September 13, 2022 • 38 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys are baffled by Russell Wilson’s suit and bowtie more than they are the Broncos decision to go for a 64-yard field goal instead of a 4th&5. Dak Prescott is expected to miss 6-8 weeks after thumb surgery but the Cowboys don’t have a backup plan. Von Miller takes issue with Leonard Fournette’s chip block of Micah Parsons and Adrian Peterson gets KO’d for peanuts on ICYMI.
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Two Pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn Jonas knocks. Coming up on this
Tuesday edition, We're gonna look back on Monday Night football,
the return of Russell Wilson to Seattle, and there is
a lot to get into. There's the booze from the
Seattle fans, the back and forth between Russ, Pete Carroll
and the organization. Also the clock management of Nathaniel Hackett
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and the Denver Broncos. A lot of suspect decisions that
we're gonna have that supposed to look back on. Some
other news and notes injury wise from around the NFL
and what happened in Austin, Texas over the weekend. We'll
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how about that? Russell Wilson, Huh? How about? It's definitely
a Showman fan favorite. You know where do we want
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to start with this? Say? The conversation started before the
game start? I mean, what the hell was that? I
don't know. Has he going to a prom? Apparently they
put more time and energy into a suit than he
did the clock management at the end of the God.
I mean, let's let's just break it down for a
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second though. What was it that did it too much
for you? Was the color of the suit? The texture
because it was a boat. It was the boats high
for me? Yeah, and the shoes like it was all.
It was just like a very mace like very bad boy,
bad boy, bad take that. Take that, take that, you
know what I mean? Like shiny soup man, you know
what I mean? It was the boat's side for me,
man like had he just want to tie? I mean
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like like I don't care how shiny it is, I
don't care what his shoes looked like the boat's house.
The thing that threw me off that I was like, oh, man, like,
that's just not a that's not a look. That's that's
not like a football look. And I know there's some
there's some guys out there who have the whole boat
tie thing and all that. I'm not a boat tie guy.
It just kind of sends off like, I don't know,
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I hate to say this and not look like a meathhead,
but douche bag. I was gonna say nerdy either way
in eight football, So I was I was more taken
back by like I saw the boats, I was like,
oh god, it was it was the sunglasses from me,
it was just inside, I mean, did the walk, did
the walk do it? It wasn't even just the sunglasses
inside they look like liquor store or loakes, like you
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ever you ever buy a pair of loakes at a
liquor store. They looked like they weren't even They weren't
even like a ray Bands or like a reputable You
gotta be yea unlimited with your spending because he walked
in with eighteen dollars in his pocket said can I
get a pair of lokes? And the rest on number three,
and then walked out and decided I'm gonna wear that
when I come on. Man, So you can't do apparently
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something different than a pair of lokes with fifty million
or whatever you got. I mean that suit was probably
like ten thousand dollars a shine. Yeah, I don't care
how much it was. That doesn't make it look good. Yeah,
but you gotta you got like you gotta play. You
gotta pay for the bling, you know, And I've seen
plenty of people youre walk in the livery and really nice, like, Look,
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it's a really expensive couch. It looks like crap. It
looks like you used one of your curtains to make
a couch. And I don't care how expensive is how comfortable?
This looks like crap, But I don't care. Would you
given him more credit? I would have actually respected him
more if he had like a ruffled under shirt, you know,
like like the the old prom pictures to where there
would be like the ruffles on the like there'd be
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like some puff to him. You know what I mean.
There was like a different, different uh Seinfeld episode. But yeah, ahead, yeah, no,
I don't know. I mean I just remember like Tom
and not really because you know, I like makes you listen.
I liked that it wasn't at all so creak get
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into the game. Like there's a few things like I was.
I was happy for Geno Smith, like I really was. Well,
they made they made a big story about that. I
was with him his rookie season and and I can
promise you this, that young man is growing up so much,
like he really has, like from where he was his
rookie year, first start at home versus Tampa and his
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habits and all that to where he is at now.
And it's one of the reasons why he's probably still
in the league gett an opportunity besides the fact that
he is talented. I mean, that dude can spin it.
I said that from day one. I said, I don't
know if the mental stuff and the maturity will come around,
but he could spin it. He always could sling around
the football, and he was able to mature and hang
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on long enough and be with it, be in a
good situation to where he finally got that shot, where
he was from a maturity standpoint, ready but prepared for
the moment. So good for Gino. I mean, he really
did in the beginning of that game like to me,
the way he played it like set the tone for
the rest of the game, how it was going to go.
That was the most animated I've ever seen him in
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his entire career, the most like vocal, the most you know,
out of himself that I've ever seen Gino Smith. He's
generally been like an internal type of guy, very like
almost like nonchalant in the way he appears to you.
So the fact that he was into it, the way
that he was into it, I think said a lot.
I mean, he he clearly made it super super apparent
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that he was, you know, just a static about having
the opportunity. But you know, the interesting thing was this,
this is a talented Denver Broncos team that went into
into Seattle to to play and then you know, you lose,
you lose player, you lose Jamal Adams. He he rolls out, Um,
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this didn't seem like this was a probable game for Seattle.
But I think my takeaway was again, I want to
know what is Russell Wilson. And I've said this before
and shows prior. I want to know what in who
Russell Wilson is as a Denver Bronco. And I'm not
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I'm not gonna cast any judgments just yet. I mean,
I thought he played a pretty good game. I don't.
I don't think that he played a bad game at all.
They just they faltered in the ridds on way too much,
too many, too many mistakes, I mean, how many. Like like,
here's the thing that there's gonna be optimism for Seahawks fans.
He's like, oh, you know, I want to know you're
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getting nice winter home versus the Broncos. All that you've
got two fumbles on the one yard line. That ain't
happening again. Like, I'm sorry, it's not sustainable. It won't
happen again the rest of the season. Um the clock.
Here here's what here's what I took away from it. Look,
Russell was fine, he really was. I was more shocked
at the manner in which and what's concerning to me,
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but shocked by the manner in which Nathaniel Hackett and
their defensive coordinator had kind of coached that game. I mean,
first off, I'll go back to training camp, preseason. You'll
remember when they played I think they played the Bills
in the preseason. They look soft like I mean, I'm
not questioning the toughness of these men, but they don't
play with any physicality and that showed out early in
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that game. And again it was one of those kind
of tone setting things, especially on defense. They they did
not look like they were bringing what they need to
in order to compete at that level in the NFL.
The second thing was is there were some times where
you you could see and it could have been just
the fact that the starters hadn't you know, played really
at all in the preseason all that, but they just
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seemed off and you expect that with the first you know,
your head coach, first time head coach and offense. But
down the stretch that was what was the most shocking.
You know, from my time in Seattle, one of the
things that Pete Carroll did so so well was two
minutes and clock management. I mean, I remember sitting in
quarterback rooms with Carl Smith and going over the scenarios
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of Okay, we have this much time left, we have
no time outs. How many places can you get? Alright,
three place, coach, alright, we got this much time one
time out? How many places can we get? I mean
literally every day rehearsing this, and so you could walk
into that huddle concussed and you could say look at
the clock and go all right, we got twenty two seconds,
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no time outs. We really can get one place safely
now and then maybe a field go out afterwards or
hail Mary afterwards, right, like like we we knew all
that time period, Like if you had sixteen seconds left, right,
that was the bare minimum. Like if you were desperate
you had to make something happen, sixteen seconds you could
get up, run a play clockett have time for something else,
but that's a field goal, hail Mary, whatever else. Like
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that was like the bare minimum, right, I mean we
went through all these, all these scenarios, and and Russell
has been one of the most clutch quarterbacks in the
fourth quarter in two minutes of anyone in NFL history.
And so to sit there and watch with three timeouts
around midfield our fourth and five, you not burn one
right away and go okay, then let's talk about this
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burn and then burned it like it's not like they
play did a play they and then call time out
and then call it time out. And so at that
point you should be saying yourself, okay, we got three
time outs, right, We're gonna call the time right right now.
And you can't call it back to back time out obviously,
But what you're gonna do is you're gonna talk in
the huddle and say we're gonna run. We're gonna try
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to run some sort of because he's gonna be in
a shotgun double silent count, right, a little couple of
head bobs something like that. You want the defense to
get a jump. You want to try to maybe get
one of them to jump offsides, get a free play,
all right, and then from there we're gonna try to
convert this thing. And then after we convert this thing,
we're probably gonna have to call another time out. Regroup. Well,
one time I left. We'll go from there, but we'll
be closer in field goal range. We'll say that last
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time out for the field goal. But the fact that
like they just sat there and walked to the line
and act like they didn't have any clue what they
were doing. To me, it was an indictment on Nathaniel
hack It and the lack of preparation for getting this team,
Like he's kind of one of those guys that everyone
loves the media because his high energy and all that stuff.
His team weren't prepared and and it was actually even
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worse though for as much as Russell has played that
he let that happen, Like at some point in your
career when you take it in your own hands, which
he has. That's twice in Denver, you gotta be the
one to sit out there and go time out, burnwy
go what the hell are you doing? Like why are
you trying to waste thirty seconds on the clock, Like
I I didn't see the sideline erupted like they were
matt A. Russell for not getting things organized. It seemed
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like it was more of Nathaniel Hackett and that staff
not know what the hell they were trying to do.
Called time out and talk about it. It It was it
wasn't that complicated. They made a very very simple scenario
or situation looks so complicated it made me question everything
with this season is gonna be for the Denver Broncos. Well,
Nathaniel Hacket, the head coach of the Denver Broncos, he
tried to explain the decision making on the sixty four
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yard field goal attempt. Here was the Broncos head coach. Obviously,
I wish we would have gotten a lot closer, but
it put us in that weird spot there because we
were in the field goal range, but we were on
that fourth down situation. Um didn't think we were gonna
get that many yards. So I thought it was a
great job by Javante and we just made the decision
we want to take our shot there on that one.
So there it is. You'd tell me, what do you
have a better chance of making a sixty four yard
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field gore four and five? Right, honestly a fourth and
five or sixty four yeard, Well, I saw the numbers.
There was somebody who did the math on at the
analytics and they said that, uh, it's like forty six
percent of the time teams convert on a fourth and
five at that point in the field, and about twenty
percent of the time they'll make a sixty four yard
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field or or something along those lines. It was significantly
in favor of you pick up the first down on
a fourth and five in that spot here, Troy didn't
you did you hear Troy what Troy said? They couldn't
figure out what the hell was happening. Well, I thought
it was interesting because I thought it, but I didn't
say it out loud while I was sitting there to myself.
But it's like they put more trust and and and
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now this kind of goes back to you saw you
heard that right like it go It kind of goes
back to the whole Seattle thing, like, oh, let rust cook,
let rust cook. Let put it in rust his hands.
But that was the perfect time for Rust to get
another play because he was marching. They weren't really stopping him.
Get to get the first down, get out of bounce
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or whatever, get the time out, and and then figure
out what you're gonna do from there. The fact that
they were like, Okay, we're relying on the fact that
our kicker can make the kick from here, and we're
not even gonna put Rest in a position where he
has to to be either the hero or the goat
or the hill, so to speak. In this situation I
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thought was when when when Troy said it, I was like, man,
I was thinking it, and now Troy just put it
out to the entire world. Now, now you're gonna have
to answer questions why didn't you trust Russell Wilson a
minute eleven left, you're at midfield, you've got all three
time out, and you get one more play in a
sixty four yard field goal attempts. So even after the
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thing that I'm shocked by is even after you wasted
the thirty seconds and you call the time out and
it's still fourth and five, It's like, okay, we have
two time outs left, and I don't care if you
had twenty twenty some seconds whatever it was. It's like, dude,
you could still go for here, and you still have
enough time with time outs. You know, the average play
takes about six seven seconds, and so you could still
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make it even if you you didn't trust Russ necessarily
in that scenario, which is it's a little bit hard
to believe. I think it was more just the ineptitude
of Nathaniel Hack and the coaching staff, never having been
in this scenario as a head coach before and understanding
how to manage it, but I look back and go
even then, you should have just came back out and go, Okay,
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we had time to talk about this, Let's go for it.
Let's get this again. If I'm Russell and they try
to put a field goal kicker out there, I'm going,
what no, make Brandon gets your ass back on the bench,
like we might kick one, but it's not right now,
Like that's how you handled that. I'm just I'm shocked
by the fact that, like and I said this before,
remember about Aaron Rodgers, we were talking about the playoffs
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and this it was before we were working together, LeVar.
But it was no different than when he looking over
the Green Bay sidelines and those guys like trying to
take him off instead of going for it. I mean,
it's at some point in your career and I know
you're like, we're going for this, We're not doing this.
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At some point you gotta take charge. And that's the
thing is Russell was already trying. I mean, and again
I know Seattle and the whole story, and they were
trying to move on from him before he was trying
to move on from them, and maybe that's what created
the fracture. Regardless you're in Denver. Now the rest of
this story is going to be pinted out what your
legacy looks like as a Denver bronco And so he's
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gonna take this into his hands as far as what
he's gonna do moving forward, and last night was a
missed opportunity. And it also feels like if it this
is the coaching debut for Nathaniel Hackett and he struggles
in these moments. Like Brian Billick talked about it before,
thinking he was really prepared and he had studied in
all this stuff, and then he got to become a
head coach and he realized there were other things that
he didn't factor into it and he just sort of
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had to learn to adapt to all of that stuff.
Problem for the Nathaniel Hackett is now, because everybody saw
it and it played on a national TV, there's gonna
be questions about this guy moving forward, like like no
matter what, it's just like Brandon Staley last year with
his decision making that became the storyline of the off
season going into this year the entire year, Nathaniel Hackett
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is gonna be questioned. Now, Hey, we've seen this playout
before national television. Are we sure he's gonna know what
to do with the clock here? And now now they've
been putting this spot. You know what I kept thinking
watching that game, boy Denver, Mrs vic Fancio, like watching
that defense and just watching the overall the outcome of
the game. I'm going, if Vic Fancio is there, I
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feel like there's a different outcome here, like I really do.
Because and it's odd because with Nathaniel Hackey, you would
have thought they would have put that on Russ's shoulders
to get the first out and all that. With vic Fancio,
I know they would have because he was saying, like
this is the guy that they were away from being
a successful football team. And trust me, he was waiting
for the moment during his tenure in Denver to have
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a quarterback that he could say, no, no, no, you
go get the first down on fourth and five, drive
us down further so we can have a more makeup
field going to go win this thing. I thought, that's
why you pay all that money for fourth down in five? Yeah,
I mean for real, right, I mean isn't that isn't
that why you got the three bay room home. That's
that's a thousand, a hundred thousand, like to deliver on
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fourth and five. That's why you were a sign suit
out there, which shoes Still another piece in all this,
you know, the Hackett was hired after the new ownership
group took over. And I can promise you the Walton family,
you know, that whole Walmart, the whole big, big hole
conglomerate that Walmart is right, Like, I'm sure they were
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smart enough to say when they just bought this team,
what the hell was that? Like, Look, we we made
our money, you know, through through change of Walmart. Right,
but but even we can understand clock manage and how
this all works, Like, what the hell was that? I
think because of the timing in which Nathaniel Hackett was
hired and the ownership group took over, that probably lends
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Hacket to be on a shorter leash. That's that's my
instuation with all this. And I'm not saying that, hey,
they're gonna fire him after one year, but these are
the sorts of things where people are keeping a tab,
they're keeping receipts of and they're saying after one year
and in the year two, if this thing gets ugly
or looks ugly and it doesn't look good next year.
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He gone, like, that's how this all works out. I
don't think it's outside the Roman possibility. He gets clipped
after one year, if they missed the if they if
they missed the postseason, and ownership goes, we're paying all
this money to this guy. We need an improvement here,
and Sean Payton sitting on the sidelines. You don't think
they would make a call to Sean Payton. He's got
his own office. So you better in a shiny suit. Yeah,
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and and that and that's the other thing is that
ownership group. You know, if they move on from Nathaniel
Hacke to obviously let all that happen with Russell coming in,
you you just block off the door, you pack up
the boxes, you send that crap down the quarterback room,
and you go, yeah, maybe we need to be up here, right, Yeah, Yeah,
it's uh, it's it's got money we didn't gave you.
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With that shiny ass tight suit, you can't deliver us
a fourth of five. Hey, you know what looks bad though?
That's suit doesn't look the same post game it does.
I didn't let it goes from being like, you know,
like stylish as hell to like clownish is hell right,
Like it was kind of like the step Brothers, you
know when they show up in the tuxedos to interview
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so the Dallas Cowboys are screwed. Dak Prescott is going
to be out for a minimum of six weeks, more
closer to eight weeks from some of the reporting out
there on the screw before. Then probably screwed before. Yeah,
they probably were screwed before. If they were to listen
to you, they would have known it. You've been You've
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been calling Philly for the entire offseason. I'm just saying
their offense has been a liability since before Dak Prescott's
unfortunate departure. Right, How does Michael Parsons feel about it?
You've talked to him. Come on, I mean, I I
really don't get into all of those things when I
speak with him. I mean, and it's just talking about
the obvious. The defense delivers. The defense has has become
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the strength of the team, and they don't have an
established running attack, they don't have an established passing game,
and they don't have a stable offensive line. It just
says what it is. I mean, I wouldn't have said
that they now based off of Dak Prescott going out.
It's like, oh, there goes the season. Like it maybe
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more of there goes the season, you know, But I
mean their offensive was a liability it was this year.
I mean, here, here's the thing I would say is
I mean, based on rankings at least they were the
number one offense in the NFL last year, So I
don't know, like then they had their moments, like clearly
the way last season ended, the whole two minute drive,
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whatever the hell that was, Like, that's the liability, right,
Like it's their inability in clutch situations to deliver or
find a way. Um, I think moving on this year,
the way Week one look like for sure their defense
is kind of taken over as that group. But I don't,
I don't. I don't know that we could, you know,
say that based on last year at least, not considering
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their results and how good their offense was at times.
But I mean, look at the way that game looked.
I don't if Doc was in or not, wouldn't matter.
You know, they have they have problems. I mean, they
have a wide receiver group that you know, outside of
Ceedee Lamb, who they're trying to make him into this
number one guy, which you see what that looks like
now without Amori Cooper out, there a lot more difficult
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tasks And I don't know that he's got the support
around him at the wide receiver spot to take off
some of the pressure away from him. You know. Outside
that's Dalton Schultz, and that's the running backs. It's Zeke
and Tony Pollard. That's about it. The offensive lot. As
you touched on him, it's it's made a transition. Now
you don't have Tron Smith. It's Tyler Smith. You know,
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different with a rookie there. McGovern's out. I mean, there's
just all these issues now that they're facing, and I
think they're gonna have a hard time, you know, getting
back to being the number one offense in the league.
I just think that those stats were misleading because they
didn't win big games. It's like they had great stats
and they won games, but they didn't win big games.
Like I don't know, name a big game off the
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top of my head. I can't think of well, I mean,
it depends how you look at it. Like they won
the division last year, so it's not like they didn't
win big games like the beat Philly twice. I mean big.
What I'm saying, like, if we're saying Phillies the team
to this year, they swept him last year, YEA It
depends on what you what your view as a big game.
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I'm basing Philly's success off of their offseason and and
they were close in in some regards. They had a
running attack, they didn't have a passing attack, and I
think they went and addressed that pretty aggressively. But in
terms of last year, at games like as in like
the the opener you see them in in a game
against Tampa last year, it's like you felt as though
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they were going to see each other at some point.
But you know what they lost. But here's the problems.
You can't put it all on the offense. And they
scored almost scored thirty points. Now, yeah, I mean that's
that's fair. That's fair. And and again statistically speaking last year,
you would say coming into this year, this should be
a pretty balanced team and and they should be able to,
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you know, if in some cases, cruise to an NFC title,
not just win one. They should be able to cruise
to an NFC East title and see where they're going
from there. It just doesn't. This team just hasn't shown
that they can separate themselves and in the wash, like
when we start getting into the more elite teams that
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were out there last year. Now this year, I think
that there's more of an opportunity, but they stink like
I I don't. I don't think that they're going to
be good enough. But this is an opportunity this year.
I mean, I think we saw a lot of parody
on on Sunday, like, Okay, you know there there is
still the opportunity. Like I don't look at any team
right now today and say, okay, here's the most dominant
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team in the NFC. So there's there is the opportunity.
I just don't think that it's Dallas and what they
got going on on offense the side of the ball. Yeah, well,
Steven Jones, I mean the one consistent there in Dallas
is the fact that the Jones is they love to
do radio hits. Uh. Stephen Jones is on with the
fan in Dallas, and he had a little bit of
(26:33):
optimism yesterday about his quarterback. We feel very confident he'll
he'll be back. We just don't know that time frame
right now. Is there any concern with what happened in
back half of maybe last year and now this that
deck is injury prone? No, I think Doc is built
to last. I think, you know, Obviously, those uh hand
injuries with quarterbacks in pockets or are tough ones. And uh,
(26:58):
I don't think he's in ry prone until like he'll
rebound from this. He's a great leader. He'll be out
there leading to charge. I know we won't miss anything,
and I think great things are a head of deck.
So there's a little bit of optimism there. So what's
the planet? He sounded very subdued, hold on for a second,
very somber. He's gonna be out at least six weeks
(27:21):
at least. I mean, we don't know what type of
fracture it was on his thumb, but I could sell
you regardless of his throwing hand, and it's gonna take
at least six weeks for that bone to try to
heal and and to feel like he's gonna able to
group of football again at least probably longer. Like this
is a scenario where we saw it happen last year
(27:42):
with Russell Wilson with his mallet finger, and he was
on an aggressive track to come back, and what happened
when he came back, I came back to you soon
didn't look the same. It's gonna it's gonna have the
deck if that's the case, like I would bank on,
like if he comes back before six weeks, that's concerning
in the sense of I don't know what to expect
of the the past game because it looks bad as it was.
(28:03):
I mean, based on what their past game looked Week one.
I know the Tampa by defense is good. Top Bowls
is one of the better defensive minds, but still, like
I don't know, you don't want to come back earlier
with that, and so you're able to be with a
wide receiver group that outside of Ceedee Lamb, I'm not
sure really threatens many people. The feeling is Week ten
is after the bye week November, they're at Green Bay
(28:26):
and that's the most likely spot that Dak Prescott comes back.
Oh my god, can I can I ask this one?
They're done? What does Jerry Jones do the moment in
time you got to say this season is done? Does
he blow it up? Is Zeke out of there? Is
Dak out of there? Like is McCarthy out of there?
(28:49):
McCarthy I think it's the first one to go. The
hard thing about letting go of anyone is they've got
to make, like admit mistakes, Like if you want to
let go a zeke like you sign him that contract.
It's not like you brought in a general manager, like
that's Stephen Jones, that's you. The hard part about where
they're at now is, hey, you didn't have a backup.
(29:11):
That's on you. Like at one point you had one
quarterback on this roster and when you cut everyone, Cooper
Rush and will career because of you know, different capivlications
and how you want to bring him back. But that's
on you, like you looked at a quarterback who had
been hurt before that. You're paying a bunch of money
and you feel like you're roster in a good spot.
You won the division last year, and you didn't go
(29:33):
out and find yourself a backup that is insurance for
if and when Dad gets hurt, Like, look, Dad's a
big guy, is a strong guy, freak accidents happened like this,
and then other accidents happened because he runs around from
time to time, and then the more you leave the pocket,
the more subjected you are to getting injured. The DAC
(29:53):
has some of that to his game. This is a
This is completely on Jerry Jones and Steven Jones for
their team being in this position. Whether it's Mike McCarthy
after one week already been on the hot seat, whether
it's not having a backup, whether it's the roster and
you're looking at how much Zeke is getting paid, or
whatever the case is. If they blow it up, the
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first person, they need to look at themselves. So we
need to bring someone in outside of the family to
come in and help us make decisions because we're blind
to our own mistakes. They can't do that. They won't, well,
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pons Why I even bring that up. Well, the reason
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Leonard four Nette and are gonna be able to lay
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back and he felt back into another dude's knee like it,
the whole play looked scary. It looked a little dangerous,
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(33:33):
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every single scenario where there's a dangerous play. It's just
it's just the reality of it. And so I don't know, um,
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for any tackle like it, more often not, the tackle
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a lot of fans out there. I think that that's
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of you gotta do away with that. I mean, take
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on YouTube. Larry Centers the spirit and the soul out
of people on the field, So I don't know. I
think that's just a part of write a passage. Like
I agree with Vaughan in the sense that you know
the way he feels because he's an elite pass rusher.
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were number thirty seven, yeah whatever, thirty one his final
year with the Patriots, though I remember that right, Um,
you see you know that I have all this stuff now,
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I mean, but what do you want? You want? Like
the number? I mean, he had nineteen catches for a
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was And where did he go to college there? Jonas?
I mean, listen, they clearly you know that I that
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I'm well aware of where he went to college, and
you know that I'm I'm sitting here looking at this
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the wrestler Steve Austin, so I just call it SF Austin.
And so did the Pride of Tatum High School out
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out there. Now you're right put his Like I was watching,
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how about that? Russell Wilson, Huh? How about? It's definitely
a Showman fan favorite. You know where do we want
(01:50):
to start with this? Say? The conversation started before the
game start? I mean, what the hell was that? I
don't know. Has he going to a prom? Apparently they
put more time and energy into a suit than he
did the clock management at the end of the God.
I mean, let's let's just break it down for a
(02:11):
second though. What was it that did it too much
for you? Was the color of the suit? The texture
because it was a boat. It was the boats high
for me? Yeah, and the shoes like it was all.
It was just like a very mace like very bad boy,
bad boy, bad take that. Take that, take that, you
know what I mean? Like shiny soup man, you know
what I mean? It was the boat's side for me,
man like had he just want to tie? I mean
(02:33):
like like I don't care how shiny it is, I
don't care what his shoes looked like the boat's house.
The thing that threw me off that I was like, oh, man, like,
that's just not a that's not a look. That's that's
not like a football look. And I know there's some
there's some guys out there who have the whole boat
tie thing and all that. I'm not a boat tie guy.
It just kind of sends off like, I don't know,
(02:55):
I hate to say this and not look like a meathhead,
but douche bag. I was gonna say nerdy either way
in eight football, So I was I was more taken
back by like I saw the boats, I was like,
oh god, it was it was the sunglasses from me,
it was just inside, I mean, did the walk, did
the walk do it? It wasn't even just the sunglasses
inside they look like liquor store or loakes, like you
(03:16):
ever you ever buy a pair of loakes at a
liquor store. They looked like they weren't even They weren't
even like a ray Bands or like a reputable You
gotta be yea unlimited with your spending because he walked
in with eighteen dollars in his pocket said can I
get a pair of lokes? And the rest on number three,
and then walked out and decided I'm gonna wear that
when I come on. Man, So you can't do apparently
(03:42):
something different than a pair of lokes with fifty million
or whatever you got. I mean that suit was probably
like ten thousand dollars a shine. Yeah, I don't care
how much it was. That doesn't make it look good. Yeah,
but you gotta you got like you gotta play. You
gotta pay for the bling, you know, And I've seen
plenty of people youre walk in the livery and really nice, like, Look,
(04:04):
it's a really expensive couch. It looks like crap. It
looks like you used one of your curtains to make
a couch. And I don't care how expensive is how comfortable?
This looks like crap, But I don't care. Would you
given him more credit? I would have actually respected him
more if he had like a ruffled under shirt, you know,
like like the the old prom pictures to where there
would be like the ruffles on the like there'd be
(04:26):
like some puff to him. You know what I mean.
There was like a different, different uh Seinfeld episode. But yeah, ahead, yeah, no,
I don't know. I mean I just remember like Tom
and not really because you know, I like makes you listen.
I liked that it wasn't at all so creak get
(04:47):
into the game. Like there's a few things like I was.
I was happy for Geno Smith, like I really was. Well,
they made they made a big story about that. I
was with him his rookie season and and I can
promise you this, that young man is growing up so much,
like he really has, like from where he was his
rookie year, first start at home versus Tampa and his
(05:11):
habits and all that to where he is at now.
And it's one of the reasons why he's probably still
in the league gett an opportunity besides the fact that
he is talented. I mean, that dude can spin it.
I said that from day one. I said, I don't
know if the mental stuff and the maturity will come around,
but he could spin it. He always could sling around
the football, and he was able to mature and hang
(05:32):
on long enough and be with it, be in a
good situation to where he finally got that shot, where
he was from a maturity standpoint, ready but prepared for
the moment. So good for Gino. I mean, he really
did in the beginning of that game like to me,
the way he played it like set the tone for
the rest of the game, how it was going to go.
That was the most animated I've ever seen him in
(05:55):
his entire career, the most like vocal, the most you know,
out of himself that I've ever seen Gino Smith. He's
generally been like an internal type of guy, very like
almost like nonchalant in the way he appears to you.
So the fact that he was into it, the way
that he was into it, I think said a lot.
I mean, he he clearly made it super super apparent
(06:18):
that he was, you know, just a static about having
the opportunity. But you know, the interesting thing was this,
this is a talented Denver Broncos team that went into
into Seattle to to play and then you know, you lose,
you lose player, you lose Jamal Adams. He he rolls out, Um,
(06:41):
this didn't seem like this was a probable game for Seattle.
But I think my takeaway was again, I want to
know what is Russell Wilson. And I've said this before
and shows prior. I want to know what in who
Russell Wilson is as a Denver Bronco. And I'm not
(07:02):
I'm not gonna cast any judgments just yet. I mean,
I thought he played a pretty good game. I don't.
I don't think that he played a bad game at all.
They just they faltered in the ridds on way too much,
too many, too many mistakes, I mean, how many. Like like,
here's the thing that there's gonna be optimism for Seahawks fans.
He's like, oh, you know, I want to know you're
(07:22):
getting nice winter home versus the Broncos. All that you've
got two fumbles on the one yard line. That ain't
happening again. Like, I'm sorry, it's not sustainable. It won't
happen again the rest of the season. Um the clock.
Here here's what here's what I took away from it. Look,
Russell was fine, he really was. I was more shocked
at the manner in which and what's concerning to me,
(07:43):
but shocked by the manner in which Nathaniel Hackett and
their defensive coordinator had kind of coached that game. I mean,
first off, I'll go back to training camp, preseason. You'll
remember when they played I think they played the Bills
in the preseason. They look soft like I mean, I'm
not questioning the toughness of these men, but they don't
play with any physicality and that showed out early in
(08:06):
that game. And again it was one of those kind
of tone setting things, especially on defense. They they did
not look like they were bringing what they need to
in order to compete at that level in the NFL.
The second thing was is there were some times where
you you could see and it could have been just
the fact that the starters hadn't you know, played really
at all in the preseason all that, but they just
(08:27):
seemed off and you expect that with the first you know,
your head coach, first time head coach and offense. But
down the stretch that was what was the most shocking.
You know, from my time in Seattle, one of the
things that Pete Carroll did so so well was two
minutes and clock management. I mean, I remember sitting in
quarterback rooms with Carl Smith and going over the scenarios
(08:49):
of Okay, we have this much time left, we have
no time outs. How many places can you get? Alright,
three place, coach, alright, we got this much time one
time out? How many places can we get? I mean
literally every day rehearsing this, and so you could walk
into that huddle concussed and you could say look at
the clock and go all right, we got twenty two seconds,
(09:09):
no time outs. We really can get one place safely
now and then maybe a field go out afterwards or
hail Mary afterwards, right, like like we we knew all
that time period, Like if you had sixteen seconds left, right,
that was the bare minimum. Like if you were desperate
you had to make something happen, sixteen seconds you could
get up, run a play clockett have time for something else,
but that's a field goal, hail Mary, whatever else. Like
(09:32):
that was like the bare minimum, right, I mean we
went through all these, all these scenarios, and and Russell
has been one of the most clutch quarterbacks in the
fourth quarter in two minutes of anyone in NFL history.
And so to sit there and watch with three timeouts
around midfield our fourth and five, you not burn one
right away and go okay, then let's talk about this
(09:55):
burn and then burned it like it's not like they
play did a play they and then call time out
and then call it time out. And so at that
point you should be saying yourself, okay, we got three
time outs, right, We're gonna call the time right right now.
And you can't call it back to back time out obviously,
But what you're gonna do is you're gonna talk in
the huddle and say we're gonna run. We're gonna try
(10:16):
to run some sort of because he's gonna be in
a shotgun double silent count, right, a little couple of
head bobs something like that. You want the defense to
get a jump. You want to try to maybe get
one of them to jump offsides, get a free play,
all right, and then from there we're gonna try to
convert this thing. And then after we convert this thing,
we're probably gonna have to call another time out. Regroup. Well,
one time I left. We'll go from there, but we'll
be closer in field goal range. We'll say that last
(10:37):
time out for the field goal. But the fact that
like they just sat there and walked to the line
and act like they didn't have any clue what they
were doing. To me, it was an indictment on Nathaniel
hack It and the lack of preparation for getting this team,
Like he's kind of one of those guys that everyone
loves the media because his high energy and all that stuff.
His team weren't prepared and and it was actually even
(10:58):
worse though for as much as Russell has played that
he let that happen, Like at some point in your
career when you take it in your own hands, which
he has. That's twice in Denver, you gotta be the
one to sit out there and go time out, burnwy
go what the hell are you doing? Like why are
you trying to waste thirty seconds on the clock, Like
I I didn't see the sideline erupted like they were
matt A. Russell for not getting things organized. It seemed
(11:18):
like it was more of Nathaniel Hackett and that staff
not know what the hell they were trying to do.
Called time out and talk about it. It It was it
wasn't that complicated. They made a very very simple scenario
or situation looks so complicated it made me question everything
with this season is gonna be for the Denver Broncos. Well,
Nathaniel Hacket, the head coach of the Denver Broncos, he
tried to explain the decision making on the sixty four
(11:41):
yard field goal attempt. Here was the Broncos head coach. Obviously,
I wish we would have gotten a lot closer, but
it put us in that weird spot there because we
were in the field goal range, but we were on
that fourth down situation. Um didn't think we were gonna
get that many yards. So I thought it was a
great job by Javante and we just made the decision
we want to take our shot there on that one.
So there it is. You'd tell me, what do you
have a better chance of making a sixty four yard
(12:02):
field gore four and five? Right, honestly a fourth and
five or sixty four yeard, Well, I saw the numbers.
There was somebody who did the math on at the
analytics and they said that, uh, it's like forty six
percent of the time teams convert on a fourth and
five at that point in the field, and about twenty
percent of the time they'll make a sixty four yard
(12:23):
field or or something along those lines. It was significantly
in favor of you pick up the first down on
a fourth and five in that spot here, Troy didn't
you did you hear Troy what Troy said? They couldn't
figure out what the hell was happening. Well, I thought
it was interesting because I thought it, but I didn't
say it out loud while I was sitting there to myself.
But it's like they put more trust and and and
(12:46):
now this kind of goes back to you saw you
heard that right like it go It kind of goes
back to the whole Seattle thing, like, oh, let rust cook,
let rust cook. Let put it in rust his hands.
But that was the perfect time for Rust to get
another play because he was marching. They weren't really stopping him.
Get to get the first down, get out of bounce
(13:08):
or whatever, get the time out, and and then figure
out what you're gonna do from there. The fact that
they were like, Okay, we're relying on the fact that
our kicker can make the kick from here, and we're
not even gonna put Rest in a position where he
has to to be either the hero or the goat
or the hill, so to speak. In this situation I
(13:28):
thought was when when when Troy said it, I was like, man,
I was thinking it, and now Troy just put it
out to the entire world. Now, now you're gonna have
to answer questions why didn't you trust Russell Wilson a
minute eleven left, you're at midfield, you've got all three
time out, and you get one more play in a
sixty four yard field goal attempts. So even after the
(13:50):
thing that I'm shocked by is even after you wasted
the thirty seconds and you call the time out and
it's still fourth and five, It's like, okay, we have
two time outs left, and I don't care if you
had twenty twenty some seconds whatever it was. It's like, dude,
you could still go for here, and you still have
enough time with time outs. You know, the average play
takes about six seven seconds, and so you could still
(14:12):
make it even if you you didn't trust Russ necessarily
in that scenario, which is it's a little bit hard
to believe. I think it was more just the ineptitude
of Nathaniel Hack and the coaching staff, never having been
in this scenario as a head coach before and understanding
how to manage it, but I look back and go
even then, you should have just came back out and go, Okay,
(14:33):
we had time to talk about this, Let's go for it.
Let's get this again. If I'm Russell and they try
to put a field goal kicker out there, I'm going,
what no, make Brandon gets your ass back on the bench,
like we might kick one, but it's not right now,
Like that's how you handled that. I'm just I'm shocked
by the fact that, like and I said this before,
remember about Aaron Rodgers, we were talking about the playoffs
(14:55):
and this it was before we were working together, LeVar.
But it was no different than when he looking over
the Green Bay sidelines and those guys like trying to
take him off instead of going for it. I mean,
it's at some point in your career and I know
you're like, we're going for this, We're not doing this.
(15:15):
At some point you gotta take charge. And that's the
thing is Russell was already trying. I mean, and again
I know Seattle and the whole story, and they were
trying to move on from him before he was trying
to move on from them, and maybe that's what created
the fracture. Regardless you're in Denver. Now the rest of
this story is going to be pinted out what your
legacy looks like as a Denver bronco And so he's
(15:37):
gonna take this into his hands as far as what
he's gonna do moving forward, and last night was a
missed opportunity. And it also feels like if it this
is the coaching debut for Nathaniel Hackett and he struggles
in these moments. Like Brian Billick talked about it before,
thinking he was really prepared and he had studied in
all this stuff, and then he got to become a
head coach and he realized there were other things that
he didn't factor into it and he just sort of
(15:57):
had to learn to adapt to all of that stuff.
Problem for the Nathaniel Hackett is now, because everybody saw
it and it played on a national TV, there's gonna
be questions about this guy moving forward, like like no
matter what, it's just like Brandon Staley last year with
his decision making that became the storyline of the off
season going into this year the entire year, Nathaniel Hackett
(16:18):
is gonna be questioned. Now, Hey, we've seen this playout
before national television. Are we sure he's gonna know what
to do with the clock here? And now now they've
been putting this spot. You know what I kept thinking
watching that game, boy Denver, Mrs vic Fancio, like watching
that defense and just watching the overall the outcome of
the game. I'm going, if Vic Fancio is there, I
(16:40):
feel like there's a different outcome here, like I really do.
Because and it's odd because with Nathaniel Hackey, you would
have thought they would have put that on Russ's shoulders
to get the first out and all that. With vic Fancio,
I know they would have because he was saying, like
this is the guy that they were away from being
a successful football team. And trust me, he was waiting
for the moment during his tenure in Denver to have
(17:01):
a quarterback that he could say, no, no, no, you
go get the first down on fourth and five, drive
us down further so we can have a more makeup
field going to go win this thing. I thought, that's
why you pay all that money for fourth down in five? Yeah,
I mean for real, right, I mean isn't that isn't
that why you got the three bay room home. That's
that's a thousand, a hundred thousand, like to deliver on
(17:24):
fourth and five. That's why you were a sign suit
out there, which shoes Still another piece in all this,
you know, the Hackett was hired after the new ownership
group took over. And I can promise you the Walton family,
you know, that whole Walmart, the whole big, big hole
conglomerate that Walmart is right, Like, I'm sure they were
(17:46):
smart enough to say when they just bought this team,
what the hell was that? Like, Look, we we made
our money, you know, through through change of Walmart. Right,
but but even we can understand clock manage and how
this all works, Like, what the hell was that? I
think because of the timing in which Nathaniel Hackett was
hired and the ownership group took over, that probably lends
(18:09):
Hacket to be on a shorter leash. That's that's my
instuation with all this. And I'm not saying that, hey,
they're gonna fire him after one year, but these are
the sorts of things where people are keeping a tab,
they're keeping receipts of and they're saying after one year
and in the year two, if this thing gets ugly
or looks ugly and it doesn't look good next year.
(18:31):
He gone, like, that's how this all works out. I
don't think it's outside the Roman possibility. He gets clipped
after one year, if they missed the if they if
they missed the postseason, and ownership goes, we're paying all
this money to this guy. We need an improvement here,
and Sean Payton sitting on the sidelines. You don't think
they would make a call to Sean Payton. He's got
his own office. So you better in a shiny suit. Yeah,
(18:54):
and and that and that's the other thing is that
ownership group. You know, if they move on from Nathaniel
Hacke to obviously let all that happen with Russell coming in,
you you just block off the door, you pack up
the boxes, you send that crap down the quarterback room,
and you go, yeah, maybe we need to be up here, right, Yeah, Yeah,
it's uh, it's it's got money we didn't gave you.
(19:17):
With that shiny ass tight suit, you can't deliver us
a fourth of five. Hey, you know what looks bad though?
That's suit doesn't look the same post game it does.
I didn't let it goes from being like, you know,
like stylish as hell to like clownish is hell right,
Like it was kind of like the step Brothers, you
know when they show up in the tuxedos to interview
(19:38):
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this isn't very funny, I can get out. And when
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so the Dallas Cowboys are screwed. Dak Prescott is going
to be out for a minimum of six weeks, more
closer to eight weeks from some of the reporting out
there on the screw before. Then probably screwed before. Yeah,
they probably were screwed before. If they were to listen
to you, they would have known it. You've been You've
(21:49):
been calling Philly for the entire offseason. I'm just saying
their offense has been a liability since before Dak Prescott's
unfortunate departure. Right, How does Michael Parsons feel about it?
You've talked to him. Come on, I mean, I I
really don't get into all of those things when I
speak with him. I mean, and it's just talking about
the obvious. The defense delivers. The defense has has become
(22:15):
the strength of the team, and they don't have an
established running attack, they don't have an established passing game,
and they don't have a stable offensive line. It just
says what it is. I mean, I wouldn't have said
that they now based off of Dak Prescott going out.
It's like, oh, there goes the season. Like it maybe
(22:37):
more of there goes the season, you know, But I
mean their offensive was a liability it was this year.
I mean, here, here's the thing I would say is
I mean, based on rankings at least they were the
number one offense in the NFL last year, So I
don't know, like then they had their moments, like clearly
the way last season ended, the whole two minute drive,
(22:57):
whatever the hell that was, Like, that's the liability, right,
Like it's their inability in clutch situations to deliver or
find a way. Um, I think moving on this year,
the way Week one look like for sure their defense
is kind of taken over as that group. But I don't,
I don't. I don't know that we could, you know,
say that based on last year at least, not considering
(23:20):
their results and how good their offense was at times.
But I mean, look at the way that game looked.
I don't if Doc was in or not, wouldn't matter.
You know, they have they have problems. I mean, they
have a wide receiver group that you know, outside of
Ceedee Lamb, who they're trying to make him into this
number one guy, which you see what that looks like
now without Amori Cooper out, there a lot more difficult
(23:41):
tasks And I don't know that he's got the support
around him at the wide receiver spot to take off
some of the pressure away from him. You know. Outside
that's Dalton Schultz, and that's the running backs. It's Zeke
and Tony Pollard. That's about it. The offensive lot. As
you touched on him, it's it's made a transition. Now
you don't have Tron Smith. It's Tyler Smith. You know,
(24:01):
different with a rookie there. McGovern's out. I mean, there's
just all these issues now that they're facing, and I
think they're gonna have a hard time, you know, getting
back to being the number one offense in the league.
I just think that those stats were misleading because they
didn't win big games. It's like they had great stats
and they won games, but they didn't win big games.
Like I don't know, name a big game off the
(24:24):
top of my head. I can't think of well, I mean,
it depends how you look at it. Like they won
the division last year, so it's not like they didn't
win big games like the beat Philly twice. I mean big.
What I'm saying, like, if we're saying Phillies the team
to this year, they swept him last year, YEA It
depends on what you what your view as a big game.
(24:44):
I'm basing Philly's success off of their offseason and and
they were close in in some regards. They had a
running attack, they didn't have a passing attack, and I
think they went and addressed that pretty aggressively. But in
terms of last year, at games like as in like
the the opener you see them in in a game
against Tampa last year, it's like you felt as though
(25:08):
they were going to see each other at some point.
But you know what they lost. But here's the problems.
You can't put it all on the offense. And they
scored almost scored thirty points. Now, yeah, I mean that's
that's fair. That's fair. And and again statistically speaking last year,
you would say coming into this year, this should be
a pretty balanced team and and they should be able to,
(25:28):
you know, if in some cases, cruise to an NFC title,
not just win one. They should be able to cruise
to an NFC East title and see where they're going
from there. It just doesn't. This team just hasn't shown
that they can separate themselves and in the wash, like
when we start getting into the more elite teams that
(25:50):
were out there last year. Now this year, I think
that there's more of an opportunity, but they stink like
I I don't. I don't think that they're going to
be good enough. But this is an opportunity this year.
I mean, I think we saw a lot of parody
on on Sunday, like, Okay, you know there there is
still the opportunity. Like I don't look at any team
right now today and say, okay, here's the most dominant
(26:13):
team in the NFC. So there's there is the opportunity.
I just don't think that it's Dallas and what they
got going on on offense the side of the ball. Yeah, well,
Steven Jones, I mean the one consistent there in Dallas
is the fact that the Jones is they love to
do radio hits. Uh. Stephen Jones is on with the
fan in Dallas, and he had a little bit of
(26:33):
optimism yesterday about his quarterback. We feel very confident he'll
he'll be back. We just don't know that time frame
right now. Is there any concern with what happened in
back half of maybe last year and now this that
deck is injury prone? No, I think Doc is built
to last. I think, you know, Obviously, those uh hand
injuries with quarterbacks in pockets or are tough ones. And uh,
(26:58):
I don't think he's in ry prone until like he'll
rebound from this. He's a great leader. He'll be out
there leading to charge. I know we won't miss anything,
and I think great things are a head of deck.
So there's a little bit of optimism there. So what's
the planet? He sounded very subdued, hold on for a second,
very somber. He's gonna be out at least six weeks
(27:21):
at least. I mean, we don't know what type of
fracture it was on his thumb, but I could sell
you regardless of his throwing hand, and it's gonna take
at least six weeks for that bone to try to
heal and and to feel like he's gonna able to
group of football again at least probably longer. Like this
is a scenario where we saw it happen last year
(27:42):
with Russell Wilson with his mallet finger, and he was
on an aggressive track to come back, and what happened
when he came back, I came back to you soon
didn't look the same. It's gonna it's gonna have the
deck if that's the case, like I would bank on,
like if he comes back before six weeks, that's concerning
in the sense of I don't know what to expect
of the the past game because it looks bad as it was.
(28:03):
I mean, based on what their past game looked Week one.
I know the Tampa by defense is good. Top Bowls
is one of the better defensive minds, but still, like
I don't know, you don't want to come back earlier
with that, and so you're able to be with a
wide receiver group that outside of Ceedee Lamb, I'm not
sure really threatens many people. The feeling is Week ten
is after the bye week November, they're at Green Bay
(28:26):
and that's the most likely spot that Dak Prescott comes back.
Oh my god, can I can I ask this one?
They're done? What does Jerry Jones do the moment in
time you got to say this season is done? Does
he blow it up? Is Zeke out of there? Is
Dak out of there? Like is McCarthy out of there?
(28:49):
McCarthy I think it's the first one to go. The
hard thing about letting go of anyone is they've got
to make, like admit mistakes, Like if you want to
let go a zeke like you sign him that contract.
It's not like you brought in a general manager, like
that's Stephen Jones, that's you. The hard part about where
they're at now is, hey, you didn't have a backup.
(29:11):
That's on you. Like at one point you had one
quarterback on this roster and when you cut everyone, Cooper
Rush and will career because of you know, different capivlications
and how you want to bring him back. But that's
on you, like you looked at a quarterback who had
been hurt before that. You're paying a bunch of money
and you feel like you're roster in a good spot.
You won the division last year, and you didn't go
(29:33):
out and find yourself a backup that is insurance for
if and when Dad gets hurt, Like, look, Dad's a
big guy, is a strong guy, freak accidents happened like this,
and then other accidents happened because he runs around from
time to time, and then the more you leave the pocket,
the more subjected you are to getting injured. The DAC
(29:53):
has some of that to his game. This is a
This is completely on Jerry Jones and Steven Jones for
their team being in this position. Whether it's Mike McCarthy
after one week already been on the hot seat, whether
it's not having a backup, whether it's the roster and
you're looking at how much Zeke is getting paid, or
whatever the case is. If they blow it up, the
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first person, they need to look at themselves. So we
need to bring someone in outside of the family to
come in and help us make decisions because we're blind
to our own mistakes. They can't do that. They won't, well,
they can, they won't. Ye. It's Two Pros and a
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Sunday Night Football, Leonard four Nette laid a vicious chick
(32:27):
pons Why I even bring that up. Well, the reason
I bring it up is because Von Miller took the
Twitter and said, this block must be taken out of
the game. This is the future and we are just
letting the offense tee off on our mark key pass rushers.
You could get the job done without this much contact.
I disagree with that too. It's not a chop block.
(32:51):
I actually thought that that's a badge of honor when
you gotta deal with multiple guys trying to block you.
So I don't know that I agree with that. There's
also I mean that the hit looked vicious on Mica
in part because you've got to turn in fifty pound
running back doing that like it's It's not very often
or there's not many guys who weigh as much as
(33:12):
Leonard four Nette and are gonna be able to lay
a block like that. I mean, I mean, I I'll
be honest, I could see from the player's safety standpoint,
how when you see the way Micah fell, he fell
back and he felt back into another dude's knee like it,
the whole play looked scary. It looked a little dangerous,
especially for one of the young budding stars on defense. Um,
(33:33):
but that's football. I mean, it's it's hard to eliminate
every single scenario where there's a dangerous play. It's just
it's just the reality of it. And so I don't know, um,
how you take out that element of scheme and give
offensive lines any shot Because Micah Parsons, Von Miller, LaVar
Arranton whoeveryone throw in the conversation, that's a huge mismatch
(33:56):
for any tackle like it, more often not, the tackle
is not gonna be able to hold up. And so
if you take out that element of an offense's counter
to that, it's gonna change the game in a big way.
And unfortunately, like it's an offensive game. You know, fantasy
fans like people like points, that second half last thing,
I'm not sure it was was the most entergating for
(34:17):
a lot of fans out there. I think that that's
one of those plays that's that's further down the list
of you gotta do away with that. I mean, take
a look at Clinton Portis and Larry Centers, who is
the godfather of chip blocking you if you thought that
was brutal, let me tell you something that go go
check out Larry if And that's a long time ago,
(34:38):
so I don't know how much film would be available
on YouTube. Larry Centers the spirit and the soul out
of people on the field, So I don't know. I
think that's just a part of write a passage. Like
I agree with Vaughan in the sense that you know
the way he feels because he's an elite pass rusher.
(34:59):
But for what it's worth outside of sentimental value, I
don't buy Larry Center's old Phoenix Cardinal. I think you
were number thirty seven, yeah whatever, thirty one his final
year with the Patriots, though I remember that right, Um,
you see you know that I have all this stuff now,
(35:22):
I just off memory, like I don't know any of
this time. I'm not looking at anything. There's no computers
up here in the studio. We're dealing with the WiFi issue.
I mean, but what do you want? You want? Like
the number? I mean, he had nineteen catches for a
hundred six yards is finally that was another thing he
was And where did he go to college there? Jonas?
I mean, listen, they clearly you know that I that
(35:42):
I'm well aware of where he went to college, and
you know that I'm I'm sitting here looking at this
right now, looking at s F Austin obviously as Yeah,
but you know, I don't want to confuse people with
the wrestler Steve Austin, so I just call it SF Austin.
And so did the Pride of Tatum High School out
of Texas. But again Tyler Texas, I believe, not even
(36:05):
not even trying to brag here, just just want to
let people know that this is the the situation and
the reason I know everything about Larry Centers obviously is
because he wore number thirty seven and uh, and I
followed him religiously throughout his career there. But else we
got lee guys, in case you were wondering, Uh, the
reported salaries for both Adrian Peterson and Leby on Bell
(36:28):
for the exhibition boxing match. Well, Lady on Bell made
two fifty thousand up front. Up up front, Adrian Peterson
only reportedly made fifteen thousand. That disclosed salaries before pay
per view incentives and the cut of the ticket sales.
Adrian Adrian Peterson only made So what is that after taxes?
(36:49):
Brady was that in Florida, though it depends on his
current That was in the at the Bank of California,
So he got about he got about twenty two bucks,
uh to get to get his snooze button hit. That's
on his current income. But look at the pay per
view is what could could jump that figure up. But man,
(37:11):
that's uh, that's a tough. Look. Don't take that fight
unless you think you're gonna win because there's not much
upside there. I mean that that right hand had a
little bit of thunder and lightning in it. I'll tell
you that. You know, I think you look like he's
boxed a lot. Like you look like a legit boxer
out there. Now you're right put his Like I was watching,
(37:34):
I was like, damn, he faded. It was yeah, yeah,
he definitely put that that right hand out there is
like you see this right hand. Okay, now I'm gonna
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