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good morning. By the way, Week seven in the NFL
kicks off later on tonight, how about it? How about it?
Week seven in the NFL kicking off later on tonight.
We got cards, we got Saints, and we still aren't
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quite sure who's going to play quarterback for the New
Orleans Saints. Last check? What was it? Andy? Yeah? It
is true? Yeah? When did the when did the thirty
day free trials start to expire? For anybody that was
watching Amazon, we're there, actually there right now. Yeah you're
if you're watching out, you're paying for it. Yeah, that's unfortunate,
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But doesn't matter who's starting a quarterback for the New
Orleans Saints, whether it's Jamis Winson or Andy Dalton, considering
they are riddled with injuries. I don't even know who's
playing wide receiver for them at this point because they've
been crushed. I think o Lave will be back for
this one, but I don't think Landi or Thomas will.
And the biggest issue maybe the fact that Lattimore is
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not back at cornerback and you've got d Hop back
for the Cardinals, so they're looking for a boost. We'll
see him. I mean, Robby Anderson is there now. I'm
not sure what he'll be able to do, if anything,
given that he just got there. But he's got speed,
he's a veteran wide receiver. I don't think it'd be
too hard to say, hey, run a slant, want to
kill route like like those things are kind of easy
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to teach receivers um and give him like a handful
of things to do. Because Mark's Brown's out and that's
obviously why you bring in a guy like that with
Robbianison to bring in some speeds. So, like, this line
looked funny to me when I first saw it. I
was like, man, Arizona's at home and they're playing against
the Saints, that it banged up. This should be like
a three point spread, like we're Cardinals are given three
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maybe maybe three and a half. So maybe I'm the fish,
but I think this is like a get right game,
short week, Arizona at home. I think you gotta lay
the points, but I don't know. So it's just it
looks fishy to me. Yeah, what does somebody know about
New Orleans that we don't know? They put take some
hill at quarterback At times, it only takes, like think
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about it, when when teams are struggling like these two teams,
it only takes two three explosive plays that puts you
in position to get field goals or get get touchdowns.
Thursday Night Football knows that all too well. Yeah, by
the way out, Michael's is one more field goal fest
away from drinking in the booth. I swear to guy,
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he's going to turn into Bob Yuker from Major League
and just start ripping booze in the booth while he's
watching this band like that show brock Meyer Far here's
a here's all I asked you, guys. The Cardinals are
two and four. Both teams are two and four right now.
But if you look at the Cardinal schedule kind of
had him a like around this, like I think I
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thought they'd go three and three in the first six
without DeAndre Hopkins. And then looking at their schedule, like
the toss up game for me was Philly at home,
which that was a close loss for them, and then
at Seattle, which divisional game, Like I think, you know,
Seattle and Arizona will probably split. So if you really
look at like, there's I mean, I didn't have them
beat in Kansas City to open the season. Why not
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come on, like we could say all we want about,
like the struggles right now of the Cardinals offensively, which yeah,
they're one of the worst offenses in the first half.
You also know that they're actually one of the best
offense of the second half of games. Why that's the case?
I have no idea, trust me. People keep asking that.
I'm like, I don't know. If I knew I'd be
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on the Cardinals coaching staff, and you'd be able to
figure this thing out. But I guess I'll ask you
guys like they look like they're struggling. But I look
at it and just go, yeah, this is about where
we thought they'd be. Like, I didn't have them being
better than a four and two team. Two and four
was kind of the floor, and I thought three and
three is probably what they'd be. I mean, at least
that's how I said at this point. I also look
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at it. This is the first game they've been favored.
If I'm not if I'm not mistaken, I don't think
they've been favored in any single game this year. This
is the first one and and or it might have
been maybe last week in Seattle, but I think that
was about was it like a one point spread or
something like that. So this really is like if your
expectations on the Cardinals, like mine were, were a lot
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higher than others, then you're probably surprised that they're sitting
where they are. But I think there's a lot of
people who, without you know, having a vested interest one
way or another, are not trying to bet on the season,
looked at this team and said they're flawed. The flaws
are probably going to get exposed early in the season,
and maybe they are second half of the season team
for the first time in Cliff and Kyler's existence together
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in the NFL. I just, yeah, I don't think it's
that surprising, considering the betting lines and the numbers would
tell you they were expected and projected to lose these games,
and outlook if they didn't. If they didn't pull off
that win against the Raiders, we're looking at a one
win team right now. But they weren't favored versus Carolina. Yeah,
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it wasn't. Caroline was a one point favor right, Caroline
was a one point Jesus. Yeah, I'm a lot about
how the prognosticators feel about the card I can't believe
I picked them to win the division right there. What
an awful pick that, man. I don't know. I mean,
they're not out of it. They're not out of it.
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They're not out of it, even though they are owing
to within their their own division. It's it's it's a
deep hole that they they found themselves in. But I
don't know. I'm kind of with Q on this. When
you look at the games that they've already played, they've
kind of even with that Raiders game, if you're looking
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back on it, it's like, Okay, the teams that they want,
It's like, I feel like what we know about those
teams now, they beat the teams that they were supposed
to beat, and they lost to the teams they were
supposed to lose to. I mean, I think it's pretty
simple that way. But the question is are they improving
enough to beat a Saints team and then take that
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into you know, the next the following week where they're
actually playing uh, probably a better team. Yeah, most likely
a better team in the vikings. That's one of those
step up games because it's leading into that rematch with
Seattle in so many weeks to to be able to
actually maybe claw and scrap at your way back into
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uh the divisional race. So these are these next three
games are are truly truly like really important games, right
this this Saint game is a step up game. You
got him at home. Um the Saints, as you mentioned,
they they are um for the taking. So you can't
lose this game if you're Arizona and you want to
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make a run for the playoffs and you really want
to put yourself in a position where you're making a
bid for your division um already being two games behind,
then you they gotta play well tonight. Like it's uh,
I know, I know everybody hates this term, but it's
almost one of those must win weeks as it's a
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step up game that they probably really will look at
in the history of this this this season and say
that was a game they needed to have one if
they were going to be able to turn their season around. Well,
I just the fact that, like there's been heat on
Kyler Murray, people making jokes about call of duty and
all this other stuff and trying to correlate that with
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his performances over his career. Cliff Kingsbury is getting a
hard time from people about his play calling. He's even
said publicly he might give up play calling. And and look,
they invested into all of them. In the off season.
Kingsbury gets an extend and he gets a new deal,
Kyler Murray gets a new deal, and and just when
you think that, like if there's any potential question about
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how they feel about it, they're like, we're gonna go
after and get one of the receivers that's viewed as
a potentially a problem in Carolina, like we've got we've
got an injury to Marquis Brown, don't worry about that.
He's not even out for the entire season. But they
go give Robbie Anderson, Like, I do respect the fact
that they basically doubled down and they're like, we feel
like what we have is going to work. It's just
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a matter of like bringing the right pieces de hops
back like this is gonna work, I promise you, And
I do think that when you think about what this
roster will look like with Robby Anderson and ron Dale
Bore and Marquis Brown when he does come back, which
again could be six six weeks away. Still, if they
are in the playoff hunt, that is one hell of
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a wide receiver rosster to throw to. Like, that's just
a ton of speed and a lot of problems for
anyone else you're going up against. So I think if
they can win tonight and they survive like the next
six weeks, let's say they go three and three over
that span, they could potentially make a run where I mean,
look at the NFC right now. You can't tell me
that nine and eight is not a playoff team. The
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way things are going right now, in the NFC, there's
no one outside of Philly. Maybe you'd say Minnesota, you know,
running away with anything right now? How close is Kingsbury
to being on the hot seat. And let me just
pose what if scenario, say they go out because Nathaniel
Hackett has gotten a lot of the heat because in
primetime games they've looked awful, and so everybody's watching, and
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it's a conversation the next morning, and it lead shows
and and that happens throughout the country and we're talking
one and done with Nathaniel Hackett, with on Peyton looming
is the big name that's out there on the market
potentially to be a head coach next year if this
goes south, and say they look awful tonight, and the
voices start getting louder and louder, and say continues down
the path of roller coaster, and they do miss the playoffs,
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and they're significant underdog to make the playoffs according to
draft kings right now five to one to make the playoffs.
So they're all the money is saying they're not going
to the playoffs. Do you think there's a scenario in
which Arizona, knowing Sean Payton is out there figures out
a way to move on from Cliff Kingsbury and says,
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we've identified the problem. If this guy is already speaking
publicly on play calling issues, let's bring in Sean Payton,
another guy who worked with an undersized quarterback in New Orleans,
got him a Super Bowl one, a bunch of games.
Do you think there's a possibility that Cliff Kingsbury could
be out this year? Because I actually do. There's always
a possibility if you feel like you've got a guy
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that you know, you try us more, believe in more.
But he has signed through. So that's the tough part
is Okay, you get through, so you gotta pay him
until then. And it's not like Sean Payton's gonna come cheap.
He's probably cost you at least ten million a year.
And so if I'm Sean Payton and I'm looking at
some of these other deals that were signed, I mean,
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I think the toughest thing is what Matt rules side
was a seven year deal worth sixty some million, seventy
some because he's got like what forty left a little
bit more than left on the deal. Yeah, I mean,
if I'm Sean Payton, like my and I look at
some of these college coaches jobs and what they're being paid,
Like they're getting paid nine ten a year. That's the
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floor for me. I mean, I want a super Bowl.
I'm gonna go in there and say, you gotta to
pay me at least ten eleven, twelve million a year,
and so you gotta pay that on top of what
you know. Kingsbury, like, I just I almost wonder if
they feel like that would be a little bit bit
of a panic move. Um, but if you can go
get a good coach and you feel like he's better
than the guy you got, then you got to spend
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the money to do so. Because it only takes one
season where you have that magical season you go and
win a super Bowl and then everyone's kind of like, well,
no one's remembering what what mistakes we made before that. Yeah,
it's quite the risk. It's I mean, I guess yet
it's not a risk. It's just that's that's a that's
a very very large pill to swallow. You just gave
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that extension. There's there's some part of you go, Okay,
they go they went five ten and one three years
ago that the COVID year, they go eight and eight
and then they go eleven and six this past season. Like,
I understand, not making the playoffs and not getting the
eleven win mark would be a drop off in the
progression of where we're going. But one of the biggest
mistakes I think organizations make is when they see one
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down season, they're like, all right, let's just turn it over,
scrap everything, just throw it all out. Like that's not
usually the way you should you should deal with things.
You might just want to say, hey, maybe we had
a bad year, like maybe there are some injuries, we
had our best players to spend it for the first
six games. We're still trying to figure out some some
stuff offensively, whether it's with the scheme, offensive line. You know,
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maybe it'd be better off of Cliff can oversee the
whole thing. Let's not have them call plays, Let's have
him bring someone else in that can call plays. Like,
there's all sorts of things that I think would be
probably a more economical response. But I mean, sometimes these
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tug of Bloa. Spoke with the media yesterday and of
course he was going to be bombarded with questions about
the hit against Cincinnati and the concussions to the left
fans to the Yeah, Jimmy Buffett right by the way,
Lee is literally bobbing up and down. He can't get
enough of this little little Jimmy Buffett here this early
in the morning. You don't even know that song, Lee,
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you're talking about play that song? Play it? You know, Margaritaville,
you don't know that should that should be our to
a song every time we bring him in to the
what if? By the way, that song stinks first fun
when you're at the game, though, the worst that they are,
the better that it is. Man, alright, well, bar LaVar,
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what's better that? Are Steelers polka? Oh? Man, don't never
do that? Yeah, Steelers polka is that's just that's just classic,
amazing nous man. What about the Miami Dolphins fight song?
Miami has got up like that? Uh, that song but
from the seventies. That's better than fins to the left
and right and in the middle and to the left
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and right. It's just, you know, it's just fun. Well,
whatever it is to us. Spoke yesterday and he explained
he was singing that song now he was not singing
that song. He explained though the play against Cincinnati what
happened in the play, and then also talked about some
conversations he's had about the long term concerns when it
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comes to his head injuries. I wouldn't say it was
scary for me at the time because there were there
There was a point where I was unconscious, so I couldn't,
you know, really tell what was going on. I remember
the entire night up to the point where I got tackled,
but after I got tackled, I don't remember much from
they're getting carded off. I don't remember that, but I
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do remember things that were going on when I was
in the ambulance and then when I arrived at the hospital.
There's not necessarily as much long term risk. You know,
let's say guys get about six concussions. Well, those guys
that only have six concussions, that are playing the position
that I'm playing where we don't hit as much, are
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less susceptible to getting ct E later on in their
years than someone who's playing a position where they're constantly
taking hits or blows to the head, which would be
O line, D line, um linebackers. And that's kind of
some of the information that I've you know, been given
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from a lot of these doctors you know that are
best of the best in their field. So there it
is too. I'm sure somebody will have a problem with
what he just said. You know, I loved the doctors.
He's is not a doctor to be speaking in those terms,
but he can speak. He hits his opinion. It's nice
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for him. It's nice for him to speak his opinion
on it. And and and to to his point, he
is right. There are other guys. I made the point
on my Instagram, on my socialty other that let this
past Sunday with with Kelsey. Guys are hitting their heads
all the time. Guys are hitting their heads all the time.
He's he's one right about that with different positions. It's
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just it's just like polarizing or it's so sensationalized when
certain people hit their heads and they react away that
they react. You know, guys shake that ss off all
the time and nobody even sees it. Nobody even sees it.
So for you know, I liked them chatting light on
it the way that he did. I just would say,
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for me, I caution guys that that speak in in
you know, kind of met cool terms when you're not
in the medical field, you know, and that's that's I
always feel like that's just rule of thumb, protecting yourself,
you know, by staying away from medical talk speak in
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terms of your terms, there's no problem. But when once
you get off into talking about the whole CTE thing
and what it represents. I mean, I just always and
I'm I cringe. I cringe unless unless you're a doctor,
that that's playing football. Even if you're a doctor, I don't.
I mean, we still don't know a lot about ct
about the head injuries. You know why some people are
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more susceptible than others too. I mean, to your point,
there are a lot of guys who they get hit
in the head, they get up, they shake it off,
there's not an issue. There's other guys who get knocked
out all the time. Like I play with some guys,
some safeties who they used to be big hitters, but
you knew every single time, like they got that big
hit on the sideline, like yeh, all right, well I
hope you know, you hope he's okay, But like they
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would knock themselves out like almost every single time to
be a big hit like that, and so it's it's tough,
but I mean the concussion story and his thing, like
I can relate to remember my first bad one in college.
I remember, not like I remember the next like like
later that day, waking up in the infirmary in the
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hospital and you know, kind of talking through some things
with my dad. I eventually got released, and then the
next day like coming in watching film with my teammates
and be like, man, I don't remember any of this,
Like I didn't remember anything. I played the entire second
half of the game, and I think they like we
we had a drive where we went up and then
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after that, like people in the huddle were like, dude,
he's being weird, Like yeah, you all gotta take him out,
like there something wrong with him. I started dry heating,
I guess on the sidelines, and then that was it.
But I don't remember to this day. And I went
back watched some of them goes like man, I probably
shouldn't have made that throw, but it worked out. Like
it was just one of those things where it's a
crazy experience. I'm I'm sure it's scary to some people,
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might have been scary to my dad. At the time,
since he was kind of with me step by step
through it. But the reality is like, I'm okay, you know,
we made it through. Man, I'm having here with you guys.
You know we're doing okay. You know. Uh. You know
what pisces me off about it, though, is when you
get people on the outside who try and instruct players
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the risks and the dangers of what they're what they're doing.
And here's here's just the facts. And this is probably
gonna bother a lot of people, but I'm one of
these people, so so I'll speak on behalf of the group,
the reason why those players do what they do. And
there's a clear separation between between what you guys do
and what we do. Like we we can't understand the
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idea of getting concussed like that and willingly going out
there to engage in another car accident potentially the next week.
We can't understand that. But that's why you guys are
the point, oh one. And I'm not trying to kiss
anybody's asked here. It's just a reality. It's the same
with boxers, it's the same with fighters. There's a certain
thing that you have to have in your mind to
where you come to terms with the risk that's involved
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with what you're about to do. You're you're you're engaging
in sanctioned violence, and when you engage in that, bad
things are going to happen from time to time. And
it's like when I hear people say, well, you know,
too is talking about all these long term issues, Clearly
he's not. He's not thinking about his future, or you
know when he's when he speaks so nonchalant about stuff
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like that. The reason why we don't do and can't
understand or comprehend what it is that those guys go
through and what you guys go through on the field
is because we're not. We can't get ourselves to that place,
but you guys can. So when I hear people try
and speak on behalf of athletes or or or combat
fighters or somebody that, well, you know, you gotta be careful,
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you gotta think about your long term. Look, I'm sure
they do think about their long term health. I guarantee
that's part of it. But you love what you do,
you accept the risks, and you move on with it.
And when I hear people talk on behalf of those guys,
that just irritates me. I just I'm not a fami. Yeah,
it's just it's just people in the media like, well,
the NFL needs to do something, they need to do more.
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There's it's just it's it's it's NFL media, Mike Florio
all these other guys. You don't listen. You you can't
understand because you don't know what it's like to put
yourself and come to terms and accept the fact and
the realities of what's going to happen. We can't do that.
We're not physically able to and psychologically we can't get
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to that place, and you guys can. Yet everybody on
the outside wants to speak on behalf of what's what's
best for players. People make choices, people make decisions, and
that that's just part of the deal. And I just
when I hear the coverage of the That's why I'm
fascinated to see how to A is monitored moving forward,
because he's going to take another big hit, right he
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Like you've said it before, Brady, he's had problems getting
rid of the football. He to Ignow yesterday and said, yeah,
I probably gotta get rid of the ball faster. I
doubt he's just gonna fix that in one game, so
this could happen again. So the hard thing is for
him too, is it's part of what made him special
in college. It's part of what makes him who he
is as a player and special, Like that's one of
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those knacks that he has, is he can extend plays
and then make something out of those plays. The problem
is there's a risk that comes along with that, and
when he and he's in a position where look, he's
a you know, first round quarterback that's trying to get
to that second contract. So to your point, like he
does face that he takes a tough hit, everyone's like,
oh no, we're gonna go around and get him, and
he might have to wave people off be like dude,
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I'm fine, Like stop trying to put me in bubble wrap.
I want to be out here to play. Let me
go play. I mean, it's a hard conversation to have
because ultimately, I think what you're talking about is everyone
in the outside trying to act like they're protecting that
player from himself. The problem is is that player understands
the risks and they're willing to take on the risks
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because this is what they spent their entire life preparing
for So that's that's where it comes to a crossroads,
is how do you go about managing the fact that
even when a player is accountable and responsible for knowing
the risk that they're taking on, how do you go
about protecting them from themselves or should you be in
that position to do it? I mean, we don't talk
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about this in boxing, do we know? I mean, what
do we ever have any head you know, conversations about boxing. Well,
it's just assumed, right, like how many fighters probably shouldn't
be fighting that have taken one too many knockouts, one
too many blows to the head. Yet we don't say
that with them, like, man, this guy is old. I
don't know if you should keep doing this to us.
(26:41):
We never talked about that. Well, remember when Manny Pacio
got flatlined by one Manual Maarkez. I mean it was
a brutal knockout and that was a bad, bad face plant,
and and everyone said he'll never be the same like
one Manual Marks I think fought like one or two
more times after that. Patio fought for years after that
and ever got knocked down or knocked out again. Ever,
(27:03):
like people are built different, Like it's just it's what
it is like. Yeah, you know hashtag built different, built Different.
I don't, I don't know, I don't. I'm I enjoy
listening to you guys talk about this topic. I just
you know, it's man, I mean, your whole your your
(27:26):
whole diet tribe on on us knowing or guys playing
and knowing the risk, the inherent risk that you take
and stuff like that. I mean, I just you know,
I'm I'm an American man, like I'm I'm an old
school American too, and and and with that, you you
know that our you know, our country was built on
(27:46):
the backs of of many, many, many people that knew
the inherent risk that they were taking building this company
country or defending it. You know, skyscrapers going up, fighting wars,
you know, different and things like that. And we live
in a day and age where you know, the most
people get outside is to literally go to school and
(28:08):
and come back home. You know, people don't play outside
like they used to. You know, people people aren't aren't
doing things and and embracing and understanding you know, how
life works like they used to think. You know, times
are changing, you know, rapidly, very very fast, very quickly.
Technology has has evolved people. You know, where you used
(28:31):
to go outside and that was your entertainment. You know,
your cell phone, your mobile devices. Those are the things
that are entertaining you. Those are the things that are
um raising your kids these days. And it's just a
different mentality. So when you say people don't understand what
football players are going through or you know, why they
(28:51):
accept or or approach things the way that they do.
There still are there still are people that understand it.
It's just aren't as many. You know, It's just it's
just a different it's just a different approach to how
you live life. Like you look at the numbers on
basic training and how low they are. You know, people
(29:12):
can't even get through basic training. Like we're talking about
defending our our our our country. You know, people aren't
even in good enough shape to be able to complete it.
You know, it's just it's just a different time. And
you know they said what they say, hard hard times
make hard people, and and and hard people get through
(29:33):
hard times and make hard times better, but it makes
the people softer or something. It's some type of saying
that like goes that way. So you know, until until
there is a which I don't know if that ever
happens again. But until there's like a really really hard
time for for our country, you're not going to look
at things like football as it's like, you know, you
(29:57):
you appreciate the value of a grit and and and
you appreciate the value of the toughness that goes into
playing the sport. I don't know that the sport is
viewed the same anymore, you know, with everything that's surrounding
it and the way it's been turned into. You know
what it's been turned into, you know, in terms of
(30:17):
the entertainment value, I don't know that it will ever
be viewed the way that it would view when I
mean Joe Green became me and Joe Green. But those
types of those types of errors quickly, you know what
they need to do to try and make today's generation
of kids more accepting to what football really is. You
set up these VR goggles or whatever they're called, and
(30:40):
you make a TikTok video and then you put them
in bull in the Ring VR. Wise, all right, get sacked.
I think they need some actually a real, real perspective
and put that on your snap face. Her TikTok put
them in, put put that on your snap face, your TikTok,
and get get a little bull in the ring. Alright,
(31:01):
harden up, that's how we do it in the four
one two, lamar. If you do a bull in the
ring and post that, you'll you won't even have a job. Yeah,
you'll be out. It is And that was like the
first drill you were introduced to, no matter what position
you played. And and youth leak your first first day
and in the ring, in the ring, it is two
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team after winning a charity raffle Week one of fourteen
thousand dollars. The team has since blamed the bank, saying
they've wired him the money directly, but he has come
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thinking about spending a dollar at FedEx Field. Uh, where
is all the money going? Yeah that's a gas and
maintenance of a thousand feet yacht. Yeah that's pretty expensive.
So fourteen almost fifteen thousand dollars and the check bounced.
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That's something, man, that is something. You know. I'll ever
to look at his history of businesses, like with rid
Zebra and with I don't want to get into all
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d C. And I know how this all began. Little Danny,
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he did hit it big enough to be able to
own a franchise and a big gas boat. Yeah rock Finally,
do you think he acknowledges that the team as the
commanders now or do you think he still calls him
the name of the team that when LaVar got drafted,
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they were called because he was very defiant about that
for many years. So I just wonder if you know
he came kicking and screaming and do what this new
team is? I think he would just be happy to
maintain ownership of whatever the name of that team is
called you know, at this point to win dollars bouncing,
(37:02):
it was like fourteen round up sounds better, more egregious.
I saw what you tried to do there. Guys, we're
still he is not deserving of that. But we're still
several weeks away from Tennessee traveling to Georgia. But tickets
(37:23):
have already skyrocketed, cheapest tickets being six five dollars after
seat Georgia. Hot Damn. I mean, what are the hotels?
And like, so if you imagine you're a Tennessee fan
you travel to go to that game, and you've got
to say you want to stay at a hotel down there,
you're looking at just right off the bat, a thousand
(37:44):
dollars right just to Well, here's the problem is the
hotels in college towns like that, and and LaVar would say,
it's about state college. It's a it's a what a
three night minimum? LaVar? Is that fair? You can't go?
You can't go for just a couple of nights, Like
we'll make you pay for sure. Man. It's aracky, man.
But that's how they make all their money. Dumb bad
(38:04):
boys sell out before you even get to the football season.
Like in a place like State College, like I gotta
like I'm going back for for the Hall of Fame
deal for the Ohio State game. And it's um, you know,
I'm herebmbing, you know, because it's like any any real hotel,
they've already been booked, you know, so it can't get
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you like some sort of a suite inside the facility,
like you can't like the facility, which come on, man,
like go to like go to the like the football
facility like James Franklin doesn't have like a little like
you know, side room. You know you should do LaVar.
I would, I would, I woant to look at it,
like just getting a dope ass RV like a sweet
tour bus. That would be that would be awesome if
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you could find a way of doing that. Take it
from like what do you flying to Philly or someone
they drive it in. I'm flying into the state college.
I'll get into State College just on the just one.
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Week seven in the NFL kicking off later on tonight.
We got cards, we got Saints, and we still aren't
(01:50):
quite sure who's going to play quarterback for the New
Orleans Saints. Last check? What was it? Andy? Yeah? It
is true? Yeah? When did the when did the thirty
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if you're watching out, you're paying for it. Yeah, that's unfortunate,
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But doesn't matter who's starting a quarterback for the New
Orleans Saints, whether it's Jamis Winson or Andy Dalton, considering
they are riddled with injuries. I don't even know who's
playing wide receiver for them at this point because they've
been crushed. I think o Lave will be back for
this one, but I don't think Landi or Thomas will.
And the biggest issue maybe the fact that Lattimore is
(02:35):
not back at cornerback and you've got d Hop back
for the Cardinals, so they're looking for a boost. We'll
see him. I mean, Robby Anderson is there now. I'm
not sure what he'll be able to do, if anything,
given that he just got there. But he's got speed,
he's a veteran wide receiver. I don't think it'd be
too hard to say, hey, run a slant, want to
kill route like like those things are kind of easy
(02:56):
to teach receivers um and give him like a handful
of things to do. Because Mark's Brown's out and that's
obviously why you bring in a guy like that with
Robbianison to bring in some speeds. So, like, this line
looked funny to me when I first saw it. I
was like, man, Arizona's at home and they're playing against
the Saints, that it banged up. This should be like
a three point spread, like we're Cardinals are given three
(03:18):
maybe maybe three and a half. So maybe I'm the fish,
but I think this is like a get right game,
short week, Arizona at home. I think you gotta lay
the points, but I don't know. So it's just it
looks fishy to me. Yeah, what does somebody know about
New Orleans that we don't know? They put take some
hill at quarterback At times, it only takes, like think
(03:41):
about it, when when teams are struggling like these two teams,
it only takes two three explosive plays that puts you
in position to get field goals or get get touchdowns.
Thursday Night Football knows that all too well. Yeah, by
the way out, Michael's is one more field goal fest
away from drinking in the booth. I swear to guy,
(04:03):
he's going to turn into Bob Yuker from Major League
and just start ripping booze in the booth while he's
watching this band like that show brock Meyer Far here's
a here's all I asked you, guys. The Cardinals are
two and four. Both teams are two and four right now.
But if you look at the Cardinal schedule kind of
had him a like around this, like I think I
(04:25):
thought they'd go three and three in the first six
without DeAndre Hopkins. And then looking at their schedule, like
the toss up game for me was Philly at home,
which that was a close loss for them, and then
at Seattle, which divisional game, Like I think, you know,
Seattle and Arizona will probably split. So if you really
look at like, there's I mean, I didn't have them
beat in Kansas City to open the season. Why not
(04:48):
come on, like we could say all we want about,
like the struggles right now of the Cardinals offensively, which yeah,
they're one of the worst offenses in the first half.
You also know that they're actually one of the best
offense of the second half of games. Why that's the case?
I have no idea, trust me. People keep asking that.
I'm like, I don't know. If I knew I'd be
(05:09):
on the Cardinals coaching staff, and you'd be able to
figure this thing out. But I guess I'll ask you
guys like they look like they're struggling. But I look
at it and just go, yeah, this is about where
we thought they'd be. Like, I didn't have them being
better than a four and two team. Two and four
was kind of the floor, and I thought three and
three is probably what they'd be. I mean, at least
that's how I said at this point. I also look
(05:29):
at it. This is the first game they've been favored.
If I'm not if I'm not mistaken, I don't think
they've been favored in any single game this year. This
is the first one and and or it might have
been maybe last week in Seattle, but I think that
was about was it like a one point spread or
something like that. So this really is like if your
expectations on the Cardinals, like mine were, were a lot
(05:51):
higher than others, then you're probably surprised that they're sitting
where they are. But I think there's a lot of
people who, without you know, having a vested interest one
way or another, are not trying to bet on the season,
looked at this team and said they're flawed. The flaws
are probably going to get exposed early in the season,
and maybe they are second half of the season team
for the first time in Cliff and Kyler's existence together
(06:13):
in the NFL. I just, yeah, I don't think it's
that surprising, considering the betting lines and the numbers would
tell you they were expected and projected to lose these games,
and outlook if they didn't. If they didn't pull off
that win against the Raiders, we're looking at a one
win team right now. But they weren't favored versus Carolina. Yeah,
(06:33):
it wasn't. Caroline was a one point favor right, Caroline
was a one point Jesus. Yeah, I'm a lot about
how the prognosticators feel about the card I can't believe
I picked them to win the division right there. What
an awful pick that, man. I don't know. I mean,
they're not out of it. They're not out of it.
(06:55):
They're not out of it, even though they are owing
to within their their own division. It's it's it's a
deep hole that they they found themselves in. But I
don't know. I'm kind of with Q on this. When
you look at the games that they've already played, they've
kind of even with that Raiders game, if you're looking
(07:17):
back on it, it's like, Okay, the teams that they want,
It's like, I feel like what we know about those
teams now, they beat the teams that they were supposed
to beat, and they lost to the teams they were
supposed to lose to. I mean, I think it's pretty
simple that way. But the question is are they improving
enough to beat a Saints team and then take that
(07:38):
into you know, the next the following week where they're
actually playing uh, probably a better team. Yeah, most likely
a better team in the vikings. That's one of those
step up games because it's leading into that rematch with
Seattle in so many weeks to to be able to
actually maybe claw and scrap at your way back into
(08:02):
uh the divisional race. So these are these next three
games are are truly truly like really important games, right
this this Saint game is a step up game. You
got him at home. Um the Saints, as you mentioned,
they they are um for the taking. So you can't
lose this game if you're Arizona and you want to
(08:24):
make a run for the playoffs and you really want
to put yourself in a position where you're making a
bid for your division um already being two games behind,
then you they gotta play well tonight. Like it's uh,
I know, I know everybody hates this term, but it's
almost one of those must win weeks as it's a
(08:45):
step up game that they probably really will look at
in the history of this this this season and say
that was a game they needed to have one if
they were going to be able to turn their season around. Well,
I just the fact that, like there's been heat on
Kyler Murray, people making jokes about call of duty and
all this other stuff and trying to correlate that with
(09:07):
his performances over his career. Cliff Kingsbury is getting a
hard time from people about his play calling. He's even
said publicly he might give up play calling. And and look,
they invested into all of them. In the off season.
Kingsbury gets an extend and he gets a new deal,
Kyler Murray gets a new deal, and and just when
you think that, like if there's any potential question about
(09:30):
how they feel about it, they're like, we're gonna go
after and get one of the receivers that's viewed as
a potentially a problem in Carolina, like we've got we've
got an injury to Marquis Brown, don't worry about that.
He's not even out for the entire season. But they
go give Robbie Anderson, Like, I do respect the fact
that they basically doubled down and they're like, we feel
like what we have is going to work. It's just
(09:50):
a matter of like bringing the right pieces de hops
back like this is gonna work, I promise you, And
I do think that when you think about what this
roster will look like with Robby Anderson and ron Dale
Bore and Marquis Brown when he does come back, which
again could be six six weeks away. Still, if they
are in the playoff hunt, that is one hell of
(10:11):
a wide receiver rosster to throw to. Like, that's just
a ton of speed and a lot of problems for
anyone else you're going up against. So I think if
they can win tonight and they survive like the next
six weeks, let's say they go three and three over
that span, they could potentially make a run where I mean,
look at the NFC right now. You can't tell me
that nine and eight is not a playoff team. The
(10:32):
way things are going right now, in the NFC, there's
no one outside of Philly. Maybe you'd say Minnesota, you know,
running away with anything right now? How close is Kingsbury
to being on the hot seat. And let me just
pose what if scenario, say they go out because Nathaniel
Hackett has gotten a lot of the heat because in
primetime games they've looked awful, and so everybody's watching, and
(10:53):
it's a conversation the next morning, and it lead shows
and and that happens throughout the country and we're talking
one and done with Nathaniel Hackett, with on Peyton looming
is the big name that's out there on the market
potentially to be a head coach next year if this
goes south, and say they look awful tonight, and the
voices start getting louder and louder, and say continues down
the path of roller coaster, and they do miss the playoffs,
(11:16):
and they're significant underdog to make the playoffs according to
draft kings right now five to one to make the playoffs.
So they're all the money is saying they're not going
to the playoffs. Do you think there's a scenario in
which Arizona, knowing Sean Payton is out there figures out
a way to move on from Cliff Kingsbury and says,
(11:37):
we've identified the problem. If this guy is already speaking
publicly on play calling issues, let's bring in Sean Payton,
another guy who worked with an undersized quarterback in New Orleans,
got him a Super Bowl one, a bunch of games.
Do you think there's a possibility that Cliff Kingsbury could
be out this year? Because I actually do. There's always
a possibility if you feel like you've got a guy
(11:58):
that you know, you try us more, believe in more.
But he has signed through. So that's the tough part
is Okay, you get through, so you gotta pay him
until then. And it's not like Sean Payton's gonna come cheap.
He's probably cost you at least ten million a year.
And so if I'm Sean Payton and I'm looking at
some of these other deals that were signed, I mean,
(12:19):
I think the toughest thing is what Matt rules side
was a seven year deal worth sixty some million, seventy
some because he's got like what forty left a little
bit more than left on the deal. Yeah, I mean,
if I'm Sean Payton, like my and I look at
some of these college coaches jobs and what they're being paid,
Like they're getting paid nine ten a year. That's the
(12:40):
floor for me. I mean, I want a super Bowl.
I'm gonna go in there and say, you gotta to
pay me at least ten eleven, twelve million a year,
and so you gotta pay that on top of what
you know. Kingsbury, like, I just I almost wonder if
they feel like that would be a little bit bit
of a panic move. Um, but if you can go
get a good coach and you feel like he's better
than the guy you got, then you got to spend
(13:01):
the money to do so. Because it only takes one
season where you have that magical season you go and
win a super Bowl and then everyone's kind of like, well,
no one's remembering what what mistakes we made before that. Yeah,
it's quite the risk. It's I mean, I guess yet
it's not a risk. It's just that's that's a that's
a very very large pill to swallow. You just gave
(13:22):
that extension. There's there's some part of you go, Okay,
they go they went five ten and one three years
ago that the COVID year, they go eight and eight
and then they go eleven and six this past season. Like,
I understand, not making the playoffs and not getting the
eleven win mark would be a drop off in the
progression of where we're going. But one of the biggest
mistakes I think organizations make is when they see one
(13:45):
down season, they're like, all right, let's just turn it over,
scrap everything, just throw it all out. Like that's not
usually the way you should you should deal with things.
You might just want to say, hey, maybe we had
a bad year, like maybe there are some injuries, we
had our best players to spend it for the first
six games. We're still trying to figure out some some
stuff offensively, whether it's with the scheme, offensive line. You know,
(14:07):
maybe it'd be better off of Cliff can oversee the
whole thing. Let's not have them call plays, Let's have
him bring someone else in that can call plays. Like,
there's all sorts of things that I think would be
probably a more economical response. But I mean, sometimes these
owners make so much money. Who knows, well, let me
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tug of Bloa. Spoke with the media yesterday and of
course he was going to be bombarded with questions about
the hit against Cincinnati and the concussions to the left
fans to the Yeah, Jimmy Buffett right by the way,
Lee is literally bobbing up and down. He can't get
enough of this little little Jimmy Buffett here this early
in the morning. You don't even know that song, Lee,
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you're talking about play that song? Play it? You know, Margaritaville,
you don't know that should that should be our to
a song every time we bring him in to the
what if? By the way, that song stinks first fun
when you're at the game, though, the worst that they are,
the better that it is. Man, alright, well, bar LaVar,
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what's better that? Are Steelers polka? Oh? Man, don't never
do that? Yeah, Steelers polka is that's just that's just classic,
amazing nous man. What about the Miami Dolphins fight song?
Miami has got up like that? Uh, that song but
from the seventies. That's better than fins to the left
and right and in the middle and to the left
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and right. It's just, you know, it's just fun. Well,
whatever it is to us. Spoke yesterday and he explained
he was singing that song now he was not singing
that song. He explained though the play against Cincinnati what
happened in the play, and then also talked about some
conversations he's had about the long term concerns when it
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comes to his head injuries. I wouldn't say it was
scary for me at the time because there were there
There was a point where I was unconscious, so I couldn't,
you know, really tell what was going on. I remember
the entire night up to the point where I got tackled,
but after I got tackled, I don't remember much from
they're getting carded off. I don't remember that, but I
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do remember things that were going on when I was
in the ambulance and then when I arrived at the hospital.
There's not necessarily as much long term risk. You know,
let's say guys get about six concussions. Well, those guys
that only have six concussions, that are playing the position
that I'm playing where we don't hit as much, are
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less susceptible to getting ct E later on in their
years than someone who's playing a position where they're constantly
taking hits or blows to the head, which would be
O line, D line, um linebackers. And that's kind of
some of the information that I've you know, been given
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from a lot of these doctors you know that are
best of the best in their field. So there it
is too. I'm sure somebody will have a problem with
what he just said. You know, I loved the doctors.
He's is not a doctor to be speaking in those terms,
but he can speak. He hits his opinion. It's nice
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for him. It's nice for him to speak his opinion
on it. And and and to to his point, he
is right. There are other guys. I made the point
on my Instagram, on my socialty other that let this
past Sunday with with Kelsey. Guys are hitting their heads
all the time. Guys are hitting their heads all the time.
He's he's one right about that with different positions. It's
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just it's just like polarizing or it's so sensationalized when
certain people hit their heads and they react away that
they react. You know, guys shake that ss off all
the time and nobody even sees it. Nobody even sees it.
So for you know, I liked them chatting light on
it the way that he did. I just would say,
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for me, I caution guys that that speak in in
you know, kind of met cool terms when you're not
in the medical field, you know, and that's that's I
always feel like that's just rule of thumb, protecting yourself,
you know, by staying away from medical talk speak in
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terms of your terms, there's no problem. But when once
you get off into talking about the whole CTE thing
and what it represents. I mean, I just always and
I'm I cringe. I cringe unless unless you're a doctor,
that that's playing football. Even if you're a doctor, I don't.
I mean, we still don't know a lot about ct
about the head injuries. You know why some people are
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more susceptible than others too. I mean, to your point,
there are a lot of guys who they get hit
in the head, they get up, they shake it off,
there's not an issue. There's other guys who get knocked
out all the time. Like I play with some guys,
some safeties who they used to be big hitters, but
you knew every single time, like they got that big
hit on the sideline, like yeh, all right, well I
hope you know, you hope he's okay, But like they
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would knock themselves out like almost every single time to
be a big hit like that, and so it's it's tough,
but I mean the concussion story and his thing, like
I can relate to remember my first bad one in college.
I remember, not like I remember the next like like
later that day, waking up in the infirmary in the
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hospital and you know, kind of talking through some things
with my dad. I eventually got released, and then the
next day like coming in watching film with my teammates
and be like, man, I don't remember any of this,
Like I didn't remember anything. I played the entire second
half of the game, and I think they like we
we had a drive where we went up and then
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after that, like people in the huddle were like, dude,
he's being weird, Like yeah, you all gotta take him out,
like there something wrong with him. I started dry heating,
I guess on the sidelines, and then that was it.
But I don't remember to this day. And I went
back watched some of them goes like man, I probably
shouldn't have made that throw, but it worked out. Like
it was just one of those things where it's a
crazy experience. I'm I'm sure it's scary to some people,
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might have been scary to my dad. At the time,
since he was kind of with me step by step
through it. But the reality is like, I'm okay, you know,
we made it through. Man, I'm having here with you guys.
You know we're doing okay. You know. Uh. You know
what pisces me off about it, though, is when you
get people on the outside who try and instruct players
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the risks and the dangers of what they're what they're doing.
And here's here's just the facts. And this is probably
gonna bother a lot of people, but I'm one of
these people, so so I'll speak on behalf of the group,
the reason why those players do what they do. And
there's a clear separation between between what you guys do
and what we do. Like we we can't understand the
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idea of getting concussed like that and willingly going out
there to engage in another car accident potentially the next week.
We can't understand that. But that's why you guys are
the point, oh one. And I'm not trying to kiss
anybody's asked here. It's just a reality. It's the same
with boxers, it's the same with fighters. There's a certain
thing that you have to have in your mind to
where you come to terms with the risk that's involved
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with what you're about to do. You're you're you're engaging
in sanctioned violence, and when you engage in that, bad
things are going to happen from time to time. And
it's like when I hear people say, well, you know,
too is talking about all these long term issues, Clearly
he's not. He's not thinking about his future, or you
know when he's when he speaks so nonchalant about stuff
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like that. The reason why we don't do and can't
understand or comprehend what it is that those guys go
through and what you guys go through on the field
is because we're not. We can't get ourselves to that place,
but you guys can. So when I hear people try
and speak on behalf of athletes or or or combat
fighters or somebody that, well, you know, you gotta be careful,
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you gotta think about your long term. Look, I'm sure
they do think about their long term health. I guarantee
that's part of it. But you love what you do,
you accept the risks, and you move on with it.
And when I hear people talk on behalf of those guys,
that just irritates me. I just I'm not a fami. Yeah,
it's just it's just people in the media like, well,
the NFL needs to do something, they need to do more.
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There's it's just it's it's it's NFL media, Mike Florio
all these other guys. You don't listen. You you can't
understand because you don't know what it's like to put
yourself and come to terms and accept the fact and
the realities of what's going to happen. We can't do that.
We're not physically able to and psychologically we can't get
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to that place, and you guys can. Yet everybody on
the outside wants to speak on behalf of what's what's
best for players. People make choices, people make decisions, and
that that's just part of the deal. And I just
when I hear the coverage of the That's why I'm
fascinated to see how to A is monitored moving forward,
because he's going to take another big hit, right he
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Like you've said it before, Brady, he's had problems getting
rid of the football. He to Ignow yesterday and said, yeah,
I probably gotta get rid of the ball faster. I
doubt he's just gonna fix that in one game, so
this could happen again. So the hard thing is for
him too, is it's part of what made him special
in college. It's part of what makes him who he
is as a player and special, Like that's one of
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those knacks that he has, is he can extend plays
and then make something out of those plays. The problem
is there's a risk that comes along with that, and
when he and he's in a position where look, he's
a you know, first round quarterback that's trying to get
to that second contract. So to your point, like he
does face that he takes a tough hit, everyone's like,
oh no, we're gonna go around and get him, and
he might have to wave people off be like dude,
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I'm fine, Like stop trying to put me in bubble wrap.
I want to be out here to play. Let me
go play. I mean, it's a hard conversation to have
because ultimately, I think what you're talking about is everyone
in the outside trying to act like they're protecting that
player from himself. The problem is is that player understands
the risks and they're willing to take on the risks
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because this is what they spent their entire life preparing
for So that's that's where it comes to a crossroads,
is how do you go about managing the fact that
even when a player is accountable and responsible for knowing
the risk that they're taking on, how do you go
about protecting them from themselves or should you be in
that position to do it? I mean, we don't talk
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about this in boxing, do we know? I mean, what
do we ever have any head you know, conversations about boxing. Well,
it's just assumed, right, like how many fighters probably shouldn't
be fighting that have taken one too many knockouts, one
too many blows to the head. Yet we don't say
that with them, like, man, this guy is old. I
don't know if you should keep doing this to us.
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We never talked about that. Well, remember when Manny Pacio
got flatlined by one Manual Maarkez. I mean it was
a brutal knockout and that was a bad, bad face plant,
and and everyone said he'll never be the same like
one Manual Marks I think fought like one or two
more times after that. Patio fought for years after that
and ever got knocked down or knocked out again. Ever,
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like people are built different, Like it's just it's what
it is like. Yeah, you know hashtag built different, built Different.
I don't, I don't know, I don't. I'm I enjoy
listening to you guys talk about this topic. I just
you know, it's man, I mean, your whole your your
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whole diet tribe on on us knowing or guys playing
and knowing the risk, the inherent risk that you take
and stuff like that. I mean, I just you know,
I'm I'm an American man, like I'm I'm an old
school American too, and and and with that, you you
know that our you know, our country was built on
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the backs of of many, many, many people that knew
the inherent risk that they were taking building this company
country or defending it. You know, skyscrapers going up, fighting wars,
you know, different and things like that. And we live
in a day and age where you know, the most
people get outside is to literally go to school and
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and come back home. You know, people don't play outside
like they used to. You know, people people aren't aren't
doing things and and embracing and understanding you know, how
life works like they used to think. You know, times
are changing, you know, rapidly, very very fast, very quickly.
Technology has has evolved people. You know, where you used
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to go outside and that was your entertainment. You know,
your cell phone, your mobile devices. Those are the things
that are entertaining you. Those are the things that are
um raising your kids these days. And it's just a
different mentality. So when you say people don't understand what
football players are going through or you know, why they
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accept or or approach things the way that they do.
There still are there still are people that understand it.
It's just aren't as many. You know, It's just it's
just a different it's just a different approach to how
you live life. Like you look at the numbers on
basic training and how low they are. You know, people
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can't even get through basic training. Like we're talking about
defending our our our our country. You know, people aren't
even in good enough shape to be able to complete it.
You know, it's just it's just a different time. And
you know they said what they say, hard hard times
make hard people, and and and hard people get through
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hard times and make hard times better, but it makes
the people softer or something. It's some type of saying
that like goes that way. So you know, until until
there is a which I don't know if that ever
happens again. But until there's like a really really hard
time for for our country, you're not going to look
at things like football as it's like, you know, you
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you appreciate the value of a grit and and and
you appreciate the value of the toughness that goes into
playing the sport. I don't know that the sport is
viewed the same anymore, you know, with everything that's surrounding
it and the way it's been turned into. You know
what it's been turned into, you know, in terms of
(30:17):
the entertainment value, I don't know that it will ever
be viewed the way that it would view when I
mean Joe Green became me and Joe Green. But those
types of those types of errors quickly, you know what
they need to do to try and make today's generation
of kids more accepting to what football really is. You
set up these VR goggles or whatever they're called, and
(30:40):
you make a TikTok video and then you put them
in bull in the Ring VR. Wise, all right, get sacked.
I think they need some actually a real, real perspective
and put that on your snap face. Her TikTok put
them in, put put that on your snap face, your TikTok,
and get get a little bull in the ring. Alright,
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harden up, that's how we do it in the four
one two, lamar. If you do a bull in the
ring and post that, you'll you won't even have a job. Yeah,
you'll be out. It is And that was like the
first drill you were introduced to, no matter what position
you played. And and youth leak your first first day
and in the ring, in the ring, it is two
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More scandals in Washington, d C a fantasy to become
public saying that he has a bounced check from the
team after winning a charity raffle Week one of fourteen
thousand dollars. The team has since blamed the bank, saying
they've wired him the money directly, but he has come
out and said he is having a hard time now
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thinking about spending a dollar at FedEx Field. Uh, where
is all the money going? Yeah that's a gas and
maintenance of a thousand feet yacht. Yeah that's pretty expensive.
So fourteen almost fifteen thousand dollars and the check bounced.
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That's something, man, that is something. You know. I'll ever
to look at his history of businesses, like with rid
Zebra and with I don't want to get into all
this because I told you I have connections back to
d C. And I know how this all began. Little Danny,
(36:18):
that's what. That's what some people would refer to him
as a little and look and look, I'll say this,
he did hit it big enough to be able to
own a franchise and a big gas boat. Yeah rock Finally,
do you think he acknowledges that the team as the
commanders now or do you think he still calls him
the name of the team that when LaVar got drafted,
(36:39):
they were called because he was very defiant about that
for many years. So I just wonder if you know
he came kicking and screaming and do what this new
team is? I think he would just be happy to
maintain ownership of whatever the name of that team is
called you know, at this point to win dollars bouncing,
(37:02):
it was like fourteen round up sounds better, more egregious.
I saw what you tried to do there. Guys, we're
still he is not deserving of that. But we're still
several weeks away from Tennessee traveling to Georgia. But tickets
(37:23):
have already skyrocketed, cheapest tickets being six five dollars after
seat Georgia. Hot Damn. I mean, what are the hotels?
And like, so if you imagine you're a Tennessee fan
you travel to go to that game, and you've got
to say you want to stay at a hotel down there,
you're looking at just right off the bat, a thousand
(37:44):
dollars right just to Well, here's the problem is the
hotels in college towns like that, and and LaVar would say,
it's about state college. It's a it's a what a
three night minimum? LaVar? Is that fair? You can't go?
You can't go for just a couple of nights, Like
we'll make you pay for sure. Man. It's aracky, man.
But that's how they make all their money. Dumb bad
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boys sell out before you even get to the football season.
Like in a place like State College, like I gotta
like I'm going back for for the Hall of Fame
deal for the Ohio State game. And it's um, you know,
I'm herebmbing, you know, because it's like any any real hotel,
they've already been booked, you know, so it can't get
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you like some sort of a suite inside the facility,
like you can't like the facility, which come on, man,
like go to like go to the like the football
facility like James Franklin doesn't have like a little like
you know, side room. You know you should do LaVar.
I would, I would, I woant to look at it,
like just getting a dope ass RV like a sweet
tour bus. That would be that would be awesome if
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you could find a way of doing that. Take it
from like what do you flying to Philly or someone
they drive it in. I'm flying into the state college.
I'll get into State College just on the just one.
I never thought LeVar. Just on the side of it.
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