July 8, 2025 • 41 mins
Asante Samuel Sr. rips into the Dolphins and hipster coaches. College Football Reporter for FOX and The Athletic, Bruce Feldman helps explain the crazy numbers and rules circling NIL. Plus, Maxx Crosby feels good energy with Pete Carroll.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
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begin hour two of the program, what up Stakes.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
One?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
That's a dope. That's a dope intro song, you know,
And that's the cow heard intro song that's right for
the show that we need to find somebody to Oh,
we do have one. We do have one there, man,
our buddy, what is it?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Lee Corvalis made us a couple of them, like a
fifties diner edition.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I really like it. Two pros. You know what movie
that's from, and you know what they were doing. Okay,
that's more commonplace these days. You know what movie, No,
it's a good guess. Come on, come on, movie, I
could tell you it's super simple, super easy. We know
you watch movies from the eighties. If you if you
(01:45):
got this this right, music on, try Lee a Lee,
you're a movie blow hard. The name of the restaurant
was called the Blue Oyster. Did I get that one right?
Blue Oyster? There you go? Police? Are you go? You
remember every time you go in there? That would be
the song that would play every single time they fall
(02:06):
in there? You see dudes with chaps on, and that's it.
Damn the little collars, the dog collar of the rocket.
Why do I remember this? All right? I might be
incriminating myself. I'm right, I put myself out there, but
I do remember the Blue Oyster from Police Academy movies
because of that song in particular. By the way, yeah, yeah,
(02:29):
there you go.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Now do you remember when the Miami Dolphins were good?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Do you remember that? Let's see Larry Zonka, Mark Duper,
uh well Duper was with Damn Marino, which they were
good then too. They just couldn't win the Super Bowl.
Let's see who else was who else was there. Don
Shula was the coach. Anyways, Yeah, it's been a while. Yeah,
(02:57):
I mean listening.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
They've had uh you know, Williams was there, Dave Wantstat
was there. They've had some runs here. In the most
recent run you would look at and go, well, it
made a couple of playoff appearances. First, we've talked about,
you know, Tua can't stay healthy. If he can't stay healthy,
the splits between him healthy and not healthy are drastically
different as far as their wins and what they are
(03:19):
as a football team. A Sante Samuel Senior, though, he
was on the Say What Needs to Be Said podcast
recently and had this to say about the Miami organization.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Dolphins had no reason to trade Jaysonen Ramsey other than
that's sensitive. There's no leadership in the Dolphins organization. Mike
McDaniels is a pushover Chris Brea, the general manager. He
has no backbone. These guys over here to Miama Dolphins.
They are running this team like a little league team.
(03:52):
No one can stand up to the players. They're terrified
of their own players, and they have no control over
their players.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
So that from A Santa Samuel Senior talking about the
Dolphins organization. What makes us interesting is that a Sante
Samuel Junior was a potential free agent target for the
Dolphins and then this stuff came out. So I'm not
sure how he feels about that, but nice little rip
(04:22):
job of everything going out of Miami there.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I mean, you did kind of swap him out and
lose a player. I mean the tight end. John u
was in the top five in stats average yeards in
a game. Here's a Pro Bowl last year, his best year. Yes,
so you get rid of him, then you get rid
(04:46):
of Jalen Ramsey for Mika Fitzpatrick. If my math is correct,
I mean, Lee, you might want to look this one up.
How far apart in age is Jalen Ramsey and Minka Fitzpas.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I'm gonna guess two years, two to three years? Maybe
maybe I think is there enough of an age gap
between minca and it's two years?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Two years? Is that enough of an age gap where
you'd say we're going to get rid of an aging
Jalen Ramsey for a is who's older Jalen by two
more years? Okay, for two years younger Minka Fitzpatrick that
played they play one play safety, one plays corner, but
(05:35):
one could potentially play safety. If he can transition to
playing safety, does that make sense as a trade swap?
It would make you question why you did it.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Look, we talked with Albert Breer last week and I
just asked him straight up, like, hey man, what are
they doing?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
What's the plan?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Because you look at the Dolphins direction sort of what's
going on there? And his he's like, yeah, they don't
want to they don't want to say it, but they're.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
It's the rebuilt. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
They's like they tried to go at it from a
standpoint of we've got a quarterback on a rookie contract.
There's a window. We're going to try to go for it.
But to hasn't been able to stay healthy and it
just hasn't worked. And there were some other reports that
came out this offseason that some of the veterans were
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growing tired of Mike McDaniel, that it had kind of
run its course. And so when you hear this, you
know he's talking about you know, McDaniel's got you know,
a pushover, no backbone, et cetera, et cetera. I do
wonder if there's more of that going on because the
Tyreek Hills situation, him not wanting to be there, and
then he does want to be there, and then he's
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gonna all of a sudden he loves being with the
organization and being with the team. John Whu Smith wanted
to stay in Miami. They couldn't get that done. Chris
Greer openly talking months in advance about when he to
trade Jalen Ramsey. Last I checked, if you're trying to
deal somebody, don't let everybody else know you're trying to
deal them. You want to get the best offer you can.
And he's out there just openly talking about like, oh, yeah,
(07:10):
we're gonna be We decide we're gonna move on and
hopefully we'll get a deal done. We expect to get
a deal done, and that's the deal they ended up with.
It just feels like the honeymoon's over and the reality
is this team's starting to look less and less in
comparison to where they were the past couple of years.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I find it interesting the points of Sante Samuel Mayor
made about the being scared or not having a level
of control. There are a lot of hipster head coaches
in the league anymore, and it was they were created
by the Shanahan coaching tree, Like Kyle Shanahan is like
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the number one hipster coach. Then you got a Mike
McVay hipster coach. Then you gotta then you gotta Mike
McDaniel hipster coach. You got hipster coaches in the league.
It's because they're not fat. It's not because they're not fat,
it's that they're hipsters. Like they have a hipster look
about them, Like if you look up what a hipster
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looks like, that's what they look like. And so to me,
at some point, if if you don't get the support
and if you don't get that respect from those players,
how are they handling the relationship between one another? And
I think it's Sante Samuels raises a valid point, a
(08:35):
valid question. If you start to see emotions bubble up
about you that aren't necessarily positive and there's no real
recourse you can take against your players when you have
that type of physical stature, what do you do. You
(08:56):
got to find the root of the problem, and you
got deleted because if you let that spread and if
you let it continue to grow, and then now it's
like wait, hold on, everybody's been spoiled or it has
been poisoned. The well has been poisoned by this one
person that just doesn't seem to look at me in
(09:17):
the way that I need him to look at me.
You got to get rid of them, and that might
be what took place with you. Jalen Ramsey is a
very very dominant, a very very strong, masculine type of personality.
I don't know him. I've never spoken with him. I've
seen a lot of interviews on him, and it gives
(09:37):
me he has a intimidating type of personality.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Old school maybe maybe, because I do wonder if.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
That could that could be light nail on the head.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Because look, they hired the contrast of what Brian Flores
was as a head coach because people can't handle it.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, And they didn't like the way that he hand
the to a situation which there's a lot of great
minds on this.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And I wonder if they overcorrect overcorrected themselves to a
point to where they went too soft.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yeah, they went somebody was here's the spectrum of old
school coach, and then now you went opposite spectrum with
new school coach. He is a new school coach.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
And a guy whose main priority was I need to
get our quarterback who was drafted number five overall to
feeling good about himself again. And maybe they did. And
maybe yeah, and it didn't, but maybe they did. Maybe
that came at the cost of some other people in
the locker room.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Maybe it came at a cost of if you can't
get past a certain point, a certain threshold, some of
these grown ass men are going to call it out.
I don't know what goes on behind closed doors. They
did do a hard knocks with them. You did get
(10:59):
an opportunity unity to see some of the proclivities of
the head coach and others. What really goes on behind
closed doors in locker rooms these days, that locker room
in particular, I don't really know. I just know the
mentality of football players is that of even though the
(11:20):
game isn't as brutal as it once was, it is
still a warrior sport. You are a warrior, you are
a trooper. And I know people get offended. Don't compare,
don't compare football in sports to soldiers, and that I do.
I do. I call players that have retired civilians, they
(11:42):
have now become civilians and when you're playing your active duty.
In fact, if you foul for it, when you're done
playing ball, you get active duty benefits as an NFL VET,
So I do liking them to warriors, and I do
liking them to So if that offends you, I don't care.
(12:03):
At the end of the day, when you have that
mentality that you got to take onto the field where
it's you versus me, and there is the mental aspect
of it, but there's also the physical aspect of it
that has to play out. There is a different mentality
from position to position. It gets more intense the closer
you get to the ball. They're more touched. Now outside
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they're touched in a very selfish way. Receivers corners, they're
very selfish people. They're wired selfishly. They speak their mind,
they say what they want to say. Because they're on islands,
they're by themselves. Whatever that receiver does, his success hinges
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off of his ability to get open or to catch
the ball under any circumstances. If it comes near me,
I gotta get it. If I'm a corner, I am
by myself and I have to cover this man, and
I have to make sure that I don't give up
a big explosive play that can impact this game by
yourself running yards, covering yards upon yards. The closer you get,
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it's just we right here, lineman, d linemen, we right here.
The minute that ball is snaped, there will be blood,
there will be contact. I'm going to test my agility.
I'm going to test my strength, my technique, my skill,
all these different things. I'm testing that right now. Then
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you have it and it moves a little bit back
to the linebackers. It's kind of the same. It's like,
but I have two brothers with me, or one right,
I have one to the left of me. I have
one to the right of me, and we handle this
as backing the lineman, but we're also helping the corners
and the safeties. So to me, when you look at
(13:53):
what you have to deal with in a locker room,
the personalities that you're gonna best get along with are
the quarterbacks because they don't have to really do much,
but they do the most. It's weird, yeah, but they
don't have they don't. You don't have all of that
that mental fortitude of we gotta go to war like
(14:13):
we're going to battle, like let's go get this. Quarterbacks
are more cerebral. More often than not, they're going to
be more lighthearted. Some are very serious. Some are very
very fat driven or or whatever it structure driven. That's
what they brought Mike McDaniel in for. You said it.
You said it perfectly. They brought Mike McDaniel in to
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be able.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
To crack the code, fix our guy on on to A,
make him, make him whole again.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
But you lost. You might have not have taken into
account what that type of personality that builds Tua up.
Jalen Ramsey doesn't need that soft hand approach. This guy
over here, Toop Robinson doesn't need that offhand approach. You
know you had a big, big, big dog last year
(15:05):
on the offensive defensive line. Does he probably just Caleus Campbell.
You don't need that. Tarik Hill doesn't need to be
handled with kid gloves. I would assume Tooa doesn't. He
played for Nick Saban. But that's what you chose to
go with. And if that's what you chose to go with,
are you sacrificing based off of what I can hear
(15:27):
from a Sante Samuel SR Are you sacrificing the whole
of the team in terms of being able to accomplish
because your personality makeup fits perfectly with the quarterback, but
maybe not everybody else on the team.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
And also, like you look at Mike McDaniels and he's
five games over five hundred. He's had a good run there,
like he has. I mean, their their competitive again. Win
two is healthy, but when you start to look at
the moves they've made and the moving on from Jalen
Ramsey and the moving on from john Us Smith and
bringing in Mika Fitzpatrick and all this stuff, and Albert
(16:03):
Breer lays it out and says, well, you know, maybe
this is you know, more they don't want to say this,
but maybe this is more of a rebuild, and you
just start to take a look, take a step back.
I mean, if they're a sub five hundred team this year,
Mike McDaniel's probably going to get the acts like that's
probably how this is going to go. And people could say, yeah,
(16:23):
but you know he's got a winning record and you
know it's not his fault to it can't stay healthy, right,
But we've seen it before. Chip Kelly was you know,
five games over five hundred and got clipped by Philly
because they could just feel the tide turning in the organization.
Matt Naggi was had a winning record as Bears head coach,
went to two playoff appearance, had two playoff appearances. Still
(16:46):
they moved on because I think that people on the
outside get a good read on what the vibe is
inside the locker room, and if they can feel it turning,
why wait any longer. You've got to make a move.
And I just wonder if there's people there that are like,
hey man, this thing's starting to turn ugly, Like it's
starting to turn ugly. Those reports coming out as Sante
(17:07):
Samuel basically ripping the organization when they're looking at his
son trying to sign his son who's a free agent.
This just feels like it's going sideways.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Man.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
It was cute. While it was cute. It was cute.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Remember, and by the way you said this in kind
of a joking fashion, the tone of Mike McDaniel changed.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
It had to change his look everything. If you look
at what he was early on as a head coach
versus what he is now, it had to change. It
had to be a more aggressive looking Mike McDaniels, a
more tougher looking Mike McDaniels. McDaniel, it had to change.
The way he talked changed when we were making fun
(17:49):
of when I was making fun of him the one year.
From that year to the next year, I was like, Oh,
he changed the way he talks. And the only reason
why I recognize is because I was making fund of
the way he was talking the year before. It kind
of ruined your impression a year prior. They'd be like, Mike,
what did you see out there? He'd be like, well,
(18:12):
they had a defense that was ready for our offense,
and well, we really weren't able to figure it out
during the game. I guess we'll go back and we'll
look at the film and we'll see what what needs
to be done. Then he comes back to net year,
(18:33):
He's like, well, I mean they really beat our ass
this day, and I mean we really I really don't
know what what what happened today, But I think we're
going to go back and we're going to look at
the film and we're gonna make sure that we make
the proper adjustments that we need to make.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Like it just did you if you just he was
so much better off when he sounded like a pothead
it's basically the whole world.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
I mean, I thought he was the kid that got
sent to the principal's office and was explaining to the principle.
But I mean high is is that? I mean that
might fit as well? Maybe might it might fit? It
is the uh is the Herd.
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Speaker 3 (20:18):
Whoo, it's a Herd Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas
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now we turn it over to the man who covers
college football as well as anybody on the planet. He
(20:40):
is none other than Bruce Feldman of The Athletic, also
of Fox. You see him during Big New Kickoff throughout
the course of the season. Best selling author, you can
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slash afternoon.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
How are we feeling doing good?
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Actually at Big twelve Media Days check, just ran into
a guy I think you guys know very well, partner,
Brady quint Oh.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Okay, figure look at that. Tell them we said hello,
I was telling you miss him? Yes, please do. There's
a lot of people missing him, such social so what
can you tell us here?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Just in looking at this whole story that's broken in
college football when it comes to Texas Tech and the
recruitment of Felix Ojo. What can you tell us about
how this all started and sort of where we're at
because we're seeing different reports of what the actual contract is.
Saw the five point one and then it was two
(21:45):
million and change. What do you know of the deal
thus far?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Yeah, So the story broke on July fourth, and I
was I was offline. I was with my family on
the holiday, and then the next morning, so my college
at the Athletic we were trying to confirm that what
was reported for five point one million dollars for three
years and ended up making a bunch of calls and
talking to people at Texas Tech who were who would know,
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and myself and my two colleagues. We had talked to
several people in the process and they said, actually the
figure is for seven seventy five each year for three years,
and it's not the five point one. Now, there was
a caveat to that, which was that if things change
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in the revenue sharing model, or if there's a lot
of deregulation, then maybe.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
It can get up in a.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Five million range. But the deal right now is for
what we were reported at the athletic, which was three
years at seven seventy five per We had talked to
the agent involved, and the agent had said, no, it's
five point one. But when we had asked for some
(22:59):
confirmation of that, if he declined to offer that, and
so based on what we know and what we could
confirm that it was significantly less than what we're imported
on Friday.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
I have so many questions. Let's start here with the agent.
You got to believe the agent is trying to push
that number to the figure that he's pushing it to
because they have no intentions of staying at Texas Tech. Correct.
The idea that is is if we can say we
got to guarantee three year contract that that totals out
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to the five million range, then if we're coming here,
you got to be in that. You got to be
in that parameter or within that realm of compensation for
us to even consider coming to your school. That's what
I would assume would be the priority of the agent
represented these college athletes at this point. I mean, would
that be safe to say.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Well, I think the LaVar I think on what's going
on here is you know the agent who you probably
you know either were you coorted by, you know, going
into the NFL or work created. I think those are
you know, a lot of them are. They're certified agents,
and it was a different landscape than what we have now.
There's a lot of nil agents who aren't certified by anybody,
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and they're trying to get established. And so you'll see
a lot of times on social media, whether it's on
Twitter or whatnot or Instagram, you'll see the people credit
and just say so and so told me, and they'll
reference the agent and maybe they'll even include their Twitter handle,
and it's a way for them to build that person's
(24:36):
brand and help them kind of get established. But also
it is a way for that agent to try to
set the market or reset the market because most people,
you know, I'm hearing at the Big twelve and the
other schools have no idea how much Texas Tech really
probably is on the hook to pay. But they just
(24:58):
think maybe happens is the first dollar figure that's put
out there that people see on social media, that's the
one everybody ends up running with, and especially if it's
the biggest one. So now it's like that's the one
gets passed around. Well, is that the going rate for
a five star offensive lineman five point one million for
three years or is it what they are actually you know,
(25:20):
on the hook for so I think.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
That'd be the easy answer. The easy answer to that
is it can't be the going rate because nobody does it.
You can't project out to year three, nobody does it.
And and let me just ask this before I turn
back over you Jones. But in terms of guarantees, like
and hearing that that guarantee figure being a part of
(25:42):
the conversation, I mean, what type of language, Because I
was just saying during the break, if my kid, which
he got, offered more money from other schools than the
school he ended up going to. But if my if
they offered a guaranteed contract to my kid, you can't
put language in there buying him to a contract where
he has to stay there for the entire time. And
(26:04):
if you did, we wouldn't take that contract. There would
be no reason to accept a guarantee contract for three
years if you're saying you have to be here for
three years because we don't know what the circumstances hold
for him or your school during the course of that time.
But I want the money guarantee. If I'm a parent
or I'm an agent, I want to guarantee. Has there
(26:24):
been any conversation surrounding that? If he were to go
into the transfer portal having a guarantee contract for three years,
what happens then? Do they sue him? Do they sue
the school? They do they what recourse is in place
if you do a three year, three year deal, because
no one's ever done a three year guaranteed.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Deal right and there is I don't think there is
any guarantee, you know, in the true word guarantee, true
sense of it. I think that sounded good when he's
probably told the reporter as such, But right now there's
nothing that can be signed anyway because of the way
all of this is set up. You can't have a
signed contract right now that specifically would be against any
(27:07):
kind of rules of that. And so there's that. Then
there's the other part of it, when you can say
who cansue?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
You can sue.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Anybody, and you know in the country, you know it
doesn't mean you're going to win, but I'm sure there'll
be potential for lawsuits. But think about it this way.
If you're uh, And I've had these reasons. The football
coach in the STATEY like if there if somebody's going
to lead to go to a different school, let's say
you know that's that's the second he wants to go
to Texas. Well, if you're a football coach, you want
(27:35):
to do you got to pay a buyout or you know,
if it's a contract, you have to get out of it,
and there's financial penalties that are often with that. And
so this thing is so different than I think the
contracts you probably add in the NFL or the contracts
that we see typically in pro sports, because you know,
(27:56):
you got to remember all of that after we see
your son puts in a suit. They're not employees, you
know that sachers are employees with college athletes right now
are not. They're not deeming that now. Maybe at some
point they'll get to that designation, but it's not right now.
So we're in I mean, it's still such a messy
situation all the way around.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Bruce Feldman joining us here on the Herd here Fox
Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. You know,
it's not like, oh, Jo's the only one this week
especially for Texas Tech. You've got Ashton Rowden, who's the
four star cornerback or a four star running back. You've
got the four star cornerback in Donovan Webb. There's also
speculation that they're looking at Cooper Hacket, who's a five
(28:38):
star offensive tackle in the twenty twenty seven class. What
is the vibe there about Texas Tech at Big twelve
media days from people you talk to? Are they giving
them kind of the side eye? Are they looking at
it saying, hey, fair play. They figured this thing out
and they're going out and they're spending and they're getting
some of these top recruits.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
It's next.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
It's funny, like we sent these conversations. Were a couple
of coaches here. On one hand, one of them said, hey,
you know, I'm good for them if they can, if
they have it like that, I wish I had that situation.
Another coach was much more. He was like, I think
it's asinine how this is set up, and I don't
think that it's going to work this way, and wondered
(29:18):
that it just didn't see it as a sustainable model.
It's no, you know, like, I think it's great in
one sense if you're a fan of this school, You're like,
oh my god, we're beating Texas and we're beating Oklahoma,
and we're beating LSU for recruits. We never would have
beaten them before, you know. And so there's that. But
(29:38):
you know, I get why coaches who were actually in
the business in the middle of this and know it
and know what it's like to have a locker room
and to try to maintain a locker room. It's like
it's unsustainable. And so it's a fascinating experiment that's going on.
And love it's for sure right.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Now, there's so much that is on. It's just not
structured and and how can you have it structured when
you've never been here before and you don't have any
comps to be able to do it? And you mentioned
the whole employee deal, it's still not pay for play
like that is very, very prominent in how the language
(30:16):
is used as opposed to, you know, what is taking
place at the college level. So if you are not
a pay to play person, can you do that? Can you?
And I don't want to put you on a spot
if you don't have the information, that's fine, But I'm
just curious in terms of language, the house settlement versus
(30:37):
the NCAA versus nil. It has to maintain being nil
specific or you're turning them into paid employees if it's
just the university paying them. So when we talk about
the rev share payment of the twenty million that's capped
to pay these teams and where that money comes from,
(31:00):
how it's given to the athletes, what is the difference
now with that house settlement between the money that is
given from the revenue sharing and the nil. So say
it's like the collectives that are paying them an X
amount of dollars for or they're getting nil deals, you know,
(31:20):
with different companies, whatever it may be. Is there a
distinct difference between that house settlement revenue and the nil
and how these these athletes are getting paid for nil deals.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
It depends on who you talk to. Certain schools say
it's not. Another school say it has to be. And
what you've seen is a lot of places and teams
and we're just talking about one of them, the most
prominent one. Now they have frontloaded their rosters and I
think you're seeing a lot of that go on where
teams are gonna have budgets of forty five and fifty
(31:56):
and fifty two and as high as fifty five million dollars.
Now you're telling me, all of a sudden, a year
from now, they're going to drop down less than half
of that. You know, we all know we worked around
sports and long enough, that's not the direction it ever
goes in. So and we also know that there's always
workarounds when it comes to college sports, whether it's a
(32:17):
bag man, whether it's a bag of McDonald's that's fulling cash.
The way that people have gained the system, why would
we think it's not going to happen with a lot
of these schools.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
And you forgot car in the parking lot at the airport,
you know.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Bruce from somebody for somebody that covers college football. I
was making the joke, and I was half kidding yesterday
that it just it was so much easier when this
stuff was illegal, because we could just focus on, all right,
who's got the top recruiting class? However they got it,
they got it, but you you had the usual suspects.
And now you've got schools like Texas Tech who all
of a sudden, like, oh wait a second, like we
could be a part of this dance as well too.
(32:56):
I just I don't know how it lands with you,
but it feels like there's a lot of unanswered questions
and I just don't know when we're going to get
to the end where this is what it is, these
are the parameters and let's just focus on college football
and college football alone again.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Yeah, and for me, I mean that's kind of where
I land on it. It's like, all right, show me
who's going to be on the field, and we're going
to well, like I, you know, I don't have a
dog in the fight, you know where I just want
to see you. I still love the games, but like
you know, right now, it's just I've been around long
enough to know that there's always workarounds and there's always
(33:36):
people who will work in the margins. And it's different
than the NFL, where you know, you get on as
draft picks or fine if you have too physical a
practice or whatever they you know. But at some point
I think college football will get to a you know,
collective bargaining, but they're not there right now. And right now,
(33:58):
I think it's still going to be the wow. Well,
even if they try to pretend it's not, this is
this is the reality, and this is how they operate, isn't.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
There isn't there a governing body? Just real quick that
they're they when they did the settlement that they get
to or like a clearinghouse that they make sure it's
kind of telling you right. They can kill a deal
and say you're not supposed to get that kid. The
value of what you're paying him does not match what
it is that the kid is doing. Where does where
(34:28):
does that fall in? Where is that used?
Speaker 6 (34:32):
I I We're going to see how that plays out,
because you also have to get the cooperation from all
these ni L agents to put them the paperwork. Are
they really going to all do that? What are they?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
You know?
Speaker 6 (34:43):
I just think there's a lot of things when it
comes to Deloitte, who's going to be the accounting from
that's going to be involved with this, and the mL
former MLB executive who's now you know, kind of the
top top of this. I believe it when I see it,
just because we've seen I'm talking to too many coaches
who are just kind of like rolled up their sleeves
and are like, oh, yeah, this is going to be
(35:03):
a mess because they know that's the you know, it's
not like the people involved they're not different. There's just
more middle men involved and there's just more more rules
to kind of navigate for circumvent if we want to
look at it.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Bruce Feldman, Fox College Football Reporter Part one, Bruce Analysts
Part one, Financial.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Guru, Now a lot of meat on it.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Also read his stuff on the Athletic Get him on
ex at Bruce Veldman CFB Live from Big twelve Media Days.
Bruce always appreciate it, man, thanks so much and hope
to do it again.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Appreciate you, buddy, Yes, sir, take care alrighty, there is
Bruce Flman with us here. So much to discuss. Man.
The rabbit hole is such a deep rabbit hole, man,
and it's dark. I'm telling you, it's a dark rabbit hole.
This is going to get I see it getting ugly
before it gets better. There's a whole lot to work
(36:02):
through with already pulling the trigger on allowing this this
type of funds to go out and and somebody who
brings them funds to the table. It's just it's so much,
so much to it, and I've been you know, I've
been immersed in this for since it's happened. Jonas like
I've I've been connected to it and in several different
(36:22):
manners and capacities, and it is so confusing. It's so
even having it organized and understood, it's still very confusing.
And if it's confusing to people who are really really
in it and learning it and using it, then you
(36:43):
got to believe that everybody else is in the same
in the same uh situation. You know, It's it's not
very easily to understand because there are a lot of
things that are not in place that need to be
in place. Structurally speaking, there is not an infrastruy structure
in place where the current state of college athletics can
(37:06):
thrive and be successful in something's going to happen. It's
like trying to run a website. A web page that
isn't programmed the right way, it's going to crash and
you're going to lose all of the data and everything
that's connected to it. That's kind of what the NCAA
or what college sports is on that that trajectory right now,
it's going to crash. It is the Herd.
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Stretch marks. I was trying, what was that censor myself? There?
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Speaker 4 (38:37):
Rye music. Yeah, what's going on? LeVar?
Speaker 7 (38:40):
Was that that was self theory that song was Jonas's band, right,
good mom?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, yeah, I got, I got off the track. Yeah,
I got, I got off the tracks. I was I
was shooting it and I got caught off the tracks.
And both of you guys clearly seemed like you were more.
All three of you guys were mortified by mine, you know,
jumping on the beat like that. I'm so sorry. What
saw is that?
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Johnson?
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Oh my gosh, he said more stretch marks. My bad.
I'll just just quote and you know that was my
people from Goodie Mob. I did see that CD and
hot topic, dang.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
What's not a stretch is to say that the Raiders
have had their struggles over the years, Okay, only one
winning in the last eight years, but things are different
under new head coach Pete Carroll, their star pass rusher
Max Crosby saying those changes are already in place and
this is what Carroll has gotten accomplished in Vegas. Quote,
(39:42):
it's not fake energy, and it's not just him, it's
the assistant coaches, the whole building. It just feels different,
telling you, man.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
How can you say it fake? You tried to be
when you've been in BS for so long, you lose
sight of what you and what's fake. I gotta see
it first. Every year I thought it was real in
Washington here, every year it was real. This is the
year new head coach coaches feel good, new coach staff
(40:14):
next year. This feels good. I feel great about it.
We're gonna make a run, new coaching staff next year.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Now, man, I'm just saying the Raiders, I said yesterday,
are gonna be the most feel good last place team.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
That pule pump that pole, humps I won't that pole
right there? You see that one right there in front
of us. Now ten good ones on that itch. The
Raiders don't make the play. You're gonna try to hump
a pole. You gotta make it. You gotta make it
sway now that one right there. Then, then don't don't
say you believe it.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I believe they're the most hopeful last place team in
the NFL. They're gonna feel of all the last place
teams in the NFL next year, the Raiders are gonna
feel the best about them.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
So that's more breaking news than what was just stated
about Max Crosby. How this I am? That's breaking news?
What's your prom Max Crosby and PK. I love Max Crosby,
I just don't love this greater situation. I don't love
Max Crosby in the situation that he's as damn. I'm
just saying, I gotta wait and see it, try my best.
(41:17):
It feels different, all right, Let's go to break that
feels good.
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begin hour two of the program, what up Stakes.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
One?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
That's a dope. That's a dope intro song, you know,
And that's the cow heard intro song that's right for
the show that we need to find somebody to Oh,
we do have one. We do have one there, man,
our buddy, what is it?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Lee Corvalis made us a couple of them, like a
fifties diner edition.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I really like it. Two pros. You know what movie
that's from, and you know what they were doing. Okay,
that's more commonplace these days. You know what movie, No,
it's a good guess. Come on, come on, movie, I
could tell you it's super simple, super easy. We know
you watch movies from the eighties. If you if you
(01:45):
got this this right, music on, try Lee a Lee,
you're a movie blow hard. The name of the restaurant
was called the Blue Oyster. Did I get that one right?
Blue Oyster? There you go? Police? Are you go? You
remember every time you go in there? That would be
the song that would play every single time they fall
(02:06):
in there? You see dudes with chaps on, and that's it.
Damn the little collars, the dog collar of the rocket.
Why do I remember this? All right? I might be
incriminating myself. I'm right, I put myself out there, but
I do remember the Blue Oyster from Police Academy movies
because of that song in particular. By the way, yeah, yeah,
(02:29):
there you go.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Now do you remember when the Miami Dolphins were good?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Do you remember that? Let's see Larry Zonka, Mark Duper,
uh well Duper was with Damn Marino, which they were
good then too. They just couldn't win the Super Bowl.
Let's see who else was who else was there. Don
Shula was the coach. Anyways, Yeah, it's been a while. Yeah,
(02:57):
I mean listening.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
They've had uh you know, Williams was there, Dave Wantstat
was there. They've had some runs here. In the most
recent run you would look at and go, well, it
made a couple of playoff appearances. First, we've talked about,
you know, Tua can't stay healthy. If he can't stay healthy,
the splits between him healthy and not healthy are drastically
different as far as their wins and what they are
(03:19):
as a football team. A Sante Samuel Senior, though, he
was on the Say What Needs to Be Said podcast
recently and had this to say about the Miami organization.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Dolphins had no reason to trade Jaysonen Ramsey other than
that's sensitive. There's no leadership in the Dolphins organization. Mike
McDaniels is a pushover Chris Brea, the general manager. He
has no backbone. These guys over here to Miama Dolphins.
They are running this team like a little league team.
(03:52):
No one can stand up to the players. They're terrified
of their own players, and they have no control over
their players.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
So that from A Santa Samuel Senior talking about the
Dolphins organization. What makes us interesting is that a Sante
Samuel Junior was a potential free agent target for the
Dolphins and then this stuff came out. So I'm not
sure how he feels about that, but nice little rip
(04:22):
job of everything going out of Miami there.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I mean, you did kind of swap him out and
lose a player. I mean the tight end. John u
was in the top five in stats average yeards in
a game. Here's a Pro Bowl last year, his best year. Yes,
so you get rid of him, then you get rid
(04:46):
of Jalen Ramsey for Mika Fitzpatrick. If my math is correct,
I mean, Lee, you might want to look this one up.
How far apart in age is Jalen Ramsey and Minka Fitzpas.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I'm gonna guess two years, two to three years? Maybe
maybe I think is there enough of an age gap
between minca and it's two years?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Two years? Is that enough of an age gap where
you'd say we're going to get rid of an aging
Jalen Ramsey for a is who's older Jalen by two
more years? Okay, for two years younger Minka Fitzpatrick that
played they play one play safety, one plays corner, but
(05:35):
one could potentially play safety. If he can transition to
playing safety, does that make sense as a trade swap?
It would make you question why you did it.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Look, we talked with Albert Breer last week and I
just asked him straight up, like, hey man, what are
they doing?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
What's the plan?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Because you look at the Dolphins direction sort of what's
going on there? And his he's like, yeah, they don't
want to they don't want to say it, but they're.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
It's the rebuilt. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
They's like they tried to go at it from a
standpoint of we've got a quarterback on a rookie contract.
There's a window. We're going to try to go for it.
But to hasn't been able to stay healthy and it
just hasn't worked. And there were some other reports that
came out this offseason that some of the veterans were
(06:27):
growing tired of Mike McDaniel, that it had kind of
run its course. And so when you hear this, you
know he's talking about you know, McDaniel's got you know,
a pushover, no backbone, et cetera, et cetera. I do
wonder if there's more of that going on because the
Tyreek Hills situation, him not wanting to be there, and
then he does want to be there, and then he's
(06:49):
gonna all of a sudden he loves being with the
organization and being with the team. John Whu Smith wanted
to stay in Miami. They couldn't get that done. Chris
Greer openly talking months in advance about when he to
trade Jalen Ramsey. Last I checked, if you're trying to
deal somebody, don't let everybody else know you're trying to
deal them. You want to get the best offer you can.
And he's out there just openly talking about like, oh, yeah,
(07:10):
we're gonna be We decide we're gonna move on and
hopefully we'll get a deal done. We expect to get
a deal done, and that's the deal they ended up with.
It just feels like the honeymoon's over and the reality
is this team's starting to look less and less in
comparison to where they were the past couple of years.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I find it interesting the points of Sante Samuel Mayor
made about the being scared or not having a level
of control. There are a lot of hipster head coaches
in the league anymore, and it was they were created
by the Shanahan coaching tree, Like Kyle Shanahan is like
(07:51):
the number one hipster coach. Then you got a Mike
McVay hipster coach. Then you gotta then you gotta Mike
McDaniel hipster coach. You got hipster coaches in the league.
It's because they're not fat. It's not because they're not fat,
it's that they're hipsters. Like they have a hipster look
about them, Like if you look up what a hipster
(08:14):
looks like, that's what they look like. And so to me,
at some point, if if you don't get the support
and if you don't get that respect from those players,
how are they handling the relationship between one another? And
I think it's Sante Samuels raises a valid point, a
(08:35):
valid question. If you start to see emotions bubble up
about you that aren't necessarily positive and there's no real
recourse you can take against your players when you have
that type of physical stature, what do you do. You
(08:56):
got to find the root of the problem, and you
got deleted because if you let that spread and if
you let it continue to grow, and then now it's
like wait, hold on, everybody's been spoiled or it has
been poisoned. The well has been poisoned by this one
person that just doesn't seem to look at me in
(09:17):
the way that I need him to look at me.
You got to get rid of them, and that might
be what took place with you. Jalen Ramsey is a
very very dominant, a very very strong, masculine type of personality.
I don't know him. I've never spoken with him. I've
seen a lot of interviews on him, and it gives
(09:37):
me he has a intimidating type of personality.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Old school maybe maybe, because I do wonder if.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
That could that could be light nail on the head.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Because look, they hired the contrast of what Brian Flores
was as a head coach because people can't handle it.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, And they didn't like the way that he hand
the to a situation which there's a lot of great
minds on this.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And I wonder if they overcorrect overcorrected themselves to a
point to where they went too soft.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yeah, they went somebody was here's the spectrum of old
school coach, and then now you went opposite spectrum with
new school coach. He is a new school coach.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
And a guy whose main priority was I need to
get our quarterback who was drafted number five overall to
feeling good about himself again. And maybe they did. And
maybe yeah, and it didn't, but maybe they did. Maybe
that came at the cost of some other people in
the locker room.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Maybe it came at a cost of if you can't
get past a certain point, a certain threshold, some of
these grown ass men are going to call it out.
I don't know what goes on behind closed doors. They
did do a hard knocks with them. You did get
(10:59):
an opportunity unity to see some of the proclivities of
the head coach and others. What really goes on behind
closed doors in locker rooms these days, that locker room
in particular, I don't really know. I just know the
mentality of football players is that of even though the
(11:20):
game isn't as brutal as it once was, it is
still a warrior sport. You are a warrior, you are
a trooper. And I know people get offended. Don't compare,
don't compare football in sports to soldiers, and that I do.
I do. I call players that have retired civilians, they
(11:42):
have now become civilians and when you're playing your active duty.
In fact, if you foul for it, when you're done
playing ball, you get active duty benefits as an NFL VET,
So I do liking them to warriors, and I do
liking them to So if that offends you, I don't care.
(12:03):
At the end of the day, when you have that
mentality that you got to take onto the field where
it's you versus me, and there is the mental aspect
of it, but there's also the physical aspect of it
that has to play out. There is a different mentality
from position to position. It gets more intense the closer
you get to the ball. They're more touched. Now outside
(12:27):
they're touched in a very selfish way. Receivers corners, they're
very selfish people. They're wired selfishly. They speak their mind,
they say what they want to say. Because they're on islands,
they're by themselves. Whatever that receiver does, his success hinges
(12:48):
off of his ability to get open or to catch
the ball under any circumstances. If it comes near me,
I gotta get it. If I'm a corner, I am
by myself and I have to cover this man, and
I have to make sure that I don't give up
a big explosive play that can impact this game by
yourself running yards, covering yards upon yards. The closer you get,
(13:12):
it's just we right here, lineman, d linemen, we right here.
The minute that ball is snaped, there will be blood,
there will be contact. I'm going to test my agility.
I'm going to test my strength, my technique, my skill,
all these different things. I'm testing that right now. Then
(13:32):
you have it and it moves a little bit back
to the linebackers. It's kind of the same. It's like,
but I have two brothers with me, or one right,
I have one to the left of me. I have
one to the right of me, and we handle this
as backing the lineman, but we're also helping the corners
and the safeties. So to me, when you look at
(13:53):
what you have to deal with in a locker room,
the personalities that you're gonna best get along with are
the quarterbacks because they don't have to really do much,
but they do the most. It's weird, yeah, but they
don't have they don't. You don't have all of that
that mental fortitude of we gotta go to war like
(14:13):
we're going to battle, like let's go get this. Quarterbacks
are more cerebral. More often than not, they're going to
be more lighthearted. Some are very serious. Some are very
very fat driven or or whatever it structure driven. That's
what they brought Mike McDaniel in for. You said it.
You said it perfectly. They brought Mike McDaniel in to
(14:37):
be able.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
To crack the code, fix our guy on on to A,
make him, make him whole again.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
But you lost. You might have not have taken into
account what that type of personality that builds Tua up.
Jalen Ramsey doesn't need that soft hand approach. This guy
over here, Toop Robinson doesn't need that offhand approach. You
know you had a big, big, big dog last year
(15:05):
on the offensive defensive line. Does he probably just Caleus Campbell.
You don't need that. Tarik Hill doesn't need to be
handled with kid gloves. I would assume Tooa doesn't. He
played for Nick Saban. But that's what you chose to
go with. And if that's what you chose to go with,
are you sacrificing based off of what I can hear
(15:27):
from a Sante Samuel SR Are you sacrificing the whole
of the team in terms of being able to accomplish
because your personality makeup fits perfectly with the quarterback, but
maybe not everybody else on the team.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
And also, like you look at Mike McDaniels and he's
five games over five hundred. He's had a good run there,
like he has. I mean, their their competitive again. Win
two is healthy, but when you start to look at
the moves they've made and the moving on from Jalen
Ramsey and the moving on from john Us Smith and
bringing in Mika Fitzpatrick and all this stuff, and Albert
(16:03):
Breer lays it out and says, well, you know, maybe
this is you know, more they don't want to say this,
but maybe this is more of a rebuild, and you
just start to take a look, take a step back.
I mean, if they're a sub five hundred team this year,
Mike McDaniel's probably going to get the acts like that's
probably how this is going to go. And people could say, yeah,
(16:23):
but you know he's got a winning record and you
know it's not his fault to it can't stay healthy, right,
But we've seen it before. Chip Kelly was you know,
five games over five hundred and got clipped by Philly
because they could just feel the tide turning in the organization.
Matt Naggi was had a winning record as Bears head coach,
went to two playoff appearance, had two playoff appearances. Still
(16:46):
they moved on because I think that people on the
outside get a good read on what the vibe is
inside the locker room, and if they can feel it turning,
why wait any longer. You've got to make a move.
And I just wonder if there's people there that are like,
hey man, this thing's starting to turn ugly, Like it's
starting to turn ugly. Those reports coming out as Sante
(17:07):
Samuel basically ripping the organization when they're looking at his
son trying to sign his son who's a free agent.
This just feels like it's going sideways.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Man.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
It was cute. While it was cute. It was cute.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Remember, and by the way you said this in kind
of a joking fashion, the tone of Mike McDaniel changed.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
It had to change his look everything. If you look
at what he was early on as a head coach
versus what he is now, it had to change. It
had to be a more aggressive looking Mike McDaniels, a
more tougher looking Mike McDaniels. McDaniel, it had to change.
The way he talked changed when we were making fun
(17:49):
of when I was making fun of him the one year.
From that year to the next year, I was like, Oh,
he changed the way he talks. And the only reason
why I recognize is because I was making fund of
the way he was talking the year before. It kind
of ruined your impression a year prior. They'd be like, Mike,
what did you see out there? He'd be like, well,
(18:12):
they had a defense that was ready for our offense,
and well, we really weren't able to figure it out
during the game. I guess we'll go back and we'll
look at the film and we'll see what what needs
to be done. Then he comes back to net year,
(18:33):
He's like, well, I mean they really beat our ass
this day, and I mean we really I really don't
know what what what happened today, But I think we're
going to go back and we're going to look at
the film and we're gonna make sure that we make
the proper adjustments that we need to make.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Like it just did you if you just he was
so much better off when he sounded like a pothead
it's basically the whole world.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
I mean, I thought he was the kid that got
sent to the principal's office and was explaining to the principle.
But I mean high is is that? I mean that
might fit as well? Maybe might it might fit? It
is the uh is the Herd.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
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Speaker 3 (20:18):
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Knox in for Colin. Coming up in about twenty minutes
from now, we are going to have another edition of
the Herdline News for you here on FSR. But right
now we turn it over to the man who covers
college football as well as anybody on the planet. He
(20:40):
is none other than Bruce Feldman of The Athletic, also
of Fox. You see him during Big New Kickoff throughout
the course of the season. Best selling author, you can
get him on ex at Bruce Feldman CFB Bruce, Good Morning,
slash afternoon.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
How are we feeling doing good?
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Actually at Big twelve Media Days check, just ran into
a guy I think you guys know very well, partner,
Brady quint Oh.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Okay, figure look at that. Tell them we said hello,
I was telling you miss him? Yes, please do. There's
a lot of people missing him, such social so what
can you tell us here?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Just in looking at this whole story that's broken in
college football when it comes to Texas Tech and the
recruitment of Felix Ojo. What can you tell us about
how this all started and sort of where we're at
because we're seeing different reports of what the actual contract is.
Saw the five point one and then it was two
(21:45):
million and change. What do you know of the deal
thus far?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Yeah, So the story broke on July fourth, and I
was I was offline. I was with my family on
the holiday, and then the next morning, so my college
at the Athletic we were trying to confirm that what
was reported for five point one million dollars for three
years and ended up making a bunch of calls and
talking to people at Texas Tech who were who would know,
(22:11):
and myself and my two colleagues. We had talked to
several people in the process and they said, actually the
figure is for seven seventy five each year for three years,
and it's not the five point one. Now, there was
a caveat to that, which was that if things change
(22:32):
in the revenue sharing model, or if there's a lot
of deregulation, then maybe.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
It can get up in a.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Five million range. But the deal right now is for
what we were reported at the athletic, which was three
years at seven seventy five per We had talked to
the agent involved, and the agent had said, no, it's
five point one. But when we had asked for some
(22:59):
confirmation of that, if he declined to offer that, and
so based on what we know and what we could
confirm that it was significantly less than what we're imported
on Friday.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
I have so many questions. Let's start here with the agent.
You got to believe the agent is trying to push
that number to the figure that he's pushing it to
because they have no intentions of staying at Texas Tech. Correct.
The idea that is is if we can say we
got to guarantee three year contract that that totals out
(23:32):
to the five million range, then if we're coming here,
you got to be in that. You got to be
in that parameter or within that realm of compensation for
us to even consider coming to your school. That's what
I would assume would be the priority of the agent
represented these college athletes at this point. I mean, would
that be safe to say.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Well, I think the LaVar I think on what's going
on here is you know the agent who you probably
you know either were you coorted by, you know, going
into the NFL or work created. I think those are
you know, a lot of them are. They're certified agents,
and it was a different landscape than what we have now.
There's a lot of nil agents who aren't certified by anybody,
(24:14):
and they're trying to get established. And so you'll see
a lot of times on social media, whether it's on
Twitter or whatnot or Instagram, you'll see the people credit
and just say so and so told me, and they'll
reference the agent and maybe they'll even include their Twitter handle,
and it's a way for them to build that person's
(24:36):
brand and help them kind of get established. But also
it is a way for that agent to try to
set the market or reset the market because most people,
you know, I'm hearing at the Big twelve and the
other schools have no idea how much Texas Tech really
probably is on the hook to pay. But they just
(24:58):
think maybe happens is the first dollar figure that's put
out there that people see on social media, that's the
one everybody ends up running with, and especially if it's
the biggest one. So now it's like that's the one
gets passed around. Well, is that the going rate for
a five star offensive lineman five point one million for
three years or is it what they are actually you know,
(25:20):
on the hook for so I think.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
That'd be the easy answer. The easy answer to that
is it can't be the going rate because nobody does it.
You can't project out to year three, nobody does it.
And and let me just ask this before I turn
back over you Jones. But in terms of guarantees, like
and hearing that that guarantee figure being a part of
(25:42):
the conversation, I mean, what type of language, Because I
was just saying during the break, if my kid, which
he got, offered more money from other schools than the
school he ended up going to. But if my if
they offered a guaranteed contract to my kid, you can't
put language in there buying him to a contract where
he has to stay there for the entire time. And
(26:04):
if you did, we wouldn't take that contract. There would
be no reason to accept a guarantee contract for three
years if you're saying you have to be here for
three years because we don't know what the circumstances hold
for him or your school during the course of that time.
But I want the money guarantee. If I'm a parent
or I'm an agent, I want to guarantee. Has there
(26:24):
been any conversation surrounding that? If he were to go
into the transfer portal having a guarantee contract for three years,
what happens then? Do they sue him? Do they sue
the school? They do they what recourse is in place
if you do a three year, three year deal, because
no one's ever done a three year guaranteed.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Deal right and there is I don't think there is
any guarantee, you know, in the true word guarantee, true
sense of it. I think that sounded good when he's
probably told the reporter as such, But right now there's
nothing that can be signed anyway because of the way
all of this is set up. You can't have a
signed contract right now that specifically would be against any
(27:07):
kind of rules of that. And so there's that. Then
there's the other part of it, when you can say
who cansue?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
You can sue.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Anybody, and you know in the country, you know it
doesn't mean you're going to win, but I'm sure there'll
be potential for lawsuits. But think about it this way.
If you're uh, And I've had these reasons. The football
coach in the STATEY like if there if somebody's going
to lead to go to a different school, let's say
you know that's that's the second he wants to go
to Texas. Well, if you're a football coach, you want
(27:35):
to do you got to pay a buyout or you know,
if it's a contract, you have to get out of it,
and there's financial penalties that are often with that. And
so this thing is so different than I think the
contracts you probably add in the NFL or the contracts
that we see typically in pro sports, because you know,
(27:56):
you got to remember all of that after we see
your son puts in a suit. They're not employees, you
know that sachers are employees with college athletes right now
are not. They're not deeming that now. Maybe at some
point they'll get to that designation, but it's not right now.
So we're in I mean, it's still such a messy
situation all the way around.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Bruce Feldman joining us here on the Herd here Fox
Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. You know,
it's not like, oh, Jo's the only one this week
especially for Texas Tech. You've got Ashton Rowden, who's the
four star cornerback or a four star running back. You've
got the four star cornerback in Donovan Webb. There's also
speculation that they're looking at Cooper Hacket, who's a five
(28:38):
star offensive tackle in the twenty twenty seven class. What
is the vibe there about Texas Tech at Big twelve
media days from people you talk to? Are they giving
them kind of the side eye? Are they looking at
it saying, hey, fair play. They figured this thing out
and they're going out and they're spending and they're getting
some of these top recruits.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
It's next.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
It's funny, like we sent these conversations. Were a couple
of coaches here. On one hand, one of them said, hey,
you know, I'm good for them if they can, if
they have it like that, I wish I had that situation.
Another coach was much more. He was like, I think
it's asinine how this is set up, and I don't
think that it's going to work this way, and wondered
(29:18):
that it just didn't see it as a sustainable model.
It's no, you know, like, I think it's great in
one sense if you're a fan of this school, You're like,
oh my god, we're beating Texas and we're beating Oklahoma,
and we're beating LSU for recruits. We never would have
beaten them before, you know. And so there's that. But
(29:38):
you know, I get why coaches who were actually in
the business in the middle of this and know it
and know what it's like to have a locker room
and to try to maintain a locker room. It's like
it's unsustainable. And so it's a fascinating experiment that's going on.
And love it's for sure right.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Now, there's so much that is on. It's just not
structured and and how can you have it structured when
you've never been here before and you don't have any
comps to be able to do it? And you mentioned
the whole employee deal, it's still not pay for play
like that is very, very prominent in how the language
(30:16):
is used as opposed to, you know, what is taking
place at the college level. So if you are not
a pay to play person, can you do that? Can you?
And I don't want to put you on a spot
if you don't have the information, that's fine, But I'm
just curious in terms of language, the house settlement versus
(30:37):
the NCAA versus nil. It has to maintain being nil
specific or you're turning them into paid employees if it's
just the university paying them. So when we talk about
the rev share payment of the twenty million that's capped
to pay these teams and where that money comes from,
(31:00):
how it's given to the athletes, what is the difference
now with that house settlement between the money that is
given from the revenue sharing and the nil. So say
it's like the collectives that are paying them an X
amount of dollars for or they're getting nil deals, you know,
(31:20):
with different companies, whatever it may be. Is there a
distinct difference between that house settlement revenue and the nil
and how these these athletes are getting paid for nil deals.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
It depends on who you talk to. Certain schools say
it's not. Another school say it has to be. And
what you've seen is a lot of places and teams
and we're just talking about one of them, the most
prominent one. Now they have frontloaded their rosters and I
think you're seeing a lot of that go on where
teams are gonna have budgets of forty five and fifty
(31:56):
and fifty two and as high as fifty five million dollars.
Now you're telling me, all of a sudden, a year
from now, they're going to drop down less than half
of that. You know, we all know we worked around
sports and long enough, that's not the direction it ever
goes in. So and we also know that there's always
workarounds when it comes to college sports, whether it's a
(32:17):
bag man, whether it's a bag of McDonald's that's fulling cash.
The way that people have gained the system, why would
we think it's not going to happen with a lot
of these schools.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
And you forgot car in the parking lot at the airport,
you know.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Bruce from somebody for somebody that covers college football. I
was making the joke, and I was half kidding yesterday
that it just it was so much easier when this
stuff was illegal, because we could just focus on, all right,
who's got the top recruiting class? However they got it,
they got it, but you you had the usual suspects.
And now you've got schools like Texas Tech who all
of a sudden, like, oh wait a second, like we
could be a part of this dance as well too.
(32:56):
I just I don't know how it lands with you,
but it feels like there's a lot of unanswered questions
and I just don't know when we're going to get
to the end where this is what it is, these
are the parameters and let's just focus on college football
and college football alone again.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Yeah, and for me, I mean that's kind of where
I land on it. It's like, all right, show me
who's going to be on the field, and we're going
to well, like I, you know, I don't have a
dog in the fight, you know where I just want
to see you. I still love the games, but like
you know, right now, it's just I've been around long
enough to know that there's always workarounds and there's always
(33:36):
people who will work in the margins. And it's different
than the NFL, where you know, you get on as
draft picks or fine if you have too physical a
practice or whatever they you know. But at some point
I think college football will get to a you know,
collective bargaining, but they're not there right now. And right now,
(33:58):
I think it's still going to be the wow. Well,
even if they try to pretend it's not, this is
this is the reality, and this is how they operate, isn't.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
There isn't there a governing body? Just real quick that
they're they when they did the settlement that they get
to or like a clearinghouse that they make sure it's
kind of telling you right. They can kill a deal
and say you're not supposed to get that kid. The
value of what you're paying him does not match what
it is that the kid is doing. Where does where
(34:28):
does that fall in? Where is that used?
Speaker 6 (34:32):
I I We're going to see how that plays out,
because you also have to get the cooperation from all
these ni L agents to put them the paperwork. Are
they really going to all do that? What are they?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
You know?
Speaker 6 (34:43):
I just think there's a lot of things when it
comes to Deloitte, who's going to be the accounting from
that's going to be involved with this, and the mL
former MLB executive who's now you know, kind of the
top top of this. I believe it when I see it,
just because we've seen I'm talking to too many coaches
who are just kind of like rolled up their sleeves
and are like, oh, yeah, this is going to be
(35:03):
a mess because they know that's the you know, it's
not like the people involved they're not different. There's just
more middle men involved and there's just more more rules
to kind of navigate for circumvent if we want to
look at it.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Bruce Feldman, Fox College Football Reporter Part one, Bruce Analysts
Part one, Financial.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Guru, Now a lot of meat on it.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Also read his stuff on the Athletic Get him on
ex at Bruce Veldman CFB Live from Big twelve Media Days.
Bruce always appreciate it, man, thanks so much and hope
to do it again.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Appreciate you, buddy, Yes, sir, take care alrighty, there is
Bruce Flman with us here. So much to discuss. Man.
The rabbit hole is such a deep rabbit hole, man,
and it's dark. I'm telling you, it's a dark rabbit hole.
This is going to get I see it getting ugly
before it gets better. There's a whole lot to work
(36:02):
through with already pulling the trigger on allowing this this
type of funds to go out and and somebody who
brings them funds to the table. It's just it's so much,
so much to it, and I've been you know, I've
been immersed in this for since it's happened. Jonas like
I've I've been connected to it and in several different
(36:22):
manners and capacities, and it is so confusing. It's so
even having it organized and understood, it's still very confusing.
And if it's confusing to people who are really really
in it and learning it and using it, then you
(36:43):
got to believe that everybody else is in the same
in the same uh situation. You know, It's it's not
very easily to understand because there are a lot of
things that are not in place that need to be
in place. Structurally speaking, there is not an infrastruy structure
in place where the current state of college athletics can
(37:06):
thrive and be successful in something's going to happen. It's
like trying to run a website. A web page that
isn't programmed the right way, it's going to crash and
you're going to lose all of the data and everything
that's connected to it. That's kind of what the NCAA
or what college sports is on that that trajectory right now,
it's going to crash. It is the Herd.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox in
for Colin. Coming up next in the herdline News though
we've got a worst to first situation.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
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Speaker 4 (37:45):
Stretch marks. I was trying, what was that censor myself? There?
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Speaker 2 (38:31):
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Speaker 4 (38:37):
Rye music. Yeah, what's going on? LeVar?
Speaker 7 (38:40):
Was that that was self theory that song was Jonas's band, right,
good mom?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, yeah, I got, I got off the track. Yeah,
I got, I got off the tracks. I was I
was shooting it and I got caught off the tracks.
And both of you guys clearly seemed like you were more.
All three of you guys were mortified by mine, you know,
jumping on the beat like that. I'm so sorry. What
saw is that?
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Johnson?
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Oh my gosh, he said more stretch marks. My bad.
I'll just just quote and you know that was my
people from Goodie Mob. I did see that CD and
hot topic, dang.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
What's not a stretch is to say that the Raiders
have had their struggles over the years, Okay, only one
winning in the last eight years, but things are different
under new head coach Pete Carroll, their star pass rusher
Max Crosby saying those changes are already in place and
this is what Carroll has gotten accomplished in Vegas. Quote,
(39:42):
it's not fake energy, and it's not just him, it's
the assistant coaches, the whole building. It just feels different,
telling you, man.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
How can you say it fake? You tried to be
when you've been in BS for so long, you lose
sight of what you and what's fake. I gotta see
it first. Every year I thought it was real in
Washington here, every year it was real. This is the
year new head coach coaches feel good, new coach staff
(40:14):
next year. This feels good. I feel great about it.
We're gonna make a run, new coaching staff next year.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Now, man, I'm just saying the Raiders, I said yesterday,
are gonna be the most feel good last place team.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
That pule pump that pole, humps I won't that pole
right there? You see that one right there in front
of us. Now ten good ones on that itch. The
Raiders don't make the play. You're gonna try to hump
a pole. You gotta make it. You gotta make it
sway now that one right there. Then, then don't don't
say you believe it.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I believe they're the most hopeful last place team in
the NFL. They're gonna feel of all the last place
teams in the NFL next year, the Raiders are gonna
feel the best about them.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
So that's more breaking news than what was just stated
about Max Crosby. How this I am? That's breaking news?
What's your prom Max Crosby and PK. I love Max Crosby,
I just don't love this greater situation. I don't love
Max Crosby in the situation that he's as damn. I'm
just saying, I gotta wait and see it, try my best.
(41:17):
It feels different, all right, Let's go to break that
feels good.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
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