November 8, 2023 • 39 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, whether or not the Jets are a playoff team, Aaron Rodgers wants to prove a point by playing at the end of the season. LaVar believes Caleb Williams crying postgame shows the softness of society. Plus, updates on Antonio Pierce and Josh McDaniels on “ICYMI.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up on
this Wednesday edition, We're going to talk about the potential
return of Aaron Rodgers. Yes it's a real thing, but
maybe not even for a playoff run.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We will explain.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We're also going to get the latest from the fallout
of Caleb Williams and the criticism of the crying scene
round the world. LaVar Arrington is not happy about that.
We've got some quarterback updates around the NFL. We've also
got Mike Tomlin airing out the media for their coverage
of George Pickens. We've got the latest on the Michigan scandal,
another Bill Belichick rumor, and the old p Petros Papadaka
(00:35):
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So you're in PA. How we feel this night?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I'm in my mecca? You know I'm in my mecca. Now?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Are you in State College yet? Are you in the oh?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
I'm at Stake, I'm I'm in the football I'm in
the last building right now. Yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
The Lord.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Has entered.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
The College States, otherwise known as State College Pennsylvania. Eight
one four Lash building. He is here, he has returned.
Hey him College Football Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
On the walls, the hollow, the walls that you walk.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Down that none of the current players, even though if
you were walking in front of them, who you are.
Nonetheless we are on the wall outside of the door.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
There's a little bit of a little hint of Jamaican
in there.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I heard.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Well, you know, Jamaican is brittin you know, that's the England. Yeah,
it's got a little bit of English in it, you know, Yeah,
a little bit of that.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well, listen, you know it is going to be a
fun ride here.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
For the next couple of hours, we're going to get
more into what is happening there in State College. Potentially
you could be missing a key member of the opponent
coming up this weekend there for the Michigan Wolverines.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
We'll have more on that later on.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
But we've got to start with what was seen to
be a long shot initially, once the incident took place
and the injury took place, and that was the Aaron
Rodgers tearing of the Achilles, and people just sort of
looked at it and said, all right, well, he's gonna
be done for the year, and that's that We're gonna
go ahead and move on to some other things. And instead,
(03:35):
Rogers continues to make progress, rapid progress, unlike anything we've
ever seen. You've documented this and we've talked about it.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
LeVar.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
You've gone through the Achilles injury yourself. You know how
daunting of a task that is. So to see him
even out there throwing walking around no crutches, just a
few weeks after the injury took place is impressive. So
Rogers was on with the Pat McAfee show starring Ajhawk.
There was an incident that was caught on camera at
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the end of the game on Monday night where he
was talking with Derwin James and the Chargers, and Derwin
James was asking him something along the lines of when
can we see you back? When are you coming back?
And he said, give me a few weeks. And so
people look to that is well, you got a whole
half of the season left. Could we see Rogers before
the end of the year. And so he talked about
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those comments to Derwin James yesterday. Let's take it away.
Speaker 8 (04:29):
Let's hear he came over and dapped me up during
during the game and good to see him after the game.
I didn't realize that was going to get caught there.
I mean, obviously that was said with a little tongue
in cheek there. It'd be nice to be able to
be back in a couple of weeks. That's probably not
anywhere near a realistic timeline, but a couple is, you know,
it could be, could be a few, could be a
(04:49):
lot of It's more of a phrase that didn't have
a specific timetable. But yeah, I said it smiling, joking.
You know, he was talking about how you know, he's
excited for me to get on the field.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
At some point.
Speaker 8 (05:01):
I joked that will be a few weeks, But obviously
it's gonna be more than a couple of weeks.
Speaker 9 (05:05):
So couples to a few three ye rush bars four,
I'm right.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
So yeah, I'm just saying.
Speaker 8 (05:13):
It's gonna be it's gonna be a few, it's gonna
be a few, a few fortnits. It'll be a few fortnights.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
That's the latest from Aaron Rodgers discussing his potential return
this season for the Jets.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Okay, so what's your angle on this.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I think that if it's late in the year, what
we saw on Monday night. They're not a playoff team,
and I don't believe that they're going to be in
contention to be a playoff team by the time he's
ready to come back. But the thinking would be, well,
if they're not a playoff team, why would he even
bother coming back at that point? And I think that
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Rogers has got two things going on here. One, he
hopes they're in contention so if he comes back, he
can play meaningful games and maybe the make to the postseason.
And Two, I think he's dead set on proven people
wrong because of what happened over the past couple of years,
everybody questioning his comments about whether it be the vaccine,
(06:11):
his way of getting better, his idea of how to
get the mind and the body right, Like he's got
all sorts of things that seemed to be very controversial
because they go against big Pharma and so on and
so forth. I think he sees this as an opportunity
in saying, while everybody's going down this path, I'm going
to take this new surgery path that hasn't been done before,
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and I'm going to prove all of you guys wrong,
just like I've been trying to do for the past
couple of years. I think there's two battles here. Are
they going to be a playoff team? And can I
prove some people wrong? I don't think there'll be a
playoff team, But if he's got an opportunity to prove
somebody wrong, even if it's the final game of the
regular season and they're eliminated, we're going to see Rogers
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back on the field.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
You know, I could see that being a goal of
his for the reasons that you said, give the people
something to be excited for, even after they're not they're
not competitive to make it to the playoffs, like I
could see that give them gives them something excited, exciting
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for the off season and about him in particular, for
the off season. All he needs to do is get
back out there, have a pretty decent game, and he
gives his teammates, and he gives the fan base and
probably you could say the media, the local media for certain,
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a lot to write about and a lot to talk
about going into the off season. That would be And
I hope I'm not being out of line or disrespectful
for saying this. That would seem to be very Aaron
Rodgers esque to do something that would actually galvanize and
dominate the headlines in the off season, whether it be
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going down into the Hobbit Hole or going on you know, getaway,
you know in the wilderness with your girl and and
cliff diving and stuff like that, like whatever it may
may be, he seems to do a great job of
staying relevant during the off season, So I would not
say that that is far fetched as a theory. I, however,
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will say I do believe it's still far fetched to
think that he would be able to return from that
injury so quickly.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I mean, it's kind of wild that it's even a
possibility like that we're even having a legitimate conversation.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Of yeah, but do we really know that it's a possibility.
Like I understand he's ahead of schedule, and I understand
that he's throwing the ball around and all that good stuff,
but throwing the ball around, and to that point, I
don't want to diminish how phenomena it is him being
moving around up on his feet the way that he is,
because that is pretty phenomenal. But with that being said,
(09:04):
there's a very different tone to how your body has
to move when it's under duress in a football game
versus just throwing the ball around and walking around. That's
two very drastically different ways of moving your body. I
just think that it's not realistic, and I don't think
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it's reasonable to think that that's a real possibility.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Now, listen, I don't. You don't you definitely, in.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
My if I recall correctly my recollection, you don't risk
re injuring the Achilles tendon that's been repaired. When if
you once you get back out there, and if you
get back out there so early from whatever it is
that you're doing, I would say the only real risk
that you have is hurting something else because you're overcompensating
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for a body part that isn't fully back to where
it needs to be.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So it's not like an ACL to where we've seen
guys reinjure the ACL, like Odell Beckham or some of
these other guys.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
No, you can re injure your Achilles tendon. You can
re injure an ACL, but it would most likely be
a new a new injury. It would be a new injury.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I don't if I recall correctly, it's not like it's
supposed to be repaired and be stronger. The same thing
with an ACL, that one's a tendant and one's a ligament.
I would assume that the tendon is repaired, and it's
probably more sturdy than than the ligament, the ACL ligament,
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or any other ligament that you would be getting replaced
in your knee.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
But I would assume that if you were.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
To re injure your knee or re injure your Achilles tendon,
that still would be categorized as a new injury, not
an injury like, Okay, you came back and it wasn't
fully healed, and so it was re injured. That way,
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if you were to rupture your your achilles tendon again
on the same on the same achilles hell, I would
assume that that is a new injury. But what's more
likely to happen when you have that type of injury
take place is that you're going to compensate in other areas.
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So his hip might start hurting, his lower back might
start hurting, his other knee might start hurting, the same
my neck and my back the same side. Knee might
might start hurting like something might something will. Most likely,
in fact, right now, he's probably dealing with pains in
other parts of his body right now, right now, just
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off of the compensation of his body trying to balance out.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I mean, who isn't though, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
That's very true.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
You know, like my ankle is sore right now, the
same one that I was dealing with.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
It's just sore. It's just sore.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Also, those steps you have to walk up to get
to the private jet are pretty steep from what I hear,
so that would make some sense.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
That I did use a private jet. But I am
a I am a dreamliner guy. You ever use a dreamliner?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Now, it's a dreamliner?
Speaker 5 (12:26):
So dreamliners are you have your own Like I didn't
have my own pod so to speak. It wasn't like
a pod pod dreamliner like the big boys, but it was.
It was a decent dreamliner where you have like a
fully you got a big screen TV and then you
know your seat fully reclines and stuff like that, and
you do you kind of have a partition away from
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the person sitting next to you. But in some of
those some dreamliners you actually could sit with like somebody,
like a companion, and and it's like almost like a
privacy privacy chair.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I'm looking at it right now. It looks like a cubicle, right.
That is awesome.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Yeah, pretty dope. So that's when I drive. When I
fly to the East Coast, I always fly on a Dreamliner.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Damn.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah, I don't mess around.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Yeah, so I feel good, I feel rested, I feel
ready to go, and and for once, for once, because
I do complain when I complain, but for once, I
started the trip and I finished the trip with without
without any type of any real yeah, any real things
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situations playing out where I missed my flight or.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
We were on the jet way for an hour and
a half. It all worked out. So you know what
that means.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
On the way back, you're screwed, I might be, Yeah,
you're you're going to.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Run it all sorts of issues on the way back.
That's usually how this stuff works. But look, I mean,
I I think the fact that we're even having this
discussion about Rogers potentially making a return, I think it's fascinating.
I would love to see it, just because I would
love to see if it opens up the doors to
earlier returns because of the injury, because somebody took the
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risk and being the first one to do it. To me,
that's evolution. That's progress, that's you know, medicine advancing all
of that stuff. I would be really interested to see
how it plays out. And I just wonder final game
of the season is January seventh, all right, so we
are basically two months away from the final game of
the season, which I believe is going to be the
(14:33):
last opportunity for him to play, because I just don't
see this team being a playoff team based on all
the other issues they have. And they're at New England
potentially Belichick's final game as a Patriots coach, and we
get Rogers making his return. I'm just saying there is
some potential there. So that could be something for Aaron
Rodgers and the New York Jets the coming up for
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the finale, I guess it.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
If it works out, it's a feel good story.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
People can get excited about it and look at you know,
what what's to come and what they're looking forward to,
and and you get a feel good story that Aaron
Rodgers is one hundred in tune with his body to
the effect of where he would be able to pull
off getting back as quickly as he did.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Listen, if this was Deshaun Watson, we wouldn't see him
til twenty thirty, so the fact that we're even at
this point with Rogers just shows it.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
But Deshaun came back and played really well this past Sunday,
so there you go.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
It's great. So he's back in the mix too.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
It's that that vaunted Cardinals team which is currently projected
to pick first in the NFL draft.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So good stuff there.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
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Speaker 5 (17:04):
Huh, you know this all my neck, my back, my bleep, bleeping,
my bleep, my neck, mine back, my.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Peep peep, and my bleep.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
What do you bleeping out there?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
By the way, you know what time it is right now?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
What time is it? My god, motion time?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I'm gonna get lathered up here right now? Whoa, it's
windy out here, man.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
We got santanas popping back up and uh, you know,
skin gets a little dry, gotta put some lotion on it, rubs.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
The lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it's.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Told we'll hide and go seek with the privates there
to Buffalo Bill. What a weirdo. For those of you
who are not familiar with Silence of the Lambs. Uh,
highly recommended movie. Did Silence of the Lambs win Best Picture?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I mean, why wouldn't it.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Have closest thing to a horror movie to win Best Picture?
Speaker 8 (18:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And then how many people won an award or in
that movie? Because Anthony Hopkins had to have won an Oscar,
had to have he wore somebody else's face.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
How do you not win an oscar? Yeah, it cleaned up.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
It got a Best Actor, Best Picture, Best Actress, Best Director,
Best Screenplay, Best Sound Mixing, and Best Editing.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Damn, it's like this show I'm talking about that.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Yeah, I just told this dude on social I wouldn't
want you to coach me. So I was talking on
our podcast yesterday up on Game podcast by the way.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Me and TJ was talking about.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
How Caleb Williams dove into the jumped into the stands
and hugged his mom and was weeping in the stands
with his mom, and his mom covered his face up
with her sign or whatever it is she.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Had in her hand, and I said, I didn't like it.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
So people are saying I'm too judgmental. What's wrong with
crying in your mom's arms after you played a heart
fought game. What's your opinion on it? Like, what was
your opinion when you saw Caleb jump into the stands
and was weeping and sobbing with his mom.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I have a different perspective on this, just because, first,
I mean me personally, I would have if I'm emotional
about a game, the time for me to be emotional
is not in front of the cameras. We just lost.
I'll go be with my teammates and all that. But
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when you bring the mom into it, like it could
very well be. He jumped up into the stands to
tell them, hey, I'm all right. You know, physical game,
all that stuff took some hits. I'm all right, And
then once he embraced his mom, he just kind.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Of fell apart like that.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
That's the way I read it, because you know, we've
seen him go up to his family postgame before and
then in that moment, being emotional, he just sort of
lost it, which I think there are times everybody's been
in that spot, whether it's a family member, a loved one, whatever.
And then you know how I feel about my mom,
Like if I saw my mom after the show today
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and I hugged her, I probably would do the same thing.
So that that's my perspective on it.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I don't think that it was intended to be. Let
me make sure the cameras are on me, I'm going
to jump into my mom's arms so that they can
see me crying. And it's not that he doesn't like
the attention. He clearly does. The guy paints his fingernails,
he does all the other things like he sits on
the sidelines, and Petros has talked about this before. He
clearly knows his brand and he likes the attention that
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his brand gets. I think in that moment, he got
caught up up in the emotional game and he turned
into a son instead of a football player and a
future or current multi millionaire and that's why I got
the best of him in that moment.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
That's the way I took.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
It, And that's a fair take.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
I had a different take on it, and I actually
here's what I'd say, outside of his mother being ill
or something going on personally beyond our no, I would
totally apologize for my take on it. But if it's
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just purely based off of losing the game and you
leap into the stands and you're basically in a fetal
position waiting to be you know, fed a bottle and
a bedtime story, I think there's a time and a
place for everything. But at the point of becoming like
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a man, and and and and you learn a lot
of lessons when when you're playing football. And I know
this probably won't be a popular opinion, but I don't
really care because I'm a military kid. And and coming
from my background, which in the military that is male
and female, you are you are taught to handle things
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a certain way. And football embraces a lot of the
characteristics that would go into what the military preach and
what they do and how they breed and how they
grow and develop.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Young men.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
And and now I I'll you know, I'll say I guess,
I guess I can't say young women, but they do
have football for for for girls now. But I'd just say,
historically speaking, the game of football is really really geared
towards teaching you discipline. It's get towards teaching you a
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lot of different life lessons that really are connected to
how you cope with things, how you persevere through things.
And is crying a part of the game of football.
It absolutely is. And in fact, there was a kid
that played plays for Washington and his father passed away
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and he was doing the interview and he had a
pretty good game, made some plays, and he was crying
while he was doing the interview. I don't think anyone
would have any any type of opinion, hard opinion, any
judgment of the young man during the interview, and you know,
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broke down and started crying because he had lost his father.
And you know, he said his father would have wanted
to see him play, and he knows he's probably somewhere
and he's happy for him, and he's smiling down on him.
Like I don't think there's any issue with that. My
issue with Caleb doing what he did was it just
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it just seemed it just seemed soft.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It just seemed.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Like, like for all the great moments that you have
created and all the things that you've done, like you win,
you win with with pride, you win with integrity. You know,
we've seen how he's handled things and the good times,
but it's also how you handle things in the bad
times that ultimately also show what your character is and
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and shows what you're made of and shows leadership. It
just shows different qualities when you're in times of adversity.
And so for me, it just kind of it hit
me the wrong way, and I kind of I made
fun of it. I poked fun of it when I
was talking about it, you know, I said, like I said,
(24:57):
I said, he was like in need of some Similac
or something like that. He was trying and to revisit
his his toddler years, you know, being five months old
or whatever it was. It just looked like he was
in a fetal position while he was on on the wall,
and all it took was his mom putting her arm
under his legs and she's like literally holding her child
like a baby. I don't subscribe to that, and and
(25:21):
that's not that's not something I subscribe to now, it's
it's but it's all it's all based off of personal opinion.
Like I'm not saying somebody's right or I'm not saying
somebody's wrong. I'm just saying that's not what I subscribed to.
So that's why I was curious because I was looking
at some of the responses on my social which you
can find me.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Out King of the Mammals. That's King of the Mammals.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Yeah, but but I just found it interesting, like people
were like, uh, you got you're you're being so judgmental
or this, that and the other. And now you know,
I get I get paid to get my opinions. I
don't get paid to to be you know, kind of
like stating facts all the time. I literally give my
opinions based on what it is that I see.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
So it's we're in the opinion based business, and that's.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
What I'm always doing.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
I'm always having an opinion and it might not be
a popular opinion. But I think there's something to be
said about how low our numbers are with basic training,
how low the numbers are that that young men and
women can make it out of basic training, Like the
number the numbers are staggering. The obesity in our country
is staggering. The the the amounts of change that are
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taking place in our country as it applies to some
things that to me are just not commendable or something
that I support, is staggering.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, Like, I think that all of that is.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I don't think him crying in his mom's arms, At
least for me, I didn't. I don't look that. I
don't look at that as he's soft. That's a sign
of weakness. The guy plays college football at the highest level,
and he plays on a team to where he's all
they've got. He's taken a pounding at certain times this year.
So I don't look at him and I go, that's soft.
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My perspective just was all right. He jumped up into
his mom's arms, probably to say, hey, I'm okay, I'll
see you guys after the game. She may have said something,
and that was the moment he just fell apart.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
That's I think it's good. I think that's a good
approach to.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
It, and it's it's also your approach is fair too, Like,
like it's how we're basically on the outside of an
interrogation room trying to figure out what's going on. That's
what that's what all of this is. And we don't
know the back and forth, but all we've got to
go by is who the player is. And if we're
gonna be fair about this, and if people are going
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to be critical of your comments.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Again, why do you paint your nails and.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Write messages on your fingernails when you're playing Notre Dame
last year?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
For attention? He always paints it?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, yeah, but what do you do?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I don't even care. But here's my thing.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
But my point, my point is, I'm just real quick.
My point is he's shown in the past the guy
likes attention.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
He likes getting attention.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So it's not unfair for you to call him out
in this moment and say the guy is trying to
get some attention and it was kind of a soft move.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
That's not unfair. I didn't have a problem with it.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Yeah, I wasn't even I will say, I wasn't calling
him out to try to get attention. I was calling
them out for being solved. That's that's that's one hundred
what I percent what I was thinking like. And and
then the first question I asked myself was if one
of my sons did that after a game.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
What what would I do? What would I do?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
And again I'm basing this off of everything is on
the up and up, right, Like the mom isn't fighting
some type of illness or you know some you know,
the mom isn't going through something, because you do have
to take those things into consideration, right, Like I gave
an opinion. If it came out that somebody is ill
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and his family or they were sharing a moment because
of something that it took place, I totally apologize. I
really do, Like I would take it back. I would
issue an apology and I would stand on that.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I would accept that, just double down, screw it.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
No, I wouldn't double down.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
I would not double down on that because that's that's
very real, and that would be something very real where
you you did that, right, like you jumped into the
stands or whatever, and you know you were sharing that
moment with your mom and that happened that way. Like
I kind of still think that because I told TJ
this when I was talking to him. I've never been
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to a game where if a family member or a
loved one was at the game, I didn't see them
after the game when we got out of the locker room.
Not one time. There's not one time ever in the
history of me playing ball. And I would challenge I
would challenge that to any like just kind of you know,
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regular athlete. If you have a family member at your game,
you generally see your family member after every game. So
to me, I felt like, that's a moment that's reserved
for family, not reserved for the entire world to see.
For one, but for two, I thought to myself, if
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this were me, what would you do, LeVar if it
were one of your boys that was doing that, and
that was your wife that was was sitting there in
the stands, and she did and and that that kind
of happened. I think, all things given, if if everybody's okay,
and it was just a loss that took place, I would.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Have been mortified.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Immediately.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
I would have been I would have I would have
been mortified, and and I would have I would have
been somewhere I would have been saying tighten up. But
but to know to know how my family and how
my home is ran would be to know that Trish
would would have grabbed him and said tighten up, like
tighten up, go to the locker room. Tighten up and
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I'll see you in a little bit. That's what his
mom would have said to him, Like tighten up, like
you're a warrior. Like you started this thing, you finish
this thing. You stand, you step, you march, you hold
your chest up, you tuck your shoulders back, you put
that chin down, and you march, my guy, And I
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don't feel like there's enough of that anymore. I don't
feel like there's enough of it where we force our
young men to be men. I don't feel like there's
enough of that anymore. And I feel like a lot
of the things that are developing, and a lot of
the things that are taking place in our society and
our culture is because we got a bunch of soft
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ass people walking around and moving around. Again, I know
this probably isn't a popular take, but I'm just telling you, Jonas,
when I like I and again.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
It said, I apologize.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I apologize if I'm if I'm off on what the
circumstances were on him jumping into the stands, But I'm
not doing no LeVar leaping to the stands to hug
my mom and have her cover my face, and then
I start weeping and sobbing, like to me, that's soft
as hell, Like, that's sob My mom would my mom
would have probably pushed me back down onto the field,
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my mom.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Do you hear what a Whitlock called it? He called
it the Lambeau weep.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Listen, Witlock.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Whitlock is you know, Whitlock has his opinions, and I'm
gonna allow for Whitlock to be his old man and
do you know, do it the way that he does it.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
But I'm just saying for me, for me, I just
I thought that was a miss.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
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Speaker 12 (34:11):
Lap lab more than everybody, Morning Labar more thing, Jonas
more than everybody, guys, in case you miss this, two
sides of the coin on this story.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
We're gonna start here with.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Hey, guys, Hey Brady, shut up, Lee, y'all the doo
of mines, guys.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
In case you missed this.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Antonio appears after the game this weekend, was asked, why
you tried this new uh, this new practice that is
not practiced on most sidelines, that being letting squad practice
squad players onto the sideline during the game.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
Take a listen, yeah, practice squad players on the sideline.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yes, yes, if that is the case, why was that
important for you to have them down there on the field.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
Right, they got a raider's uniform. Them guys bust their tails.
You know, last week was just two days. This week
could be three days, and they're getting us looks both
on offense, defense, special teams. They're working down in the morning,
they're in the meetings, they're and everything about it. But
then on game day, where are they? I don't you know.
That wasn't my belief. I've been at other places, either
as a coach when I was a high school or college.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Every man's in man.
Speaker 9 (35:18):
If you're on the team, you're a part of team,
you're there on game day. And I just felt the
way that we practiced those two days and what we
asked them to do, they deserved to be on our sideline.
They earned that right, and I hope they don't stay
on practe squad. I hope they push themselves to become
on an active roster. And that was the carriacter. I
dangle in front of them, and they brought energy on
the sideline and it was a little a little busy
than we used to that I'm used to, But you
know what, I'll take it when they bring that kind
of juice that they did.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
That's what I'm talking about. See, I'm a pea squad guy.
You're not LeVar, You're a superstar. You wouldn't know anything
about it.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Mans they were in their street clothes though they weren't.
They weren't dressed. You can only dress so many guys.
But I love the conversation point of it. I love
the idea of it. I love the way that sounds.
Support your guys and give them some incentive and some
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motivation and show them, show them.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
That it matters what they do.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
You know, it's not just a job, but them doing
their job and doing it at a high level, it matters.
So I like the message of it, and I thought
it was a good move.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, I think as far as this show goes, I'm
the practice squad guy.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Sometimes I'll get a little bit of love, but most
of the time just kind of flying under the radar.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
So yeah, that'll be ten dollars.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I'm not paying that ten dollars.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
That'll be ten dollars.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
The first voice, the first voice they hear when we
come into the show is Jonas Knox's voice. The last
voice they hear going out of the show, more often
than not, is Jonas Knox's voice. So that's kind of
a kind of you overstated that right there, because you actually,
if people understand showbiz and they understand radio and understand TV,
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you are the star of the show. Now, the person
who drives the show is the star of the show.
So anybody trying to hear that weird ass, you just.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Put your weird ass.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
First weird person you see walking to a restaurant as
a hostess, last person you see the hostess.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
You're not getting the hostess, all right, So right, that
takes serving you.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I take pride they're making.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Sure you get to where you're supposed to get to
because they're the ones that run the show.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
I take pride in being the hostess on the show.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
All right.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
I'm not a hostess. You are the show. Ask anybody
who calls a game. It's the host that the person
that sets everything up. That's the star of the show.
And then you have an analyst that that plays off
of what the star of the show does.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
For example, when they see LeVar in public, they go
stick City, what up? And they throw up elevens. When
they see Brady Quinn, they.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Go, Brady, oh my god, can we get a picture?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
When they see me, they go a cup of Joe
and they pretend like they're sipping out of a cup
like that's what they do.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
That'll be I can't afford to do this show if
I continue to.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Be this man.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
You know that's that's so passive aggressive what you're doing
right now. Why don't you just go jump in the
stands and crying a family members already.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Why don't you just soft.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
As your soft ass.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
The other side of the coin on that Antonio Peers story,
that being Josh McDaniels. If you remember, he was fired
last Tuesday during Halloween night, and for that reason, he
actually called his children who were out trick or treating,
called them back home early from their trick or treating
to break the news to them that he was let
go from the Rash wants to go.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
But daddy's getting paid for the next four years kids,
So we're gonna go trick or treat somewhere else, like
you know.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
And by the way, if you're somewhere nice, somewhere, if you.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Want to really go trick or treating in Las Vegas,
let me recommend a couple of spots.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
LeVar Lvar stayed at one of the pools last time.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
You know, oh my god, the euro Pool, right, But
that ain't trick or treat for children. That that's you're
tricking and you're treating, and and your properly an.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Adult, you know, more trick than treat. A whole lot
of tricking and a whole lot of treating. Tricking.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Way, you know, they say tricks and for kids, and
she's got.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
That's what they said. That's what they say.
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up on
this Wednesday edition, We're going to talk about the potential
return of Aaron Rodgers. Yes it's a real thing, but
maybe not even for a playoff run.
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We will explain.
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We're also going to get the latest from the fallout
of Caleb Williams and the criticism of the crying scene
round the world. LaVar Arrington is not happy about that.
We've got some quarterback updates around the NFL. We've also
got Mike Tomlin airing out the media for their coverage
of George Pickens. We've got the latest on the Michigan scandal,
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So you're in PA. How we feel this night?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I'm in my mecca? You know I'm in my mecca. Now?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Are you in State College yet? Are you in the oh?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
I'm at Stake, I'm I'm in the football I'm in
the last building right now. Yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
The Lord.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Has entered.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
The College States, otherwise known as State College Pennsylvania. Eight
one four Lash building. He is here, he has returned.
Hey him College Football Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
On the walls, the hollow, the walls that you walk.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Down that none of the current players, even though if
you were walking in front of them, who you are.
Nonetheless we are on the wall outside of the door.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
There's a little bit of a little hint of Jamaican
in there.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I heard.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Well, you know, Jamaican is brittin you know, that's the England. Yeah,
it's got a little bit of English in it, you know, Yeah,
a little bit of that.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well, listen, you know it is going to be a
fun ride here.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
For the next couple of hours, we're going to get
more into what is happening there in State College. Potentially
you could be missing a key member of the opponent
coming up this weekend there for the Michigan Wolverines.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
We'll have more on that later on.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
But we've got to start with what was seen to
be a long shot initially, once the incident took place
and the injury took place, and that was the Aaron
Rodgers tearing of the Achilles, and people just sort of
looked at it and said, all right, well, he's gonna
be done for the year, and that's that We're gonna
go ahead and move on to some other things. And instead,
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Rogers continues to make progress, rapid progress, unlike anything we've
ever seen. You've documented this and we've talked about it.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
LeVar.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
You've gone through the Achilles injury yourself. You know how
daunting of a task that is. So to see him
even out there throwing walking around no crutches, just a
few weeks after the injury took place is impressive. So
Rogers was on with the Pat McAfee show starring Ajhawk.
There was an incident that was caught on camera at
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the end of the game on Monday night where he
was talking with Derwin James and the Chargers, and Derwin
James was asking him something along the lines of when
can we see you back? When are you coming back?
And he said, give me a few weeks. And so
people look to that is well, you got a whole
half of the season left. Could we see Rogers before
the end of the year. And so he talked about
(04:25):
those comments to Derwin James yesterday. Let's take it away.
Speaker 8 (04:29):
Let's hear he came over and dapped me up during
during the game and good to see him after the game.
I didn't realize that was going to get caught there.
I mean, obviously that was said with a little tongue
in cheek there. It'd be nice to be able to
be back in a couple of weeks. That's probably not
anywhere near a realistic timeline, but a couple is, you know,
it could be, could be a few, could be a
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lot of It's more of a phrase that didn't have
a specific timetable. But yeah, I said it smiling, joking.
You know, he was talking about how you know, he's
excited for me to get on the field.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
At some point.
Speaker 8 (05:01):
I joked that will be a few weeks, But obviously
it's gonna be more than a couple of weeks.
Speaker 9 (05:05):
So couples to a few three ye rush bars four,
I'm right.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
So yeah, I'm just saying.
Speaker 8 (05:13):
It's gonna be it's gonna be a few, it's gonna
be a few, a few fortnits. It'll be a few fortnights.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
That's the latest from Aaron Rodgers discussing his potential return
this season for the Jets.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Okay, so what's your angle on this.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I think that if it's late in the year, what
we saw on Monday night. They're not a playoff team,
and I don't believe that they're going to be in
contention to be a playoff team by the time he's
ready to come back. But the thinking would be, well,
if they're not a playoff team, why would he even
bother coming back at that point? And I think that
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Rogers has got two things going on here. One, he
hopes they're in contention so if he comes back, he
can play meaningful games and maybe the make to the postseason.
And Two, I think he's dead set on proven people
wrong because of what happened over the past couple of years,
everybody questioning his comments about whether it be the vaccine,
(06:11):
his way of getting better, his idea of how to
get the mind and the body right, Like he's got
all sorts of things that seemed to be very controversial
because they go against big Pharma and so on and
so forth. I think he sees this as an opportunity
in saying, while everybody's going down this path, I'm going
to take this new surgery path that hasn't been done before,
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and I'm going to prove all of you guys wrong,
just like I've been trying to do for the past
couple of years. I think there's two battles here. Are
they going to be a playoff team? And can I
prove some people wrong? I don't think there'll be a
playoff team, But if he's got an opportunity to prove
somebody wrong, even if it's the final game of the
regular season and they're eliminated, we're going to see Rogers
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back on the field.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
You know, I could see that being a goal of
his for the reasons that you said, give the people
something to be excited for, even after they're not they're
not competitive to make it to the playoffs, like I
could see that give them gives them something excited, exciting
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for the off season and about him in particular, for
the off season. All he needs to do is get
back out there, have a pretty decent game, and he
gives his teammates, and he gives the fan base and
probably you could say the media, the local media for certain,
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a lot to write about and a lot to talk
about going into the off season. That would be And
I hope I'm not being out of line or disrespectful
for saying this. That would seem to be very Aaron
Rodgers esque to do something that would actually galvanize and
dominate the headlines in the off season, whether it be
(07:59):
going down into the Hobbit Hole or going on you know, getaway,
you know in the wilderness with your girl and and
cliff diving and stuff like that, like whatever it may
may be, he seems to do a great job of
staying relevant during the off season, So I would not
say that that is far fetched as a theory. I, however,
(08:24):
will say I do believe it's still far fetched to
think that he would be able to return from that
injury so quickly.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I mean, it's kind of wild that it's even a
possibility like that we're even having a legitimate conversation.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Of yeah, but do we really know that it's a possibility.
Like I understand he's ahead of schedule, and I understand
that he's throwing the ball around and all that good stuff,
but throwing the ball around, and to that point, I
don't want to diminish how phenomena it is him being
moving around up on his feet the way that he is,
because that is pretty phenomenal. But with that being said,
(09:04):
there's a very different tone to how your body has
to move when it's under duress in a football game
versus just throwing the ball around and walking around. That's
two very drastically different ways of moving your body. I
just think that it's not realistic, and I don't think
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it's reasonable to think that that's a real possibility.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Now, listen, I don't. You don't you definitely, in.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
My if I recall correctly my recollection, you don't risk
re injuring the Achilles tendon that's been repaired. When if
you once you get back out there, and if you
get back out there so early from whatever it is
that you're doing, I would say the only real risk
that you have is hurting something else because you're overcompensating
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for a body part that isn't fully back to where
it needs to be.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So it's not like an ACL to where we've seen
guys reinjure the ACL, like Odell Beckham or some of
these other guys.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
No, you can re injure your Achilles tendon. You can
re injure an ACL, but it would most likely be
a new a new injury. It would be a new injury.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I don't if I recall correctly, it's not like it's
supposed to be repaired and be stronger. The same thing
with an ACL, that one's a tendant and one's a ligament.
I would assume that the tendon is repaired, and it's
probably more sturdy than than the ligament, the ACL ligament,
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or any other ligament that you would be getting replaced
in your knee.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
But I would assume that if you were.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
To re injure your knee or re injure your Achilles tendon,
that still would be categorized as a new injury, not
an injury like, Okay, you came back and it wasn't
fully healed, and so it was re injured. That way,
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if you were to rupture your your achilles tendon again
on the same on the same achilles hell, I would
assume that that is a new injury. But what's more
likely to happen when you have that type of injury
take place is that you're going to compensate in other areas.
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So his hip might start hurting, his lower back might
start hurting, his other knee might start hurting, the same
my neck and my back the same side. Knee might
might start hurting like something might something will. Most likely,
in fact, right now, he's probably dealing with pains in
other parts of his body right now, right now, just
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off of the compensation of his body trying to balance out.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I mean, who isn't though, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
That's very true.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
You know, like my ankle is sore right now, the
same one that I was dealing with.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
It's just sore. It's just sore.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Also, those steps you have to walk up to get
to the private jet are pretty steep from what I hear,
so that would make some sense.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
That I did use a private jet. But I am
a I am a dreamliner guy. You ever use a dreamliner?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Now, it's a dreamliner?
Speaker 5 (12:26):
So dreamliners are you have your own Like I didn't
have my own pod so to speak. It wasn't like
a pod pod dreamliner like the big boys, but it was.
It was a decent dreamliner where you have like a
fully you got a big screen TV and then you
know your seat fully reclines and stuff like that, and
you do you kind of have a partition away from
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the person sitting next to you. But in some of
those some dreamliners you actually could sit with like somebody,
like a companion, and and it's like almost like a
privacy privacy chair.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I'm looking at it right now. It looks like a cubicle, right.
That is awesome.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Yeah, pretty dope. So that's when I drive. When I
fly to the East Coast, I always fly on a Dreamliner.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Damn.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah, I don't mess around.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Yeah, so I feel good, I feel rested, I feel
ready to go, and and for once, for once, because
I do complain when I complain, but for once, I
started the trip and I finished the trip with without
without any type of any real yeah, any real things
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situations playing out where I missed my flight or.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
We were on the jet way for an hour and
a half. It all worked out. So you know what
that means.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
On the way back, you're screwed, I might be, Yeah,
you're you're going to.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Run it all sorts of issues on the way back.
That's usually how this stuff works. But look, I mean,
I I think the fact that we're even having this
discussion about Rogers potentially making a return, I think it's fascinating.
I would love to see it, just because I would
love to see if it opens up the doors to
earlier returns because of the injury, because somebody took the
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risk and being the first one to do it. To me,
that's evolution. That's progress, that's you know, medicine advancing all
of that stuff. I would be really interested to see
how it plays out. And I just wonder final game
of the season is January seventh, all right, so we
are basically two months away from the final game of
the season, which I believe is going to be the
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last opportunity for him to play, because I just don't
see this team being a playoff team based on all
the other issues they have. And they're at New England
potentially Belichick's final game as a Patriots coach, and we
get Rogers making his return. I'm just saying there is
some potential there. So that could be something for Aaron
Rodgers and the New York Jets the coming up for
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the finale, I guess it.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
If it works out, it's a feel good story.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
People can get excited about it and look at you know,
what what's to come and what they're looking forward to,
and and you get a feel good story that Aaron
Rodgers is one hundred in tune with his body to
the effect of where he would be able to pull
off getting back as quickly as he did.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Listen, if this was Deshaun Watson, we wouldn't see him
til twenty thirty, so the fact that we're even at
this point with Rogers just shows it.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
But Deshaun came back and played really well this past Sunday,
so there you go.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
It's great. So he's back in the mix too.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
It's that that vaunted Cardinals team which is currently projected
to pick first in the NFL draft.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So good stuff there.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Knox with you.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
So we are gonna have the usuals coming up later on.
We've got another edition of incase you missed it. We've
also got some midweek awards we're going to hand out.
We've got the old p Petros Papadak is stopping by.
It's all yours again as we take you all the
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But coming up next here from the Tire Ract Studios,
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Speaker 2 (16:07):
We'll tell you who that is next here on FSR.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
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Speaker 2 (17:02):
Oh yeah, bar.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Huh, you know this all my neck, my back, my bleep, bleeping,
my bleep, my neck, mine back, my.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Peep peep, and my bleep.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
What do you bleeping out there?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
By the way, you know what time it is right now?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
What time is it? My god, motion time?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I'm gonna get lathered up here right now? Whoa, it's
windy out here, man.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
We got santanas popping back up and uh, you know,
skin gets a little dry, gotta put some lotion on it, rubs.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
The lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it's.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Told we'll hide and go seek with the privates there
to Buffalo Bill. What a weirdo. For those of you
who are not familiar with Silence of the Lambs. Uh,
highly recommended movie. Did Silence of the Lambs win Best Picture?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I mean, why wouldn't it.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Have closest thing to a horror movie to win Best Picture?
Speaker 8 (18:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And then how many people won an award or in
that movie? Because Anthony Hopkins had to have won an Oscar,
had to have he wore somebody else's face.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
How do you not win an oscar? Yeah, it cleaned up.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
It got a Best Actor, Best Picture, Best Actress, Best Director,
Best Screenplay, Best Sound Mixing, and Best Editing.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Damn, it's like this show I'm talking about that.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Yeah, I just told this dude on social I wouldn't
want you to coach me. So I was talking on
our podcast yesterday up on Game podcast by the way.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Me and TJ was talking about.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
How Caleb Williams dove into the jumped into the stands
and hugged his mom and was weeping in the stands
with his mom, and his mom covered his face up
with her sign or whatever it is she.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Had in her hand, and I said, I didn't like it.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
So people are saying I'm too judgmental. What's wrong with
crying in your mom's arms after you played a heart
fought game. What's your opinion on it? Like, what was
your opinion when you saw Caleb jump into the stands
and was weeping and sobbing with his mom.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I have a different perspective on this, just because, first,
I mean me personally, I would have if I'm emotional
about a game, the time for me to be emotional
is not in front of the cameras. We just lost.
I'll go be with my teammates and all that. But
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when you bring the mom into it, like it could
very well be. He jumped up into the stands to
tell them, hey, I'm all right. You know, physical game,
all that stuff took some hits. I'm all right, And
then once he embraced his mom, he just kind.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Of fell apart like that.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
That's the way I read it, because you know, we've
seen him go up to his family postgame before and
then in that moment, being emotional, he just sort of
lost it, which I think there are times everybody's been
in that spot, whether it's a family member, a loved one, whatever.
And then you know how I feel about my mom,
Like if I saw my mom after the show today
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and I hugged her, I probably would do the same thing.
So that that's my perspective on it.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I don't think that it was intended to be. Let
me make sure the cameras are on me, I'm going
to jump into my mom's arms so that they can
see me crying. And it's not that he doesn't like
the attention. He clearly does. The guy paints his fingernails,
he does all the other things like he sits on
the sidelines, and Petros has talked about this before. He
clearly knows his brand and he likes the attention that
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his brand gets. I think in that moment, he got
caught up up in the emotional game and he turned
into a son instead of a football player and a
future or current multi millionaire and that's why I got
the best of him in that moment.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
That's the way I took.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
It, And that's a fair take.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
I had a different take on it, and I actually
here's what I'd say, outside of his mother being ill
or something going on personally beyond our no, I would
totally apologize for my take on it. But if it's
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just purely based off of losing the game and you
leap into the stands and you're basically in a fetal
position waiting to be you know, fed a bottle and
a bedtime story, I think there's a time and a
place for everything. But at the point of becoming like
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a man, and and and and you learn a lot
of lessons when when you're playing football. And I know
this probably won't be a popular opinion, but I don't
really care because I'm a military kid. And and coming
from my background, which in the military that is male
and female, you are you are taught to handle things
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a certain way. And football embraces a lot of the
characteristics that would go into what the military preach and
what they do and how they breed and how they
grow and develop.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Young men.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
And and now I I'll you know, I'll say I guess,
I guess I can't say young women, but they do
have football for for for girls now. But I'd just say,
historically speaking, the game of football is really really geared
towards teaching you discipline. It's get towards teaching you a
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lot of different life lessons that really are connected to
how you cope with things, how you persevere through things.
And is crying a part of the game of football.
It absolutely is. And in fact, there was a kid
that played plays for Washington and his father passed away
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and he was doing the interview and he had a
pretty good game, made some plays, and he was crying
while he was doing the interview. I don't think anyone
would have any any type of opinion, hard opinion, any
judgment of the young man during the interview, and you know,
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broke down and started crying because he had lost his father.
And you know, he said his father would have wanted
to see him play, and he knows he's probably somewhere
and he's happy for him, and he's smiling down on him.
Like I don't think there's any issue with that. My
issue with Caleb doing what he did was it just
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it just seemed it just seemed soft.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It just seemed.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Like, like for all the great moments that you have
created and all the things that you've done, like you win,
you win with with pride, you win with integrity. You know,
we've seen how he's handled things and the good times,
but it's also how you handle things in the bad
times that ultimately also show what your character is and
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and shows what you're made of and shows leadership. It
just shows different qualities when you're in times of adversity.
And so for me, it just kind of it hit
me the wrong way, and I kind of I made
fun of it. I poked fun of it when I
was talking about it, you know, I said, like I said,
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I said, he was like in need of some Similac
or something like that. He was trying and to revisit
his his toddler years, you know, being five months old
or whatever it was. It just looked like he was
in a fetal position while he was on on the wall,
and all it took was his mom putting her arm
under his legs and she's like literally holding her child
like a baby. I don't subscribe to that, and and
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that's not that's not something I subscribe to now, it's
it's but it's all it's all based off of personal opinion.
Like I'm not saying somebody's right or I'm not saying
somebody's wrong. I'm just saying that's not what I subscribed to.
So that's why I was curious because I was looking
at some of the responses on my social which you
can find me.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Out King of the Mammals. That's King of the Mammals.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Yeah, but but I just found it interesting, like people
were like, uh, you got you're you're being so judgmental
or this, that and the other. And now you know,
I get I get paid to get my opinions. I
don't get paid to to be you know, kind of
like stating facts all the time. I literally give my
opinions based on what it is that I see.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
So it's we're in the opinion based business, and that's.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
What I'm always doing.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
I'm always having an opinion and it might not be
a popular opinion. But I think there's something to be
said about how low our numbers are with basic training,
how low the numbers are that that young men and
women can make it out of basic training, Like the
number the numbers are staggering. The obesity in our country
is staggering. The the the amounts of change that are
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taking place in our country as it applies to some
things that to me are just not commendable or something
that I support, is staggering.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, Like, I think that all of that is.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I don't think him crying in his mom's arms, At
least for me, I didn't. I don't look that. I
don't look at that as he's soft. That's a sign
of weakness. The guy plays college football at the highest level,
and he plays on a team to where he's all
they've got. He's taken a pounding at certain times this year.
So I don't look at him and I go, that's soft.
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My perspective just was all right. He jumped up into
his mom's arms, probably to say, hey, I'm okay, I'll
see you guys after the game. She may have said something,
and that was the moment he just fell apart.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
That's I think it's good. I think that's a good
approach to.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
It, and it's it's also your approach is fair too, Like,
like it's how we're basically on the outside of an
interrogation room trying to figure out what's going on. That's
what that's what all of this is. And we don't
know the back and forth, but all we've got to
go by is who the player is. And if we're
gonna be fair about this, and if people are going
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to be critical of your comments.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Again, why do you paint your nails and.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Write messages on your fingernails when you're playing Notre Dame
last year?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
For attention? He always paints it?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, yeah, but what do you do?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I don't even care. But here's my thing.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
But my point, my point is, I'm just real quick.
My point is he's shown in the past the guy
likes attention.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
He likes getting attention.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So it's not unfair for you to call him out
in this moment and say the guy is trying to
get some attention and it was kind of a soft move.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
That's not unfair. I didn't have a problem with it.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Yeah, I wasn't even I will say, I wasn't calling
him out to try to get attention. I was calling
them out for being solved. That's that's that's one hundred
what I percent what I was thinking like. And and
then the first question I asked myself was if one
of my sons did that after a game.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
What what would I do? What would I do?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
And again I'm basing this off of everything is on
the up and up, right, Like the mom isn't fighting
some type of illness or you know some you know,
the mom isn't going through something, because you do have
to take those things into consideration, right, Like I gave
an opinion. If it came out that somebody is ill
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and his family or they were sharing a moment because
of something that it took place, I totally apologize. I
really do, Like I would take it back. I would
issue an apology and I would stand on that.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I would accept that, just double down, screw it.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
No, I wouldn't double down.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
I would not double down on that because that's that's
very real, and that would be something very real where
you you did that, right, like you jumped into the
stands or whatever, and you know you were sharing that
moment with your mom and that happened that way. Like
I kind of still think that because I told TJ
this when I was talking to him. I've never been
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to a game where if a family member or a
loved one was at the game, I didn't see them
after the game when we got out of the locker room.
Not one time. There's not one time ever in the
history of me playing ball. And I would challenge I
would challenge that to any like just kind of you know,
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regular athlete. If you have a family member at your game,
you generally see your family member after every game. So
to me, I felt like, that's a moment that's reserved
for family, not reserved for the entire world to see.
For one, but for two, I thought to myself, if
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this were me, what would you do, LeVar if it
were one of your boys that was doing that, and
that was your wife that was was sitting there in
the stands, and she did and and that that kind
of happened. I think, all things given, if if everybody's okay,
and it was just a loss that took place, I would.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Have been mortified.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Immediately.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
I would have been I would have I would have
been mortified, and and I would have I would have
been somewhere I would have been saying tighten up. But
but to know to know how my family and how
my home is ran would be to know that Trish
would would have grabbed him and said tighten up, like
tighten up, go to the locker room. Tighten up and
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I'll see you in a little bit. That's what his
mom would have said to him, Like tighten up, like
you're a warrior. Like you started this thing, you finish
this thing. You stand, you step, you march, you hold
your chest up, you tuck your shoulders back, you put
that chin down, and you march, my guy, And I
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don't feel like there's enough of that anymore. I don't
feel like there's enough of it where we force our
young men to be men. I don't feel like there's
enough of that anymore. And I feel like a lot
of the things that are developing, and a lot of
the things that are taking place in our society and
our culture is because we got a bunch of soft
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ass people walking around and moving around. Again, I know
this probably isn't a popular take, but I'm just telling you, Jonas,
when I like I and again.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
It said, I apologize.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I apologize if I'm if I'm off on what the
circumstances were on him jumping into the stands, But I'm
not doing no LeVar leaping to the stands to hug
my mom and have her cover my face, and then
I start weeping and sobbing, like to me, that's soft
as hell, Like, that's sob My mom would my mom
would have probably pushed me back down onto the field,
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my mom.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Do you hear what a Whitlock called it? He called
it the Lambeau weep.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Listen, Witlock.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Whitlock is you know, Whitlock has his opinions, and I'm
gonna allow for Whitlock to be his old man and
do you know, do it the way that he does it.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
But I'm just saying for me, for me, I just
I thought that was a miss.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
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Speaker 1 (34:06):
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Speaker 12 (34:11):
Lap lab more than everybody, Morning Labar more thing, Jonas
more than everybody, guys, in case you miss this, two
sides of the coin on this story.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
We're gonna start here with.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Hey, guys, Hey Brady, shut up, Lee, y'all the doo
of mines, guys.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
In case you missed this.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Antonio appears after the game this weekend, was asked, why
you tried this new uh, this new practice that is
not practiced on most sidelines, that being letting squad practice
squad players onto the sideline during the game.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
Take a listen, yeah, practice squad players on the sideline.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yes, yes, if that is the case, why was that
important for you to have them down there on the field.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
Right, they got a raider's uniform. Them guys bust their tails.
You know, last week was just two days. This week
could be three days, and they're getting us looks both
on offense, defense, special teams. They're working down in the morning,
they're in the meetings, they're and everything about it. But
then on game day, where are they? I don't you know.
That wasn't my belief. I've been at other places, either
as a coach when I was a high school or college.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Every man's in man.
Speaker 9 (35:18):
If you're on the team, you're a part of team,
you're there on game day. And I just felt the
way that we practiced those two days and what we
asked them to do, they deserved to be on our sideline.
They earned that right, and I hope they don't stay
on practe squad. I hope they push themselves to become
on an active roster. And that was the carriacter. I
dangle in front of them, and they brought energy on
the sideline and it was a little a little busy
than we used to that I'm used to, But you
know what, I'll take it when they bring that kind
of juice that they did.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
That's what I'm talking about. See, I'm a pea squad guy.
You're not LeVar, You're a superstar. You wouldn't know anything
about it.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Mans they were in their street clothes though they weren't.
They weren't dressed. You can only dress so many guys.
But I love the conversation point of it. I love
the idea of it. I love the way that sounds.
Support your guys and give them some incentive and some
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motivation and show them, show them.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
That it matters what they do.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
You know, it's not just a job, but them doing
their job and doing it at a high level, it matters.
So I like the message of it, and I thought
it was a good move.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, I think as far as this show goes, I'm
the practice squad guy.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Sometimes I'll get a little bit of love, but most
of the time just kind of flying under the radar.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
So yeah, that'll be ten dollars.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I'm not paying that ten dollars.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
That'll be ten dollars.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
The first voice, the first voice they hear when we
come into the show is Jonas Knox's voice. The last
voice they hear going out of the show, more often
than not, is Jonas Knox's voice. So that's kind of
a kind of you overstated that right there, because you actually,
if people understand showbiz and they understand radio and understand TV,
(36:56):
you are the star of the show. Now, the person
who drives the show is the star of the show.
So anybody trying to hear that weird ass, you just.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Put your weird ass.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
First weird person you see walking to a restaurant as
a hostess, last person you see the hostess.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
You're not getting the hostess, all right, So right, that
takes serving you.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I take pride they're making.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Sure you get to where you're supposed to get to
because they're the ones that run the show.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
I take pride in being the hostess on the show.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
All right.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
I'm not a hostess. You are the show. Ask anybody
who calls a game. It's the host that the person
that sets everything up. That's the star of the show.
And then you have an analyst that that plays off
of what the star of the show does.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
For example, when they see LeVar in public, they go
stick City, what up? And they throw up elevens. When
they see Brady Quinn, they.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Go, Brady, oh my god, can we get a picture?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
When they see me, they go a cup of Joe
and they pretend like they're sipping out of a cup
like that's what they do.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
That'll be I can't afford to do this show if
I continue to.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Be this man.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
You know that's that's so passive aggressive what you're doing
right now. Why don't you just go jump in the
stands and crying a family members already.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Why don't you just soft.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
As your soft ass.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
The other side of the coin on that Antonio Peers story,
that being Josh McDaniels. If you remember, he was fired
last Tuesday during Halloween night, and for that reason, he
actually called his children who were out trick or treating,
called them back home early from their trick or treating
to break the news to them that he was let
go from the Rash wants to go.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
But daddy's getting paid for the next four years kids,
So we're gonna go trick or treat somewhere else, like
you know.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
And by the way, if you're somewhere nice, somewhere, if you.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Want to really go trick or treating in Las Vegas,
let me recommend a couple of spots.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
LeVar Lvar stayed at one of the pools last time.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
You know, oh my god, the euro Pool, right, But
that ain't trick or treat for children. That that's you're
tricking and you're treating, and and your properly an.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Adult, you know, more trick than treat. A whole lot
of tricking and a whole lot of treating. Tricking.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Way, you know, they say tricks and for kids, and
she's got.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
That's what they said. That's what they say.
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