July 18, 2023 • 39 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Barkley and Jacobs contemplate holdouts and the guys wonder what drastic steps running backs can take to raise their value. ‘Hard Knocks’ gets forced down the throat of the Jets but can the show evolve? Plus, selfie sabotage and much more on “In Case You Missed It.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas NOx with
you here. Coming up on this Tuesday edition, the deadline
has passed. What's next for Saquon Barkley, Josh Jacobs and
running backs across the league? We will discuss. Plus, we're
gonna have a conversation about somebody who's unhappy about their
involvement with Hard Knocks and HBO. But there's a bigger question,
(00:23):
why is Hard Knocks even still on? We will break
all that down for you here. Plus we got some
college football stories out there, like a coach who may
have been identified as the laziest in all the land
and shots fired from Brent vettables towards Dion Sanders. It's
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Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Or ten million. If you're a running back in the NFL,
you better get use Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
You have a friend that was a bar, that was
a bar that was good.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Uh Man, Saquon just don't.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I don't know that I had any sort of expectations
that they were going to get a deal done, Like
I know, deadlines due deals, but it felt like if
something was going to get done, we'd be at the
point to where it would have.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Gotten done already. Tony Pollard already signed his deal.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
He was coming off the off season surgery that he
he went through, so probably felt like it would behove
him to sign the deal and get the franchise number in.
But Josh Jacobs and Saquon Barkley, both those guys did
not get a long term deal done before this deadline
yesterday at four pm Eastern time. Thus, here we go,
(02:46):
either you're signing the franchise tag or we figure this out.
But it looks like neither is going to show up
to camp. And this is where we are with it.
When it comes to the running back position.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I want to I mean, I want to hear cues.
I want I kind of want to hear his his
input on it, because I don't really understand what happens
after you you've declared that you're not going to sign, Like,
what happens now? Like, are you still able to get
a long term deal done? What is the what does
(03:17):
the deadline mean? Okay, you don't have to get fine
for not reporting the camp, what like, what are the
implications of them not signing the tag?
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
I mean the implications are you know, you're not going
to define it for anything because you're technically not under
contract right.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Right, So that's the first step.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
But if you try to sit out the entire year,
like we saw saw with Le'Veon Bell, you find yourself
in the exact same spot next year and you don't
earn anything, right, you won't make any money, so they'll
still be able to utilize a tag on you, and
you know, then you're probably more seriously taken by the
team that you're unhappy with the situation. You want a
(03:58):
long term deal, so you'll get dealt But that's where
they're at right now. Now, if you sign your franchise tender,
then you're under contract, so you're subject to any other
fines if you don't show up or you you know,
technically hold out if you don't if you if you
don't want to come, because you're under contract, all those
things are are still applied.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
So that's what that's are you still because you can't
do the long term deal.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
You cannot do a long term that's past. Now there's
a misconception. You know, technically you could get paid more
for this year. The team could come back to you
and pay you more for this year under one year
deal that that could happen, but it very rarely ever happens.
So there are some misconceptions to what this year's contract
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looks like, but that is essentially the framework of what
they're what they're going to play under.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
So it's franchise tag or nothing this year.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
For and Josh Jacobs that is correct, and Tony Pollard
for that he signed, he signed right.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Okay, okay, and they could pull it right and both,
because that's what happened with Josh Norman, right, Josh Norman
was on the tag in Carolina and then all of
a sudden they pulled it and he went and signed
with Washington, right, I remember that happening. But uh, I
just I don't know, Like I understand the running back
complaint and the issue, and it sucks, Like I feel
(05:18):
bad for them, and I feel bad for anybody in
a line of worker in an industry that's starting to
get phased out.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It's like newspapers, Like I feel bad. It's it's awful, but.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well, listen, I like it in the you know, the
ink on my thumbs, you know, I do like that,
you know, trying to brush off my thumb ring.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
A little bit of ink when you're read in the newspaper.
But again, that's a struggling industry. It's a struggling business.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
I feel bad dedicated to that thumb, I.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Definitely am can't get it off. That's a problem.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Uh So I feel bad that they have to go
through this. But I understand, well, I understand why teams
are in the position they're in, and I understand why
teams are doing what they're doing. Why tell us because
the game has changed. It's a passing game, and they
put more of an emphasis on passing the ball and
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throwing the football. So running backs in turn have started
to become I don't know phased out is the right
term to use, but they have started to become on
the back burner a little bit in comparison to the
priority of passing the football.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Then, so that's that's an argument though that really doesn't
have a lot of.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Merit to it.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
If you look at the amount of touches though that
a running back gets between carries and receptions.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Their importance is still there. It's still there.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, I agree, And.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
So that's where like I get it, Like, I understand
that the game has changed, It's got more of a
passing game, and teams are throwing the football, you know,
closer to fifty five to sixty percent of the time.
Maybe in some cases there are still some teams who
run the football over fifty percent.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Now.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Granted, those teams like the Atlanta Falcons for that matter,
that a rookie running back last year, right, I mean
Cordie or Patterson played a role in that too.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
But Tyler Aljeer, what was their running back?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And he hit a heck of a rookie year and
they're going to be running the ball lot this year too.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah, that's not gonna change. My whole point is they're
The running back position.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
Is one that is unique compared to a lot of
others in the way that it's impacted by a new
working class, you know. And I think if if the
NFL PA we're smart, they do a couple of things.
They would first try to go and see if they
can allow and this is something that they need to
(07:40):
kind of push for because players have tried in the
past hasn't worked. Maurice Colorette is the first that comes
to mind, But I don't know. The running backs coming
out of college need to be three years removed from
high school. You know, Leonard Fournette was the most recent
one in my mind when I saw him as a
fresh run like that, dude could play in the NFL
(08:01):
right now, Like he can go play in the NFL
right now, and anything he does after this is only
going to potentially put wear and tear on him and
potentially put him at risk of injury. There's plenty of
Georgia running backs who fell into that same category too,
by the way, and Alabama running backs for that matter,
(08:22):
So I do think there needs to be some sort
of movement there. I think the other thing they could
do to help them out is say we want to
for this particular position remove the franchise tag so you
no longer in a rookie deal have the ability to
franchise tag about the end of their five year deal
if it's a first round pick, you know, four round deal,
(08:42):
or excuse me, four year deal, if it's a second
round pick or after like, all those things should be
things that the union is fighting for. It. It's what's
sad to me is when you hear running backs say
we need a new union, we need to do our
It's like, dude, no, that's that's why you pay your dues,
Like that's why you pay thousands of dollars a year
(09:04):
to a union to help protect your rights. And you
might be frustrated with the economics right now of the NFL,
and some people out there might be listening saying, hey, man,
like my job is going to go away because of
artificial intelligence.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah, I don't feel bad.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Already gone away, yeah like that.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
Like that's just part of how life works. Things grow
and evolve and then you're out. Yeah, and look, we
I'll put it this way, like Notre Dame, for example,
we had a running back. He's gonna play a slot receiver,
and it's important to get an opportunity this year, but
it's also important and maybe the best thing for his
career moving forward. You know, he he's more of a
kind of air airback, faster player, good returner. But now
(09:41):
you put him out in space, you put him on
a slot, you put them in different spots.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
He might say he might come back ten years from now.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Ago, Man, I'm still playing in the NFL because I
changed from a running back to a slot back and
I now have a shot playing in a sustained way.
So you know, some people would sit there and listen
to us and say, man, these guys need to adapter.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
That's just part of the deal.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
But there still needs to be something done by the
NFLPA Union or some sort of efforts instead of these
players feeling like they're on an island all by themselves.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It seems like a very very compromised position to be in.
But it has happened. I mean, this has happened before.
I mean, if you look at how many fullbacks are left,
I think there's like a handful of fullbacks that are left.
And fullbacks were just as critical as as the halfback. Like,
(10:38):
we don't even do that anymore, right, we don't do
two and three back. The two back is the half
back or the tailback or three the three back is
the fullback, right, and.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Those backs all the backs in the backfield.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Right.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
As a linebacker, you're like, oh, here.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
We go, Here we go. These dudes slamming into me. Man,
the lessengers and the gas and Lorenzo Lorenzo Nils like
Cla clavial busters, like you know, Don L. Bennett, Like
these these guys were were significant to two offenses in
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the National Football League, and then they started turning into
h backs like they slowly went from a full back
to an h back, and now what is it? Well,
what is an H back. Well, it's like kind of
like a tight end, but it's not a tight end.
It's kind of like a fullback, but it's not a fullback.
It's like they're a tweiner. They can block, but they
can also go out for passes. So now you're starting
(11:37):
to see guys like you just said, Q, the Tarik
Hills of of the world, right, the Deebo Samuels of
the world. They were probably natural tailbacks playing through through
the years. But you when you talk about that evolution,
you're now talking about a position where you have to
almost be status quo, able to do what an Alvin
(12:00):
Kamara does, able to do what a Deebo Samuel does, Uh,
Christian McCaffrey. What they're able to do, you can't tell
the difference between them as a tailback or as a receiver.
So it's gonna it's gonna, I feel like the evolution
of football and where it's at with throwing the ball,
the formations, all of these these just the way uh
(12:22):
the game is going. You're gonna want to have a
receiver back, a back that's able to play receiver, a
receiver that's able to play back, and you can put
them there through movement motion to try to throw the
defenses off. You can actually make it easier. We had
this conversation. Linebackers are going to have to evolve as
(12:43):
this this process evolves. You won't need a linebacker like me.
If this continues to go the way that he's going,
it turns far. I know, I know it turns it.
I know it turns into a defensive end situation. Yeah,
I know you don't have to put on the red
(13:04):
line shineh. But but so if you think about it,
if you get a running back that is able to
slam the ball in there, like a Henry or or
some like Adrian Peterson, but they can go out in
past situations, now you've actually given your offense more of
(13:26):
an advantage really, because you're you basically have safeties that
are playing your outside backer. You'll probably only have one
back or left that's probably more of a pure thumper
and tackler, and that's going to be a middle backer.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Can I just involved the game? Can I be real
with you guys too?
Speaker 6 (13:43):
I do feel like the specialization of quarterback at like
a grassroots youth to junior high at a high school
level has played a role in this. You know, I
think you get quarterbacks who are so much better prepared
coming into the NFL from college. And that can be
(14:05):
via the private quarterback training and specialized training they're doing.
It can come via the seven on seven you know,
leagues and camps and things that they're a part of
as well, whether that's in the summer, in the spring,
all those things. You know, part of this is is
a byproduct of what's happening out around the running back position,
where you get quarterbacks who are coming in who don't
(14:25):
have really any fundamental flaws. I mean there, it's not
like you get these multi sport athletes where like I
played football, baseball, basketball growing up.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
You know, by the time I was.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Like feeling better and learning more about you know, my
like throwing motion for football, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
You were done.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I was done. Like I was like, Oh, I met
Tom House after I had a back injury my seventh
year in the league. I'm like, but I wish I
would have met.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
This guy like ten years ago.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
You know, the stuff he was teaching me a kid
from the Midwest was drastically different about just everything from
like my ratational power, my pre routines and creating more
mobility in my arm to create more power in my
throwing motion.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Like all the things he was teaching me. I'm like,
it's kind of depressing.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
I was like, it's gonna be great, Like ten years ago,
where were you then, Like, yeah, thanks for telling me now,
I should have bought apple Stock two decades ago.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Great, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
But I think that plays a role too, because you
have guys who can come in and immediately not be
like trying to you know, developed or work on any fundamentals.
They're for the most part coming in and just getting
reps and experience and used to an NFL offense. It's
more the mental side of the game more than anything else.
And I think because of these guys come in and
they're ready and they play and they play well, and
(15:42):
you look at it that way, every team, instead of saying, well,
let's let's make sure we you know, have this, this,
this all checked off, they go, no, we're just waiting
for that quarterback, that guy who's gonna be the high
tide that raises all the boats. Like that's what they
look at it because as much as you could have
a Adrian Peterson a running back, the reality is when
you need to throw the football on third and seven,
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he can't help you, you know, and he's not gonna play.
You know, he's not gonna be a weapon or factor.
Now you hope that he's he's running well off on
first and second down, you don't get in third and
seven plus.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
But for most teams, you're.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Gonna find yourself in third and seven plus or if
you're on fourth and four. You know, if as more
teams adapt to go forward on fourth down, you're also
gonna find yourself one and to throw the football more
in those scenarios. And that's where the running back running
back position is not gonna help you out.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, it just feels like we've discovered what the NFL
really thinks of that position.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
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Speaker 1 (16:46):
So we're gonna have the usuals coming up.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Later on, we got another edition of in case you
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Speaker 1 (16:51):
Got you in or you out?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It's all yours, a three hour extravaganza here on a
Tuesday morning.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
But shut yes, somebody's pissed.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
They gotta put on a red line.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It's an NFL Star line and they're pissed.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Shine.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, I'll tell you who that is next.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
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Speaker 2 (17:33):
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Speaker 5 (17:43):
Shine Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
Do you feel like we need to clue people in
on why we're saying Cheyenne versus.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
This Syenne days?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Week? Yeah? Two more days, baby, I gotta.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Be honest with you.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
This is one of my favorite times of year to
be like kind of a fly on the wall to
watch LeVar go into what Cheyenne wild? Oh yeahsity belt, buckle,
the boots, just experience stuff that you you probably would
do what once a year?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
LeVar? I would do it a few times a year.
You would.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
I'm saying you you only do it like once a yeah, yeah,
it only happens once a year.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Plus you're all Jack now, so yeah I am Jack.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
You're gonna be wearing like a flannel, gonna be bursting outside.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
I'm gonna cut the arms out of God have you
been getting after it? I have bro sneakers.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I got tired of being, you know, part of like,
you know, just that lazy, lazy movement of not doing
anything with yourself type of person. I got tired of
seeing you guys at at different events and you're walking
around with your shirts tucked in and stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Like that, and.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Mine will was in my mind never going to be
tucked in, and which.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
By the way, I now found out what you meant
when you're like but AJ was showing off his figure
at the American Century Championship. I was like, oh, he
just bet he had his shirt tucked in. Yeah, yeah,
that's correct. Actually yes, But I kept looking back, I
was like, was he wearing something.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
That was on shirtless? No, it was all form fit.
Even the pants were like form fitting. You know everything
Now it's all stretchy and like right exactly, But you
got to be in good shape for it to look good.
If you're not in good shape, it doesn't look it
doesn't hit the right way, you know what I mean.
So shots out the aj Man, one of the LB's.
(19:43):
I mean, he he's maintained. All I could sit there
and think about is man like, poor aj He has
all that pressure on him. He has to look a
certain type of way because his brother in law looks
a certain type of way when he's dressed up. So
I was like, man, but he's he's like, you know,
he's not trying going to come to the family photo
and be lacking. So so shouts out to you aj Man.
(20:05):
You know, I was a fan. I was a big
fan of him. Player. We did of his physique.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
We did baptize our son and my my older sister
Laura and j were were the parents.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
So nice.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
He at one point I think he almost burned down
the basilica there in South Bend, uh when he was
lighting one of the candles. It all worked out, it
all worked out. Everyone's still alive. The basilica is still there.
The baptism got done.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Nice. Congratulations child, Congratulations, that's wonderful. I mean, what a
hell of a godfather to have huh, like, hey, it's
not only my uncle, but he's my godfather. Well, who
is that a j Hawk?
Speaker 6 (20:44):
You know, there are some people who are questioning the decision,
who know aj, But for the most part, I think
we're all pretty excited.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah Jacked, Well he's got no choice but to be
hard knows. I tell you that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well, just an athlete in general, like right out of
the womb.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
It just happens to be a family of athletes. Yeah,
you know all the way through you know, go figure.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Well, I mean, I mean, look, when you've got a
god parent like j and Lorence, it's kind of forced
down your throat, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, yeah, definitely has nothing to do with with the parents.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It's just unwritten pressure to be something sense.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
It's kind of forced down your throat almost like you know,
hbo and hard knocks.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
That's all.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Why did I catch what you were doing?
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
There is a solid transition. That is a solid transition.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
It was so good and.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
We are going to talk about that here on two
Pros and a Cup of jokes.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
He keeps that forced down your throat from.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
The tairaq dot com studios. By the way, speaking of
force down your throats and now we're going to force
a reality down your throats, and it's a reality that
many of you are guilty of, and it includes a story.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
In the world of sports. So that'll be yours again
twenty minutes. But let's hear from Aaron. Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Let's hear from This is Aaron Rodgers talking about the
decision for the Jets to be featured on HBO's Hard Knocks.
Aaron Rodgers good friends with one a j Hawks. So
let's listen to a Roger, new Jets quarterback.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
One of the only things I like about Hard Knocks
is the voice of God who narrates it.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Leave.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
I hope I get to meet him. Look, you know,
I understand the appeal with us. Obviously there's a lot
of eyes on me, a lot of a's on our team,
a lot of expectations for us squad. So they forced
it down throats and we got.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
To deal with it.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
So that's kpix courtesy of the sound there. Look, Adam
Schefter released some information yesterday on how this whole thing
is going to go with Hard Knocks, and it just
feels like we're.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Wasting our time.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
So according to Schefter, the team I guess NFL cameras
they won't let them inside the rooms where Robert Sala
and Joe Douglass the GM or cutting players, and schefter
says quote, Hard Knocks will not be the same. They're
not going to give the same access. The Jets don't
believe it's humane to show players being released. All right,
(23:11):
why are we doing this? It's run its course. If
it's going to be a watered down version of what
the NFL has been doing and HBO has been doing
for years, and you needed to go through all of
these hoops to even get anybody to want to do it,
what are we doing it for?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Just move on?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
It ran its time, it was great, It lasted what
fifteen sixteen years, and now we got to move on.
We talked about the evolution of the running back position.
It's the evolution of reality TV. Let's just get rid
of it, call this the last year and get on
with our lives.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
It's actually, I mean, it's kind of a good point.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
And I know there's some the Hard Knocks fans out
there who are going to hate saying this, But the
show never evolved, like it never really did evolve in
any capacity, meaning like name something that they were doing
year one that was drastically different from you know fifteen,
you know, you're sick nothing, And I think what they
(24:03):
missed out on was the fact that you have other
elements and things that are at play during this season,
which I think a lot of people look at as
more drama or more action packed, when it's actually during
the real live games, not just training camp.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Because the whole entire premise of hard knocks.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
And of training camp, as it's lessened over those sixteen years,
it's not the same amount of hitting, it's not the
same amount of you know, action that you'd see.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Even in training camp anymore.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
But one of the biggest points was the cut. It
was making the team. It was that story of the
player that wasn't as well known or fought through adversity
that made it. And now rosters are largely set between
the draft picks, what guys are signed for, probably with
the exception about ten guys, like that's the reality when
(24:55):
you walk into camp, there might be even less than that,
might be five or six guys who are back into
the ross or they're trying to figure out or a kicker,
like which one are they gonna pick from this it
just it doesn't draw the same amount of intrigue and drama.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
As it would be if you were falling.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
I think of this if you were falling the Jets
in season versus before, Like there's not a quarterback competition,
it's Rogers.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
You know it's gonna be Rogers.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
You really don't care what he does during training camp
or preseason. You just want to get into the season
healthy and then from there it's kind of everything else
that comes from it. So I'm sure for Jets fans,
they're gonna love the fact they get to see their
team in this capacity. I'm sure there's some diet you know,
die hard, hardcore HBO Hard Knocks fans that still want
(25:40):
to see this stuff, But the stuff in season, to me,
is way more entertaining. And then last thing I'll just
say is I had a buddy who was a part
of a team that was on Hard Knocks.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
I don't remember them getting anything extra.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Like you live in a world in a day and
age where players can you know, post content or do
different things and get paid for it. I don't think
these guys are getting any additional pay for being a
part of it.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Qute. That might be the best point I've heard on
this topic. I'm saying that there is no compensation. There
is no compensation for doing hard knocks, and you're one
hundred percent right, Like, why not if if you're getting
sent in as one of those guys that are getting cut,
and you know this guy is not going to have
a job with your team anymore. They're not getting compensated
(26:29):
by HBO or anybody for doing that that show. I mean,
I think that that's a great point. And if I
were then maybe I would sign off on understanding that
the likelihood of me losing my job on camera it
seems a little bit more bearable, you know, like there's
(26:49):
some compensation package or whatever. I don't know, but you're right.
I mean, guys are able to build their brands through
social media. There's just the focus and folk attention on
brand building now is at an all time high, and
so to to be a part of something and we
asked the question, well, why do we keep doing the
(27:11):
Show's money?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
I mean, it's money, However.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Much was committed to this this show and what comes
from it is the reason why they're going to carry
out the amount of time that you know is on
the contract between HBO and the National Football League to
do this. That's one hundred percent what it is. And
then when you look at the idea and the aspects
of okay, it hasn't evolved. That's very true. It's a
(27:38):
very accurate, accurate statement. But you know what, neither has
all access for boxing. And it's still very very entertaining.
But you know why it's entertaining because you're talking about
an all access pass that's leading to a climactical ending. Right,
(27:58):
two guys are going to fight. It's generally a big
ass fight when you do all access, and that's just
not the type of that's not the type of feel
you get from Heart Knocks. Right, it's not like, Okay,
I'm watching Heart Knocks, which is all intensive purposes, the
same thing as all Access or when they did twenty
(28:19):
four to seven with Floyd, it's the same premise. It's
probably the same exact people that did twenty four to
seven that do Heart Knocks. It was amazing to see
boxers and what they do in a camp, but a
camp leads to a fight, a singular, a singular happening,
(28:40):
a singular spectacle. This is not leading to a singular
spectacle you have an entire season to go through. So
to me, it would seem like it's more critical and
more imperative that you actually get the best team to
do Heart Knocks and follow them around and get an
(29:00):
in depth look at them, because nobody wants to be
associated with a loser. I'm sorry, if you're putting on
a team that's a losing team, it's it's that's generally
what you're getting on hard knocks because it's generally a
new head coach or whatever the you said the rules
a while back, Jonas, What.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Like, what can't be a first year head coach? You
can't have made the playoffs. It's just all these requirements
you got to meet.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
You basically see exactly the requirements that should go into
you using the team. It should be a team that
made the playoffs. It should be a competitive team. It
should be a coach that we know and admire. It
should be one of those things because that's what's going
to drive what's taking place. I don't, yes, I will
probably watch this this uh, this edition, this year's Heart Knocks,
(29:49):
just for the simple fact yet, just like everybody else,
hooking real is is that Aaron Rodgers is in a
new place that's a one time thing. So you've created
it's something that can connect to us emotionally to want
to watch it because the spectacle of it doesn't lead
to this ultimate climax. It's not like the first game
(30:11):
of the year is not an ultimate climax to the
storyline that's put forth in front of you, Like, here's
the roster. We know the roster like you just said it, Q.
We pretty much know who's going to play. So it's
not like I need to figure out anything else other
than what like this is what training camp looks like
for this team. It's kind of what it comes down to.
(30:33):
You got to figure out a way to entertain and
create a buy in that's greater than what it is
right now, because otherwise it's just not good enough for
it to become musty TV.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
To the point on the end season aspect of it
being more interesting. Last Chance You on Netflix, Quarterback, the
new series on Netflix. Both of those are really yes,
both in season and you get that sort of access
that you don't get. Just feels like an HBO can
do this in season version that they've done the past
couple of years with the Colts and the cardinals. I
(31:06):
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On Sunday, during the fifteenth stage of Toord of Front's Uh,
a fan created a big p after trying to take
a selfie on the track, was looking forward not backwards,
ended up making a collision with an American cyclists handlebars
and front wheel created a twenty cyclist pilot.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Oh no, that's a selfie.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I hope they caught I hope they captured the moment
on camera though honestly, like it happened, like it's over,
it's done with. So I hope that they were videoing it,
not just like taking like a snapshot, but like videoing
it so that you could see that you made history
that way, because you did.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
You know, France, it never was the same after they
got morals and started testing people.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
It's a damn shame.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I mean, you did have a megastar evolved in Lance Armstrong.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, I mean he.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Definitely did like put the game on. You know, he
definitely put the cyclist game on.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Definitely did.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Outside of American Flyers, of course, which was a dope
eighties movie that that you know, well, you know, it
was a great story line. Two brothers, they were they
were riding and you know, they were going up against
a villain and he was writing and they had girlfriends
and they was writing and they was in the vands
and they were okay. Anyway, it was a good movie.
Look it up. American fly American Flyer.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I remember Radio Flyer as a kid. Oh yeah, yeode.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Gleaming the cube. Like those eighties.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
This is the problem.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Did you remember that Christian Slater movie?
Speaker 5 (36:28):
I remember like a couple of cold cold classics.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
But American Flyers was about them cyclists. Man, you gotta
check it out. Man, it's a good movie. Yeah really,
I'm telling you. Let me see who's in it. There's
some people. You know who's in it.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
People got to they in it.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
They have the obsession with their phone and all they
do is cause problems.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Ray Don Chong is it you.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Know what they should do?
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Here should be what they do.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
The only the only, the only time you use your
phone is to listen to Fox Sports Radio or to
watch Fox Sports Radio content. I think that's the only
time it's appropriate. Other than that, put your phone down.
Let these guys ride around in the hills of France
and try and avoid whether or not they're going to
test positive for a PD.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Let them.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Let them.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Here's my whole thing. Why not create like another barrier,
like a barrier within the barrier right they stay, the
riders stay within that second barrier. The spectators stayed behind
the first barrier, Like, why not set up where they
can't get that close. I mean, I know a lot
of spaces, there's not that much space to be able
to do all of that. You know, they fall off
(37:30):
a mountain or something like a cliff. But I'm just said,
don't don't line up there. Then make that a no
lineup zone. If you can't create like a double barrier
where they can't get that close to the to the riders,
I don't see why. I mean, they shouldn't have that
type of access after something like this, that could have
been a life you know, like you you don't really
like some of the you know, where they're at. If
(37:51):
they were to do that in those palalops, somebody might
go over that mountain, you know, they might fall off
the edge.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
I think it's good to the point where selfies are
part of like population control, like there's a greater power
work just like well, if they were to take a
selfie doing that, good luck saying, spin off jump, trying
to thin the herd by by seeing who's dumb enough
to take selfies at bad take selfies?
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Don't jump, We'll just go ahead and jump.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
What else.
Speaker 8 (38:26):
Guy's in case of backtracking, last week, Joel embiid Uh
said that his next goal is to win a championship,
whether it's in Philly or anywhere else, peaking the uh
the ears of Sixers fans when asked about it.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
He has since said that he was only trolling. Got
him only trolling, man, cool man.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Let a guy get an MVP award. He just they
just run him up. Yeah, I'll tell you yeah.
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Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Or ten million. If you're a running back in the NFL,
you better get use Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
You have a friend that was a bar, that was
a bar that was good.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Uh Man, Saquon just don't.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I don't know that I had any sort of expectations
that they were going to get a deal done, Like
I know, deadlines due deals, but it felt like if
something was going to get done, we'd be at the
point to where it would have.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Gotten done already. Tony Pollard already signed his deal.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
He was coming off the off season surgery that he
he went through, so probably felt like it would behove
him to sign the deal and get the franchise number in.
But Josh Jacobs and Saquon Barkley, both those guys did
not get a long term deal done before this deadline
yesterday at four pm Eastern time. Thus, here we go,
(02:46):
either you're signing the franchise tag or we figure this out.
But it looks like neither is going to show up
to camp. And this is where we are with it.
When it comes to the running back position.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I want to I mean, I want to hear cues.
I want I kind of want to hear his his
input on it, because I don't really understand what happens
after you you've declared that you're not going to sign, Like,
what happens now? Like, are you still able to get
a long term deal done? What is the what does
(03:17):
the deadline mean? Okay, you don't have to get fine
for not reporting the camp, what like, what are the
implications of them not signing the tag?
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
I mean the implications are you know, you're not going
to define it for anything because you're technically not under
contract right.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Right, So that's the first step.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
But if you try to sit out the entire year,
like we saw saw with Le'Veon Bell, you find yourself
in the exact same spot next year and you don't
earn anything, right, you won't make any money, so they'll
still be able to utilize a tag on you, and
you know, then you're probably more seriously taken by the
team that you're unhappy with the situation. You want a
(03:58):
long term deal, so you'll get dealt But that's where
they're at right now. Now, if you sign your franchise tender,
then you're under contract, so you're subject to any other
fines if you don't show up or you you know,
technically hold out if you don't if you if you
don't want to come, because you're under contract, all those
things are are still applied.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
So that's what that's are you still because you can't
do the long term deal.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
You cannot do a long term that's past. Now there's
a misconception. You know, technically you could get paid more
for this year. The team could come back to you
and pay you more for this year under one year
deal that that could happen, but it very rarely ever happens.
So there are some misconceptions to what this year's contract
(04:43):
looks like, but that is essentially the framework of what
they're what they're going to play under.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
So it's franchise tag or nothing this year.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
For and Josh Jacobs that is correct, and Tony Pollard
for that he signed, he signed right.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Okay, okay, and they could pull it right and both,
because that's what happened with Josh Norman, right, Josh Norman
was on the tag in Carolina and then all of
a sudden they pulled it and he went and signed
with Washington, right, I remember that happening. But uh, I
just I don't know, Like I understand the running back
complaint and the issue, and it sucks, Like I feel
(05:18):
bad for them, and I feel bad for anybody in
a line of worker in an industry that's starting to
get phased out.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It's like newspapers, Like I feel bad. It's it's awful, but.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well, listen, I like it in the you know, the
ink on my thumbs, you know, I do like that,
you know, trying to brush off my thumb ring.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
A little bit of ink when you're read in the newspaper.
But again, that's a struggling industry. It's a struggling business.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
I feel bad dedicated to that thumb, I.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Definitely am can't get it off. That's a problem.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Uh So I feel bad that they have to go
through this. But I understand, well, I understand why teams
are in the position they're in, and I understand why
teams are doing what they're doing. Why tell us because
the game has changed. It's a passing game, and they
put more of an emphasis on passing the ball and
(06:08):
throwing the football. So running backs in turn have started
to become I don't know phased out is the right
term to use, but they have started to become on
the back burner a little bit in comparison to the
priority of passing the football.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Then, so that's that's an argument though that really doesn't
have a lot of.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Merit to it.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
If you look at the amount of touches though that
a running back gets between carries and receptions.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Their importance is still there. It's still there.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, I agree, And.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
So that's where like I get it, Like, I understand
that the game has changed, It's got more of a
passing game, and teams are throwing the football, you know,
closer to fifty five to sixty percent of the time.
Maybe in some cases there are still some teams who
run the football over fifty percent.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Now.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Granted, those teams like the Atlanta Falcons for that matter,
that a rookie running back last year, right, I mean
Cordie or Patterson played a role in that too.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
But Tyler Aljeer, what was their running back?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And he hit a heck of a rookie year and
they're going to be running the ball lot this year too.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah, that's not gonna change. My whole point is they're
The running back position.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
Is one that is unique compared to a lot of
others in the way that it's impacted by a new
working class, you know. And I think if if the
NFL PA we're smart, they do a couple of things.
They would first try to go and see if they
can allow and this is something that they need to
(07:40):
kind of push for because players have tried in the
past hasn't worked. Maurice Colorette is the first that comes
to mind, But I don't know. The running backs coming
out of college need to be three years removed from
high school. You know, Leonard Fournette was the most recent
one in my mind when I saw him as a
fresh run like that, dude could play in the NFL
(08:01):
right now, Like he can go play in the NFL
right now, and anything he does after this is only
going to potentially put wear and tear on him and
potentially put him at risk of injury. There's plenty of
Georgia running backs who fell into that same category too,
by the way, and Alabama running backs for that matter,
(08:22):
So I do think there needs to be some sort
of movement there. I think the other thing they could
do to help them out is say we want to
for this particular position remove the franchise tag so you
no longer in a rookie deal have the ability to
franchise tag about the end of their five year deal
if it's a first round pick, you know, four round deal,
(08:42):
or excuse me, four year deal, if it's a second
round pick or after like, all those things should be
things that the union is fighting for. It. It's what's
sad to me is when you hear running backs say
we need a new union, we need to do our
It's like, dude, no, that's that's why you pay your dues,
Like that's why you pay thousands of dollars a year
(09:04):
to a union to help protect your rights. And you
might be frustrated with the economics right now of the NFL,
and some people out there might be listening saying, hey, man,
like my job is going to go away because of
artificial intelligence.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah, I don't feel bad.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Already gone away, yeah like that.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
Like that's just part of how life works. Things grow
and evolve and then you're out. Yeah, and look, we
I'll put it this way, like Notre Dame, for example,
we had a running back. He's gonna play a slot receiver,
and it's important to get an opportunity this year, but
it's also important and maybe the best thing for his
career moving forward. You know, he he's more of a
kind of air airback, faster player, good returner. But now
(09:41):
you put him out in space, you put him on
a slot, you put them in different spots.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
He might say he might come back ten years from now.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Ago, Man, I'm still playing in the NFL because I
changed from a running back to a slot back and
I now have a shot playing in a sustained way.
So you know, some people would sit there and listen
to us and say, man, these guys need to adapter.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
That's just part of the deal.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
But there still needs to be something done by the
NFLPA Union or some sort of efforts instead of these
players feeling like they're on an island all by themselves.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It seems like a very very compromised position to be in.
But it has happened. I mean, this has happened before.
I mean, if you look at how many fullbacks are left,
I think there's like a handful of fullbacks that are left.
And fullbacks were just as critical as as the halfback. Like,
(10:38):
we don't even do that anymore, right, we don't do
two and three back. The two back is the half
back or the tailback or three the three back is
the fullback, right, and.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Those backs all the backs in the backfield.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Right.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
As a linebacker, you're like, oh, here.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
We go, Here we go. These dudes slamming into me. Man,
the lessengers and the gas and Lorenzo Lorenzo Nils like
Cla clavial busters, like you know, Don L. Bennett, Like
these these guys were were significant to two offenses in
(11:15):
the National Football League, and then they started turning into
h backs like they slowly went from a full back
to an h back, and now what is it? Well,
what is an H back. Well, it's like kind of
like a tight end, but it's not a tight end.
It's kind of like a fullback, but it's not a fullback.
It's like they're a tweiner. They can block, but they
can also go out for passes. So now you're starting
(11:37):
to see guys like you just said, Q, the Tarik
Hills of of the world, right, the Deebo Samuels of
the world. They were probably natural tailbacks playing through through
the years. But you when you talk about that evolution,
you're now talking about a position where you have to
almost be status quo, able to do what an Alvin
(12:00):
Kamara does, able to do what a Deebo Samuel does, Uh,
Christian McCaffrey. What they're able to do, you can't tell
the difference between them as a tailback or as a receiver.
So it's gonna it's gonna, I feel like the evolution
of football and where it's at with throwing the ball,
the formations, all of these these just the way uh
(12:22):
the game is going. You're gonna want to have a
receiver back, a back that's able to play receiver, a
receiver that's able to play back, and you can put
them there through movement motion to try to throw the
defenses off. You can actually make it easier. We had
this conversation. Linebackers are going to have to evolve as
(12:43):
this this process evolves. You won't need a linebacker like me.
If this continues to go the way that he's going,
it turns far. I know, I know it turns it.
I know it turns into a defensive end situation. Yeah,
I know you don't have to put on the red
(13:04):
line shineh. But but so if you think about it,
if you get a running back that is able to
slam the ball in there, like a Henry or or
some like Adrian Peterson, but they can go out in
past situations, now you've actually given your offense more of
(13:26):
an advantage really, because you're you basically have safeties that
are playing your outside backer. You'll probably only have one
back or left that's probably more of a pure thumper
and tackler, and that's going to be a middle backer.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Can I just involved the game? Can I be real
with you guys too?
Speaker 6 (13:43):
I do feel like the specialization of quarterback at like
a grassroots youth to junior high at a high school
level has played a role in this. You know, I
think you get quarterbacks who are so much better prepared
coming into the NFL from college. And that can be
(14:05):
via the private quarterback training and specialized training they're doing.
It can come via the seven on seven you know,
leagues and camps and things that they're a part of
as well, whether that's in the summer, in the spring,
all those things. You know, part of this is is
a byproduct of what's happening out around the running back position,
where you get quarterbacks who are coming in who don't
(14:25):
have really any fundamental flaws. I mean there, it's not
like you get these multi sport athletes where like I
played football, baseball, basketball growing up.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
You know, by the time I was.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Like feeling better and learning more about you know, my
like throwing motion for football, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
You were done.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I was done. Like I was like, Oh, I met
Tom House after I had a back injury my seventh
year in the league. I'm like, but I wish I
would have met.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
This guy like ten years ago.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
You know, the stuff he was teaching me a kid
from the Midwest was drastically different about just everything from
like my ratational power, my pre routines and creating more
mobility in my arm to create more power in my
throwing motion.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Like all the things he was teaching me. I'm like,
it's kind of depressing.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
I was like, it's gonna be great, Like ten years ago,
where were you then, Like, yeah, thanks for telling me now,
I should have bought apple Stock two decades ago.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Great, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
But I think that plays a role too, because you
have guys who can come in and immediately not be
like trying to you know, developed or work on any fundamentals.
They're for the most part coming in and just getting
reps and experience and used to an NFL offense. It's
more the mental side of the game more than anything else.
And I think because of these guys come in and
they're ready and they play and they play well, and
(15:42):
you look at it that way, every team, instead of saying, well,
let's let's make sure we you know, have this, this,
this all checked off, they go, no, we're just waiting
for that quarterback, that guy who's gonna be the high
tide that raises all the boats. Like that's what they
look at it because as much as you could have
a Adrian Peterson a running back, the reality is when
you need to throw the football on third and seven,
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he can't help you, you know, and he's not gonna play.
You know, he's not gonna be a weapon or factor.
Now you hope that he's he's running well off on
first and second down, you don't get in third and
seven plus.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
But for most teams, you're.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Gonna find yourself in third and seven plus or if
you're on fourth and four. You know, if as more
teams adapt to go forward on fourth down, you're also
gonna find yourself one and to throw the football more
in those scenarios. And that's where the running back running
back position is not gonna help you out.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, it just feels like we've discovered what the NFL
really thinks of that position.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
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But shut yes, somebody's pissed.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
They gotta put on a red line.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It's an NFL Star line and they're pissed.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Shine.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, I'll tell you who that is next.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
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Speaker 2 (17:33):
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Speaker 5 (17:43):
Shine Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
Do you feel like we need to clue people in
on why we're saying Cheyenne versus.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
This Syenne days?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Week? Yeah? Two more days, baby, I gotta.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Be honest with you.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
This is one of my favorite times of year to
be like kind of a fly on the wall to
watch LeVar go into what Cheyenne wild? Oh yeahsity belt, buckle,
the boots, just experience stuff that you you probably would
do what once a year?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
LeVar? I would do it a few times a year.
You would.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
I'm saying you you only do it like once a yeah, yeah,
it only happens once a year.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Plus you're all Jack now, so yeah I am Jack.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
You're gonna be wearing like a flannel, gonna be bursting outside.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
I'm gonna cut the arms out of God have you
been getting after it? I have bro sneakers.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I got tired of being, you know, part of like,
you know, just that lazy, lazy movement of not doing
anything with yourself type of person. I got tired of
seeing you guys at at different events and you're walking
around with your shirts tucked in and stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Like that, and.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Mine will was in my mind never going to be
tucked in, and which.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
By the way, I now found out what you meant
when you're like but AJ was showing off his figure
at the American Century Championship. I was like, oh, he
just bet he had his shirt tucked in. Yeah, yeah,
that's correct. Actually yes, But I kept looking back, I
was like, was he wearing something.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
That was on shirtless? No, it was all form fit.
Even the pants were like form fitting. You know everything
Now it's all stretchy and like right exactly, But you
got to be in good shape for it to look good.
If you're not in good shape, it doesn't look it
doesn't hit the right way, you know what I mean.
So shots out the aj Man, one of the LB's.
(19:43):
I mean, he he's maintained. All I could sit there
and think about is man like, poor aj He has
all that pressure on him. He has to look a
certain type of way because his brother in law looks
a certain type of way when he's dressed up. So
I was like, man, but he's he's like, you know,
he's not trying going to come to the family photo
and be lacking. So so shouts out to you aj Man.
(20:05):
You know, I was a fan. I was a big
fan of him. Player. We did of his physique.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
We did baptize our son and my my older sister
Laura and j were were the parents.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
So nice.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
He at one point I think he almost burned down
the basilica there in South Bend, uh when he was
lighting one of the candles. It all worked out, it
all worked out. Everyone's still alive. The basilica is still there.
The baptism got done.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Nice. Congratulations child, Congratulations, that's wonderful. I mean, what a
hell of a godfather to have huh, like, hey, it's
not only my uncle, but he's my godfather. Well, who
is that a j Hawk?
Speaker 6 (20:44):
You know, there are some people who are questioning the decision,
who know aj, But for the most part, I think
we're all pretty excited.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah Jacked, Well he's got no choice but to be
hard knows. I tell you that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well, just an athlete in general, like right out of
the womb.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
It just happens to be a family of athletes. Yeah,
you know all the way through you know, go figure.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Well, I mean, I mean, look, when you've got a
god parent like j and Lorence, it's kind of forced
down your throat, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, yeah, definitely has nothing to do with with the parents.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It's just unwritten pressure to be something sense.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
It's kind of forced down your throat almost like you know,
hbo and hard knocks.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
That's all.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Why did I catch what you were doing?
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
There is a solid transition. That is a solid transition.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
It was so good and.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
We are going to talk about that here on two
Pros and a Cup of jokes.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
He keeps that forced down your throat from.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
The tairaq dot com studios. By the way, speaking of
force down your throats and now we're going to force
a reality down your throats, and it's a reality that
many of you are guilty of, and it includes a story.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
In the world of sports. So that'll be yours again
twenty minutes. But let's hear from Aaron. Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Let's hear from This is Aaron Rodgers talking about the
decision for the Jets to be featured on HBO's Hard Knocks.
Aaron Rodgers good friends with one a j Hawks. So
let's listen to a Roger, new Jets quarterback.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
One of the only things I like about Hard Knocks
is the voice of God who narrates it.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Leave.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
I hope I get to meet him. Look, you know,
I understand the appeal with us. Obviously there's a lot
of eyes on me, a lot of a's on our team,
a lot of expectations for us squad. So they forced
it down throats and we got.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
To deal with it.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
So that's kpix courtesy of the sound there. Look, Adam
Schefter released some information yesterday on how this whole thing
is going to go with Hard Knocks, and it just
feels like we're.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Wasting our time.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
So according to Schefter, the team I guess NFL cameras
they won't let them inside the rooms where Robert Sala
and Joe Douglass the GM or cutting players, and schefter
says quote, Hard Knocks will not be the same. They're
not going to give the same access. The Jets don't
believe it's humane to show players being released. All right,
(23:11):
why are we doing this? It's run its course. If
it's going to be a watered down version of what
the NFL has been doing and HBO has been doing
for years, and you needed to go through all of
these hoops to even get anybody to want to do it,
what are we doing it for?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Just move on?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
It ran its time, it was great, It lasted what
fifteen sixteen years, and now we got to move on.
We talked about the evolution of the running back position.
It's the evolution of reality TV. Let's just get rid
of it, call this the last year and get on
with our lives.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
It's actually, I mean, it's kind of a good point.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
And I know there's some the Hard Knocks fans out
there who are going to hate saying this, But the
show never evolved, like it never really did evolve in
any capacity, meaning like name something that they were doing
year one that was drastically different from you know fifteen,
you know, you're sick nothing, And I think what they
(24:03):
missed out on was the fact that you have other
elements and things that are at play during this season,
which I think a lot of people look at as
more drama or more action packed, when it's actually during
the real live games, not just training camp.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Because the whole entire premise of hard knocks.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
And of training camp, as it's lessened over those sixteen years,
it's not the same amount of hitting, it's not the
same amount of you know, action that you'd see.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Even in training camp anymore.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
But one of the biggest points was the cut. It
was making the team. It was that story of the
player that wasn't as well known or fought through adversity
that made it. And now rosters are largely set between
the draft picks, what guys are signed for, probably with
the exception about ten guys, like that's the reality when
(24:55):
you walk into camp, there might be even less than that,
might be five or six guys who are back into
the ross or they're trying to figure out or a kicker,
like which one are they gonna pick from this it
just it doesn't draw the same amount of intrigue and drama.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
As it would be if you were falling.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
I think of this if you were falling the Jets
in season versus before, Like there's not a quarterback competition,
it's Rogers.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
You know it's gonna be Rogers.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
You really don't care what he does during training camp
or preseason. You just want to get into the season
healthy and then from there it's kind of everything else
that comes from it. So I'm sure for Jets fans,
they're gonna love the fact they get to see their
team in this capacity. I'm sure there's some diet you know,
die hard, hardcore HBO Hard Knocks fans that still want
(25:40):
to see this stuff, But the stuff in season, to me,
is way more entertaining. And then last thing I'll just
say is I had a buddy who was a part
of a team that was on Hard Knocks.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
I don't remember them getting anything extra.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Like you live in a world in a day and
age where players can you know, post content or do
different things and get paid for it. I don't think
these guys are getting any additional pay for being a
part of it.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Qute. That might be the best point I've heard on
this topic. I'm saying that there is no compensation. There
is no compensation for doing hard knocks, and you're one
hundred percent right, Like, why not if if you're getting
sent in as one of those guys that are getting cut,
and you know this guy is not going to have
a job with your team anymore. They're not getting compensated
(26:29):
by HBO or anybody for doing that that show. I mean,
I think that that's a great point. And if I
were then maybe I would sign off on understanding that
the likelihood of me losing my job on camera it
seems a little bit more bearable, you know, like there's
(26:49):
some compensation package or whatever. I don't know, but you're right.
I mean, guys are able to build their brands through
social media. There's just the focus and folk attention on
brand building now is at an all time high, and
so to to be a part of something and we
asked the question, well, why do we keep doing the
(27:11):
Show's money?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
I mean, it's money, However.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Much was committed to this this show and what comes
from it is the reason why they're going to carry
out the amount of time that you know is on
the contract between HBO and the National Football League to
do this. That's one hundred percent what it is. And
then when you look at the idea and the aspects
of okay, it hasn't evolved. That's very true. It's a
(27:38):
very accurate, accurate statement. But you know what, neither has
all access for boxing. And it's still very very entertaining.
But you know why it's entertaining because you're talking about
an all access pass that's leading to a climactical ending. Right,
(27:58):
two guys are going to fight. It's generally a big
ass fight when you do all access, and that's just
not the type of that's not the type of feel
you get from Heart Knocks. Right, it's not like, Okay,
I'm watching Heart Knocks, which is all intensive purposes, the
same thing as all Access or when they did twenty
(28:19):
four to seven with Floyd, it's the same premise. It's
probably the same exact people that did twenty four to
seven that do Heart Knocks. It was amazing to see
boxers and what they do in a camp, but a
camp leads to a fight, a singular, a singular happening,
(28:40):
a singular spectacle. This is not leading to a singular
spectacle you have an entire season to go through. So
to me, it would seem like it's more critical and
more imperative that you actually get the best team to
do Heart Knocks and follow them around and get an
(29:00):
in depth look at them, because nobody wants to be
associated with a loser. I'm sorry, if you're putting on
a team that's a losing team, it's it's that's generally
what you're getting on hard knocks because it's generally a
new head coach or whatever the you said the rules
a while back, Jonas, What.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Like, what can't be a first year head coach? You
can't have made the playoffs. It's just all these requirements
you got to meet.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
You basically see exactly the requirements that should go into
you using the team. It should be a team that
made the playoffs. It should be a competitive team. It
should be a coach that we know and admire. It
should be one of those things because that's what's going
to drive what's taking place. I don't, yes, I will
probably watch this this uh, this edition, this year's Heart Knocks,
(29:49):
just for the simple fact yet, just like everybody else,
hooking real is is that Aaron Rodgers is in a
new place that's a one time thing. So you've created
it's something that can connect to us emotionally to want
to watch it because the spectacle of it doesn't lead
to this ultimate climax. It's not like the first game
(30:11):
of the year is not an ultimate climax to the
storyline that's put forth in front of you, Like, here's
the roster. We know the roster like you just said it, Q.
We pretty much know who's going to play. So it's
not like I need to figure out anything else other
than what like this is what training camp looks like
for this team. It's kind of what it comes down to.
(30:33):
You got to figure out a way to entertain and
create a buy in that's greater than what it is
right now, because otherwise it's just not good enough for
it to become musty TV.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
To the point on the end season aspect of it
being more interesting. Last Chance You on Netflix, Quarterback, the
new series on Netflix. Both of those are really yes,
both in season and you get that sort of access
that you don't get. Just feels like an HBO can
do this in season version that they've done the past
couple of years with the Colts and the cardinals. I
(31:06):
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On Sunday, during the fifteenth stage of Toord of Front's Uh,
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ended up making a collision with an American cyclists handlebars
and front wheel created a twenty cyclist pilot.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Oh no, that's a selfie.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I hope they caught I hope they captured the moment
on camera though honestly, like it happened, like it's over,
it's done with. So I hope that they were videoing it,
not just like taking like a snapshot, but like videoing
it so that you could see that you made history
that way, because you did.
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You know, France, it never was the same after they
got morals and started testing people.
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It's a damn shame.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I mean, you did have a megastar evolved in Lance Armstrong.
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Yeah, I mean he.
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Definitely did like put the game on. You know, he
definitely put the cyclist game on.
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Definitely did.
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Outside of American Flyers, of course, which was a dope
eighties movie that that you know, well, you know, it
was a great story line. Two brothers, they were they
were riding and you know, they were going up against
a villain and he was writing and they had girlfriends
and they was writing and they was in the vands
and they were okay. Anyway, it was a good movie.
Look it up. American fly American Flyer.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I remember Radio Flyer as a kid. Oh yeah, yeode.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Gleaming the cube. Like those eighties.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
This is the problem.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Did you remember that Christian Slater movie?
Speaker 5 (36:28):
I remember like a couple of cold cold classics.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
But American Flyers was about them cyclists. Man, you gotta
check it out. Man, it's a good movie. Yeah really,
I'm telling you. Let me see who's in it. There's
some people. You know who's in it.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
People got to they in it.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
They have the obsession with their phone and all they
do is cause problems.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Ray Don Chong is it you.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Know what they should do?
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Here should be what they do.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
The only the only, the only time you use your
phone is to listen to Fox Sports Radio or to
watch Fox Sports Radio content. I think that's the only
time it's appropriate. Other than that, put your phone down.
Let these guys ride around in the hills of France
and try and avoid whether or not they're going to
test positive for a PD.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Let them.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Let them.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Here's my whole thing. Why not create like another barrier,
like a barrier within the barrier right they stay, the
riders stay within that second barrier. The spectators stayed behind
the first barrier, Like, why not set up where they
can't get that close. I mean, I know a lot
of spaces, there's not that much space to be able
to do all of that. You know, they fall off
(37:30):
a mountain or something like a cliff. But I'm just said,
don't don't line up there. Then make that a no
lineup zone. If you can't create like a double barrier
where they can't get that close to the to the riders,
I don't see why. I mean, they shouldn't have that
type of access after something like this, that could have
been a life you know, like you you don't really
like some of the you know, where they're at. If
(37:51):
they were to do that in those palalops, somebody might
go over that mountain, you know, they might fall off
the edge.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
I think it's good to the point where selfies are
part of like population control, like there's a greater power
work just like well, if they were to take a
selfie doing that, good luck saying, spin off jump, trying
to thin the herd by by seeing who's dumb enough
to take selfies at bad take selfies?
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Don't jump, We'll just go ahead and jump.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
What else.
Speaker 8 (38:26):
Guy's in case of backtracking, last week, Joel embiid Uh
said that his next goal is to win a championship,
whether it's in Philly or anywhere else, peaking the uh
the ears of Sixers fans when asked about it.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
He has since said that he was only trolling. Got
him only trolling, man, cool man.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Let a guy get an MVP award. He just they
just run him up. Yeah, I'll tell you yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
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