person
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and how I want to do things, and I can
guarantee you. And that man's little mind of his, he's
probably thinking he's done absolutely nothing wrong and has been
given the green light to believe that that some way,
sickly is somehow true. He quit on his team. He
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is a pervert and he got rewarded two million dollars. Guarantee.
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on fs ARE. Brother, I am sore man. First day
training camp are funny as hell? What I am? Sore
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as hell? First day, baby, that's cute. Okay, all right,
what we put the pads on yesterday? Okay, Chopper, I
saw I saw something. It's a modern day. It's a
little modern day yesterday. Okay, Chopper, I'm down here for it. Okay.
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Oh man, I ran yesterday for the first time probably
in like three years. You have a bump me, though,
don't you. We'll hold on now, jonas Ki bro I
have a bum. I have a bum body yesterday. I'll
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tell you I can still move. I don't doubt that
I could still move. I was shocked, but I pay
I'm paying for it. Yeah. But that's like the country song,
you know, like I ain't as good as I once was,
but I'm as good once as I ever was. Yeah,
I could see that. No, no, no, no, it's it's
it's more like if you had to once right now,
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you get out there and get after it, but like
it just would be hard to do it, like plays
in row Man. You should have saw my defense yesterday. Man,
it's pretty. They were pretty. They I mean, they looked fast,
they looked crisp, you know. Was it tales matter? Man?
Was it the first day in pads for you guys?
Yesterday as well, we weren't in pats You really did
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do training camp. Well, I went down to I saw
motter Day. Oh yeah, you're in CALLI Yeah, I got
we got our seminars for for Foxes everything. So we're
we're way down south, way down south, Orange County. That's
in Santa Anna. He's in Orange County. Okay, all right,
sweet Modern Day. That's like so, so what you're saying
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is is that your your college tour pretty much. But
their lim are gigantic, enormous. It's unbelievable their college and
they look and they have and they have offensive giant
huge lineman and defense of giant huge lineman. Are they
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the number one high school in the country. You know what,
There's a team in Baltimore called St. Francis that has
the same exact thing going on is them, and they've
gotten pretty good. I mean, that's one of those teams
that is in the conversation. Then you got Modern Day,
you got you got Bosco. You know Los alamidos Is
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is actually um considered to be one of the top
top top teams this year as well. Then I m
G is always going to be in the conversation as well.
So yeah, but I mean Modern Day is the that
they're the standard. They have another quarterback. They had a
little bit of they had a little bit of drama.
They got a really good quarterback. Actually he's he's returning
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for I believe it's a senior year. Um. But he
was really good last year. Um. But you know they
had that little deal going on with with the hazing
and all that stuff. But I mean Rolo coach Rolinson man,
he's uh, he built a empire there. Bro So according
to gold Standard, according to Max Preps, uh, modern Day
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is one. Westlake in Texas is to following, followed by
Servitu yep and so yep, and then Virgin Catholic and
then St. Johan. I was just testing you guys. I
knew that clearly, all right. I'm a high school football
you know, that's what I do. The Golden Domers they
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got golden helmets too. Yeah. Well they're not like my
Golden Domers, you know, well they're not that that's not
there's only one true Golden Dome, you know. Yea, what
was what was the segment about? Again? What did you
tease last second? You know, we we will we will
get to that because somebody is not over their X
in the NFL apparently. Two Pros and a cup of
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Joe Here on Fox Sports Radio, coming up in a
little over twelve minutes from now, we are going to
have an update. There's a brand new quarterback with a
brand new team, but the same old issues are happening.
So we're going to get into that for you about
twelve minutes from now. Like that, that's what I do.
It's so easy, though, what do you mean, I don't know.
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I mean, you'd rather be redo it? I could give
you a better one. No, why would you not give
your best? Well, I mean, I don't know if you
guys are ready for the fastball this early in the morning,
right coming up in about twelve minutes from now here
on fs are If things play out the way they
are so far, for one quarterback in the NFL, his
career could be over before you know it. Twelve minutes
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from now here on Fox Sports Radio, patic what's my rule?
Brady on teasing? Oh, it's it's always that's the move, listen,
That's why I mean, look, I'm just trying to I'm
just trying to get people to lay down with me.
You know what, I mean that ruin your reputation. By
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the way, clearly did him pay millions upon millions? That
is there? That is fair? By the way, one of
the affiliates that carries this program, our friends in Nashville
on one or four or five the zone obviously, Uh,
Titans tighten up, Mike Rabel and company looking forward to
(25:24):
another season with King Henry and they've got Ryan Tannehill
and everybody's fired up there. Um well an X A J.
Brown who's now with the Philadelphia Eagles. Uh, he's looking
around and he's seeing some of the other wide receivers
from his draft class who have all gotten paid by
their current teams. Uh and uh, and he has taken
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notice of it. So Deebo, Samuel, DK, Metcalf, Terry McLaurin
all got deals to stay with their team. And after
Debo's deal came out, A J. Brown took to Twitter
and said, so, basically, all four of us got the
same contract, and I'm the only one got traded. I
keep believing it was me anyway, Go Birds. So apparently
he's not over the situation in Tennessee in which he
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got traded. I feel like he got paid. What's the
problem here, And if Tennessee wanted to make the move
in Philadelphia was going to give him a couple of
draft picks and they were gonna have an opportunity to
potentially replace him. I mean, did did Tennessee make the
wrong move here? If if Traylan Burke's works out, and
he's supposedly he's had a strong campus far, what's the issue.
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I mean, I don't I don't see anything wrong with
what Tennessee did, but A. J. Brown apparently has still
got a red ass about it, and so bottom and look,
trail On Burt's has lots of proof. I mean, A. J.
Brown did have the best season last year, but he
also wasn't helped, you know, didn't play aff sixteen games
or seventeen games for that matter. Um, But you know, look,
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I don't understand really why you know, players hold a
grudge unless it's more of the fact that, yeah, maybe
he's better because he wanted to stay in Tennessee. He
liked to live in Tennessee and he didn't you know,
not that he's saying he doesn't want to be in Philly,
but you know, most players would rather, especially if they
like the place they're drafted into they'd rather stay there,
you know, I've been traded. It's it's a it's a
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tough thing to digest because it's almost like it's not
that you're necessarily even breaking up because you're still under
you know, in most cases other you know, unless you're
in a j Brown situation where you get traded, you
get you a new contract, but in most cases, you're
traded under that contract, so you're just being shipped off,
and it's it's all on the other side, to the side.
So there's a lot of like kind of emotional baggage
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that goes along with that, Like not only are you
saying like I'm not good enough for you, but now
you're sending me to a place that like I didn't
have a choice in going. You know. It's like imagine
that sort of scenario in a relationship where you're like, yeah,
I don't I don't want to do this anymore. I know,
by the way, you've got to move to Alburquerque, New Mexico.
All right, you cannot stay here anymore. You can't live
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in l A, getting southern California. You have to go
to Alburquerque. And you're so easily replaceable we're just gonna
draft another guy from Yeah, gonna We're gonna bring someone
right in right here in southern California, I just to
replace you. So it feels like a little more bitterness
um on his side, which she has nothing to be
bitter about. He obviously got paid. He's in a situation
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with the team that I think is you know, on
the rise. I meant, bar you think they're gonna win
the division. So yeah, I think the division. I mean,
I don't know why I don't always bitter about like,
I think there's a better chance, even though the AFC
South is bad, I still think there's a better chance
that Philly, you know, could maybe make something happen and
make a run in the NFC. Then you know what,
I think the Tennessee Titans bring to the table. But
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maybe I'm wrong in that assumption. But I don't know.
I don't think you are at all. I think it's
I think that's not that's not a bad push put
out there type of deal. Listen, no player that is
a supreme superior competitor is gonna be okay when something
like that happens. And and keep in mind taking a
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step further, not he didn't get to choose the ten
to see Titans. They chose him, you know. So it's
kind of like that's the pros though, right, You don't
get the opportunity to to to choose unless you become
a free agent. And and if you became a high
profile free agent, then maybe things work out for you
the way that you want them to work out. But
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it just you know that that doesn't that just does
not leave a good taste in your mouth, so to speak.
When when it when a franchise, you know, chips you
off and it is a value deal, like if you
feel like you're not being valued, people handle things differently,
(29:40):
you know, but franchise handle things differently as well. They
might look at the value proposition like there's this whole
thing and in in uh corporate America, it's you're always
looking for better talent at a lower price, Like that's
part of the business model. Now, some businesses may appro
to differently and and it may fit their model to
(30:04):
to go after higher price talent and pay that high
price talent top dollar to do what it is you
acquire your talent and that talent comes in and you
get an r o I on on what it is
that you're doing, and it works. But for the most part,
like listen, man I was I was the number two
overall draft pick in the draft. They were drafting linebackers
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and and they were bringing in linebackers every year, and
and you know that the idea of it is is
that at some point they're gonna have to start talking
about if I play well, they're gonna have to start
talking about how much that's gonna cost for a linebacker,
not not a quarterback, not a receiver, for a for
a linebacker. Right, So it's it exists with every single position.
(30:54):
You know, you you hire highly trained staffs to be
able to fine talent and in places where they can
bring them in and you could possibly, you know, replace
replace a guy that that makes top dollar. It's funny
because if you look at if you look at Dallas,
(31:15):
Tony Pollard is would be the perfect example of being like, oh,
you know, we could get rid of Ezekiel. You know,
we could get rid of Zeke because we get more
out of Pollard than we will would get out of
Zeke at this point, like, let's ship him off. But
that's not Jerry Jones is that's not his model. You
know he likes to he likes to pay his guys,
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but some franchises just don't handle things that way. Can
I give you guys a date to mark down a
week in the NFL? To mark down? What week? Week thirteen?
That's alone time, all right, It's x IS week all
right now, Now get a load of this schedule. We've
got Washington and the Giants, all right, So that's LaVar's
(31:58):
two axes going head to add We've got the Titans
and the Eagles. That's a J. Brown getting some revenge
on his former team. Hold on, I mean it continues on.
We've also got Brown's Texans. Obviously we know Deshaun Watson. Okay,
a big time we got we got we got, we
(32:21):
got the Bob the Bobby Wagner revenge games, Seahawks Rams,
and we've got Mike McDaniel's revenge game because we got
the Dolphins and the forty Niners. And on Monday Night
the Jamis Winston revenge game Saints Bucks. How bad X
week in the NFL A sketch bag. I'm just trying
(32:42):
to understand how that I get him, like, because the
Giants rich excuse me, I oh my god. It all
game because it's your ex is Come on going that, Dad, Well,
why didn't you find an accuse? Uh? All the former
(33:06):
teams just because I could keep it tabs. Have you
seen how Johan Dotson is looking? Oh he's he's looking legit.
It's amazing. They could be something, man, I'm telling you
really good. Uh. The Commandos, baby, I think they're going
to finish second in the division. Big tis big times.
They might mess around him with it. They might. It's
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He's already a billionaire. Though as far as net worth, right,
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How about it? Yeah, Berta, the band is back together. Uh, yeah,
it's been a while. I mean last time, last time
Burno was here, Deshaun Watson wasn't suspended at all, and
yet here we are. We've got a six game suspension.
So you missed out on so much burning. Somebody said
(01:52):
he was that Is that the quickest one? I think? So? Yeah,
the Tijuana watsa, that's you are a class act. That's act.
(02:15):
So so Burno's back. We're obviously happy to have him.
Uh and uh. And of course the Deshaun Watson saga
continues on here. So now that we have had about
twenty four hours to digest the decision, they came down yesterday,
in the final hour of the program, we were on
the air the six games spension. Do you guys believe
(02:37):
that the NFL, who has said they're looking into possibly
appealing this and they've got three days to do it
now about two days left, do you think the NFL
appeals this or we just roll with six games moving forward?
I think the public outcry has almost led me to think. Now, yesterday,
I didn't think either side would, at least that's what
(02:57):
you know. Reportedly. We knew the n f l p
A DeShawn Watson's camp wasn't going to and we and
I thought we had heard from the NFL saying something
similar maybe a week or two ago when their decision
was kind of wrapped up. But Suell Robinson was really
taking her time and I think almost asking the NFL,
n f l p A, and Shaun Watson's crew to
(03:18):
come to some sort of settlement before she she gave
her her verdict, if you will. So I kind of
thought that I know and maybe they'll they'll both just
kind of deal with this new process of deciding the punishment.
But there has been a lot of public outcry and
this was not a news dump on a Friday, where
it goes over the weekend and it goes in the
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next week, and people sometimes tend to move on. This
happened on a Monday morning before nine am. We actually
got to, you know, be a part of that, a
little bit of breaking the news. And it's gonna continue
to snowball and build, I think as the week goes on.
And and so given that, I almost I almost think
it's it would be impossible for the NFL to not
(04:01):
appeal something and say, Okay, we reportedly wanted a full year,
let's try to settle somewhere in between where we say ten, eleven,
twelve games. So it looks more putative because at this
point everyone's kind of now lining up and going this
is a disgrace given the unprecedented nature of all of
(04:23):
the allegations, all the women who were impacted by this,
and and we know they've settled, but still, given the
unprecedented nature of this, you can't compare it to things
in the past. And that's probably the thing that stands
out the most about this judgment by Suel Robinson is
she was quoted saying she's bound by the standards of
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the fairness and consistency of the treatment among players similarly situated,
which when you read that, you go, well, who's ever
been in a similar situation? Don't don't compare it to
Ben Roethlisberger, don't compare to Zeke Elliott, because no, no
one has had this many people, has this been this
predatory and has had this many issues. And so she's
(05:06):
almost using the out of well, this is what you've
agreed to in the c b A, and I'm gonna
rule based on that, because you know, otherwise it's unfair
to Deshaun Watson. I gotta be honest with you. I
don't care if it's unfair to Deshaun Watson. He put
himself in his position, and it's unprecedented. She should be
able to go out on a limb and say I
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think you should it should be suspending ten or twelve
games or maybe the full season, and not blink and
eye and think that this is gonna be, you know,
something that people are gonna be like, No, that's too harsh.
I mean it is. It's bizarre the fact that with
with six games now looking at it and and the
public outcry at least what I've heard read from it,
(05:49):
and being around a bunch of people listening to the
kind of their response to it. It would be interesting
to see if the NFL doesn't decide to appeal this.
I think that's complex. I think it's complex based off
of of what what you just stated. Q. I think
it's complex because this is a corporation that held an
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internal hearing to decide what the punishment was going to be.
She gave her she gave her reasoning. And it's interesting
because going into it, the NFL did say that they
weren't going to to appeal or or challenge her decision.
It almost appeared to me that was why she was
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chosen to take the case. She They they felt like
they chose the most credible here we go, here we
go independent arbitrator to do this. So now the the
burden of of of giving a a punishment a recommendation
(06:56):
was placed on not only this arbitrary leader, but a
woman arbitrator. So when everything shook shook out, and and
and and the the you know, the conclusion came down.
I just I think people can be as upset as
they want to be, but I think the reality that
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exists here is that whether they want to be upset,
whether it sets a horrible precedence, which it does, um
whether whether it's one of those things that you look
at and you say to yourself, this is what a
person can get away with and actually be rewarded with.
I mean the example that that's sending to other players,
(07:43):
this example that it's sending to college players or high
school players. It's like, basically, you can get away because
there's probably there. I mean, you gotta believe that there's
some can't get rights out there that that saw this
and believe that they now too can get a way
with with handling things the way that that Deshaun Watson
(08:03):
handled things. And maybe not in the massage area, but
in other areas. I think it's very dangerous in a
real way, what what this decision represents because of of
basically he's been he's been rewarded. He gets a six
game vacation on a new team with a guarantee contract,
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gets to go through training camp in preseason and and
and and learn, watch and learn like that that he
gets it's it's like the most ideal situation for a
new player going into a new situation. I just you know,
but for what it's worth, But for what it's worth.
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She she went through the process and she did not rush.
She did not rush like she took a while. And
and I agree. I think she did say or or
put out there that these these cases needed to be
settled um and and handled and put the bid. And
I think that's why they moved so quickly to do it.
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And I don't know that the NFL can can undo
what people are feeling, Like if they come back and say,
all right, it's going to be ten games, I don't
think it. The damage is done. The damage is done,
and they might as well if if it's if it's
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me and I'm sitting in those meetings, I'd say, listen,
we told you we put the case into this arbitrator's hands.
The arbitration process has played out. You know what people
were upset when O. J. Simpson was was declared innocent.
You know, there was outcry on that what what precedence
(09:51):
does that set? What? Like how horrible is that he
was convicted of a civil courtlong, yeah, the civil civil
but the big the big, the big boy, you know,
the criminal kids. He was found you know, the glove
didn't fit and they acquit it. So you know, I
just I just think that they always prepare. I mean,
(10:13):
why not, why not because the bottom someone and then
one didn't one allegedly murdered someone. And we're also not
talking about a criminal court of law, that this doesn't
have anything to do with law. And but but that's
that's my point. But my point is is that that
the public is always going to be upset. There's always
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not because if if if they had said ten and
twelve games or a season, yes, there would not be
an outcry yes there. I mean, it's it's it's I mean,
we could argue it, but we'll never know, and we'll
never know unless it it happened. Well, if the NFL
appeals it, because it actually then goes to an arbitrator
that is Roger, that's where the arbitratar. But then that's
(10:54):
that's that's I think that's messier. I think it becomes
messier if Roger Goodale, your good Dale unseats what the
arbitrator that was brought in Dudds has done. I think
it makes a messier I think I think it undoes
them more. I think the NFL is in a spot
to where they have to appeal because and I think
the Browns helped them get to this spot because and
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you mentioned not only was he suspended six games, but
also rewarded. I mean, one of the big talking points
for a lot of people is wait, so he's gonna
get forty five million dollars still this year, So he's
getting like So, I think the Browns and the way
they structured this has put the NFL in a spot
to where the NFL has to appeal it, if anything,
(11:38):
just to give the appearance that hey, we're with you
on this, we think this is ridiculous. Let us at least,
you know, a show a little bit of something here.
Just the arbitrator. Let's let's get a few things right. Swell.
Robinson is not the arbitrtar in this case. She's what
the NFL considers a disciplinary officer. Now, once they would appeal,
(12:01):
then it would go to an arbitrator that happens to
be Roger Goodell in that instance. So that's the actual
structure of the decision making process. Sue L. Robinson is
now who the NFL and NFL p A have anointed
in this new process to be the disciplinary officer. So
when these issues come up, that's who they go to.
She's not really an arbitrator. It would be who Roger
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Goodell would kind of fulfill that role in it appeals
process of this sort of decision, just to make it
like clean as far as how it how it works.
Can I ask this? Can I ask this? If this
is the clean way of doing it? And why didn't
Roger Goodell just do it in the first place? I mean,
am I am I asking the past right? And is
(12:42):
am I? Am I in the wrong for thinking for
something as big as this, just get in there and
say you did it. Whether you didn't do it or
you did do it in the court of law, I
don't care you did it, We're gonna sit you down
for a year. Why not just do it? Well? How
do we got to go through all of this? Because
to me, now, if that's the case, if if what
(13:03):
what you're saying right now, Q, that's shenanigans to me,
to me, that's shenanigans and saying for giving you a
year suspension? Yeah, I think what the NFL wanted to
do was create a process with the NFL p A
where they take a step back. Because if you'll recall
when Roger Goodell first took over as commissioner, jewelry, well,
(13:25):
the the the ability to impact players with whatever, however
they're off the field actions with whatever it was under
the player of conduct policy had always existed within the
c b A, but it had never been enforced the
way Roger Goodell enforced it. And and so he became
out as the judge jury execution and all that. Well,
you know, that was that happened for a long time.
(13:47):
The problem became is I think the NFL realized, like,
wait a second, we're taken on, you know, something press
probably bigger than we ultimately wanted to because it's complicated,
as you kind of pointed out, like you know, there's
the civil cord, there's the criminal court. There's times when
you're trying to wait for all these things to sort
themselves out before you issue a punishment to a player
(14:10):
based on their conduct within the c b A. And
that's complicated. So they kind of said, hey, let's annoying
someone who's a third party and that both sides can
agree upon saying, we believe this could be the new
NFL disciplinary and officer. She's not someone that's necessarily within
the structure of the NFL. She's you know, a former U. S.
(14:30):
District judge that we both feel comfortable with in determining
the punishment for these sorts of things. And look and
if and if we don't like it, each side has
the opportunity to appeal. But our trump card is that
appeal ultimately comes back to Roger Goodell, because you know,
and then that's something that came in the last CBA
and uh c b A. It's one of those things
(14:51):
they snuck in there. So it's always been their trump cards.
And look, that's been the NFL. They're they're always gonna
operate from a position of power when they can. But
in this instance, you know, I think it allows them
the opportunity to do what you're saying, where if they
don't like what she came up with, they could basically say, well,
we're gonna appeal this for X, Y and Z, and
this is the punishment now that we believe Shawn Watson
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should get. It's almost like they can test out due
to the public outcry and how things look and then
look like the good guys at the end. I just
don't know how they look like the good guys when
they deem it like this is what they've allowed to
take place. You deem it like this is it, this
is your process, So why not just this is a
(15:33):
big deal. Everybody knew this was a big deal coming
into it. That's why we've talked about it at nauseum.
It's a big deal. I'm more shocked by I'm just
gonna say this, Sue L. Robinson being a woman and
this being her verdict, and like reading the language that
there were some tea leaves that came out in the
conclusion and of her you know, sixteen page of the decisions,
(15:56):
some of that started to come out. Tom pell Sero,
pel Sero, you know, you know, put something stuff out there.
I'm more surprised by the language within that and how
she came to that fairness of it, like what and
she and by the way the way she worded some
of her explanation as to how she came up with
the suspension. It wasn't like she said, yeah, look, you
know he's I feel like, you know, there's not enough there.
(16:18):
She acknowledged, no, no, no, no, no, there's an issue
that that's why in put in place for the remainder
of his career, not allowed to go see anything other
than a team, uh than a massage therapist as as
you know, through the team, like not like some of
the other stuff that she put in there to where
the guy clearly had a little bit of an issue
(16:40):
and she pointed that out to make sure, hey, this
is not like nothing happened here. She found that the
NFL provided enough evidence and I think three of the
cases or in a few of the cases where they
provided enough evidence that there was something there, that something happened.
And that also Deshaun Watson wasn't totally truthful with Hey, Jonas,
(17:01):
you want to know what's funny about that comment that
that he has to go through the team. Seemingly some way,
somehow he was possibly connected to going through the team
with with the Texas. That's why they had to saddle
with thirty different people. That's so it sounds that's a nine. Well,
how do you enforce it? I mean, in all honesty,
(17:22):
if he goes home and he wants to have whoever,
call whoever, Instagram message whoever, how does it stop any
of it? And you can sit there and say, well,
you know they're gonna have the messages and all the stuff.
It might not be from DeShawn Watson directly. This time
I mean like, it's that's why what I think when
I look at the punishment and how it really what
does it change? He got fifteen million dollars, he got
(17:45):
fifteen million dollars two days ago. You know what it changes,
would sages? It changes his outlook, It changes his outlook
on how he approaches doing because let me tell you something,
maybe I've been blocked. I don't know. I could care
less about if he blocked me or dock so I
didn't check to know. But it just says to me,
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if you get awarded that amount of money, that type
of contract after telling a team I'm not going to
play for you the year before you shit out, you
watch and you get six games that you're going to
sit out, No fines, no penalties, six games that you're
going to sit out. That says to me, you know what,
I have clarity on who I am as a person
(18:28):
and how I want to do things, and I can
guarantee you. And that man's little mind of his, he's
probably thinking he's done absolutely nothing wrong and has been
given the green light to believe that that some way,
sickly is somehow true. He quit on his team. He
(18:48):
is a pervert and he got rewarded two million dollars. Guarantee.
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training camp are funny as hell? What I am? Sore
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as hell? First day, baby, that's cute. Okay, all right,
what we put the pads on yesterday? Okay, Chopper, I
saw I saw something. It's a modern day. It's a
little modern day yesterday. Okay, Chopper, I'm down here for it. Okay.
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Oh man, I ran yesterday for the first time probably
in like three years. You have a bump me, though,
don't you. We'll hold on now, jonas Ki bro I
have a bum. I have a bum body yesterday. I'll
(20:37):
tell you I can still move. I don't doubt that
I could still move. I was shocked, but I pay
I'm paying for it. Yeah. But that's like the country song,
you know, like I ain't as good as I once was,
but I'm as good once as I ever was. Yeah,
I could see that. No, no, no, no, it's it's
it's more like if you had to once right now,
(20:58):
you get out there and get after it, but like
it just would be hard to do it, like plays
in row Man. You should have saw my defense yesterday. Man,
it's pretty. They were pretty. They I mean, they looked fast,
they looked crisp, you know. Was it tales matter? Man?
Was it the first day in pads for you guys?
Yesterday as well, we weren't in pats You really did
(21:19):
do training camp. Well, I went down to I saw
motter Day. Oh yeah, you're in CALLI Yeah, I got
we got our seminars for for Foxes everything. So we're
we're way down south, way down south, Orange County. That's
in Santa Anna. He's in Orange County. Okay, all right,
sweet Modern Day. That's like so, so what you're saying
(21:41):
is is that your your college tour pretty much. But
their lim are gigantic, enormous. It's unbelievable their college and
they look and they have and they have offensive giant
huge lineman and defense of giant huge lineman. Are they
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the number one high school in the country. You know what,
There's a team in Baltimore called St. Francis that has
the same exact thing going on is them, and they've
gotten pretty good. I mean, that's one of those teams
that is in the conversation. Then you got Modern Day,
you got you got Bosco. You know Los alamidos Is
(22:25):
is actually um considered to be one of the top
top top teams this year as well. Then I m
G is always going to be in the conversation as well.
So yeah, but I mean Modern Day is the that
they're the standard. They have another quarterback. They had a
little bit of they had a little bit of drama.
They got a really good quarterback. Actually he's he's returning
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for I believe it's a senior year. Um. But he
was really good last year. Um. But you know they
had that little deal going on with with the hazing
and all that stuff. But I mean Rolo coach Rolinson man,
he's uh, he built a empire there. Bro So according
to gold Standard, according to Max Preps, uh, modern Day
(23:07):
is one. Westlake in Texas is to following, followed by
Servitu yep and so yep, and then Virgin Catholic and
then St. Johan. I was just testing you guys. I
knew that clearly, all right. I'm a high school football
you know, that's what I do. The Golden Domers they
(23:32):
got golden helmets too. Yeah. Well they're not like my
Golden Domers, you know, well they're not that that's not
there's only one true Golden Dome, you know. Yea, what
was what was the segment about? Again? What did you
tease last second? You know, we we will we will
get to that because somebody is not over their X
in the NFL apparently. Two Pros and a cup of
(23:54):
Joe Here on Fox Sports Radio, coming up in a
little over twelve minutes from now, we are going to
have an update. There's a brand new quarterback with a
brand new team, but the same old issues are happening.
So we're going to get into that for you about
twelve minutes from now. Like that, that's what I do.
It's so easy, though, what do you mean, I don't know.
(24:17):
I mean, you'd rather be redo it? I could give
you a better one. No, why would you not give
your best? Well, I mean, I don't know if you
guys are ready for the fastball this early in the morning,
right coming up in about twelve minutes from now here
on fs are If things play out the way they
are so far, for one quarterback in the NFL, his
career could be over before you know it. Twelve minutes
(24:41):
from now here on Fox Sports Radio, patic what's my rule?
Brady on teasing? Oh, it's it's always that's the move, listen,
That's why I mean, look, I'm just trying to I'm
just trying to get people to lay down with me.
You know what, I mean that ruin your reputation. By
(25:01):
the way, clearly did him pay millions upon millions? That
is there? That is fair? By the way, one of
the affiliates that carries this program, our friends in Nashville
on one or four or five the zone obviously, Uh,
Titans tighten up, Mike Rabel and company looking forward to
(25:24):
another season with King Henry and they've got Ryan Tannehill
and everybody's fired up there. Um well an X A J.
Brown who's now with the Philadelphia Eagles. Uh, he's looking
around and he's seeing some of the other wide receivers
from his draft class who have all gotten paid by
their current teams. Uh and uh, and he has taken
(25:45):
notice of it. So Deebo, Samuel, DK, Metcalf, Terry McLaurin
all got deals to stay with their team. And after
Debo's deal came out, A J. Brown took to Twitter
and said, so, basically, all four of us got the
same contract, and I'm the only one got traded. I
keep believing it was me anyway, Go Birds. So apparently
he's not over the situation in Tennessee in which he
(26:06):
got traded. I feel like he got paid. What's the
problem here, And if Tennessee wanted to make the move
in Philadelphia was going to give him a couple of
draft picks and they were gonna have an opportunity to
potentially replace him. I mean, did did Tennessee make the
wrong move here? If if Traylan Burke's works out, and
he's supposedly he's had a strong campus far, what's the issue.
(26:28):
I mean, I don't I don't see anything wrong with
what Tennessee did, but A. J. Brown apparently has still
got a red ass about it, and so bottom and look,
trail On Burt's has lots of proof. I mean, A. J.
Brown did have the best season last year, but he
also wasn't helped, you know, didn't play aff sixteen games
or seventeen games for that matter. Um, But you know, look,
(26:48):
I don't understand really why you know, players hold a
grudge unless it's more of the fact that, yeah, maybe
he's better because he wanted to stay in Tennessee. He
liked to live in Tennessee and he didn't you know,
not that he's saying he doesn't want to be in Philly,
but you know, most players would rather, especially if they
like the place they're drafted into they'd rather stay there,
you know, I've been traded. It's it's a it's a
(27:10):
tough thing to digest because it's almost like it's not
that you're necessarily even breaking up because you're still under
you know, in most cases other you know, unless you're
in a j Brown situation where you get traded, you
get you a new contract, but in most cases, you're
traded under that contract, so you're just being shipped off,
and it's it's all on the other side, to the side.
So there's a lot of like kind of emotional baggage
(27:33):
that goes along with that, Like not only are you
saying like I'm not good enough for you, but now
you're sending me to a place that like I didn't
have a choice in going. You know. It's like imagine
that sort of scenario in a relationship where you're like, yeah,
I don't I don't want to do this anymore. I know,
by the way, you've got to move to Alburquerque, New Mexico.
All right, you cannot stay here anymore. You can't live
(27:53):
in l A, getting southern California. You have to go
to Alburquerque. And you're so easily replaceable we're just gonna
draft another guy from Yeah, gonna We're gonna bring someone
right in right here in southern California, I just to
replace you. So it feels like a little more bitterness
um on his side, which she has nothing to be
bitter about. He obviously got paid. He's in a situation
(28:15):
with the team that I think is you know, on
the rise. I meant, bar you think they're gonna win
the division. So yeah, I think the division. I mean,
I don't know why I don't always bitter about like,
I think there's a better chance, even though the AFC
South is bad, I still think there's a better chance
that Philly, you know, could maybe make something happen and
make a run in the NFC. Then you know what,
I think the Tennessee Titans bring to the table. But
(28:36):
maybe I'm wrong in that assumption. But I don't know.
I don't think you are at all. I think it's
I think that's not that's not a bad push put
out there type of deal. Listen, no player that is
a supreme superior competitor is gonna be okay when something
like that happens. And and keep in mind taking a
(28:57):
step further, not he didn't get to choose the ten
to see Titans. They chose him, you know. So it's
kind of like that's the pros though, right, You don't
get the opportunity to to to choose unless you become
a free agent. And and if you became a high
profile free agent, then maybe things work out for you
the way that you want them to work out. But
(29:19):
it just you know that that doesn't that just does
not leave a good taste in your mouth, so to speak.
When when it when a franchise, you know, chips you
off and it is a value deal, like if you
feel like you're not being valued, people handle things differently,
(29:40):
you know, but franchise handle things differently as well. They
might look at the value proposition like there's this whole
thing and in in uh corporate America, it's you're always
looking for better talent at a lower price, Like that's
part of the business model. Now, some businesses may appro
to differently and and it may fit their model to
(30:04):
to go after higher price talent and pay that high
price talent top dollar to do what it is you
acquire your talent and that talent comes in and you
get an r o I on on what it is
that you're doing, and it works. But for the most part,
like listen, man I was I was the number two
overall draft pick in the draft. They were drafting linebackers
(30:28):
and and they were bringing in linebackers every year, and
and you know that the idea of it is is
that at some point they're gonna have to start talking
about if I play well, they're gonna have to start
talking about how much that's gonna cost for a linebacker,
not not a quarterback, not a receiver, for a for
a linebacker. Right, So it's it exists with every single position.
(30:54):
You know, you you hire highly trained staffs to be
able to fine talent and in places where they can
bring them in and you could possibly, you know, replace
replace a guy that that makes top dollar. It's funny
because if you look at if you look at Dallas,
(31:15):
Tony Pollard is would be the perfect example of being like, oh,
you know, we could get rid of Ezekiel. You know,
we could get rid of Zeke because we get more
out of Pollard than we will would get out of
Zeke at this point, like, let's ship him off. But
that's not Jerry Jones is that's not his model. You
know he likes to he likes to pay his guys,
(31:35):
but some franchises just don't handle things that way. Can
I give you guys a date to mark down a
week in the NFL? To mark down? What week? Week thirteen?
That's alone time, all right, It's x IS week all
right now, Now get a load of this schedule. We've
got Washington and the Giants, all right, So that's LaVar's
(31:58):
two axes going head to add We've got the Titans
and the Eagles. That's a J. Brown getting some revenge
on his former team. Hold on, I mean it continues on.
We've also got Brown's Texans. Obviously we know Deshaun Watson. Okay,
a big time we got we got we got, we
(32:21):
got the Bob the Bobby Wagner revenge games, Seahawks Rams,
and we've got Mike McDaniel's revenge game because we got
the Dolphins and the forty Niners. And on Monday Night
the Jamis Winston revenge game Saints Bucks. How bad X
week in the NFL A sketch bag. I'm just trying
(32:42):
to understand how that I get him, like, because the
Giants rich excuse me, I oh my god. It all
game because it's your ex is Come on going that, Dad, Well,
why didn't you find an accuse? Uh? All the former
(33:06):
teams just because I could keep it tabs. Have you
seen how Johan Dotson is looking? Oh he's he's looking legit.
It's amazing. They could be something, man, I'm telling you
really good. Uh. The Commandos, baby, I think they're going
to finish second in the division. Big tis big times.
They might mess around him with it. They might. It's
(33:27):
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Sometimes you can't get to everything in the world of
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turn it over to our executive producer Lead do do Lap. Guys,
in case you missed. It was a tough day for
the Commandos yesterday, more specifically for Carson Wentz, who threw
back to back interceptions, took a playoff and came back
and threw another one. O, my guy, that's what you
paid for throwing the towel for the season, and that's
(35:18):
what you paid. I have a follow up did he
throw the interception left handed like last year in Indianapolis,
because because if he didn't, I think this is actually
progress towards him not turning the ball overa At least
he didn't have a big sit on his neck. Yeah, yeah,
we know if the towel that he used when I
(35:40):
took the rip off, maybe he wiped that sits. Oh
my god, it's like, I'm trying. I'm trying not to
g what talking about that? Guys do that for a living?
(36:01):
That brail on the back of his neck? Bar Yeah,
do you ever watch those where they cleared him boils?
By the way, what he gets like his haircut and
he goes into the barber and he sits down. I mean,
why do you think his barber you think? I think
he's on a John Deere with those hills And then
(36:22):
the Carson Wentz probably has the nerd to be like, uh, bro,
can you clean it up? Why? Why would did you
not get this hair here? I mean, look, do you
see that you haven't finished? You're finished? Mr Winz? Oh man,
that is so nasty. But alrightley, what else you got
in case you missed it? Live Golf CEO Greg Norman
(36:45):
confirmed in an interview Monday night that Tiger Woods turned
down an offer in the neighborhood between seven hundred and
eight hundred million to join the tour. Wow, what an idiot?
I mean seven to eight hundred million dollars he's already got.
He's already a billionaire. Though as far as net worth, right,
uh yeah, what do you think is net worth? Is No,
(37:06):
he's a billionaire? Is he really? Yeah? Yeah, but you
could if you could double your net worth, that'd be
tough to turn down. What do you think you think?
What do you think his career earnings as a golfer our?
Just as far as winds go in his career, Like,
where do you think that? It's not that much? It's
all marketing money. Yeah, So like what do you do
(37:27):
you think he's had a hundred million in his career? Yeah?
Maybe I don't know, Yeah, because when you brought up
the Phil Mickelson throughout his entire career, was he at
like thirteen million something like that? Or maybe it was,
like I don't even I confuse Phil Mickelson's career earnings
with how much he gambles. So sometimes I can cross
(37:48):
the streams a little bit. I compare it with that,
I don't give it. Damn your thoughts on golf? Yeah,
what else we golly guys. In case you missed it,
Cadarius Tony showed up two Giants camp and a Louis
(38:10):
Witton visor. Obviously this will not be allowed during the season,
but a little bit of fun during training camp. How
about it? Louis Bitton visor for a Cadarius Tony um
successful first year with the Giants? No, yeah, traded for
one year. I mean, but let you know that there's
(38:30):
some hope there, there's some optimism Brian dave All and
Daniel Jones. And you think Daniel Jones starts the entire
season for the Giants, or you think Tyrod Taylor is
gonna gonna get an opportunity. I think I agree, thank
all things point that direction. Yeah, I mean, but again,
that's your excel bar. That's a big matchup. They were
(38:51):
good to me. I ain't gonna Giants were good to me.
They're a good organization. What about watching some hard times?
I watched the Giants us into Ridskins were great to
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